general gaming

[river veldt]

ive already done all the shrines

[rancid herald]

you can parry?

[river veldt]

except the Champion's Ballad ones which im doing right now

[fresh bane]

eh parry is mostly for bosses or projectile based enemies

[river veldt]

shield parry? yeag

[rancid herald]

oh shields

the main way to defeat guardians

[river veldt]

shield parrying if you get it down can take care of Guardians real easily

yeah

[fresh bane]

I just beat the shit out of the guardians

[rancid herald]

well, that and going ham with a big sword

[fresh bane]

with a sword bigger than my body

[rancid herald]

"So anyway, I started chopping"

[river veldt]

yeah but shield parrying looks cool

[fresh bane]

https://youtu.be/q1VhYzxC1KA

[river veldt]

???

the shrine in Kakariko Village literally teaches you this

[fresh bane]

she straight up finds the tutorials like halfway through the game and had no idea you can sidehop or backflip or parry

[river veldt]

OH

lol

[slim thorn]

I often find tutorials long after I've figured out what they're trying to tell me

side hopping I probably knew from previous Zeldas

[river veldt]

god

not too long till TotK

[rancid herald]

I find the problem with tutorials is that when you need it, you've long since forgot it

[fresh bane]

I mean BOTW doesn't have that many complex mechanics or controls as it is so it was never a problem for me

[river veldt]

7 more weeks

[slim thorn]

sometimes that's a tutorial issue, sometimes it's the mechanic not being useful or used enough

[fresh bane]

3D Zelda has maintained pretty consistent mechanics since like... Ocarina of Time

[rancid herald]

that's what I mean

the mechanic not being used enough

[fresh bane]

Which is why I think a souls like Zelda would be fire

[slim thorn]

there are a lot of games with nearly useless mechanics though

like, far more often than the reverse / a "missing" mechanic

[rancid herald]

like in twilight princess you're taught a bunch of moves... I never used them

[fresh bane]

I don't think I never not used any of BOTW's mechanics

[river veldt]

i use all of them all the time

[fresh bane]

Probably riding your shield but even then I always used that when I find a steep hill or mountain drop

[river veldt]

shield surfing is so much fun omg

[slim thorn]

some of the later Assassin's Creeds I played were textbook examples of piling on new stuff that doesn't serve any purpose because the core combat was still too easy

[fresh bane]

I think the only thing I mostly don't do is drop my weapons, as in throw them, so I never use that

[slim thorn]

wait, riding your shield?

[rancid herald]

shield surfing is a perfect example

[river veldt]

yeah

[rancid herald]

there's no reason to use it and it destroys your shield

[river veldt]

like Legolas in Two Towers

[river veldt]

yeag but it's cool

[fresh bane]

it's fun

that's all that matters

it's not like weapons and shields are durable anyways lol

[river veldt]

also the Hylian Shield practically never breaks

[slim thorn]

yeah this game was clearly made for you and not me lol

[river veldt]

i think ive had the Hylian Shield break on me like

[rancid herald]

yeah but getting it is a pain

[river veldt]

twice in the 6 years ive been playing this game

[rancid herald]

idk I hope they improve a lot of this stuff

[fresh bane]

Once you have like 3 of the same shield you start to not give a shit about having a little fun going down a super steep mountain on your shield at high speeds

[river veldt]

not really, beating a Stalnox with like 6 hearts and a lot of arrows and some semi good weapons is really easy

the hard part is getting in Hyrule Castle without running into any Guardians

and even then you can probably outrun them if you have a horse

[fresh bane]

so long as there's not more than one they're super easy to parry

they're trivialized more if you have ancient arrows

[river veldt]

i dont really fight Guardians early game tbh

i wait to actually fight them until i have at least basic Lynel gear

[fresh bane]

I'm mostly talking about when you go into the castle

which is usually pretty late game

[river veldt]

oh ok

[slim thorn]

you two are playing a completely different game from whatever I finished

[river veldt]

i was talking about the Guardians that roam around Hyrule Field

[fresh bane]

nah I just run away like a bitch

not worth my time

One of my funniest memories of late game BOTW when I'm at a point where I'm just having fun and not giving a shit about anything is outrunning the guardians on Hyrule Field while they shoot lasers at me and shit is exploding around me and I'm just on my bike

doing drifts and shit

[river veldt]

i dont really use the bike

i have too much emotional attachment to Epona lol

[fresh bane]

I use it for fun but honestly I usually tend to not even use the horse most of the time because when I'm doing quests I just teleport everywhere anyway

I also got the ancient seat thing for the horse so she can come with me everywhere now

[river veldt]

horse fans unite

[fresh bane]

Her name is Tenten

yeyeyeye I got a bunch of costumes on this save file I forgot

[arctic fern]

nice

[thorny loom]

Isnt dark link zelda 2

Or did he show up after

[arctic fern]

theres been a dark link in most of the mainline zelda games, but i think 2 was his first appearance

[river veldt]

yes

he was the final boss of Zelda II and a boss in Ocarina of Time

[fresh bane]

target(s) acquired

[river veldt]

i feel like he was in other games too..

[fresh bane]

yeah he was a boss in zelda 2 but I think the most well known dark link came from oot

[river veldt]

was he in Twilight Princess???

[arctic fern]

...not as a boss

he appeared in cutscene i think

[river veldt]

o ok

he was also in Oracle of Ages and Spirit Tracks

oh wait

in Zelda II it wasn't Dark Link it was Shadow Link

[arctic fern]

they're effectively the same, right?

[river veldt]

no one cares about the distinction but me

yes

[arctic fern]

all forms of dark/shadow link are different chars anyway, in 2 it was gannon

[fresh bane]

bitch ass guardians annihilated
(nevermind the rising blood moon in the background signifying my impending doom)

[river veldt]

no in II it was Link's final test to acquire the Triforce of Power and he represents the evil within Link and Link overcoming Shadow Link proves his worthiness

[fresh bane]

Yesn't there were Dark Links in TP but I think they were placeholders for a different type of creature(s)

[river veldt]

oops it was Triforce of Courage not Triforce of Power

FAKE ZELDA FAN ALERT

[arctic fern]

thye were a representation of the shadow tribe or whatever, he evil wizards who tried to take over the sacred realm or whatever

[fresh bane]

Dark Link shows up in Spirit Tracks as an enemy I think

but other than that I think it's just OOT

[river veldt]

yes

and the Oracle games

the final boss of Zelda II is a really cool idea fighting an enemy that shares all your moves but it wasn't a very good battle because you can cheese him out by crouching in the bottom left and stabbing

it was better in OoT

[slim thorn]

isn't OoT's also cheeseable?

[river veldt]

probably

[arctic fern]

so was zelda 2

oh you just said that

[slim thorn]

usually in these games I try not to do things that feel cheesy unless the game makes it obvious that cheese is the point by making the enemy better in every "fair" way

[river veldt]

yeah lol

[arctic fern]

i wasnt paying attention

[river veldt]

lol ur good

[river veldt]

i dont like cheesing

especially in Zelda because i roleplay as Link

[slim thorn]

it's generally not fun unless it's the intended solution

[fresh bane]

meanwhile me on my first playthrough of Dark Souls cheesing the Sif boss fight from outside the arena shooting a million arrows at her

[slim thorn]

like in Ninja Gaiden I try to avoid flying swallow for any enemy that can reasonably be fought with just the core dodge, block and slash moves

[river veldt]

the NES game???

[slim thorn]

you know I always mean the console one lol

[river veldt]

no i dont i forgor

also the NES is a console

[slim thorn]

I actually know nothing about the older ones

no one ever talks about those

[rancid herald]

I think dark link shows up in the water temple in OoT

[river veldt]

the original Ninja Gaiden is hard af

[river veldt]

yes

no wait

isn't it the Shadow Temple

[slim thorn]

...ok that was a very strange thing my brain jumped to

[river veldt]

nope you're right Cinna

[slim thorn]

(I still have no idea what Dark Souls considers a cheese vs a legit strat)

[river veldt]

it is Water Temple

[fresh bane]

6 years later the blood moon transition/vfx is still the coolest shit

[river veldt]

yeah

also

no pro HUD

[arctic fern]

pro hud?

[river veldt]

pro HUD in BOTW gets rid of everything except hearts

[arctic fern]

why would i want that

[river veldt]

more immersive to me ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fresh bane]

why would I get rid of information like weather temperature and my divine beast buffs

[arctic fern]

yes, because realism in my game with respawning lazer firing robots s a high priority

[river veldt]

i didn't say realism? immersion and realism are different things

[slim thorn]

[arctic fern]

...right. fair enough.

[fresh bane]

I can understand getting rid of the map

....but even then I'd probably be checking the large map instead

the hud doesn't hurt my personal immersion so I keep it on

[river veldt]

idk i just like the screen not being super cluttered in a game like BOTW

[slim thorn]

I don't even remember blood moons, what does that do?

[river veldt]

i do wish the Divine Beast stuff stayed

[fresh bane]

eeeh it's honestly pretty minimal

[river veldt]

respawns all the enemies and chests

[fresh bane]

the blood moon is the memory reset so the switch doesn't fucking collapse and die in your hands /s

[rose rose]

On a technical level, it’s the garbage collector.

[river veldt]

it's Ganon's dark magicks reviving all his minions

[arctic fern]

i'd like an option where the hud shows up when the skate slate is out, like you're holding your phone

[arctic fern]

actually thats only very rarely true

[river veldt]

oh yeah there can be panic Blood Moons too

[rose rose]

Well it is always true, it’s just usually not a panic moon

[river veldt]

normally their on the lunar cycle but sometimes the game will panic for some reason and cause an emergency one

[arctic fern]

yeah those moons are memory things

[rose rose]

Under reasonable gameplay, the standard cleanup cycle is enough. Under unreasonable gameplay, a panic moon will be triggered immediately.

But it’s functionally a memory thing either way. One is just not panicking.

[dire gate]

I love how they came up with an in-game explanation of memory reset

[fresh bane]

just like in Majora's Mask

[river veldt]

i had always thought the Blood Moon was a reference to the original Zelda where enemies would respawn after a few screens

[slim thorn]

isn't that how most games with "screens" work?

[river veldt]

yes

[fresh bane]

just a little wild boy and his mare going for a leisurely stroll at night
look at that sky noodle flyin around in the background

I remember losing my mind when I first saw one of the dragons

[river veldt]

the dragons are cool af

it's looking like they're bringing Gleeok back in TotK

which is exciting

and redeads

[slim thorn]

I think I saw and tried following a dragon once but I can't remember if I was able to do anything

[arctic fern]

you can hit them with your bow to get bits from their body

[river veldt]

you can shoot them with arrows and depending on where you shoot they'll drop a horn shard or scale

yes what Mega said

you need 3 different scales for 3 different shrines

[fresh bane]

this is one of my favourite spots in BOTW's Hyrule

[river veldt]

Tarrey Town is neat

i like Hateno Village and Gerudo Town

[fresh bane]

also one of my favourite immersive activities is paying for sleep and a meal even though I don't need to and I can just hunker down next to a fire like a fucking caveman

but I still do it

supporting local communities n shid

[arctic fern]

if i do that i always pay extra for the nicer beds

[fresh bane]

once in a while I go to that nice gerudo spa for absolutely no specific reason

[river veldt]

maybe by the next game Link will be old enough to get a drink from the Gerudo Town bar

[fresh bane]

maybe that one tall gerudo will finally find love

[arctic fern]

lol

[slim thorn]

oh this village only exists if you do a sidequest that I skipped, okay

[river veldt]

yeah

it's actually one of the best places to buy stuff

[arctic fern]

oh i'd love to see minor NPCs like that come back and progress their stories, that'd be super awesome

[fresh bane]

I hope that the gerudo soldier will let you join her squad I remember her saying that they could use you in their little soldier group

[river veldt]

like if your Hylian Shield breaks Tarrey Town is the only place where you can replace it

[fresh bane]

I mean I sure hope they will continue all these npc plotlines

I was initially hoping after defeating ganon they'd let you roam around for a bit but that's not how it ended up being so I'm hoping that totk will follow up on these things

[river veldt]

im not sure which NPC story im most interested in

i didnt really get invested in too many except that ex Yiga Clan guy in Kakariko

[fresh bane]

Well, I guess since I'm here I could just do these real quick

I wonder if I already got all quests?

[river veldt]

have fun doing Trial of the Sword

also getting Tingle's clothes

[fresh bane]

I should look up all the quests inthe game and see if I have any quests that I'm missing

I got like 120 hours in this playthrough

[river veldt]

i only have 70 in my current

im probably not going to do all the side quests that sounds crazy

[fresh bane]

I hope TOTK will also improve the horse mechanics I love my horse to death but she's so stupid sometimes and so hard to control, she will also straight up not obey me sometimes

I guess it's just realistic horse mechanics

..... I shouldn't do it

[fresh bane]

perfection achieved

[river veldt]

epic

[river veldt]

what's your bond at? and what temperament does she have?

[fresh bane]

Uhhh I'm not sure I don't know how to check that

[river veldt]

go to the stable and say you want to take a horse and then the menu that comes up will tell you

[river veldt]

hmm

max bond and gentle temperament should mean she'll obey you 100% of the time

i like her mane btw it's very pretty

[fresh bane]

it happens a lot less now of course but she's still stoopid and runs into stuff all the time because the horse turn around speed is pretty slow

I actually don't remember when or where I styled her mane like that

[river veldt]

there's a stable where you can get manestyles

i cant remember which one

might have been Foothill?

[fresh bane]

Oh wow I went to this stable for the side quest and turns out
I already solved it

[fresh bane]

I think it was in South Akkala stable

that's the area I was in last time

[river veldt]

maybe

[fresh bane]

this game may not have the crispiest visuals but it's still gorgeous damn

also yeah it was totally here I remember talking to this girl

[river veldt]

yeah it's a very pretty game

[fresh bane]

ah I can't give her a different manestyle because there's only long colored manes and not braided or anything else, that sucks

[river veldt]

oooh ok

i see what you mean

i was confused because i totally remembered there being a braided one

[fresh bane]

I took off the ancient bridle because it completely covers up her face and mane and that sucks

it gives me extra speed boost but eh

[river veldt]

sHES SONPRETTY

i LOVE HROSES

[fresh bane]

horses are pretty neat

I hope they let me make her even prettier on TOTK otherwise I will send a very angry letter to Nintendo's offices

[slim thorn]

I wish games with horses had more of the actual game take place with the horse, instead of her just being a way to get from content A to content B on the overworld

[fresh bane]

Yeah even Elden Ring didn't do much with Torrent, you don't even get to play with Torrent in the final boss fight which is extremely weird because that final boss fight would be amazing with Torrent

A lot of players more often than not find themselves not using the horse after a while in BOTW especially when you start tping everywhere or explore mountains or terrain that isn't fit for the horse

[river veldt]

you use a horse when fighting Dark Beast Ganon!!!

[slim thorn]

I'm pretty sure that was my experience too

[river veldt]

that Dark Beast Ganon fight is so cool

it's just a glorified cutscene but whatever

[fresh bane]

I hope the final fight in TOTK will not be a dark beast ganon type fight lol

[river veldt]

still epic

[fresh bane]

it's not bad by any means but I just find those big setpiece battles pretty boring

[river veldt]

im hoping for a one on one sword fight with Ganondorf!!!! !!!!

[slim thorn]

nothing wrong with a heavily scripted fight

[river veldt]

like Twilight Princess or Skyward Sword!!!!

[fresh bane]

they do nothing for me personally I'd much rather the final encounter be a regular 1 on 1 encounter, even OOT did one of those with beast ganon

[slim thorn]

I assume those suffer more on replay, but we know most players are lucky to finish a game even once

[fresh bane]

https://youtu.be/87nkWPZ_UMI

this one is a cool setpiece-ish and a one on one encounter!

[river veldt]

well technically Zelda helps in the OoT one

[fresh bane]

the silhouette of ganon against the dark sky and only his yellow eyes are visible is super good

[river veldt]

ive finished this game 3, almost 4 times now and that final fight still gets me hyped

i wonder what the collectible in TotK will be

cuz we got koroks and shrines in BotW

and secret seashells in Link's Awakening and Gold Skulltulas in OoT

there are probably others im forgetting

[fresh bane]

I just hope we get some actual dungeons now that we will be exploring underground

[fresh bane]

man this goes really hard (Weekly Famitsu #179)

are video game magazines still relatively common anywhere outside Japan? Because if not we're missing out

[white phoenix]

there's the pc gamer magazine?

don't know about its print popularity

[quiet swift]

I used to read one in germany called Gamestar and they're very much still active online but I don't know if they print anymore

[fresh bane]

Yeah I'm talking about print specifically

I know digital is convenient and all but damn

[quiet swift]

It's also loads cheaper, compared to needing to print the magazines and whatnot :X

[river veldt]

i miss Nintendo Power

[light gate]

I miss video game magazines in general

Specially when you got a demo disc.

[fresh bane]

I know print media is relatively still more popular in Japan just like a lot of old tech is still prevalent and standard use in Japan but printed magazines are the one thing that I wish still stuck around

[light gate]

https://twitter.com/8bitdo/status/1637831360441360385?

8BitDo (@8BitDo)

Officially supported by Apple, 8BitDo SN30 Pro, SN30 Pro for Android, SN30 Pro+, Pro 2, Ultimate 2.4G and Lite SE are compatible with iPhone, iPad, Mac, and Apple TV now.

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8BitDo on a roll

Great controllers.

[mossy flume]

Oh nice

And yeah, I really like their new Pro controller with the Hall effect sensors. I use it whenever I’m playing Switch.

[light gate]

I hope they make transparent versions of it soon.

I have the Pro 2, works well but I would kill for their new variant with hall sensors and transparent style.

Pro 2 is pretty cool though, it has the ability to do direct input, and x input, plus switch input method and android input method.

[hushed onyx]

Play Mount and Blade 😛

[hasty patio]

Warband specifically. I'd recommend Bannerlord, but that's a much bigger game and that doesn't come with a demo AFAIK.

Just note the Warband demo is the full game, with a level cap of 7. It's possible to beat it, but very difficult.

[hushed onyx]

What does "beating" even mean...?

(Okay, technically I guess it means forming your own kingdom and conquering the whole map, but really the game is a sandbox where you just do whatever you want to do)

[hasty patio]

Not 100% whatever, but mods cover most of that.

[proud warren]

11/10 game, would again

[heady bridge]

Either Sonic the Hedgehog 2, TimeSplitters 2 or Fire Emblem: Three Houses

[uneven epoch]

fe3h for free??

[proud warren]

for a game about rubber ducks floating around in a pool, this game has its bits of humor

[hidden elbow]

I wanna play some Penumbra

[dense crypt]

Penoombruh

[slim thorn]

I used to read Game Informer, but like everything else they're digital now, and even when I read it I quickly learned to skip large sections of it

[sour hill]

Levelling up is cheese, you don't need it

[gaunt marten]

It's dark souls, pretty much nothing is cheesy, even throwing fire bombs at the Capra Demon from outside of the arena, or using pestilent mist on wolnir until he dies before the encounter starts

[sour hill]

In all seriousness, for fromsoft games imo there are two ways to think about it that make sense. Either anything that isn't a bug isn't cheese, or anything you do that makes the game not hard for you personally is cheese

[gaunt marten]

https://youtu.be/Uo0e2boM1l8

[grim stirrup]

so many people that purposefully ran elden ring spirit ashless and bitched about it being to hard (despite essentially choosing a challenge run) as a counter example

[gaunt marten]

https://i.imgur.com/YaQLDl7.png

https://i.imgur.com/aCikYXr.png

This exchange is great.

https://i.imgur.com/N32CUHE.png

[river veldt]

hahaha

[gaunt marten]

https://i.imgur.com/Dnwllei.png

"Will we be replaced by machines?"

Finally, Lief butts in, https://i.imgur.com/HV1IBCB.png

Conclusion: https://i.imgur.com/mwYuzH5.png

Dang it, image won't preview.

"You two seriously need to learn how to think less." -Vi

[slim thorn]

someone missed all the mythological stories where sons usurp their fathers

[gaunt marten]

It's a 2019 game. They didn't have Dall-E 2 back then

[arctic fern]

oh yeah btw bug fables is amazing, im shocked i only heard about it last week

it has a few flaws, sometimes its unclear where im supposed to go and i've genuinely not seen pathways multiple times, but its a crime that theres no sequel

[young creek]

Ive tried 3 times but I cant get into it despite the first two paper marios being my favorite games of all time

[graceful bridge]

https://youtu.be/kslU9ZGAGxg

[thorny loom]

So paradoxs take on the sims?

[graceful bridge]

This is absolutely a Sims competitor. Though with actual English dialogue.

Also, lesbian couple & gay couple within 30 seconds.

[thorny loom]

Lol

I remember when ea made that a dlc

[arctic fern]

paradox just be taking on EA's most profitable beloved franchises arent they?

good

EA needs some proper competition after they axed so many great game development companies lime maxis

[graceful bridge]

Ooh you can create your own town

[young creek]

looks cool but the art style is kinda throwing me off

[white phoenix]

You used to be able to do something like that in sims 3

Some of the buildings people would make are wild

Paradox going after all of maxis' things, huh

[graceful bridge]

It's more realistic, compared to Sims cartoony style.

That's going to be either a plus or a minus, depending on people's preferences.

[young creek]

its realistic but looks kinda old

like its from 2008

I dont like it

the people dont look very good

[white phoenix]

Uncanny valley feel

[gaunt marten]

They should use the "Talk to the party" button ad a "Tell me where to go." Button too

[arctic fern]

yeah

[gaunt marten]

I recall older RPGs had that, where upon pressing it you would get to choose conversation topics including "What should I do next?"

[arctic fern]

and the controls to use some of the different party abilities is inconvenient sometimes, press b to slice, hold b to dig, double tap b to dash...

i often dig when i want to dash and vice versa

[true maple]

Sounds like you need to b better

[gaunt marten]

My strategy is to attack enemies from afar with V, then stand still and switch to Kabbu before touching the enemies. That way Kabbu gets two attacks at the start of the fight

Swapping party members is unreliable unless you're standing still so that makes the timing a bit tight. Sometimes I just attack and start the fight with Vi then give her extra turn to Kabbu

[slim thorn]

in principle I like this idea, but my experience so far is that in every game that has this option, it only tells me what I already know, and doesn't help me get unstuck

[gaunt marten]

Have you played God of Wars Ragnarok? They do this best (minus the button bit)

[slim thorn]

no, dropped the original GoW and never tried any of the later ones

[random steppe]

Do you remember this? https://youtu.be/efc00p1eqso

[rancid herald]

Ew. English dialogue? Awful

[gaunt marten]

Oh yeah, I did that once

[random steppe]

I don't remember if I ever killed him that way

Maybe the 2nd way around on ng+ on my all weapon spells etc run

[gaunt marten]

Takes like a million arrows, so it's only useful if your build really can't work with Manus

[grim stirrup]

its not that arrow heavy with dex builds+good aim

so long as youre using decent arrows

[gaunt marten]

If you have a dexterity build odds are you have plenty of damage to kill Manus normally though

[river veldt]

https://twitter.com/minecraft/status/1638193905937309697?s=46

Minecraft (@Minecraft)

There's more out there to discover coming soon... 👀

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looks like some archeology stuff will spawn underwater too :D

[thorny loom]

Oh boi guyz

https://www.pcgamer.com/eve-online-studio-ccp-games-is-making-a-blockchain-game/

[rancid herald]

Lordy

[grim stirrup]

yeah, but i'm a dumb dumb that always ends up with glass canon builds at manus

and manus is for some reason my kryptonite

[gaunt marten]

Yeah, he's fucking annoying

Worst optional boss in any dark souls game

[hidden elbow]

Tbh if you are a pro in eve you can easily understand blockchain........and every mathematical science for that matter

[gaunt marten]

Understanding how the Blockchain works does not make it useful here

[green fulcrum]

I friggin' told everyone that the features they showed for 1.20 wasn't the end of the update. There's more coming! :D

[sour hill]

[grim stirrup]

i think horse fuck valleys boss still takes the goat on that

manus is at least unique

[fresh bane]

I never heard the take of Manus being the worst boss in a souls game before

[gaunt marten]

I love the pair of bosses at the end of horse fuck valley because they're easy!

Lud and Zallen also happen to be an ideal boss to tackle with the three or four NPC summons

[fresh bane]

I really hate all boss fights that are 2 enemies at once

[green fulcrum]

.........This is an odd sentence when taken out of context. Or even in context.

[river veldt]

horse fuck valley

[gaunt marten]

In dark souls 2, HFV is a blizzardy area with low visibility that has large amounts of incredibly dangerous giant magic reindeer enemies that will jump you out of nowhere and destroy you in seconds

https://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/file/Dark-Souls-2/8FE4NHG.png

They keep respawning in large numbers so killing all of them is not really tenable

They fly, shoot lightning, and have deadly kicks

Coupled with the low visibility, this area becomes very difficult to traverse without friends

(the game wants you to summon allies)

[river veldt]

i think if the residents weren't evil Leon would work in retail

[fresh bane]

DS2 should honestly be a co op only game

so many areas are instnatly fixed/much better with a buddy or two than alone

it's insane how that game just works better with co op

[fresh bane]

the residents weren't evil when Leon was on his way to be a cop so he'd probably be a cop

[river veldt]

yeah but i like Leon i dont want him to be a policeman

[gaunt marten]

Yeah. The game is a lot more fun with a friend, but I have a similar experience with a ranged weapon and attacking enemies one by one so they chase after me for a fair 1v1

[sour hill]

I wouldn't even put them in the top 10 worst bosses in ds2

Ancient Dragon has gotta be the worst in ds2, I think

[thorny loom]

https://www.pcgamer.com/mirrors-edge-and-bad-company-2-are-being-removed-from-sale-forever/

[gaunt marten]

Dev programmed cheese and it's still an annoying boss

Wait, that's the DS3 one

I actually like the ancient dragon in DS2

[rose rose]

I like how the non embed headline is “Three Battlefield games—but not Mirror's Edge—are being removed from sale forever”

Didn’t change the image though.

[sour hill]

You must be thinking of one of the other dragon bosses in ds2. It's very hard for me to imagine someone enjoying ancient dragon

[gaunt marten]

The really big dragon. The one you give toenail clipping to

[sour hill]

Damn okay, I guess you're just built different

[gaunt marten]

I like it because I found a consistent pattern and it's big and cute

Other dragon is also nice but I like Ancient Dragon more

[sour hill]

He is big

[visual hill]

I have BFBC2 bought on Steam but didn't activate it on Origin yet

guess I'll need to do it soon enough

[fresh bane]

the everlasting dragon is a beeg boy too

and he's fluffy

he's just chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool

[sour hill]

Classic DS giant entity with tiny head

[grim stirrup]

i liked the ancient dragon, its a relatively fun fight if you dont just "cheese" (ish) it by toe clipping it

[thorny loom]

Oh man guys

Its morbin time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knfLBKSM99U

[dense crypt]

MORB-

[fresh bane]

woah is that Blade?

I love Blade

[arctic fern]

so, i finished bug fables; the everlasting sapling
its a very enjoyable game, glad i got it

[green fulcrum]

Playing Pathfinder: Kingmaker, suddenly there's reference to actual aliens and metal constructs roaming the lands of Numeria, and that's how the world got adamantine metal. Granted, they mentioned alien tech before, and that's why the Technic League exists, but I actually kinda forgot about that until this barbarian dude straight up said that long ago huge metal pieces fell from the sky all around the country ("alive and dead", sounding awful like parts of a massive ship that were either active or inactive).

Sooooo yeah, aliens.

[random steppe]

Blade is in the game, he has a book club you can take part in, and he's absolutely precious

[thorny loom]

https://youtu.be/YUtnJ3lYW38

[dense crypt]

wh-

huh?

is this the era of crossovers?

[thorny loom]

its cod it can afford basically any crossover like fortnite can

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/twitch-isnt-backing-down-from-5050-revenue-split-with-streamers/ar-AA18UkAa

[white phoenix]

damn, 50/50?

Didn't know it was that bad

youtube is a nobrainer at this point

[green fulcrum]

playing Kingmaker
has the goblin party member Nok-Nok in the party
battle starts
Nok-Nok: "I-I'm more of a runner and talker than a fighter!"
Nok-Nok proceeds to wipe the floor with every single enemy in sight, dishing out 4 attacks at once, with each one dealing up to 60 damage with sneak attacks, and that's not counting critical hits
60 x 4 = 240 damage...

"More of a runner and talker than a fighter", MY ASS! Dude instantly has replaced my barbarian as my fastest and strongest hitter.

He's a boss-killer. Even better is that he has a chance to dish out permanent strength stat damage on enemies, making them weaker with every consecutive hit.

And although he's listed as "chaotic evil", the dude doesn't actually want to be bad, he's just...a goblin. Hell, he wants to be a hero, and he's hilariously bad at it. He can be in my party any day.

[fresh bane]

I have no interest at all in the game but I respect comicbook media that pays attention to lesser known characters

which is wild to say that Blade is a ''lesser known'' character but it is what it is

https://tenor.com/view/blade-gif-18477867

I remember watching Blade as a kid it was awesome

I would say Ghost Rider is also a lesser known character at this point but I remember he shows up in one of Marvel's shows

I wouldn't say no to a new Ghost Rider movie though

[random steppe]

I have yet to play it, but from what I've seen the game is full of deep cuts into old marvel stuff, which is nice

Ironically the fact that it's so commited to having you interact with the characters is what pushed a way a more mainstream audience from this

Good sign they are making a DLC tho, means that some copies must have sold

[fresh bane]

I hate it when good things end up ''failing'' or performing less than they should simply because they have something that isn't quite popular

You bet your ass that a bad Batman film will still perform better than a good... I don't know, Moon Knight film

[random steppe]

To be fair, the story is not that good, it's more of a vector for nerdom interactions between comicbook characters, as much as Xcom was more of set dressing to blow up aliens

Still, gotta respect the commitment

[fresh bane]

I'm sure it's at least good enough

I doubt it's the type of game where people turn towards for great stories, not that I'm justifying poor scriptwriting

[random steppe]

yeah Xcom was also all about putting a story good enough to not notice, if a bit generic, and let a lot of the story be mostly through emergent interactions.
They addeda bunch of interactions between decently characterised heroes into the mix for this one.

[fresh bane]

that's good enough I feel

I may be wrong but I don't think the best comicbook stories are usually big crossover event ones so it's fine to have a standard comic crossover adventure with good character moments

[random steppe]

Yeah, you follow those to see the characters you already know interact

Rather than really get into the characterisation of a single character

Generally

I'm sure there are exceptions

It is definitely an odd title, I am not sure a lot of marvel fans were looking for an Xcom style game, and I am skeptical a lot of xcom players were looking for a game with a meaty helping of social interactions with a bunch of Marvel heroes, with friendships and social stats with them, that changes to their abilities and how they perform in combat.

It's basically Xcom meets persona-light meets Marvel, which is brave if anything

[fresh bane]

It's an interesting game for sure

I wonder if a Marvel Alliance type game would've been more popular

[sour hill]

I remember watching blade a few weeks ago and it was awesome

[river veldt]

they're introducing Blade to the mcu which is cool because i dont know anything about him

he hunts vampires (?)

[random steppe]

The one thing you need to know about Blade, is that it was the 1st marvel movie to pull an Iron Man 1
And with that I mean that Wesley Snipes performance was so iconic that he essentially made it so the comics changed Blade to be more like him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYgGb5PVLmQ

[river veldt]

that's awesome

[thorny loom]

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/ubisoft-is-developing-an-ai-tool-that-aims-to-support-scriptwriters/

[flint iron]

https://youtu.be/q99mSnhXbtM

[fresh bane]

Seriously?

Just calling it Ghostwriter? Not even making any attempts at hiding it or not making it sound terrible?

I hate the people creating these AI things and marketing them as a way to ''assist'' artists, it's not assisting anything it's just doing the work for you

[random steppe]

To be fair, it can't be worse with what Ubisoft are writing nowdays

They can probably use AI to make the rest of the game too, since they just copy paste it with minor differences

[fresh bane]

''with our new AI tool, we can further assist developers to save time by simply copying and pasting games over and over! wow! so cool!''

[random steppe]

There is a non insignificant chance that AI would actually be more creative than them

[fresh bane]

the sad truth is that the AI would probably do a better job than them

also some people defending this are like ''b-b-but it's boring to write generic guard dialogue!''

Hey here's a crazy idea, maybe be fucking creative and make it not boring and generic and actually make it unique and interesting?

[thorny loom]

inevitably this is where many industries will be heading over the course of the decade

[flint iron]

I've seen a pretty big influx of AI for many media recently

[fresh bane]

also it's hilarious that I saw some people defending this with that same argument only for both of them to immediately say afterwards ''yeah I don't write or am not a professional scriptwriter at all''

[thorny loom]

because its readily available for the general public and advanced enough people see potential uses for it

[flint iron]

The popularity of AI could either be a good thing or a bad thing, gonna see how much changes in a year

[fresh bane]

So far it's already proven to be a bad thing in my book

[thorny loom]

it will take more than a year for it to be fully flesh out

[flint iron]

I've mostly had concern with AI art but I've seen it so much that I can almost tell if something is AI art

[chilly mural]

of all things; southpark did an episode that used chatGPT

it's a very polarizing episode

[flint iron]

Oh wow that episode came out really recently

[chilly mural]

I agree with nire on this

using AI is lazy

[thorny loom]

i fully predict by the end of the decade on AI will replace most writing jobs, voice actors will still exist but will also be paid to voice a few lines be fed to an AI and then compensated for it

[flint iron]

Hoping that AI doesnt get to the point of it being hard to see the difference with something that is authentic

[fresh bane]

It probably will, but that's not the main point of why people are upset with AI usually

stuff like 15ai are already proving to be something that eventually could be used to fully replace VAs

Artists have always been treated like shit on every industry, film, animation, voice over, etc, and now they're looking to fully replace them entirely

can't win

I can't wait for MLP G6 to have full AI scripts with AI voiceover and AI animation

[flint iron]

Oof yeah. You can literally open up an AI software now and type in/feed to the AI and do something close to what someone who needs the skill and talent to perform

[random steppe]

To be fair, gaming might be the one indisutry in which replacing writers with bots could get better results on average.

In most narrative media, character arcs, pacing, and coming up a with a compelling narrative is an important element in making a story, with most games story is more of an after tought and background for gameplay so to be honest, generic fantasy plot #25 is already what you get and is about as creative as you might expect from an AI, or maybe worse

[thorny loom]

also i dont mind it if they use ai to write NPC dialogue like we see in Bethesda games

it gets boring hearing the same 4 lines voiced by 3 different people across the entire game lol

[teal sonnet]

ai for scriptwritting I see as a fancy auto correct

you don't use it for the whole thing

but you can use it to enchance it

[flint iron]

Could use it for the skeleton of the story

[random steppe]

I don't think it'd be an enahncment

[fresh bane]

My answer to that is just make the NPC dialogue unique seriously there's games where some of the NPC dialogues are big highlights and with AI that would be completely lost if it was some generic boring dialogue

[random steppe]

An enhancment would be making compelling dialogue, but they already don't do that

[fresh bane]

GTA games for example, especially the radios

Imagine that but with AI

[thorny loom]

speaking of

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/86651?tab=posts

[random steppe]

Yeah I'd be worried if the people that announced they were doing it were IDK, CDPR, or Insomniac
Luckily it's ubisoft, their dialogue might as well already be written by an AI

[teal sonnet]

lmao

[random steppe]

They are humans but the company shaved any creativity from their body long ago

[teal sonnet]

but for real, ai can help a loooot on scriptwriting

when you are stuck and don't know wtf to do

or you want a scene to be better

[thorny loom]

https://youtu.be/xHlJzuCjsNg

[random steppe]

it can make it cheaper, but can't make it better

[teal sonnet]

or ask it for alternatives of the scene you wrote

[fresh bane]

I joke about the Ubisoft bad script stuff but jokes aside I legitimately strongly and fully believe AI has no uses or actual upsides at all

[teal sonnet]

even if what comes out raw of it is bad

at least gives you an idea to work on it

[fresh bane]

If you wanna write a better scene you just gotta keep learning and be better lol

[teal sonnet]

you don't need to control c the thing

[fresh bane]

that is an actual unironical skill issue

If I wasn't able to properly paint something I wouldn't just use an AI to do it for me

[teal sonnet]

that is like saying if you want to be better at art you can't use new brushes or tools

[flint iron]

Good point

[fresh bane]

No, jesus christ no

that's not comparable in the slightest

[teal sonnet]

it is like saying you can't use auto corrector on your stuff

[fresh bane]

the brush isn't magically controlling itself the artist controls the brush and uses it with purpose and intent

[teal sonnet]

the ai will not do the job for you

but will assist you

[fresh bane]

the ai will absolutely do the job for you

it's literally what it does

[teal sonnet]

I write a scene, throw on ai to make adjustments or alternatives

that is what I am talking about

[flint iron]

I think getting help from AI for art would maybe be like tracing over a picture

[teal sonnet]

not writing a whole scene for me

that would look like shit

would be stupid not to use ai for that

[fresh bane]

Whether or not it ends up being shit or not isn't exactly the point, that's like saying current AI pictures are bad because they look weird, it's not the point, they get better with time, just like an AI scriptwriting would get more coherent with time
The point is that you're absolutely not doing it yourself and it's not assisting you, if you're stuck or you just don't know how to write something then you just need to get better

That's literally just using a ghostwriter even if you end up going back and using the ideas yourself later on

It's just calling someone else to write for you except you're calling an amalgamation of different writers that make up the AI's archive

It's like me asking a better artist to make adjustments to my picture or draw something really quick and i paint over that

yeah, I went back, I did something, but that didn't assist me it did the job for me

[flint iron]

It will feel more rewarding at the end of the day if you study or practice something you're struggling on and end up getting better

[fresh bane]

I didn't get better I just used someone else's material

Artists get stuck that's part of the whole creative thing, it's normal to get stuck, it's also normal to not know how to properly do something, and what you do is you just get better and you learn

[teal sonnet]

that does not mean you can't use tools to help on your work

that is dumb and time wasting

[fresh bane]

But it's not a tool for the reasons I described in the previous messages

[teal sonnet]

it is a tool

if you don't ask to do the whole thing for you

here a very shitty example

now imagine in a way large scale

[flint iron]

Epic story

Rip hot dog

[teal sonnet]

saving time is not a bad thing

and you will learn with it

[fresh bane]

It would save more time to not use AI in the first place and just doing it yourself

[teal sonnet]

ok for now on I will not use auto corrector, or any photoshop tools

got it

hecc if I cook a cake I will not use an oven

because the oven is doing all the work for me

[fresh bane]

People always do that where they compare AI to these digital tools or other types of tools and it's totally not the same thing but they act like it is

[teal sonnet]

I don't think there is a single professional screenwritter that I would not love some help from ai on writting stuff

[fresh bane]

There definitely is

[random steppe]

Here is an example as to what AI could legit improve.
Let's say I'm already playing a game with not much creativity, let's say I'm playing Elite Dangerous
I accept a mission, they have like, 8 types of missions and the dialogue to accept is basically all the same and extremely pre packaged shit
There is already nothing there.

I could see an AI writing 300 versions of that dialogue, and after a quick check to make sure they make sense, put them in.

It'll make the game better, give it more color, and keep me from throwing up at the 85th transport mission.

[fresh bane]

There super is and you can see professional scriptwriters replying to that tweet about the Ghostwriter thing

[random steppe]

There is already no creativity involved anyway

[fresh bane]

Just like plenty of professional animators and artists denounce AI 'art'

[teal sonnet]

ai art is not art, that I agree

but using it to improve your art I can see being pretty good

imagine an ai that just makes hands

(I know ai sucks at that, but imagine)

most people suck at drawing hands

and having an ai that just does that for you, would be amazing

[fresh bane]

Just learn to draw hands?

[random steppe]

The problem is that AI lacks purposfulness.

[teal sonnet]

"just learn"

that is the most stupid argument you can make

[fresh bane]

How is that the stupidest argument I can make? Just fucking learn, that's like telling an artist they shouldn't learn composition the AI will take care of that

Don't worry about the anatomy the AI will take care of that

[random steppe]

It's okay when what you produce doesn't matter.
Having 200 AI generated guard dialogue would be better than hearing the 100th arrow to the knee exchange, but that already doesn't have any purpose behind it, it's just drivel that's there just to exist

[fresh bane]

Yes, literally just learn to draw hands

Grab a pencil and a little sketchbook and learn, study, practice

[teal sonnet]

that is why I think ai that just do X instead of general purpose is better

make one that is really good at doing X and only X

I find dumb not using tools that you can use to make your stuff better and save time

[flint iron]

For me personally, when NPCs or enemies repeat the same lines after the other me and my friends start laughing because of how goofy it is. But it is better to have variety in dialogue tho

[teal sonnet]

we literally carry around super computers in our pockets

[random steppe]

Also worth mentioning, when you analyse a piece of media, the assumption you have to take that everything is on purpose
As in, a purposeful choice made by the artist.

When it's made by a bot, nothing is purposeful, analysis is meaningless, anything that fit together and compelling is just because the stuff it analysed was purposeful and it copied it.

[teal sonnet]

I will not go to a library to read a book about animals if I want to know about a fact about it

[fresh bane]

If the game already doesn't have particularly creative writing or writers it's not like it's gonna matter anyways but you will always see me advocating for the artists to just write more compelling dialogue even for their NPCs rather than super generic banter
The Skyrim guards that talk about the world comes to mind, I can't imagine Souls NPCs having AI dialogue for example because so much of that even the NPCs is super deliberate

[random steppe]

I mean yeah, they could do that, but the reality si that they don't do that

And between the two, the AI solution would be better than what they did with it previously

[teal sonnet]

having the ai do all the work I find souless and dumb

but if you write something and want to improve it

there is no way you can improve out of your ass

even more when it is time limited like 99% of the industry

you will be making a better product and saving time

all that matters is if the end result is good

[random steppe]

I mean, to be clear, anything that AI does will just be functionally better, but wont contribute to the artistic value of a product

It'll just be there

[teal sonnet]

the "analysis is meaningless" that would not be the case if you give it context and what you want it to happen

[random steppe]

There wont be any mastery in it tho

[teal sonnet]

some people can't express their ideas into words

or at least in a compeling way

but they have good ideas

it is not different than an director telling a writer what they want

the director have cool ideas, but has no clue on wtf to do with it

[random steppe]

Like, when a good writer describes a scene, they highlight the important parts of the scene, because they know what's important for you to notice, and what isn't, and it's made with purpose in mind.
What kind of atmospthere and feelings they want to convey.

If you get an AI do it, they will do it because they read a lot of other scenes and they think they know what's importnat for you to notice, but critically, even it gets it right, you wont know.
You'll still be a bad writer, the AI will just happened to copy better writers than you.
And more importantly, if it got it wrong and didn't write the scenes right, you wont have a way to know

[teal sonnet]

Here an example, I would not control c this whole thing, but use some of its ideas on it

getting ideas, not the whole scene or even the setting of it

hecc maybe just use a single thing out of it

[random steppe]

I mean, as I said, generic is better than what a lot of videogame writing it already is, so I don't think it'll be a net negative in any situation.

[teal sonnet]

like just the "flash of lightning part" and that is it

giving you random ideas and stuff, that is it

people can't come up with ideas out of nothing

and a good writer would enchance it even futher, like changing the scene so the lightning is in slow motion and red or something

that is just a very shitty example, but I think you can get it

[random steppe]

But I can't ask you, what inspired you to write anything of that scene.

I recently read Sourcery, the 1st Terry Pratchett book I've read.
And it has a creature called the luggage, which is this wooden box with thousand little legs, extremely malicious, that follow its owner and sometimes help, sometimes less.

At the beginning it has a foreword, in which it explains that seeing a lady running to catch a bus, with a trolley behind her hitting the uneven road, giving it the impressions it had a life of its own and chasing her, and that inspired the Luggage.

An AI can't do that.
Nothing in the scene I can ask you what it means, or where the inspiration came, because the AI decided to write it taking as inspiration...something...that was in its training material.
We'll never know what it means, and it didn't do it for any reason.
It lacks the purpose part

[teal sonnet]

that scene would not even exist in the first place

so does not matter

not everything needs meaning

[random steppe]

Good art does

[fresh bane]

If you're writing a book absolutely everything needs meaning

Literally every single word needs to have a meaning and purpose

[random steppe]

Well to be clear, the reader can bring the meaning with them, so it's not necessarily true

[teal sonnet]

a good example is why Yoko Taro made the main character of his deep and thoughtful game a hot big boobs lady?

simply because he likes that

that is it

everything does not need meaning

Nier Automata is masterpiece, and if you hold both sticks at the sametime the dress of the main character explodes

some stuff does not need meaning

[random steppe]

Nier Automata is probably the game with most meaning out of all I've played.
Just because a minor element doesn't have it, is a terrible example as to why art doesn't need to be extremely purposeful

[teal sonnet]

I am not talking about everything

little things

[random steppe]

And as I said, you can totally use AI to make the generic stuff in a game, and come up with a good product.

I do think that Skyrim would be enhanced by having AI guards

[teal sonnet]

don't fucking use ai to make the core scene of your thing

or the main plot twist or whatever

but if wrote a scene and looks like shit, but you know it can look better

why the hecc not enchance it

[random steppe]

But also, I wouldn't say that the Skyrim guards are part of the art.
They don't matter.
They are set dressing.

[teal sonnet]

for me depends all on how you use it

that is why I say it is a tool

a good artist will use it greatly

[fresh bane]

A good artist is never going to have to need it in my opinion

[random steppe]

A good artist might use it to fill the blanks around the art, maybe.
The stuff that doesn't matter.

[fresh bane]

If a game is going to have something like the Skyrim guards say nonsense dialogue that means nothing it doesn't even matter in the first place but if the people in charge of that stuff were good and wanted to put the effort I would never tell them to use an AI nor would they probably find a need for it, they'd just make the guards say interesting stuff or be unique or add to the worldbuilding

Sure in the grand scheme of the plot a random guard may not be important but it's still something the writers put effort and attention to even if it's minimal

[river veldt]

Ubisoft using ai is very on brand

i am genuinely convinced John Carmack isn't human
https://twitter.com/id_aa_carmack/status/1638182934266929152?s=46

John Carmack (@ID_AA_Carmack)

I listened to audiobooks at 1.5x speed for years. I had tried 1.75x, but found it a bit too fast for comfort. Recently, I tried going up 0.1x every couple books, and now 1.9x is perfectly usable. This is a substantial benefit!

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[random steppe]

Yeah true, but the reality it doesn't happen, and it's probably because writers cost a lot of money, and games aren't cheap to make in the 1st place.
Like I can think of 10 better areas that skyrim could have invested more money in to be a lot better, before even getting to the guards generic dialogue.

There is cost opportunity to consider, and a lot of steps between the worst things, and the best things possible you could do.

Ai generated dialogue would have been on that scale. somewhere higher than arrow to the knee meme dialogue.

[teal sonnet]

instead of getting some writers to write random dialogue for npcs, get them to just review and edit random ai dialogue

or mix them

saves time, and money and better content

[random steppe]

Or get writers writing important parts of the game, instead of shit that doesn't matter.

[teal sonnet]

yep

would not be different from getting random premade tree assets for a background forest

intead of making each tree from scratch

the tree placement and what type of tree to use or edit them still matters

but saves time and money

[random steppe]

Like, in this example I made earlier

Here is an example as to what AI could legit improve.
Let's say I'm already playing a game with not much creativity, let's say I'm playing Elite Dangerous
I accept a mission, they have like, 8 types of missions and the dialogue to accept is basically all the same and extremely pre packaged shit
There is already nothing there.

I could see an AI writing 300 versions of that dialogue, and after a quick check to make sure they make sense, put them in.

It'll make the game better, give it more color, and keep me from throwing up at the 85th transport mission.

I don't want to have a writer have to write 300 excuses for a transport mission
That's actual cruelty towards the writer.
They will actually quit their job at the 30th

[teal sonnet]

writting 300 execuses would just be painful

but yeah that is really good example

[true maple]

nothing like watching all your hard work go up in flames for just one very tiny mistake. project zomboid

[heady bridge]

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/sonic-frontiers-first-big-free-dlc-is-coming-this-week/

Is that a rip-off of Barbera’s elemental skill from Genshin Impact?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/330829852708044800/1087456203904401428/iu.png

[gaunt marten]

I know a guy who self publishes a ton of trashy romance books for profit.

He used to publish them on his own at first. Later, he started hiring a few ghostwriters to write for him and he would fix their mistakes and make sure the book is good enough to publish.

Nowadays, though, he uses AI instead of hiring ghostwriters.

What he's writing is probably not art, but it resonates with enough people to make him a decent living, and it's actually not something the AI can spit out on its own without him.

I suspect what Ubisoft will do is the same. They will stick the AI with the best of their writing staff so they can write the same stuff faster.

[mossy flume]

https://fxtwitter.com/hd_kirin/status/1638361179025477633

[dire gate]

Thank you for reminding me that I have to file my nonexistent taxes

[fresh bane]

https://youtu.be/q-Q_e6hxyyA

I didn't keep up with FNAF lore before but I was watching Thafnine's video on FNAF and looked up the speech at the end of Pizzeria Simulator out of curiosity

Holy fucking shit I can't believe Scott actually okayed other people to make games after this raw as fuck ending, this is like the most perfect conclusion you could hope for and Security Breach just completely invalidates this holy shit

[dense crypt]

pizzeria sim was the best one

[river veldt]

correct!

FNAF 6 was so good

[quiet swift]

https://twitter.com/HD_Kirin/status/1638361179025477633

HDKirin (@HD_Kirin)

Ok, video games have peaked.

There's a visual novel coming out that supposedly actually prepares your 2022 US federal tax return through romancing an anime girl.

I.... man, this is a lot. https://t.co/TR3XMMruYM

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https://twitter.com/Ziyan_Su420/status/1638390024734486529

Ziyan Su 🫂💜 | 🎧Music Producer🎧 | Gacha Waifu (@Ziyan_Su420)

@HD_Kirin Well, they sure know their target audience...

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Twitter · Mar 22, 2023, 3:59 AM

She be stealing your heart AND your SSN!

[wind stump]

Thank god I don't pay taxes

[quiet swift]

[astral field]

I only trust one video game character to help me with my taxes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw4oIgwrDmI

[flint iron]

Me and the chief will be tax buddies to the end

[thorny loom]

https://www.pcgamer.com/eve-players-are-in-revolt-over-ccps-blockchain-plansif-at-first-you-dont-succeed-try-try-try-again-to-chase-your-player-base-away-with-crypto/

[quiet swift]

That title sounds like Square enix's plans

[thorny loom]

https://youtu.be/rf9Q_uIwk7U

https://youtu.be/ExZtISgOxEQ

[light gate]

Oh yeah, CS2 has been announced.

Source Engine 2

[chilly mural]

Counter Strike and now Counter Strike 2

it's been 23 years since a sequal to the modded half-life game of counter strike

[sage iris]

finally.. I have them all
half life 2, portal 2, team fortress 2, left 4 dead 2, dota 2 and now.. counter strike 2

[thorny loom]

https://www.pcgamer.com/ue5s-new-procedural-game-building-tools-are-a-little-bit-impressive/

[green fulcrum]

Guaranteed, many games will not be using even half of the UE5 features due to budgeting issues, crunch, and the sheer amount of object rendering. Many PCs wouldn't even be able to handle it.

[thorny loom]

Its still pretty cool

Ironically epic tests most of these features on fortnite updates lol

[green fulcrum]

It looks fantastic if fully utilized, but you'd need at least an RTX 3090 just to get decent performance.

[grave tide]

And now Valve have count to three

https://youtu.be/jpw2ebhTSKs

[sage iris]

nah they're just gonna release ummmmm

half life alyx 2

[grave tide]

Fuck

Volvo always has a Plan B

[slim thorn]

I don't know how they were allowed to do the marketing this way but I love it

[icy crescent]

https://www.counter-strike.net/cs2

IT'S REAL!

[weak river]

Ah, sweet.

Now when I accidentally molotov myself, I'll look fantastic doing it.

[river veldt]

https://twitter.com/rythayze/status/1638570571830276097?s=46

Rythaze 🌧️ (@Rythayze)

Samus sketch

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Twitter · Mar 22, 2023, 3:57 PM

@mossy flume

[mossy flume]

[thorny loom]

Lol https://www.pcgamer.com/community-and-esports-reaction-to-counter-strike-2-quit-valorant-its-done-its-fing-over/

[peak mesa]

I hope this guy is still around today. After 20 years of waiting, it’s finally here.

[fresh bane]

Hahahah no way

Counter Strike 2 is actually real?

we're doing this fr fr?

[river veldt]

yeag

[fresh bane]

I fucking hate it when a game tries a new clean and vivid artstyle and people go ''hurrrrrr this is realism get that mario nintendo hello kitty shit outta here''

[river veldt]

is Guccigang Crook allergic to colour

[fresh bane]

we get it dude you play your games on grayscale or with a sepia tone because you think reality looks brown

I blame the PS3/XBOX360 era with their dull ass brown color palettes for this

[river veldt]

it's literally this
https://youtu.be/MzNNTexnZQ0

ok ignore the thumbnail

this isn't a meme i swear

[slim thorn]

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RealIsBrown stayed relevant far longer than I expected it to

[fresh bane]

[river veldt]

is that VG Cats

[slim thorn]

yes, yes it is

I was alive when that comic was posted

[fresh bane]

This literally doesn't even look that drastic

[river veldt]

i had a brief but powerful VG Cats obsession in 7th/8th grade

[fresh bane]

If this was a real life location I'm pretty sure it would just straight up look like this

but I guess reality is brown

and desaturated

[slim thorn]

wait, that's the new look in the new game?

[sour hill]

I remember people used to use a program to artificially saturate cs:go

[fresh bane]

I guess so yeah

the hud is different

[slim thorn]

that's "too vivid"?

[fresh bane]

Right?

[slim thorn]

frickin' Spec Ops: The Line has more color than that lol

[sour hill]

I suspect "too vivid" is going to be a fringe opinion. People were complaining for years about csgo's first dust2 because it was too washed out

[slim thorn]

probably

[sour hill]

^ hence why people were doing this

There was also the issue of distance-based fog

For a while

[fresh bane]

Get that Hello Kitty Nintendo kid shit outta here I only play games for real men!!

man this is just straight up gorgeous

I wonder if it's well optimized for low spec pcs though

[chilly mural]

lol no

[sour hill]

CS players love complaining about framerate, visibility, and deviations from 1.6

[chilly mural]

ye

[fresh bane]

I imagine a lot less people will be able to play CS2 because of the system requirements

[chilly mural]

I wish I could shoot through every wall like it was paper

[fresh bane]

Hell I might not be able to run it

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuckkkkkkk

look att thaaattt

[sour hill]

I really like the new blood splatters

[fresh bane]

Fingers crossed for TF2 news?

[sour hill]

I've very curious about the netcode changes. 64 tick servers were the worst

[fresh bane]

look at that fruit yum

[sour hill]

Valve painstakingly recreating gorgeous hostage rescue maps from the ground up only for no one to play them

[fresh bane]

Hold the actual fuck UP

Did that grenade dissipate the smoke?

[slim thorn]

ok that smoke does look a bit cartoony

[sour hill]

Trust me, CS players won't care

[green fulcrum]

The smoke looks like trash. Smoke grenades do not work that way.

[fresh bane]

It's ultra thick smoke

[sour hill]

I think the new smoke mechanics are cool

[dense crypt]

this just... looks like counter strike as its always been.

[sour hill]

Unironically that's exactly what cs players want

[dense crypt]

i dont give a hot shit about realisms, people who obsess about that need to take a look at their priorities.

[green fulcrum]

Yeah, it can be ultra thick, but it doesn't just stay in one spot like that for long periods of time. It floats up. It moves around! It's supposed to dissipate, and for God's sake, THEY DON'T EXPLODE! They're supposed to just pop open and let smoke out, not cause fires or damage people.

[sour hill]

It exploded because someone threw a frag grenade lol

[dense crypt]

for gameplay purposes, its for the best that the smoke lingers.

[green fulcrum]

No, when the grenade is launched in-game it also explodes.

[fresh bane]

Well yeah but I'm sure people have pointed out smoke grenades don't work like that irl for a loooong time now

it's just a game mechanic

Also yeah the smoke grenade in the image I posted didn't explode, another player threw a grenade into the smoke and the explosion dissipated the smoke

And it actually looks.... really good, the way the smoke dissipates and actually hits the nearby objects looks super good

[river veldt]

ye

[green fulcrum]

All I'm saying is that I've been in thick smoke, and I've seen smoke grenades get used. The effect it has on a person's vision is greatly exaggerated by movies, shows, and games. Wide-spreading smoke grenades are meant to obscure the vision at a distance, allowing soldiers to get closer. Thicker smoke grenades might obscure close-range vision for a few seconds, but it very quickly dissipates and becomes thinner every second unless it has a constant supply of smoke.

[sour hill]

Yes, cs players however do not care how realistic the game is

[fresh bane]

https://youtu.be/ExZtISgOxEQ?t=86

I timestamped it there if anyone wants to see

[slim thorn]

next you'll tell us swords don't go shing when you draw them

[river veldt]

whoa that's cool

[fresh bane]

what do you mean swords don't go schwing when you draw them?

[sour hill]

Don't you dare

[fresh bane]

uso daro

[slim thorn]

or that horse hooves don't sound like coconuts

[sour hill]

In 1.6, rifles could shoot through literally any surface on the map, and people loved it and wished CSGO was like that

[fresh bane]

Can you not shoot through thin surfaces on CSGO?

[green fulcrum]

Actually, they do. Sorta. It's more of a higher-pitched "shrrrrk" though, and it also depends on how polished and sharp it is.

[green fulcrum]

And on stone, they do. Specifically cobblestone, which makes the sound bounce a bit because of the bumpy surface.

[slim thorn]

right, I'm not saying they're silent irl, just that standard "audible sharpness" is totally different

[sour hill]

You can

What you can't do is this: https://youtu.be/gTwKXEOhN_U

[fresh bane]

Yeah no jesus christ that is bullshit

Anyone who wishes CSGO was like this is out of their fucking mind

[green fulcrum]

..........

.>
<.<

.....Bullets can go through walls or a floor, but the smaller the caliber, the more likely that it'll just get stuck in a wall or bounce off the further away it is shot from.

Sorry, couldn't resist, lol.

[sour hill]

I know, but did you watch that clip?

[green fulcrum]

Yes.

I'm not a CS:GO player, but it looks like he's clipping his bullets through the floor to kill a guy underneath him.

[fresh bane]

I know a bullet can penetrate through a wall or a floor but it's not going to penetrate the floor of a factory all the way through to the underground and perfectly hit the target underneath and kill them, it's more likely that the bullet is just going to bounce off or get stuck on the very surface unless it's some nuclear caliber bullet infused with the power of zeus

[mossy flume]

https://www.pcgamer.com/ue5s-new-procedural-game-building-tools-are-a-little-bit-impressive/

[fresh bane]

and if I'm not mistaken you can actually penetrate through walls in CSGO but not all of them just the thinner ones

Which is honestly better in my opinion because that's actually how it works

[green fulcrum]

Yeah

[river veldt]

remmeber in The Dark Knight when Batman gets that bit of wall and analyses it to discover what gun and bullet were used

[sour hill]

Yeah, but for a while (still is, maybe) it was really misleading which surfaces you could and couldn't shoot through

[river veldt]

it was like one of the only bits of detective work Batman does in TDK Trilogy

[green fulcrum]

Yup, that can be done. Each bullet caliber has a specific amount of damage it can do, the size of the hole can show the size of the bullet and thus narrow down the list of possible weapons, and the angle and direction from where it's fired can determine where the gun was and also possibly how easy the gun was to use (for example, you wouldn't bring a sniper rifle or fully automatic weapon into a room to kill a guy, you'd most likely want something concealable and easier to aim and shoot). From there, you can extrapolate the range of the murder based on any gunshot residue particles (point-blank, close-range, or long-range).

[river veldt]

hmm should i watch The Batman or Dark Knight tonight

ive seen both at least 6 times

[sour hill]

I think you should watch Blade

[green fulcrum]

Say what you will about the police themselves, but their forensics teams do great and very fascinating work.

[river veldt]

that doesnt have Batman

[sour hill]

Hm. Dark Knight, then

[river veldt]

oke

[fresh bane]

correct, Blade is cooler /s

[river veldt]

:c

[river veldt]

epic

Dark Knight has one of the best openings of all time

[rancid herald]

Blade is technically a vampire, and like all vampires, he's room temperature. Thus, he's cooler than batman, who is still alive and regulates his body temperature

[fresh bane]

Blade also uses a sword

Batman fucking wishes

https://tenor.com/view/blade-bring-it-whos-next-bring-it-on-gif-17857220

[random steppe]

Blade is Wesley Snipes, which is good.

Fuck I should rewatch Blade

[fresh bane]

Blade makes Batman look like just some weirdo in a bat costume

.... which, I guess he is

Everyone should rewatch Blade

[rancid herald]

he showed up in what we do in the shadows so that was fun

[fresh bane]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-rider-ghostrider-building-goodbye-chat-im-out-gif-25743221

I brought him up a couple days ago I remember but Ghost Rider is another super cool Marvel character

Batman wishes he was as cool as Ghost Rider

[green fulcrum]

Oh! Did you know that he's in the MCU? He's in the Agents of SHIELD show, which, btw, is f`cking amazing and you should watch it.

[gaunt marten]

Ghost Rider is a marvel character?

[rancid herald]

yes

[fresh bane]

I do know he's in Agents of Shield I don't watch that show but I watched a compilation of Ghost Rider in that show and he seems really cool, I just wish they gave him a movie

[rancid herald]

they gave him two movies

[green fulcrum]

Haha

[river veldt]

Batman is cooler than Blade and Ghost Rider combined

[gaunt marten]

I thought he was like a /r/THE_PACK intellectual property

https://www.reddit.com/r/THE_PACK/

[fresh bane]

I mean the MCU Ghost Rider

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-rider-burning-gif-13397023

if this guy was there for Thanos we wouldn't have Infinity War

It'd be over in 5 min

[river veldt]

i genuinely think Ghost Rider is kind of lame

[quiet swift]

Wasn't there a Nick Cage Ghost Rider?

[river veldt]

yes

[fresh bane]

Yeah Nick Cage's is the one with the bike, the MCU one apparently uses a muscle car

Which is a neat concept

[river veldt]

the flaming skull motorcycle thing just reminds me of those skeleton t shirts

[quiet swift]

Hmm. What franchise is the guy that kinda looks like a devil with a white mask and a I think red cape?

[fresh bane]

Nick Cage is Johnny Blaze but the MCU Ghost Rider is someone else, I think Johnny Blaze also exists alongside this other Ghost Rider though

[gaunt marten]

That's what I said

[river veldt]

OH lol

i didnt know what the pack was

[gaunt marten]

You would have found out if you clicked it

[quiet swift]

Ah, this guy

[slim thorn]

oh Spawn

[river veldt]

Spawn is lame too

[fresh bane]

That's Spawn, he's not DC or Marvel

He's from Image comics IIRC

[quiet swift]

[slim thorn]

there are non-big2 comics out there

[river veldt]

Spawn i think was a Liefeld creation

[slim thorn]

Spawn is one of the most famous/popular of them tbf

(though I've never read any)

[gaunt marten]

You can tell because he has huge boobs

[river veldt]

i think the only Lifeld character i like is Deadpool

[fresh bane]

Spawn also has an animated series just like Batman and Spiderman

which is neat

[quiet swift]

Please let us not post Liefeld horrors

(which one was it, batman? superman?)

[river veldt]

uhh

what do you mean

[gaunt marten]

It was Superman

[quiet swift]

(there's one particularly awful one)

[fresh bane]

Captain America?

[gaunt marten]

Oh yeah

Same thing

Liefeld drew him from the side

[fresh bane]

With his massive torso

[gaunt marten]

And completely destroyed his anatomy

[quiet swift]

Ah, cap

[river veldt]

what the fuck

[quiet swift]

Like I said

Horrors

[slim thorn]

if you don't want it posted don't bring it up, you know people can't resist

[river veldt]

i cant draw for shit but what the fuck

[quiet swift]

I mean not more than that one

[arctic fern]

cap has boobs!

[fresh bane]

When people like Liefeld manage to get work on comics and make a name for themselves is when you realize, if you were an average to good artist, you could probably make it as a comic artist too no problem

[astral field]

Damn you, Liefeld.

[slim thorn]

well, Liefeld was big in the 90's

a lot's changed since then

[astral field]

So was Cap, apparently

[river veldt]

i thought Liefeld was at his peak popularity in the 90s

[gaunt marten]

Really big. Bigger than he should be

[slim thorn]

you're right I got mixed up for a second

[quiet swift]

The internet has thoroughly mocked that Cap

[green fulcrum]

Actually, it's both. The Ghost Rider in Agents of SHIELD is actually the second Ghost Rider. The first used a bike.

[fresh bane]

I was looking around in Ghost Rider's wiki page and goddamit he's so fucking cool

Also apparently there's a female ghost rider pog

I gotta make sure to read some ghost rider stuff someday

[fresh bane]

Yeah I think I remember reading in the comments that Johnny Blaze may be out there somewhere in the MCU

[quiet swift]

I think Agents' Ghost Rider had a muscle car

[fresh bane]

He does and his skull resembles the design of the car too

[green fulcrum]

He technically is. He's the MCU's version of Doomslayer, punishing the worst of the worst criminals in what is basically Hell.

And he's actually not that bad of a guy, he's just got this whole vengeance thing going on.

[fresh bane]

I don't think anyone sees Ghost Rider as a bad guy at all from what I remember of the character

[green fulcrum]

Unfortunately, the Agents of SHIELD show will probably not be referenced in the main MCU because it diverged from the timeline somewhat during Infinity War. The writers still say that it's pretty much canon up until that point, but once it diverged it becomes its own parallel universe.

[fresh bane]

Sounds like a great opportunity to give Robbie a movie and introduce Ghost Rider to the MCU properly

hey maybe a new Wolverine movie with x-23? I'd like that too

[green fulcrum]

It is still possible that it can be alluded to, given how Daredevil was rescued from the discarded pile (and thus the Punisher and the rest of the Defenders were also, since they're canon to the Daredevil show).

But it's unlikely.

[fresh bane]

I hope Daredevil shows up more in Spidey stuff

He was there for No Way Home but it'd be nice to see him and Spidey interact a bit more since they're both more street level superheroes

[green fulcrum]

Well, Spidey's more street-level by choice rather than by power. He's waaaaaaaay more powerful than Daredevil or the Punisher, but he chooses to be this nice, normal guy.

[sour hill]

That's an easy mistake to make

[hushed onyx]

I started a new game of New Vegas today! (Well, yesterday, but for bug-related reasons I started over this morning). I was able to finish most of the pre-Nipton quests, most of the Goodsprings and Primm stuff and clearing out the NCRCF.

Too bad I can't recruit Cass until after I make it to New Vegas, though.

I'll probably end up heading into the Strip to get the Lucky 38 suite and then bugging straight for Zion/Honest Hearts...

[chilly mural]

https://vxtwitter.com/IdolShowdown/status/1638676936829603840 fite game

[fresh bane]

YOOOOO KORONE GOT FUCKING STRINGS

[chilly mural]

I hope fubuki has a kurokami install

that'd be tight

[fresh bane]

https://tenor.com/view/smol-korone-peek-peeking-lurk-lurking-gif-25394986

Yubi Install!

https://youtu.be/EgDgKfauShw

[dire gate]

That is a very nostalgic artstyle damn

[flint iron]

Tomorrow is the day

[fresh bane]

https://youtu.be/_y9MpNcAitQ

yooooo

the way they work is so fucking dope

Goddammit Valve always doing cool shit when they work in games man

OH MY GOD BULLETS CAN PIERCE THROUGH THE SMOKE

FUCK

[river veldt]

yeah i kinda wish they made more games but like, the stuff they make is always so quality so i guess quality over quanitity

[fresh bane]

Valve has always made amazing games but also pushed the envelope forward and developed new technologies

They did it with HL1 showcasing a more cinematic way of approaching games, they did it with HL2 and Portal with their physics engines

With Half Life Alyx they did some cool VR shit

[flint iron]

I'm stuck with Halo 3 multiplayer 😎(This is very sad)

[river veldt]

https://twitter.com/harddrivemag/status/1638676949966147586?s=46

Hard Drive (@HardDriveMag)

God Damn It: Cool Sword Just Part of Scenery

https://t.co/90sLr2EG6F

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Twitter · Mar 22, 2023, 11:00 PM

[thorny loom]

https://www.pcgamer.com/counter-strike-2s-reveal-has-sent-the-games-skins-market-wild/

Weapons skins are carrying over hence why

[chilly mural]

damn, was kinda hoping they wouldn't so it would send the community into a frenzy