Stealth is a core mechanic of Sekiro, from what I have heard. If you aren't using it judiciously, you're making it a bit harder on yourself.
#general gaming
astral field
slim thorn
guys, I played the game, I know how stealth works
random steppe
Yeah that was my logic as well, there are places in which you can't use it, so if they give you option, they mean that encounter to be faced using that tool as well, was my reasoning at the time.
astral field
I haven't, just going off what I have seen and what I heard from my boyfriend when he played.
random steppe
And contrary to popular belief, I don't usually try to make Souls games harder on myself
slim thorn
right, but you clearly have some raw skill that I don't
random steppe
I mean, maybe, I probably more than anything else just played more souls games.
You clearly are better than me in metroidvania games given how farther you were able to go in Blasphemous so it's definitely not a raw reflexes things
astral field
I like to use sorceries in pvp and have since DS2. You have to get really good at dodging when you do that, just through sheer repetition. My reflexes aren't great, it is mostly learning how attack patterns work.
slim thorn
I'm aware: ^
astral field
It is a tedious process. Lots of screwing up and dying, which often isn't fun.
random steppe
I enjoy the learning process in souls, which might just be the difference
astral field
I got hooked on the atmosphere of DS1 way back when, just from watching YouTube videos about it. It was so different than most fantasy games that I was willing to put up with the difficult, unforgiving gameplay to explore that world.
slim thorn
when I get to the learning process, it's fun while it lasts, a lot of the problem here is wasting so much time repeating encounters I'm already fine at that no learning is actually happening, which is why I was hoping for something like a save state hack
astral field
Is it possible to run past the enemies or will they join the boss fight if you do that?
slim thorn
also the first two minibosses were fine because they were right after a save point
random steppe
It's also unique to souls games for me, maybe because they are known to be difficult, I don't usually feel bad when I fail.
It's kind of expected so I feel free from judgment when I get faceplanted by a wardrobe sized dude, wearing armor and a small car for a sword
slim thorn
no, this area is specifically designed so that simply isn't an option
you really do need to kill the regular enemies, either before or during the miniboss fight
astral field
Yuck. DS2 had an area like that. It was annoying.
slim thorn
(I assume "during" is the pro showoff strat)
again, I don't mind failing and having to retry
what I mind is a death loop where I'm mostly repeating stuff I've already done and am not learning anything about what's killing me
astral field
I wish you luck. I have not played Sekiro, but I remember my boyfriend having a rough time of it. He enjoyed the game overall, but there were some fights he definitely hated.
slim thorn
oh, to be clear, I've already called it in
I've done something like 10-20 attempts on this guy, stopped having fun by 4-5, and I'm literally getting worse at it
so short of a mod that lets me actually practice the boss instead of his mooks, this is clearly not happening
compact orchid
stuck on the ogre?
if you use the bell from the old woman to go to the hirata estate, theres a flame barrel shinobi tool you can get there
and the ogre is super weak to fire
plus its something different to do in the meantime while youre stuck
wind stump
Da Ze
slim thorn
if you use the bell from the old woman to go to the hirata estate, theres a flam...
derp, cashing in the bell was on my todo list but I fought the ogre first 
doubt that helps much against where I got stuck
fresh bane
man, I don't know if it's because this is the remastered version of GOW3 but holy hell does this game still kinda hold up and the facial animations are extremely well done
yeah sure he can look goofy but that's pure rage right there
||https://youtu.be/Ym3LilcB02Q ||
also did you guys know ProZD voiced|| Ratatoskr|| in Ragnarok?
river veldt
Yea he's cute
quiet swift
ding!
visual hill
man, I don't know if it's because this is the remastered version of GOW3 but hol...
"This is sparta!!1"
quiet swift
https://www.twitch.tv/tchernobogg streaming little inferno, including the new xmas dlc
slim thorn
btw, I tried it again and finally won this time
then I died to the horse guy 
so Gen was close
random steppe
I have no idea how strong horse dude is, because the 1st playthrough it was the 2nd real boss I fought, or 3rd, depending how you count them
I would argue 2nd
And difficulty wise he is definitely supposed the be the 1st
So I was overpwered and the other boss gave me a parry crash course after I tried to kill it for probably 3-4 hours
So I just walked up to him and one shot him
slim thorn
I think my parry timing is okay-ish, but I'm running out of stamina so often that parries often "stop working" before the boss even finishes an attack combo
random steppe
With one shot him I don't mean I killed him with one hit, just on the 1st try
To be clear
slim thorn
granted I only tried the horse once before going "ok I'm good for tonight 
"
random steppe
As a sidenote, you can theorically parry even with no stamina
slim thorn
but from that first glance it definitely felt like I was way underleveled
random steppe
On a perfect parry your guard can't be broken
slim thorn
whereas the third mini-boss felt like I would've had no trouble if not for all the mooks I had to keep re-killing every attempt
how perfect is perfect?
random steppe
So if you have a perfect timing you have theorically infinite staina to parry
Pretty hard to get
slim thorn
right, so for a player like me the mechanic may as well not exist
random steppe
But if you are in a situation which is either try to parry or a desperate dodge that will probably fail, it's worth a shot
Also even if it's broken, you don't get damaged on the hit that breaks it
You get stunned but if that's the last hit of the combo, you might recover before you actually get hit
slim thorn
that part I knew already (or rather, I never considered the alternative)
oh, and the third mini-boss was constantly breaking my parry with his final/strong attacks but he couldn't capitalize on it
random steppe
Oh also a mechanich that's not obvious
And that goes for both you and the enemies
The stamina recovers faster the more health you have
slim thorn
random steppe
It gets told to you, I don't remember in which setting, it might be a loading screen tip
Are those even in the game?
slim thorn
in theory I'm reading every pop-up message, but annoyingly Fromsoft is one of those Japanese devs (why is it always Japanese games that do this?) where over half the tutorial text is redundantly re-explaining very obvious things to the point that the useful information is downright obfuscated, so I've definitely missed stuff
random steppe
It's good to know because sometimes you have the option to try to damage the enemy or try to wait for it to attack for a parry, but if the boss is still full hp the stamina damage they take from you parrying is very temporary, so it might be better to try to get at least some wounds in before focusing on the stamina damage.
slim thorn
I see
random steppe
It's not linear either, generally even a few hits in, them getting under 90-80% would slow their stamina regen a lot
slim thorn
I remember thinking with the 2nd and 3rd minibosses that stamina damage built up on them slowly enough that it wasn't worth the risk of trying to press the attack, and safely doing chip damage was a better plan (especially the 2nd, since most of his attacks are unparryable anyway)
I think part of the reason I finally beat the 3rd was that I kinda stopped trying to learn the boss properly and instead did a bunch of paranoid bunny hopping with occasionally dipping in for chip damage when I was really sure he'd stay still
random steppe
I like to be aggressive because it lets you control the fight more, when enemy block your attacks, sometimes they do a perfect parry (which is a different sound a bigger spark on the blade crossing) and try to counterattack
I found memorizing the timing on the counterattacks a good way to get good parries in.
Muscle memory wise
slim thorn
there are a lot of games where that applies to me
but that assumes being aggressive does translate to control, which just isn't how this game works at my skill level
random steppe
You probably will have to plant your face aginst the wall a few times to get the timing, but Sekiro is definitely the game that gives you the most power in a fight
Maybe it's because of the parry system and how robust you can be with good timing
slim thorn
yeah, when I can get a game's parry system to really click with my muscle memory it feels amazing
but usually it's just not that reliable for me; I can only assume either the timing is too tight for my reflexes or my understanding of the cues too subtly incorrect
random steppe
I never felt in a soul that I had the upper hand on a boss fight, unless I was hilariously overpowered, in Sekiro it definitely happens once you "learn" it.
slim thorn
even with e.g. Blasphemous whether I could get it varied from boss to boss and attack to attack so I'd sorta just try parrying everything a couple times and only keep trying if it "seemed to work"
random steppe
Sekiro is also more lenient that you may realise, there is very little punishing for spamming the parry button, it recovers really fast
slim thorn
well, spamming it does narrow the parry timing
random steppe
Kinda helps with learning
slim thorn
but I am aware that rapid-fire parrying is intended, since we've already had mini-bosses do rapid-fire attacks that were all parryable
though I'm still trying to time those rather than mash the button
random steppe
The learning curve is that if no attack is coming you should probably not be spamming parry but cutting some new holes in the dude
But yeah, there isn't a big punish for a missed parry unless the attack is coming right that moment
slim thorn
see that's the attitude I can never allow myself to fall into because it invariably gets me killed in <10 seconds lol
in a game like this where nearly everything is a 1-2 hit kill, attacking is simply not an option until I've learned which attacks leave the boss open the longest
random steppe
Oh yeah, it's not something that comes naturally the 1st time you fight a new enemy for sure
As I said, my experience has been weird, I fought 1st a boss that was supposed to be either 2nd or 3rd, but the good thing about that fight, is that it's really hard, especially with base damage, and also has almost no run back to it, so I could brute force out some of my souls habit by fighting it a bunch
And incidentally, it's also a fight that really cements that being aggressive pays off
slim thorn
lol, I look up the name of the horse guy and immediately I see "useful equipment: <thing I don't have>"
exactly what I was afraid of
actually while you're here I really should ask
of the 50 random items I keep picking up, what's actually useful?
because this is another one of the ways DS1 managed to obscure critical information that in a normal game I would've easily figured out on my own; item overload to the point that I can't be bothered testing them all
random steppe
Everything have some use, while a lot of it foundamental
I redownloaded the game, lemme check if there is something I want to highlight, most of the stuff does what's on the tin
slim thorn
and that's the "answer" I was afraid of
for the record, I did test a handful of them, but (as is so often the case in games with consumable items like this) either couldn't get them to do anything at all (ceramic shard), or the effect was so minor I couldn't come up with a practical use for them (fistful of ash)
and it's hardly practical or fun to start every boss fight with a "does this item do anything?" checklist
anyway
fortunately horse guy doesn't have an entourage to re-kill every attempt
so I can probably give that a fair try tomorrow
after a sidequest, now that the wiki's told me I'm missing something important
random steppe
The ceramic shard is just used to pull an enemy from far away
They hear it shattering and they go check what did the noise
So you can do the murdering in peace
IIRC
slim thorn
that was also my understanding from reading the description, but when I tried throwing a bunch they got no reaction at all
random steppe
Of the sugars, if you find the green one (the gachin sugar) it's IMO the most useful of the bunch
slim thorn
see this is exactly what I mean about the in-game information being bad
random steppe
It basically makes you next to invisible
slim thorn
I do remember that item going by
random steppe
To be fair, it's not that obvious but trying to targeting an enemy before pressing the button isn't exactly a unimaginable concept
slim thorn
don't think I've found a reason to use it yet
sure, I get that you could've maybe discovered that by accident, but it's just as easy to do what I did and throw it right at the enemy's feet and conclude the thing doesn't work when nothing happens
random steppe
Speaking of 2nd playthough tricks, you can get a sneak first attack on the ogre by using a green sugar, then pressing yourself against the place in which he is tied to
As I said, I have zero honor in sekiro
slim thorn
especially when distraction throwables in every other stealth game I've ever played are typically thrown at the place you want to be investigated, not at the enemy
(usually throwing stuff right at them just gets you insta-spotted)
random steppe
Not the most obvious thing as i said, but also, hardly something that is beyond human imagination to try
Even not by accident
slim thorn
if figuring out that one item had been a primary goal of mine, I'd probably have landed on it eventually
but that's not the game we're talking about
I was just trying to get a straight answer to which of the dozens of items cluttering my inventory are worth devoting brainpower to, and which are a waste of my time
because it's never "all of them", no game with this many items actually works like that
random steppe
The items stay surprisingly effective through the game, like, for example, the fistful of ash stuns humanoid bosses and lategame enemies as well.
And the buffs from the candies are okay, nothing special, so it's hard to tell which items you'd find useful
I didn't use them a lot, I focused on a few shinobi tools I found fun, but they have a use if you want to employ them
The candy is an highlight because being invisible, in a game with a stealth system that allows you to oneshot enemies, is as it turns out, pretty strong
Unbelivable I know
dire gate
uneven epoch
slams that truck freak button to the ground
river veldt
Me too lmao
dense crypt
i think everyone would pick that tbh
uneven epoch
please make sure to fill in one of the objectively correct options in the food field
river veldt
OH FUCK
dense crypt
"i eat pain"
river veldt
I PUT IN MY ACTUAL FAVOURITE FOOD
uneven epoch
f
river veldt
Unsubscribed so I can do it properly
uneven epoch
wheeze
dire gate
gaunt marten
chilly mural
is this game as glitchy as enter the dragonfly?
gaunt marten
The classic Spyro trilogy is made by Insomniac, which are pretty good
dapper cedar
is this game as glitchy as enter the dragonfly?
Far less glitchy, plays a bit different but a much better game than Dragonfly
river veldt
astral field
#GuessTheGame #190
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||I googled the quote and that basically gave me the answer. That is much less fun than just trying to guess. Won't be doing that again.||
craggy vine
grim stirrup
gaunt marten
#GuessTheGame #190
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quiet swift
#GuessTheGame #190
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I am ashamed I didn't get it the first try, it's my favorite game of all time. Can you ever forgive me, ||Bone Wagon?||
dire gate
I think it's one of the cases where if you know the game it's quite obvious but if you're not very familiar with it you'll never guess
quiet swift
I see there's a link there where you can suggest games... I am debating sending a couple 
craggy vine
I see there's a link there where you can suggest games... I am debating sending ...
Do it
slim thorn
grim stirrup
#GuessTheGame #190
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I am ashamed I didn't get it the first tr...
i was close to getting it the first time but something urged me to put ||deponia|| even though its a completly different art style
gaunt marten
Honestly image 2 was deeply evocative of Heart of Darkness
random steppe
IDK why, I played it like twice at someone's house, but I keep putting ||heart of darkness|| as a guess in a lot of games, even when it's wrong.
quiet swift
First pic was so zoomed in, I couldn't really tell anything other than it is a ||car|| but it could've been from anywhere. Second pic, is supposed to be a "little less difficult" to guess compared to first but anyone who has played that game or as much as I have will instantly recognize it. Heck, pics 3-4 were harder
grim stirrup
if heart of darkness ever comes up i'm probably gonna burn like 2-3 geusses on oddworld
grim stirrup
First pic was so zoomed in, I couldn't really tell anything other than it is a |...
day 61 was roughly the same ~~since i'm currently going through them, almost done 
~~ the first pic is generic, the second is the plaza you spend the first few hours of the game in
all done
quiet swift
grim stirrup
due to a dumb quiz i make, i spend far to long looking at far to many different games
gaunt marten
IDK why, I played it like twice at someone's house, but I keep putting ||heart o...
It's a very unique game.
steady skiff
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1326470/Sons_Of_The_Forest/
Oh well, I wish they haven't it delayed to February 2023, but it actually it's gonna be better than, because it'll be less bugfree I think
rough sleet
rough sleet
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1326470/Sons_Of_The_Forest/
Oh well, I wish t...
wait, I didn't know they are doing next forest game
thanks for the information
grave tide
RED SUN OVER PARADISE
grave tide
I forgot last secret fight
I lost 3 hours of my life for nothing
And this chapter was last with secret fights
arctic fern
#GuessTheGame #190
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https://GuessThe.Game/
sometimes you just know the game, sometimes you just dont know it. it feels great when you can just recognize a game based on its unique style but then you get games that you've just never heard of or are so damn generic its impossible
quiet swift
Nice. It's my favorite game of all time and I feel ashamed i wasn't able to recognize the ||car||. The next screenshot is just beyond obvious though
quiet swift
https://tenor.com/view/mlp-my-little-pony-twilight-sparkle-alicorn-cry-gif-23964...
The gif stopped on a big pout face 
weak river
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
Now do it with the wooden sword
grave tide
Now do it with the wooden sword
I saw 1 dude took S rank on this chapter with wooden sword, he spent 3, 4? days for this
I don't want to repeat this
I will better try finish Sam DLC on S rank
Especially fucking Armstrong on extreme drugs
I know that difficulty on Sam DLS skyrocket, but not like this 
dense crypt
https://tenor.com/view/mlp-my-little-pony-twilight-sparkle-alicorn-cry-gif-23964...
Yo what is THIS from?
thorny loom
Yo what is THIS from?
the mlp movie
dense crypt
Dang, it looks good
grave tide
My 2nd favourite chapter in this run
Enough for me for today
My hands are tired
Too much blocked for today
quiet swift
Yay, suggestion submitted to guessthegame. Now to see if it gets selected 
weak river
Yay, suggestion submitted to guessthegame. Now to see if it gets selected <a:ppi...
Can you tell us what it was ahead of time so that way we have an unfair advantage
quiet swift
quiet swift
I think that's already been there
wind stump
i bought a knife in 18.5
also unlocked a third starting slot so I can start runs stronger than ever
visual hill
https://www.indiegamebundles.com/list-of-free-pc-games-november-19th-2022/?amp
thanks for the Splinter Cell tip 
quiet swift
quiet swift
#GuessTheGame #191
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river veldt
They are ahead
fresh bane
it's really interesting to see all the elements from original god of war they brought back for the new ones
river veldt
What did Persephone do I can't remember
thorny loom
What did Persephone do I can't remember
wife of hades she tried to end world cause she hated herself
fresh bane
the shield in this one is one of them but also the narrative elements of Kratos trying to free himself from what he perceives himself to be, a monster, as well as Kratos' roots of his distrust towards Olympians and Gods in general due to all the betrayal from their part
river veldt
O
thorny loom
kratos kills her and it explains atlas holding up the world
fresh bane
Persephone allowed Kratos to reunite with his daughter if he gave all his power away so he could cleanse his soul, but she took that chance to free Atlas and pretty much try to destroy the entire world, so Kratos had to choose between letting everything die or abandon his daughter
thorny loom
^ the long version
fresh bane
Either way he doesn't win, either everything dies, including his daughter, or he has to forsake his daughter forever and abandon her once again
river veldt
Kratos killing all the Greek gods makes sense because in actual Greek mythology they were all dicks (except for my main man Dionysus), but most Norse gods were actually pretty chill comparatively
thorny loom
Aphrodite is the only one that lives lol
thorny loom
yeah shes the only one never killed by kratos
because the devs used her as the NSFW minigame the original trilogy had
river veldt
o
fresh bane
2deep4me
oh this also plays into the whole narrative arc of prophecies and destiny in GOW 4 and Ragnarök
thorny loom
also as stated yeah you really dont feel sorry for greek gods by the end
fresh bane
because the devs used her as the NSFW minigame the original trilogy had
she gets nsfw preference I suppose
though saying ''Kratos didn't kill her'' is not saying much
river veldt
Even Dionysus??????
fresh bane
I don't think Aphrodite survived anyways
river veldt
I like how there's a lore explanation for Kratos losing his powers between GoW 3 and 2018
Spoilers for Ragnarok I guess
fresh bane
I love how Kratos is like ''I don't have time for your games Aphrodite'' but then she starts rolling around in the bed and he's like
river veldt
Is Christopher Judge also Kratos' voice actor in the first 3?
fresh bane
Nope
river veldt
Aw
thorny loom
The original trilogy also had a very different original ending planned
river veldt
What was originally supposed to happen
thorny loom
kratos a norse and egyptian themed kratos were suppose to go east to be the 3 three wise men from the bible.
representing the death of polytheism
theirs refrences to it in GOW2 but it was changed cause it really didnt fit the theme of the story
fresh bane
lol that's kinda silly
but I'm hoping they'll keep it for future games
maybe after we're done with the Norse pantheon we can move on to the Egyptian ones
I mean since we already are in the Norse part of the world
thorny loom
The devs said ragnarok was the end of norse saga a while back because they didnt want a trilogy to take 10 years to finish
so will likely get a new pantheon next GOW saga
river veldt
lol that's kinda silly
I feel completely differently and think it's awesome lol
fresh bane
Mmmm that's slightly disappointing since I feel like there's more to explore from the Norse gods, I felt like Ragnarok didn't quite explore all of norse mythology to its fullest, but I honestly understand them wanting to play around with different ideas and not take like a full generation of games to get to the next game
maybe we'll go on some roadtrips with Tyr
get in some trouble with other pantheons and gods
bash some skulls in, who knows
river veldt
Note to self: Tyr lives
chilly mural
river veldt
thorny loom
i wouldnt mind them doing a prequel series where kratos goes to egypt first to escape greece
river veldt
Theres so many mythologies they could do
fresh bane
I mean... I assume the place were norse gods are is literally in the opposite direction to Egypt
I still don't know how that even works
But there are apparently some details from between gow 3 and gow 4
river veldt
Yeah
thorny loom
river veldt
And he met Shovel Knight on the way
fresh bane
Yeah I think in the novels they say he pretty much just... walked
cursed to walk the earth forever
river veldt
I'm having a tough time thinking of mythologies cuz they already did Greek and Norse and those are my favourites
thorny loom
Egypt is the easiest
fresh bane
Oh yeah Kratos battled a hippo in his journeys
I mean Egyptian gods or Japanese gods are easily the best next choices
river veldt
I was also thinking Hinduism could be cool
fresh bane
I guess I just don't know what else they're gonna do with Kratos anymore
I mean they could easily end it here 
fresh bane
NO SPOILERS
Mario shows up at the end and wins
weak river
Mario shows up at the end and wins
I knew it
What a guy
river veldt
:0
fresh bane
thorny loom
and have him trying to move on but every place he settles down the gods of that area have heard what he did and cause problems for him,
fresh bane
I guess that would work... but I wouldn't want more prequels
chilly mural
After seeing so much sm64 content, that specific model of mario is like a complete different entity for me
fresh bane
it's really charming to me
fresh bane
pog
thorny loom
$16 doom eternal complete https://www.fanatical.com/en/game/doom-eternal-deluxe-edition
fresh bane
this would've been very useful back when I bought the game for nearly full price... 
river veldt
Lmao
gaunt marten
You never have to buy games at full price
They will either discount the game enough or other games will have my money
river veldt
$16 doom eternal complete https://www.fanatical.com/en/game/doom-eternal-deluxe-...
Wait this comes with TAG 1 and 2 as well?
river veldt
Holy shit $16 is a steal
fresh bane
it also includes some neat skins and some other things
even if this was the standard eternal, 16 is a steal and a no-brainer purchase for me
weak river
All for $16?
Dang.
river veldt
classic weapon sound pack
This still isn't on Switch
gaunt marten
It's sixteen dollars on Steam too for my region
Probably gonna wait for a better sale
hasty patio
https://isthereanydeal.com/game/doometernaldeluxeedition/info/ It's 78% off and that is nearly the highest it has had.
gaunt marten
Yes but it could be cheaper
I'm willing to buy it at ten dollars for the whole bundle
fair zephyr
I've been having tons of fun with ULTRAKILL lately.
fresh bane
Oh god I came back to DMC5 after a bit and I am actually eating shit
damn
I'm rusty
playing this game on a keyboard is also gonna make me develop carpal tunnel I'm sure
I need to buy a controller next time I do commissions
visual hill
All for $16?
Dang.
I've seen it around €16 two or three times now, even a few months ago. It's tempting to buy at this price but I can wait a bit more
I just bought F.E.A.R. (thanks Civvie) and have to play that first 😛
hasty patio
There is no FEAR 3. /s
quiet swift
I just bought F.E.A.R. (thanks Civvie) and have to play that first 😛
Tell me what you think! I played those ages ago when they first came out
rough sleet
craggy vine
gaunt marten
A lot of people here haven't played the supposed best videogame of all time
Including me
gaunt marten
#GuessTheGame #191
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Here's my score, by the way
slim thorn
I’ve only played one installment of that franchise once, so I guessed the wrong one for #2, then #3 was of something I don’t remember at all which made me think I had the wrong franchise, so I finally got it on #4
static bluff
I couldn't guess it.
wind stump
same
gaunt marten
Every year someone comes in here and says "If you guys haven't played this game please do."
And every year everyone ignores them because the of the game's age and genre
Time for a new achievement run on Europa Universalis 4
To become the Holy Roman Emperor, I think I'll play as Bohemia, which has a mission tree that places it in a very unique position poised to steal the HRE from Austria
river veldt
I got all red on todays GTG
river veldt
I've heard of it before but never seen any gameplay or played it
gaunt marten
Same
compact orchid
Time for a new achievement run on Europa Universalis 4
If you want any advice or tips just hmu, I'm at about 1500 hours 🤙
Also I just love talking about eu4 with someone who actually plays it
compact orchid
Just talking overall, not specific to this achievement
You can do it I believe in you
grim stirrup
Every year someone comes in here and says "If you guys haven't played this game ...
but hear me out insert game here is just that goated
grave tide
🎵 THERE WILL BE BLOODSHED
MAN IN THE MIRROR NODS HIS HEAD
THE ONLY ONE LEFT
Will ride upon the dragon's back
Because the mountains don't give back what they take
Oh no THERE WILL BE BLOODSHED
It's the only thing I've ever known 🎵
fresh bane
you've become lightning, the rain transformed
dense crypt
Not a typical one, doesnt care about lining your own pockets and approval ratings.
fresh bane
and you don't write your own speeches
grave tide
fresh bane
I'm gonna commit the ultimate act of heresy and play DMC5 with MGR soundtrack in the background
thorny loom
fresh bane
holy fucking shit lmao
fuck off nintendo
man Dante Must Die doesn't fuck around huh
look at those ranks
I need to replay these missions
fresh bane
lmao I love how this demon is scripted to scare off Trish but if you fight it she just goes ''alright then''
Lady just watchin from afar 
grave tide
I am trying to decide how much masochist am I
I really want make S rank Sam DLC on Revegance
But i will spend for this minimum 10 hours
grim stirrup
fresh bane
||https://youtu.be/zDiv8JuAOs8 ||
god of war spoilers
I love how much of a scumbag || Odin|| is in the game, || he's so manipulative all the time, he's never really physically threatening but I don't think he really ever was in any depiction, I've always seen him depicted as this old wise wizard, and he looks like that in ragnarok too, he has this weird charm and friendliness to his appearance but it's all an act, it's all just a character he plays to get exactly what he wants and to manipulate people like chess pieces ||
I also love that the second Kratos dares threaten him or talk back he immediately goes into personal attacks and attempts to dig into your head because he just can't stand people going against him
quiet swift
Heresy!
quiet swift
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1699050/Sanctuary_Shattered_Sun/ ooh, they released their trailer and steam page
thorny loom
thorny loom
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1699050/Sanctuary_Shattered_Sun/ ooh, they re...
Is that the SC successor you talked about before
quiet swift
It is!
pliant bramble
lol I think GTA V also had this
chilly mural
is that the 3rd Ninja gaiden reboot?
mossy flume
You know it really is weird that there are no corpo mechanics in Cp2077
I would've been really hyped to deal with cyberpunk dystopia corporate shenanigans.
Like stock market manipulation
hasty patio
Now bring Division 2 to Steam
I suspect that game is dead, so it won't be coming (or will be much later).
thorny loom
https://www.pcgamer.com/assassins-creed-valhalla-is-finally-coming-to-steam-in-d...
Unsurprising. Triple a devs figured out end of the day steam is only way to guarantee long term sales on pc
mossy flume
Nintendo is doing a good job of slowly making themselves an enemy of their own fans.
fresh bane
It's not really anything new from nintendo, they've been doing it for far too long 
white phoenix
Yeah exactly, they kinda already are their fan's worst enemy
fresh bane
I got no clue how Nintendo has maintained such a faithful fanbase
white phoenix
game good
fresh bane
at best they're out of touch and too harsh, at worst they're downright evil
white phoenix
also childhood memories perhaps
slim thorn
and most of us who enjoyed Nintendo's games have never been personally impacted by their behavior toward fanworks
odds are a lot of them aren't even aware of this stuff
river veldt
I'm not aware of it until people on here complain about it
fresh bane
The most surprising thing here is Nintendo even knowing what Steam is in the first place
they're finally catching up to the times
craggy vine
A lot of people here haven't played the supposed best videogame of all time
Hey I had technically played it, just on a friend's Xbox
river veldt
Yea I constantly hear that Titanfall 2 is one of the best games ever made but I've never played it
white phoenix
it's a skill-based movement shooter released in a time where that kind of shooter was dead
river veldt
Also Titanfall 2 probably doesn't have Doomguy in it so how could it be the best game ever made
white phoenix
It's alright
river veldt
Is it as good as Mario 64
white phoenix
never played it
river veldt
Oh
slim thorn
Titanfall 2 was a lot of fun though I've had no urge to play it again
there's no meaningful comparison to Mario 64
random steppe
I don't generally play multiplayer shooters so I can't comment on that part, but the campaign is really solid and fun, if a bit short
river veldt
there's no meaningful comparison to Mario 64
They're both video games
white phoenix
there's platforming aspects in titanfall I guess?
wall run, slide
and do all that while shooting dudes
slim thorn
what we often call parkour these days
river veldt
Parkour like in Minecraft
random steppe
I don't think you do parkour in Minecraft
white phoenix
parkour in minecraft has historically been just jumping from block to block
recently though you can get much more creative
random steppe
Yes they are called that, but you just like, jump like in any other map
slim thorn
Minecraft players use the term "parkour" to refer to user-created content involving platforming challenges, but Minecraft the game contains none of the mechanics we're referring to like wall runs and multiple jumps and sliding and grabbing and so on
river veldt
Who would win in a race Usaine Bolt or Sonic
white phoenix
minecraft parkour is where I first learned the word parkour, but now I have no idea why that term stuck
river veldt
minecraft parkour is where I first learned the word parkour, but now I have no i...
Me too!
random steppe
You don't have access to advanced movement like wall run, grappling hooks, slides and stuff like that I assume, you just become good at the good ol' jumping and running in MC maps I assume
slim thorn
I think Minecraft got big around the same time parkour mechanics were growing in popularity in the AAA space, so the term got used for the closest Minecraft could get to it
random steppe
A more accurate term is probably just platforming maps
river veldt
Mario
fresh bane
Man Signalis is fucking great
It's like Resident Evil, Silent Hill, Nier, and some other games all bundled together in a nice, horrifying package
this could easily be a contestant for goty for me
fresh bane
It's probably the best survival horror game ever made in a while
and I say that knowing that RE2R wasn't that long ago
and RE8 too
untold vigil
I've heard only good things
fresh bane
it is simply a masterpiece, simply put
nothing more to say, if anyone here likes survival horror like resident evil or silent hill even a little bit, Signalis is a no brainer
I have been thoroughly enjoying it
slim thorn
it's on my wishlist
slim thorn
of course right now my priority is
oh
well I have only ever played RE4
I've seen LPs of... the 2 and 3 remakes, 6 and 7 I think
river veldt
well I have only ever played RE4
Same
untold vigil
RERE is one of the best games ever made imo
river veldt
I've only seen playthroughs of 7 and 8
untold vigil
it's hammy but gameplay wise it's a masterpiece
It's spooky, the descriptions and puzzles are on point
it's hard, but not in a frustrating way
river veldt
Of course it's hammy it's Resident Evil
untold vigil
Idk if i'd call it my favorite game but I would say it's one of the best
fresh bane
I think it's easily the best RE game ever made
untold vigil
2 and 3 are great. new 2 is great, new 3 is okay. 4 is fun.
5+6 suck, 7 is great, 8 is good
CV is . . . I don't know
Between good and great?
slim thorn
oh I right I saw an RE8 LP too
fresh bane
I think 6 is a good action shooter
slim thorn
took a while to remember it, they start blurring together after a while
river veldt
I consider RE4 one of the best games ever made
untold vigil
I just finished that actually
fresh bane
Revelations really tried to bring back the horror to the shooter formula
untold vigil
I had a blast
fresh bane
Revelations 2 was really, really good for me
untold vigil
RE4 is a good game but
fresh bane
Moira was a really fun character
river veldt
I'm really excited for RE4R
untold vigil
It heralded the decline of RE into 5 and 6
river veldt
I suppose
untold vigil
Is it more fun that 1? Maybe, but it's less good, imo
It's more game-y
which isn't BAD it's just not what I want
river veldt
I disagree but I can't articulate why I think so
white phoenix
is it bad that I only know that re revelations exists because one of the Guinness world records gaming edition books showed that they misspelled "revelations" on the cover?
untold vigil
4 is basically the only good action RE
fresh bane
I mean whether or not what came after RE4 is bad or good doesn't really take away from the quality of RE4
white phoenix
and that it's how I learned the word "revelation" lol
fresh bane
I think RE Revelations and Revelations 2 are really good
river veldt
4 is basically the only good action RE
This is RE8 erasure and I won't stand for it
untold vigil
I mean whether or not what came after RE4 is bad or good doesn't really take awa...
That's true, but it's still. . . not what I want from RE
slim thorn
untold vigil
I want survival horror
fresh bane
Resident Evil was steering towards action horror since RE2
RE3 already had a dedicated dodge button
and you were a supercop
river veldt
Like Robocop????
fresh bane
The only pure horror one was RE1 and RE2 but it stops being super horror after the middle portion
untold vigil
If we're not judging 4 by 5 and 6 we can't judge 3 by 4 either
fresh bane
It's still scary, it's just action-horror now
untold vigil
and despite the dodge button 3 retains the survival aspect
fresh bane
I still want to play RE3 because I think RE3R was a bad game
untold vigil
RE3R wasn't good, no
RE2R was, i'd say
RE2R was almost the perfect mix, I'd say
it was action-y ENOUGH
But also like
not so actiony it became action rather than survival
fresh bane
I don't count the resident evil 'remakes' as substitutes for the originals though, they're re-imaginations with new plots and almost in their own complete different universe
and the gameplay is not always the same
white phoenix
what did they do to re3r that made it not as good?
untold vigil
They're not, no
fresh bane
I don't like how they handled the A and B scenarios in RE2
river veldt
Anyways no one should listen to my horror game opinions because FNAF 1 is my favourite horror game
untold vigil
Not in a good way
fresh bane
It feels like a step down from the PS1 title which had a lot more interactions and fun ways to affect the others campaigns
For example you could leave guns for Claire in your Leon campaign
RE2 2019 is literally just the same campaign
with a different character
untold vigil
It's not as interesting, I'll give you that
fresh bane
I am also a pretty strong defender of fixed camera for survival horror and never felt like the over the shoulder really added anything to RE2's remake
untold vigil
I like fixed angle too
fresh bane
I still wish and long for a true remake like the original RE1
untold vigil
URGH that'd be awesome
slim thorn
I like judicious use of fixed angle. It really depends.
untold vigil
But I don't think it's ever happening again
fresh bane
I even disliked it on God of War of all games
untold vigil
The modern gamer can't handle the fixed angle
even when it's better for the game, i.e. in RE1
fresh bane
A lot of people want a remake of RE1 now which is just beyond me
Like in the style of RE2
river veldt
There was fixed camera for GoW???
fresh bane
just play the remake that already exists it's literally the fucking perfect Resident Evil game
untold vigil
Honestly, I would take it
fresh bane
There was fixed camera for GoW???
Uhhh every single god of war game had fixed cameras
river veldt
Oh
untold vigil
It wont be as good but
I'll still take it
RE4RE tho
Looks like RE4 but more survivaly maybe? I'm tentatively hopeful
river veldt
I'm really excited
fresh bane
re1r is like super dirt cheap even for the HD remastered version of the remake, not buying that and playing it is something only a fool would do, even the entire structure and story is unchanged, barring additions for the better like crimson heads
untold vigil
I did just finished RE4 VR which was REALLY fun
river veldt
They kept the cheesy one liners thank god
untold vigil
but it's VR so
fresh bane
Honestly I just want RE9 now
No more remakes please
yamenasai
I want to see Jill again
river veldt
What
river veldt
I don't know what that word means
slim thorn
(I'm still looking forward to the Dead Space remake 
)
river veldt
(I'm still looking forward to the Dead Space remake <:PinkiePeek:663372433922850...
I forgor that wAs happening
fresh bane
I heard people complain about Dead Space Remake because it's... ''too dark''...?
untold vigil
2 and 3 did a pretty good job of setting up a new universe that makes more sense
fresh bane
river veldt
Dark tonally or dark as in you can't see
slim thorn
but it's not out yet
untold vigil
I'm hoping that re4re carries on with the plot
and then we can get versions of 5 and 6 that don't suck
fresh bane
I'm like yeah, you're exploring a gigantic spaceship that just crashed into another spaceship...
untold vigil
and THEN we'll be back on track
river veldt
and then we can get versions of 5 and 6 that don't suck
:0
untold vigil
I do also want deadspaces
fresh bane
a remake of RE5 and 6 would be silly for me
untold vigil
I liked deadspace too
river veldt
It'll loop back around and then we'll get remakes of 7 and 8
untold vigil
I don't want a remake of 5 and 6 i just want the plot of RE to not suck
fresh bane
They can always just ignore those games, god knows many franchises have done it
untold vigil
it made sense up through CV
fresh bane
or retcon stuff
but going all the way back is just not the optimal choice for me
just move forward already
slim thorn
I have no strong feelings about any of the RE plots I've seen
river veldt
I liked 7 and 8s
fresh bane
I don't even deny that RE's plot could be improved upon, I just don't want them to reimagine the entire franchise lol
river veldt
Ethan is my second favourite RE protagonist
slim thorn
I get that the later ones are often sillier or more extreme, but at least in all the ones I've seen I didn't really care about any of it beyond it providing excuses for the next gameplay segment
random steppe
I love RE but let's be honest, the plot is pretty generic.
It's just good enough to be amusing while not getting in the way of the exploration and the surviving
fresh bane
the plot was hardly ever the main appeal or the point, it was serviceable and good enough, it wasn't trying to be anything too deep
and it succeeded at what it was
random steppe
Every bad thing that happens is Umbrella or a subsidiary, which are almost cartoonishly evil, and there is the whole wesker thing which is basically The Terminator
fresh bane
it was just background information on what you were doing
it only really started getting out of hand after RE4, like most things in the franchise
it's no secret that the whole military shooter action era of the mid to late 2000s influenced Capcom's decisions
they thought it'd be a good choice
they thought wrong
random steppe
Yeah I'm not saying it's bad, just that people don't play RE for the story.
fresh bane
RE1's plot feels like a mystery you unravel through all the notes you read, it's intriguing and interesting, at least to me
you really feel that confusion of ''what the hell is happening here? why are we here? what information is being whitheld from us?''
it's not super deep and complex, it's quite simple, but it's cool and it doesn't get in the way
random steppe
RE1 was not original as a plot, but it was probably the one that had more to tease, given that it was the 1st one and we weren't familiar with what caused the whole thing at the time
It's still clichè but we didn't know which clichè of the many in the horror genre they went with, so it was still kind of a surprise
fresh bane
I actually haven't touched OG RE2 in a long time so I can't speak of it, but I assume it's pretty much the same plot as the reimagination of 2019
with Leon and Claire getting roped up in secret spy and umbrella bussiness
which leads Leon to become a supercop for the gvmnt and Claire to search for her brother
simple, nothing much
random steppe
To be clear, I like RE story and I especially support them going bonkers with it for and after RE4
They probably realised they can't tell the exact same story more than 3 games in a row
fresh bane
I think RE3 2020 did something interesting with introducing Jill's nightmares, I hope they do that in RE4
Re's story doesn't NEED to be deeper than a surface level conflict with terrorists but it can be
Leon can be haunted by his memories of Raccoon City and he could be carrying a lot of guilt and trauma from that event
Especially when he gets infected, especially then
random steppe
IDK if it would fit RE4 tone that much, but maybe it'd work
IDK I'd have to see it
fresh bane
Well that's kind of it isn't it, RE4's original tone is great and everyone loves it but when you think about it in the context of a rookie cop who gets roped up in this massive catastrophe event and suddenly he's taken out of his normal life to become a secret agent...
he'd probably be a little fucked up
granted I think Leon is currently an alcoholic on the latest timeline
so that kinda makes sense
random steppe
That said, to be clear, it might be clichè but it isn't boring.
They mostly play the horror genre clichè straight but they have fun with it, they are self aware, they have crazy characters that are incredibly entertaining, lots of showmanship on display, it's a very entertaining mix
fresh bane
Yeah, the ones who are trying to take themselves a bit more seriously are 7 and 8
what with Eveline's whole deal
I fucking hate Eveline
they really tried to make Mia look like a good person too
that was so so weird
random steppe
I don't consider 8 serious at all personally
fresh bane
The DLC kinda is
random steppe
Didn't play the DLC yet
untold vigil
I sorta missed this whole conversation because some scrubs made me play discord golf
random steppe
I might at some point
untold vigil
Which is a shame because I have lots to say abou tit
RE has good plot in the way FNAF has good plot: it's only fun if you dig way too deep and ignore everything else
river veldt
Lol
untold vigil
anyway
random steppe
Speaking of the base game tho, 8 is extremely quirky IMO, I don't mind if they want to do a DLC that skews a bit more serious for those put off from the literal 4 bosses
untold vigil
I liked that they tied the plagas to Nemesis
random steppe
Ala Dark Souls
untold vigil
It was a cool idea and helped fix some shittiness around the plot
random steppe
Each which looks like came out from a marvel comic
fresh bane
If people get put off by wacky bosses in resident evil... then resident evil is probably not the game for those people
river veldt
Speaking of the base game tho, 8 is extremely quirky IMO, I don't mind if they w...
I love 8 so much
random steppe
(which I loved btw, it's exactly my jam)
fresh bane
I remember so many people who played DMC5 for the first time and literally actually dropped the game and said it sucks because Dante started dancing
random steppe
Did they skip the intro or something?
The one in which they shoot demons while on a jumping van
untold vigil
wheeze
slim thorn
part of the reason I watched an RE6 LP was to see why everyone was being so harsh on the game at the time, and I think it was when I got to the part where you fight a giant zombie t-rex boss from a moving train that I went "ok I 100% understand the reactions to this now"
fresh bane
yeah but the entire van scene is totally different, a lot of people can easily find it cool
it's quite clearly a homage to DmC's intro with Dante dressing up while his van is being torn apart
but, you know, in a better game
random steppe
It might be cool but it's also definitely not serious at all
fresh bane
It kinda is I guess, it just portrays Nero as a badass but there is a certain light hearted nature to it with Nico smoking a cigarrete in slow mo
random steppe
As a sidenote, I feel DmC was okay
Not special but the reaction to it was definitely disproportionate
fresh bane
it's not serious but it's not too goofy either, not like Dante dancing like Michael Jackson
But we're talking about the franchise were Dante used to fight demons on a motorcycle, on the air
fresh bane
Devil May Cry is so special because even though it's silly and goofy it's still badass and manages to tell a good story, nothing revolutionary, it's just well executed
white phoenix
and then uses the motorcycle as a weapon
river veldt
Correct!
random steppe
Ok I feel like you say that bit is not goofy because you are desensitised from Devil May Cry at this point.
random steppe
There is a bit in which she hit 2 demons and use the windshield wiper to wipe them away
fresh bane
he also jumps on top of a rocket and flies it like a skateboard
No no, listen
I get it, I said it too, it's light hearted
slim thorn
I've never played or watched any of the DMCs so I had to double-check that we weren't talking about Bayonetta
fresh bane
But I don't feel like it's the same as Dante dancing like Michael Jackson with strobelights in the background while they're talking about how the demon king will literally suck up the blood of the world
random steppe
https://youtu.be/qiiW2lKu-og?t=113 I need a second opinion
fresh bane
I've never played or watched any of the DMCs so I had to double-check that we we...
I mean Bayonetta is kind of the same cup of tea, but I feel like DMC is some excellent tea that you come back to everytime, while Bayonetta is a one-time type of tea that you kinda don't feel like it's worth revisiting afterwards
to me, anyways
DMC always had much better stories and a way more fun cast of characters
river veldt
https://youtu.be/qiiW2lKu-og?t=113 I need a second opinion
This is pretty badass ngl
fresh bane
Bayo 3 was a complete disappointment
random steppe
Yes that's the point, but it's also very goofy
Like I feel it's a massive "leave any idea of this game being serious at the door" sign
slim thorn
(I did try the original DMC a loooong time ago but bounced off it so fast it doesn't really count)
fresh bane
DMC1 is the goat
untold vigil
I basically got into bayo because it was DMC but girl
random steppe
DMC1 is a pretty good game
I think it's overrated personally, but it's still very good
fresh bane
I never see people mention DMC1 at all personally, they always bring up DMC3
random steppe
But only because people have it in such high esteem
river veldt
I always see people bring up DMC2 🤔
slim thorn
my brief time with DMC1 felt like it was from the era where the first game of a series was the rough and unpolished one that the sequels just did better
fresh bane
I'm gonna be honest I actually like DMC2 but it's only because it was my first DMC as a kid, but it's an overall terrible game
slim thorn
I don't know DMC well enough to tell which one people are bringing up most of the time
random steppe
3 I feel is better, but not by much.
There is definitely space for subjectivity and I wouldn't scream in horror if someone told me 1 was their favourite
fresh bane
my brief time with DMC1 felt like it was from the era where the first game of a ...
definitely, it's the first of its kind and it's very limited in comparison to what you can do in DMC3
river veldt
I'm gonna be honest I actually like DMC2 but it's only because it was my first D...
Does this franchise have any good games
fresh bane
Does this franchise have any good games <:rdwut:399725074204065802>
literally every game except DMC2 and DmC are fantastic
slim thorn
I'm also pretty sure that much of the point of DMC is unavailable to me because of lack of skill
dire gate
Detroit Metal City
fresh bane
I mean, you could watch some cutscenes for the story, it's not the main appeal buut.. it's fun, it's a good story, good characters
but the main meat will always be the gameplay
it's the main draw after all
random steppe
I feel like DmC was way better than 2 at the very least
fresh bane
Yeah no question about it, DmC has a terrible story but the gameplay was admittedly fun
random steppe
Not by gameplay maybe, but it was definitely more interesting
random steppe
Was DMC2 that bad by gameplay=
I played it so long ago that I actually don't know anymore
fresh bane
I'll say it again, and I do not exaggerate in the slightest, DMC2 is literally nothing
I played it again entirely both campaigns like, a couple years back?
I think even in 2021
There's nothing about that game that is salvageable at all
The music!
The only thing that is good, actually
random steppe
Also I liked DmC story well enough, to be honest.
Also I really liked the real world getting distorted
When fights started
fresh bane
There are cool elements about DmC and almost all of them were brought over to DMC5 which is a great idea by me, but I have nothing positive to say about DmC's story
I feel like it does a very poor job to say the least in adapting the story and characters of the original DMC games, and the story as a standalone game doesn't work
random steppe
Also it was kind of cool that the story for once, kinda concerned itself with the real world.
Like, the fact that the point of the demons in that one is controlling humanity through the media and food and shit like that, it was an original approach for a DmC, probably a bit more though out on that specific aspect
Pretty much in all the other DMC games humans aren't even brought up at all and the demons objectives are either nebulous or specifically concern Dante or one of the other main characters
fresh bane
It's a story about fambly
random steppe
It was a fresh approach
fresh bane
I never felt like it was an approach that was needed, and again I still maintain that it was executed poorly as a standalone story, the concept is fine, but it's just not the right game for it
I also have absolute zero respect for DmC's director either
DmC is not a game that celebrates the original games' themes and characters, the director of DmC has actively gone against the original games even before starting development of DmC
He has no respect for Devil May Cry
random steppe
I feel it was executed about as well for any of the other DMC games, the gameplay was worse than any other DMC except 2 tho, so there was that
It was okay at best
and I don't play DMC for okay gameplay
fresh bane
Nah the story of even DMC1 is better executed than DmC, saying DMC3 was executed the same as DmC is just wrong in my respectful opinion
DMC3 is vastly more interesting than DmC
It has a way more interesting main rival in Vergil, who goes through his own arc with Dante and Lady is her own character that goes through her own trials that mirrors Dante's as well
the one supporting character in DmC, which I even forgot her name, does absolutely nothing
she's a pretty one dimensional character and Dante and Vergil are too
random steppe
IDK, story in DMC is backdrop, I wouldn't say that any of the DMC stories are especially incredible.
They are a good time to give context between levels but I never felt I was super close to any of the characters, other than having a good time when they were going badass in action scenes
fresh bane
I respectfully disagree I think the stories of the DMC games, especially DMC3 and DMC5 are fantastic
I think saying DMC1 and DMC4's stories are fine is perfectly okay because those are definitely some of the most okay-est games when it comes to story and characters, but DMC3 and DMC5 are on a level of their own
random steppe
Subjectivity and all that, 3 has great atmospthere at the very least so there is that.
I do agree that 3 especially come the closest to actually have a good story, Dante even has a character arc, a technology before never heard of in a Devil May Cry
fresh bane
I mean whether or not people like or dislike the games is subjective sure but whether or not the games have well executed or good stories I feel like it's not
random steppe
I'm joking but it's actually rare in games to see character arcs
fresh bane
DMC1's is overall pretty good because it's just well executed, it's nothing too deep and it's just a pretty straightforward revenge story but it has its little hoops and toys around with some emotional moments with Dante and Nero Angelo's relationship as well as Trish
chilly mural
The only thing that is good, actually
just like a lot of sonic games pre sonic boom
fresh bane
DMC2 exists
and DMC3 is just great, all of the characters in that game are great and they all serve a purpose
Dante and Vergil's arcs and their dynamic is super well done, and Lady and Arkham's is too, the only bad part is that while this is only the beginning for Dante and Vergil, Lady feels like her journey is already over
she doesn't do much of anything in DMC4 and 5 unfortunately, but her journey in DMC3 is pretty good
You really come to appreciate just how well written and good DMC's story and characters is when you compare it to something like Bayonetta especially Bayonetta 3 which is just a mess
if you really want a character action game that just has a story for simply having some background noise, oh boy, Bayonetta 3 is your example
that game is a mess
random steppe
I mean...you say it's well written, and I'll respect your opinion, but I don't feel like characters have more than one dimension in 3 with maybe the exception of Dante that come to be more responsible through the story.
And maybe Vergil after he gets his ass betrayed by the most obvious traitor that ever lived
I don't think it's necessarily a fault of the game, it's not something I expect from a DMC game to go deep into the characters, it's fine as it is but I wouldn't consider it an especially amazing story personally
fresh bane
Vergil never really trusted Arkham, he was just using him so I don't think it was a surprise that Arkham was a traitor
And I don't feel like Dante is one dimensional at all, it starts off feeling that way until Dante meets Lady which completely changes his vision and focus to the point where at the end he's actively trying to help her out because he understands her pain as they both have pretty complicated familiar issues to say the least
random steppe
Yes Dante is the one dude that changes through the story
fresh bane
You have this one kid who is so traumatized by his mothers' death and him being left for dead when he was young and who idolizes his father so much that he's so obsessed with getting stronger to the point where he doesn't care about anything else, the other one doesn't want anything to do with that and he hides away all that by being a wacky stupid idiot who eats pizza and kills demons for fun
even in DMC3 there's moments where Dante shows his true colors especially with Lady
river veldt
just like a lot of sonic games pre sonic boom
What
random steppe
To each their own, I don't feel like the game showcase this depth of character, but I'm happy you took away more than I did from the story
fresh bane
the story is never really the main point so it's not nearly as cinematic or as deeply written as other more narrative driven experiences but everything is there and it's especially apparent in any DMC5 related material like the game or the prequel manga with V, which especially delves more into these aspects
that's why I'll always say that while DMC is not a masterpiece in writing the games are well written
it's a good story and good characters, it's executed well
random steppe
Yeah as I said, I don't think the game does for me what it does for you, I don't see that level of depth in the writing, but I don't think the game is on the hook for delivering that
I'm not playing a narrative focused game, an okay story is above average for this genre, and I don't expect it to blow my socks off.
But also I wont come away thinking super highly of the narrative in particoilar
Of the game as a whole, for sure
Still, to not go in circles a bunch of times, happy to have heard your perspective on it
fresh bane
I'm admittedly not going into as much detail as I could because I don't do well with these conversations where I don't have enough time to think what I wanna say and compile all the necessary information beforehand so I'm going off of what's on the top of my head right now
I guess at the end of the day I'll just say I agree that the games are not focused in narrative, I just think they do a good job with it
random steppe
Makes sense
river veldt
There's a Twitter page called "Etika Memories" and every time I see them post it makes me really sad. Etika was such a positive voice in the Nintendo community and it sucks without him.
astral field
quiet swift
#GuessTheGame #192
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grim stirrup
#GuessTheGame #192
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https://GuessThe.Game/ to be fair, i was talking to someone about this skybox yesterday ||specifically if the planet in the sky has a name, since the plant youre on is 456b||
google just echoes ||456b|| and ive been to lazy to go further
gaunt marten
#GuessTheGame #192
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||Why the fuck are none of the early pictures underwater?||
gaunt marten
I instinctively turned the volume up expecting a unique Nintendo jingle
grim stirrup
#GuessTheGame #192
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to be fair the first image is part of the first time you || leave the pod, and see the aurora|| i think
gaunt marten
Nope. I never paid attention to that
quiet swift
#GuessTheGame #192
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So the site lets you submit your own game suggestion and screenshots... and to quote them, it goes - should be _____ to guess the game based on this screenshot. Extremely hard -> very hard, hard, medium difficulty, easy-ish, easy
gaunt marten
It can be extremely hard but also relevant to the game
quiet swift
I don't know what ratio of these are from the guy who has this site up compared to people's suggestions, but people's ideas of "extremely hard" varies widely
gaunt marten
I like the Spelunky one
Where the first picture was a very bland but incredibly iconic texture the game uses
quiet swift
I have a lower 1 guess score than most in here, half of that is because I couldn't even begin to guess based on the first few screenhots... the other is i don't know the game 
Yeah, the game I suggested, it's also a generic shot but the graphic style has a certain something to it that might make it recognizable to those who played it
For todays it wasn't obvious to me until ||the seaweed||
rough sleet
||literally played it yesterday but my dumbass thought that second picture is vegetation from another game||
gaunt marten
Looks like Circuitverse but clunky
Which is a feat because Circuitverse is already pretty clunky
river veldt
graceful bridge
heady bridge
Aww, so no Life of Black Tiger 2 then?
quiet swift
There's "extremely hard" and then there's "fucking impossible"
slim thorn
my favorite difficulty is "sufficiently stylistic rock"
quiet swift
slim thorn
for example, I bet more than half of you can guess this one:
chilly mural
🐺
teal sonnet
holy shit
fresh bane
man it's these kinds of opinions that I hate
just full of excuses and justifications for nintendo's shortcomings, this happens aaaaall the time, people make valid complaints about pokemon but then comes the people that are like ''no it's fine actually just shut up and stop complaining the games are perfect in every way''
wind stump
maybe they should have launched without all those bugs in the first place
fresh bane
You'd think that in 2022 if you pay for a full priced game you'd receive a high quality product with no major game breaking glitches and bugs (that have reportedly happened to countless players something that didn't happen before)
but hey what do I know I'm no bussiness man
heady bridge
That article saying about refunds is only from one (not very well known to me) source. I’m not saying they are wrong but this would be historic if refunds are indeed taking place. Though remember Pokémon is not a full fledged Nintendo franchise as they own only a portion of The Pokémon Company, with the rest owned by Game Freak and Creatures, though I imagine Nintendo do exert a big chunk of influence what with the console exclusivity etc.
To the average person Pokémon is seen as a Nintendo franchise and lately the franchise is heavily tanking their reputation, they surely need to step in and do something about this going forward
teal sonnet
Nintendo has pretty much no actual control over pokemon games
that is why they come out the way they come out
heady bridge
I wouldn’t say they have no control, but the problem is Pokémon is a separate company that relies only on Pokémon content to keep afloat. This is why you see new Pokémon games almost on a yearly basis which for a team as small as Game Freak by modern standards is just untenable, they either need a huge injection of cash and resources, or they need much more time between games so they can be released in a fit state.
The problem is, Pokémon Scarlet and Violet have sold gangbusters (from UK sales data anyway), so there’s been little incentive to actually change things as the bottom line is still super healthy, which begs the question of how bad will things have to get before the vast majority turn away from the franchise.
gaunt marten
I did it? https://i.imgur.com/ifNdtZD.png
I didn't get to do any of the mission tree that gives me personal unions with the Holy Roman Empire Electors
Holy shit, being emperor makes me able to field three times as much troops https://i.imgur.com/vg49HUb.png
I see. For each member of the HRE I get 0.5 force limit, including free cities
Now I could dismantle the holy roman empire for another achievement, or I could play with it for a while because I have not done so before
green fulcrum
#GuessTheGame #192
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https://guessthe.game/
Wtf even was the first screenshot? Nobody is gonna manage to guess this within the first guess. Literally nobody. 
slim thorn
it was the Dark Souls of guessing games
rough sleet
I mean, you can try
gaunt marten
#GuessTheGame #192
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https://GuessThe.Game/ to be fair, i ...
Somebody here guessed it
rough sleet
game has a very unique skybox
quiet swift
https://youtu.be/kgivEvHjHNM when your build is so strong you literally kill death only to encounter another death
slim thorn
this GtG is the first time upon which it has been remarked
wind stump
gaunt marten
The feature where you get double damage for every 8 (5) skills you play is so fun
Basically means you only need one attack and a lot of skills
grim stirrup
It's highly unremarkable in my opinion
it is highly unremarkable, if i hadnt been talking about it the day before and the ||planet wasnt visible|| i wouldnt have got it
grim stirrup
oh boy, time for me to be disappointed by the sales
wind stump
faque
oh well thanks for the reminder, managed to grab SAO Fatal Bullet and the DLCs before the sale ended, doubt the black friday sale will be anywhere near as good as 80% off
grim stirrup
the sao games are always so close to being great they all have a certain edge of jank though
thorny loom
Sale is live
wind stump
good haul i think
thorny loom
Oh yeah risk of rain is owned by gearbox now
fresh bane
melty bloooooooood
god, I remember playing Risk of Rain with my buddy years ago like in 2014
I was so surprised back when Risk of Rain 2 was released because I didn't expect that to happen at all
og Risk of Rain was the shit
graceful bridge
quiet swift
Kitty! \o/
graceful bridge
quiet swift
graceful bridge
Sony has their Black Friday sale up also
wind stump
Hahahha
river veldt
Lol
wind stump
Gotham Knights more like Gotham Yikes
fresh bane
Was it? They always marketed as very much NOT Arkham at all
fresh bane
Well, from what the devs themselves said, they very much weren't trying to make an Arkham game
now, whether or not that translates into the final product is another thing, because even Spiderman PS4 feels like an Arkham game due to how influential that franchise has been
People were expecting Arkham, the devs were saying they didn't want to do Arkham and it wasn't an Arkham game, but it still feels like an Arkham game just.... much, much worse
visual hill
I remember playing Spider-Man Remastered and thinking the combat is a rehash of Arkham Asylum
bleak lintel
Gotham Knights was pretty fun, the performance issues is what kind of killed the game.
fickle garnet
It was said to not be related to the Arkham games at all
arctic fern
fun fact: warhammer 40k: darktide? very good, and its still the beta
weak river
fun fact: warhammer 40k: darktide? very good, and its still the beta
Good, good. I was rather excited for it; I'm glad it's being received well.
quartz pawn
It s coming in 2023 🤩
I swear , the Alien is one of the most annoying and horrifying creatures in a game
mossy flume
https://insider-gaming.com/new-alien-game-in-development/
Oooo
Looking forward to photorealistic horror 
hidden elbow
https://insider-gaming.com/new-alien-game-in-development/
I hope it will take notes from alien isolation
hidden elbow
yeah Gotham Knights is...
Well its.....fine I guess
astral field
It is one of the games of all time
dire gate
I actually guessed the ||entire franchise|| for this one
The graphics looked familiar but I was a bit off as I never played it
quiet swift
same, and same score 😐
craggy vine
pft same
grim stirrup
quiet swift
static bluff
#GuessTheGame #193
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I only got it because Spoilers ||I saw Dunkey review it I had no idea which xenoblade it was since I'm not familiar with the series. My guesses were...
❌Halo: Combat Evolved
❌Immortals: Fenyx Rising
❌Pikmin 3
❌Xenoblade Chronicles X
✅Xenoblade Chronicles 3 ||
gaunt marten
"Rumor is that they seek protection from the Bohemian"
But Bohemia is the emperor of the HRE
quiet swift
I AM A SLAYER OF GODS
thorny loom
Yeah that’s unsurprising
heady bridge
What baffles me is that Arceus looks better than the mainline titles here (and don't get me wrong even that is hardly stunning), that blows my mind that the side experimental game has better technical competence than your bread and butter.
grizzled elbow
old version of the canvas 11. (Pixelplace /11 and the canvas's size is 3000x3000.)
visual hill
heterochromia! 
fresh bane
Nintendo Switch eyes
