general gaming

[craggy vine]

That is literally irrelevant on my laptop

Also, not a great fps, but impressive considering 32 chunk distance with no performance mods

And it sure as fuck runs better than my i7-4770 desktop without mods

Looking at ocean is similar

Every setting maxed

[visual hill]

I can finally use 32 chunk distance at 110 FPS on my new PC 😛

(Minecraft's FPS limiter severely lacks granularity, I want a 117 FPS cap…)

[craggy vine]

I still plan on upgrading to something like an i9 12900k soon for my desktop

But hey, at least my desktop can run ptgi shaders

Fairly good improvment with sodium

Now to try 2048 chunks with distant horizons

[craggy vine]

What pc do you have

Wow fuck trying to generate 2048 chunks. The fps isn't bad but generation is so slow I'd have to leave the pc on overnight.

I suppose minecraft java isn't meant to generate 2048 chunks in an instant

[gaunt marten]

The FPS is no longer the bottleneck

Your disk speed becomes the bottleneck

[craggy vine]

That moment when 2700 mb/s write and 2850mb/s read is not enough

[gaunt marten]

It's not 2700 for very small write operations

The 2700 is sequential and you want random writes

Random is way, way slower than sequential

[visual hill]

13900K + 4090

[visual hill]

yeah, it's usually closer to 50-70 MB/s on high-end NVMe SSDs

maybe 100 MB/s if the workflow is favorable to your SSD

it's still a lot faster than HDDs (and slightly faster than SATA SSDs)

[craggy vine]

Aah makes sense

Would also make sense to why I set the world generation to use 8 cores and it doesn't really speed up

I'm gonna kill my mac storage by trying to generate 2048 chunks

[gaunt marten]

You could run it on a RAMDisk or something

[craggy vine]

We goin, slowly

[craggy vine]

Perhaps

Sitting at about 600% cpu usage

So not using the entire thing

[gaunt marten]

Is that six maxed cores and the rest idle?

Or are all of them at a lower load?

[craggy vine]

I'm not sure how to see cpu load on each core

[gaunt marten]

On Macs I have no idea

[visual hill]

htop has a macOS port: install Homebrew then run brew install htop, then run htop in a terminal

[craggy vine]

I have this though

Sitting around 90% gpu usage

We really goin

[slim thorn]

how many chunks do you need anyway?

[light gate]

all of them

[craggy vine]

I NEED 2048

[slim thorn]

then leaving it on over only one night seems fine to me lol

[craggy vine]

pfft yeah

Like, the game is meant to generate 16 chunks around you, not 2048, no wonder it takes so long

Sleep with my macbook fans ramped up so much would be annoying though

[slim thorn]

yep, this is the kind of thing game studios do leave running for a few days to generate a full build

[craggy vine]

Interesting

All in all though, this is very impressive for a macbook

Holly fuck I put my hand over the vent, and there is a fuckton of hot air coming out

I feel like I'm using a windows gaming laptop with this fan

Good to know the M2 chip benefits from a fan

[visual hill]

any chip benefits from a fan. The performance difference between passively cooled and actively cooled phones is quite large, even though they use the same SoCs

this is also why most high-end phones aren't that much faster than a Switch if they're just passively cooled

[craggy vine]

Now to make this thing fucking cry

Patrix 256x textures with ptgi shaders

[light gate]

That won’t make it cry.

Wanna make it cry? Emulate x86

[craggy vine]

I already tried that. The fans didn't even ramp up, and it was just slow.

Just couldn't use the cpu, at least with the VM I was trying

[light gate]

Are you using an AIR or Pro?

I presume pro since ya said fans.

[craggy vine]

Minecraft is the first time I heard the fans at all. And it went up to max. Literally reminded me of my sister's gaming laptop.

Yeah pro

[light gate]

Yeah they can get loud, but its so rare.

[craggy vine]

Yeah minecraft made it ramp to 100% and stay there

Took a while after I closed minecraft for it to calm down too

ok for some reason I can't load the 256x textures

Here we go, ptgi

Okay it just doesn't work

Can't load ptgi shaders on m2

Yeah shaders are a disaster on M2

Sildur's vibrant light....

some of it is down to optimization I'm sure, but still

Don't get a macbook for gaming

Although... It did go up to 20 fps

[light gate]

It mostly is

For whatever reason, Minecraft rendering techniques suck.

[craggy vine]

Welp, even on the lowest shader settings without turning stuff off, it is in the 20s

[light gate]

Sounds about right.

M1 exhibited similar issues.

[craggy vine]

Oh hello

As always on java, 16 chunks is a great spot to be

[heady bridge]

My M1 Mac Mini had wildly varying results for stuff. If a game has native Metal API support or well optimised Vulcan support? You were golden, otherwise it was a crap shoot

[craggy vine]

Makes sense

[light gate]

I think Minecraft reports Metal but uses OpenGL.

[craggy vine]

oh

[light gate]

I could be wrong.

[craggy vine]

Yeah openGL on Mac is just dead

[heady bridge]

Yeah I doubt a Microsoft owned company would use an Apple API

[craggy vine]

I look at stuff like Resident Evil Village again though, and somewhat gain hope for gaming on mac

But still, I got this laptop for audio work and other laptop things I may need while out working. And partly because it makes me look professional, I admit.

[heady bridge]

The problem is the support it does get is usually funded by Apple, there isn’t enough of a market otherwise for companies to do stuff off their own backs

[light gate]

You know its funny, Metal is technically OpenGL but with some Vulkan components and improvements.

[heady bridge]

I will say Dolphin using Vulcan runs pretty damn well on Apple Silicon now

[craggy vine]

Yeaah that makes sense. And it sucks really. This little 13 inch thing, playing games, especially with the battery life it has, is great.

I mean hell, I played through almost all of Brutal Doom while on a 9 hour road trip some time ago

[heady bridge]

Even the likes of Aspyr have moved into ports for the Switch to supplement the money from their Mac ports

[craggy vine]

People just don't get macs for gaming

And thus, there will probably never really be a market on mac for games, since nobody is buying the games.

[light gate]

Its the same thing with Linux, the same cycle. Support isn’t there so therefore people don’t buy games because of the lack of support, and therefore reinforced the belief not to support the platform. Mostly like Linux.

The only difference is that its more aggressive because Apple is a company that makes people foam.

Like there is a good reason you don’t hear “I play on a Mac” often.

It’s frown upon, and I don’t like that honestly. It just creates this shameful effect that is unnecessary.

[craggy vine]

Yeah

[heady bridge]

There's also the feeling among the public in general that a Mac is pretty much got the creative market cornered but little else, and Linux still has the feel of something only computer nerds/hobbyists tinker with.

[light gate]

This is so weird for me to finally understand this now, took me a while but I’m glad I have now.

[slim thorn]

tbf, is that feeling wrong?

[craggy vine]

i got it cause I am in the creative market

[heady bridge]

I mean if you boil these things down then no, probably not but ultimately the only way you can shake these preconceptions is taking risks, but the gaming industry, in the AAA sphere at least has never been so risk averse as it has now.

[slim thorn]

I feel like there's an unstated presumption here that we should all want some other OS to take over, but I don't know that that's true

[light gate]

You should use what works for you, not that one takes over.

But the market shouldn’t be dictated by one OS.

[heady bridge]

I'm more of the opinion that you should have competition as that's healthy, but for personal computers if you want to play video games well, you get a Windows PC, I'd at least like one alternative and Linux comes closest now thanks to Proton but even that has issues.

[slim thorn]

for many markets competition is the ideal situation, but in technical contexts where the network externalities (that's the fancy economics term for the "everyone needs X because everyone else uses X" cycle) are overwhelming, I'm not sure the argument holds up

[random steppe]

I mean, in a lot of cases more competition the better, that said, it's also fair to remember that gaming on pc is already kind of mired with compatibility issues which I don't know if would get better by more platforms to have to account for during development.
The fact that there has been one viable OS might have been as much of a boon as a detriment in many ways

[slim thorn]

for something like an operating system, I think it's easier to argue the situation is one of a "natural monopoly" such as a utility company, which are usually government-run for that reason; though governments certainly aren't ready to do OS dev when they aren't even doing internet infrastructure yet (which should be a utility)

right, the usual arguments for why competition is a good thing depend on the good or service being interchangeable (among many many other things I could list if you want)

you can't "just" swap OSes the way you can "just" watch a different movie or eat different food today

[random steppe]

It's hard to tell for me what would be the ideal solution

[slim thorn]

my serious opinion is that this is one of those places where technology advanced a lot faster than society did and we're lacking several layers of non-technical advancement to make any ideal solution feasible

[random steppe]

It's definitely more complicated than more competition the better, I wish we had an alternative reality to peer into in which there were two concurring OS about as viable for gaming to see what would result

[slim thorn]

I do appreciate that Valve is using their de facto monopoly power to actually try doing that

(incidentally, e-shops are definitely not a natural monopoly )

[random steppe]

[random steppe]

Incidentally, the government developing OS sounds like an element of a dystopian future to me so I think we will have to stick to companies for that

If you ask me

[slim thorn]

granted, corporations running the world is merely a different flavor of dystopia

it's hard to tell what would lead to what

perhaps the open source organizations we already have are pretty close to what we want, and the ideal is merely that governments fund the "critical" open source projects

(which I know some are already doing some of)

[thorny loom]

https://www.pcgamer.com/a-spit-in-the-face-of-every-translator-who-worked-tirelessly-on-the-projectpersona-3-and-4-localisers-arent-in-the-credits/

[wind stump]

Aw Nep
here we go again

[thorny loom]

Oh shit

https://www.pcgamer.com/riot-says-it-wont-pay-ransom-after-league-of-legends-source-code-stolen-by-hackers/

[random steppe]

Makes sense

I don't think it's as damaging as some people think it is for a game like league

[bleak lintel]

No one is going to be able to understand that source code.

[random steppe]

If all the code is of the quality of their old launcher it's probably bad anyway

[slim thorn]

with most software, the source isn't really the valuable part anyway

it's the people supporting and maintaining it

[dire gate]

One thing people can do with League source code is mock about how spaghetti it is

League code is extremely infamous for being a whole Italian restaurant

[teal sonnet]

someone will fucking fix this whole game and release it

tho we will see a massive influx of cheaters now

they even got hands on valorant anti-cheat system

[arctic fern]

Maybe they can fix it lol
I know of atleast one person who's computer got damaged by that anticheat acting up

And that was last week

[random steppe]

LoL is pretty good, I don't think it needs fixing

You can't fix the community is the problem

[grim stirrup]

you can be more heavy handed on bans, i've reported people who dropped multiple hard slurs in a game that didn't get banned

like the sort of stuff that should 100% be picked up by a system

[random steppe]

Yeah but you don't need the source code for that

[wind stump]

literally "touch grass"

[hasty patio]

https://twitter.com/Darktide40K/status/1617960503233445910

Warhammer 40K: Darktide (@Darktide40K)

https://t.co/QdzJskxqvI

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Twitter · Jan 24, 2023, 7:00 PM

[dire gate]

Is it? It is well known to have multiple game-breaking bugs almost every month

Recently one of the users figured out how years-long persisting bug happened and told it to riot, and I heard they could finally fix it

League code, just like I said, is known to be extremely broken to its community

[random steppe]

IDK I never had a feeling it was especially broken all the time I played

The game itself

[gaunt marten]

The balance is often broken with updates in a way that's not clear to casual players

[random steppe]

The launcher was astonishingly shit

[dire gate]

There is a whole YouTube channel dedicated to showcase all the bugs the game has

https://youtube.com/@Vandiril

[random steppe]

I can only talk about my experience

Never really met any bug while playing

Or seen streamers run into bugs

[dire gate]

The problem is that they often happen during competitive plays

I have seen a match that got paused, delayed for like 2 hours, and eventually end up being a rematch

Because of a bug

And that was in a competitive league

In the most recent international tourney they had a dramatic match which later was figured out that the result could have been different if certain bug did not happen

[random steppe]

Maybe a lot aren't that visible, may be why I didn't have that experience

Like, if a bug for example is that an item doesn't properly add all of its stats for some reason, I'm not likely to notice

[dire gate]

Some of them are not noticable if you don't know how it should work

Some of them are not game breaking but super noticable

Some are simply gamebreaking

[random steppe]

Interesting tho, good to know

[bleak lintel]

League is famous for their "everything is a minion" bug.

[gaunt marten]

Some problems are a result of unanticipated consequences where they try to balance one character by changing a mechanic and horribly break another

[dire gate]

The funniest thing is that they have a system called Chronobreak for competitive league

Which makes it possible to go back time and play from one point in past

So they sometimes use it to 'fix' the situation

But then Chronobreak also sometime breaks

And they have to do rematch

So the casters be like
"We have a bug"
"We will return to the match after a Chronobreak"
"...Chronobreak is not working, we will have a rematch soon"

[teal sonnet]

I have a channel on a discord server

just to send screenshots of bugs

the gifting system

at least on the BR server

was broken FOR 2 YEARS

2 FUCKING YEARS

[grim stirrup]

they also gutted my kitty cat this patch coming

[dire gate]

Don’t say you play YUUMI

[grim stirrup]

kitty cat

[dire gate]

[teal sonnet]

league client is the most disgusting client I ever seen in any game

I play this game for almost a decade

[grim stirrup]

she already has a 47% winrate outside of proplay

[teal sonnet]

and I can say for certain, league if broken as fuck

[dire gate]

Yuumi should never have a high winrate outside of proplay

Because it is one of the easiest champion to do nothing

And it is actually hard to play it correctly

[grim stirrup]

she had one of the highest deltas of winrate to playrate

that changed after a shit tonne of nerfs/changes so she's like 30th or something on that delta now

[gaunt marten]

Riot also ground my parents and fed them to the wolves

[grim stirrup]

classic riot

dont worry though, this is my champion mastery point thingy for my main i have way to much illaoi mastery

[dire gate]

Jfc

[bleak lintel]

Yuumi was designed so a less skilled player can play with their friend, so I think that works on some level.
Riot should just blanket ban some champions from proplay.

[dire gate]

Such an irony, because Yuumi is actually quite a skill-based champion

[grim stirrup]

these are my other two accounts that i made to play with friends

nowhere near as much as the crazy illaoi on the first, but still

but yeah, i dont think champions should be banned from pro play, but somethings defo fucky, the same happens with ezreal every other worlds

[green fulcrum]

Huh, the ladies are very popular on League of Legends, it seems.

[dire gate]

That is chipmunk's personal mastery chart

[gaunt marten]

People like girls

[teal sonnet]

I think I like certain champion

[grim stirrup]

silly poppy, you're not meant to be that big

also holy fuck, thats way to much of 1 champ, thats like 3* the amount i have on illaoi

[dire gate]

I am an ARAM player so my thing looks like skittles

[wind stump]

Nah, doesn't ring a bell

[dire gate]

I like that Neptune series don’t even remotely try to hide the reference at all

They are simply straightforward

[wind stump]

bruh

the metatext is killing me

[dire gate]

Ryukishi and ZUN are friends unironically iirc

[quiet swift]

Hm. Linus has a new video, roasting chinese gaming setups for chinese new year. First 5 seconds starts with "This is too much waifu."

...This aughta be good.

[wind stump]

Never enough waifu

[wind stump]

Of course they are, lmao.
I imagine Ryukishi being like "Yeah I licenced Higurashi to that Neptunia thing, thought it'd be funny."
And then ZUN is like "... That's it I'm getting Reimu in Neptunia."

[river veldt]

I wonder what Kojima thought of Cyberpunk

[rancid herald]

needs more food animals

[sonic dune]

7.8/10 too much water

[fresh bane]

https://twitter.com/CompAesthetics/status/1617366902178983938?t=W3Bp0pGAytFoizFFTzidsg&s=19

Computer (@CompAesthetics)

https://t.co/SsC6Kvl7wS

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Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck

Oh it's not embedding

https://twitter.com/EDeg40/status/1617426800522702849

Enzo Degraeve (@EDeg40)

@CompAesthetics

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Twitter · Jan 23, 2023, 7:39 AM

I love this shit

[fickle garnet]

Someone on this server made that

[river veldt]

@peak mesa we love your stuff

[fresh bane]

Really?

[fickle garnet]

Yup

[river veldt]

but Doomguy may later have a mighty sword powerful enough to rip and tear the chief to pieces
heh nice

[fresh bane]

I wish that aesthetic came back

It should totally come back

Maybe I'm just super duper nostalgic but I think it wouldn't be a significant downgrade or anything

[fickle garnet]

I dunno if this is too much of a meme but here

[light gate]

This is an actual thing.

That game has now become a potential warning vector, its quite sad.

[thorny loom]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1237970/Titanfall_2/

Steam

Titanfall® 2

Call down your Titan and get ready for an exhilarating first-person shooter experience in Titanfall® 2! The sequel introduces a new single player campaign that explores the bond between Pilot and Titan. Or blast your way through an even more innovative and intense multiplayer experience - featuring 6 new Titans, deadly new Pilot abilities, expan...

Price

$2.99

Recommendations

124391

Metacritic

86

▶ Play video

Its $3

[green fulcrum]

Jesus, that's a good deal. If I was a fan of shooters I'd get that.

[arctic fern]

Titanfall 2 is one of the best FPS games of all time

At that price it's a gift from the developers

[gaunt marten]

What the fuck

[fresh bane]

I'd definitely get it because I loved playing Apex

if it weren't for the fact that I kept hearing for years that the game is dead the devs don't even care and there was a huge hacker problem

[gaunt marten]

For me it's four dollars

https://i.imgur.com/a3VYibR.png

[arctic fern]

The single player campaign is worth full price

[gaunt marten]

Usually it's around 40% cheaper for my region, not 20% more expensive

[fresh bane]

I don't usually care for single player when it comes to FPS so if all the other problems are still rampant.. I'll pass unfortunately

I'm sure it's good, I just enjoy FPS games more when I play online

[static bluff]

It's the first snacks game...

[weak river]

Sorry for being a bit late to the party (as per usual), but for what it's worth, Titanfall 2 multiplayer is still definitely playable.

The vanilla servers can have some issues nowadays, but they're still usable. The servers can admittedly be a bit unstable at times, and there are times of the day where not many people are queueing for multiplayer, but in my experience crashes are uncommon and the servers are still relatively populated, meaning that you can still get a pretty consistently positive experience from the default multiplayer servers.

The main issue that you probably heard about recently were the DDoS attacks that the servers were subjected to for an extended period of time. While I don't think those completely disappeared, the issues have definitely died down somewhat in recent days.

If the vanilla servers really aren't cutting it, though, a new piece of software was released pretty recently called "Northstar" that allows players to host their own servers and generally bypass some of the more notable issues. I've never personally used it, but it sounds like it's popular enough among the community to warrant checking it out. You can find information about that at https://northstar.tf/.

Of course, I don't quite know what your specific situation is. If you're concerned about the servers crashing, or if the game isn't popular enough in your region, etc., then you might be making the right choice by skipping it.

For $3, though, it might be worth checking it out anyway, because it'll be a fantastic game if it functions properly. Just a recommendation, though; not attempting to pressure anything.

[peak mesa]

Aww thanks 😄

[fresh bane]

I don't know, I just might get it because it's so incredibly cheap, but at the same time when Apex Legends was getting hacked I just kept hearing so much bad stuff from Titanfall 2

That the game was practically entirely abandoned on top of those issues with hackers or servers going down, I have no idea if things have gotten better now though

[slim thorn]

tbf the single player alone is easily worth $3

especially if you're the type to play it more than once, unlike me

[fresh bane]

Well like I said I'm sure the single player campaign is incredible but I kinda care more about multiplayer I just get a lot more enjoyment out of multiplayer shooters than single player

Doom being the single exception I suppose

[weak river]

I would definitely say that things have gotten better. The point about the game being abandoned is admittedly pretty accurate; we're certainly not expecting any content updates any time soon. The servers are still up, though, which is good enough for a lot of us.

Granted, the game is definitely past its prime, but in my opinion it is absolutely still worth playing.

Of course, you might disagree based on some of the aforementioned variables, but in my opinion it's at least worth trying out.

Not trying to pressure anything, though. If you still have reservations, then by all means, save that money for something you're more confident on.

[fresh bane]

It's less about the money for me since it's only 3 bucks it's basically free at that point, it's more about ''am I going to pay for this game and never play it ever again because it's completely unplayable/unenjoyable?''

[weak river]

I would personally go for it, if the money's truly not a concern.

At that point, the worst that happens is that your Steam Library gets ever-so-slightly more clogged, and the best that happens is that you get to add another pretty darn good multiplayer FPS to your repertoire.

As for the unenjoyable aspect, it might help to look up some gameplay beforehand to see if it's something that speaks to you or not. It's a very movement-heavy shooter, which is something that I'm sure our highly trained propaganda team has said to you before.

[fresh bane]

Like I said I played Apex so I know that if Titanfall 2 ends up working properly I'm probably going to enjoy it

[weak river]

Oh, is the Apex gameplay similar? I've never actually played it.

[fresh bane]

From what I've seen it's literally just Apex except you get Pathfinder's hook permanently which is his greatest tool and also robots

They are basically the same except each character has their own unique thing going on

The same core movement shooter action is still the same in both games

The weapons are literally the same in some cases

I stopped playing Apex because my machine can't run it perfectly just yet, so if I do buy TF2 I might have to hold off before playing it

[weak river]

That's pretty cool, actually. I had no idea that the gameplay was that similar between the two.

Oh, the technical issues are a shame. Titanfall's a tad bit older, though, so maybe it will work better?

[fresh bane]

I guess we'll find out when I eventually install it

[weak river]

Propaganda mission successful

I do hope you enjoy it as much as you did Apex, though. Good luck!

[fresh bane]

Well I was planning on getting it anyway since it's basically free
though I did pay slightly more because the prices here are a tad bit more expensive

I ended up paying 3.32 rather than 2.99

it's fine

[chilly mural]

[sonic dune]

Y'all I got the coolest kill in RDO

I shot one guy and his horse kept going, leading to another horse slamming into it causing the second dude to go flying

[low flume]

Abusing infinite money glitch 101

[fresh bane]

I had never gotten to this point before in BP

damn this place is so pretty

I wish the entire game was this colorful, a lot of the times the game is super gritty and desaturated and I get why but damn look at all this color

the demon world is so cool

oh I forgot BP straight up has photo mode too

[craggy vine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOhRmxWWzvM
Don't kill me

[visual hill]

damn, I bought it for €5 last month

not a huge difference but still

(I only intend to play the campaign)

[visual hill]

amazing

[visual hill]

on today's menu: thicc sense of scale

[hidden elbow]

https://youtu.be/5cvhXKWLgvg

This ost is just fucking insane

[wind stump]

Bruh this game really is taking the piss out of every modern inconvenience

[thorny loom]

Rip

https://www.pcgamer.com/one-of-steams-most-anticipated-games-hit-by-8-month-delay-over-bizarre-trademark-dispute/

[heady bridge]

https://youtu.be/iwoE9sXGd_U

FRIDAY!

[arctic fern]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2134770/SteamWorld_Build/ oh heck this looks neat

Steam

SteamWorld Build

Be the architect of a SteamWorld mining town! Break ground and raise houses for your steambot citizens, keep them fed and provide some rootin'-tootin' entertainment. There's an abandoned mine sitting under your town, and it’s rumored to be filled with ancient tech that holds the key to escaping the impending doom. Use the natural resources above...

Release Date

Coming soon

▶ Play video

"coming soon™️" but still neat

[random steppe]

Ok listen, this is from a developer that made nothing of note before this, promised the best game in the genre by far, and so far has shown very little days before the game release.

I call bullshit on this delay, its an excuse because this game is a scam

[arctic fern]

i've not even heard of this game before now

[heady bridge]

never even heard of that game before now either

[thorny loom]

Also rip

https://www.pcgamer.com/obsidian-once-had-plans-for-a-rick-and-morty-game/

[random steppe]

It's definitely a scam, they went and made a fanfare saying "yeah, no worries, we will release a gameplay trailer soon so you can see the game is real" and now the trailer is delayed because of this

[heady bridge]

https://youtu.be/CjW00as9XCA

Also out on Xbox on Friday

[river veldt]

:D

[arctic fern]

wait, is that a remaster of the old game? on gamepass?

IT IS! OMG!

best news i've heard all year

[grim stirrup]

i love the steamworld franchise, all of the games i've played from it are great

i gotta play the demo for that later

[quiet swift]

I think bellular made a video about that wishlisted game. It definitely feels kinda suspicious and absolutely not ready

[bleak lintel]

Playing Goldeneye when it isn't running at 15 fps will feel strange.

[gaunt marten]

Never heard of it

[sonic dune]

Anyone playing RDR2 know what the grey bits on the stats mean?

[quiet swift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rosAy_y6AJM&ab_channel=BellularNews ah, this

[gaunt marten]

I don't play the game but in other games I expect that the gray bar show potential from upgrading the weapon

That's the only place I see them in other games

[sonic dune]

It's got all the upgrades it could have

[gaunt marten]

How curious

[sonic dune]

Rifled barrel
Long barrel
Improved sights

That's all the upgrades you can get in RDR2 lol

They wanted to be more realistic

[gaunt marten]

Oh I looked it up

Are you also using the best possible ammo?

[sonic dune]

Maybe

I think I'm using express rounds

[gaunt marten]

There's also weapon familiarity, where weapons become better with use

[sonic dune]

I don't think it's that for the Mausers

I mostly use my repeater

[gaunt marten]

Okay

[sonic dune]

It's probably that the white is base states and the grey is my ammos stats

[gaunt marten]

Then swap to different ammo and find out

[sonic dune]

I shall tonight

For now I'm doing art

[slim thorn]

the only other guess I can think of is critical hits but I have no idea if RD* has those

[sonic dune]

It might

I don't imagine a critical hit would max out acc-

Maybe it's deadeye

[slim thorn]

I have a hard time imagining a critical hit system that improves range lol, but it was a long shot

[sonic dune]

Badum ts

[slim thorn]

base stats vs some kind of switchable/equippable enhancement seems the most likely

[sonic dune]

I know it's not because my weapon is dirty

I took that screen cap fresh after a cleaning

Do you like my pistol?

I also took a picture of the repeater but for some reason it didn't upload to the network

[mossy flume]

IIRC it’s loss of performance due to the weapon needing to be maintained

[sonic dune]

Read three messages up

[sonic dune]

Right here

[mossy flume]

Ah, it’s potential maximum

https://www.reddit.com/r/reddeadredemption/comments/9rx7t0/what_does_the_gray_bar_in_the_weapon_stats_mean/

[sonic dune]

here's the repeater

[mossy flume]

Different upgrades and ammo types

They might have designed it so that you can’t necessarily max them all out at once

[sonic dune]

Second comment down says that there's still grey even with a fully upgraded gun with the best ammo

[mossy flume]

It’s been a hot minute since I’ve played

Well that’s what the internet is telling me

[icy crescent]

its for different ammo types

[sonic dune]

Also

This is the coolest thing I've ever done in this game

[icy crescent]

you can reach that specific potential stats if you use the right ammo for the gun

and this is the wierdest thing i've ever seen in this game

[icy crescent]

[sonic dune]

"weee"

My horse fuckin weezing

Girl really turned to the camera like "you seeing this shit?"

[mossy flume]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/25/23571013/valve-is-notorious-for-its-purported-flat-structure-where-people-are-encouraged-to-work-on-whatever

[gaunt marten]

Flat structure lacks structure

[visual hill]

it uses original assets, not the ones from the leaked XBLA version. It doesn't even seem to be using HD fonts

TL;DR: 1964GEPD on PC will remain the definitive way to play it, with keyboard/mouse support, 60 FPS, high resolutions, etc

[arctic fern]

Huh

Thanks

Still cool to see

[visual hill]

there's a decompilation project which was 50% complete last time I checked, it might get a PC port in a few years from now

Perfect Dark has a complete decomp but no PC port yet

[arctic fern]

Nice

[heady bridge]

https://metro.co.uk/2023/01/25/mutalk-soundproof-microphone-is-the-dumbest-kinkiest-peripheral-ever-18164264/

Ummm

[slim thorn]

oh this again

[arctic fern]

I actually really like the idea of this product

I'm naturally loud, have insomnia and I'm a gamer

[slim thorn]

it would be nice if such things were common enough that not every single work meeting needs to do a round of "mute if you're not talking"

[arctic fern]

I live on my own right now but when I had housemates or my crazy ex neighbour this would have been a godsend

[heady bridge]

I like the idea, the execution though, errr.....

[arctic fern]

Might have stopped me getting threatened

[arctic fern]

It looks like the quest 2

Honestly all these headlines are dumb

[drifting tendon]

They have to isolate the noise at some point so it is either a compact design that only covers the mouth, or they move onto a full face helmet which no one will wear.

[rough sleet]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=m4g7iymOXR4

[thorny loom]

https://www.pcgamer.com/forspokens-pc-port-is-another-fine-square-enix-mess/

[astral field]

I'm not sure how a flat structure with total creative freedom is supposed to be bad.

[arctic fern]

I would totally wear a gaming helmet

Especially if I could cram VR into it

[bleak lintel]

Forspoken isn't reviewing well anyways.

[thorny loom]

Its a typical square enix game

About only thing they have now thats worth talking about is final fantasy

[slim thorn]

the usual alleged downsides of this sort of total individual freedom are that no one ever works on the boring stuff like maintaining existing products, testing and polishing not-quite-finished ones, and you may not have enough people committed to the same project at the same time to do it properly

I don't know how true that is and haven't read the article, just that's what I've heard before

[wind stump]

This is a real video game.

[quiet swift]

https://www.polygon.com/23541125/proletariat-activision-blizzard-union-vote-withdrawn Ugh.
CWA has withdrawn its request for a representation election at Activision Blizzard’s Proletariat studio. Unfortunately, Proletariat CEO Seth Sivak chose to follow Activision Blizzard’s lead and responded to the workers’ desire to form a union with confrontational tactics. Like many founders, he took the workers’ concerns as a personal attack and held a series of meetings that demoralized and disempowered the group, making a free and fair election impossible.

[fresh bane]

I've said it before here but I love love love this type of levels in old videogames specifically

something about the scale of these giant levels in these low poly low res textured games is just so fucking cool

It super reminds me of when I was playing Deus Ex and I was just... in awe at the super good atmosphere of the city parts of that game

does anyone else pick up what I'm putting down here or am I kinda weird?

[slim thorn]

no I get it

I just don't think I've played very many games from the "count the polygons" era of 3D

Star Wars: DroidWorks comes to mind though, at least when I was a kid some of those environments felt massive despite being made of about 10 triangles

and for games that likely hold up a bit better: are you familiar with System Shock 2? (I haven't played any of the others, that's the one everyone recommends)

[teal sonnet]

This game was announced and released today

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1817230/HiFi_RUSH/

Steam

Hi-Fi RUSH

Feel the beat as wannabe rockstar Chai and his ragtag team of allies rebel against an evil tech megacorp with raucous rhythm combat! From Tango Gameworks, the studio that brought you The Evil Within and Ghostwire: Tokyo (no, really) comes Hi-Fi RUSH, an all-new action game where the characters, world and combat stylishly sync to the music!Chai V...

Price

$29.99

▶ Play video

IT IS FUCKING AWESOME

HOLY SHIT

Bethesda dropped this out of fucking nowhere

https://youtu.be/0GlkDcf006I

[fickle garnet]

I might try it since it's on gamepass

[teal sonnet]

the full game is on gamepass

it is awesome

holy shit

[fresh bane]

I've heard of this franchise a lot but I never actually played or seen it at all

I know nothing about it unfortunately

looks like the starcraft lady

[slim thorn]

I think the fastest way to describe it for this crowd is "halfway between the original Half-Life and the original Deus Ex"

[untold vigil]

oh my god star war driodworks

I remeber it well

[slim thorn]

it's not just me!

[untold vigil]

and by well i mean insanely poorly

but i remeber it!

[slim thorn]

ok but did you ever manage to launch the assassin droid into orbit

[untold vigil]

I do not think so

[slim thorn]

aw

[untold vigil]

I played it when I was far far too young to actually figure anything out

[slim thorn]

(tbf it took me a while, though mostly because at that age it scared me)

[untold vigil]

I don't think I owned it either

i played it on someone elses computer during

some wierd scenario

[slim thorn]

makes sense, it takes a while to get to the end of it

[fresh bane]

I was gonna say

I never heard of that game...

[fresh bane]

I love how it's a universal thing for kids to be scared of things in games even if the game is not necessarily scary or horror oriented

[slim thorn]

dying isn't fun

plus there's no real combat mechanics in Droidworks, the assassin droid just moves really fast and zaps you to death if you can't run away fast enough

and you have to use yourself as bait to ultimately deal with it

come to think of it I don't think I've ever personally played one of those horror games where you can't fight and have to run away from everything

[fresh bane]

they were never my style personally

I remember being super scared of RE4 but that's a horror game

I never got past the first level of the farm as a kid

2 spoopy

it doesn't help that, you know, they speak spanish, so I understood that they were saying ''GRAB HIM, GET HIM, GO GO GET HIM GET HIM!''

[fickle garnet]

I've never played re4

[slim thorn]

Tale might remember me saying this a few days ago but because RE4 was one of the first at-least-half-horror games I ever played it spooked me pretty badly at first... until I tried listening to J-pop while I played and then it was fine

and I only did that once or twice early in the village part

[fresh bane]

hmmmm I'm trying to remember if I was ever scared by something that wasn't really scary or a horror game as a kid...

oh I actually remember

Batman Begins scared the shit out of me for some reason

I remember there's these enemies that are all crazy and do these weird noises and move really weird and that really creeped me out as a kid

[slim thorn]

and don't forget the games that weren't really that hard but we were terrible at as kids lol

[fresh bane]

or games that weren't really hard and nailed as kids but somehow I can't seem to go through now as an adult

[slim thorn]

oh, which one is that?

[fresh bane]

Hmmm... let me think, I can't remember right now which one it was but I definitely remember going through an old game and thinking ''how did I ever figure this shit out as a kid???''

because I never read anything!

[slim thorn]

ah, well then I'll name the one I was alluding to

[slim thorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wu4qIma308

spoiler: no in retrospect it wasn't really good

[arctic fern]

Lol

[slim thorn]

but I have weirdly fond memories of the stealth puzzle rooms

[craggy vine]

They even had to abandon the structure a bit to get half life alyx out

[fresh bane]

Oh man, I remember being so bummed that I was softlocked in Harry Potter 2 in the PS2

I remember the last thing you do in that game is go for the end year celebration and the winning of the cup and I remember not having enough points so Slytherin won the cup

and I had nothing else to do so I was just kinda fucked

I was so fucking bummed by that

[teal sonnet]

bethesda THIS GAME IS FUCKING GOOOD

[fresh bane]

I remember I recently played Sonic Unleashed again and I had a lot of trouble with some levels

as a kid I never finished the last eggman land level, and I still haven't

but I remember thinking ''how the hell did I even get this far as a kid? I'm having trouble NOW''

[craggy vine]

Sonic Unleashed bricked itself on my ps2. After a point in the game it would just get an infinite loading screen.

[fresh bane]

Oh man I remember uhh

In Bully if you were out in night hours these fucking giant dudes would pursue you

They scared the shit out of me as a kid

[fickle garnet]

I'm currently downloading itm it looks awesome

[untold vigil]

oh man Bully

Thats a blast

from the past

[river veldt]

omg is this the game with the really bad Hagrid

[slim thorn]

I feel like I might've played a bit of Bully but I'm not sure

[arctic fern]

I want to play bully but fond it too clunky on PC

[river veldt]

what is DroidWroks

do you make your own droids

is it fun

does it hold upp

[slim thorn]

uh

[river veldt]

i bought 2 games today Plants vs Zombies and Vampire Survivors

[slim thorn]

I mean I enjoyed it a lot back then but I kinda doubt it holds up lol

[river veldt]

is Yoda in it

[slim thorn]

I don't think so?

[river veldt]

why

[slim thorn]

[river veldt]

why are you confused

[arctic fern]

Yoda isn't in every star wars game or story

[river veldt]

yea but everything that has Yoda is automatically good

[arctic fern]

Play Yoda's story

[river veldt]

is that the one where he looks like Bill Murray

it is!

[arctic fern]

Lol

[river veldt]

i also found this which I hate

[arctic fern]

https://youtu.be/j2qBdfKM2x4 I was gonna post this vid where jontron plays it but you already know about it lol

[river veldt]

Yoda is my favourite

[thorny loom]

https://www.pcgamer.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-is-returning-to-vvardenfall-in-shadow-over-morrowind/

[rancid herald]

huh

new class

[gaunt marten]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxc7ASnEB3M

Actually might be catchier than the original

[quiet swift]

https://twitter.com/merrittk/status/1618105054451609602

merritt k (@merrittk)

Every line of this cast listing from "Quest for the Code," an educational game about asthma, is wilder than the last

Likes

3612

Retweets

493

Twitter · Jan 25, 2023, 4:34 AM

[minor plover]

I think it peaks at Shaq personally

[green fulcrum]

...They had an actual general doing voice work for a game?

WHAT.

He must've really needed that weed money that day.

[icy crescent]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1401590/view/3637254425208433999?l=english

[mossy flume]

Fucking Whoopi Goldberg??

Oh wow Discord didn't scroll, haha

[mossy flume]

That is deeply upsetting

[light gate]

they do this if they have any suspicion

[mossy flume]

That's what fucking x-rays are for

That was a 9.2 rating, goddamn

[light gate]

Yes, but in the x-rays they thought it was like some potential kaboom.

So they pretty much ripped it open, and found a cell battery.

[mossy flume]

If they can't tell what a coin cell battery is in the xray, they shouldn't have thatjob

The TSA doesn't have a problem with analyzing my dense bag full of electronics, wires, batteries, and more electronics \

[light gate]

I mean, it doesn't matter. The law allows this and encourages it.

So its a bit more of Rule 2 issue.

It sucks for sure though.

[astral field]

Honestly, that is so blatant that it probably was deliberate destruction.

[fresh bane]

that fucking intro with Zach as Yoda is still one of the most hilarious bits ever

[thorny loom]

https://www.pcgamer.com/i-played-that-dollar2000-steam-game-and-its-ridiculous-price-is-probably-for-the-best/

[fresh bane]

''Woah! Careful where you're flying that thing! You might accidentally knock Yoda out of his catatonic state''

[river veldt]

wow this game sounds awful

[rugged flax]

https://youtu.be/m7-ylaabOCw

[craggy vine]

It sounds fucking awful

[fresh bane]

''new'' ps1/ps2 games?

[gaunt marten]

They're unsold reprints from a few years back

[craggy vine]

Why did they do reprints?

A few years back

[gaunt marten]

They wanted more money I suppose

[fresh bane]

Wait, they just made new copies of PS1/PS2 games? Like for real?

[gaunt marten]

I don't know when they made them

But this happens all the time if it's in small volumes

Notice how the Final Fantasy origins one they don't have the materials to do the classic PS1 black backing

[craggy vine]

I guess if people buy them, then it makes sense

[visual hill]

heh, a CS:GO map that's made by the community but is available in the official base game just got a Christmas update… in January

https://i.redd.it/o7k8u2b57aea1.jpg

[slim thorn]

everyone's making off by one errors today

we just got a TYT short for Valentine's day

[visual hill]

https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/10leejd/was_almost_updated_in_time_for_christmas_good_job/

the update was actually made after Christmas on December 28th, but it took Valve a while to integrate it

(this is common procedure for community map updates, though the fact the update was made after Christmas means this was done as a joke)

[arctic fern]

lol

[wind stump]

Decided to invest in an Xbox Series X controller, my ol' reliable PS4 one is giving up the ghost.

Plus like, my mum got an Xbox One for Xmas, so it'll be handy for that whenever multiplayer shin-digs happen

[chilly mural]

I've been using my dualshock 3 I've gotten about 8 years ago

doesn't feel like new but still works like I wanted it too

[wind stump]

tbh i think the fact it came with the shell on the right handle bent in a bit was a sign

SIRI
PLAY SNAKE EATER

[thorny loom]

https://www.pcgamer.com/naughty-dog-is-done-with-uncharted-but-the-last-of-us-is-an-open-question/

[slim thorn]

fair

[thorny loom]

Shame we didnt get 1 and 2 on pc

[wind stump]

Uzume...

[fresh bane]

even more TLOU?

are we gonna cut even more fingers off of Ellie's hands?

TLOU2 left such a sour taste in my mouth I don't even want to think about the prospect of another TLOU being made

https://youtu.be/TvtOGAlwlXM
also wow Forspoken was even worse than I thought

it's such a weird trend nowadays in multiple media to just make the MC an insufferable unlikeable asshole

the game also apparently has insane requirements but looks so unpolished

[grim stirrup]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3VQ-fuRugQ apparently the remakes good

[fresh bane]

Yeah I was gonna link that video earlier

Dead Space got the RE1R treatment, aka the best remake of all time

No extreme changes or complete overhauls, the same core game is intact, just with better improvements and enhancements to the original gameplay and much better visuals

[arctic fern]

thats genuinely great to hear, i was concerned EA would do an EA

[grim stirrup]

there's still time

[fresh bane]

Fortunately it is a genuine great game and remake and from what I heard from Suzi they recontextualize a lot of things in the plot and add some more moments that reference other Dead Space media

so there's a bit there for everyone

[random steppe]

It is a very funny statement coming from a DMC superfan, given how many people find Dante to be exactly that.
It seems to me that the problem is more that there wasn't much of an audience for this kind of personality or more likely, the writing wasn't good enough to make it an endearing personality trait.

[fresh bane]

Huh???

Nobody finds Dante to be an insufferable unlikeable asshole

that's the weirdest take I've heard

[chilly mural]

I love regular Dante

[fresh bane]

Everyone loves Dante he's one of the most charming lovable videogame MCs

[random steppe]

I don't, but it's literally the number one complaint from people that dislike Devil May Cry

[fresh bane]

I've never heard that at all

First time I ever hear that take

[gaunt marten]

I find him to be unlikeable but actually I don't care because the game is not about Dante. It's about hitting enemies with a sword

[fresh bane]

Dante never acts like an insufferable unlikeable asshole like a lot of MCs in current media do where they're super sarcastic and snarky and generally just an asshole to everyone around them

Well the game is about Dante...

At least the first three

[random steppe]

I thought he was great when I was younger, now that I'm odler I find him in older games a lot more cringy, but still not terrible

[gaunt marten]

I don't care about story

[random steppe]

In DMC5 and 4 he is a lot better, as the writing clearly improved overtime

[gaunt marten]

I just wanna see numbers get big

[random steppe]

To be clear, I still find him endearing in the older games too, but it's more because I formed my opinion of him at the time

[fresh bane]

Well that's just a matter of different tastes I guess, DMC is no stranger to wacky japanese style antics it's extremely influenced by shit like kamen rider

[random steppe]

A character that does the same nowdays I would probably find annoying and unnecessarily edgy

[fresh bane]

But Dante has never ever acted in the way I'm describing when I refer to MCs like Forspoken's

At all

If people find him unlikeable because they personally don't like the wacky over the top antics of games like DMC or Bayonetta that's one thing but Dante acting like an insufferable unlikeable asshole is a galaxy apart and a completely different thing

[random steppe]

I mean...that's also very subjective, and I assure you, a LOT of people find him an insufferable asshole

[fresh bane]

That's not really the point, whether or not people find him to be isn't the same as him being

[random steppe]

That's not really the point, whether or not people find him to be isn't the same as him being
This sentence doesn't mean anything

There isn't an objective metric for this

[fresh bane]

I'd argue there super is

[visual hill]

Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series

[random steppe]

IDk maybe you only hang out with younger people than I do, when I say I like Devil May Cry with the people I hang out with I pretty much always I need to preface "I know it's cringy at times, it's self aware edgyness"

[fresh bane]

I don't actually, and I know I'm probably desensitized to japanese over the top antics because it's a form of media I've consumed and enjoyed for a long time, but what I'm arguing here is completely different and it's the fact that you compared an MC like Dante who is universally loved to a type of MC prevalent in current media who acts like an asshole to everyone around them and is generally completely unlikeable

Dante is charming, he's funny, he's cool, yeah he can be a bit cringe for people who aren't used to this type of thing but that doesn't really matter much because he's not acting like an asshole, he's not a dick all the time, he's just goofy

[random steppe]

I watch a lot of anime, and played a fuckton of JRPGs, so it's definitely not because of japanese tropes

Even tho there is some of that

[fresh bane]

and the people I probably 'hanged out' with the most are the two streamers that got me into DMC in the first place, both of which are around their 30s-40s and love the shit out of this franchise

so it's definitely not an age thing at all

[chilly mural]

Pat and Woolie?

[fresh bane]

It's just a matter of tastes, but again that's not my point really, I'm just trying to make it very clear that I'm not talking about MCs like Dante here and Dante is nowhere near the type of MC I'm talking about

[chilly mural]

[fresh bane]

Yeah

Paige is playing through DMC1 too and she's loving it, and she's almost 30

she thinks Dante is super cool

[random steppe]

I'm not saying no older people can find him endearing, I do, but his kind of humour is definitely something that didn't age well with my aging sensibilities.

[chilly mural]

I do think their view and seminars of DMC have also lightened me up on DMC because I did not care about that stuff when I was a teenager 9 years ago

[heady bridge]

Almost every game from Nihon Falcom uses JRPG tropes for their characters but still make their protagonists/MCs incredibly enjoyable and you root for them throughout their development. Then this is the company that gave the world Estelle Bright, my favourite protagonist in any video game I have ever played so I'm probably biased.

[flint iron]

Only thing I played of dmc was Dante and Vergil in Marvel vs Capcom 3 and Dante being in Shin Megami Tensei

[mossy flume]

Dead Space preloading is live.

[chilly mural]

Dante, Vergil and Zero was a very popular team in Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3

[flint iron]

Yeh

[random steppe]

At any rate, I see not much difference with what is happening between Forspoken MC and Dante, with the difference is that Forspoken MC is just written worse, and the jokes massively don't land.

But I don't think that writing an asshole character, being arrogant and throwing quips, is a new phenomenon in gaming

[chilly mural]

Zero May Cry ain't something to fuck with

[random steppe]

It's just done badly in this case

[fresh bane]

Well I don't wanna go around in circles here I'm just gonna say that I massively disagree with your take on this

It's the first time I've ever heard this take in my life

[chilly mural]

agree to disagree

[flint iron]

Except I didn't have Dante in my team, I would have Dr.Doom, Strider or Wesker instead

Vergil was the cooler brother imo

[chilly mural]

were you running hidden missiles assist?

[flint iron]

Yeh

[thorny loom]

Its ironic EA is most competent at making remakes

Now we just need a dragon age trilogy collection

[fresh bane]

growing up is realizing Dante has always been the coolest .

[flint iron]

[chilly mural]

[fresh bane]

and while I'm at it I totally understand the modernization of DMC's aesthetics but I will totally miss the more gothic super stylish aesthetic of previous games

DMC1 Dante is still peak Dante

and I'm just gonna say it, DMC4 Nero actually looks kinda cool

[chilly mural]

the ghana movie adapation of devil may cry was best adaption of all time though

[slim thorn]

oh is the DS remake out already

argh everything's coming out faster than I can get to it

ah it's tomorrow

[slim thorn]

is there a longer form of this take you'd recommend checking out? e.g. the video chipmunks posted?

[fresh bane]

what do you mean?

[slim thorn]

like, more details

what did they actually change or add beyond shinier graphics and Isaac having some lines or whatever

[fresh bane]

well Suzi's video is right there

that's the one I watched

[slim thorn]

oh that is "Suzi"

[chilly mural]

ye

[gaunt marten]

And everything will still be there when you do

[fresh bane]

that is indeed Suzi the Sphere Hunter

the #1 survival horror capcom fangirl

[slim thorn]

hm

ok I've got ~10m left in this show, so that Suzi vid's up next because I'll likely want to start preloading DS after it

[thorny loom]

Lol https://www.pcgamer.com/hogwarts-legacy-will-have-more-than-100-sidequests-and-doesnt-care-if-you-cast-evil-spells/

Cant wait for the voldemort playthrough.

[slim thorn]

yeah we've known for a while that all three Unforgivable Curses can be used in combat, or ignored completely

[astral bolt]

Yeah but can I Avada Kedavra children for the perk?

[river veldt]

is Harry Potter in this game

[slim thorn]

no, it's set in the 1800s long before the HP books

[river veldt]

why

[slim thorn]

so... they can tell their own story?

[river veldt]

ok

[slim thorn]

this is extremely standard for good adaptations lol

[astral bolt]

So it's a slightly less racist setting?

[gaunt marten]

So they don't have to deal with J K Rowling's writing

[river veldt]

DAMN a one two punch

[astral bolt]

[slim thorn]

maybe less, maybe more, doubt we can judge until it's out

we know a major plot point is goblins rebelling against unfair treatment, again, so I'm sure everyone will have opinions on how that's handled

[river veldt]

[thorny loom]

Oh right goblins arnt evil in this

[gaunt marten]

The yellow goblin rebellion

[thorny loom]

Use to warhammer goblins

[gaunt marten]

The starting event for the romance of the four kingdoms

[thorny loom]

Oh gosh

[slim thorn]

(fwiw, I currently do not plan to buy or play the game because rule 2, but I want to stay informed on it because the conversation's going to be inescapable)

[thorny loom]

Ill probably buy it on sale

[river veldt]

will Yoda be in this game

[thorny loom]

If theirs mod support yes

[gaunt marten]

Yes. He will be reprising his role as dobby

[thorny loom]

Cant wait for the model swap mods for shrek

[slim thorn]

we know that house elves will be in the game, if that's what you're trying to ask

[thorny loom]

Dang elves

[river veldt]

it's a trick question, Yoda is a strong supporter of trans rights why would he be in this game

[thorny loom]

Where is the dawi

[astral bolt]

Gender, be not

[gaunt marten]

We know Yoda is actually played by Bingus

[thorny loom]

Yoda is too busy ODing on ketamine

[river veldt]

ok Yoda and Bingus do have similar vibes

[wind stump]

NEPGEAR NO-

[slim thorn]

"RE1-style fully interconnected backtrack-able world"

[mossy flume]

Reviews for DS are in. It’s solid.

Hype for horror.

[slim thorn]

ok fine I'm preloading it

I technically preordered a game for the first time ever

[wind stump]

I preloaded Persona 3 Portable

Which... oh yeah, I need to get back to the tomfuckery of "Deez Tiddies"

[fresh bane]

If only RE2 and RE3 had received the RE1R treatment as well

[fresh bane]

I forgot P3P was coming to PC

nice

I played the shit out of P3P as a kid but never finished the game

I probably should I remember really liking it

[fresh bane]

yeeeeah it's the same game but literally better

[slim thorn]

well I loved RE2 remake too, even if it's a bigger change

[fresh bane]

I liked it too RE2R is a good game

it's just not a good remake

[slim thorn]

(original RE2 had some pretty serious problems to be fixed, unlike RE1)

[fresh bane]

playing through RE3 now, man I'm so sad for RE3 fans who expected a good RE3R

it cuts so much content and it's just... an entirely different game

[river veldt]

is Resident Evil 2 the one with the scary man

[slim thorn]

you're probably referring to Mr X, who is in RE2

[fresh bane]

or Nemesis from RE3

[slim thorn]

there are many other scary men throughout the series though, like the original RE1 Tyrant, RE2's William Birkin / G creature, RE3's Nemesis, etc

[river veldt]

the one with the hat

[fresh bane]

.... or Bitores Mendez from RE4

[slim thorn]

the fedora is unique to RE2 Remake's version of Mr X

[fresh bane]

OG Mr X had no fedora yeah

[river veldt]

I think the chainsaw man is scarier than Mendez

[slim thorn]

also Mr X is one of the biggest og vs remake improvements

[fresh bane]

this was my Nemesis/Mr X as a kid

Improvements?

[slim thorn]

like he was good in the original RE2, but mostly he was a couple of scripted events

[fresh bane]

I actually find it to be a downgrade

Yeah exactly

[slim thorn]

in RE2 the whole gameplay experience changes when you get to the phase where he's constantly chasing you around

[river veldt]

frighteing

who would win Doomguy and Yoda vs Mr X

[fresh bane]

I actually played through RE2R like last year and Mr X was just kind of annoying to me

[slim thorn]

and it's sooooo satisfying to play hide and seek with him through the station just after you've finally learned how the station is layed out enough that you can play the "ok he's blocking that door but if I go this way and loop back around..." headgame

[fresh bane]

I also find it very weird that they switched Mr X and Nemesis' dynamics making Mr X the one that chases you all the time and Nemesis a scripted sequence all the time when it should be the other way around

Nemesis is the one that is constantly on your ass and does not let you rest for a second

[river veldt]

hold on let me google Nemesis

[slim thorn]

for anyone who's not clear on this, I have yet to play RE3 original or remake, so I can't say anything about Nemesis

[fresh bane]

I did get that feeling but for me it was less about fun and more about just ''ah he's right there, fine I'll go the other way, jesus''

[river veldt]

I think Mr X is scarier

[fresh bane]

It wasn't that much fun for me unfortunately

[river veldt]

why does he have such a stupid name

"Mr X"

why cant he be named like

Bill

or Charles

[slim thorn]

well I'm sure Tale had fun watching me go "now I just use this item upstairs and- NEVER MIND NEW PLAN" when I wasn't expecting him

[fresh bane]

I'm interested in hearing what you'll think when you eventually get to OG RE3 and RE3R

[river veldt]

"oh shit it's bill"

what's he got under that trenchcoat

fake watches???

[fresh bane]

fortunately I did know much of the layout well enough that during my playthrough Mr X was not a problem at all

but that's... kinda the point I guess, he wasn't scary to me, he was just an annoyance

Nemesis on the other hand..

[slim thorn]

eh, to each their own

[river veldt]

why doesnt he have the hat in the original game

[slim thorn]

for me it was the best thing ever

really I think RE1 remake and RE2 remake are equally good, just different

like Alien and Aliens

[river veldt]

WHERE CAN i watch Aliens do you know Ix

[fresh bane]

I think RE1R is a great game and a perfect remake, I think RE2R is a great game

[slim thorn]

[gaunt marten]

Maybe polygon limitations

[slim thorn]

just pirate it if you don't sub to a thing that has it

[river veldt]

yea ill just yarr it

[fresh bane]

It's not really a remake RE2 is more of a reimagination of the entirety of RE2 since so much changes from narrative to gameplay

for better and worse

[river veldt]

I think he looks better with the hat

[slim thorn]

eh, for me it was all better, but that gets into og re2's problems

[gaunt marten]

The playstation one's biggest limitation by far is that it can't draw complex models very well

[fresh bane]

I don't deny the old RE games having problems, I'm just disappointed they didn't do like RE1R and enhance and improve on those gameplay elements and instead decided to just start from the ground up

[river veldt]

do you guys remmeber when Badger from Breaking Bad called the people in Resident Evil 4 zombies

[slim thorn]

I mean I think that's exactly what they did

[gaunt marten]

Are they not zombies?

[river veldt]

i think technically they arent

[gaunt marten]

And if my grandma had wheels she'd be a bicycle

[fresh bane]

They are not zombies since they aren't undead

They're more like infected

[astral bolt]

Oh, in 4?

[gaunt marten]

You don't need to be undead to be a zombie

[fresh bane]

Well one of the first things Leon says in the game is they're not zombies

[slim thorn]

"zombie" means a lot of things

[fresh bane]

[gaunt marten]

See zombie ants, which are infected by a brain spore

[slim thorn]

the point of the breaking bad scene is that it's a silly argument over nothing

[astral bolt]

I'd say yeah, RE4 is closer to Last of Us than zombies for sure

[river veldt]

this is a zombie

[slim thorn]

in the context of the RE franchise, what Leon means is that they're not T-virus victims

[gaunt marten]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiocordyceps_unilateralis

[slim thorn]

which is true, but colloquial usage of "zombie" is far broader than that so who cares

[river veldt]

that's every Skinny Pete and Badger conversation

[gaunt marten]

This is a zombie

[astral bolt]

Sure, zombie has, after decades, become a really broad thing

But RE 1 through 3 used the same concept of zombie

[slim thorn]

did you miss the thing I said before Flitter's huge embed?

[astral bolt]

It would be disingenous to say that 4 are also zombies but with in-universe differences

[slim thorn]

I think this channel got way too fast for a few minutes

[astral bolt]

I don't see the issue or discrepancy

[gaunt marten]

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/fungus

[fresh bane]

A zombie in this specific context means what most people think it means which is an undead person and in the context of RE it's people infected by the T-Virus

RE4 is all regular humans infected by a parasite creature

[slim thorn]

yeah we're literally all saying the same thing

context got lost

[fresh bane]

We are, but just to make it very clear

[slim thorn]

now backing up a bit because I still have this in my clipboard from before we got interrupted

[river veldt]

zombie Doomguy

[slim thorn]

one of my strongest impressions from playing original RE2 was that they were trying to move in a more action-y direction after RE1, like what RE4 eventually was, but didn't update the controls/movement accordingly so that it was possible to consistently deal with faster enemies or more hectic encounters

in particular, the final bosses of og RE2 were just plain bad

[gaunt marten]

What the fuck. Doomguy can't be a zombie. He's the protagonist! He has plot immunity!

[slim thorn]

one of them I got genuinely stuck on and even Tale had no idea why I couldn't kill it and we had to look up walkthroughs

[river veldt]

it's just a skin!

[gaunt marten]

Fitting because he has no skins and his guts are spilling out

[slim thorn]

and the other was just impossible to dodge reliably so the best strategy was to stand still, facetank and grenade spam, which isn't very fun

RE2 remake switching to the over-the-shoulder RE4-style movement/aiming scheme helped soooooo much with this

[fresh bane]

I wonder how you'll feel when you get to RE3...

considering that, while I definitely feel like the movement and combat could definitely be improved, I also feel like RE3 managed to do what RE2 didn't based on what you're telling me

I don't think getting rid entirely of the gameplay system of the old games is a necessity

[slim thorn]

I am so curious about re3

[fresh bane]

You don't have to get completely rid of tank controls and fixed camera or the lock on and shoot type gameplay to make a satisfying action-y type gameplay for a survival horror

The over the shoulder is more of a style thing, I get it, new players don't like classic survival horror

[slim thorn]

you don't, but I don't think RE2 benefitted from that

even RE1 I don't think benefitted from every camera angle being fixed, half and half would've been fine, but it doesn't suffer either

[fresh bane]

I haven't played RE2 in a long time so I don't wanna say too much since you played it more recently, but playing through RE3 and having played through RE1R... I feel like you can make it work, totally

[slim thorn]

again, I'm not saying it's impossible to do this very specifically abstract thing you just described, only that RE2 definitely ain't it

[fresh bane]

But it goes a lot further than just the gameplay style, I don't like how RE2 and RE3 completely change everything, yes the same core spots and plot points are there but it's entirely changed and revamped completely

Oh no I'm not trying to defend RE2 at all

I'm sure it has loads of issues, just like RE1 had

[slim thorn]

(also I just don't get the obsession with fixed angles, I really don't lol)

[astral bolt]

It's not fun but the limitation furthers a narrative purpose more than a gameplay one

[fresh bane]

It's not an obsession, I mostly got very defensive over the years after so many people treat classic survival horror as an outdated system that no longer works and a lot of new survival horror or horror games completely dropped it

[slim thorn]

what does "classic survival horror" actually mean though?

[fresh bane]

It's not going to ruin my world, I liked RE2R, I just wish it was more like the original

Silent Hill, Dino Crisis, Resident Evil 1-3

[slim thorn]

because if that's code for "fixed camera angles", then it's definitely gone from a technical necessity to a stylistic choice, so it's natural and good that it's less common (though it shouldn't die out of course)

[astral bolt]

I love 4 and 7 but the remakes of the original ones feel more dramatic and sometimes scarier than either of them

[slim thorn]

I meant mechanically, just listing games doesn't clarify what that refers to

especially when RE2 was in between RE1 and RE4 on a lot of these aspects

[fresh bane]

Well Signalis is a pretty excellent case of a modern classic survival horror

and it's why I love it so much

[astral bolt]

RE2 is the weird child but still much closer to RE1 and RE3 than to 4 or 7

(Sorry but I don't know anything about 6 or 8 and I barely remember much of 5 besides punching rock)

[river veldt]

8 was cool

[fresh bane]

The fixed camera although in Signalis it's more of a birds eye view angle which is fine, the tank controls although Signalis also has 2D controls which are arguably better and that's fine, the point and shoot type of combat, the focus on solving puzzles and backtracking or exploring a giant area that you slowly uncover more of via acquiring items and solving puzzles

[astral bolt]

YOU WILL GIVE ME AN EGG

[fresh bane]

Even something as simple as a camera change can change so much

Because the camera is in third person there's less control over certain scripted sequences or scares like the infamous Licker window scene in the original RE2, there's much less focus on the iconic tunes and music since the music is now more atmospheric than anything, it's just this faint sound somewhat resembling the old soundtrack and that's because you have to be more aware of your surroundings and noises in a third person perspective

There's of course going to be a lot more focus on the gunplay with limbs that fall off and different effects if you target different limbs

That was also a thing in the original RE games although you had to manually aim up or down and you had to wait for the zombie to get close to you, so it was a huge gamble

[slim thorn]

aaaah too much typing too fast to respond

[astral bolt]

Like I said it's a narrative choice not a gameplay one, there's not a tangible reason to point to. Having control of the way the player looks at certain scenes or rooms simply benefits the director and the writers, not the player

[fresh bane]

I 'm not entirely sure what you mean by that

[slim thorn]

ok, I do agree that point-and-shoot combat, levels designed with backtracking in mind, and puzzle solving to unlock more areas, are not "outdated" in any way, but I also don't think that's what people mean (after all point-and-shoot remains standard in the modern action-y horror games, and the other 2 are standard in other genres like Metroidvanias)

but I think when people allude to the older survival horror games being outdated, they're mostly talking about 100% fixed camera angles, tank controls, and perhaps the draconian inventory limitations, which I do believe are much more questionable and rightly less common these days

[fresh bane]

Okay, so improve upon that, you know? Don't change it, DIno Crisis and Silent Hill already improved upon those things in the 90s

Fully 3d modeled maps, the camera is no longer fixed entirely to a singular point, it can move with the player, do that!

[slim thorn]

personally I haven't made up my mind on how I feel about tank controls in general, other than it works much better in RE1/0/some of 2 than it does in RE4/Dead Space/later parts of RE2

[fresh bane]

There's so much room for creativity and fun to be had with a fully movable camera while still adhering to the classic survival horror gameplay style

A camera can do so much, it can give you extra information or it can set up a scare or simply be good for atmosphere or have a nice cinematic angle like the infamous angle in the alley in SH1

[astral bolt]

I think the draconian inventory system and the item crafting, which must be pointed out was almost new, is like 60% of the "outdated" view. And it's why it's much more lenient in the remakes. The fixed camera angles are not really that bad but they're not objectively good, they just tilt the scales one way while loosening something else.

[fresh bane]

It's difficult for me to talk about because I do like RE2R and I know I sound like I hate it but I don't

[astral bolt]

And controls got better, so that's a non-starter

[fresh bane]

I don't think tank controls are a necessity, even RE1R had 2D controls

Some people find those much easier to have, that's completely fine

[astral bolt]

Yeah for sure, controls are a pure benefit here

[slim thorn]

to be clear, I said "100% fixed" for a reason; I don't think anyone objects to the camera being occasionally fixed during specific moments that are designed around it, like SH2 did (and arguably every game with cutscenes)

[fresh bane]

I wish RE1R had a movable camera but for whatever reason RE1R still has prerendered backgrounds with ultra fixed camera angles, that's also okay

[slim thorn]

yeah, like I said I don't think RE1 remake suffers from 100% fixed angles, that one's fine either way

[astral bolt]

Yeah, and that's why by RE3 already there were segments with a very loose camera. Not free but best they could do. But later gamer completely ditched the fixed camera. It was literally gone for like 4 games.

[slim thorn]

it does create some odd gameplay when you use auto-aim to detect enemies you can't see, but once you're aware of that it worked fine and I never felt like I took a cheap hit solely because of where the camera was placed

[fresh bane]

Are there? I'm playing through RE3 right now and I don't remember segments with a movable camera

[astral bolt]

The mix was always the solution but I guess you can't fault them for taking a decade to figure it out

But you can fault them for RE6, for sure

[fresh bane]

The reason why it was completely gone is because even by RE3 the games were already taking a more action-y approach, I feel like while there's still a lot of room for improvement for RE3, at the time, it was pretty well done and I feel like it's the best controls in the entire original three games

four if you count RE0

RE1R is still good but it's much slower in comparison, which is fine too

[slim thorn]

right, I only fault it in og re2 because in that game there are a few times when the enemies move fast enough that not being able to consistently see them ruins the fight; that just wasn't an issue in re1

[astral bolt]

Yeah it's a mix of thinking it was outdated and also trying to do something different.

[fresh bane]

by RE4 there was already a lot of focus on action games at the time on the market, so it's no wonder they pioneered the OTS perspective in shooters

But RE4 was not a survival horror, not in the traditional sense anyways

RE4 was more of a horror action shooter, so we have to keep that important fact in mind

RE4 was completely linear with next to no puzzle solving and pure combat, sure it was scary, well at least to me as a kid, but it wasn't a survival horror anymore

[astral bolt]

In the end this is exactly why time proved RE4 right. When it launched it was loathed but over time people realised how much it good it was doing even if it would take years to pay off

[slim thorn]

it was loathed? RE4 was the first one I played because everyone went bananas for it

[astral bolt]

When it was announced and launched, for sure

I remember the pile of horrible reviews

[fresh bane]

At the same time I also understand the people who say RE4 ruined the franchise, not because it was bad, but due to the effects and ripples it caused in and outside the RE franchise

ripples that culminated in RE5 and RE6

[slim thorn]

weird, I saw nothing but glowing reviews

also I should say that RE4 had puzzle solving

[fresh bane]

and I'm guessing that RE2 and RE3 also took notes from RE4

[slim thorn]

it was mostly linear, but not lacking in puzzles

[fresh bane]

I did say next to none, there are, but not a whole lot

especially in comparison to the original three games

[slim thorn]

it felt like about the same frequency as RE1/2 to me

[fresh bane]

Nah I wouldn't say so

[astral bolt]

5 and then 6 definitely helped people to look at 4 on a kinder note, but even objectively it's just the first step to the REs that fuse the best of modern and old horror action games

[fresh bane]

In RE1 I was almost constantly drowning in puzzle related items every trip I went back and from the item box, in RE4 you only casually come across 'puzzles' and most of the times it's something like items that are in the exact same room you are in like the bridge where you have to get like 3 pieces and you open the door for example

or the light puzzle in the church, just very very simple quick stuff and super linear

[slim thorn]

oh you're talking about the carry items around the map kind of "puzzle"

[river veldt]

you thought the light puzzle was simple??? it took me like half an hour to figure it out

[slim thorn]

then yes that's super rare in re4

I meant, well, actual puzzle puzzles

not rub blue key on blue door

[fresh bane]

Yeah of course, I mean I'm also talking about solving puzzles in a room but like I said the extent of those are like the light puzzle in the church and that one door where you gotta spin the thing to open the door

and... like what, 1 more?

[fresh bane]

I do think Re7 was pretty neat

it kinda fell off near the middle to the end and RE8 is overall a much better game

but RE7 was a great first note for the new RE games

[slim thorn]

I suppose there's also a what do words mean question about things like having to figure out which levers to pull or objects to shoot to get out of certain rooms alive, which you're probably also excluding

anyway, what mattered to me is that there were plenty of times RE4 broke up the combat sequences with something other than combat

[fresh bane]

Well like I said there are some puzzles, but they're not only less frequent than other RE games but they're also much less elaborate and complex

overall it's a much more linear experience due to the more action shooter focus of RE4

[slim thorn]

it has been too long since I played it to compare puzzle elaborateness, although the RE1-2 puzzles are also about as simple as they could be so I'm honestly skeptical

guess we'll see with the remake

my standards may also be skewed because I'm the type of person that occasionally plays Myst, Quern, Obduction, etc which the average gamer would probably find ridiculously overhard for puzzle difficulty

[fresh bane]

now see I'm gonna be much less harsh on RE4R because RE4 is already not a super traditional survival horror

so there's literally only gonna be improvements

Well yes you have to take into consideration a lot of puzzles will be super easy for us

I found a lot of puzzles to be insanely easy while playing RE2R, RE1R and RE3

but that's because I either already knew or I had already played other similar games

[slim thorn]

they're also not meant to be hard anyway

[gaunt marten]

https://i.imgur.com/puFqIzU.png guess the new Dead Space is out

[slim thorn]

they're meant to break up the exploration/combat loop

(include original RE2 in there, if anything the remake added more puzzles, like the combination locks on Leon's desk, but they're all still simple)

probably a more useful contrast here is Silent Hill 2's puzzles

not only does it have a separate puzzle difficulty option, but it's normal difficulty puzzles took significantly more effort than the ones in RE1/2/4

[fresh bane]

well yes Silent Hill is a much less combat focused franchise

which is why I always hated the OTS/third person switch

It's not a franchise that benefits at all from a third person perspective

[slim thorn]

which is exactly how it should be because Silent Hill 2 is a much slower, more thoughtful game; you do need to conserve resources but you're basically never trying to solve these puzzles while ten zombies are lurching towards you much less evading Mr X

the re2re Leon desk locks took me a while only because I kept trying not to waste ammo on the zombies there and had to run away before I found the last name lol

[fresh bane]

right, that room is especially hard on RE3 because there's like 3-4 zombies

...though I am playing on Hard

because the game won't let me choose normal

The good thing is that time stops when solving puzzles or examining items

the bad thing is as soon as you solve the thing you now have to figure out how you're going to get out of there

[slim thorn]

insta-healing mid-fight often feels amusingly unrealistic but we're all glad it's an option

right, and a perfect example of that is the re2re armory

[fresh bane]

wish you could reload in the menus

[slim thorn]

once you get one of the keys it's hardly even a puzzle that you need to go there, attach it and enter certain numbers to open up stuff you couldn't before

but there's gonna be enemies in or around that room to evade as you do it

several times I had to hide in there and wait for a licker or Mr X to pass by

which was great

or lure them in and circle around

[fresh bane]

See I never had much of a problem because I'm a hoarder so with the lickers I just incinerated them alive with grenades and as for Mr X I just always managed to avoid him

the one zombie there does give you some trouble unless you get a lucky crit headshot and blow his brains out

[slim thorn]

I also skew heavily toward hoarder

I really did kill lickers whenever I had the spare shotgun or grenade ammo to do so and I thought I'd be returning to that room

with the big exception of remake Leon because omg they just don't die

[visual hill]

I'm a Hoarder Anonymous when it comes to inventory management

that, and Reloader Anonymous in shooters

definitely habits I need to lose 🙂