It uses it for two things, really
#general gaming
mossy flume
visual hill
it's rare for 9th gen consoles to have games that run truly badly in all their performance/fidelity modes
slim thorn
is 9 what we're on now?
rose rose
(What does it do on non-dualsense controllers? Surely they didn’t stick with the same control scheme.)
visual hill
9th
mossy flume
is 9 what we're on now?
Yep
heady bridge
Gotham Knights does show that even with the extra horsepower you can still screw performance up if you don't code a game well.
visual hill
there was 8.5 too (Xbox One X/PS4 Pro)
mossy flume
Looking forward to Nintendo confusing the fuck out of that, though.
heady bridge
to be fair Nintendo have pretty much been doing their own thing since the Wii
mossy flume
I’ve never seen fractions used and let’s not make that a thing please, keeping track is hard enough at this point haha
rose rose
More interesting than the Bigger Numbers Gang!
slim thorn
I don't think I ever knew where the WiiU and Switch fit into the numbered gens thing
visual hill
developers use the 8.5gen moniker themselves in GDC presentations 
mossy flume
Huh, I haven’t seen that used in any of the GDC presentations I’ve seen
echo geode
SHEVA
rose rose
they are both eighth, apparently
I feel like the switch should really be ninth but whatever
mossy flume
they are both eighth, apparently
That’s a bit odd
heady bridge
I guess you could call the Switch not even a home console as it's essentially a handheld just with the ability to dock it and display the device on a TV. I mean, the PS Vita (and the PSP Go) had that option but most still called those handhelds.
rose rose
The Wii U was the first eighth gen console; the Switch is the last
slim thorn
granted I was never too worried about what each gen was, gaming history to my brain is "retro stuff, the PS2 era, the Xbox 360 era, and the modern usually-just-a-PC era"
rose rose
According to Wikipedia, the arbiter of assigning random numbers to things
mossy flume
Wikipedia has internet arguments about these things so that we don’t have to!
gaunt marten
That's stupid
ChatGPT is not and will never be an authority on anything
You can't ask it things to decide for you because it will hallucinate answers. The best it can do is point you at an actual authority on the topic
slim thorn
(if the original suggestion was meant as sarcasm, unfortunately lots of people really do think ChatGPT and other AIs can be trusted for this, so for now it's the sort of joke that can't be made without an explicit sarcasm marker)
gaunt marten
Yes. It's very dangerous to say that even as a joke because there are people who do believe the model is trustworthy
graceful bridge
Basically, if you're streaming 1080p content in your browser, but your monitor is a higher resolution, this can scale it up to improve quality.
thorny loom
(if the original suggestion was meant as sarcasm, unfortunately lots of people r...
It was meant as a joke. But i can understand that
slim thorn
Poe's Law strikes again
astral field
People's belief that ChatGPT is reliable and accurate kinda frightens me.
grave tide
Does anypony play World of Warships in EU region?
astral field
That is dangerous, if it pulls data from the general internet.
gaunt marten
It's likely an open source model that's pretrained on the general internet and then finetuned on chat specific materials
Plus some filtering so it's safer for kids
gaunt marten
I'm in the Afterlife part of the Death's Gambit: Afterlife
It's so much better it's amazing
I'm very glad they went back and polished the game, adding a more interesting ending
I'd show screenshots but everything is spoilers in that part
Supposedly the actual expansion to the game is not as impressive in regards to the amount of content but it does provide a good epilogue, so I'm not sure if I want to pick it up now or wait for a sale https://store.steampowered.com/app/1866620/Deaths_Gambit_Afterlife__Ashes_of_Vados/
Right now it's more expensive than the base game was
This achievement requires you to die 50 times.
There's a spot in the game where every time you die, your old body is deposited there.
At 50, you build enough of a pile you can climb on them and reach valuable items.
Kind of a little bonus to help players who struggle. You can reach that spot without taking any deaths much later in game
quiet swift
Reminds me of dead cells, where you walk past your old corpses, but that's just a funny moment
slim thorn
also every soulslike where you see piles of dead yous or people-like-yous because cycles gonna cycle
slim thorn
I've yet to watch a proper LP of any of the Fromsofts so I don't know this one
quiet swift
You can sometimes see white ghosts of other players doing stuff go by, unprompted. If there's a blood pool, you can click on it and it'll show you how that person died
And, well, these guys suck 
gaunt marten
Lots of situations like this arise because people see a few bloodstains from falling deaths, and then for fun commit suicide a lot of times there
Sometimes they commit suicide by using items in locations where it's hard to die in
Making for a very confusing debug log
slim thorn
also every soulslike where you see piles of dead yous or people-like-yous becaus...
I guess Blasphemous really took this trope to the logical extreme: you start atop an absurdly huge pile of similar corpses filling up several rooms of this enormous building, and the end of the game involves climbing a mountain of ash which if you read the lore is probably ash from corpses 
gaunt marten
Yeah!
grim stirrup
Sometimes they commit suicide by using items in locations where it's hard to die...
ds2 having this in the path to the main hub is still 10/10
gaunt marten
It's hilarious
New people finish the tutorial area, and then pass through a long, curvy tunnel that leads to the main hub
But the tunnel is FULL of bloodstains! People dying left and right
But how?! (It's items)
Provides for a very scary experience when the new players don't know what's next
slim thorn
ironically, even my very brief DS1 experience quickly taught me to completely ignore player messages
gaunt marten
Sometimes they're helpful
slim thorn
everyone says that 
gaunt marten
And it's true
You read the player messages, but when a message points at a mirror and says "Beware fatty." You ignore it and look for the ones that point you at mimics or secret walls
grim stirrup
honestly, barring "jump off this ledge" or jokes, there are quite a few useful oens
slim thorn
(to be clear I tried dozens of messages before giving up on the mechanic, even did another few dozens in Sekiro)
slim thorn
(and this sort of response is what makes me sometimes wonder if we're even talking about the same game)
grim stirrup
i think the only useful ones i found in elden ring were for finding invisi turtles, but i was ahead of the curve for first completion
i found a lot more things being summoned to worlds as a helpful spirit
lots of invisi walls/ambushes/items round corners found in ds1-3
by far most useful in ds2
grim stirrup
high quality
gaunt marten
Maybe with a 90% sale
grim stirrup
it has 0 gameplay, you just watch ducks
gaunt marten
It's a paid wallpaper engine with one wallpaper
slim thorn
oh yeah, remember https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_Dark_(software)?
gaunt marten
Never had it
I had Windows Plus for the 98 or whatever
It came with fancy screensavers
mossy flume
Huh, haven’t seen that before.
slim thorn
the flying toasters screensaver was iconic when I was young lol
gaunt marten
I did hear of it
slim thorn
(I also liked the rat race one)
visual hill
I remember having a desktop app that let me play Pingus (open source Lemmings clone) right on the desktop
they'd walk on window borders, etc
gaunt marten
I have no idea how lemmings plays other than "They fall off cliffs"
visual hill
you give them orders by selecting a role then clicking on them
(dig, build a bridge, use parachute to fall down safely, etc)
you can only assign a limited number of roles in total, so you gotta ration your use of them
to win a level, you need to save a certain amount of lemmings out of the total number that spawns
gaunt marten
Makes sense
quiet swift
Aw man, so close to 200
Uploading the last 5 minutes of it. It was just a wall of pure death
quiet swift
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKgnthL8In0 (make sure to watch at 1080p)
dire gate
VS was pretty fun until I 100%ed it
fresh bane
Was looking at this statue of TOTK Link and I'm like 90% sure || this arm and the entire game will have at least something to do with the Twili and I HOPE that it also means Midna will return in some shape or form ||
I might be completely wrong but holy hell do I hope I'm right
river veldt
agree
the reverse voices in the trailers also gave me big Twili vibes
but it's also possible that the arm and temple in the first trailer are Zonai stuff
(the Zonai made the labyrinths and there are a lot of statues and worn down temples in the Faron region of Hyrule)
river veldt
i can see Twili coming back but idk about Midna
river veldt
do it
dire gate
There is definitely something/someone helping Link
It's just we don't know who/what that is
river veldt
maybe the hand is possessed like the one in Princess Mononoke
it's weird to think about how Ganondorf was underneath Hyrule Castle the entirety of BotW
river veldt
i wonder if Darknuts will come back in TotK that would be cool i think
cuz we know Redeads and Gleeok will
er
what i think are Redeads and Gleeok
Gleeok would be especially cool because he's only been in like 3 Zelda games
fresh bane
Well
I'm gonna be disappointed if TOTK isn't a massive overhaul of BOTW
so I would hope that yes they will definitely add a lot more other enemies and especially enemies that haven't appeared yet
I think we've seen a few already
river veldt
oops i was about to say something im not allowed to because it was a leak
fresh bane
river veldt
idk why they'd need to massively overhaul BOTW when it's already perfect /j (kind of)
fresh bane
because people shouldn't pay for the same game twice when it could technically serve as a dlc/expansion of the same game rather than its own (more expensive) release
river veldt
oh it's definitely not just an expansion i can tell you that
fresh bane
Well no I don't mean it literally, but there should be significant changes to justify it being a sequel is all I'm saying
so I hope that there will be more enemies and stuff
ones we haven't seen in BOTW
river veldt
you've watched the trailers right
fresh bane
I saw the most recent trailer
river veldt
it looks quite different except for graphically which i dont think is a problem
fresh bane
I hope there's a lot more to do in towns and in your own home
and from what I saw a lot of the geography and map will be different so that's good
mossy flume
https://tenor.com/view/midna-twilight-princess-legend-of-zelda-twili-gif-2676743...
I miss her.
She was the best companion of all the Zelda games.
Had such depth and complexity to her in a way that was unusual for that role in the Zelda games.
dire gate
Midna and Red Lion King
mossy flume
King of Red Lions was good, but I think Midna still has him beat.
river veldt
he also got a mountain named after him in BOTW!!!!
fresh bane
But Midna is still the best I don't think any other companion tops Midna
dire gate
Best companion is Epona
dire gate
river veldt
yeah but Epona's a horse
fresh bane
<a:horseAlert:991387341799305238>
🐴 ❗
mossy flume
it's really cute to see how their relationship evolves throughout the game
Yeah, that was pretty well done.
river veldt
i like Fi
mossy flume
I think Tatl is underrated as a companion
Tatl was good too
dire gate
Jokes aside, my fav companion probably Midna
mossy flume
-intensifies
fresh bane
I still need to experience Windwaker because I never played it but I do like WW Ganon appearance wise
WW Ganon and TP Ganon are really good
And.. .technically the same guy
dire gate
WW Ganon is absolutely the peak Ganon
fresh bane
question mark?
river veldt
fave companion- Epona i guess
fave boss- uhhhhhhh probably Dark Beast Ganon
fave Link- BOTW or Zelda 1
dire gate
Well WW and TP are different timelines
river veldt
question mark?
let me bust out my Hyrule Historia quick
fresh bane
I mean both of them are the same as OOT Ganon
mossy flume
Different timelines or no, it's still the same guy
dire gate
Yeah
fresh bane
They both come from the same dude
river veldt
i wonder where BOTW is
dire gate
Unknown, assumed as far far future
mossy flume
There's a new fan theory going around
river veldt
oh?👀
mossy flume
That BotW and TotK are prequels to Skyward Sword
dire gate
mossy flume
Not sure I buy that, but I could buy that BotW is actually the earliest in the timeline
river veldt
how does that work if we have the Master Sword
mossy flume
Or far far future.
river veldt
which wasn't forged until Skyward Sword
mossy flume
Really I think it should be pegged at either extreme
river veldt
also guys please join the Zelda thread please im dying for company in there
mossy flume
Was that the thing? I thought Skyward Sword was re-forging of the sword.
river veldt
nop
fresh bane
Skyward Sword was like the genesis of everything
mossy flume
...I couldn't stand the control scheme so I never played it
dire gate
I have already uploaded a super cool Midna drawing in Zelda post
river veldt
Hylia used the Goddess Sword which was then forged by Link into the Master Sword
fresh bane
Literally everything
mossy flume
Fair enough
dire gate
I think the biggest problem of botw being before ss is the existence of Zelda
river veldt
im hoping we get a cool one on one duel with Ganondorf like in TP or SS
mossy flume
There needs to be a proper sword duel between Link and Ganondorf.
river veldt
though it's technically Demise in SS not Ganondorf but whatever
mossy flume
No giant monsters or anything
fresh bane
TP Ganon might not have as much depth as WW Ganon but fuck me does it go hard as a climactic final villain fight
mossy flume
Just them and swords.
fresh bane
Holy shit it's so good
dire gate
There needs to be a *proper* sword duel between Link and Ganondorf.
WW has it
mossy flume
Yeah, but that still involved Zelda
river veldt
No giant monsters or anything
i mean we already beat demon form Ganon in BOTW
fresh bane
and TP too
fresh bane
and it's the best Ganon fight
river veldt
yes i literally just brought up the TP duel
fresh bane
what I always loved about TP is the direct connection with OOT and I love that not only is he the same Ganon facing down another fucking Link but also the other Link from OOT is also here
mossy flume
Ganondorf using the sword that was used to try to execute him is just badass
fresh bane
and his story is tragic as hell
fresh bane
Ganondorf using the sword that was used to try to execute him is just badass
raw as FUCK
mossy flume
My favorite iteration of Ganondorf
His tyrannical cruelty oozes from him and he just has to look at you to get that across.
No words.
dire gate
Ganon lore is quite interesting, because while Demise said "I will come back" and Ganon is generally thought to be the reincarnation of Demise, and we have multiple Link and Zelda, Ganon is actually one and only.
river veldt
yeah
well so is Zelda technically, every Zelda incarnation has the blood of Hylia in her. it's only Link that's different every time
(except in direct sequels)
dire gate
Every Ganondorf we have seen is the exact same person; maybe except BotW-TotK, we have to see that.
fresh bane
Ultimately all Ganon fights will end with Ganon losing control and going into his 'real' form and Zelda helping out in sealing him again or obliterating him with a magic nuke but I do wish that at least one of the games really took that chance and mixed things up a bit, one on one fights with another human character will ALWAYS be the best choice for a final boss fight confrontation and you only need to see such games like Bayonetta, all DMC games, Metal Gear Rising, Hi-Fi Rush, almost all of these games end with a climactic showdown against essentially another you in boss form, no giant monster but a regular sized person who fights like you (except DMC1 and Bayonetta games because Hideki Kamiya is a fool)
mossy flume
Yeah, Link is often just a random guy. In BotW he just happens to be a soldier.
dire gate
Ultimately all Ganon fights will end with Ganon losing control and going into hi...
WW Ganon didn't lose control.
river veldt
we did get a one on one final boss in Zelda II
fresh bane
I never played WW
mossy flume
WW is good stuff
dire gate
It's even funnier, because we fight all the "Monster Ganon" before human Ganon in WW.
mossy flume
And runs very nicely in CEMU with the WiiU HD remaster.
Also runs well on Steam Deck in that config.
river veldt
goood i wish they ported TP and WW to Switch
mossy flume
Right????
Insane that they haven't.
It's right there
Easy $$$$$
Nintendo hates money so much.
I don't understand them.
dire gate
"But if we do that we have to call them Twilight Princess HD HD"
river veldt
i just want them ported so i can see what all the fuss is about with TP
river veldt
hec i still need to play Skyward Sword
i own the port
just havent gotten to it yet
dire gate
There is a possibility they will make Switch 2 more powerful and port them there
mossy flume
Indeed.
dire gate
They may have thought the enhancement isn't significant enough.
river veldt
also ive been all wrapped up in my BOTW replay
dire gate
It's honestly not Switch's fault, it's all Wii U's fault being a bad console 
river veldt
WiiU wasn't that bad
mossy flume
I'm strongly assuming that Switch successor will come out in 2024 and will be approximately similar to the Steam Deck.
river veldt
im not even going to speculate on what the Switch 2 will be like
dire gate
If it actually ends up being as powerful as Steam Deck, it would be absolutely amazing
mossy flume
WiiU was an aggressive economic failure.
fresh bane
Yeah, Link is often just a random guy. In BotW he just happens to be a soldier.
I remember actually liking BOTW Link's background a lot
river veldt
i like Link's backstory in basically every Zelda game. he's always just Some Guy™️
fresh bane
I think it would be really cool if they made Link talk in TOTK, not talk all the time but a Metroid Dread type thing with Samus' only few lines in the entire history of the franchise
mossy flume
Steam Deck is already a mildly dated machine but it works well.
Nintendo hardware will be mildly dated, so I suspect that won't be too far off from an approximation
river veldt
like in LBW he was a blacksmith's apprentice, in TP he was a farm hand, in Zelda 1 he literally was just a guy who helped Impa
dire gate
I think it would be really cool if they made Link talk in TOTK, not talk all the...
The Line : "Excuuuuse me, princess"
fresh bane
With all the money that the Switch made them I would hope that Switch 2 whatever it will end up being will be significantly more powerful
mossy flume
At the very least it'll be better than what is literally just a 2014 tablet.
The CPU and GPU were already a few years old by the time the Switch released.
Cutting corners kinda hard to make it affordable.
river veldt
LttP Link was a bit more chosen one than other games because he had blood of the knights who guarded the royal family
dire gate
Three major roadblocks of Switch 2 being powerful
- The price should be reasonable or people won't buy it
- The console should not be too bulky, it's still portable
- Nintendo
river veldt
yeah true
Koroks were really an upgrade from Kokiri huh
Koroks are adorable
Makar???
fucking cute little guy
i want to punt him like a football (affectionately)
fresh bane
2. The console should not be too bulky, it's still portable
I wish they stopped with the whole portable thing
dire gate
That is definitely not gonna happen lol
river veldt
all of their most bestselling consoles have been portable
except for the Wii i think
fresh bane
because I want them to make a powerful console without having to worry about it also being portable which inevitably means power will have to be sacrificed
I heard the steam deck is pretty good though, it's a bit bulkier and wider than the switch
but it can run games like FF7R at 40 fps no problem from what I saw
dire gate
Nintendo will definitely not try to go full on PS5 or Xbox level "power console"
fresh bane
I never said that
dire gate
Well if they don't and also give up the portability, that basically means "we are fine because we have world's best first party games and that's enough"
Wii U be like : lol yeah I thought that
mossy flume
WiiU had multiple issues
dire gate
For sure it had more issues than that
mossy flume
A lack of third party support was pretty big, but also first party offerings were quite lackluster
fresh bane
and also the marketing sucked ass
slim thorn
wow that was a lot of zelda backlog
mossy flume
The marketing was 100000% stupid
river veldt
Smash 4 was also good
dire gate
Basically my point is that Nintendo won't go full on power console, and if they stop with mid tier console then its only appeal will be "It's Nintendo"
fresh bane
yeah but Smash 4 also released on the 3DS
and the 3DS was really good
so why get a WiiU when you can get it for 3DS
mossy flume
Or on Switch for that matter
river veldt
because the other games i mentioned aren't on 3ds idk ???
dire gate
While "It is Nintendo" is a quite powerful sentence, it's not really something they should rely on
river veldt
i was talking for the time Midnight
mossy flume
Splatoon was a simultaneous release, I think?
river veldt
?
dire gate
Splatoon 1 is Wii U exclusive
river veldt
Splatoon 1 was only on WiiU
slim thorn
if I hadn't been gifted a Switch I might've had to get one for Metroid Dread
mossy flume
???? Huh. Could've sworn it was on Switch.
slim thorn
but other than that, I can't see a game making me buy a Nintendo console
dire gate
2 was on Switch.
river veldt
2 and 3 are on Switch
mossy flume
I played Splatoon 1 but I don't recall ever actually spending time playing WiiU
Weird
river veldt
the brain is a tricky ally
slim thorn
mostly this exclusivity just leads to me ignoring the other Nintendo franchises (until Cap made me play Galaxy and Odyssey)
slim thorn
I am abbreviating a complex chain of events
river veldt
there's a difference i think
dire gate
Wii U had both WW and TP
river veldt
when are you going to play Mario 64 Ix
dire gate
And DKC Tropical Freeze was Wii U exclusive until it got ported to Switch 4 years later
slim thorn
is that not the N64 one I've already played?
rancid herald
Cap, you must be a captain for real if you pier pressured poor Ixrec
river veldt
have you played Sunshine
slim thorn
yeah I've gotten 120 stars in it and everything
fresh bane
Splatoon 1 was WiiU exclusive but the fact that Splatoon 2 sold twice as much as Splatoon 1 and in less time (I think) says a lot
slim thorn
Sunshine I know I played but I forget how far I got
river veldt
it's ok that game is bad
fresh bane
Mario Maker released shortly after on the 3Ds as well
river veldt
Mario Maker on 3ds is garbage
mossy flume
Did you just say Sunshine is bad?
dire gate
Because Wii U sold like shit, all the games on Wii U also sold like shit
river veldt
Did you just say Sunshine is bad? <:rdwut:399725074204065802>
yes
and im tired of pretending it's not
dire gate
The best sold game on Wii U was MK8, which sold 8.46mil
river veldt
ok maybe bad is an overstatement
dire gate
Not a single game sold 10m+ on Wii U
river veldt
it's good but like
mossy flume
MK8 is also like the bestselling game on Switch
slim thorn
I remember liking what I played of Sunshine, I didn't ragequit or anything
river veldt
64, Galaxy, and Odyssey easily outclass Sunshine in every way imaginable
river veldt
i will admit i do have 64 bias
mossy flume
Odyssey never really grabbed me, but I will concur that 64 and Galaxy are better.
river veldt
but Galaxy and Odyssey are objectively better than Sunshine
Mario controls so weirdly in Sunshine and FLUDD never felt right
gaunt marten
I really don't like the gimmicks and controls of sunshine
fresh bane
I was here confused as hell thinking ''what? Mortal Kombat 8 on the WiiU?''
mossy flume
Sunshine was very opinionated in some scenarios for sure.
dire gate
The biggest crime that Sunshine committed is that it gave Mario FLUDD in Smash
river veldt
the setting of Sunshine is def it's strongest aspect and Delfino Plaza is a really cool hub world
gaunt marten
Yes. Fludd is useless in Smash too
slim thorn
Galaxy's the best one because SPAAAAAAACE and it has no jump rope /s
mossy flume
Sunshine was certainly the most rage-inducing Mario game.
river veldt
being able to see other levels in the distance was kickass
river veldt
Yes. Fludd is useless in Smash too
he's not????? you can set up some easy spikes with FLUDD
river veldt
the fucking lilypads broke me
mossy flume
The pachinko machine is the worst
It is an incredibly broken level that didn't get enough playtesting
dire gate
sandbirb
river veldt
cuz you fucking have to do the whole dumbass Yoshi on a boat thing which takes like 10 minutes and then you get a game over on the lilypad level because the lilypads never go where you need them to and have to start all over again
Pachinko and sand bird are fun!!!
mossy flume
That was horrible, but I practiced the sand bird so much I got okay at it
But fuuuucking hell learning sand bird was a nightmare
river veldt
pachinko i did in 1 try 😎
mossy flume
Pachinko machine is just one thing I refuse to play after spending a couple months off and on trying to work it out
river veldt
i would be remiss if i didn't post this while talking about the Pachinko level
https://youtu.be/hZnEdAC9IHI
mossy flume
The pachinko level in Sunshine is the most opinionated game level I've ever played
mossy flume
It redefines Marios physics
river veldt
he broke the gundam
i thought it was a transformer
mossy flume
Which is a cardinal sin of game design.
chilly mural
host a strawpoll
river veldt
should i play Mario Odyssey
what does blunt lyra mean in this scenario
supermarine pls
weak river
Hold on, let me consult the Alethiometer
mossy flume
Eyyy
mossy flume
His Dark Materials was good
weak river
Alethiometer says it's noncommittal, so that way whoever chooses it chooses the correct option no matter what you end up doing
river veldt
Alethiometer says it's noncommittal, so that way whoever chooses it chooses the ...
what
also guys i tried to get the other mods to add blunt Lyra but they didn't like it
so sorry
chilly mural
it's so joever
weak river
what
Or it means that they... are asking you for money?
Listen, these things are difficult to read.
river veldt
wtf
chilly mural
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbpXplP_WFE I love fighting games
gaunt marten
That was really quick, even for a "Games as a service" model game.
ALL REVIEWS:
Mostly Negative (482)
RELEASE DATE:
3 Mar, 2022
Yeah the game didnt even last a year lol
Once again showing were seeing a decline and toleration towards live service games
river veldt
why does PlatinumGames sound familiar what else have they done
thorny loom
Nier automata
river veldt
o
thorny loom
Square enix was the main force behind it though
slim thorn
Bayonetta, Nier, Metal Gear Rising
thorny loom
They lost ALOT of money on avengers and this flopping.
slim thorn
and the most famous Platinum devs are ex-Capcom-ers known for RE, DMC, Okami, so in my head those are all loosely related too
river veldt
epic
slim thorn
wow, there's a lot of lesser known games by Platinum I've never played
rancid herald
rip
hidden elbow
This looks so sick OMG
https://youtu.be/wJi0qAeY_fM
quiet swift
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrtKghTZ51g bellular had a good video on it. Just so many issues
heady bridge
I mean after that and Balan Wonderworld not sure Square-Enix has any shame to feel embarrassment.
gaunt marten
Should have titled the video Babylon's Fall's Fall
quiet swift
Someone on youtube probably did
green fulcrum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrtKghTZ51g bellular had a good video on it. Jus...
Can Square Enix just stick with Final Fantasy, Triangle Strategy, Octopath Traveler, and other such RPGs? That's where they excel, and they seem to fail at everything else.
rancid herald
Square Enix should make us a spyro game
the dragonfly can be a braclet spyro wears and is always wisecracking
heady bridge
I’d argue (single player at least) Final Fantasy has been a mess since…. after X? Mind you I’m a Nihon Falcom stan which makes most of Square-Enix’s modern output look pretty unappealing by comparison…
I’d argue only their more traditional old-style games like Dragon Quest and the 2D-HD stuff has been anything worthwhile.
thorny loom
Yeah shared that earlier. Square enix wants fortnite success with their stuff it seems
Everyone wants to be the next fortnite but in doing so they ensure their own mediocrity and extinction
heady bridge
Didn’t they say the 3 million+ sales of Tomb Raider was a “disappointment”
heady bridge
Yet Amazon were more than willing to invest into the franchise. To the tune that Embracer Group basically got Eidos Montreal and Crystal Dynamics for essentially nothing.
rose rose
(Three hundred million dollars)
quiet swift
Tl;dr: Square wants a blockbuster success a la elden ring, ragnarok and so on level of sales. However, all their attempts fail or are filled with microtransaction/live service bullshit. Their success stories are the more niche products? Maybe not niche, but the stuff that isn't blockbuster stufff - octopath traveler, crisis core, harvestella, etc. Generally stuff that rates positively, but not selling in the utter millions
rose rose
PowerWash Simulator 
rancid herald
I'm still sore over supreme commander 2
quiet swift
That would have been fine on its own - just not SupComm label. It's a completely different design that had nothing to do with it
slim thorn
I'm curious what asian gamers think about squeenix, since microtransactions are more tolerated in those regions, and they probably care about different franchises than us
(I don't even hear about dragon quest most years)
bleak lintel
They probably don't think much about them at all unless the game is on the Switch.
It's a very mismanaged company, they want Final Fantasy to be big again and then lock FF16 to the PS5.
slim thorn
it is hard to escape that conclusion
feels like all the big game companies are "mismanaged" at this point, often putting it mildly
rose rose
I’m not sure I buy that timed platform exclusives (especially to a platform at thirty million units and counting) is itself evidence of mismanagement, especially given we don’t know what sort of payment the receive in exchange for that.
gaunt marten
Did anybody want edge cases for Asian gamers?
dire gate
I'm curious what asian gamers think about squeenix, since microtransactions are ...
They are still considered relevant but people do obviously think they have many problems
rancid herald
feels like all the big game companies are "mismanaged" at this point, often putt...
if that isn't the biggest mood
dire gate
DQ is still a big deal in Japan at least, but as you said the latest maineline game is like 6 years ago
And DQ12 was announced like 2 years ago
rugged flax
HUGE game bundle from Humble with a ton of different stuff.
100% of the proceeds will go to Direct Relief, International Medical Corps, and Save the Children in support of their ongoing Türkiye-Syria quake relief efforts.
https://www.humblebundle.com/games/turkiye-syria-earthquake-relief-bundle
dire gate
The thing about SE is that they have DQ12 FF16 and KH4 all announced and coming
And those are probably the most relevant games for them
heady bridge
Balan Wonderworld 2 or get out. I wanna see how deep this rabbit hole goes 😛
dire gate
Balan Wonderworld 2 or get out. I wanna see how deep this rabbit hole goes 😛
Sure if Yuji Naka wasn't fucking arrested
dire gate
Twitter
slim thorn
?
heady bridge
Dumb take is dumb, I mean I use the term JRPG literally because it’s an RPG made in Japan. Hell yeah it’s discriminatory in my case though because I much prefer a great JRPG over a great Western made RPG >_>
dire gate
slim thorn
I've literally never heard JRPG used as an insult 
dire gate
The referenced video
There was definitely a time period when "JRPG" was considered inherently bad due to its structure
At least for certain people
We still see some remnant of them nowadays
heady bridge
I mean pretty much every genre has recurring traits though
slim thorn
what does "its structure" refer to?
bleak lintel
It's a bit outdated, Western RPGs were stuff like Morrowind or CRPGS like Baldur's Gate.
These days it's all kind of blended together.
dire gate
Yoshi P is definitely referencing to the past period
When they tried to separate "Japanese" RPGs from western ones to call them bad
slim thorn
to be clear I'm not clicking any of these articles because clicks encourage more of that content (and IME reading the whole article is almost always a poor use of my time)
heady bridge
Hell one issue with Final Fantasy XVI I have is it looks so far more like a Western made game anyway so if Yoshi-P wants me to call it a regular ol’ RPG then fine, it makes me less excited for the game when I’m doing so
slim thorn
so, hm, morrowind was...
2002
ok so this was right around when I first got into gaming and probably didn't even know what an RPG was yet, that checks out
(as opposed to today, where I know that no one knows what an RPG is 
)
dire gate
Late 2000s and early 2010s, JRPG was often a pretty...derogatory term
heady bridge
Oh and good ol’ “Sonic was never good and 7.8/10 Too Much Water” IGN, of course they would have clickbait articles like that.
river veldt
is BotW a rpg
dire gate
It still remains partially, you can see some streamers often go react to directs and say like "Oh another JRPG, who cares"
heady bridge
is BotW a rpg
IMO it’s an action adventure title with RPG elements
river veldt
it's listed as a rpg on the eshop
slim thorn
I mean, I "don't care" about most RPGs personally, but that's because I've played several and learned it's not my genre
to the extent it even is a genre any more
river veldt
i dont really like turn based rpgs unless it's Mario
dire gate
ARPGs are often confusing but usually still considered as RPG
uneven epoch
ixrec. you played disco elysium.
dire gate
I mean, I "don't care" about most RPGs personally, but that's because I've playe...
Yeah, but often it is "it looks like JRPG, automatic no for me"
The thing about JRPG is it definitely does not just mean "An RPG game made in Japan"
heady bridge
Yeah, but often it is "it looks like JRPG, automatic no for me"
Usually goes hand in hand with the reactor not liking something because it looks “anime”
slim thorn
right, Disco Elysium is a textbook example of an RPG that works for me because it cuts out most of the things I don't like that "RPG" usually implies (like wildly overcomplicated mechanics, upgrades being so dry, statistical and minor that often none matter, combat that's just watching dice roll and waiting for stuff to die), and focuses on the stuff it really is good at (storytelling, setting, meaningful narrative choices, "no gameplay" that'd get in the way of that)
mossy flume
I've literally never heard JRPG used as an insult <a:izzywhat:891381404741550130...
Yeah, this comment from YoshiP is surprising to me.
IME, JRPG was more of a compliment than anything.
slim thorn
Planescape: Torment was about equally good for me, even though it had all of that distracting RPG fluff, because I could mostly blindly obey a gamefaq and then ignore those parts in favor of the once again great storytelling
dire gate
I can see why he is saying that.
slim thorn
which is my typical experience with games that people refer to as "RPGs" which I end up playing
dire gate
Maybe it is yet another Eastern/Western difference thing? I do not know
heady bridge
I mean it’s just a label to differentiate many different types of game, I hate how everything has to be “offensive” to someone nowadays.
dire gate
I do think the term JRPG didn't start as "just differentiating"
heady bridge
Sure some things genuinely are but you can’t argue that outrage farming isn’t a thing now
slim thorn
or that people never negatively misinterpret what others are saying
heady bridge
Hard to say for me because here in the UK and Europe as a whole in the 80s and early 90s few RPGs even released here, not even stuff you’d think they would of taken a punt on like Super Mario RPG
Final Fantasy VII was like the first major success in the territory
slim thorn
to the extent there's any truth to this, it must have been a highly regional or temporal thing, because this claim that "JRPG" had a negative meaning is so brand new to me, despite me being exposed to so much discourse about several subtypes of RPGs, that I am pretty confident it's not a thing where and when I've been around
maybe it stuck with a super weird meaning over in Japan since they likely don't refer to their own country's RPGs as the "J" ones as often as we do
dire gate
For me the concept of JRPG being a negative term, or at least being automatically connected to negative ideas, was there for like 10 years
slim thorn
FF7 was also the first JRPG, and arguably the first clear-cut "RPG", I ever seriously attempted to play (and it was already a retro game)
heady bridge
I mean, wasn’t “mascot platformer” used as a derogatory term for anything not from Nintendo (and until about 1994, Sega) back in the 90s due to the deluge you had of those types of games, many of dubious quality
dire gate
I would most definitely say that JRPG being used as a negative term is nowhere near a new idea.
slim thorn
never heard that phrase before
random steppe
I think that there was a span of time, in which JRPGs dominated the RPG market massively, and a brief point in time, in which a subset of people were definitely tried of the genre and disregarded it rather vehemently.
dire gate
JRPG is a subset more than just being "Japanese"
And it is quite often connected to negativity.
heady bridge
Dark Souls is the Dark Souls of JRPGs… >_>
gaunt marten
Dark Souls is a turn based strategy game
slim thorn
I think the Dark Souls example has more to do with DS spawning its own maybe-genre and that the RPG elements are not one of the things which draws people to the genre as a whole (in fact, I don't think any of the non-Fromsoft Soulslikes I've played were RPGs)
sour hill
But people don't really want to call it JRPG.
Tbf it's barely an RPG in the first place
dire gate
It is an RPG game, that is undeniable
random steppe
I think most people would define it as Action RPG
slim thorn
Gen's explanation would make sense, I definitely wasn't hearing about RPGs until after there were plenty of western ones so the sentiment may have simply died before it reached me
sour hill
I think it would be misleading to say to someone "Oh you like RPGs? Try Dark Souls, it's a good RPG"
random steppe
It is an RPG game, that is undeniable
But is it tho? Would you define Assassin's Creed as an Open World RPG?
slim thorn
yeah, that's like calling Elden Ring a platformer because it has a jump button
random steppe
Because it has about as many RPG elements as Dark Souls
slim thorn
when you pick just one genre term to describe a game, you're heavily implying none of the other genre terms are better descriptions
dire gate
Well then it goes back to "what is RPG even"
slim thorn
I was deliberately avoiding that question lol
sour hill
Genres in general tend to not have hard definitions
dire gate
Dark Souls have literally every aspects of RPG games
bleak lintel
Tends to be you gain levels and increase stats.
dire gate
It has story, character, level, stat, equipments
bleak lintel
As a baseline most of these roots are from DnD.
dire gate
It includes some that aren't even in certain RPG games
random steppe
Everyone would agree that Assassin's Creed has RPG elements, but it's weird that I don't feel like calling it a RPG
slim thorn
my honest opinion is that the term has lost a lot of its usefulness as the good features and mechanics which used to define RPGs have now permeated every other genre as standard parts of just about any game that'd benefit from them, so a "just RPG" is now so deeply ambiguous as to say very little... except maybe that your character has at least 5 numerical stats that level up in tiny increments periodically
dire gate
Yet it is often considered something else than an RPG game
bleak lintel
Modern creeds would be a ARPG.
slim thorn
like, Metroid gives you energy and missile stats that increase when you find items, but we don't consider that an RPG; wherever the line is it's more than two numbers
heady bridge
Many modern games lift chunks from multiple genres, open world titles especially.
dire gate
It's a weird genre for sure.
Is Legend of Zelda RPG series?
Link never has level or stats to him
bleak lintel
Zelda 2 had levels and stats.
slim thorn
IMO the Zeldas I've played mostly aren't RPGs
dire gate
Except that one yes
heady bridge
His heart count? That’s technically a stat right?
random steppe
It has stats right?
bleak lintel
Zelda feels like it is primary an action adventure.
random steppe
At least BOTW
gaunt marten
Today I learned about this dumb speedrunning category https://www.speedrun.com/1545/
dire gate
It kind of has yes
sour hill
Darks Souls could be classified as an RPG, but it would be misleading to refer to only that as the primary genre. It's more an RPG because action RPGs imply being an RPG, but this is different from being a "pure" RPG.
We could be having this exact same conversation about music genres
gaunt marten
Runners must complete the following categories of the thirteen games: SM64 120 Stars SMS 120 Shines SMG 120 Stars SMG2 242 Stars BK 100% BT 100% DK64 101% Spyro 1 120% Spyro 2 100% Spyro 3 117% Crash 1 100% Crash 2 100% Crash 3 105%
slim thorn
if BotW had stats beyond health and stamina I never noticed them
random steppe
They are not tied to levels but to equipment and items you find but it does have stats
fresh bane
https://youtu.be/d3G5EaihIK0
the modding community is fucking insane
dire gate
No game is "pure RPG"
slim thorn
not any more at least
dire gate
Pokemon feels different from other RPG games, but it is also considered as an RPG game series.
slim thorn
it seems like it was a much more useful term back when (C)RPGs were new, and most of the video games that were not (C)RPGs had almost nothing in common with them
sour hill
No game is "pure RPG"
Off the top of my head I would call many of the Ultima games pure RPGs
bleak lintel
A lot of these terms were developed when the design of games were limited by hardware.
dire gate
Anyway, the specific time period when JRPG started being a negative term is around mid 2000s.
slim thorn
trying to pin down precise meanings of genre terms is usually missing the point; in practice, art and entertainment form loose clusters, so we name those things to help talk about them, and over time the arrangement of clusters changes so a lot of these terms either stop making sense or shift in meaning
RPG just got it worse than almost any other video game genre term, because it was uniquely fuzzy to begin with
dire gate
It is the time period when JRPG was automatically tied to "grindy, boring, obvious plots, etc"
bleak lintel
These days they're pretty much tags rather than a single identity.
dire gate
It peaks around the infamous "It sucks" from Phil Fish in 2012
heady bridge
RPGs are mostly split into 3 types, you have action RPGs, turn-based RPGs and strategy RPGs, though those last two can kinda meld together
sour hill
trying to pin down precise meanings of genre terms is usually missing the point;...
Yeah, it's like how "Modern Classical" does not refer to brand new classical music. And how "progressive rock" does not refer to new genre-defying rock music
slim thorn
and if we're really trying to describe games accurately and concisely, we end up using a small pile of fairly fuzzy but nonetheless useful genre terms like "narratively Soulslike hack-and-slash 2D Metroidvania" or whatever
heady bridge
I’m still waiting on my puzzle RPG from Tetris where I can get to play as the L-block
dire gate
Conclusion, I totally understand what Yoshi P said
heady bridge
He seems to suggest the term is racist and I really do not get that, like, at all.
dire gate
I don't think he was trying to say it is racist
slim thorn
I'm still not watching the video and doubt it'd be productive to analyze his precise wording. Clearly, there are a lot of people who see "JRPG" as a neutral descriptive term, and there are a lot of people who've seen it used as an insult. Since none of us were using it as an insult, there's not much we can contribute to improving the situation.
heady bridge
Maybe not overtly but he did call it discriminatory, I just feel Yoshi-P is living a bit too much on hang ups some had about the genre in the past, i.e. caring a little too much what others think.
gaunt marten
It is discriminatory. Some types of discrimination are benign and acceptable
slim thorn
so let's try something more interesting: when I hear "JRPG", this is what the word implies to me:
- the style of RPG video games popularized by series like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest
- typically there is a clear and sharp divide between combat segments, exploration segments, and cutscenes
- the combat system is often turn-based, and even if real time almost always involves some turn-like concept
- your player character leads a "party" of multiple NPCs
- every character in your party has a level, gains experience to level up, has several numerical stats that may increase by tiny increments on level up
- every character has customizable equipment, and must be regularly re-customized to stand any chance of finishing the game as you acquire better and better stuff and the enemies get stronger and stronger
- in addition to attack, defense, health, magic, etc numbers, there is a set of "status effects" such as sleep and poison and confuse that do special things and require special actions to resolve
- the storytelling tends toward extremely long cutscenes, and likely has a lot of tropes we'd recognize from manga/anime, but most often favors a vaguely medieval European "swords and sorcery" fantasy setting
and we could go on but that's probably enough to figure out if my concept is wildly different from any of yours
sour hill
That too
slim thorn
that falls under "tropes we'd recognize from manga/anime"
uneven epoch
quiet swift
To me jrpg is like looking at western animation vs anime. There's distinctive differences, and not necessarily just the arstyle
dawn harness
What
thorny loom
Hi btw ember i saw you were a nice person on the bundle
slim thorn
I feel like western RPGs evolved too quickly to really get stuck with "western RPG" referring to some clear concept we all have
gaunt marten
Roguelikes - permadeath
slim thorn
it feels like they went from copy-pasting D&D mechanics verbatim, to heavily favoring action RPGs by the time I showed up, and now arguably not even a genre but a set of "elements" that every other genre talks about having
it's super weird
uneven epoch
Its embers fault
come now, you've been here since before me. surely you remember the old rule six
"always blame wcct"
graceful bridge
river veldt
mc dungeons is good
dense crypt
yo code vein
graceful bridge
mc dungeons is good
I've seen it called "Minecraft Diablo"
thorny loom
Yeah it basically is
visual hill
speaking of Diablo, I should try it one day
fickle garnet
Same
visual hill
gotta find the secret kirin level 
fickle garnet
I've never played it
dire gate
It is so hilarious to see that “Elden Ring DLC should add a pause button” is even a thing
slim thorn
huh?
dire gate
Elden ring can’t be paused unless if you go a specific option
I think it was like menu explanation or smth
visual hill
there are mods for it, but yeah, in vanilla, it acts like a multiplayer game to add challenge
can't pause mid-fight to think
dire gate
I can’t see why adding a pause is even a “discussion”, I do think it absolutely needs one
gaunt marten
I agree. The reasoning for not having a pause button is that for invaders
But you can have it so pause is only disabled upon getting invaded.
visual hill
when you increase FOV in Metro 2033, you end up with a "My arms are up there." situation
but it's absolutely needed to avoid nausea, the default value (50° vertical) is very low even by console game standards
thorny loom
quiet swift
That, and these games can take more than 5 years to make - where live services were maybe less at a breaking point for players (as in there's an overload of them now and people are getting tired of them since there's no time to play all these battle passes). So these projects were greenlit in an area where these were maybe going to have a longer life, but releasing now is nooooooot the same landscape
slim thorn
trend chasing is kind of a terrible idea in a market where almost every project takes multiple years to complete
quiet swift
Indeed, and indeed
dapper cedar
Wooo
The discussion in #manechat earlier got me in the mood to play, didn’t expect to get the emeralds cause usually I’m terrible at that but pleasantly surprised
river veldt
epic!!!
dapper cedar
Somehow managed to get through without encountering the drowning music
Like for the Labyrinth boss I was way ahead of the water, already at the top before it caught up with me
astral steeple
YES
was able to get my hands on the razer hydra motion pc controller set for 90 dollars on ebay
quartz pawn
Is it alright for me to ask if anyone wants to play on Switch with me in the general gaming thread section?
gaunt marten
Gonna have to be more specific if you want anyone to actually play
quartz pawn
Anyone want to play SNES Switch online with me?
oblique stone
I got addicted to playing this game.
Maybe it's the motorcycle or the inspiration of ride or die.
This game is fun to play with two players.
I was at all you can play arcade for 10$ and it was a lot of fun.
light gate
I may or may not have bought the physical version of Maretime Bay.
sour hill
I expect to see a speedrun
light gate
Not sure if the Switch is a good console to speed run, but I wouldn’t mind trying it out to be honest!
rich axle
gaunt marten
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/yuji-naka-admits-guilt-in-square-enix-insider-trading-case/
That's two counts of insider trading
Each punishable by up to five years in jail and five million yen.
He made 20m yen from the second case
young creek
im more interested in the hat
thorny loom
fresh bane
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/yuji-naka-admits-guilt-in-square-enix-i...
Yuji Naka going for a leisurely stroll across the city when suddenly ''Escape from the City'' starts playing as sirens can be heard in the distance
slim thorn
I just noticed "5D Chess With Multiverse Time Travel" on Steam has the "Survival Horror" tag 
mossy flume
That is the strangest version of chess I've ever played
It's wholly incomprehensible
The only version of chess that I know of where you can end up with four kings on the board and then get checkmated 14 moves ago.
chilly mural
Yuji Naka going for a leisurely stroll across the city when suddenly ''Escape f...
the truck is gonna chase him
minor gorge
I thought that was just a meme.
slim thorn
I really want to play 5D chess but alas it's not a single player game
fresh bane
the truck is gonna chase him
also I just saw a post about the Mario movie apparently Luigi is the one who's going to be fulfilling the 'damsel in distress' role and not Peach, I thought it was kinda apparent even from the first few trailers but hey neat
I think it makes a lot more sense that Mario would wanna save his brother and not some princess
That does make me wonder if there's any kind of background lore or anything for the first few Mario games, I never really even thought about what is even happening in those games asides from the princess is captured go rescue her
bleak lintel
I bought Persona Strikers so it looks like another 50 hours of Persona.
mossy flume
I really want to play 5D chess but alas it's not a single player game
It has an AI you can play against
It can be single player
gaunt marten
dense crypt
yo, orbital weapons!?
quiet swift
And on Epic today
thorny loom
Skywalker saga on sale $20 https://store.steampowered.com/app/920210/LEGO_Star_Wars_The_Skywalker_Saga/
gaunt marten
It's only a 60% sale
thorny loom
Is there one your waiting on
gaunt marten
Not particularly. I usually consider games at ten dollars or 75% off, with a few loose heuristics
gaunt marten
That's a good sale!
thorny loom
I finally have your approval on a sale lol
arctic fern
pity dead island sucks
grim stirrup
nahnahnah
dense crypt
it doesn't suck it's just hilariously janky
that said, new game plus is literally unplayable
because there's an escort segment involving a guy who's HP doesn't scale into new game plus.
gaunt marten
Just don't let them get hit
slim thorn
so Fez is pretty good
thorny loom
Shame there wont be a sequel
arctic fern
dying light 1 is amazing, i still havent played 2
river aspen
I may or may not have bought the physical version of Maretime Bay. <:ponee:92595...
Yooo a price that isn't completely outrageous though arguably may still be too high
mossy flume
Huh…
Take-Two is a lot bigger than I thought.
That would indeed be basically a retaliatory purchase
thorny loom
https://www.xfire.com/sony-preparing-buy-take-two-interactive/
I see another anti trust suit from this
OOF
gaunt marten
Koei Tecmo has been on a bad streak
fickle garnet
Yikes
gaunt marten
Fueled largely by greedy decisions
teal sonnet
https://www.xfire.com/sony-preparing-buy-take-two-interactive/
oh fucking god no
river veldt
Tecmo??? like Tecmo Bowl????
teal sonnet
OOF
eh
people are mad because of keyboard sensitivity problems
people on steam really does not know how to make reviews
gaunt marten
Tecmo??? like Tecmo Bowl????
Like Dynasty Warriors
quiet swift
proud warren
one hand clapping?
I really want that, but I don't have a dedicated place for something like that
proud warren
It's a game where you use your voice
I'd be too loud; walls in my house are very thin 
gaunt marten
I see
gaunt marten
Yes I already looked at the store page
proud warren
I've had my eye on that game for a while
but I just never had a place where I can play it
gaunt marten
Odds are it's a good idea to grab it while it's free and wait until you can play it
green fulcrum
random steppe
I mean, the game isn't out so who knows
Deciding before you can verify that an article must be lying is as bad as the article being bad and clickbaity
sour hill
Tecmo??? like Tecmo Bowl????
Hell yeah Tecmo Bowl
random steppe
Given past FF experiences, i generally prefere when those writers don't try to write black people, because the results are...varied
dire gate
March 9 is a literal bombardment
Mario movie trailer
MK8D DLC
Metroid Fusion
Level 5 direct
river veldt
https://youtu.be/8o-1bhvB1qk
wowsa
river veldt
Hell yeah Tecmo Bowl
idk how to play it because idk anything about football but it's cool because NES games are cool
mossy flume
Gotta get in on that Metroid Dread prequel action.
dire gate
I...honestly I don't know. I'm an Asian, so I'm a PoC, the development team of FF series are Japanese, so they are mostly PoCs.
Calling out People of Color for not including People of Color in the game
green fulcrum
Level 5 direct
OH MAN I FORGOT ABOUT THIS! It's miserable that it takes place on a work day for me, but I'm super excited to see more footage for the new Professor Layton game.
random steppe
Calling out People of Color for not including People of Color in the game
Well they are the dominant power group in their culture, so they don't get that card to play
random steppe
If they were developing in the us, it'd be a fair thing to point out
dire gate
Well but the issue here is that the majority of characters are white
It's like "How dare you make games full of White People, Asians??"
random steppe
Even if that was the case, an asian person that hate black people is still racist.
Not saying they do, but it doesn't necessarily defeats the point by itself
Almost assuredly they aren't
Ultimately, I feel like the FF writers over the years, know well how to portray prejudice and seem to be on the right side of history.
Occasionally they tried to put black characters in their games and in my modest opinion, they came out a bit stereotyped if nothing else for lack of familiarity with the cultures.
Sazh being a good example.
river veldt
i adore Barrett and can kind of recognise how stereotyped he is
random steppe
Yeah, I feel like it's good natured because they build good characters despite the stereothypes.
Sazh is probably the best developed character in FFXIII
And he is extremely good natured and caring
river veldt
yea true
random steppe
(now, if the game was good it'd be awesome)
random steppe
7 is good, yeah
river veldt
i wish i could play the remake 😔
random steppe
It's not new for fantasy series to use fantasy races as way to send messages about prejudice, and I'm happy to let them do that, IMO it's where they do their best work.
They did it pretty well in FFX with the Albhed for example.
Even more extreme in FFXIV they did it very well with the tribes
thorny loom
i adore Barrett and can kind of recognise how stereotyped he is
But i love barrett
Nothing is quite like .50 caliber rifle
river veldt
no Barrett is awesome
gaunt marten
Yeah, you don't get to date Vincent or Cait Sith
gaunt marten
It's not new for fantasy series to use fantasy races as way to send messages abo...
I felt like Al Bhed was not especially good in the sense they were not laying it on thick enough
sour hill
idk how to play it because idk anything about football but it's cool because NES...
I used to play it a lot with my dad because it was one of the games he had as a kid
random steppe
I'm not sure if that's sarcasm Flitter 
gaunt marten
Not sarcasm
random steppe
Huh, interesting.
gaunt marten
They needed to really, really make them more Middle Easternish. I couldn't relate
random steppe
It's true that they didn't do it that much, but the fact that they put a racist, and someone of the race they hate, in your group, was very, very effective.
gaunt marten
Yeah. It was generic but well done
random steppe
The whole dynamic and how the dude was eventually forced to confront it was really well done
Like, it wasn't the whole point of the story, but it was a way to do it well despite dedicating relatively little screentime on it
gaunt marten
Yeah
Look I just wanted the secret Al Bhed language to be just Arabic so I could feel cool for understanding it
random steppe
That would have been a good move I feel, it's definitely the vibe they were shooting for
gaunt marten
Instead I would have had to memorize the cipher or find every book
random steppe
The substitution cypher was a bit weird, like, it's good in a way, because it's not so complex you can't interface with it
But also it is kind of immersion shattering
Really? These dudes language is english with the letters shuffled around?
gaunt marten
It's not a bad way to go about it but it is a little lazy way to go about it.
random steppe
Yeah
gaunt marten
Considering the story would be fine without the cipher and translation mechanisms, it's acceptable to do it this way
random steppe
Like, the fact that if you put some time you can actually understand it, is definitely a success.
I wish that less of the language was gated behind find random cypers in the world, and maybe have Rikku teach you some of those letters at milepoints of the story.
A sort of "interacting with this person allows you to understand more of her culture" in a very tangible way
gaunt marten
Yeah
grave tide
Sony: “fine, if they’ll buy Activision… WE’LL BUY TAKE TWO.”
Sony will buy KSP
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
And The Outer Worlds
wind stump
and games as a service?
quiet swift
That too bur less likely
bleak lintel
Their AA output tends to do well, it's their AAA output that tends to miss their marks.
I don't think the NFT plans ever took off, Yoshida outright refused putting it in FF14.
rancid herald
SquareEnix was forspoken, right?
heady bridge
I do wonder is the Luminous Engine will be ditched, I mean in well over a decade a whole 2 games were made using it; Final Fantasy XV (which is… divisive) and Forspoken (which is pants).
Do we know what engine Final Fantasy XVI is using?
bleak lintel
I think they moved back to Unreal.
The lead dev of Luminous Engine left SE so it's probably a dead engine.
heady bridge
So the engine it runs on is.... ????
I wonder if it's a fork of Luminous
or Crystal Tools which was used for XIV
Though Crystal Tools is pretty old now, the last single player game that ran was Lightning Returns.
random steppe
Oh, it makes a lot of sense
Like, this is creative business unit 3, they have 10 years of experience on Crystal Tools, it's probably a smart idea to use that one
heady bridge
Wouldn't be shocked if some stuff from Luminous would be brought over at least
random steppe
I think that they needed a win with single player FF, 13 was not good, 15 was controversial and not concluded appropriately
They went with "We have this team that does good work, let's not fuck with it by forcing a new enginge on them for a slighly shinier game" approach
Which is smart
None cares if there are 12 less pixels on the character nose as long as the game is good
Unless the character is Nahbdeen in FFXIV
He probably has less than 12 pixels in the whole face, the poor man
uneven epoch
"i will not click this i will not click this i will not-"
random steppe
To be fair, his job is getting hit in the face, so it might be an evolutional advantage
It's a very minor character, so you wouldn't get spoiled much
Also you can prepare yourself mentally for when he happens, it's not a pretty sight
uneven epoch
oh no
quiet swift
random steppe
Listen, in the next expansions they are redoing some character models, maybe they'll fix him before you get to him.
There is hope yet for him
uneven epoch
i give them three to nine months
thorny loom
https://mp1st.com/news/report-final-fantasy-16-does-not-run-on-unreal-engine-or-...
Obviously is web3 crypto engine 2077 bruh
God that hurt to type
heady bridge
Hurts enough to read 😛
thorny loom
heady bridge
Might look nice but how much will it tank performance.
quiet swift
visual hill
Might look nice but how much will it tank performance.
it can play Quake 2 RTX at period-appropriate resolution at 30 FPS
(640x480, maybe even less)
gaunt marten
I wish Valve would make a launcher that was performant first and only catered to those that want a "modern" UI after the UI was made fast and useful
quiet swift
The saddest of patch notes
gaunt marten
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/889750/view/3658649059272382737?l=englis...
Yeah, I linked to it earlier
rancid herald
death of a game
quiet swift
Ah, right
thorny loom
dense crypt
paper mario vibes
fresh bane
https://www.pcgamer.com/the-sims-4s-next-expansion-will-make-sims-actually-care-...
''In this new Sims expansion we have captured the souls of real players and dumped them into the virtual characters, this gives the developers opportunities to create more realistic relationships and emotions than ever before 
''
green fulcrum
So, I decided to buy Pathfinder: Kingmaker, along with all the DLC that comes with it. I got it all for a really good deal of about $15 because everything was like 70% off. It looks pretty cool!
gaunt marten
Have fun. Write a review. I'm interested in the game too
green fulcrum
I will whenever I get around to it. 
Based on the reviews I've read/watched, it seems to be somewhat of a mix between Pillars of Eternity, the actual Pathfinder TTRPG, Frostpunk (in regards to the empire management), and Divinity: Original Sin 2. Combat can be either real time with pause or turn-based.
It's apparently a liiittle bit light on the main story, but it comes with a plethora of quests which expand the story with arcs, lootable dungeons, and more that make up for it.
fresh bane
cool reddit post I found pointed out how Cammy's new SF6 design still retains the imagery of her braids by making her jacket straps ridiculously long
just to keep that same feeling intact
It's pretty cool how much depth goes into designing fighting games, from characters to everything else
fresh bane
even more so for fighting games
her classic costume will be available of course so I'm guessing it's also made this way so it's easier to animate and model her braids
gaunt marten
I don't know about fighting games but they're very important in many genres where you need to identify a silhouette in a crowd or from afar
fresh bane
so that's an extra bit of reason for this to exist outside of design
To be fair it's a very important thing character design wise in anything
quiet swift
finishes Dead Space \o/
A tad frustrating at times, but I get why people like the game
slim thorn
I remember mostly breezing through it, but I did play the original three
only complaint is the first brute fight
quiet swift
Aye the remake, I think I played the original many years ago but got frustrated or annoyed early on and never got past the... second chapter or something? And yeah the first brute fight, no fucking clue what to do and probably beat it by luck. Even the second one i had to look up what I needed to do
dense crypt
thanks sanes
chilly mural
someone in the fight game local took a picture of the players we got going for the friday night, we were running a bunch of fighting games
sage iris
TFH better be part of it
gaunt marten
slim thorn
oh right, I got a Fez ending yesterday
though I’m unsure what to do next because there’s no continue, only NG+, on top of me already being out of ideas for all the unsolved parts
heady bridge
Yay!
gaunt marten
I have not yet played Fez
slim thorn
...wow, no wonder I couldn't solve these "harder" puzzles, they rely on the player making a few very specific assumptions without any clues, and the ones I already "solved" I apparently got right by dumb luck so I had no idea what the others were missing
slim thorn
If you're playing on the Xbox, the controller has two rumble springs, one on the right side and one on the left. The solution to these statue codes is to feel which side of your controller rumbles and use that pattern to solve the code.
does anyone notice this without being told???
I've bee using this controller for years and never realized there was more than one rumble generation thingy in it
gaunt marten
Most games use both equally
slim thorn
makes sense, I feel like 90% of its usage is just to shake around whenever something hits you or a cutscene shows stuff shaking
which mostly means I can't put my controller down safely unless the game's paused
gaunt marten
Some games helpfully continue controller vibration while paused until you unpause
fresh bane
new pc parts arriving today
minus the graphics card but that one is gonna arrive soon too, once that arrives I'll have fully upgraded most of the computer
my brother recommended me buy a SSD which I did because it was actually pretty cheap so that's an extra upgrade there
green fulcrum
Congrats! :D
fresh bane
Thanks 
hopefully it'll be a significant upgrade