general gaming

[gaunt marten]

Mario Kart 8 has been getting consistent updates, so I feel it's fair for it to still be full price (even though I can't justify that price)

[young creek]

sorry guys but id pay 200 for Zelda 👴

[gaunt marten]

You're the reason prices keep going up

[grim stirrup]

i'd pay a solid 37 p

[arctic fern]

while i do understand the gaming cost frustration, usually nintendo games stay high priced because they're worth that price even decades later

[young creek]

its a massive game the company has spent 6 years on and im going to get way more than 70 dollars out of it

BIG games shouldnt cost what they did in 1994

but the downside is nintendo will also charge 70 dollars for their ass games if theres no backlash

[arctic fern]

also true

[grim stirrup]

its a weird balance a lot of people are fine with cheaper games with a shit tonne of dlcs making them more expensive for the same amount, rimworld is like 100 quid all dlcs nowdays

[arctic fern]

yeah but rimworld is more than worth it

unlike most games, rimworlds DLCs are full expansions

[rancid herald]

I don't think people would really want to pay the 'true cost' of a game if it was freed from the $70 price point

because it would almost certainly go up, not down

[sour hill]

$70 for a new AAA game feels fair in the current US market. Everything's getting more expensive

Like, if you account for inflation that's cheaper than games were in 2010

[young creek]

2010?

People were paying 60 dollars for games in the 90s

Maybe even the 80s! (I wasnt alive)

[sour hill]

Yeah but that's before I was born so it doesn't feel real

[arctic fern]

i would rather pay £100 for a nintendo game than £60 for an EA game with singleplayer microtransactions

[grim stirrup]

yeah but each game is being sold to way more people

[gaunt marten]

Back then the higher price point was justified because the majority of the cost of a game was in the supply chain, delivering and selling an expensive physical product

[arctic fern]

thats not an excuse for games to go that high in price mind

[thorny loom]

https://www.pcgamer.com/after-a-long-train-of-farces-the-day-before-devs-put-out-statement-decrying-disinformation-about-their-game/

[gaunt marten]

Nowadays the market is bigger, allowing for more people to cover the development cost, AND the delivery cost of the games is comparatively negligible as digital games.

[sour hill]

Yeah but ya gotta spend 10 million on marketing so y'know

[gaunt marten]

Marketing does pay off more than it costs in extra sales. It's a revenue center, rather than a cost center

[sour hill]

I was joking, but yeah

Either way, I have too many games that I haven't even played yet to worry about the cost of new games

[wind stump]

omae wa mou

Surprisingly I nailed headshots on Widow/Ashe without abusing Reflect

[gaunt marten]

My favorite research in EU4, https://i.imgur.com/m3JhbiL.png

Allows for the imperialism casus belli, allowing you to declare war on literally anyone for no good cause

And then whenever it suits you, you can make client states (like what happened in Napoleonic times)

For every other war you have to have a justification, no matter how flimsy. For Imperialism it's "Fuck you, that's why." https://i.imgur.com/H9CYXJw.png

[fresh bane]

The unfortunate reality is that despite Nintendo's anti consumer practices or bad releases whether it be a game that is underwhelming or simply bad, and despite a subscription service that is not worth the price, people still keep throwing money at Nintendo

So they literally have no reason to change their ways at all because they're still successful

At the end of the day people are gonna get what they get and I can't put all the blame on Nintendo when people can't stop themselves from buying things and throwing more money at them

[gaunt marten]

Of course you can. It's easier to put the blame on Nintendo because there's only one or two of it

[river veldt]

i think NSO is worth it

[unreal idol]

Google says there are seven Nintendos

[static bluff]

my dad thinks every video game console is a nintendo

[river veldt]

Onosa what are your Nintendo Direct predictions

[static bluff]

Mother 3

[river veldt]

whoa!

[static bluff]

It's gonna happen guys

[fresh bane]

Of course I can but I won't, and even then ''Nintendo'' is such a nebulous concept anyway, I say Nintendo but really I mean all the shitty executives making these decisions because I know damn sure the developers aren't in charge of these decisions

[river veldt]

what if it actually does

[static bluff]

I'll continue to ignore it

[river veldt]

you havent played Mother 3???

[unreal idol]

Our friend wants to watch the Direct all together at his place tonight

[static bluff]

i played a little

[unreal idol]

So we're gonna make it an evening together haha

[river veldt]

youve played Earthbound Beginnings but not Mother 3

[random steppe]

I'm not watching but ping me if they somehow announce Silksong release date

[static bluff]

I need to get back into mother 1 but I think I'm stuck atm

[unreal idol]

Mother is such a rough game

[river veldt]

where are you stuck at

(they ask having never played Mother before)

[static bluff]

I forgot

lol mario

[unreal idol]

It really leans hard into those typical, brutal 80s JRPG tropes

[static bluff]

you are a silly goose

yeah it does pk

[unreal idol]

It's super easy to get lost and not know where to go or what to even do

[static bluff]

but like that's fine

I have save states

[unreal idol]

Yeah, it's fine for what it is

[sour hill]

I beat mother 1 out of spite

[unreal idol]

I have a personal hard time recommending it to players unless they understand what playing an old JRPG usually entails

[static bluff]

• Dad Eyes attacks

[unreal idol]

I beat it using a walkthrough

There is no way I could have beaten it on my own

[static bluff]

yeah, I think a manual is straight up required

[sour hill]

The puzzle with the cactus was hard

[river veldt]

why out of spite

[unreal idol]

It's not a bad game, but younger Earthbound fans may not fully grasp what they're getting into and are less likely to have fun with it

I consider it more of a curiosity for the hardcore fans

But, a very important one all the same

[static bluff]

• You cannot grasp the form of Mother 1's attack

[river veldt]

has Shigesato Itoi worked on any other games after Mother 3

[unreal idol]

Objectively speaking, Earthbound is just a better Mother

[static bluff]

No question

[sour hill]

I went into it knowing it would not be fun, but it's got such a crazy vibe I had to experience everything anyways

[static bluff]

Like... in every way it's better, but I do love hearing the 8-bit melodies

[unreal idol]

But man, I remember playing it on emulator back in 2001 and just being so fucking mind blown that it even existed

It was fucking awesome

[river veldt]

wow that was before i was born

[unreal idol]

Yes my son

[river veldt]

i am not your son

i am my son

[unreal idol]

yet

[river veldt]

[minor plover]

yeah, my wife has started playing Dark Souls and she's like "this feels like a game from the mid-90s and I love it!" She's the kind of person who wants the game to kill her over and over. (She also plays Minecraft on hardcore.)

JRPGs aren't quite her thing because they seem more obscure than hard, but the obscure features of Dark Souls are a bonus when stacked with just being difficult.

[static bluff]

Well, so, like, Mother 1 isn't that kind of hard. It's obtuse.

The Legend of Zelda is that kind of hard

[sour hill]

It's mostly just not fun to play lol

[river veldt]

my predictions for the Direct are Donkey Kong Country and Mario movie clip

[unreal idol]

Long ago I helped beta test an Earthbound Zero ROM hack that was put out by Clyde Mandelin

One of the biggest points was reduced difficulty

[fresh bane]

that's an interesting reaction

but nice

she plays minecraft on hardcore
oh that explains it /s

[wind stump]

REIMU FOR SMASH

I never stopped believing

[unreal idol]

I'm going to see if I can find documentation for it

[river veldt]

perhaps Arkham Collection for Switch 👀

[unreal idol]

I enjoyed helping to beta test it and it made the game more enjoyable

[sour hill]

Dark souls does feel like it was made by people who play a lot of old games, but it itself doesn't feel like an old game, if that makes sense

[fresh bane]

what would reimu's final smash be

[fresh bane]

I mean it's pretty much kings field but third person sort of

[wind stump]

https://youtu.be/7mkXJ3FeM4U

[river veldt]

were probablt gonna get Kirby Dreamland stuff

[sour hill]

Bro I've just wanted waluigi in smash, is that so much to ask??

[river veldt]

yes

[unreal idol]

Aha. It wasn't the NES/FC version, but the GBA port of Mother

[river veldt]

there was a gba port?

[unreal idol]

Yes. It's shit

[river veldt]

lol

[unreal idol]

No straight up, it's not a good port

I own it, it's cute for the novelty of M/M2 on the go but it's not really built well for the GBA

M2 especially suffers hard in the sound department

[river veldt]

oh

[fresh bane]

https://youtu.be/satPLzPgpig
leaked footage of Reimu's announcement for Smash
it's real I know a guy that knows a guy that works at Nintendo

[sour hill]

Nahhh I've tried playing king's field 4, it's nothing like dark souls. that's a game that feels like it was made in the 90s

[river veldt]

my dad works at Nintendo

[unreal idol]

http://mother12.earthboundcentral.com/#why Anyway this was what I helped work on, mostly just doing a full play test to look for bugs, typos, and make sure overall game balance with the Easy Ring was smooth

[river veldt]

have you guys heard of the Pizza Tower game

[unreal idol]

Nothing big, but it was fun

[fresh bane]

I mean 2001 so you're not too far off there although the original trilogy was from 94 to 96

But honestly at this point who the fuck knows apparently people now are starting to act as if DS2 is actually a greatly designed game and the best Dark Souls so I've stopped caring about discussing Dark Souls' game design at this point

Apparently the game putting a million enemies in a single room and plenty of players understandably finding it annoying and badly designed compared to other games is now a skill issue

[young creek]

Remember when they did that one trailer

where a huge ass dinosaur showed up

and everyone was like

"holy shiiit dinosaur"

[unreal idol]

Aw, my name isn't on the Thanks to page

[young creek]

and then we were like "hoooolyyy shiiit mario"

[gaunt marten]

I love ass dinosaurs

[river veldt]

[unreal idol]

Oh well. It had a lot of people helping out, and all I did was a full play run

I didn't do any coding or much reporting, since most of what I saw seemed good

[river veldt]

omg yes

[young creek]

well what if today

We see a big ass uh

dragon

hooooolyyy shit a dragon

and then the dragon has marios mustache

thoughts?

[river veldt]

yeah

i like it

[sour hill]

Yeah, I love ds2 but when people talk about it online it feels like they played a different game (even when I know they're talking about scholar)

[fresh bane]

I remember saying DS2 was best game was a meme back in the day, now people are saying it for real

[river veldt]

artiks Mario Odyssey already had a dragon

[young creek]

yeah but mario wasnt the dragon

[river veldt]

true

[sour hill]

Dark souls 2: Most of the bosses suck, the whole game is player hostile, a lot of encounters are poorly designed, so many straight up not fun boss runs, game's still incredible

[gaunt marten]

Also the dragon was not ass enough

[young creek]

In this game he doesnt possess enemies

he transforms into animals

[river veldt]

oh?

like Shantae?

[young creek]

and the animation for it is like the animorphs covers

[gaunt marten]

I like Dark Souls 2 because of the bosses

[fresh bane]

''B-B-BUT THE DLCS ARE SO GOOD!!!1111''

''s-shut up! skill issue skill issue!!111''

[gaunt marten]

Then again I don't do boss runs. I kill the enemies on the way to the boss every time

[sour hill]

ds2 always had superfans

[fresh bane]

Yeah and they were always annoying

[river veldt]

i dont like the animorphs covers they freak me out

[sour hill]

Not liking ds2 is a skill issue, ngl

You just don't have enough insight points yet

[fresh bane]

I also find it funny how so many people act as if DS2's plot and lore is so much more profound because you don't actually make a choice and because Aldia exists

The cast of characters from DS1 is so much more iconic and memorable than DS2's

[young creek]

I wonder if they will show their holiday 2023 game

[river veldt]

theres the praise the sun guy

[sour hill]

But Gavlan wheel, and Gavlan deal

[fresh bane]

Probably the only somewhat charming and memorable character from DS2

[river veldt]

iirc the tweet says it’s only going to focus on games coming out in the first half of the year but we might get a reveal idk

[fresh bane]

Shanalotte is so overrated though

Lucatiel >>>>>>> Shanalotte

[sour hill]

Lucatiel is like everyone's favorite, I thought

[river veldt]

Oh!

[fresh bane]

Yeah because she fucking rules

[gaunt marten]

I don't like Lucatiel much

[river veldt]

i skim read Artiks sorry

[river veldt]

:(

[sour hill]

Also ds2 has The Rotten

[grim stirrup]

dark souls 2 is great, all apart from horse fuck valley

[sour hill]

HFV does suck, but you have to admit it's memorable!

[river veldt]

does Dark Souls 2 have mushroom men

[sour hill]

You're thinking of dark souls 1

[fresh bane]

The Rotten is just discount ebay version of Nito

[river veldt]

0/10 worst game

[fresh bane]

I wish I could enjoy DS2 but everytime I booted up that game it was just pain and suffering

[sour hill]

Yeah that makes him more relatable

[fresh bane]

The only way I could enjoy that game was playing through with a friend

we didn't even get to half the game but it was a lot more fun and I feel like it makes the game so much better

Fights that would otherwise be unfair and straight up just annoying now are kinda fun

[sour hill]

Every time I boot up ds2 it's so unintentionally amusing. I love it so much

[grim stirrup]

every time i boot up ds2 i get fucked up || i currently have the ascended mod installed for some reason and its painful||

[fresh bane]

I also don't enjoy DS3's direction that much so I'm stuck with only DS1 which is fine by me because I love DS1 but it does suck that there's no other DS content that appeals to me

[sour hill]

I don't know what that is

[sour hill]

Have you played Demons Souls?

[fresh bane]

I haven't no, especially since it's a PS exclusive

[river veldt]

have you played Cuphead

[sour hill]

Try a ps3 emulator?

[sour hill]

Yeah, but I don't own it

[grim stirrup]

its a mod that exists for all the souls games+elden ring designed to be brutally unfair

[sour hill]

I see. I'm in the home stretch of an all boss sl1 playthrough, so I'm probably feeling a similar pain

[fresh bane]

I'm not super interested in Demon's either, I don't think I could even get it running anyways

[river veldt]

relevant https://youtu.be/_v1v0t8Q5xg

[gaunt marten]

I wanna play Demon's Souls mostly for the boss tendency feature

Er, world tendency

[sour hill]

I haven't beaten it yet, but it's a fun game. The remaster is good too

[fresh bane]

it's visually impressive but I always got the feeling they kinda ruined the mood of the original

[sour hill]

I don't feel that way at all

[fresh bane]

also the sfx for the magic sounds more like sci fi laser guns than fantasy magic spells

[sour hill]

Please tell me you didn't do this for blue smelter demon

[gaunt marten]

I did. You just have to do it once

Just don't die!

[sour hill]

That's certifiably insane. Respect

[gaunt marten]

Usually I do get summons to help me clear the co-op areas, and for the blue smelter demon part I do rush the falling portcullis doors to make killing everything easier

[slim thorn]

it feels like an old game, but the unfair parts are intentional creative decisions, instead of being tech limitations or make-the-arcade-kids-waste-more-quarters intentional

[slim thorn]

I can't stop being baffled at the whole zeitgeist around the Soulsbornes because people keep saying things like this about their least favorite Soulsborne, but this was my (post-Asylum) DS1 experience

[astral field]

DS2 has high points and low points. The high points to me are a fascinating world, rewards for platforming and exploring, and an excellently balanced combat system. The low points, I think, are some extremely unfair areas and encounters that are just gotcha moments you can't prepare for, extremely weird multi-player decisions (soul memory is dumb), and some pretty rough difficulty spikes for the DLC areas. Generally a pretty fun game, though!

[heady bridge]

Dark Souls was only good on PC thanks to Durante's mods. He pretty much is tied up with his own porting company PH3 nowadays doing (mainly) ports of Nihon Falcom titles to PC (and sometimes Switch) for Ys and Trails....

[astral field]

I played DS1 and dsfix was necessary, as was pvpwatchdog. I suffered through the absolutely godawful keyboard and mouse controls, too. Fun game, but holy hell was the PC port bad.

[slim thorn]

I think my failed DS1 attempt was on console? it's been too long to be certain

[rancid herald]

When is the direct (in relative hours)

[river veldt]

3 and a half hours

[rancid herald]

Loggers

For fucks sale iPhone I’m trying to sound cool

[river veldt]

sale

[rancid herald]

Godsamnit

[river veldt]

sam

[slim thorn]

welp, "loggers" is a thing now

[rancid herald]

Anyway I might actually get to see it

[sour hill]

Darks Souls 2 is uniquely player hostile to me. Shit happens in that game that just makes me laugh.

It's like the creators went "Okay, people liked dark souls because it's hard? Let's give 'em hard then, see how they really like it"

[slim thorn]

go on

(I've never watched a proper LP of any of them)

[minor plover]

the teeth of woodsmen are Loggers' Chompers.

[sour hill]

The most infamous thing in ds2 is that there's a stat that affects the number of invincibility frames during your roll and increase the speed you drink estus, called agility. To improve your agility, you have to level up your Adaptability, or the stat that gives you more spell slots.

None of this is explained in words unless you hit the help button in the stat screen and then hover over the agility stat icon

Also you start with only 1 estus charge, so at first you have to make use of consumable healing items. So if you suck and run out shit gets kinda rough early on.

Also every time you die, you lose a little bit of your max health until you're at 50%

But the funny stuff is really the level design. Lots of mean traps that won't outright kill you, but will give you a lot of grief, to sum it up

[mossy flume]

I have provided you with appropriate reactions.

[fresh bane]

Yeah that was directly taken from Demon's Souls

In fact, DS2 in its entirety resembles Demon's a lot

As does DS3, DS1 is the only outlier there

But I've grown tired of discussing it because every single time you get people that go ''oh well this wasn't a problem for me'' or ''lol just level up X stat it's not that hard'' or ''damn this game is so easy dude, skill issue'' etcetera etcetera

I really wish I could enjoy and like DS2 as much as those who love DS2 do but I personally see absolutely no high points in that game it goes beyond just a personal dislike of it because I never got the same experience with DS1, with DS2 I just feel like the game is simply not fun or appealing and it's pulling every trick to just make the experience unenjoyable for me

[bleak lintel]

2 didn't have Hidetaka Miyazaki and it shows, it is why it is the odd game out of the entire series.

[astral field]

DS2 has my favorite covenant, the Rat King Covenant. It lets you set up a trap filled gauntlet in an area and make things difficult for players trying to get to that area's boss.

[fresh bane]

I remember one of the last times I had touched DS2 I was in Aldia's Keep I believe and I was going through those walls where there's a giant orc behind it and they slam down the walls entirely and there's literally nothing you can do about it, like at all and there's literally no signs that it will ever happen unless you know beforehand, which I did know, and I still couldn't stop it

and that happens twice in a row

and I remember being so incredibly frustrated that I didn't even react I just straight up closed the game

[sour hill]

Hell yeah that was sick

[fresh bane]

and that was like my 3rd playthrough

[astral field]

Yeah, that is the bullshit stuff you can't predict or work around without knowing it is there that I don't like about DS2.

It happens a lot

[sour hill]

I love it honestly

Like that's such a ds2 move

[fresh bane]

And don't get me wrong there's stuff like that in other Souls games but the point is that it doesn't happen as much or it's placed in other places where it's not much of an annoyance and it can be sort of fun

But when the entire game is like that it sucks

[sour hill]

Like having an npc invader that disguises as a pot and then taunts you after he kills you

[astral field]

Most of the time in other games, the bullshit isn't without warning and a careful or skilled player could actually avoid them just by playing normally. Not so with DS2's examples of it. They expect you to die to the bullshit and approach it differently next time.

[fresh bane]

Fun times in here

real fun times

[sour hill]

It's a bit different, in demons souls you lost half your health after one death, so they had to design the levels to be reasonably beatable at that health. In ds2 it felt like they play tested the levels at like 75-100%

[grim stirrup]

those posion statues are bastards if you run by and get cought out, but ds2 is designed around not doing that

[random steppe]

Yeah, it's a Poison Swamp™

[sour hill]

Fuck black gultch all my homies hate black gultch

[fresh bane]

''The player has just gotten through a pretty tough zone huh? Maybe we should just place a couple relatively easy enemies to get through in the way to the boss fog gate''
Nah fuck that, just place a bunch of vases around that shoot poison at you and they're literally in every single conceivable spot so it's unsafe to travel through and they're placed riiiiight next to the boss gate so even if you manage to dodge you WILL get hit as soon as you enter

So you now enter the fight with less health and poison applied to you

[sour hill]

The gutter is awesome though. Maybe my favorite non dlc level

[gaunt marten]

The poison statue level is very frustrating. I take is super slow by breaking every single statue before it can spit

[fresh bane]

What a masterpiece of a game

[astral field]

You know, that is a good observation. DS2 is a lot like Demon's Souls in theme and level design.

[fresh bane]

Such good design

[slim thorn]

the other day I watched a video about an old Fromsoft game no one talks about anymore (Eternal Ring), so when the guy said "and here's a poison butterfly because Fromsoft" that was new information to me but also still pretty funny

[sour hill]

This but unironically

[random steppe]

I mean, once you notice it's the statues you can see them in advance and you can break them, it's still not an easy zone for sure

The boss is good at least

[sour hill]

The Rotten my beloved. Kind of a mid boss, but he's got charm!

[astral field]

Honestly, the poison swamp was probably the most Miyazaki thing they could have added to DS2.

He loves those.

[random steppe]

You can even cut off his arm, it's pretty unique for souls games

Usually it's only the dragons in DS1 you get to cut pieces of

[fresh bane]

https://youtu.be/t_YcEvpAafE

[astral field]

I nominate Jabba the Hutt as the best DS2 boss.

[fresh bane]

In another timeline perhaps we may have gotten DS2 as it was fully originally envisioned

[astral field]

Just because plagiarism.

[fresh bane]

I would've loved to play that game

[sour hill]

That's fair

[astral field]

Also, Fume Knight was not fun.

Health bar too big.

[sour hill]

Wtf

That's a hot take

[random steppe]

Fume Knight was a bit much, but Alonne was kind of fucking awesome

[fresh bane]

I never got past Fume Knight and I never liked the fight but if I say that every sweaty DS2 hardcore fan will literally teleport to my house and backstab me so I can't say that

[sour hill]

I thought Alonne had even more health

[gaunt marten]

Alonne is easier and more fun to dodge though

[random steppe]

Fume was more the massive aoes that were annoying to me

[astral field]

I like his vibe, I like his moveset, I like the lore, but his health bar is too big. The fight drags on for so long and his damage is high enough that one or two mistakes is death.

[fresh bane]

Fume Knight would've been fine if it didn't have the shitty random health regeneration totems around him

The fight is already pretty challenging by itself

[gaunt marten]

You can break those

[fresh bane]

But DS2 can't stop itself they just have to add more shit in there

[sour hill]

Lol I was technically right, he has a smidgen of extra health

[random steppe]

The Hp was okay, all of the DLC in DS2 is a bit overtuned but I did it with big sword unga bunga so eh, kinda didn't feel like too much health

[fresh bane]

You can break them but that doesn't mean they should've been placed there in the beginning

[sour hill]

It encourages you to explore the level to get the keys to turn them off

[fresh bane]

That is if you didn't use them before getting there or if you can even go back to get them

[random steppe]

I kinda liked that bit, like with the knights in the 3rd DLC

[fresh bane]

Because you can totally use those before you get to the fume knight arena

[random steppe]

Allows you to fight a stronger version or explore for a more fair fight

[slim thorn]

[astral field]

I like it in concept, but the area was so murderously aggressive and high damage that it was very painful to find them all.

[fresh bane]

I also find that encouraging exploring just for the sake of finding key items to turn those totems off is super redundant

[sour hill]

Huh? You can't run out, there's enough in the level I think

[fresh bane]

Like just take them off and make me explore for something that is actually worth it

[gaunt marten]

Considering fume knight is an optional difficult fight I feel like it's fine

[gaunt marten]

There's enough for all but one

[fresh bane]

There is not enough of them on the level

I know because it happened to me and I was missing one

[astral field]

I believe there is if you skip using one while exploring.

[gaunt marten]

You have to choose between using all the keys on the level or the boss.

[fresh bane]

Yeah if you don't use one that you already had, which you would've never known if you'd needed afterwards or not

[astral field]

So either make the level easier and the boss harder or the level harder and the boss easier.

[fresh bane]

The whole system of those things feels extremely poorly thought out for me

[astral field]

Yeah, it isn't a fairly presented decision.

[fresh bane]

That entire DLC is already challenging by itself, the enemies are tough and there's already a lot of them around, let's just throw in more bullshit to make them even stronger

Why even put that there in the first place anyways is what's going through my mind as I'm going through that area

[slim thorn]

[random steppe]

They definitely did some experimentation with the DLCs

Like the switches to activate with arrows in the 1st one

[sour hill]

I looked it up and there are exactly enough smelter wedges to use on all the ashen idols (11.) You need to do all of them and then kill fume knight to get the soul of nadalia

[fresh bane]

Exactly enough but the game never even hints that you should hold onto them so if you use them for anything else then you're fucked

which is what happened to me

[astral field]

There must be an easy to miss one, then.

[sour hill]

Huh? You can only use them on ashen idols

[gaunt marten]

Some ashen idols are just sitting there. No sense wasting a wedge on them

[random steppe]

This is making me feel like playing DS2, which I know by experience it'd be a bad idea.
Good game but I am afraid after tasting 3 and Elden Ring, it might really be a bit too rough around the edges

[fresh bane]

Yes?

[sour hill]

Well if you want the soul you have to do all of them anyway

[fresh bane]

And there are ashen idols in other places before the fume knight fight

places where you might totally want to use them especially in your first run

[sour hill]

Okay, I thought you were saying that it was impossible to get rid of all the ashen idols

[fresh bane]

Elden Ring feels like such a Greatest Hits compilation of nearly all of Fromsofts catalogue that I feel like the only reason to go back to any other Souls game is because you personally like it or like that specific world a bit more

I know I love Lordran and DS1's world a hell of a lot more than the others

But The Lands Between is fantastic

[random steppe]

Also mods

[fresh bane]

I guess but I Never really used mods for any souls game

only for the online in DS1

[sour hill]

I did ds1 boss and enemy randomizer. That was pretty fun

[random steppe]

I am kinda waiting for this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj1wZE-i6GQ

[fresh bane]

And yeah, I kinda felt like playing DS2 for a second, it's definitely because despite me never finishing the game I actually played through it a bunch and there's a lot of content I still haven't experienced myself in DS2 so that definitely calls my attention and draws me in a bit because hey it's more DS content, but I just know that I will NOT have fun

Because it happened so many times before so I just don't even feel like doing it anymore

[slim thorn]

Youtube alone has ingrained a few parts of it into my brain even though I'm never going to play it

particularly that one elevator

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2XdLDxV7WyY/maxresdefault.jpg

[fresh bane]

Yeah I got there when I was testing out the game

that entire area is magical

...but bullshit

[sour hill]

ER is a 10/10 game for me

[fresh bane]

I hate the enemies in that area and I'm disappointed Fromsoft keeps pulling shit like that

[random steppe]

Yeah the one thing souls didn't have many of, was vast open areas, and it's clear the devs had ideas as to what to do with them once they could

[fresh bane]

It's an area that doesn't really allow you to get through it in your own way but more so the area itself will keep punishing you until you play the way IT wants you to

[random steppe]

The 1st idea, was making about a 3rd of them into poison swamps

The rest look really cool tho

[slim thorn]

I wonder if anyone has gotten through the whole series without having this experience somewhere

[sour hill]

Not having fun at some point?

[fresh bane]

Remember that one promotional shot of Elden Ring they kept putting everywhere? For once, that's actually in the game!
I remember reaching Liurnia of the Lakes and seeing the Lucaria Academy from afar and thinking ''woah''

this really is the BOTW of the Souls games /s

[sour hill]

This really is Skyrim with guns

[fresh bane]

But unironically just like BOTW on a first playthrough the game just keeps making you go ''Woah... '' at everything

[random steppe]

Except they removed weapon durability instead of adding it

[fresh bane]

Fucking thank the lord in heaven

Hear that BOTW?

[sour hill]

They might as well have removed it in ds3

[fresh bane]

My sword doesn't break in 10 hits

[random steppe]

I actually took 20 or so hours to notice weapon durability was gone, and it proved how fucking pointless of a mechanic it is

[fresh bane]

It's so fucking pointless

[sour hill]

It was never a good idea lol

[fresh bane]

It's literally just an annoyance it doesn't make the experience any more deeper or anything

[random steppe]

The only times you notice it, it's because you are annoyed by its existence

[slim thorn]

wait, was there weapon durability in one of the Fromsoft games or is this just the standard BotW complaint?

[fresh bane]

I remember in DS2 I kept using this giant hammer when I was doing a STR run and I just kept a bunch of those little dust items that repair your weapon all the time because my hammer would break in like literally 50 hits or something

All DS games have weapon durability

Your items can break

[sour hill]

All of the dark souls games and Bloodborne

[slim thorn]

...huh

[fresh bane]

Every single item has a durability stat

[random steppe]

There was weapon durability in all souls games except Sekiro and ER

[fresh bane]

So your rings and armor can break as well

[random steppe]

In most situations it didin't really matter

In DS2 it was bad

[gaunt marten]

You don't lose them if they break. You just gotta fix them (with limited exceptions)

[slim thorn]

I... guess I didn't get far enough in DS1 for it to matter?

[fresh bane]

Maybe you never noticed it

[random steppe]

In DS1 it mattered in some weapons only

[gaunt marten]

If you sit at a bonfire you recover. It's an anti-cheese mechanic

[random steppe]

That reduced ruability a lot if you used certain special attacks

[fresh bane]

I don't know if they recover at bonfires because you can still repair them at bonfires with the tool box

I actually don't remember how it worked precisely

[random steppe]

In DS1 it didn't recover, you had to manually fix them

[sour hill]

The recovering at bonfires was a ds2 addition

[fresh bane]

I think in DS2 they recover at bonfires

[random steppe]

In DS2 it recovered unless it was broken

[slim thorn]

I definitely didn't get to anything like repairing or upgrading weapons, I never even found decent gear

[random steppe]

In which case you had to find a blacksmith

[fresh bane]

You can repair at blacksmiths or with your own tool box

in DS1

[random steppe]

In DS3 I don't actually remember

[gaunt marten]

If you start as the knight class you start with decent gear

[sour hill]

The thing about the souls games is pretty much everything is decent gear

[fresh bane]

So it was never really something that got in the way but if you ever were upgrading or leveling up and you had some spare souls you would usually want to go into that repair tool box and just repair all your current gear

[slim thorn]

oh no you're not baiting me into this argument

[fresh bane]

If you didn't repair for a long time it would build up but it honestly was never really a huuuuge issue

[sour hill]

But I wanna argue with you 🥺

[gaunt marten]

It's not a big deal except in DS2 where it's plain annoying

[fresh bane]

I don't know what happened in DS2 because everything is so.... weird, values are so incredibly high for no reason

[random steppe]

It's interesting that they make it so in some weapons it's a FP meter

[fresh bane]

You get an incredible amount of souls but the requirement to level up is also insanely high

[random steppe]

Like the Drake Sword

[gaunt marten]

In DS2 durability was based on your framerates! Playing on higher FPS broke your weapons faster

[fresh bane]

The durability on stuff is incredibly low sometimes as well

[random steppe]

In DS2 it was a problem if you used rapier or daggers, or short sowrds, etc...stuff that made sense that had low durability.

[sour hill]

Yes, they fixed it, in case anyone was wondering

[random steppe]

The fact that it made sense didn't make it more fun

[river veldt]

do we need to make a Soulslike containment thread /j

[sour hill]

You could

[gaunt marten]

It's not a containment thread

[fresh bane]

but do they really have low durability?

I feel like a regular broadsword would require more maintenance than a dagger...

[random steppe]

Souls games are hugely influential and people are gonna end up discussing them even if you put them in a thread

[fresh bane]

It's funny because it's the same argument where the Souls games say that a claymore or a two handed sword is this super heavy thing when in reality they weigh like, what, 2-4 kg?

Two handed swords are surprisingly light

[random steppe]

I mean in the sense that's smaller and if you keep jabbing it against things it's probably break sooner

[slim thorn]

first we would need a thread to define what exactly is a Soulslike and why Hollow Knight totally isn't one so the non-masochists like me can still talk about it up here

[river veldt]

i meant like the From Software games i wasnt even thinking about others

[fresh bane]

Hmmmm I guess it would depend on the type of blade but usually even a rapier is quite a sturdy blade

But I don't wanna start nerding out over real life weapons

🤓

[slim thorn]

yeah Fromsoft game vs Soulslike is a huge difference at this point

[gaunt marten]

Why not?

[fresh bane]

what would the pony equivalent of that emoji be? Moondancer?

[river veldt]

[slim thorn]

and not just because some of my all time favorites are the latter while some of my all time worst experiences were the former

[random steppe]

Isn't that pretty accurate?
A Claymore is definitely less than 10 pounds in game

[gaunt marten]

Technically guy

[fresh bane]

A claymore in dark souls can easily put you in like mid roll territory if you already have a set of armor on

[random steppe]

Lemme check, wiki says 6 pounds

[fresh bane]

In reality that wouldn't really happen

[river veldt]

i dont have a Mud Briar emoji

[sour hill]

Okay now I'm curious what you've played

[gaunt marten]

In reality you'd be lucky to midroll naked

[random steppe]

The claymore alone wont do that, you need some armor on you

[river veldt]

i dont think ive liked any Soulslikes

[gaunt marten]

I can't do anything but heavy rolls

[river veldt]

DS1 and Hollow Knight I think are the only ones ive tried?

[fresh bane]

It should probably be mentioned that the values in DS aren't super accurate to reality anyways the weight isn't classified by pounds or kg

[random steppe]

In reality you'd be dumb to roll everywhere to try to avoid attacks, who does that?

[fresh bane]

it's just this arbitrary number that doesn't mean much

[gaunt marten]

How else do you get your invulnerability frames?

[fresh bane]

In real life a zweihander weights around like 2-4 kg but in Dark Souls games it's usually hovering at 10, not pounds or kg just... just 10

10 something

[river veldt]

10 tons

[sour hill]

Spend your chi

[river veldt]

10 bloobleblops

[random steppe]

I think it's pretty accurate if you translate it to pounds

[fresh bane]

also yeah rolling is super dumb

[gaunt marten]

I don't have any chi

[fresh bane]

Well then we'd have to assume that the value is pounds

[gaunt marten]

I have knees

[fresh bane]

and somehow I don't believe it is

[sour hill]

That's awesome

[fresh bane]

I think Bloodborne didn't have rolls but instead dodging? Which seems like the best option

and I kinda wish Dark Souls had that....

[river veldt]

kratta do you not have knees

[gaunt marten]

Knees are the bee's knees

[sour hill]

I have knees, that's how I know how awesome having knees is

[river veldt]

🧎‍♂️

[sour hill]

It was both. You dodged if you were locked on to an enemy

[random steppe]

Bloodborne rolled if you weren't targeting and dodged if you were I seem to remember

[fresh bane]

also Elden Ring is technically the first game of this kind to have a type of early firegun with the jar cannon?

[sour hill]

I agree it looks cooler

[fresh bane]

I don't recall any type of firegun like that in any of the other DS games

[river veldt]

who made Dark Souls

[fresh bane]

me

[river veldt]

no yoy didnt

[sour hill]

Bloodborne has a flamethrower

[gaunt marten]

Nire did

[random steppe]

Well except bloodborne

[fresh bane]

I was Miyazaki all along

DS4 is real and it will have ponies in it

[sour hill]

Sick

[slim thorn]

for my bad experiences: <#1032716748887179434 message>
for my good ones:

Ixrec — 01/03/2023 1:45 AM
for me J:FO is the only game that superficially resembles 3D Soulslike gameplay (as opposed to every other meaning of "Soulslike") but actually delivered on the hard-but-fair challenge everyone keeps claiming that genre provides
Ixrec — 01/18/2023 8:36 PM
Hollow Knight is probably still my favorite "Soulslike Metroidvania", but Blasphemous and Ender Lilies are extremely close seconds

[river veldt]

I thought Dark Souls 3 was the last one

[fresh bane]

People are never gonna stop asking for DS4

[river veldt]

why

[gaunt marten]

It's good

[fresh bane]

Because people can't stop wanting things

[sour hill]

No, people are never gonna stop asking for dark souls II 2

[random steppe]

Yeah I forgive you for the souls slander because you like HK

[gaunt marten]

Imagine if they only made three Mario Bros games

[river veldt]

i dont want a Dark Souls 4

[sour hill]

What's J:FO?

[river veldt]

ok

now what

[fresh bane]

The thing is that even without Dark Souls they're still making other Dark Souls type games

Bloodborne, Sekiro, Elden Ring...

[gaunt marten]

Now wait thirty years

[slim thorn]

Jedi: Fallen Order

[fresh bane]

Well they didn't make that one

[river veldt]

ok

done

now what

[gaunt marten]

We're not done

I'll come back in thirty years and tell you

[river veldt]

we’re done when i say we’re done

!remindme 30 years

[haughty umbra]

You must start your message with 'in' or 'on', followed by a date (in quotes!) or duration, followed by a message.```

[random steppe]

I love Lordran but i am kinda happier when they make new worlds rather than iterate on previous ones.

[river veldt]

what is Lordran

[slim thorn]

the setting of DS1

[fresh bane]

Lordran is Dark Soul's Equestria

and Anor Londo is...

Canterlot?

[sour hill]

Okay, whatever you do don't play Nioh

[random steppe]

Pretty accurate

IDK maybe they'd like Nioh

[river veldt]

Mario is in Dark Souls now

[random steppe]

I didn't like it much, but it was all the menuing

The combo were cool

[gaunt marten]

I love menus

[sour hill]

I like Nioh but I think it's more brutal to new players than dark souls

[gaunt marten]

I play games that are only menus

[river veldt]

like Witcher 3

[random steppe]

I hate when you get wagons of loot and you have to spend minutes sorting it out instead of playing the game

[gaunt marten]

No that one also had sex scenes

[slim thorn]

I was going to say "like JRPGs", Witcher 3 is relatively low on the menuing

at least the way I played it

[river veldt]

i know i just dont like witcher 3

[slim thorn]

that's fine, Witcher 2 was better /hides

[fresh bane]

The Witcher 3 is that one game where I just keep hearing about it and I feel like I should play it but I'm never really sure

Especially since I'm not familiar with the lore

[visual hill]

I played a bit of W3 following the next-gen update (never played any Witcher game before)

[slim thorn]

don't worry about the lore

[sour hill]

I played it not knowing anything and it was fine

[river veldt]

the only good thing i can say about Witcher 3 is that Geralt was hot

[visual hill]

it looks great, gameplay is ok but I have a hard time caring about game stories

[river veldt]

everything else was bleh

[visual hill]

I find myself skipping a lot of conversation cutscenes at least

[sour hill]

I thought it was fun

[random steppe]

How can you like Witcher 2? I mean I like Witcher 1 but holy shit the gameplay in Witcher 2 was borderline unplayable for me

[slim thorn]

while there is continuity between all of the Witcher games/novels/show/etc, it honestly doesn't matter where you enter the franchise because all of them intentionally put you into a world where everyone already has an agenda and a history and doesn't care to explain it all to you, so you'll be about equally unsure what's going on whether you start at 1, 2, or 3

and Witcher 2 is easily the best of the three at story, which is the only reason I ever care about an RPG anyway

[random steppe]

I do love the story in Witcher 2, to be clear

Also I like when game companies do bold things

[gaunt marten]

I only play RPGs for the mechanics

[river veldt]

i just dont think Witcher 3 was the second coming of christ or however people were describing it

[fresh bane]

Doesn't Witcher 2 directly follow up on Witcher 1?
I realize that's... a stupid thing to say but I mean in the sense that it probably assumes you played W1 before right?

[random steppe]

Like, completely diverging patchs that means you are not going to see 1/4 of the game

Unless you replay it

That was cool

[slim thorn]

it's set after W1, but not to the point where you'd be seriously disadvantaged by not playing W1

[random steppe]

I wish they remembered to also make a good game together to the awesome interactive book they had with it

[slim thorn]

they basically just tell you that Geralt's working for Foltest because he saved Foltest's life at the end of W1 and that's all you ever need to know

[slim thorn]

yep, the whole reason I talked my mom into "playing"/making the narrative choices is that IMO even with all the jank it's still one of the best examples of meaningful choices in a video game, and we were both invested in that franchise already so it was too perfect not to try

[fresh bane]

The combat system is like completely different in all the witcher games right?

I only played a bit of Witcher 1...

[gaunt marten]

Yeah

[slim thorn]

yes

not that I ever learned any of them well enough to compare properly, but I think so yes

[random steppe]

Witcher 3 best part was its story, but unlike Witcher 2, playing it was actually kinda fun.
So I kind of agree with Ix that the story in 2 was better (at least better paced, IDK if it'd surpass the whole Ciri arc) I had overall a much better time with Witcher 3

[slim thorn]

yep, 2 is laser-focused on its story unless you try to do way too many sidequests

[sour hill]

My friend has always insisted that Gwent is the main story in Witcher 3, and that the rest is just side content

[river veldt]

idk maybe i just have an inability to get into games that aren’t Mario/Zelda/gay

[slim thorn]

3 is an "open world" in all the usual ways I dislike, including kinda forgetting it even has a story if you ever get sidetracked

[gaunt marten]

Gwent is fun but it's no Triple Triad

[sour hill]

I think I kind of hate gwent

[fresh bane]

Hmmmm I wonder if I'd enjoy Witcher 2 or 3 more...

[random steppe]

I think that the open world mechanics were the worst part, completely cookie cutter OW game like.
That said, the quest were very well written, and the map really cool, so it wasn't too bad

[fresh bane]

I do like story and characters.... but at the same time it's nice to have a game where you just... play

you know?

[slim thorn]

I do, but for me that's a "well don't play an RPG then " line of reasoning

[random steppe]

After the next Witcher game they are remaking 1, so there is that option if you wanna wait and start from 1, in like, 10 years

[slim thorn]

for me W2 and W3 and the FFs and Planescape so on are all about equal as far as "the gameplay is an obstacle between me and the story" goes

[fresh bane]

They are remaking Witcher 1....

how's the story in Witcher 1?

[random steppe]

Excellent

[river veldt]

yoy are a man with swords

[random steppe]

It's just lodged in this very awkward game

[slim thorn]

(Fire Emblem is the exception here because I genuinely enjoy the tactical stuff, even if I still wish it had less RPGing)

[random steppe]

And it starts kind of bad

[slim thorn]

I tried watching a let's play of W1 and basically fell asleep

[fresh bane]

I do like me some nice classical eurojank

[slim thorn]

on paper it's a good story but compared to W2-3 it's not even worth trying any more

[sour hill]

That sounds about right

[random steppe]

There is also a huge video essay that is a viable alternative to playing Witcher 1

[slim thorn]

yeah, W1 is best experienced via video essay these days

[river veldt]

i wish we would get a good Lovecraft video game

oh i guess Bloodborne

[sour hill]

I tried playing Witcher 1, and in like 15 minutes my soul rejected it

[river veldt]

Call of Cthulhu and Sinking City were big letdowns for me

[slim thorn]

(oh and Mass Effect is the exception that proved the rule by deleting the RPGing in its second installment lol)

[river veldt]

the only RPGs ive enjoyed are the Mario & Luigi titles

[random steppe]

This, it does some small references to the other games but it's a Witcher 1 huge recap, with also a ton of details as how the game works, the quirks, an analysis of what works and what doesn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtrAx-rVgco&t=1s

It is 4 hours but it's really interesting and it's much shorter than Witcher 1

[slim thorn]

I think I enjoyed one of the Paper Marios but I remember none of it

[river veldt]

and i guess FFVII but thats mostly for the story and characters

[gaunt marten]

Ever play Fallen London?

[slim thorn]

yep, FF7 and 9 were 100% attack-attack-cure-ok this story's pretty good-attack-attack-curaga for me

[river veldt]

Cloud and Barret and Aerith and Tifa my beloveds

[river veldt]

no

[gaunt marten]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/304650/SUNLESS_SEA/

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[slim thorn]

I'm still impressed that the Aerith thing had such an impact on me despite the spoiler being omnipresent long before I played it

[gaunt marten]

Also a "Lovecraft videogame" is Darkest Dungeon!

[sour hill]

If I'm gonna play a turn based rpg it's gotta have something special about it that's not gameplay related. Like Earthbound or Persona 5 or something. Turn based combat just isn't all that fun to me

[river veldt]

i tried P5 and got bored

[random steppe]

Lovecraft video games tend to be rather brutal now that i think about it

[slim thorn]

I'm not necessarily opposed to turn-based combat, but there has to be interesting decision making during the combat instead of everything being predetermined by the gear treadmill

[gaunt marten]

That's Lovecraft for you

[sour hill]

I mean that's fair

[slim thorn]

so, again, like Fire Emblem

[gaunt marten]

Terror that makes you lose your sanity and then you die

[slim thorn]

(maybe XCOM? I've never played that)

[wise frigate]

good game

[fresh bane]

I wonder what the general opinion on SMTV was, although I never really heard much about that game as I did from P5

[gaunt marten]

XCOM is a tactical turn based strategy game like Fire Emblem.

[slim thorn]

I've seen enough Persona to know I wouldn't get much out of playing it myself

[fresh bane]

well I know or at least assume that Persona as a franchise streamlined a lot so it's far more appealing

and I always kind of saw SMT as that hardcore franchise for hardcore JRPG fans

[sour hill]

Fire Emblem was not unfun to me, but I also felt done after just a few hours

[river veldt]

i might try out Engage

@untold vigil is Fire Emblem Engage good

[slim thorn]

to be clear Fire Emblem sort of half-succeeds for me

when I originally tried Blazing Blade as a teenager I got through just under 20 chapters before giving up and also feeling like I'd had more than my fill of it

[gaunt marten]

I like XCOM more than Fire Emblem because of the added strategic layer

[slim thorn]

but with Tale around to smooth out the rougher edges of RPGness that don't click for me, Sacred Stones (completed) and Path of Radiance (nearly done) have been pretty consistently fun

[river veldt]

i played Mario+Rabbids that’s good enough for me

plus it had mario

[bleak lintel]

Engage is pretty fun.

[river veldt]

epic

[bleak lintel]

It doesn't have the social aspect of Three Houses.

[river veldt]

is there any way to change how the main character looks

[gaunt marten]

Mario + Rabbids is great but lacks the strategic layer

[river veldt]

yeah but it has Mario

[bleak lintel]

The joycon look works with the colors of the game.

[river veldt]

oke

ill take your word for it

[slim thorn]

I still suspect if I tried playing an FE entirely on my own I'd once again get overwhelmed and not finish it

[river veldt]

if nothing gets shadowdropped or announced during today’s Direct I may think about getting Engage idk

[slim thorn]

my point in bringing it up here is just that it's the only turn-based series that's come close to working for me, rather than being one of those games where the gameplay is an obstacle between me and the story

[bleak lintel]

The whole gimmick is you pair people with characters from the other games.

[river veldt]

im trying to watch my spending habits im a bit impulsive

[wind stump]

Feels bad

[sour hill]

Same

[visual hill]

eco

[mossy flume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMdUSVSEp7U

In 1 hour

[sour hill]

I want a new wario game

[river veldt]

I WANT DONKEY KONG

GIVE ME THE APE

[sour hill]

The kong is good too

[thorny loom]

Will definitely see zelda other than that anything goes

[river veldt]

[mossy flume]

We're going to see Pikmin 4, Tears of the Kingdom and Advance Wars 1+2, but other than that I dunno

[rancid herald]

If tears really is the last major release I expect nothing but disappointment

[visual hill]

an ape that isn't bored for once!!

[river veldt]

[thorny loom]

What they should do is port wind waker hd to switch

[mossy flume]

They should've done that and Twilight Princess HD

But they didn't, much to my annoyance.

[thorny loom]

Twilight princess could be a good filler title next console

[visual hill]

they'll announce an ExciteBike x Wave Race x Star Fox collaboration

[thorny loom]

Also slightly annoyed the 3ds ports of 3d zelda arnt ported

[mossy flume]

Right?

[arctic fern]

they should just bundle all the zeldas and marios together, port them to every console

and pokermans

[thorny loom]

They use to do that for mario

[river veldt]

i would genuinely buy that

[thorny loom]

Pokemon is the most egregious

Scalpers have made getting anything up to sun and moon stupid expensive

And then nintendo wonders why people pirate

[gaunt marten]

It's not too hard to pirate and emulate every game prior to the PS1, but it's much harder to port and sell them officially

[thorny loom]

Yeah

[gaunt marten]

(you can store them all in less than one terabyte too!)

[thorny loom]

Yep

Not that i would know

Though lets be real. Any console gen above that people are just choosing what they want to play or replay

[visual hill]

N64 library advantage over PS1

(not only because of cartridge size, but also because it's a lot smaller)

[mossy flume]

I would!

[thorny loom]

PS1 lost its main advantage when the crash and spyro remakes came out

[gaunt marten]

The terabyte number is including the PS1 and every console before it

[mossy flume]

That's a 3.53TB collection.

[gaunt marten]

But it also includes lossless compression

[visual hill]

I am super impressed at how games like SM64 or Zelda OOT can fit in cartridges that small

[thorny loom]

Let me guess

[visual hill]

SM64 is like, smaller than doom.wad

[thorny loom]

Gamecube and wii are the thicc bois

[mossy flume]

Yeah

GC is 867GB

[gaunt marten]

GameCube and Wii games benefit a lot from Dolphin's lossless compression

[slim thorn]

OoT is one of the very few before-my-time games that I played on its original console instead of in an emulator

[mossy flume]

Wii is 2.1TB

[slim thorn]

had to blow on the cartridge and everything

[thorny loom]

Wii u there’s basically no point now that everything besides wind waker is ported to switch

[visual hill]

I'm also surprised at how small the GoldenEye XBLA package is compared to nearly any other Xbox 360 game out there, it's like 300 MB compressed

[mossy flume]

I have WiiU buried elsewhere due to its size

[river veldt]

i gave my WiiU to my little brother

[mossy flume]

Oh right, and only part of it

[thorny loom]

I hate to see when we get to effective switch emulation

[mossy flume]

Just the games I actually care about

[mossy flume]

it's already here today

[thorny loom]

Lol

[visual hill]

I'm using Ryujinx as we speak

[mossy flume]

Yuzu and Rakuten played the Pokemon games better than the native hardware on day 1

[thorny loom]

I’ll probably wait until nintendos new console before delving in regardless

[visual hill]

I have yet to try Yuzu (don't need it yet)

[mossy flume]

I'm not kidding

[thorny loom]

Thats funny

I believe it since you know pcs have the hardware ro support it

[mossy flume]

I played a lot more on the emulator than I did on the console because it was just so much better

[thorny loom]

I need to try out ps3 emulator more

[mossy flume]

And in 4K!

[thorny loom]

They reached the milestone that every game is playable to some extent rexentlt

[mossy flume]

Dread also works very well

[river veldt]

no but seriously what is wrong with those Pokemon games. ive been replaying BOTW recently and aside from a few frame hiccups it’s run flawlessly

[mossy flume]

Game Freak is an objectively terrible developer

That's the problem

[thorny loom]

Botw lets be fair had to be held back some what for wii u

[mossy flume]

Game Freak has always made famously buggy games, but their transition to 3D has been very unkind to them and they haven't really improved.

And they refuse help

[visual hill]

Game Freak has a 1990s budget and timeline to develop 2022 games, that doesn't help

[mossy flume]

That too

[river veldt]

it’s really weird considering they own the biggest media franchise on earth

[thorny loom]

#1032733661671460937 message

[mossy flume]

Game Freak really needs to be dropped but they're contractually bound to make the Pokemon games. Nobody else can.

Yeah

If you really dig deeply into the whole deal with Game Freak it's actually pretty sad

[river veldt]

holy cow only 35 minutes

im getting pre Direct jitters

[mossy flume]

Same

Maybe they'll be like "Metroid Prime 4 will be on the next console, please look forward to it"

Or "it's cancelled again"

One of those

[river veldt]

hopefukly its not cancelled again that would suck

[mossy flume]

I'd be violently furious

[river veldt]

i would love if they announced they were remaking the Oracle games in the style of the LA remake

[mossy flume]

Oh that'd be cool

[river veldt]

hopefully not for 60 bucks each but this is Nintendo so idk

[thorny loom]

Its nintendo you know they will

[heady bridge]

i wish they'd team up with a larger studio to help out like Intelligent Systems did in the move to home console development with Three Houses with Koei Tecmo, Bandai Namco would be a good choice as they have helped in the past for Pokken and New Pokemon Snap

[untold vigil]

It is but I wouldn't have it be your first FE

[river veldt]

oh ok

what would you recommend as the first

[untold vigil]

One of the older ones, or awakening

[river veldt]

is Awakening the one on 3ds

[heady bridge]

My first was Three Houses and I really enjoyed it, though I do know many FE fans are mixed on it

[gaunt marten]

Awakening is a great first pick

[slim thorn]

I'm looking forward to finally getting to Awakening and Three Houses for myself

[mossy flume]

Awakening is pretty fun

[sour hill]

Awakening was the one I played

[heady bridge]

I believe Awakening was the one that basically saved the franchise from death as it finally broke through into Western markets

[untold vigil]

That's

Not entirely true but it did breathe new life into it for sure

[gaunt marten]

True but you're wrong to say it

[untold vigil]

Three houses is not a bad starting place but I'm avoiding it for Cap in particular

Knowing a little about them

I try and taylor my reccs

Why did i use taylor the name there

[river veldt]

lol

[gaunt marten]

Awakening is only the best starting choice because Tharja is hot

[river veldt]

hold on

holy hell

[untold vigil]

I had a framed poster of Tharja behind me for the entire 5 hr management meeting I just sat through

[gaunt marten]

You should show it off

I wanna see

[river veldt]

thats quite the outfit

[slim thorn]

Tale has made me aware of Tharja despite being nowhere near the games she appears in lol

[river veldt]

probably because shes hot

[slim thorn]

#thatsthejoke

[river veldt]

Ixrec i have autism you cant #thatsthejoke me

[untold vigil]

It's this print

[gaunt marten]

Oh neat

[river veldt]

whoa!

[untold vigil]

Lesbians loved tharja so much they actually made her gay in Fates

She's the one lesbian romance

[river veldt]

epic

[visual hill]

taylor swift your reccs

[untold vigil]

Rekt

Odds are very strong I would have thought of Skitter over Swift

In fact that was my first thought

[graceful bridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMdUSVSEp7U

[teal sonnet]

lesgooo

[river veldt]

what am i supposed to do for 15 minutes

[mossy flume]

Be bnuuy

[gaunt marten]

Sleep

I already told the other you

[mossy flume]

I nuked my computer yesterday and have been spending hours setting everything back up again.

[young creek]

reminder that the youtube streams are always 15 sec or so behind twitch

[river veldt]

oke im watching on twitch now

4 minutes!

[mossy flume]

It is time

[hidden elbow]

https://youtu.be/oHvGPF_RM6U

OMG THIS IS SUCH A BANGER

[gaunt marten]

I know right

Pizza Tower has the absolute best music

[green fulcrum]

Starting! :D

[river veldt]

ITS STARTING WOOP

ill play Pizza Tower someday

[mossy flume]

[young creek]

Yah twitch way ahead of youtube

as always

just checked it myself

[green fulcrum]

Rabbids I think

[young creek]

Wow its Pikmin 4

[river veldt]

i forgor about Pikmin 4

[teal sonnet]

LESGOOO

[dire gate]

Hey

[graceful bridge]

Okay yeah about 15-20 seconds behind it seems

[gaunt marten]

Pikmin 4 plus Rabbids

[green fulcrum]

Oooooh, yeah Pikmin

[dire gate]

It's just straight up Earth

[river veldt]

holy shit a house

[dire gate]

[young creek]

Im actually a big pikmin 4 fan ive always said this

[arctic fern]

YAAAAAAS

[green fulcrum]

So wait, which one is ahead? Twitch or Youtube?

[visual hill]

Twitch

[river veldt]

twitch

[green fulcrum]

Alright, so I guessed right then. Good

[young creek]

I know this sound from Smashbros

wahoo wahoowahoo

[dire gate]

I'm watching JP version in YouTube

wow ice pikmin

[river veldt]

DO G

STRONG

[young creek]

wow can you believe this sound design

[compact skiff]

New Pikmin game yay

[arctic fern]

...no olimar?

[compact skiff]

Pikmin 4

[river veldt]

Olimar hasnt been the main player character since 2

[thorny loom]

Looks like they took the most wanted features of 2 and 3 and combined them

[arctic fern]

i know

[thorny loom]

Oh we can play at nighttime now

[graceful bridge]

Xenoblade expansion DLC

[green fulcrum]

Basically Rarity

[hidden elbow]

Cool

[river veldt]

bri ish

[green fulcrum]

SAMBA DE AMIGO???

WTF

Haven't seen this IP in YEARS

[gaunt marten]

Rarity talks in a transatlantic accent

[teal sonnet]

[dire gate]

Now that is unexpected

[young creek]

this is what im here for

[river veldt]

ive never heard of this

[green fulcrum]

It's an old Sega IP

[dire gate]

Wii even had a dedicated controller for this iirc

[young creek]

do you think they have jump up superstar

[river veldt]

maybe

[hidden elbow]

Samba de amigo ?! Now this is unexpected comeback

[visual hill]

Samba de Amigo is in Sonic and Sega All Stars Racing

[graceful bridge]

"Fashion Dreamer"

[visual hill]

this is like, the only game I know it from, like Billy Hatcher

[river veldt]

omg Rarity game

[green fulcrum]

And Transformed too

[teal sonnet]

this music reminds me of wii music

[young creek]

Is this the rumored 70 dollar game ive heard so much about

[river veldt]

yes

[graceful bridge]

This looks cute. Not really my thing, but cute.

[dire gate]

Metaverse : the game

[teal sonnet]

this is just a modern barbie game

[arctic fern]

animal crossing: influnencer edition?

[green fulcrum]

It feels too much like "How do you do, fellow kids?"

[dire gate]

The walking animation tho

ooh

[river veldt]

richard

[hidden elbow]

Truly a game of all time

[young creek]

all time classic ost even though ive never played the games

[hidden elbow]

DEAD CELLS !

[graceful bridge]

Dead Cells xpac for Castlevania stuff

[river veldt]

t ro n

[graceful bridge]

Tron game

[dire gate]

Ok JP stream has desynced now

I'm not seeing the same thing with you

[graceful bridge]

Ghost Trick

[teal sonnet]

watch on twitch

has way less delay

[young creek]

👻

[river veldt]

ooooooh

[visual hill]

I miss Tron games being somewhat popular

[dire gate]

No, it's not about the delay.

[river veldt]

spookyp

[visual hill]

Armagetron Advanced multiplayer was the shit 😛

[dire gate]

JP stream has a different order

So it desyncs

[teal sonnet]

oh

[graceful bridge]

DecaPolice

[river veldt]

decaf police

[green fulcrum]

[dire gate]

This shit I saw recently in guessthegame

[young creek]

eren yeager va pog

[dire gate]

[green fulcrum]

I think Denzy saw this game before and was interested

[dire gate]

Oh Bayo

[graceful bridge]

He got turned into a cat in VR.

[young creek]

Jay maybe not spoil

ty

I had to temp block you last direct cause you did this too

[dire gate]

Uhh

Bayonaisse

bing bong

[graceful bridge]

Bayonetta Origins

[river veldt]

ello ello

[green fulcrum]

Why is Jay sooooo far ahead? By like 30-40 seconds?

[dire gate]

No I'm not ahead

[river veldt]

japanese stream has a different order

[dire gate]

I just see different version of Direct

[green fulcrum]

Oh

[dire gate]

I haven't seen the Tron game yet

for example.

[young creek]

its because only americans love tron

raise your hand if you're a tron fan

[dire gate]

Yeah we just got Decapolice here rn

[river veldt]

🤚

[young creek]

LOOKING

[river veldt]

splaton

[green fulcrum]

Splatoon 3 stuff

[river veldt]

sqiud

[young creek]

splatoon 4 its finally here

[river veldt]

finally

splatoon 6

this time its personal

[graceful bridge]

Splatoon 3 xpac

[green fulcrum]

We going back to 1 bois! :D

[river veldt]

owo whats this

[young creek]

splatoon depression dlc

[green fulcrum]

As usual

[teal sonnet]

so it becomes Nier

so this was the Nier Automata door

[young creek]

I havent played any splatoon 😦

[river veldt]

rat

ricky rat

[river aspen]

🐭

[young creek]

who is your favorite of the og disney trio

[river veldt]

it looks pretty

[young creek]

mine is goofy hes an mvp

[green fulcrum]

Looks pretty whimsical

[river veldt]

im a big Mickey fan

[green fulcrum]

HUGGING!

This looks like great fun for local co-op

[graceful bridge]

Fire Emblem expac

[young creek]

anyone preordering illusion island?

[river veldt]

fire empblem

[green fulcrum]

Camilla, Emblem of Booba Revelation

[graceful bridge]

"Emblem of Revelation"
Yes, she's revealing alright.

[river veldt]

google chrom

wait i missed her

i was making my funny Google Chrom joke

[green fulcrum]

For real though, Camilla is pretty.

[river veldt]

thanks Artiks

[teal sonnet]

dontnod?

[river veldt]

ill nod if i want

[thorny loom]

So far the rumors have been accurate

[river veldt]

Lena Raine

[thorny loom]

Mostly dlc and indie games

[river veldt]

👀

[young creek]

Power??

[graceful bridge]

Harmony

Looks neat

[teal sonnet]

knew it was dontnot