general gaming

[fresh bane]

however, starting to report on the leaks of TOTK was a shitty and super petty pathetic move

[unreal idol]

So this is no big loss

[thorny loom]

Also this

[dire gate]

Trusting Kotaku vs Trusting IGN

[fresh bane]

if you wanna actually highlight a stupid dumb kotaku article here you go
https://twitter.com/Kotaku/status/1653434539857833987

Kotaku (@Kotaku)

The Advance Wars Remake is tactically satisfying but narratively toothless: https://t.co/d8Y2JpOLn3

Twitter · May 2, 2023, 4:21 PM

didn't even finish the game

[wind stump]

they have the airport line

[thorny loom]

There was also that time with metroid dread

[wind stump]

11/10 remaster

[river veldt]

i want a grim reminder of the horrors of war in my cartoony Nintendo game

[dire gate]

CuPhEaD iS tOo HaRd!!!1!1!!111!!

[thorny loom]

https://kotaku.com/metroid-dread-is-already-running-great-on-switch-emulat-1847833403

[gaunt marten]

Isn't the remake basically the same games?

[river veldt]

yes lol

[unreal idol]

ugh, trying to experiment with mupen64 and i can't even figure out how to get it running

[fresh bane]

Reporting on games being emulated isn't a bad thing

emulation isn't bad

Nintendo are just crybabies

[thorny loom]

I use project 64 since its simpler pk

[random steppe]

Again, how dare they report the news, that could offend Nintendo, you have to bow graciously to the mega corporation

[unreal idol]

Project 64 is ass for Stadium though

[river veldt]

what is Mupen64

[fresh bane]

And it was pretty impressive that Dread was already being emulated extremely well so close to the launch date

[thorny loom]

Ikr

[random steppe]

That said

[thorny loom]

Another 64 emulator

[river veldt]

oh ok

[random steppe]

It was prevedibile they would get mad

[unreal idol]

Honestly Project 64 is kind of ass in general

[fresh bane]

If anything Kotaku should've been more careful and take into consideration Nintendo's fragile ego

but they didn't necessarily do anything wrong

[river veldt]

N64 emulation is hard

[fresh bane]

N64 emulation is extremely behind

[sour hill]

Yeah me too /hj

[fresh bane]

It's the messiest one by far

[unreal idol]

Yes I know

[thorny loom]

Yeah. Its just more amusing with how many times kotaku has covered emulation and nintendo games for it that it didnt happen sooner

[unreal idol]

It's a shame beause GCN emulation is like perfect

[dire gate]

Even Nintendo don’t know how to emulate n64 correctly /s

[unreal idol]

But N64 emulation is like a barfy hot mess

[thorny loom]

And then they act surprised when it does happen or when they report on TOTK leaks

[river veldt]

why the /s it's true

[unreal idol]

Not all of their N64 emulation is ass

[fresh bane]

If there's any front where Nintendo had a chance of getting ahead of fan emulators it was the N64 but that ship has kind of sailed already

[unreal idol]

Their VC releases on the Wii were solid and didn't have much issues

[wind stump]

there's no /s here

[river veldt]

it's pretty good on Switch but i remember being so disappointed playing SM64 on my WiiU

[wind stump]

[dire gate]

Sarcasm because we won’t even expect Nintendo to be best at emulating

[unreal idol]

And they've fixed a lot of problems with NSO+

[river veldt]

yeah

it's good on Switch from what i've played

[thorny loom]

Yeah. OoT on switch had a lot of issues before they patched the emulator

[wind stump]

OoT ran well on Gamecube but MM... Had some sound issues

[thorny loom]

Yeah MM had issues

[unreal idol]

Guess I'm sticking with Project 64

[thorny loom]

Its better to run that on 64 emulator

[unreal idol]

It might be ass but at least I can get it to run

[river veldt]

ass

[sour hill]

Project 64 is goated; I was playing Mario 64 on the family computer running win xp

[thorny loom]

@random steppe btw thanks.

[unreal idol]

I can't ever get SM64 to look perfect on it

There's always something minor wrong with it, usually in the UI

[thorny loom]

That thing you voted in will be announced on friday who won

[river veldt]

i bet Project 64 is what all those people who made SM64 bloopers back in 2012 used

[mossy flume]

Also the part where they were aggressively suggesting you should play Metroid Dread on an emulator instead of buying it before getting called out on it and changing the article.

[thorny loom]

Yeah

[unreal idol]

Kotaku in general is kind of a shit site

[gaunt marten]

Yes

[unreal idol]

Then again US game journalism is kind of a giant joke

"""""""journalism"""""""

[gaunt marten]

I like that one guy

[thorny loom]

Im liking gameradar more

[wind stump]

Thank God for James Stephanie Sterling

[thorny loom]

Jims okay

[unreal idol]

James Stephanie Sterling is great

I like how they make transphobes angry simply by exisiting

[gaunt marten]

Jason Schrier, I think?

[river veldt]

i dont really listen to any games journalists

[thorny loom]

I just wish he talk about more positive news sometimes

[dire gate]

Oh

[gaunt marten]

He's a journalist but I mostly listen to his opinion podcasts

[dire gate]

Overcast or smth like that

[young creek]

Not even Videogamedunkey?

[visual hill]

I wouldn't say it's very behind, it's not even nearly as fragmented as it used to be

[unreal idol]

Yeah it's been a while since I have watched their content, it can be kind of much at times

[visual hill]

in fact, big advances were made in the last 5 years, LLE is now viable on fast enough PCs

[river veldt]

dunkey being the only exception

[unreal idol]

I dunno, I'd say it's pretty far behind still

[gaunt marten]

Dunkey is not a journalist. He's an entertainer

[visual hill]

and Ares is pushing for previously unseen levels of accuracy (if you want that)

[slim thorn]

I haven't looked at any "games journalism" in a long time since none of it is useful to me

[wind stump]

I bought Vampire Survivors purely because they worked on it giving the game flavour text

[unreal idol]

Stadium and Stadium 2 have horrendous graphic problems

[wind stump]

and yeah best choice i ever made

Vampire Survivors is Cocaine

inject it in my fuckin' VEINS BABY

[visual hill]

daily reminder that the definitive way to play the OG GoldenEye/Perfect Dark is using an extremely inaccurate emulator 🙂

(1964GEPD, which is based on a 1964 version from 2002 – an emulator whose last release was in 2009)

[sour hill]

Always a plus

[gaunt marten]

Why?

[thorny loom]

Fun fact. Those graphics are reused on pokemon colosseum and XD

Its really noticeable if you compare them to the gen 3 models

[unreal idol]

And PBR

[river veldt]

RAWR XD

[unreal idol]

Hell I think some Stadium models are still used as bases to this day

[sour hill]

Pabst Blue Ribbon!

[river veldt]

why is Gane Freka lole thsisozn

sorry

why is Game Freak like this

[dire gate]

Because they are Game Freak

[unreal idol]

It's because they've been cornered into a merchandise engine

[river veldt]

i want them to make good games tho

[unreal idol]

If the games are delayed to not be dog shit, then that delays the anime, the card games, plushies, spinoff titles, etc etc

[river veldt]

have the patches made Scarlet and Violet more playable

have there been any patches???

[unreal idol]

Dunno. I got Violet for Christmas and havent touched it

[mossy flume]

Unfortunately, calling Kotaku bad is itself an extremely R2 dogwhistle

[river veldt]

yeah...

[unreal idol]

Why is that?

[mossy flume]

Gamergate

[unreal idol]

I thought this was just like, common knowledge that Kotaku was the punching bag of the Internet

Oh, this goes beyond that

[sour hill]

Gamers™️

[mossy flume]

That actually largely stems from Gamergate

[unreal idol]

Although I honestly don't even really know what Gamergate is, I avoided that mess when it was happening

I just know them for their shit articles and poor journalism

[thorny loom]

Its like 10 years old at this point pk yeah

[unreal idol]

To me they will always be Shitaku

lol

[river veldt]

Gamergate was 2015-2016 ish

[visual hill]

I only browse PC Gamer actively, and TechPowerUp sometimes posts gaming news now I guess

[slim thorn]

huh, I've read/watched a bunch on Gamergate and don't recall it being focused on Kotaku (though they did come up)

[thorny loom]

Weird. I thought it 2013

[mossy flume]

Unfortunately it is still relevant to this day

[sour hill]

I thought it was earlier too...

[thorny loom]

I only heard about it like in 2017-2018

[unreal idol]

I had way more important things in my life at the time than dumb video game drama

[mossy flume]

And yes it was earlier

[thorny loom]

Also this

[unreal idol]

Hell that's still the case now

[mossy flume]

Started around 2012 or so

[sour hill]

I was in middle school!

[rose rose]

/r/KotakuInAction was a gamergate hub

[mossy flume]

And you can draw a direct line from that to much of the current state of modern discourse

[rose rose]

So there was definitely a relationship there

[thorny loom]

Flitter you might like this

https://www.gamesradar.com/18-great-deals-in-the-steam-golden-week-sale-and-only-most-of-them-are-jrpgs/

[slim thorn]

anyway, if anyone wants to know wtf Gamergate was I can link some video essays, but for rule 2 we should probably move on from that

[unreal idol]

I still dont even know what it was aboud

[mossy flume]

But discussing that here is impossible

[unreal idol]

And since it was so long ago it's hard to care

Especially rfor something as dumb as video game bullshit lol

[mossy flume]

It can’t be explained here

[rose rose]

If the consequences did not ring through to this day it would be easier to not care

[mossy flume]

But it’s still relevant today.

[river veldt]

gamers are very oppressed /j

[unreal idol]

This is the first I've seen Gamergate mentioned in literally years so

[thorny loom]

Meanwhile i need to get eye bleach

[unreal idol]

Time to play Pokemon

[mossy flume]

Today it evolved into a different thing from the same roots and operates in a broader scope under a different name

But again, can’t be explained here

[river veldt]

look at this cool official Zelda art from the early 90s

[gaunt marten]

#travle #141 (9/11)
✅✅✅🟧🟧🟧✅✅✅
https://imois.in/games/travle
This one's a bit harder. Just don't be like me and ||assume they'll give Palestine all their old land.||

(The game refreshes on local time midnight)

[river veldt]

i want that twink obliterated
-Ganondorf probably

[thorny loom]

I remember when ganon was a pig

And not swole

[river veldt]

he was a pig in the most recent game

er

more of a boar i guess

[thorny loom]

https://www.pcgamer.com/microsoft-promises-tons-of-gameplay-in-june-11-starfield-deep-dive/

[mossy flume]

About time

[river veldt]

oink

[fresh bane]

Ganon has never not been a pig

[thorny loom]

Reminds me gojira bowser

[fresh bane]

Ganondorf is the Gerudo one

[river veldt]

yes

[river veldt]

i think the only game Ganondorf didn't turn into Ganon was Wind Waker

[thorny loom]

I recognize that bottom one from smash

[river veldt]

and maybe possibly TotK idk if he'll turn into Dark Beast Ganon considering we had that in BotW

[thorny loom]

Inb4 ganon turns into bowser

[river veldt]

why would that happen?

[thorny loom]

They could make it like an eater egg or something youd have to do extra just for fun

Kotor 1 had a funny easter egg where you could instantly beat the last boss by turing him into a dancer

[sour hill]

Because it happens in my fanfiction that I sent to Nintendo

[river veldt]

that reminds me of that secret Far Cry 4 ending

have you see that Kratta

and Agent

[sour hill]

Lol yes

[thorny loom]

Yeah.

[river veldt]

it would have been cool if instead of ending right there you could team up with Pagan Min and do an alternate path or something

[thorny loom]

Thats been a trend in ubisoft far crys since that ending

5 has a similar thing and 6 you can beat the game if you just leave the country at the beginning for miami

[sour hill]

Damn, why does every subsequent far cry installment have to be a superset of the previous?

[thorny loom]

Because ubisoft rarely inovates

[slim thorn]

RADIO TOWERS

[thorny loom]

They jokes about that in far cry 5 funnily enough

They only make you do it once

[sour hill]

That's actually funny

[river veldt]

is Far Cry 5 the cult one

[thorny loom]

Yes

[dapper cedar]

Fking WHAT

[river veldt]

that one seemed cool i like the setting

[thorny loom]

Its also the one I recommend people play besides 3

[river veldt]

the thing about Far Cry games is that they always have an awesome antagonist

like Vaas or Joseph Seed

[thorny loom]

@dapper cedar https://youtu.be/IH2tTsqL_f4

[sour hill]

It definitely had potential

[river veldt]

the funny thing is is that iirc Vaas isn't even the main antagonist of Far Cry 3

[thorny loom]

You had to inout a specific button combo on the controller for it to happen

He is for the first half

Then someone else the second

[sour hill]

I played so much far cry 3 when it came out, lol

[dapper cedar]

Oh I haven’t even seen the ending yet
but i guess I’ve seen the true ending now after this

[river veldt]

did you like it

[sour hill]

Yep

[dapper cedar]

Oh I need to know if it’s possible in the Switch version

[sour hill]

I built my computer so I could play that, csgo, and borderlands 2, basically

[river veldt]

did you like csgo

doesn't Borderlands have a pony reference

[sour hill]

Yeah I was pretty into it for a long time

[sour hill]

No idea, but that wouldn't surprise me too much

[river veldt]

do you still play csgo

[sour hill]

No

[river veldt]

were you ever called a slur

[sour hill]

Yeah

[river veldt]

sorry that's a weird question

NOOO

:(

csgo is like synonymous with people being mean in my mind

[sour hill]

Online shooters b like that sometimes

[river veldt]

i feel like if i ever tried csgo i would get into a lobby, immediately be called a rude word and then break down sobbing

[sour hill]

Also league, but I don't play league

[river veldt]

League of Legends is a wasteland of broken dreams

[sour hill]

So true

[sour hill]

CS has the potential to be extremely fun, but you kinda have to build a network of friends who play regularly to get there

[river veldt]

i see

[mossy flume]

Sounds like a ton of effort

[sour hill]

Yep

If you want to play a team game seriously, you kinda need a team

[random steppe]

So new Steam client dropped for me and promptly exploded at my first boot up

never change

Luckily a restart fixed it

Also speaking of clients, I'm relatively positive about EGS, for sure more than the average person, but I must say, somehow the client became so much worse in the course of a year, it's genuinely impressive.

It must be 3 times heavier than on launch, and somehow not have any more features

[thorny loom]

[mossy flume]

What’s EGS?

[light gate]

Epic Games Store

[random steppe]

Epic Game Store

[rose rose]

Steam has recently acquired this cool new bug where sometimes it decides to render only a tiny rectangle at the top left and the rest of the window is blank

It does this across all my computers

Very exciting

[random steppe]

I'm positive because I'm all for disrupting steam and giving away free games is a pretty good way to do it, but holy hell what an incredible piece of software that client is

[mossy flume]

Ah. It’s called Epic Games Launcher, so EGL would parse better. The S was parsing as “Services” in my head

Anyway that’s just me…

[random steppe]

And incredible in the negative sense

[mossy flume]

What’s interesting is that this isn’t the first time they’ve done this. I had that bug happen some years ago.

[sour hill]

Can't beat free

[rose rose]

It’s Steam, you should just assume weird bugs

[light gate]

Well, Steam is gonna get heavier soon. They're dropping their VGUI in favor of the web stuff. Which is probably gonna make it run like a canoe running against the river flow.

[rose rose]

The thing where sometimes it disregards mouse input is also back

[mossy flume]

I wish I could kill the friends panel forever in Steam because it will become a solid black square on the top left of my macOS devices above all other windows even when it’s not actually open and will not go away until Steam is hard-terminated

And I never use that feature anyway

[light gate]

Use the beta client

it somewhat mitigates the black void that you get on the library

'somewhat' is a keyword

You can see the black line lurking there, but its not as hostile as the huge bar in the 'stable' client.

[mossy flume]

That bug has persisted for years though

WHY DOES SHUTTING DOWN STEAM NOW TAKE MORE THAN ZERO SECONDS?!

It didn’t used to do this!!!!

Absolutely GIGAFUCK Valve for their shitty engineering

[light gate]

hey HEY

Its your fault for using Apple /s

[mossy flume]

No, this is both macOS and Windows

[light gate]

Yeah, Steam has been declining.

[mossy flume]

Shutting down the client on Windows also takes about 3-6 seconds

It used to be instant

[light gate]

GOG Client is ever worse now too.

Its gotten REALLY BAD

[mossy flume]

It’s like Valve is exclusively staffed by CS interns

And anyone competent just immediately leaves

[light gate]

Hold on, let me reupload the photo to show something in ADDITION.

Because this takes the cake.

[gaunt marten]

Oh yeah, the new Steam Beta breaks very badly for me (probably because of my integrated GPU)

[mossy flume]

I forgot they even had one

[sour hill]

I'm using the normal client and mine looks just like that

[light gate]

Mac doesn't even have the new big picture mode.

[mossy flume]

….what.

[light gate]

Try it now.

[mossy flume]

It hasn’t been using hardware acceleration THIS ENGIRE TIME DESPITE THERE BEING A SETTING FOR IT?!?!?!?!?

[light gate]

Yup

That is a fake setting apparently.

[mossy flume]

Valve is genuinely the most incompetent software company

Not to mention fucking lazy as hell

[light gate]

Be glad that the Steam Deck has support to begin with.

[mossy flume]

It’s genuinely mind-breakingly incomprehensible that they’re not widely hated by everyone

I have never understood the blind cult-like love for them despite their idiocy and monopoly

And the fact that they just don’t provide any value

[thorny loom]

Because valve was the first to push online launcher drm

But also make it the less intrusive somehow

[mossy flume]

Being the first doesn’t mean anything if your product is terrible

[light gate]

I know you hate them right now for all this, but let me tell you something...

GOG Galaxy is downright broken on macOS, and there is still no Linux client even though its a free-drm site. Which ironically enough Galaxy acts as a DRM by itself if it can't connect to the servers.

[mossy flume]

Being good is what matters

[thorny loom]

I only use gog for games not sold on steam

[light gate]

If you try to launch Galaxy without connectivity, you can not uninstall anything or play.

[mossy flume]

But somehow the cult has managed to brainwash itself into being actively hostile to improvements or alternatives, again for unthinkable reasons

[thorny loom]

Or if the version is better optimized such as kotor

Ironically this is more effort to improve by valve than most of 2010s

[mossy flume]

I wish someone would buy Valve and actually give them a management structure and a fucking purpose

They’ve been wholly aimless since they launched their store

[thorny loom]

That wont happen due to antitrust issues

[mossy flume]

Instead they’re a brain parasite

[thorny loom]

If microsoft cant get activision they definitely arnt going to get valve

[gaunt marten]

https://zirconstudios.bandcamp.com/track/the-path-to-mastery-job-trials This song is so good

[thorny loom]

Nice flitter

[mossy flume]

Sometimes I wonder if they keep their standards low intentionally just in case they need to ramp up upon the threat of a potential competitor

[thorny loom]

The problem is. They’ve had potential competitors

[mossy flume]

Yeah and the mob screamed them down

[mossy flume]

They said fuck the game devs and fuck the consumer, we want Valve

[light gate]

This looks okay, but why is there like a huge gap?

[thorny loom]

Because deviant

[mossy flume]

Maybe they left space for a QR code?

But still that’s excessive

[thorny loom]

It just works

[light gate]

They do 2fa emails

[thorny loom]

[mossy flume]

WHY.

FUCKING WHY

HOW IS EVERY GAMING COMPANY THIS BAD

[thorny loom]

see above ma

[light gate]

Also drops two login items.

well, three.

[thorny loom]

origin

[mossy flume]

Three?

[light gate]

OH ORIGIN IS BROKEN

QT rendering engine crashes

[mossy flume]

EA has not released their new client for macOS yet

[light gate]

and causes a memory leak

OH BOY

[mossy flume]

Origin stays

[thorny loom]

Oh okay

[light gate]

I NEED TO SHOW THIS

[mossy flume]

I guess all the competent people go to FAANG companies

[thorny loom]

Also with valve. Most of the teams just focuses on keeping steam up nowadays

Counter strike 2 is probably the biggest effort to modernize something since alyx

[light gate]

GOG drops three binaries that show on launchpad, two of them are system related. They use a python script to update their entire software.

[mossy flume]

It doesn’t help that being a software engineer for a game studio or gaming company will see you making 30-70% less than if you were in an equivalent position at a FAANG company

[thorny loom]

Oh man ma

We reached peak microtransactions

https://www.pcgamer.com/activision-will-let-you-pay-to-make-your-call-of-duty-guns-sound-like-2009/

Paying to change audio files

[mossy flume]

[dire gate]

“Microsoft is not buying us, we should make our own money” /j

[light gate]

Welcome friends, Welcome to Origin Hell.

[random steppe]

Isn't origin dead, at long last?

[light gate]

macOS users have to use Origin to access their games.

[random steppe]

Oh my god

It lives

[dire gate]

Another reason to use Windows

[random steppe]

Honestly the best reason I've heard so far

[mossy flume]

Heh

[light gate]

This is fucking EA's fault, but whatever.

[mossy flume]

It is rather compelling

Yeah, but if it means we don’t have to use Origin…

[light gate]

The most puzzling part yet? The Sims 4 runs on M1 now.

Try fucking explaining to someone that they need to use Origin, an Intel app to run an M1 game.

[gaunt marten]

Does that mean there's no way to run the M1 version of the Sims?

[light gate]

There is, its CALLED STEAM!

[gaunt marten]

Oh

[dire gate]

Steamed Sims

...wait that sounds horrible

[mossy flume]

They never updated Origin to give the M1 version, did they…

[light gate]

what the gog doing?

[mossy flume]

So if you have all your expansions through Origin/EA and not Steam, you’re fucked?

Because they didn’t actually list Sims 4 on Steam until last year or 2021

Steam also doesn’t have an M1 client, by the way

It relies on Rosetta 2 too

[light gate]

Of course! Why spend money on a platform that has a walled garden if you can spend that money on another operating system that is trying really hard not to look like a walled garden?

I mean cmon.

Soon it'll all be on the Microsoft Store.

Conspiracy aside, let me nuke Origin from my Mac because its still memory leaking.

[thorny loom]

Pfff

Meanwhile me using gamepass and can access all ea stuff through xbox app

[mossy flume]

I mean does Origin dispense the M1 version of the Sims 4?

Or is that Steam exclusive?

[light gate]

I assume they do.

[mossy flume]

Hm, I’ll have to check then

[light gate]

IF they don't, then they ripped off all their customers.

[mossy flume]

That’s my concern, yeah.

I have a lot of the Sims 4 expansions through EA.

[light gate]

oh boy

[mossy flume]

Yeah the base game is F2P now

[light gate]

No, look to the right.

[mossy flume]

Ahh

[light gate]

Where da apple?

[mossy flume]

Yeah

Right

They excluded that

Forgot about that

So it’s Origin only

Plot twist!

[light gate]

Its Origin only and Origin doesn't work on my machine!

AMAZING!

[dire gate]

Tbf there are some steam games that run on mac without noting so

[light gate]

That really shouldn't be an excuse though.

That's just lazyness.

Consistency! Windows 10 logo on the Steam client, vs Windows 11 logo on the Steam store page.

Meh, I'm nitpicking now.

[unreal idol]

I'm glad others have problems with steam

It's validating, because when I complain about Steam it's always met with Bizarre cult like praise and dismissal of my issues

[gaunt marten]

It's important to advocate for DRM-Free games so nobody has to suffer from launcher problems

[thorny loom]

Sims 4 is like $600 with all the dlc

[light gate]

I've seen this happened to me as well.

There is some sort of effect.

[rose rose]

The Steam cult is very real

[thorny loom]

Correction

[unreal idol]

They're as bad as certain Nintendo fans

[thorny loom]

1054 dollars and 35 cents

[light gate]

It'll never be as good as the Sims 3.

[thorny loom]

Thats a house payment

[rose rose]

Gotta ensure your favourite multi-billion dollar company maintains their monopoly on PC video game distribution

[thorny loom]

Not a dlc cost

[gaunt marten]

I like the Sims 3 a lot, but the Sims 4 is better than it in a lot of aspects

[light gate]

Everyone just wants a monopoly.

[unreal idol]

In general I tend to always have problems with Steam

[gaunt marten]

Primarily performance and focus

[unreal idol]

So I avoid using it whenever I can

[light gate]

I mean, most of us played the damned board game. It's encouraged to have monopolies.

[gaunt marten]

Wasn't the monopoly board game designed to discourage monopolies?

[rose rose]

Yes

[light gate]

It has totally backfired if you ask me.

Because that's all we've seen so far.

[gaunt marten]

Well people don't use the original rules

[light gate]

That's so true.

[rose rose]

But the thing about having a monopoly in monopoly is that you destroy everyone else

[gaunt marten]

The original rules are designed to make the game short and allow one player to snowball very quickly

[rose rose]

I feel like the message is still quite clear

[gaunt marten]

Stuff like putting a property on auction when you can't afford to buy it

[unreal idol]

I honestly don't think I've ever played a proper game of Monopoly before

[gaunt marten]

I played digital monopoly and that used the actual rules, but it's not as fun without family

[light gate]

The rules we had is that if someone bankrupted, we just filed them a 'Chapter 11' but I shouldn't go that far lol.

[unreal idol]

Never been a board game person

[rose rose]

Wouldn’t that make the game last literally forever

[light gate]

They could only do it once.

So it was like one extra life.

It for sure as hell made it twice as longer.

[rose rose]

What monopoly needs: to be even longer

[light gate]

BASICALLY

[thorny loom]

New rule in monopoly

[light gate]

I mean when you are kids, you aren't really thinking of playing the game to understand concepts. You're playing to win.

[thorny loom]

You buy the federal reserve and then print your money

[rose rose]

If I’m playing to win I’m not forgiving the debts of my competitors

[light gate]

Well how will Johnny Test stop whining about losing too early?

Then again, we didn't have internet back then.

[mossy flume]

Have you tried rerunning the installer?

[light gate]

Yep.

I even used AppCleaner

Also, I found this amazing article from the hard-drive... but I'm debating if I should put it on science & tech or here.

Ehh, I think this is more of a general gaming thing. On a second thought, it does have obscure references so it goes to the nerds. :v

[mossy flume]

I do love that everyone ignores the proper rules which causes this to happen

And further, miss the point of the game

[gaunt marten]

https://i.imgur.com/o6hkiDA.png

https://twitter.com/VGAR_SA/status/1653711143528181760

التصنيف العمري للألعاب الإلكترونية (@VGAR_SA)

لمحبي لعبة #FinalFantasyXIV، نود التوضيح بأنها لم تفسح بالمملكة، وذلك بسبب عدم رغبة الناشر بإجراء التعديلات اللازمة.

الهيئة العامة للإعلام #المرئي_والمسموع
#تصنيف_الألعاب

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I didn't even know we had a rating authority

And they're banning FFXVI?

[random steppe]

One hell of a way to learn about your rating authority existence

[mossy flume]

Yikes.

Banning FF is such a strange move.

[green fulcrum]

I'm guessing it has certain implications regarding Islam or a similar representation of it within the game (religion and the deconstruction/criticism of it is no stranger to FF games). That's usually the main reason why a game would be banned in an Arabic country.

[gaunt marten]

Does the game actually do that? That'd make sense

[fresh bane]

aren't a lot of the summons named after actual deities?

It's been a thing in FF for a while

[gaunt marten]

Yes but the other games that have Shiva and Ifrit and such are not banned

[green fulcrum]

Yeah, Final Fantasy has always had you fighting some kind of deity that's based off of real-world deities, as well as criticizing organized religion and the concept of gods as a whole.

[gaunt marten]

(15 and 16 are though)

[river veldt]

Shiva and Ifrit are Islam?

[mossy flume]

At the moment we don't know why they banned this particular entry.

[fresh bane]

Shiva is Hinduism

[gaunt marten]

No, Shiva is a shaivist one and Ifrit is just an Arabic word for an evil djinn

[river veldt]

o

sorry

[gaunt marten]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ifrit?wprov=sfla1

[river veldt]

he looks scary

[green fulcrum]

Final Fantasy Tactics was actually notorious in some areas for it. Christian/Catholic parents especially disliked it at the time because it deconstructed the Christian faith.

[fresh bane]

Let's be honest when aren't Christian/Catholic parents upset about something?

[green fulcrum]

Fair.

[river veldt]

i think uh

[green fulcrum]

My mom hated Pokemon because she thought they were demons. No joke.

[river veldt]

Ocarina of Time's fire temple had an Islamic prayer/chant or something and then they patched it out in the next issue of cartridges

[fresh bane]

That was all of México during the Pokémon boom

[gaunt marten]

Oh yeah, playground rumor when I was little was that Pokémon was a Zionist conspiracy

It's not unique

[gaunt marten]

Yeah

[river veldt]

yes i also heard the Pokémon is demonic thing

[rose rose]

My parents disliked Pokémon due to ethical concerns around capturing and battling creatures.

[green fulcrum]

And the family friend who lived with my parents (but is thankfully moving out now) absolutely HATES MLP, saying that it taught kids witchcraft and that it brainwashed them into being godless little imps.

[fresh bane]

That's a bit more reasonable

[gaunt marten]

Your parents were PETA?

[rose rose]

They liked that it made me think about strategy though

[river veldt]

i think it was just because Pokémon was popular

[green fulcrum]

I mean, this is actually a somewhat understandable criticism, in their defense, lol.

[rose rose]

I feel like there is some daylight between “PETA” and “animal fighting is morally dubious”

[mossy flume]

I ran into a bunch of people who were angry about Pokémon when growing up because it was somehow considered demonic witchcraft.

Pokémon cards were actually explicitly banned in Christian schools in Texas because of this

[rose rose]

I agree with my parents, as it happens.

[river veldt]

JRR Tolkien's writings are demonic we must burn them

[mossy flume]

Having one could've gotten you expelled.

[green fulcrum]

Everything is demonic witchcraft at this point. Even science and technology.

[rose rose]

Not that they ever stopped me playing Pokémon

[gaunt marten]

True but PETA is the primary group to complain about Pokémon specifically

[rose rose]

I guess that makes sense but I have never heard of it

[fresh bane]

''oh this looks cool, what's it about?''
''you stuff these cool animals into miniature balls and force them to battle to the death with other animals! ''
'' ''

[mossy flume]

Similar hysteria when the Harry Potter books became popular. Misguided moral panic and resulted in them getting banned or somesuch.

But I didn't once hear any concerns about the glorification of capturing and battling animals until the 2010s.

[rose rose]

In fairness Harry Potter undeniably involved a lot of witchcraft

[green fulcrum]

"They have magic in them, and magic is against God, and therefore Lord of the Rings is demonic and must be purged from this world!" --- said all the pearl-clutchers

Never mind that much of the magic being used by Gandalf in the books and the movie is given to him by what is essentially Middle-Earth's version of God, which by all definitions makes it pure and holy. :P

[mossy flume]

Yeah, but it wasn't teaching you witchcraft, as many claimed.

[fresh bane]

wasn't it?

[mossy flume]

And thus why the moral panic was a thing

[fresh bane]

there are a lot of classes involved throughout all of Harry Potter...

it's not real magic but it's still kinda teaching you, or at least teaching Harry about it

[rancid herald]

idk what you guys are complaining about. THey're doing you a favor. FF15 was the final fantasy

it's over, they've finally found the last one

[green fulcrum]

Again:

And the family friend who lived with my parents (but is thankfully moving out now) absolutely HATES MLP, saying that it taught kids witchcraft and that it brainwashed them into being godless little imps.

I have watched MLP many times. Never once did it teach any kids how to do spells.

[mossy flume]

It's not teaching you, the reader, how to cast nonexistent magic necessary to summon the Christian devil.

[dire gate]

Final Final Fantasy

[rose rose]

My parents definitely had this concern in the nineties

Though I’m pretty sure they derived it themselves

[mossy flume]

Yep. Same mindless hysteria.

[rancid herald]

I think there was a thing about that when pokemon first became popular

[rose rose]

They are not generally much for the Hysteria News. And also are not in America.

[rancid herald]

briefly

[dire gate]

Are you saying that I can't kill people by shouting Avada Kedavra?

[mossy flume]

Yep. See #1032716748887179434 message

[green fulcrum]

Oh yeah, the Satanic Panic is making a return for D&D too.

Reminder: demons and devils are enemies in D&D, and the game explicitly tells you that they are nobody's friends except cultists', and that they should be slain on sight.

[mossy flume]

I had a friend who was collecting the gen 1 cards, then his aunt found them, freaked out and shredded them all.

[rancid herald]

well to be fair, there was a pokemon with spoons, the most satanic of food eaty sticks

[mossy flume]

But they were fine with him playing Yu-Gi-Oh

[rancid herald]

Yu-gi-oh was in the bible so that's cool

[dire gate]

Well American YGO is like ultra censored but still

[mossy flume]

He's the friend I played YGO against a bunch

[dire gate]

[mossy flume]

The cards are still very much the sort of content you would expect to trigger them, censored or not

[rancid herald]

who can remember the classic book of the bible, Yugi 3:14 where Jesus battles satan with his sick deck

[river veldt]

in Beyblade Moses parted the Red Sea with a Beyblade

[mossy flume]

Then sent him to the Shadow Realm

[dire gate]

Jesus "My dad's deck has no uselss cards!"

[rancid herald]

"You fool," Jesus said, "I am without sin! you've just activated my trap card!!!!!"

[green fulcrum]

"You fool!" Satan cried back. "I have 70 alternative accounts!"

[fresh bane]

''You fool'' said Jesus ''unlike you I've accepted the love of God in my life''
Jesus then proceeded to blast Yami into the shadow realm with the unyielding power of Exodia

[dire gate]

Jesus activated IP Ban!

[fresh bane]

that'll teach him to have that ridiculous hairstyle

[rancid herald]

long haired freaky people need not apply

[mossy flume]

And on the 7th day, Jesus brought the gift of the raddest hair gel.

[thorny loom]

Hes just mad harambe wasnt added a companion npc

[green fulcrum]

This conversation is so blasphemous and I'm loving every bit of it.

[thorny loom]

Lol regi got a leaker banned

https://twitter.com/reggie/status/1653855191093878785?s=46&t=bVzXPIZvXYyJJoEkCfgMsQ

Reggie Fils-Aimé (@Reggie)

Visual of original tweet.

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[green fulcrum]

[fresh bane]

that is an actual picture he tweeted too

[light gate]

yikes

[fresh bane]

literally disintegrated him from existence

that's how powerful Reggie is

[dire gate]

And Reggie doesn't even work in Nintendo anymore

[mossy flume]

He has nonetheless embraced the fact that he's a living meme and he has done it so well

[light gate]

I guess because of the quote tweet, that guy deleted their account.

[fresh bane]

when fucking Reggie QRT's you you know it's over

you have to delete your entire existence, buy a new identity

[mossy flume]

They will find you.

[fresh bane]

they're going to find you

[light gate]

Ehh, I don't find that funny. Didn't seem like they posted that directly to Nintendo it seems, so its probably just Reggie stumbling upon it because of the algorithm, causing this to occur in the process.

Also, I've been spoiled already with the replies on Reggie's tweet.

So that's cool.

[mossy flume]

Yeah, that would be rather inevitable, unfortunately. Recall that the ROM leaked two days ago. And given it's a high profile game, people will maliciously post spoilers everywhere they can for the sole purpose of pissing people off.

[light gate]

Yep.

And honestly, the guy just took a photo of the game's icon.

Basically not even a spoiler.

[mossy flume]

Yep

[light gate]

Regardless, I'm sure the game will sell a lot... even with leaks.

[mossy flume]

Verily.

[river veldt]

someone tagged like, every Nintendo person they could in the replies

real snitch behavior :(

[mossy flume]

Or maybe that's just their way of bragging to them that it leaked.

Some people do that too.

"haha we got it for free before the release date fuck you"

But yeah, it'll sell about as well as BotW I'd wager.

If not better than BotW if they make it a launch title for the Switch successor with enhancements.

(If they don't do that then what is Nintendo even doing???)

[light gate]

I have a Switch and I have yet to play BoTW.

[mossy flume]

That seems like a mistake.

'tis quite good

[light gate]

It's still sixty bucks.

[mossy flume]

You're assuming it'll ever get cut. It's a Nintendo game. It won't.

[light gate]

That is not even including the dlc.

I know... that was my mistake.

[rose rose]

Games do not actually become worth less over time

[mossy flume]

If you want it cheaper, get it used from GameStop.

[river veldt]

BotW aka the best game ever made

[light gate]

I don't even trust used copies by the mere fact Nintendo can flag copies that were used on a modded Switch.

[mossy flume]

Ah, that's true.

That is indeed poor advice.

[light gate]

I don't know how they do it but its a huge risk.

[river veldt]

welp im never buying a used Switch game

[light gate]

Right?

[mossy flume]

Each cartridge does have it's own unique ID

[river veldt]

i buy all my games digitally anyway

[mossy flume]

And those IDs do get tied to your Nintendo account

[rose rose]

Also going into TotK without playing BotW seems very likely to be confusing.

[light gate]

So does Nintendo know when you shared that copy to someone?

[rose rose]

They collect a lot less data if you’re subject to the GDPR

[river veldt]

yes i'd at least look up some BotW story stuff before jumping into TotK, unless you already have in which case idk

[rose rose]

But otherwise definitely yes

[light gate]

yIkEs

[rose rose]

I think some substantial experience with the combat and gameplay may also be wise

And weirdo button layout

[mossy flume]

I guess in theory, but the only thing that they're actively looking for as far as anyone knows is whether your account got flagged for modding. If so, all associated cartridges get flagged too. They do this as a way to deal with ban evasions and they accept the risks of that.

But yes, they do know when it's shared to another console

[rose rose]

I have recently been reminded that playing BotW is an exercise in “wow none of the buttons do what I think they should”

[sage raptor]

no

[mossy flume]

Heh yep

[sage raptor]

the actual game file is not unique to a specific cart

[mossy flume]

The Switch's button layout is funky

[mossy flume]

Each cart does have a unique ID though.

And that ID gets tied.

[light gate]

Nobody is talking about game files, its the identification that the game cartridge provides.

[dire gate]

They gave us button setting, but iirc you have to change the entire machine's setting

[rose rose]

You do

[mossy flume]

Correct

[rose rose]

I had A/B and X/Y swapped for a while

For reference this just makes the BotW mappings even more incoherent

[light gate]

Well, at least Nintendo knows that my console can't be hacked. So rest easy Nintendo.

[mossy flume]

An easy way to demonstrate this: Nintendo gives you coins for your My Nintendo account when you register your cart that you have inserted. It uses that ID as to guarantee it's a one-time use.

Once you do that, no other Nintendo account can claim those coins

[river veldt]

people have a problem with the Switch button layout??? it's the same as the WiiU's

[mossy flume]

That ID is used for many things.

[light gate]

I find that feature absolutely terrible, if the game is older than a year... you can't earn the coins lmao.

[river veldt]

and DS

[light gate]

Only digital works.

[sage raptor]

and snes

[river veldt]

yeah!

[mossy flume]

It's counter to what Microsoft and Sony standardized on.

[river veldt]

oh

[mossy flume]

So if you play across platforms, it's extremely jarring

It fucks with muscle memory

[rose rose]

I do have a problem with the Switch’s button layout because it is different to literally everything else

[river veldt]

well i actually think Xbox and PlayStations button layouts are weird

[rose rose]

But I have more problem with BotW which is its own additional brand of nonsense

[mossy flume]

Thus demonstrating the point.

[river veldt]

what point

[mossy flume]

The one we are currently discussing.

But yeah, BotW does map oddly

It takes some work to get used to it

[rose rose]

There’s a bonus wrench in this: until the PS5, the PlayStation layout was partially region-dependent, and was Nintendo-like in Japan

[river veldt]

i lost track of the conversation

[mossy flume]

Then it takes some work to adjust back

[rose rose]

The buttons weren’t in different places, but O was confirm and X was cancel

[mossy flume]

As a result of this I'll have to focus exclusively on TotK until I'm done with it before I resume my other games, otherwise my muscle memory will be totally fucked and I can't play anything until I refocus it again.

[rose rose]

They have since unified it with rest-of-world.

[river veldt]

wait how have Xbox and PlayStation standarised controllers when Nintendo has had this button layout since the SNES

[dire gate]

I find O confirm to be more intuitive, maybe just because I'm not western

[mossy flume]

Context of what A and B and X and Y do and where they're located

Nintendo swaps them

They stick with their historical layouts

Everyone else dropped old layouts and have since gone with a fairly universal control scheme with respect to physical button locations and what they actually do.

[rose rose]

Technically they were there first but given that it is now Nintendo vs Xbox, PlayStation, PC, and all the weird niche things

[sour hill]

It just feels wrong to have the red button be confirm

[rose rose]

Nintendo is the weird one here

[mossy flume]

Yep

[rose rose]

(PlayStation has different labels but the positions are the same as everyone except Nintendo)

[mossy flume]

It fucked with me when I played Metroid Dread

[dire gate]

"The circle and X represent 'yes' or 'no' decision-making and I made them red and blue respectively."

[mossy flume]

But BotW is especially a bit odd

[rose rose]

Jump on X

[dire gate]

Interestingly enough, the original designer of dualshock thought O as confirm from the very beginning

[mossy flume]

The top button is jump, which is counter to how anyone else does it

Just one example

[river veldt]

x
y a
b

[light gate]

"Press circle to hack"

[river veldt]

button

[mossy flume]

Yep

[river veldt]

i see no issues

[mossy flume]

Yes, because in Japanese culture O is positive, X is negative.

The swap made no sense

(It was done for western audiences, IIRC)

[dire gate]

I am also very familiar with such concept, that's probably why I see it intuitive

[mossy flume]

Yep

[rose rose]

O means nothing over here, though

[mossy flume]

It's intuitive to me as well. It's part of why it took me literal years to get used to the PS controllers

[river veldt]

o means ok

[fresh bane]

in most Japanese versions of games, the O is the confirm and X is the 'cancel' or 'go back' button

[rose rose]

Yes, we have now looped the conversation.

[mossy flume]

I was exposed to that symbolism when I was really young, like through Pokémon, so that's part of why I understand it as such

[rose rose]

Confirm and cancel were swapped in Japan to match the western mappings with the launch of the PS5

[light gate]

It's interesting, X means no for me. O means okay for me. Yet sometimes I get it confused thinking X is go and O is stop.

These button swaps never help I swear.

[rose rose]

So now it’s X = confirm and O = cancel everywhere

[dire gate]

I honestly would say "Nintendo is acting weird, it's not following standardized thing" is not really a good argument

The "standard" is way too arbitrary

[rose rose]

That doesn’t make it not the effective standard

It is entirely arbitrary, to be sure

And it is also incredibly confusing to be presented with something that does not follow it

[mossy flume]

And yet it's the most popular method that we've landed on collectively

Exactly.

A large part of it is explicitly to avoid confusion.

Being unable to understand the controls is one of the top reasons why people stop playing games

[light gate]

Well lets make everyone get more confused by introducing custom controllers!

[dire gate]

I can argue that the controls have been "westernized"

[light gate]

Y = Blue = X ?
B = Red = O?
A = Green = Triangle?
X = Purple = Square?

[mossy flume]

I mean, yes, they have.

[dire gate]

And thus I have never seen the "western" control scheme as "standard"

[mossy flume]

As mentioned here

[dire gate]

Yes, PS5 is like

Very recent

[mossy flume]

The thing is, I thought that swap happened in Japan back in the PS3 era.

[dire gate]

And even then, after the announcement of "X confirm", now Japanese people are extremely confused

[mossy flume]

Yep.

[rose rose]

In the west, the western mappings are, shockingly, standard. As Sony demonstrated for years you can localise these things (though they have since given up, so that is also interesting)

[dire gate]

It was even more confusing in Korea because we use mixed materials, some come from Japan some come from America

[mossy flume]

Microsoft basically landed on it first try and everyone followed suit.

[dire gate]

For example, PS2 control used X confirm

PSP and PS3 used O confirm

For me I never really thought X-confirm scheme as "standard way"

[sour hill]

US copies of metal gear solid had the O is confirm thing

[rose rose]

Well it is standard over here 😄

[dire gate]

So I feel very awkward when people say "Nintendo is not catching up correctly"

[mossy flume]

The trick is to not be so tied up with symbol meaning, but gamepad physical location meaning. This is where Nintendo is strange.

[rose rose]

In any case, which arrangement is correct is largely not the point. The point is that Nintendo being different to literally everyone else is a significant impediment to actually using Nintendo consoles.

[dire gate]

I guess we can say that after PS5

[mossy flume]

Indeed, it becomes an accessibility issue.

[sour hill]

I've never felt that way

[light gate]

ears begin to ring

dear god just what's a controller anymore, X Z r1 R3 🧠 ⚡

... C STICK!

[dire gate]

So it is yet again Sony deciding the market, huh

[rose rose]

Long before the PS5 in the West. Where I am, and is the context about which I am talking.

[heady bridge]

I feel the only reason that happened was because PlayStation’s headquarters was moved to California. Note that Nintendo still uses the old button layout (A is where O is on a PlayStation controller after all) worldwide. I believe Asian markets were for a time up in arms over the change on PS5.

[mossy flume]

Indeed this was a thing long before the PS5

[light gate]

Behold, the juggernaut.

[dire gate]

Well then you can't argue that it was even a "global standard". It was just a western standard, and Nintendo isn't even a western company.

Maybe after PS5 decision they may think about changing.

[rose rose]

I never said anything about global standards.

[mossy flume]

^^^^

[dire gate]

You were saying as if Nintendo is acting weird.

[river veldt]

this is very silly lol

[rose rose]

The PS1 here used X to confirm, IIRC. So still Sony deciding the market but they did that in 1995. And then Microsoft affirmed it in 2001.

[dire gate]

It's not Nintendo being weird, it's just people being different in different region.

[mossy flume]

Sony localized control schemes. Nintendo did not.

[dire gate]

Sony was weirdly having double-control scheme

[untold vigil]

[mossy flume]

My god, you're getting weirdly defensive about an accessibility complaint.

[heady bridge]

Actually depends on the game. Ridge Racer Type 4 used O for confirm worldwide.

[light gate]

I dunno what's happening anymore, but I had fun just remembering the N64 controller.

[mossy flume]

N64 controller was a weird one for sure

[light gate]

Just what is the optimal way of holding it?

[sage raptor]

Is it an accessibility problem if it can be solved by just learning/ getting used to another control scheme?

[heady bridge]

Depends on the game

[mossy flume]

There's no one answer. It's specifically designed for two ways of holding it.

Because they weren't sure if the joystick would catch on

[dire gate]

I do understand people getting confused. What I don't understand is that blaming Nintendo for "not following arbitrary standard built by others"

[mossy flume]

Muscle memory can be difficult to rework. As mentioned.

[heady bridge]

I think it was also so the controller would work with any 2D games the N64 would end up getting, not that it had many as it pushed 3D titles pretty hard

[sage raptor]

but is that an accessibility problem?

it's not limiting

[mossy flume]

"Just git gud" is not a valid answer

[sage raptor]

It's one button placement switched with its neighbor

[rose rose]

Well, two. X and Y are also swapped.

[sage raptor]

yeah but this is about confirm/back

[rose rose]

But yes, it is? And that’s confusing.

[dire gate]

Localized control can be even worse, and I have been living through exactly that.

[rose rose]

It confuses me when I play switch games

That is what I fucking said Jesus fucking Christ.

[dire gate]

And that's not Nintendo's fault.

[sage raptor]

just learn it

[mossy flume]

Are none of you even reading this

[river veldt]

ok, this is just me talking, but this past October i had the opportunity to play on a Ps4 for a bit. mind, ive played Nintendo consoles my whole life, and it took, hmm, about 5 minutes to get used to the button layout

[sage raptor]

and then it stops being confusing

[rose rose]

Heaven forbid I be fucking confused by the one fucking game I play per decade that is completely different to everything else

[mossy flume]

Like, genuinely fuck you.

[river veldt]

ok maybe we should move on, people are getting a little heated

[heady bridge]

Nintendo has always had the rightmost button as confirm dating back to the Famicom.

[dire gate]

I never said you can't be confused or you are wrong to be confused

[fresh bane]

Are we getting mad over button mapping?

[dire gate]

I'm just saying that you can't blame Nintendo for having that control scheme, which was the very standard in their country until very recently and also they have been using for decades.

[mossy flume]

I don't have the patience to deal with this ableist shit.

[river veldt]

oke let's move on maybe

hey check it out it's Link but a horse
https://manebooru.art/images/4026293?

[dire gate]

That master sword looks short

chonksword

[proud warren]

A sword fit for a pone

[minor gorge]

[true maple]

I am very displeased by this. We have banned people for saying things like this. In the future please refrain from this. There are other ways to sort it out.

[mossy flume]

“It’s an accessibility issue”
“Sounds like you should git gud”
Right, because that among a myriad of such ableist nonsense shouldn’t make me angry when it’s directed at both me and my fiancée simultaneously and a chat that should know better is less than indifferent.

I know my error.

But don’t pretend it’s out of nowhere.

[true maple]

I understand that, but we can't have people saying such things in chat. If you can't discourse without going too far, then step away. I am not saying you can't be upset.

I also believe we said to move on from the topic @fresh bane

[mossy flume]

Not sure you do but okay.

[light gate]

So I uhh, finally finished Super Mario Galaxy… for the first time.

[true maple]

That's one more time than I've finished it!

[light gate]

Yeah, I need to collect the purple coins now which have been uh… rage inducing to say the least. My wrist hurts just by moving the pro controller.

Otherwise, its a fun game but I do feel like the purple coin section was quite spicy, then again I have Mario Run on the iPhone with the same issue. lol

This scene is cool as heck though, minus the odd voice acting. Spoilers for Galaxy, lol.

[true maple]

Most of my playing was just watching a friend play and sometimes I played the little brother mode and was the hat

[light gate]

Oh yeah, the helper mode.

Its interesting for sure, but what an odd way to play lmao.

So yeah, finished SM64 for the first time, finished SMG1 for the first time, and now I have to figure out... sunshine...

(Well technically I did finish sm64ds but its quite different tbh)

[true maple]

I am not good at platformers, they take way more time for me to get good enough to not die to dumb user error

which is why i'm rather surprised at how well i seem to be doing in hollow knight

[light gate]

I need to finish hollow knight.

I was enjoying it a lot, and then I suddenly lost interest.

[true maple]

if i never finish it i can still listen to that soundtrack forever

what a masterpiece

[light gate]

Oh wait I remember, it was that boss fight with ||the two bugs||

I don't remember the names, oof.

I have found Hollow Knight a bit annoying though, while its metroid-like game... it really feels quite hollow in the world. Like I would be walking to multiple zones only to discover I really have to fight that boss or I can't progress further.

I would expect getting a bit more upgrades would be part of the focus, like how Metroid does it. Some of those upgrades do improve your ability to fight, so I expected something similar. Little did I know that even with upgrades, you're still gonna die a lot.

I guess I should have expected that considering the game gets compared to Dark Souls.

[true maple]

so far i've only hit one real bottleneck, when i missed a path to a new zone before i had a certain ability that would access the everything

[light gate]

I nearly soft locked myself by getting into a boss with lower health than usual, which sure you can still beat it... but my god you have to know the collision box.

Otherwise, prepare to die.

[mossy flume]

https://www.pcgamer.com/valve-wont-let-devs-frontload-steam-screenshot-galleries-with-a-dozen-trailers-anymore-says-many-dont-know-how-best-to-manage-the-space/

[light gate]

Not a bad idea.

I have seen many games with videos that aren't related to gameplay.

[mossy flume]

A rare instance in which Valve makes a good decision

Yeah, it got rather spammy in a lot of cases

[true maple]

i suppose this means the developers have to make their 2 main videos really count

[mossy flume]

Indeed. Provides a fair incentive while balancing the user experience as well.

[true maple]

which i like because i don't have to hunt through a bunch of separate videos to get an idea of the gameplay when i'm deciding on a purchase

and then there's some games that even with a complete video of the gameplay it's still like wtf is this looking at you, Mirror Moon EP

[sage raptor]

Mirror Moon is weird

[true maple]

it's like if synthwave was a dystopian minimalist puzzle game

[hasty patio]

About fucking time. Nothing wrong with a lot of videos, but at least it is a new standard.

To Valve's thing, not synthwave hellscapes.

[true maple]

they still can put up a bunch of videos, just only 2 are on the left side, the rest are on the right where you have to scroll over to find

[light gate]

I'm debating if I should buy Super Mario 3D World or get the Tunic Manual.

[hasty patio]

And that'll work for me. Surprised that they haven't put a hard limit yet, but not too many have what could be a youtube channel's worth of videos.

[sage raptor]

3D World is great

[light gate]

I haven't even gotten Odyssey.

Too many choices.

[sage raptor]

Didn't you say you were doing Sunshine next?

[light gate]

Its halfway done.

Sunshine though is way more difficult that I ever thought it would be, harder than SMW and SMG1.

I love Super Mario World.

[sage raptor]

yep

SMW is the goat

[light gate]

I have the GBA version.

best version

[bleak lintel]

3D world is one of my favorites.

[sage raptor]

except for the audio and the colors and the resolution

snes is better >_>

[light gate]

I found the colors to be the same.

Then again I did dump the rom.

The SP screen needs replacement.

Audio is subjective for me at least, I love the 'Let's a Go!'

[true maple]

don't dump the rom

[light gate]

lol

[sage raptor]

gba sound chip is worse than snes

it's the quality itself

[light gate]

I really can't tell the difference.

[sage raptor]

although I do personally dislike the voice samples

[light gate]

I need a video, let me look up an example.

ooohh, I see what you mean.

The colors look less strong because they were redesigned to compensate for the lack of backlight.

[sage raptor]

yep

[light gate]

I mean, the fact I couldn't tell pretty much says it all.

[sage raptor]

it's easy to not notice because SMW is so good

[light gate]

I'll admit, music is worse.

But the visuals don't bother me.

So it really could have been worse.

The SNES one looks like just a Green Mario while the right one has Luigi properly shaped. The colors on the left in this level look a bit too blueish and stretched, while the right looks fine.

This is one level though, other levels do have different contrasts.

Oh yeah I prefer the left one in this case, way darker and more to the point.

[sage raptor]

You can play it however you want, just letting you know what was lost

[light gate]

Oh yeah I'm actually thankful you've told me this.

[sage raptor]

Game is great regardless

[light gate]

I never would have known lmao.

[chilly mural]

super kaizo world

[light gate]

But yeah, I guess you can now play SMW on the go with the online thing... but I guess I just have nostalgia for the GBA port.

[sage raptor]

I've made some (terrible) SMW rom hacks, so I'm decently familiar

[mossy flume]

The Sharp L35902 had more capabilities than the SNES’ S-SMP though

Not sure what you’re going on about there.

[sage raptor]

In every example of ports, the SNES version has better audio. Mario, FF, aLttP

I mean you can just listen to a GBA game. It's clear as day.

[mossy flume]

Hm, I could buy that if the audio wasn't remastered properly.

It was modified in some ports to take advantage of the additional channels

[sage raptor]

Listen to them back to back if you don't believe me

[mossy flume]

But I do recall noticing the two sounding different from memory when casually playing on the SNES some years later

Never did a direct comparison

[light gate]

https://youtu.be/TbNcxfHTlPw

starts at 1:27

and here is a more conclusive version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3SBcch8pBU

[chilly mural]

[sage raptor]

I've been playing/replaying through the numbered Final Fantasy games in order. I'm on X now, and it's really good! I never got past the third Seymour fight as a kid :V

[gaunt marten]

Nice!

My favorite part of Final Fantasy X is the postgame so it's good you're getting there

[young creek]

FFX is so crazy good

[thorny loom]

https://gamerant.com/blizzard-ai-artwork-game-worlds-patent/

[wind stump]

[sage raptor]

Are the dark aeons worth doing? I'm probably not going to fight Penance

[gaunt marten]

They are a hassle so I recommend a bit of patience or a guide

[unreal idol]

Mother 2

Holy hell M1+2 has such awful audio

[heady bridge]

Yeah the fanbase would probably burn me at the stake for saying this but I don’t get all the fuss over Earthbound, it’s not a good looking game by SNES standards, it can be a bit confusing to navigate, the story is weird and while that and the setting can make for interesting ideas and moments it never gelled together for me. The gameplay is what makes me scratch my head though, I could just never shake off the thought of “that’s it?” throughout.

[unreal idol]

It's not for everyone

It's a very strange game

[visual hill]

it gets points for being a dark/unusual game by Nintendo standards

[thorny loom]

Back when nintendo took risks

Instead of the same zelda/mario game’s while occasionally doing another series

[uneven epoch]

uh. botw seemed like a fairly significant departure

[river veldt]

"back when Nintendo took risks" lmao somehow forgetting how different BotW and Odyssey were compared to previous games

[visual hill]

I can't wait for ExciteBike and Wave Race to be part of the Switch 2 lineup

[static bluff]

Wave Race was so cool

[river veldt]

so true

[heady bridge]

Technically BotW was a 3D reimagining of the original Zelda on NES with its open-ended design

[unreal idol]

I don't think EB is particularly dark, more so unusual

[river veldt]

yes but BotW being like that after about 20ish years of the standard Zelda formula was super different

[static bluff]

Was it a reimagining or did it merely take inspiration from it

[river veldt]

more inspiration

[unreal idol]

M3 is where it hits that harder especially with its anti capitalism themes

[river veldt]

Mother series is so based

it's a meme but it's relevant

[thorny loom]

There still mario and zelda games

[river veldt]

and???

[thorny loom]

When have they not done well

[heady bridge]

The Virtual Boy and Wii U?

[thorny loom]

Oh god

But thats more hardware related not so much the games

[heady bridge]

Nintendo’s biggest mistake with Mario and Zelda was handing the rights over to Philips for the CDi

[thorny loom]

I disagree

Those gave us great memes

But financially probably

[river veldt]

those are garbage games like, objectively

[thorny loom]

Oh i know

[heady bridge]

I say that but Hotel Mario was actually not a horrible game, it was the cutscenes that made that infamous

[river veldt]

especially if playing on original hardware because they run at like 2 fps

[thorny loom]

https://youtu.be/rvJpiCjVrw0

I miss star fox :/ it never got a switch game

[heady bridge]

Try being a F-Zero fan

At least Star Fox got a game on the Wii U

[chilly mural]

[visual hill]

ah yes, the characters from the Ship of Harkinian Directs

[thorny loom]

Oh god your right

[sage raptor]

This is great

[fresh bane]

anything to avoid paying real artists

https://youtu.be/0YLFc1zofhU

[chilly mural]

Is f-zero GX old enough to drink in the US?

[fresh bane]

https://twitter.com/TheSphereHunter/status/1653955103936905216

Suzi Hunter (@TheSphereHunter)

I downloaded Redfall with gamepass, the game asked me to make an account, I said no, the game said I can't play it, I uninstalled the game. 🧛‍♀️

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[mossy flume]

An online team game needs an online account. Shocking.

[thorny loom]

That kinda makes me sad

[gaunt marten]

Well sometimes online games use your platform's account instead

[thorny loom]

Really they should just have made cod its own thing and forced activison to start using its own ips

[heady bridge]

No, but it can drink here in the UK

[thorny loom]

Lets have Microsoft buy EA then

[heady bridge]

I mean if we want a marriage made in hell why not have Activision Blizzard merge with EA >_>

[thorny loom]

No

Bad

[random steppe]

Hot take, ignoring that Redfall is bad, having the user make an account is really the only good way to make a multiplayer game be cross platform.
And it's good when games are multiplatform

[thorny loom]

Im not opposed to this

Halo mcc had us do that and no one complained

[heady bridge]

Can confiirm, love being able to play Honkai: Star Rail on my PC and then take it with me on my mobile phone

[gaunt marten]

Why can't Halo MCC use my Microsoft account?

[random steppe]

Like, how else is the guy that got it with game pass going to play with the guy from steam

[gaunt marten]

That would be multiplatform

[random steppe]

Either way someone has to make an account

[gaunt marten]

You an automatic game account for everyone when they use their Nintendo Switch Online account or their Epic Games account to log in.

This way they don't have to make a new account. It's automatically done for them

[random steppe]

Yeah the problem is that, if those 2 players have to play together, those 2 accounts have to talk to each other

[thorny loom]

It does?

[random steppe]

Especially if they want to add each other as friends

[thorny loom]

I have to sign into it when i play it

[gaunt marten]

No, what I mean is that regardless of which account you used originally, you now have a Game-specific account without needing to make one, and you can now use it to do everything you would need a separate account for