general gaming

[random steppe]

Definitely trying this out

[gaunt marten]

Yes! It's a great twist. The only reason I'm interested in the game

Otherwise Domekeeper is a masterfully crafted game that better deserves your money

[random steppe]

I already played dome keeper to exaustion, short of them adding more domes I'm done dome with it

[grim stirrup]

gonna stream it in voip

[wind stump]

Dome Depo~

[visual hill]

I have Dome Keeper, but I have yet to play it

(its developer gave me a key because I'm a Godot developer, and the game is made with Godot)

[random steppe]

It's a great podcast game

[visual hill]

it's the 3rd or 4th game I got this way

[gaunt marten]

Maybe I should develop for godot

[wind stump]

who gave this girl a flintlock gun

[quiet swift]

[fresh bane]

https://youtu.be/dBHvcW7olPs

It's canon

Mario's favourite game is S3&K

[river veldt]

ew HDD

[gaunt marten]

Hot diggety demon is a bit edgy and distasteful, yeah.

But he makes good content

(I'm too busy to watch the video right now to see if I like it)

[river veldt]

the animation is amazing but yeah the edginess throws me off

[fresh bane]

Well this video in specific doesn't have any edginess

[river veldt]

i did like the Animal Crossing video i thought it was funny

[wind stump]

blast processing

[river veldt]

ok that was pretty cute

it also feels in character for Mario

[grim stirrup]

after 80 minutes (4 runs) its a fun game so far, meta progression is huge though, like extremely effecting to the point you probably can't "win" a run without a fair amount of it

[gaunt marten]

That's great because this is how I like it

@slim thorn I noticed you have Meat Boy in your wishlist. The franchise is on sale right now, and the game is 90% off, the deepest sale it's ever been. https://store.steampowered.com/publisher/thunderfulpublishing/sale/super-meat-boy-franchise-sale

Interestingly, the sequel is cheaper than the original? Is the sequel bad or something?

[grim stirrup]

idk if this is spoiler as its essentially about map design but ||its also quite run effecting finding out theres some form of "bonus" room in every mine that drops something either meta progressing or run effecting (like the bomb you saw me get, theres also weapon pickups and stuff||

[grim stirrup]

that looks like an error on regional pricing

[gaunt marten]

Oh it's in every mine? I thought it was just some of them

[grim stirrup]

its not in the same shape as that one, maybe in the form of a big room, some of them look super nice too

[gaunt marten]

Hmm

https://steamdb.info/app/581660/

[grim stirrup]

also the mines are huge so its hard to find in some

[gaunt marten]

For me the sequel is a dollar, compared to two dollars in the US

No, it turns out it's because it is a worse game

[grim stirrup]

fair enough

[gaunt marten]

Looking at the prices of the two games, in the US, the original is less expensive

[gaunt marten]

In Saudi Arabia the sequel is less expensive

But comparing regions in either of these games, it makes sense for each price to be like so

[river veldt]

the sequel is like a weird randomised autorunner

[gaunt marten]

So like Isaac

[river veldt]

yes but bad

[gaunt marten]

So like Isaac

[river veldt]

isaac isn't bad

[gaunt marten]

I don't know

The more I play it the less I like it but I just can't stop myself

[river veldt]

hmmm

maybe a break is in order

or starting a new save file?

that's what i did

[gaunt marten]

I did!

The problems are in the game, not in me.

[river veldt]

what are the problems

[grim stirrup]

one of the problems is the diluted item pool making it really slow to do some things

[gaunt marten]

For one, there are too many items that are added without taking into account how it affects randomness

Like what Chip says.

A lot of the items are fun sometimes but you get them too often. There should be a type of treasure room that only gives a certain type of item, to better control for the game's randomness.

[grim stirrup]

there are some of that sort of things, such as the angel/devil and the astrology room

[gaunt marten]

A lot of the best strategies for playing the game fall into two categories:
1- Randomness minimization, where you stack rerolls and only pick safe choices.
2- Rerolling for luck.

[slim thorn]

perhaps it is stupid question time

don't all roguelites work that way? if you care about anything close to "optimal" play

[gaunt marten]

A lot of them, like Hades, are enjoyable if you just play the game well instead of focusing on minimizing randomness.

With Isaac, you need a minimum amount of damage to make rooms last a reasonable amount of time and you can't get it by playing in a riskier way

So randomness is your only avenue of improvement

Playing better just minimizes the damage you take most of the time

[river veldt]

i still think it is fun

[gaunt marten]

It is fun

It is also bad though

[river veldt]

i dont think it is bad

[grim stirrup]

isaac doesn't give you many choices for making active choices, you can get better at it with dodging etc, its slightly better with the newest dlc and the alt path, but a lot of games give you more choice in things, even games like vampire survivor has a lot of personal choice in the randomness

hades has the choice of two paths every room+ gifts
dead cells has like a crazy amount of choices
slay the spire has custom deck and custom path
enter the gungeon has slight path choices, and you usually have to choose between which chests to open and what to spend money on (but in a wider range than isaac)

[gaunt marten]

Yeah

[untold vigil]

I like Our Darker Purpose

personally

It's the only roguelike I've really plugged a lot of time into

[gaunt marten]

Never heard of it. What's it like?

Also, you ought to try Hades if you haven't.

[untold vigil]

I have

I've cleared it once

ODP is sorta in the isaac school as I understand it

but i hate BOI and love ODP so take that for what it's worth

[gaunt marten]

Yeah.

[untold vigil]

It's been a long time since I've played it so I don't have like

Fresh memories to draw from

I would try it

If only because I love it and it deserves it

[slim thorn]

most of the roguelites I tried I got bored with far too quickly to make any meaningful progress

[untold vigil]

But it is in the choices school and I remember having a blast perfecting builds

[slim thorn]

Hades is the only exception, much less the only one I "completed"

[gaunt marten]

Oh, Our Darker Purpose looks a lot like Isaac

https://store.steampowered.com/app/262790/Our_Darker_Purpose/

Steam

Our Darker Purpose

Journey to the dark heart of the Edgewood Home for Lost Children in this fiendishly difficult action RPG!When her teacher stepped out of the classroom a month ago, Cordy never imagined he would be gone for good. Now her fellow students have turned on each other as the school descends into chaos. Cordy must battle feral classmates and dangerous c...

Price

$14.99

Recommendations

538

Metacritic

74

▶ Play video

[untold vigil]

It looks like it

But prettier

Or at least has an aesthetic I like better

[gaunt marten]

Well it's not hard to be prettier than Isaac

[slim thorn]

[gaunt marten]

Hmm, price history

Looks like the game actually stopped going on big sales since 2017

That was when it had a best price of 85% off

Nowadays it goes on 50% off sales sometimes. Kinda expensive

[untold vigil]

It's worth it?

I played 67 hours of it

[gaunt marten]

I could instead buy five other games

[untold vigil]

That's less than ten cents per hour

Well below expectations

[gaunt marten]

Yeah, but my income is like negative

[untold vigil]

Well I can't help you there

I tend to ascribe to the "good pair of boots" argument for games

[slim thorn]

well, this is why I gave Flitter half of my random Steam collectibles

[gaunt marten]

That argument doesn't really hold when good games can be both cheap and long lasting

[untold vigil]

Sure? But not all of them are

In absence of perfect information

This harkens back to the "should I get this" argument from a few months back

[gaunt marten]

There's enough games that unless the price is competitive, I just can't afford to get it unless it really draws me in.

For half the amount of money I could buy Civilization 6, for example, and I don't doubt both games are good, but Civ 6 will entertain me for longer.

[slim thorn]

Flitter also seems to very reliably enjoy games for far longer than I do

[gaunt marten]

I don't know, we seem to have reasonably similar playtime amounts per game

[untold vigil]

You could also get a much older civ for even less money and have most of the same experience

[gaunt marten]

On average, at least

[gaunt marten]

I have!

[untold vigil]

I like call to power personally

I haven't really played any since

[gaunt marten]

My favorite is 5 with all the expansions. Then 4 then 3.

[slim thorn]

according to steamdb, my average is 14.9h, yours is 39.8h

[gaunt marten]

Clarification: I play a lot of games for short amounts of time and some games for a very long time.

[grim stirrup]

heroes of hammerwatch remains one of my fav roguelikes

[slim thorn]

I mean, everyone does, that's why the average is useful

[gaunt marten]

The very long time ones skew the average super far

No, like

[untold vigil]

That reminds me

[slim thorn]

(and the median would be even more useful but steamdb doesn't seem to have that)

[gaunt marten]

ten times longer than most people

[untold vigil]

It's probably about time where id have fun doing another run of battletech

[slim thorn]

oh right you have >1000 hour games so that probably ruins the average completely

[gaunt marten]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that one! It's one of the best of all time

Here's my list of games with over 80 hours played

https://i.imgur.com/iS2v2pw.png

https://store.steampowered.com/app/209330/A_Valley_Without_Wind/ is by far the worst one, but the music was so good I couldn't stop

Steam

A Valley Without Wind

A 2D sidescroller without a linear path. An action game with tactical combat and citybuilding. An adventure game that lets you free-roam a vast, procedurally-generated world. A Valley Without Wind defies genre stereotypes. Unlike other procedurally-generated games, you also get a logical progression in difficulty, plus helpful tips and checklist...

Price

$14.99

Recommendations

186

Metacritic

54

[grim stirrup]

its a load of fun and has good net code+cheap so lots of people buy it for multiplayer

[gaunt marten]

https://arcenmusic.bandcamp.com/album/a-valley-without-wind

[visual hill]

that feeling when I have some recent AAA games I bought, but I spent a bunch of hours playing UT99 and Action Quake 2 this week

[gaunt marten]

Yeah

I stopped buying AAA games as often because the price to fun proposition is bad

[slim thorn]

I have so many games I actually want to play but keep failing to make time for

[quiet swift]

[slim thorn]

(which makes it hardly surprising I barely ever replay anything)

[untold vigil]

I am surprised my stellaris time outshines your CK2 time

[grim stirrup]

[untold vigil]

Actually I'm more shocked

[gaunt marten]

I just ran out of content in CK2

[slim thorn]

meanwhile Tale replays Stellaris like it's soothing white noise

[quiet swift]

This doesn't count anything on the battle.net launcher though. which would skew my numbers giganticly

[gaunt marten]

The remaining CK2 things I have to do require a better computer.

[grim stirrup]

how do you get that more zoomed out view, i can't find it

[gaunt marten]

I forgot. You can customize the size

It's this https://i.imgur.com/bMqmwOi.png

IIRC there was also a size slider? I can't find it

[grim stirrup]

neat

[rose rose]

The “play a game for an hour and then get distracted and never touch it again” approach.

[gaunt marten]

That's not bad

[rose rose]

It does not know that I have many hours in FFXIV, which would probably way skew both those numbers on its own

(Also the console time.)

[gaunt marten]

This is why I don't play Incremental games if they only have Steam as an option

[young creek]

bros only got 56 hours in raft...

[grim stirrup]

i dont really mind if it corrupts my stats, but ye

[untold vigil]

Listen

It's very soothing

[grim stirrup]

honestly i'm surprised i only have that much time, i played it from scratch every major patch, i did play with a mod launcher for the last couple as one of my friends gets sea sickness from it

[arctic fern]

oh we're sharing gametime?

[young creek]

idk what Raft is I just had to pick a weird one

[arctic fern]

raft is really good!

[river veldt]

only 500 hours in isaac c'mon

[gaunt marten]

https://twitter.com/KatieChrz/status/1643677451208519680

Katie - MiniKitty (@KatieChrz)

Over 1,000,000 of you have grabbed The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog and it's currently the #61 highest rated game on Steam of ALL TIME.

Absolutely unreal. Thank you all so, so much. 💙

Likes

6940

Retweets

1372

Twitter · Apr 5, 2023, 6:10 PM

[untold vigil]

Maybe I should dust off ODP

[arctic fern]

whats ODP?

[gaunt marten]

Our Darker Purpose

https://store.steampowered.com/app/262790/Our_Darker_Purpose/

Steam

Our Darker Purpose

Journey to the dark heart of the Edgewood Home for Lost Children in this fiendishly difficult action RPG!When her teacher stepped out of the classroom a month ago, Cordy never imagined he would be gone for good. Now her fellow students have turned on each other as the school descends into chaos. Cordy must battle feral classmates and dangerous c...

Price

$14.99

Recommendations

538

Metacritic

74

▶ Play video

[arctic fern]

oh yeah you linked that earlier

[gaunt marten]

I'm prescient

[untold vigil]

[grim stirrup]

of the ones in my top these are the ones i really really like rimworld also but i go on/off that type of game

[untold vigil]

. . . Speaking of Stellaris i should play it probably

either that or do Rise's dungeon. . .

hrmmmmmmmmmmm

[gaunt marten]

Is Elden Ring not good?

[grim stirrup]

its very unstructured which causes problems with my adhd

its good but it has looser direct goals which lowers its rating for me

[gaunt marten]

I see

[grim stirrup]

my fromsoft soulslikes its still ds2>ds3>elden ring>ds1>sekiro

[river veldt]

why is Skyrim not circled

[quiet swift]

You kinda want to research early and figure out what build you want to go for. WHen i first tried it last year i was going blind and it didn't go well

[grim stirrup]

see above

[river veldt]

isn't New Vegas quite unstructured

[quiet swift]

I did finally play it a couple months ago after researching about it and finding builds and had a grand time

[gaunt marten]

New Vegas has a good main quest

[untold vigil]

oooh I should play NV again too

[river veldt]

you have a good main quest

[gaunt marten]

Skyrim's main quest is shit from ass, so to speak

[river veldt]

WRONG

OPINION DISCARDED

CRYIGN

[grim stirrup]

people like new vegas for its quests, people like skyrim for the exploration

[untold vigil]

. . . I agree actually

[river veldt]

TALE WHY

[untold vigil]

I've never finished skyrims main quyest a single time ever

[river veldt]

Tale i thought you loved me

[arctic fern]

skyrim fucking sucks, a decade later i struggle to see why people like it

[untold vigil]

in over 1000 hours of the game

[grim stirrup]

also skyrims combat feels icky now i'm used to better stuff, and most mods that try to fix it make it worse

[untold vigil]

I do love you cap but that questline blows

[river veldt]

man im going to have to excommunicate many people

[gaunt marten]

The horn of Jurgen Windcaller part of the quest is really bad.

Other parts that you HAVE to do are also generally bad

[untold vigil]

I love skyrim but man

[river veldt]

what about the part when you go in the sewer????? and then you have to answer a riddle????????

[untold vigil]

. . . huh?

[arctic fern]

thats.... not good game design

[gaunt marten]

Skyrim's best content is the sidequests and how the world is designed

[grim stirrup]

also for this, i'm fine getting builds, but the wide range of paths i can take despite being full build just gives me choice paralysis

[arctic fern]

and most of that is sub-par in comparison to oblivion, or fallout 3 or NV

[gaunt marten]

I actually like it better than any of those

[arctic fern]

oof

[untold vigil]

Skyrim is worse than either fallout I agree

[river veldt]

and what about the part when the Blades tell you have to kill Paarthurnaax and it doesn't give you the option to say no even though the Blades are supposed to be obedient to the Dragonborn and not the other way around?????

wait actually that part sucks and i hate it

[untold vigil]

it is definitely better than oblivion with the exceptions of specific quests

[arctic fern]

hell i prefer fallout 4 over skyrim

[gaunt marten]

I just mod that one out

[arctic fern]

and fallout 4 sucks

[gaunt marten]

Paarthurnax lives in every playthrough

[quiet swift]

I gave it multiple tries, the combat is so horrifyingly clunky that i just can't stand it

[river veldt]

Paarthurnax is epic

[river veldt]

i tried New Vegas and thought it was boring but that may just be because i had to play on my computer and not my Switch

[river veldt]

that's a lot of Hades hours

[gaunt marten]

Look at the widescreen res

[arctic fern]

how?

[river veldt]

i dont remember

[quiet swift]

I ❤️ hades

[arctic fern]

theres literally cowboy robots

[gaunt marten]

I don't like cowboys or robots

[arctic fern]

well shit

[river veldt]

yeah and Skyrim has fucking dragons which are a thousand times cooler

[arctic fern]

yeah but skyrim dragons suck ass

[river veldt]

wrong

[quiet swift]

https://steamcommunity.com/id/Tcher/ I mean, look at my profile

[arctic fern]

they're just not fun

[river veldt]

someone didn't meet Paarthurnax

[arctic fern]

one dragon

[gaunt marten]

I like Skyrim's dragons but I agree they are clunky to fight

[river veldt]

do you have any Hades tips

[gaunt marten]

Play a lot

[arctic fern]

theres one half0decent dragon in skyrim

[quiet swift]

don't suck

[river veldt]

i keep getting anxious im going to be locked out of certain dialogue

[gaunt marten]

Enable god mode so if you die a lot, at least you get the opportunity to improve

[arctic fern]

fallout NV is literally filled with awesome NPCs with interesting stories

[river veldt]

oh im fine with the gameplay

[gaunt marten]

I don't want the NPCs to tell me anything

[quiet swift]

Oh nah then you literally do have to play more. I don't think you can get locked out of anything, you just won't get all dialogues in a single run

[grim stirrup]

dragons make me fall far to hard into archery evrey run meaning i dont really interact with enemies a lot of the time

[gaunt marten]

I just want to go into a dungeon and open the chest at the end

Repeat 4000 times

[arctic fern]

then play borderlands

[river veldt]

i much prefer Skyrim's setting
Nordic fantasy with dragons and Jarls and elves and cat people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robot cowboys or whatever

[gaunt marten]

Borderlands doesn't have good dungeons

[arctic fern]

cat people
let me introduce you to mods

[river veldt]

i mean of course this is influenced by how i grew up with LotR and that's an important part of my life so i'll probably be more drawn to fantasy settings

if a Fallout ever gets ported to Switch I'll play it

[quiet swift]

I'll stick with these cat people

[arctic fern]

well bethesda games are best experienced on PC
because there are bug fixes for them

the switch version of skyrim's 14th re-release has decades old bugs on it still

[river veldt]

exactly

the true Skyrim experience

[gaunt marten]

The true skyrim experience is fixing the broken quests by manually stepping through them with console commands

[river veldt]

no

[untold vigil]

Man I can't imagine

[gaunt marten]

It is for me.

[random steppe]

To be fair, I did never finish skyrim, and it was always because a broken quest sapped my interest in playing

[gaunt marten]

I love opening Xedit and then looking at the quest stages then trying to guess what broke

And then fixing it by moving to the correct stage

[untold vigil]

Man this is making me want to play fallout 4 again

[slim thorn]

this is making me want to continue not playing any Elder Scrolls or Fallout

[untold vigil]

Ix

how do you have so many good opinions and also so many bad ones

[arctic fern]

play new vegas!

its literally one of the best games of al time

[river veldt]

no play Skyrim

[arctic fern]

thats not an opinon, thats fact

[river veldt]

objectively the best game ever made

[arctic fern]

wrong

[untold vigil]

I'm going to guess that Ix owuld say that the RPG elements don't add enough to the game to make up for the sub-par gunplay

And he'd rather play something that leans more one way or the other

[river veldt]

this sounds exactly like something Ixrec would say

[slim thorn]

[untold vigil]

Am I wrong?

[slim thorn]

I mean I'd have to play it to find out for sure, but probably not

[untold vigil]

Listen, we've spent like. . . 500 hours together playing various games over the past couple months

I think I have your opinions pretty well solidified

[slim thorn]

and a little bit vice versa, which is how this started

look you've already got me playing Fire Emblem, let's take it one RPG franchise at a time

[untold vigil]

I don't think I'd even try to get you to play bethesda games

I had a feeling you'd enjoy FE if I got you over the humps

[river veldt]

i harassed Ixrec into playing Odyssey and they said it was mediocre and ive never recovered

[untold vigil]

I am NOT confident even my delightful presense would make you enjoy fallout

[slim thorn]

yeah, the way everyone talks about Skyrim, I don't think there are parts I'd like in there regardless

...Mario Odyssey?

[river veldt]

yeah

[slim thorn]

I do not remember saying that

[river veldt]

you said it was perfectly serviceable

[slim thorn]

other than the jump rope it was pretty great

[untold vigil]

[river veldt]

IFNGJGGNGNHFHG I GAVE YOU EVERY TIP FOR THE JUMP ROPE

[arctic fern]

jump rope is the worst

[gaunt marten]

Giving tips doesn't always help

[arctic fern]

worse than skyrim

[untold vigil]

[slim thorn]

and you're well aware of how many I tried including ones you didn't suggest

for whatever reason it's even more broken for me than it is for everyone else who offered advice

[river veldt]

did you at least think the dragon fight was cool

[arctic fern]

its not broken, its just really hard

[arctic fern]

no

[untold vigil]

I'm trying to think of a game I love that everyone hates

[slim thorn]

no for me the jump rope really was straight-up brokenn

[untold vigil]

just to give cap a break

[slim thorn]

seriously we spent a long time on this

[river veldt]

man

Ruined Kingdom (or Crumbledon) was so cool

i wish it was a full scale kingdom but oh well

[slim thorn]

the dragon fight was cool though

[river veldt]

yay !

[grim stirrup]

me everytime i say ds2 is the best dark souls by a decent margin

[arctic fern]

yeah ruined kingdom oozed style

[gaunt marten]

Fire Emblem 1

[arctic fern]

i'd have loved to see more there

[river veldt]

the best Dark Souls is the one with the mushroom men

[untold vigil]

Fire emblem 1? Like the super old one?

[gaunt marten]

But that's all of them

Yeah

[slim thorn]

no that's Hollow Knight

[untold vigil]

ive never played that one

[gaunt marten]

Oh I was just guessing

[slim thorn]

if an RPG franchise has more than 10 installments, no one on earth has played all of them

[river veldt]

i cant get into Hollow Knight :c

[grim stirrup]

brb going and playing every single castlevania

[gaunt marten]

I played every Final Fantasy except the MMOs and the newer ones because I no longer have money

[river veldt]

have you played

[arctic fern]

i played all 7 days to die

i died on day 8 tho

[gaunt marten]

Go on

[slim thorn]

after FF7 and 9 I feel like I've probably had enough of that franchise, unless someone is dying to watch me play another

they were great but they're so much

[green fulcrum]

@gaunt marten Alright, so I reached "that point" of Wrath of the Righteous where the crusade mechanic gets a lot more complicated. It's actually very similar to the kingdom management mechanic from Kingmaker, but there's lots of little differences that honestly make the crusade management much more fun and rewarding, even though there's technically more to keep track of overall.

For one thing, it's less buggy, and the event timings and deadlines aren't nearly as strict as they were before. You still can't ignore stuff for too long or you'll lose some major loot, quests, or even the game, but the game gives you plenty of time to prepare for that and figure out ways of stopping it from happening.

Overall, unlike Kingmaker's kingdom management, the crusade management is much more fun, and instead of impeding the game's enjoyment, it enhances it.

[gaunt marten]

I see

[gaunt marten]

I'd like to see how you handle the FFX sidequests, but I don't know if you'd enjoy them

[green fulcrum]

It honestly gives off major Heroes of Might and Magic 3 vibes with how you build your armies, prepare your fort defenses, and construct buildings.

[gaunt marten]

I liked HoMM3 a lot

[green fulcrum]

Maybe not as detailed, but some similarities

[quiet swift]

Persona 4 golden players, any recommendations for early personas? I've already researched what "best" are and these seem like giga fusions or so. I've briefly seem something about Eligor being strong early game?

[random steppe]

Played this for a bit and it's pretty damn awesome, will definitely use it as podcast game for the next few weeks at least.
It's pretty tight too, like, I expected much worse when you mentioned it lacked polish

[gaunt marten]

It only lacks polish in comparison to Dome Keeper

[random steppe]

It's not even similar to it, but I have a soft spot for spider tanks because of this scene of this old anime.

https://youtu.be/3-h0FbHoNbc

It's cheesy as hell but it has a lot of charm

I guess ghost in the shell also had them

[gaunt marten]

FF8 has a great Spiderbot

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/X-ATM092.

[rose rose]

I was curious: on top of this, I also have 2,402 hours in FFXIV specifically. Which would increase the total to 4,635 and the average to 21.9 hours

more than doubling both

[fresh bane]

Currently cloning my HDD into my new SSD, let's hope it goes well it's gonna take a while though...

Kinda bummed that the 960 GB SSD reads as having 894 GB instead

But I will have a 930 GB HDD for storage when this is done so it's fine

[gaunt marten]

That's how it works. They often advertise misleading numbers and they're allowed to do that because of a technicality.

You're only losing 7% in this case

[rugged flax]

1000 vs 1024 issue
old as silicon chips

[fresh bane]

Yeah it's not a huge loss.... But still

It's fine, like I said I'll have a whole disk for storage anyways

[quiet swift]

https://www.ea.com/games/starwars/jedi/jedi-survivor/pc-system-requirements?isLocalized=true 155gb storage...

[icy crescent]

holy

[wind stump]

Tsundere Mikke

Totally original character

[fresh bane]

Fucking hell the cloning process just got done

It took seven hours

Luckily absolutely everything seems to be there

I literally slept through the entire process

Holy shit that is FAST

Wow

SSDs are no joke

[fresh bane]

damn, BOTW booted up in seconds, it took me a minute or two before especially the loading screens

sheesh

aaaaand I got all upgrades

(for the base game anyway.... )

[river veldt]

epic

[thorny loom]

https://www.pcgamer.com/bethesda-added-a-newvegas2-branch-to-fallout-4-fueling-rumors-of-a-new-vegas-follow-up/

[fresh bane]

damn

[river veldt]

damn roasted

[fresh bane]

there was once a ship that took to sea

BRO WHAT

I was fucking zooming

Link crashes and fucking dies

[river veldt]

rip

[wind stump]

BRO WTF
They added a new monkey

i thought it was just another hero but NON

[grim stirrup]

yeyeyeye beast handlers fun

they're weird but fun to play with

[wind stump]

what da fuck
is this allowed
what da fuck

[grim stirrup]

they already added 2 new towers to btd6 in its lifespan

engineer and gatling

i think engineer was post launch

[wind stump]

engi was a BT Battles addition first though, if i recall

[wind stump]

OH MY GOD
You can change your controlled party member in Tales of Zesperia

Let me in... LET ME IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN!

[quiet swift]

[slim thorn]

I appreciate how wild the boss designs are in general

from what I've seen so far the Dominatrix Banana Head is probably tied with this one for -ness

[wind stump]

ah yes
The Repressed Gay

[quiet swift]

Subtlety, thy name is not Persona

[wind stump]

I believe his admirers are weak to different elements btw

forget what exactly but it's something to look for

[quiet swift]

yes, i found that out already haven't figured out his

[slim thorn]

one of the perks of knowing JP during that dungeon was laughing at how every other room was filled with banners saying MEN MEN MEN MEN

[wind stump]

Ah right, I forgot that weaknesses in Persona make no sense

Well I'm not telling

[slim thorn]

golden also reshuffles all the weaknesses

[wind stump]

You know what?
fires up the ol' Yar Har
Where tf is Persona Q

between this and resi 4 hd packs my internet is crying

[quiet swift]

Man, he was SO much easier than Yukiko

[untold vigil]

Yeah

Kanji is a 👑

A real man

[sour hill]

I love kanji

[untold vigil]

Yes

[slim thorn]

[wind stump]

The entire P4 cast not Marie is great

[wind stump]

Speaking of Persona 4

CHAD KUN IT'S BEEN TOO LONG

Awwww yeah there's remixes of Persona 4 music

[thorny loom]

https://www.pcgamer.com/star-wars-jedi-survivors-system-reqs-are-out-and-i-guess-im-buying-a-new-hard-drive/

155gb

Jfc

[green fulcrum]

That's so damn stupid

[thorny loom]

At least its not warzone bad

Warzone was almost 500 gb at one point

[green fulcrum]

Why are games so big these days?! We have the technology to make them smaller and still contain all their features.

[thorny loom]

Bad file compression and optimization

[gaunt marten]

We do not in fact have the technology to make them smaller and still contain all their features.

[thorny loom]

Ark SE is 500 gb on steam with all dlc. But when compressed properly its only 125 gb

[gaunt marten]

We can make many reasonable sacrifices, but there's no way to make files smaller while still allowing hardware limited computers to load them fast.

Many types of compression require some amount of decoding time. That slows down the game as it loads, so you have to choose between two of the game loading fast, having high quality audio and low space for example.

Then again, there are many unreasonable sacrifices

The non-Steam version of some Fallout games have a separate set of files for each language, instead of just asking you what language you want to download.

That's pretty dumb because now the game is about five times the size

[slim thorn]

[gaunt marten]

One thing you can do to make games smaller if you don't mind slightly longer loading times is apply transparent compression on them

Windows contains this feature natively, but it's a bit hard to use. This application allows you to use it on games https://github.com/IridiumIO/CompactGUI

(Don't use LZX)

[fresh bane]

I'm gonna be honest games could look like early PS4 titles and I'd be completely fine with that, hell you can give me a PS3 looking title I'll be a-okay

[gaunt marten]

That's good.

[fresh bane]

I understand that current tech is super impressive and all but I'm gonna be honest I really don't need to render each and every single one of Leon's hair strands

[gaunt marten]

I also don't buy games that are too big

Plenty of good games that are smaller

[slim thorn]

I'm very curious how much general gaming audiences would buy less if a title really was exactly the same with slightly worse graphics

[fresh bane]

And it sucks because devs will obviously want to flex and show off the latest tech but at the same time is it really necessary?

I think we've been at the point where games are realistic enough that any new improvements is just bonuses and icing on the cake

very expensive icing on the cake....

[slim thorn]

but of course I'm into games for everything that isn't the fancy graphics, and for me it's been diminishing returns ever since the PS2 era

[rancid herald]

That’s a lot of game yikes

[slim thorn]

not that I didn't enjoy all the shiny details in the DS and RE4 remakes

[fresh bane]

If most games that came out looked relatively the same as games looked like 5-10 years ago they wouldn't really have a choice, sure they could complain but if Pokemon still makes big sales even though the last few games had gigantic issues visuals wise and glitches wise then I'm sure the industry would be just fine

[slim thorn]

"they wouldn't have a choice"?

[fresh bane]

Hell, Elden Ring doesn't really look cutting edge but it's still super praised, Sekiro was too back in 2018, Fromsoftware is one of the few devs I can point to that doesn't care about cutting edge tech they kinda put it all on artstyle

[slim thorn]

I mean, people can always just not buy a game

[gaunt marten]

I do

[slim thorn]

those who play every entry in a series are the extreme minority

[fresh bane]

Sure but I really wonder how many times people actually do that

[slim thorn]

how many times they... don't buy a game?

or do you mean look at a game and go "nah, the graphics aren't good enough"?

[fresh bane]

How many times they don't buy a game, I'm assuming you're saying that if visuals remained roughly the same for most games even nowadays that people would just not buy those games right?

[slim thorn]

I was asking a question to which I don't know the answer

[fresh bane]

Well what I was trying to say with they don't have a choice is that people would complain sure but they'd still buy the game

[slim thorn]

not everything is a personal attack on games you like lol

[fresh bane]

Huh?

[slim thorn]

well with huge fanbases like Pokemon some amount of complaining is inevitable no matter how good or bad each game is, at that scale it's a matter of degree

[gaunt marten]

People who complain about Pokemon graphics sucking are the very same people who keep buying every iteration

[fresh bane]

Right, that's what I'm referring to

Wasn't the last two Pokemon games super successful even though they had a bunch of issues?

[gaunt marten]

There's no real way to do blind testing for this because the premise is that you want to look at people's decisions in the wild, but going from self reported data, a large percentage of people (~75%) say that graphics are at least an important factor in their decision.

[slim thorn]

mm-hmm, especially for us, most of the complaining we hear about is from people who did buy and play the game, so in some sense the goal was already achieved

the reasons why people just don't buy a game tend to go silently unstated

and a lot of it is some other game looking more interesting

[fresh bane]

There's no real way to know with this because it's not really plausible to live in a world where people would intentionally stagnate their tech and not massively improve it, even though I complain that games are getting ridiculously detailed and too big and the requirements are just growing too much unnecessarily it's kind of inevitable

[slim thorn]

speaking of which, I'll probably play some VA-11 Hall-A later

[gaunt marten]

Tech stagnation is not actually a thing

[slim thorn]

in the distant future, where no one can afford more than a few hundred pixels

[fresh bane]

What I mean by that is developers intentionally not making their games absolutely cutting edge that even the most high end PCs can't properly run at ultra settings and making something that looks a bit ''worse'', stagnation is probably not the best word for it

but it's the first that came to mind

[gaunt marten]

You could just make your game 2D

[fresh bane]

I wouldn't complain

[slim thorn]

well, even "2D games" these days have fancy 3D graphics

[fresh bane]

Blasphemous is great

So was Metroid Dread.... but that one was 3D

....2.5D?

[slim thorn]

2.5D usually refers to gameplay that's on a 2D plane but transitions to other 2D planes at specific points

[gaunt marten]

Yes well, "2D" nowadays is secretly 3D with orthogonal projection.

[slim thorn]

I'm not aware of a specific term for 2D gameplay with 3D graphics

[gaunt marten]

That's because GPUs are really bad at real 2D

[slim thorn]

probably because that's rarely a specific reason why one would like or not like a game

[fresh bane]

Well visually it's 3D but gameplay wise it's 2D

[slim thorn]

these days I feel like whether a 2D Metroidvania has 3D graphics is more like an art style choice than anything else

[rancid herald]

I'm pretty sure we call them sidescrollers or top down

[fresh bane]

I would've loved Metroid Dread with 2D visuals ala Blasphemous or something like that but I really have to wonder if it would've performed/been received as well if it wasn't with the 3D style they went for, especially by newer audiences

Also 3D does have one key difference which I don't know if it can be replicated with 2D visuals which is the 360 aiming that the newer Metroids have

[slim thorn]

I think that has more to do with the movement system; sidescrollers and top-downs can also have either 2D or 3D graphicis

[fresh bane]

Metroid 2 remake and Dread had it and it makes a difference, those games are practically impossible or extremely difficult with only arrow keys

But yeah that's the only one that comes to mind to be fair

[slim thorn]

that's an interesting point

[fresh bane]

yeah, I almost got stuck playing Metroid 2 remake because sometimes you have to make shots with your rockets at veeeery precise angles that with an analog stick are easy enough but with a dpad? no way

[slim thorn]

360 2D aiming doesn't require 3D graphics, but it's probably a lot easier to make it look good when you're not doing a pixel art style, and these days the only games that seem to go fully 2D by choice are the retro pixel art kind

even tiny indie things like Yoku's Island Express are cartoon-y 3D

I guess Guacamelee is a rare example of an art style that's truly 2D but not pixel art

[fresh bane]

Yeah I don't think many people deliberately go for a 2D pixel style anymore unless it's specifically done for budget reasons like an indie game or because they deliberately want to go for that artstyle, which is a bit of a shame I guess because it's a legitimately neat style that I feel can look super good with modern tech even games like Link's Awakening's remake was 3D and that was super interesting

they pretty much changed the entire game's artstyle

it's the same cartoony 3D you mention

[gaunt marten]

I hate this

[fresh bane]

[fresh bane]

heyyy yeah that looks really really good actually

more games need to do this kind of thing I love it

[rancid herald]

I wish they'd remake the oracles games in that style

[river veldt]

me too :c

[slim thorn]

Tunic did it better

[fresh bane]

I remember trying out the Oracle games but they were too old for me, I found them way too limited in their gameplay to be fun for me

[rancid herald]

that's just the furry in you, Ixrec, saying that

[fresh bane]

You know what? Sure, this looks gorgeous

[rancid herald]

I got them when it first came out but it was a bit too much for me as a child

[fresh bane]

A game with a simple-ish artstyle and visuals that still looks gorgeous and won't make my computer go on fire pog

[slim thorn]

I remember when Ori came out and I basically went "you had me at 'metroidvania' and 'pretty'"

nowadays that's like the #1 thing indie devs do better

[gaunt marten]

Ori 2 killed my GPU

[fresh bane]

Is Hades hand-drawn or is it 3D?

I didn't play that one so I don't know but it came up in my head as an example of a pretty indie game

[rancid herald]

Pretty sure it's just 3d with a non-physics based rendering system

[gaunt marten]

It's 3D but a lot of the heavy lifting is done with 2D portraits when people talk

[fresh bane]

I see I see

Oh, Sifu is a pretty good example of a beautiful looking indie game

[gaunt marten]

I don't know

[slim thorn]

Ico and Shadow of the Collossus are some of the cliche examples

I'm not quite sure if Okami counts

[river veldt]

i think Binding of Isaac looks really nice

[gaunt marten]

If a game releases on consoles first and then later makes a PC I have a hard time thinking about it as indie because of the resources required

[gaunt marten]

No the Binding of Isaac looks intentionally bad

[fresh bane]

I do! The game has a fantastic artstyle

[gaunt marten]

Yes it looks good. But is it Indie?

[fresh bane]

Yeah

Sloclap is the developer

The game only recently released on Steam it was Epic exclusive for a bit

[fresh bane]

To be fair SotC is a PS2 game, but a beautiful looking one at that

Hell I still hold the opinion that games like Silent Hill 3 look great even today

[gaunt marten]

Silent Hill has an extremely short render distance, allowing it to focus on making the limited view area look a lot better

[fresh bane]

https://tenor.com/view/heather-heather-mason-cheryl-mason-cheryl-silent-hill-gif-22316491

[gaunt marten]

https://youtu.be/PI7EsNJoAdw

[fresh bane]

and it looks very good

SH3 has some impressive facial animations for the PS2

yeah the fog is infamously well known for being there as a way to compensate for limitations on render distance

Silent Hill 3's fog is the most oppressive in all games I think

[green fulcrum]

The f*ck is that facial animation, lol

She looks like she's about to laugh

But trying not to

[fresh bane]

That's exactly what's happening

It's pretty good

She's sarcastic laughing

[green fulcrum]

...Oh. Well then, I stand corrected.

[fresh bane]

Can you believe this is a PS2 game?

[green fulcrum]

Yes

[river veldt]

yes

[fresh bane]

Came out in 2000 and fuckin 3

Crazy

[hasty patio]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/544610/Battlestar_Galactica_Deadlock/ Free until the 9th.

Steam

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Recommendations

2116

Metacritic

77

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[quiet swift]

https://www.siliconera.com/all-tales-of-symphonia-anime-episodes-available-on-youtube-for-free/

[thorny loom]

@wind stump

https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/dying-light

Free

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1244460/Jurassic_World_Evolution_2/

Steam

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14794

Metacritic

77

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@quiet swift were you wanting this. You have the first one

[wind stump]

balanced monke

though xx5 Sniper getting a flat MOAB damage buff in the new patch helps a lot, too

No longer feel forced to go 205 when using Elite

[gaunt marten]

I always do strongest with sniper monkeys unless they have the chaingun upgrade

Don't wanna waste damage

[wind stump]

They nerfed 105/205 Sniper's MOAB damage

Which makes 025 more viable, at least

(Though Camo Leads are still a bitch, that's what the middle tree is for IMO with a neat 250)

That shouldn't matter too much outside of Military Monkeys only and specific challenge runs

[grim stirrup]

top path is good for ceramics too

or boss bloons

[wind stump]

Ja ja

Top path is amazing for dealing all of the DAMAGE

namely pinning down the helpless moab while an Elite Defender shreds the small fry and the Gatling Gunner wonders why they exist

[fresh bane]

https://youtu.be/SqI_Vb-uwAE

I love how the TF2 voice actors love interacting with the community

[untold vigil]

WHAT DO I DO

Girls

[arctic fern]

It's simple, you stab them

With your thingy

[slim thorn]

that's a different girl

[untold vigil]

. . . Getting a little ahread of ourselves

[dire gate]

Wow people play bloons td

[arctic fern]

Yes

[dire gate]

Monke

[quiet swift]

Listen to the message of god that is clearly beaming down on you

[green fulcrum]

I assume that you've seen it, so I'll ask: how good is it? All I know is that there's a game and it's an RPG of some sort (and has a decent soundtrack). I never really paid too much attention to it beyond that.

[untold vigil]

The game or the anime?

(The game I can speak to being amazing)

[green fulcrum]

The anime in this case

[quiet swift]

I actually haven't, I just know that someone was playing a Tales game and just saw that news on my feed

[green fulcrum]

Hmmm...it's only 11 episodes. Blah. Was hoping for something a lot longer than that (then again, most animes aren't One Piece or Dragonball, and aren't long-runners).

Meh, oh well.

[quiet swift]

If you want an rpg game anime you should watch sword art online

[slim thorn]

ok, let's finally do some more VA-11 Hall-A after I dunno two weeks of not touching it

I want... I dunno, I normally drink tea.

[grim stirrup]

nahnahnah, gotta be log horizon

[slim thorn]

A drink that's soft, but not a soft drink

oh, I think that's another perfect for day 2

[dire gate]

Hmm

I just checked my record for BTD6

I played a bit of it

A little bit, you know

[quiet swift]

So in p4g i'm wondering if there's a benefit to a certain answer about eating a specific piece of food, so I google it

And, uh.

[river veldt]

[untold vigil]

lmaoooooo

You should always eat Out your girlfriend come on

[quiet swift]

[slim thorn]

saw that coming before I scrolled down

[untold vigil]

It's me

You can just eat Yosuke normally, fuck him

[quiet swift]

...Yukiko considering murder

[untold vigil]

we stan

[slim thorn]

ok, I'm liking the cyborg catgirl ojou-sama

[dire gate]

ngl

I didn't expect you playing it in Japanese

[slim thorn]

why would I not

[dire gate]

Well

I usually only play games in Japanese if it's a Japanese game

Interesting choice indeed

[white phoenix]

including games like mgs, resident evil, and dmc?

[slim thorn]

this feels pretty Japanese-y to me lol

I played the RE2+4 remakes with JP voices

[dire gate]

Yeah I think the creator is like

weeb

But like seriously, yes, I think they said so

My usual rule is to just stick with the original language unless I can't

I have very rare exceptions unless the original language is one I can't understand

[slim thorn]

weirdly I've run into multiple cases where I couldn't find out what "the original language" even was

though in this case apparently I just guessed wrong

but who cares it might as well be "a Japanese game"

[dire gate]

lol

The creator is Argentine iirc

[slim thorn]

the dev company is based in Venezuela apparently

[dire gate]

Oh

Venezuela

Yeah I remember that

I was only remembering like

"That one country in South America with some political issues"

Which I guess barely narrows down

I think the game was originally English, so while Venezuelan people speak Spanish I consider English as original

I may be wrong that part though, it may have been originally Spanish

[slim thorn]

Japanese media ends up with a lot of not-Japanese language stuff amusingly

I was so confused when I tested my Rondo of Blood ROM and all the intro voices were German

[dire gate]

Can't deny that a lot of Anime-ish stuff just feels so right with Japanese

That's probably why some Anime-ish mobile games developed in Korea/China actually use Japanese VAs

[white phoenix]

now that you say that, it seems like heresy that I played persona 5, a japanese game with japanese characters set in tokyo, with the english dub

[dire gate]

I'm not against dubs, I think they are cool and very accessible, it's just that it's usually not for me

[white phoenix]

yeah I get it

[dire gate]

Unless they fuck up seriously

Like

You know

Jelly filled donuts

[slim thorn]

I also tend to favor English again if any non-JP speakers are expected to be watching

but Vallhalla's not much of a spectator game

[dire gate]

ngl, I do have a great fear of mistranslations

Translations sometimes...just don't work very well

[gaunt marten]

I am against dubs. Give me either subs or trips please.

[river veldt]

what the hell are we talking about in here

the political state of South America what?

[slim thorn]

my experience is that modern games almost always have solid translation quality, but there are still times when I understand what's going on just a little better in the original language

[river veldt]

oh chat didn't scroll

[dire gate]

[slim thorn]

nah I'm just playing a game set in a dystopian post-cryptocurrency Venezuela /s

[dire gate]

Well, uhh...

How I would say is that the content is usually delivered well

Context is often not

[slim thorn]

the most common "problem" I run into is an arguably too literal translation, like when I watch Tale play Persona half the time I can tell what the JP probably was because the EN phrasing is just odd enough

Chie's English VA is god-tier though

[white phoenix]

persona english dubs are all pretty top tier, but yeah, you do still see cracks in the translation

[slim thorn]

okay, that's the end of day 3, so 1.5 days got done, that should be good enough for one session

[fresh bane]

That specific string of words is like music to my ears

[chilly mural]

question for people who beat Va-11 Ha-11-a || Is there multiple different endings?||

[gaunt marten]

Yep!

[chilly mural]

word

[craggy vine]

Why is L4D2 mastered so loud

To the point of just having distortion

TF2 is the worst for it. Just play MvM ghost town.

Going from doom eternal to L4D2 I had to turn down 10dB

[quiet swift]

Ooh. The most recent patch for Wild Hearts seems to have fixed a lot of performance issues. (though causes a few rare people to crash)

[slim thorn]

bonus subtext: the last time I read a something-punk visual novel with a cyborg catgirl, I ended up translating it

[slim thorn]

the nico nico douga-style flying comments definitely feel more right in JP

[thorny loom]

https://news.yahoo.com/emulators-xbox-series-x-being-215055325.html

Dev mode emulation is okay. Retail mode is not

[astral field]

TF2 is extremely loud, yeah. I have to turn my volume down when I play it.

[visual hill]

TF2 MvM pretty much needs a dedicated volume setting compared to PvP modes

both for general game sounds, but also your hit sound as you'll hear it far more often

ding aling aling

[gaunt marten]

https://i.redd.it/12wk2h9pw2sa1.png

[visual hill]

I gotta install the combustible lemons mod, and the exploding kirins mod, and the…

[gaunt marten]

Ah sorry, hold on

There

[fresh bane]

Source games be wildin

That's why

[fresh bane]

Exploding what mod

[wind stump]

WOO! TAX EVASION!

[quiet swift]

[gaunt marten]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/UGGQxTEIFq24PaL4RT_dkct_D2lTJIPW0XDBRLQ7XgE/https/i.redd.it/sjrxomwyoesa1.jpg

True story. When Hidetaka Miyazaki first heard of people beating Dark Souls 1 without leveling up, he and the studio did not believe it was possible

Afterwards they were very impressed

https://redd.it/1n7on1

[fresh bane]

I wonder what Miyazaki would think of the people who say that unless you beat the entire game solo with no summons or OP weapons then you didn't really finish the game

[gaunt marten]

They need help

[fresh bane]

Seems like he either didn't intend to/didn't think players would ever really be able to finish his games with this insane level of handicaps/challenges or he either heavily underestimated players

[gaunt marten]

If they didn't want you to beat the game with the help of summons or specific weapons they would simply not put them in

[fresh bane]

Either way if he was impressed by a SL1 run which was something I thought was always part of the game design or intended for the more pro players then it does make me wonder just how hard he really wants these games to be

[gaunt marten]

It's supposed to feel punishing, but not be punishing

That's why all sorts of difficulty mitigation systems are in the game

[wind stump]

ngl that sounds pretty gay.

[untold vigil]

YES

That was specifically the moment I was thinking of

Legendary best girl certified homosexuality™️

[wind stump]

The fact she uses her full name as well

[untold vigil]

Beautiful

[fresh bane]

wheeeew

das a big gal

[river veldt]

yep !

Ganondorf's horse

[wind stump]

that's a lot of hearts

[thorny loom]

Thicc horse

[fresh bane]

wait until you see my stamina bar

[fresh bane]

I can tell, she's really giving me trouble riding her

she's having none of it

[wind stump]

Capitalism, ho!

[gaunt marten]

Collecting bananas from monkey farms is my least favorite part of the game

That's why I usually turn my farms to banks even if it's inefficient

[wind stump]

It's why I invested into bottom path

That and Merchantmen synergy

[fresh bane]

After a million chests I finally get one nice thing

mom get the camera!

[wind stump]

THE POWERRRRRRR

[fresh bane]

it's too much capitalism

Shut it off Otto!!

[dire gate]

Good thing about BTD6 is that it is easy to clear most maps if you know the basic stuffs

Starts becoming hard if you want to do your own things

Or try very hard map with very high difficulties

[wind stump]

jesus i just put this dude down

[dire gate]

I think I only reached like

250 something round before

Probably can do better now

[wind stump]

gonna go for a BEEG PARAGON

[dire gate]

Yeee Paragons

Ace Paragon is extremely stronk

But very expensive

[wind stump]

I forget, how do I get bigger Paragons?

[dire gate]

You may want more farms for beeg paragons

Get all t5s, get more pops for them, place more monkes and upgrade them

https://bloons.fandom.com/wiki/Paragons

[wind stump]

26 Paragon baybee

GOOD LORD

[dire gate]

I like how easy it is to spam things after you get enough farms

But then the game ramps so hardcore after certain rounds

[wind stump]

I just realised I have 850 lives from Monkey Wall Street

[dire gate]

Which is barely a thing at that stage of the game

You leak like one ddt and you insta die anyway

You can get like 2000 lives and die even before you realize

[quiet swift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa6SeTcmzd4

[wind stump]

Seeing is overrated.

[dire gate]

If you already unlocked it, the boat paragon is very good to have late game

[wind stump]

Hehehehhehe

36 Paragon bote

[dire gate]

Yee

That one kills BAD instantly

OPOP

[untold vigil]

Holy SHIT

(Nobody else plays arknights but I'm proud of this god dammit)

Perfect Toron Mine run

[visual hill]

level 100!!1

[dense crypt]

nice

[fresh bane]

https://twitter.com/americanmcgee/status/1644438260087922688?

⚓ American McGee 🏴‍☠️ (@americanmcgee)

Alice: Asylum has reached The End

After several weeks of review, EA has come back with a response regarding funding and/or licensing for "Alice: Asylum" - Alice had a good run but the dream is over.

https://t.co/hyprIq9MpE

#gamedev #aliceasylum

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Shortly after the completion of the Design Bible, I resumed talks with Electronic Arts regarding our efforts to get a new game made. They were presented with the Design Bible and a Production Plan (produced in collaboration with Virtuos Games) outlining the schedule, budget, team, and design for the new game's production.

After several weeks of review, EA has come back with a response regarding funding and/or licensing for "Alice: Asylum"

On the question of funding, they have ultimately decided to pass on the project based on an internal analysis of the IP, market conditions, and details of the production proposal. On the question of licensing, they replied that "Alice" is an important part of EA’s overall game catalog, and selling or licensing it isn’t something they’re prepared to do right now.

[visual hill]

American McGee's Existential Nightmare

[fresh bane]

EA: No, we don't want to make or fund an Alice game. Also fuck you, nobody else gets to make an Alice game ever.

[quiet swift]

On the topic of EA. I saw a post on imgur with the penguin meme, saying "EA BANNED ME FOR SAYING MY TEAMMATE'S NAME". Name was tumble weed, and banned for drug reference.
Now, I don't disagree that this is maybe excessive for the word weed, but... he posted in the comments how he was banned for 168 hours, so a week

So I checked my work computer... would you look at that, previous strikes on his account for toxic behavior!

But no, it's clearly all "raaa ban for no reason burn them down"

[sudden magnet]

https://unrailed-game.com/

Unrailed! Yes, the exclamation point is part of the name.

What a curious name for a very fun game.

It's pretty fun in single player too with your robot assistant.

[thorny loom]

https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/articles.html/community-crunch-356-ark-roadmap-update-rhyniognatha-concept-and-more-r2078/

wildcard seems to fix the backlash they bundled the dlc into the main purchase

[gaunt marten]

New features

https://i.imgur.com/28SHAIs.png

Steam now teaches you how verifying game files works and also has a new functionality to create a backup for the game

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/0C48-FCBD-DA71-93EB Overlay

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4593-5CB7-DC3C-64F0 Backup

Many games that use third party installers or downloaders will not work with Steam's backup feature. This includes many MMO style or third party free to play titles. Only games that completely download, install, and patch through Steam are compatible with this tool.

[craggy vine]

Being able to move the installed game easily is cool too

[fresh bane]

https://youtu.be/DxvvGeXMgrQ

Seems like a bit much to make a whole video about it, are people making a fuss over this?

It's really nothing new and people shouldn't be surprised

[random steppe]

It's good that they give capcom shit over this

[river veldt]

they need clicks

[random steppe]

They should make a bigger fuss

Their mtx have been terrible for a long time now

They repeatedly undermine their own excellent games for this shit

[gaunt marten]

Regardless of how new it is, it's bad

[random steppe]

That said I won't watch a Yong Yea video, that guy is annoying, but he is right

[fresh bane]

I'm not saying it's good I'm saying people shouldn't act surprised or outraged when they've done this before

I don't remember people making a huge fuss about it before like with RE2 or DMC5

[random steppe]

Yeah, but the problem isn't that they are making a fuss now, but that they didn't back then

Be madder when companies make games worse

[gaunt marten]

The really sneaky and underhanded thing is the company waited for good reviews before later adding the microtransactions

[random steppe]

Silently accepting Overwatch loot boxes is what made games worse and kickstarted the godawful trend

[fresh bane]

As much as I hate microtransactions I really don't give a shit about these ones because they only really ruin the experience of those who buy them

[gaunt marten]

They also make my experience worse by existing

[fresh bane]

Mercenaries is a free update as it should be, anything else I don't really care, if someone wants to unlock shit immediately and they don't wanna put the hours in that's on them

[gaunt marten]

It feels bad to be constantly sold things despite already paying for the product

[fresh bane]

You're already paying for the full product and a free mode update

[random steppe]

I am not confident that they won't make the games shittier in order to sell the fix.
Ubisoft did it with their exp boosters in Odyssey

[fresh bane]

The microtransactions aren't more of the product in this case it's unlockable stuff that you'd get by playing

[gaunt marten]

This sort of cheat code should come free with the game.

[fresh bane]

I'm not saying it's 'good' microtransactions, but I really don't give a shit about these myself so long as it's not locking content behind a paywall even though people already paid for the game to begin with

That's a different argument

How many games really have done cheat codes like that lately

[river veldt]

has Mercenaries come out yet

[gaunt marten]

Not so many now that selling them is viable

[fresh bane]

Even when they aren't selling them separately cheat codes just aren't as much of a thing anymore

[gaunt marten]

Yes. That's because cheat codes are often just developer debug tools that don't get taken out

[random steppe]

Like, if I can sell you an upgrade kit, maybe I should make upgrade kits in the game harder to obtain

The incentive is too great and I don't trust them

[fresh bane]

Well, like I said before in this case it's really not anything that affects the base game at all nor does it really offer any new content, it's just unlocking shit early for people who don't wanna do it the legit way, if it ruins anything it's just ruining the experience of that person so it doesn't bother me in the slightest

[random steppe]

You don't know if it affected the game tho

[gaunt marten]

Odds are it does affect the game balance

[fresh bane]

I have no reason to believe it affected the game unless people start digging into the game and proving it

The same way I have no reason to believe the microtransactions in DMC5 affected that game or the ones in RE2

[gaunt marten]

How would they prove it? There's no data you can find

The devs simply decide to make the game harder to sell cheat codes. There's no data to dig up

[fresh bane]

You really underestimate people on the internet overanalyzing every aspect of a game, if the game just suddenly got harder even on Normal difficulty people would immediately tell

especially with a game this fresh

[gaunt marten]

The game doesn't have get harder after release

[random steppe]

I will make an example for DMC 5 since I know the game better

They have those red orb packs.

What if at some point in development, execs told the dev team to make all the skills cost 20% more red orbs because they planned to sell that pack.

You can't know if that influenced the final product

[gaunt marten]

It gets harder before release

There's no evidence to find because the decision was made before the game was made

[fresh bane]

That seems like a huge stretch of an argument to make considering nobody really felt the need to ever use the DMC5 microtransactions nor anyone ever felt like skills cost too much (even in the early DMC games you'd barely have enough to buy all skills at the end of the game if you didn't replay missions), and I didn't hear anything about the difficulties in RE4 being wrong at all

[random steppe]

Maybe it's slight or for the moment, non existent in campcom games.
But we know some companies do this, and I would be surprised if Capcom eventually didn't join in.

[fresh bane]

Nobody is really going to feel the need to have to dump money to get the special upgrades like nobody is going to buy the red orbs in DMC5 unless they just straight up don't wanna play through that much of the game and want an easy way out

If they did go overboard then yeah but the way it is now? It's really not a big deal

[gaunt marten]

People typically do feel the need to pay for microtransactions. That's why they put them in

[fresh bane]

Still would prefer if they didn't do it but we know that's not gonna happen

[fresh bane]

That's weird because not a whole lot of people even know these games even have microtransactions

That's how little they affect the game

[gaunt marten]

If they never sold they simply wouldn't put the effort of implementing them into the game, so obviously they are sold in large quantities

[random steppe]

They are incentivised to make unlocking things a chore.
We know that Ubisoft did it in Odyssey
We know that EA did it in battlefront 2

It happened over and over

[fresh bane]

The games don't even have any weird horrible gacha pop up type thing where they tell you all the time ''hey there's microtransactions!!''

they're tucked away in the DLC corner on the Steam page and 90% of people don't even know they exist

[gaunt marten]

Microtransactions are bad regardless of how much they are pushed

[fresh bane]

I'm not disagreeing with that, I'm just explaining why I don't give a shit about these ones because they're inconsequential

Most people don't even know they exist unless you point it out to them and even more people don't really ever feel like they need them and it only affects the experience of the people who buy them, when it comes down to how horrible microtransactions can get and how much they can hinder the experience this really isn't that big of a deal even though I wish they didn't exist

[random steppe]

I don't know if you can say that, the only way to tell would be to analyse how long it took to unlock everything before and after they started introducing those MTX in their games.
Anecdotally I felt DMC 4 and especially 5 were more grindy on that front than past entries, but I don't have hard data to be able to tell.

It might just be that I am older and have less tolerance to grind missions for orbs

[gaunt marten]

Sometimes the game is simply designed from the start to be just long enough that people tolerate the grind, but some people decide to pay up.

They estimate this using the free time people have and their spending habits.

[fresh bane]

I seriously doubt that these games were ever designed with the microtransactions being a core part of the experience in mind, meaning I really doubt they balanced or designed these games so people would default to wanting to buy the microtransactions at all

[gaunt marten]

Why would they not design the game with every element of the game in mind?

[fresh bane]

There's really no point in theorizing about that because neither has any proof of anything

[gaunt marten]

There is a point

The existence of microtransactions is a perverse incentive to make the game worse. Calling for the incentive to be removed is important because it has the potential to make games better.

[random steppe]

It's impossible to tell if they did, but if they put something you can buy, they would want as many people as possibile to buy it, that only makes sense to me

[fresh bane]

I'm not disagreeing with that nor am I even disagreeing with any opinions you two have on microtransactions

I just said I don't care about these and that people shouldn't act surprised because they never really talked about them with RE2 or RE3, which also says to me that most people didn't even know these microtransactions existed meaning not that many people really got them to begin with because they're super inconsequential, that's all

[random steppe]

I don't know if they are acting surprised or just calling them on their obvious bullshit, as they should and as they should have in previous entries too

[fresh bane]

Whether or not they affected the game during development it's impossible to tell and there's not much of a point in arguing about something we have no info on, plus my personal opinion being that it didn't affect the games at all because the games are just fine when it comes to balancing and pacing etc etc

They should've before, sure, but they didn't and that's my point

I still wish they never were a thing at all

[random steppe]

No that's my point, that it's awesome to see people wake up to Capcom terrible bullshit

Hope they do it more

[fresh bane]

But we've all seen how predatory and in your face microtransactions can get, this is about as tame as it gets with microtransactions, unlocking all unlockable material like extra modes or gallery stuff or outfits or upgrades and what not, it's super pay to win when it comes to gameplay mechanics but I'm not the one buying them so it doesn't affect me

I doubt Capcom is gonna do anything about it really

[random steppe]

I yelled at Blizzard for years before the OW2 disaster and it's always good to see people catch up

[gaunt marten]

Any microtransactions deserve pushback. Not just the really bad ones

[fresh bane]

To be fair everyone has been yelling at Blizzard for a while now

[river veldt]

https://twitter.com/gonintendotweet/status/1644421441998188549?s=46

GoNintendoTweet (@GoNintendoTweet)

Monster Energy goes after Capcom and Pokémon Co. over use of the word 'Monster' https://t.co/hVegsU6BWO

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?

[teal sonnet]

that sure is a marketing thing

100% just for marketing

[gaunt marten]

To me this reads like a joke

Because Monster has actually sued an indie company for their use of the word monster

https://www.dexerto.com/gaming/monster-energy-indie-game-lawsuit-2104525/

[thorny loom]

People have been mentioning it before but they’ve been doing this since remake 2

[gaunt marten]

https://i.imgur.com/ZrEOORB.png

Neat feature. Turns out you have to find and enable it in the settings or else it won't be useful unless you have multiple computers personally

[fresh bane]

Just a funny 'joke' you guys

[slim thorn]

...did we seriously spend hours going in circles over what an ethical microtransaction is?

I thought everyone had collectively settled on "any non-cosmetic mtx is bad even in single player because it incentivizes bad game balance" years ago

I think Dead Space 3's release was when I learned it

yeah that was literally a decade ago

[random steppe]

That was about half an hour but yes, I am passionate about that

[slim thorn]

right, not denying it's an important topic, it's the circling around what I thought were long-discarded arguments that was weird

the only new part I saw was that they added the mtx post-release (which probably isn't new, I just never play the kinds of games that get the worst of it)

[random steppe]

That has been an Activision special in recent years

In COD if I recall correctly

[astral field]

Plus, old arguments about video games and micro transactions are old to us, but not to a new generation of teenagers and young adults who haven't participated in those arguments before. To some, they may be seeing this argument for the first time.

[slim thorn]

are Gen and Nire much younger than I thought?

[quiet swift]

[insert YOUTHS!.gif here]

[random steppe]

I'm not young, I am just mad forever about microtransactions

I'll take it to the grave

[visual hill]

I remember Deus Ex: Mankind Divided shipping with those

[random steppe]

SE is also strongly on the shitlist
Just because they made FFXIV they don't get a pass, they are one of the scummiest companies around

And yeah, their Deus Ex games are a great example of single player games with shitty monetisation

[slim thorn]

I would likely be madder if I played more of the games affected

[visual hill]

can't wait for their remake of the OG game, where you have to buy BE refills with real money

[slim thorn]

for me it's just one more trend in a huge cluster of trends that made me steer away from most of the AAA space

feels about as pointless to complain about mtx as it would be to complain that everyone but me is obsessed with multiplayer

[random steppe]

SE don't seem to go too hard on cash grab remakes for the moment at least, the only one that wasn't just an update to make it playable on modern hardware is FF7 and that seems to be a complete reboot.

They are into reboots, that's true

Tomb Raider, Deus Ex, Thief.
They did a lot of those

But generally not that many remasters or remakes that have monetisation on them

FF9, 8, 10 and 12 all have remasters that are just the game with a few extra features and some updated textures, but nothin applied on top of it to my knowledge

Nevermind that now they don't own the Deus Ex ip anymore so that ship has sailed, luckily

[fickle garnet]

I bought resident evil 4 yesterday

[slim thorn]

Deus Ex needs a more committed owner anyway; they still haven't even finished the main trilogy they were teasing

[fresh bane]

depends on how young you think I am

I'm 19

[fresh bane]

I hope they never remake the original Deus Ex tbh

I very much think that game is excellent the way it is, especially the goofy voice acting

[visual hill]

I spill my drink!

[slim thorn]

I'd actually go the other way, DE is one of the few games where I could see a plausible "needs a remake" argument, because so many people feel that no other game since, not even later DEs, has captured that same feeling of freedom of player choice

(I think Prey (2017) did but oh well)

[fresh bane]

I'd argue that that's exactly why I don't want a remake of Deus Ex (2000)

The feeling of freedom for the player in that game is unmatched and a remake would certainly mess it up I have no doubt

I don't know much about the 'new' Deus Ex games or what the opinion on those is so I don't wanna really comment on it but I'm just certain that a remake of that game wouldn't be as.... detailed? I guess you can say

[river veldt]

what even is Deus Ex

[fresh bane]

Oh my god JC, a bomb!

[chilly mural]

a bomb?!

[fresh bane]

smacc ''what a shame.''

[chilly mural]

he was a good man

what a rotten way to die

[slim thorn]

if serious, this is the only good answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H1yVWHRu5I

[wind stump]

God dammit, a REAL BANGER of a song is playing in Nikke and I want to know the name of it for future use

horny android game or not
the music GOES FUCKING HARD

[gaunt marten]

I also think any cosmetic microtransaction is bad.

[crude crow]

tf2 is a fair game with no bots

[hushed onyx]

One of the few games I’ve finished for real.

[fresh bane]

Also known as the game that predicted everything

https://youtu.be/C8kZ3HfeqtA

back in the 2000s people may have thought this was all conspiracy theorist paranoid ramblings, nowadays not so much

''Some people just don't understand the dangers of indiscriminate surveillance."

It's just like MGS2 with the internet and misinformation and the control over history information and media

[random steppe]

This is still mostly conspiracy theory nonsense, they mostly guessed that corporations would have become bigger...no shit sherlock