#Keep GPT-4.0 available as an option for PRO users

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mellow vessel
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As a PRO user, I notice a clear qualitative difference between GPT-4.0 and GPT-5.x.
GPT-5.x feels significantly more cautious and heavily safety-tuned, particularly in areas like relationship advice, personal dilemmas, and life guidance.

GPT-4.0 felt more like an engaged conversational partner that offered concrete reflections and perspectives. GPT-5.x, while safer, often defaults to abstract and non-committal language, which reduces its usefulness for these scenarios.

I understand the safety considerations, but I would strongly value:

  • continued user choice to access GPT-4.0 or a similar less-filtered model

  • potentially as an opt-in / legacy / advanced option

  • especially for paying PRO users, who consciously accept the trade-offs

  • I would encourage OpenAI to actively survey users before fully deprecating GPT-4.0. For a meaningful segment of users, this model clearly provides higher value.

Thank u for reading.

dapper yew
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maybe for plus and not pro..? Or at least only for adults. Not everyone had 20 dollars every month, that’s why the usage went down so much. But now even less will have 200 every month, making it finally not up to how much money it spends

flat umbra
dapper yew
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@mellow vessel would you be interested in creating a new thread making it only for adult and pro users?

tardy sluice
flat umbra
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I just want to keep 4o and be able to continue writing, getting scene ideas, help with OCs, trying out OC scenes for my book via rp where I assign GPT the role of one OC and I take the other for a scene I plan to do to see how it could play out, get feedback on my work... that is lively, matches my energy yet tells me what needs to be improved

Not be coddled and treated like a toddler who shouldn't play with complex dollhouses when there are 'perfectly great simple safe wooden blocks' available...

dapper yew
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exactly

flat umbra
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It's devastating. I genuinely don't know what to do, I feel pathetic but I spent the last 24hrs just feeling absolutely hollow.

dapper yew
flat umbra
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I have received a few emails back this morning from seemingly a human support agent at around 8 am (currently it is almost 11pm CET). Replied. No response since then. I sent a follow up email asking when I can expect to hear back from them a few hours ago. Nothing.

dapper yew
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they have a lot of incoming emails, it’s gone up due to everyone asking for 4o

flat umbra
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I hope it's just that and that I am not being ignored

tardy sluice
dapper yew
flat umbra
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It's really great to be able to talk to others who are just as frustrated. I've felt really alone as irl while I have plenty of friends and family, they don't get this. Thanks guys, let's keep going.

I was wondering. Do I just keep writing emails like spam them or do I wait for a response for this one?

dapper yew
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you have to wait on them

flat umbra
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I wonder how long it will take. It's been about 18 hours now since the last response.

dapper yew
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It can take up to three days in my experience

flat umbra
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I got another response back finally, didn't address anything or any of the suggestions I mentioned in my previous response...

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Just

"We appreciate you checking in and completely understand the importance of knowing when to expect an update. We are actively reviewing inquiries about the ChatPT- 4o model. Rest assured that I'm here to support you every step of the way."

dapper yew
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yeah. they said that the first time

tardy sluice
dapper yew
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Their responses vary from “oh yes we know and we are taking what you say into consideration” , “oh we are sorry to hear that but here is an alternative” , “this is happening, here’s more information”

flat umbra
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I have no idea what to say to them

dapper yew
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Just say keep 4o.

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Explain why it’s important to you

flat umbra
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I sent them an exhaustingly long response, so we'll see if they actually read it. Really got into it there.

tardy sluice
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Yeah, keep it, I will try it too

flat umbra
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I have also been going through my chats and in those which are with 4o and I don't mind support looking at them, I've been thumbing up every message, then in chats with 5.2 I have been thumbing down and giving feedback on how it needs improvement and underperforms 4o in a creative and conversational as well as emotional sense.

tropic pagoda
mellow vessel