Clarification on Free Services for Developers and Students | OpenAI | Page 1

keen belfry May 20, 2024, 1:46 AM

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Hey everyone, hello

I'm reaching out to get some clarification on what OpenAI currently offers for developers and students in terms of free services. I understand that the $5 credit program was discontinued a couple of months ago, and now it seems that API access and the Playground are behind a paywall.

Given these changes, could someone provide a detailed rundown of what free options are available? Specifically, I'm interested in understanding:

1- Are there any free tiers or limited access options for developers to try out the API without an upfront cost?

2- What resources or tools are available for students who are learning about AI and might not have the funds to pay for services?

3- Are there any special programs or discounts that OpenAI offers for educational purposes or for developers to experiment before committing financially?

I think that it's really valuable for tech companies to offer free products for developers, as well as end users. This helps foster innovation, inclusivity, and education. When companies like Google and Meta provide free access to tools and APIs, it allows developers to learn and experiment without financial barriers. This supports a diverse and vibrant developer community, helping drive technological progress and making innovation accessible to everyone. This is why I'm curious about what OpenAI offers for developers and students.

I’ve noticed that some competitors, like Google, offer free access to their Gemini API with rate limits, which is a helpful way to get started without immediate costs. It would be great to know if OpenAI has any similar offerings.

Thanks in advance for your help! 🫶 ♥️

keen belfry May 24, 2024, 7:42 PM

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UP

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 5:52 AM

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UP ?

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 7:52 AM

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keen belfry UP ?

i dont think you will get an official answer here but all free tier api stuff are gone for now and likely not coming back due abusive usage. it was originally $18, then dropped to $5 and now gone. openai seems to have outsourced all free credit programs to its partners such as microsoft

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:16 AM

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jaunty lake i dont think you will get an official answer here but all free tier api stuff ar...

I applied to the Microsoft for Startups program using my LinkedIn profile, but my application idea was rejected. I'm unsure why it was refused.

Additionally, I have an Azure student plan as a college student. Initially, I couldn't access the OpenAI Azure gateway and had to request access, which was approved. However, I was surprised to discover that the TPM is limited to only 1k. After sending just one message, I encountered continuous errors regarding quotas and limits.

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sad sad 💔

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:20 AM

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jaunty lake i dont think you will get an official answer here but all free tier api stuff ar...

It's understandable to be frustrated when companies face abuse. All companies deal with bad actors, and it's true that they should invest in algorithms and techniques to mitigate these issues.

The discrepancy between ChatGPT's free and limited access versus the paid API for developers is a common point of discussion. While both utilize the same underlying technology, there are cost and resource considerations for providing widespread free access to the API.

Implementing stricter security measures like phone or ID verification could help prevent abuse, but these also present challenges. Such measures can be intrusive for users and raise privacy concerns.

The lack of communication and transparency from companies about these issues is definitely a problem. Open dialogue and clear announcements about ongoing efforts to combat abuse and improve access would benefit both users and developers. This lack of communication can stifle innovation by creating uncertainty and limiting access to essential tools.

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 9:23 AM

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keen belfry It's understandable to be frustrated when companies face abuse. All companies de...

they did phone verification but it did not help enough as its so easy to get a new number. credit card is currently the only universal id check that is plausible to do

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:24 AM

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jaunty lake they did phone verification but it did not help enough as its so easy to get a n...

they can do both Phone Verification and ID card verification like big companies do i think it's hard to get both at the same time if we compare it to the outcome which is only $5 free credits and very limited access 3 RPM and 200 RPD

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 9:25 AM

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keen belfry they can do both Phone Verification and ID card verification like big companies ...

id card check is not reasonable with all the supported countries

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:25 AM

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they should do anything they are a big company how students like me afford money to learn the api and different services they provide why it has to be behind a paywall

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 9:26 AM

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its easier to them to require $5 credit card purchase than do expensive user vetting

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:26 AM

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i mean not all people can pay $5 and for me i don't want access to the flagship models i just want to access to simple API like gpt3.5

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:27 AM

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jaunty lake its easier to them to require $5 credit card purchase than do expensive user vet...

I don't think it cost money they just can link the card and also in case if i want to subscribe they can deduct money from it

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most of the banks provide this authorization method and linking method to check the card

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:28 AM

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jaunty lake its easier to them to require $5 credit card purchase than do expensive user vet...

and to be honest with you i don't think closing the free tier program while companies like google and claude and others give free access is preventing people from abusing it's actually making people abuse it more

I've seen couple of friends saying they found a way to access gpt3.5 api but it's illegal way

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 9:29 AM

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keen belfry most of the banks provide this authorization method and linking method to check ...

they had that, was abused. now its prepurchase only

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:29 AM

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and i refused to use it for any purpose because it's not stable and also it's illegal

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:29 AM

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jaunty lake they had that, was abused. now its prepurchase only

i don't think they had this method they used to just give anyone register for chatgpt a $5

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that's why they got abused

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there is a lot of topics on the forum for that

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also you didn't get my point the API is for develoeprs it's the same as i go chat with ChatGPT they have it for free so if you have already given end users free access to chatgpt even when they don't register at the website to make things easier

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 9:31 AM

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they had phone number only at start and the card check was used after trial phase and people did not pay, used illegal card, etc. so they saw it wouldnt work

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:31 AM

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why developers don't have any free access ?

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:31 AM

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jaunty lake they had phone number only at start and the card check was used after trial phas...

i didn't see anyone talk about that you have to link a credit card to get the trial credits

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even there is a lot of topics discussing that people didn't know they even have $18 or $5

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and when they go to playground it's already expired

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 9:33 AM

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keen belfry i didn't see anyone talk about that you have to link a credit card to get the tr...

no read again it was both, after the trial and even no trial users "scammed" so openai saw it would not work. today its credits only instead of billed once a month

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:34 AM

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Yes i know there was 2 ways of paying the pay as you go and monthly now it's only pay as you go prepaid

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but i don't know people scammed the old way and that made them switch to the new method

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all i know is that when you register for chatgpt you get $5 immediately without linking anything

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the other way you mentioned is just not openai problem it's even more companies deal with it like google play and photoshop and a lot of companies

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so how can google manage this and openai can't ?

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 9:35 AM

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number was linked but it did not help because people bought prepaids worth less than $5

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:35 AM

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also how is chatgpt free and api for chatgpt is not free ?

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 9:36 AM

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keen belfry also how is chatgpt free and api for chatgpt is not free ?

if you make that kind of comparison then use chatgpt

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:36 AM

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if you shutdown the api you need to also shutdown the chatgpt website to prevent abuse and you make it payment only it's the same concept

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:37 AM

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jaunty lake if you make that kind of comparison then use chatgpt

i can't use it directly because it doesn't allow me to control a lot of things like temperature and top p top k and other variables and settings that makes me learn how models work

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 9:37 AM

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keen belfry i can't use it directly because it doesn't allow me to control a lot of things l...

and thats the answer to your question

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:37 AM

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also api is made to be linked to applications and making agents and other cool stuff

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that chatgpt by itself cannot do it it's designed to be used for end users only

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:38 AM

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jaunty lake and thats the answer to your question

but i mean it's the same cost those things are just that's the way it's being offered

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i mean 1 message in chatgpt is the same as 1 request in the api

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because what chatgpt is doing it's actually using the api

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 9:38 AM

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in chatgpt you are the product

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:38 AM

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I'm the product ?

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how

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capybarathink

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I've disabled training and chat history already

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 9:40 AM

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all your actions are logged even if not all is used for training, your regenerates, thumbup etc still have value

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:40 AM

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to the api i'm the product also because it's logged

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if that's what you mean

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 9:40 AM

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the logging or the usage is not the same

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:41 AM

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you still didn't get the point that chatgpt is using the api behind the scene

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 9:41 AM

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with chatgpt they even log how long you have the tab active, etc.

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:41 AM

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so it's literally the same

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what is actually happening is chatgpt offering a gui interface for end users who doesn't know how to use the api but it's using it for them on their behalf

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:42 AM

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jaunty lake with chatgpt they even log how long you have the tab active, etc.

but in the api there is innovation and freedom i can use chatgpt technology in other and mixed with or without tools and applications to make good things out of it

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if i made a good project that helps people this also is a marketing startgey for openai

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btw google is training the free tier for api and i can't stop it unless i pay and i'm okay with that

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I'm totally fine with that i'm the product here too

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and it's fair

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when my project have revenue i can then subscribe to the paid plan

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 9:45 AM

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keen belfry btw google is training the free tier for api and i can't stop it unless i pay an...

you can just it then or the open models

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i think openai knows $5 is not an issue for permanent api users and that there other options from their partners

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:46 AM

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jaunty lake you can just it then or the open models

the open models is not as good as the closed models for big tech open source models like 7b and 30b and stuff like this are nothing compared to gpt or gemini which i belive they are 200b or more

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the grok for twitter is 300b which i can't run at my device

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:47 AM

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jaunty lake i think openai knows $5 is not an issue for permanent api users and that there o...

at least they should make pricing discounts for students that what i'm asking for i'm not saying they just give me everything for free but at least they should think about students also want to learn AI

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$5 is not a small amount for me

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and there is a lot of features i just don't need i don't need gpt4 or vision or anything i just need tiny thing like gpt3-5

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maybe like steam is doing for some games when u buy something in your country it's offered at affordable price that's suitable for that country case

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 9:50 AM

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keen belfry maybe like steam is doing for some games when u buy something in your country it...

in steam its up to game dev and not valve

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but compute power is not the same as a game

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cost of it does not change base where the user is

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:51 AM

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OpenAI have ethical and morals they now are the leading tech giant in AI and it's the founder of AI with Sam altman

making AI accessible for everyone is a great innovation in the tech market and field

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because why not ?

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 9:51 AM

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for that there are openai partners

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:52 AM

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Who ? please don't tell me Microsoft because the openai products there are not usable with free access

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you have to pay also

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and it's the same pricing as openai it's just a different gateway

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 9:52 AM

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microsoft globally and then there are regional partners

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:53 AM

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jaunty lake but compute power is not the same as a game

Nvidia is partner with OpenAI and they have a tons of GPU's i don't think the 3 RPM could cause that big issues for a model like gpt-3.5

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i'm not asking for gpt4 or gpt-4o because those are paid

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also I'm a product as you said before

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they provide me with compute power i provide them with training to make the products better

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so it's not 100% free

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 9:53 AM

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only via chatgpt

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api is fully disconnected from the training system

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:54 AM

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but in chatgpt i can disable training

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in API training is forced to access it

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 9:54 AM

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wrong

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:54 AM

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which is more valuable

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:55 AM

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jaunty lake api is fully disconnected from the training system

they can do it like Google the free plan is allowed to train the products the paid one is not

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 9:55 AM

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they will not

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:56 AM

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I don't think we are agreeing on a single point here because my point of view is in the future in the people that can't afford money to learn AI and it's about innovation

while your point of view is that company is just needs money to run and they don't care about anything but everything should be behind a paywall

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so we both have different opinions and i don't think this gonna change anything on the ground right now

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But at the end as you said i'm the product whether i'm using the chatgpt or the api but each has it's own use cases and servers different types of users , developers that makes the community

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and also something we can't deny that cancelling the free tier will not prevent the abuse it will just reduce it but people don't have money to pay will find ways to access tools like this

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 9:58 AM

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my view as a api user since early 2022 is that openai tried it all and slowly ended to what we have today

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:59 AM

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just imagine a company worth billions and doesn't offer a single free product

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 9:59 AM

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chatgpt is free. api is normally a paid service

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 9:59 AM

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I'm not very good at business and studies like market share and stuff like this but i believe this is not the right thing

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:00 AM

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jaunty lake chatgpt is free. api is normally a paid service

not in 2024

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people losing their jobs they now have to learn how to use and integrate ai so most of people are going towards the tech side

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the dev community is big community as well as end users

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also until now they didn't remove the free plan from the docs if you go to docs it says there is a free tier which is false information

no single announcement about that they cancelled it it's just their

also when you go to playground platform it says you are on the free plan but nothing is actually free that's why i made this topic

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:03 AM

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keen belfry not in 2024

that depends of the product and provider. again openai free credits come from its partners who handle id/business verification etc, eg. $2500 from microsoft or ramp

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microsoft has various student programs

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:03 AM

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jaunty lake that depends of the product and provider. again openai free credits come from it...

the $2500 is different case scenario it's for startups not for individuals

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:04 AM

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jaunty lake microsoft has various student programs

which all is cancelled for ai i think right now it's only misleading information

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they don't even cost themselves a little bit to remove the old information from the docs

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:04 AM

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keen belfry the $2500 is different case scenario it's for startups not for individuals

schools have their own programs, here microsoft has partnered with many and provides students free azure credits. openai models exist in azure

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:05 AM

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jaunty lake schools have their own programs, here microsoft has partnered with many and prov...

That's big for small developers like me want to learn ai my school is not partnered with Microsoft so it doesn't work for me

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smarter people = people who pay

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:06 AM

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keen belfry That's big for small developers like me want to learn ai my school is not partne...

then you have to ask which partners they have or go with the programs that are possible

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:06 AM

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i don't think it's that easy for my college it's not related to tech field anyway

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:07 AM

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now it seems you ignore all other options and only want one thing

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:07 AM

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and this is a 6 month one time program only i guess

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and it's not meant for this use case it's for companies not college students

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:07 AM

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jaunty lake now it seems you ignore all other options and only want one thing

i just want 1 simple easy thing i want openai to be actually open xD

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it should be named "closedAI" not "openAI"

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they stopped releasing any open source models after gpt3 and whisper when they started getting revenue

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:09 AM

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if you only have 6 months then you need to use google, meta or anthropic because openai just recently removed the free program and other stuff

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:09 AM

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on the other hand big techs like meta and google are caring about open source technology

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:09 AM

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use them

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:09 AM

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that technology should not be monopoly and only for specific criteria of people

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:10 AM

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jaunty lake if you only have 6 months then you need to use google, meta or anthropic because...

why they don't say that they removed it ?

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why i'm on the free plan but nothing is free ?

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:11 AM

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as a student you should expand to everything anyways as not all companies use openai

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:11 AM

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yes i know i just wanted to use the gpt models and test them out i mean you said everything that should include openai also i'm not just limited to it but i already using others like google

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but i'm not happy that openai is making everything available for people who pay only

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:12 AM

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keen belfry why they don't say that they removed it ?

the removal, abuse etc was mentioned at twitter by some openai staff member when people asked about it

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:12 AM

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that's not an official announcement i guess

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and weird way of removing stuff and keeping them in docs

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so it's outdated information

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and that's like 2 month ago

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:13 AM

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they removed almost all mentions of trial from docs

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:13 AM

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so for 2 month they didn't remove it ?

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that's weird

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jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:14 AM

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free = people who received credits grants before it was cancelled

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:14 AM

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where is the free trial ? lmao

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:15 AM

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there are still credits that have not expired

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:15 AM

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jaunty lake free = people who received credits grants before it was cancelled

my account is new the program you say was cancelled long time ago

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:15 AM

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jaunty lake there are still credits that have not expired

but new accounts should not be tricked like this as me

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it says free tier and nothing is free :/

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i mean they should change it to "not subscribd " or anything like that

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but it's funny they say i'm on the free plan and i can't use anything

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even the playground is closed

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:16 AM

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they removed the mention of free credits from new accounts so where did you read it or was tricked

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:17 AM

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i read the docs i don't go directly to the other sub pages

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so i believe the docs and the account overview is the first thing anyone could see

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it's one of the main pages

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:17 AM

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so link it where it says you get credits

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:17 AM

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can you tell me why the playground is closed ? it's like chatgpt also if your point is about pressing tabs and logging stuff like this

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so i think i can do the same there

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jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:18 AM

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what does it say at bottom right?

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:18 AM

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jaunty lake what does it say at bottom right?

i told you about that earlier

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:18 AM

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and then behind the link

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:19 AM

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keen belfry I've disabled training and chat history already

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keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:19 AM

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jaunty lake the logging or the usage is not the same

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keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:19 AM

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jaunty lake with chatgpt they even log how long you have the tab active, etc.

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i did exactly the same in chatgpt so there is no difference

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:19 AM

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playground = API

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:20 AM

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the playground is technically a user interface for using the api behind the scene

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if you use the same concept so chatgpt = API too

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chatgpt is using the completions api just exactly like the playground is doing but it's for developers

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at least at least if you don't offer the API and as you said u want to have more training out of me as a value that's your words right up there

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just let me use it in your website

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i'm on the playground website in openai website just like chatgpt i'm no where else

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:21 AM

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you dont understand the difference between model training and usage behavior. the latter does not exist nor is logged in api

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:22 AM

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i'm just learning how can different variables and settings affect the response of the model to learn when i use api what best settings could work for me

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you don't even allow me to do a single request

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:22 AM

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im not from openai

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:22 AM

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jaunty lake you dont understand the difference between model training and usage behavior. th...

your playing with words xD you just said that chatgpt is different from using the api standlone

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now you're saying chatgpt is different from playground

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which is exactly just another variation of chatgpt but it's interface for developers

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:23 AM

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read again what i said

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:23 AM

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jaunty lake the logging or the usage is not the same

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jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:23 AM

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correct

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:24 AM

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jaunty lake you dont understand the difference between model training and usage behavior. th...

model training is disabled in both cases

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get that out of the calculation

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now we are talking about chatgpt and playground which both are openai gui

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:24 AM

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yes MODEL but there are plenty of other usage logged

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:24 AM

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so they can't do that in the playground but they can in chatgpt only ?

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both are UI interfaces what is the difference then ?!

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:25 AM

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you can check yourself via browser console/network, via api calls there is zero info passed about the user, location, ui actions etc

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:26 AM

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well just add it for the free tier like google is doing

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:26 AM

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check all the data chatgpt is sending via network/request view

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:27 AM

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if that's what makes the difference just add it then and give me access

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why as a developer i have to pay and normal user doesn't pay

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if that's the case go ahead and add it that's fine i'm the product as you say

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:27 AM

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api is for business

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:27 AM

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i'm invidual !

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it's for personal use only

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for learning

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not just for business and they have different categories i believe you choose that when you register

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:28 AM

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you are not the target audience

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:28 AM

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when you make a new account you choose if you are a business company with vat id or a just a single user

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:30 AM

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jaunty lake you are not the target audience

tbh i started to feel your biased xD i'm talking about the future of people and how they get affected by AI and a lot of people going towards learning Ai stuff and big tech should support that innovation

all you say is about the company and payments and abuse all these cases other companies can handle it why openai can't they are missing something ?

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our mindsets not gonna agree on one thing

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as well as nothing gonna change after we talk

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so i'm just gonna do some study for my exams

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and thank you for the good talks omgsocute 💗

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:30 AM

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my comments go by what openai docs go with and not by my opinion 😛

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:31 AM

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maybe idk i just felt that xD

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i don't have a lot of money to test the api because i'm studying i'm not working

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i hope if there is a way to test it

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maybe soon they can change the rules

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:32 AM

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by now i could have easily given you $5 to api but its not possible due related to the api abuse

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:33 AM

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i don't understand what is api use ?

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:33 AM

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*abuse

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:33 AM

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someone here told me his gonna give me $20 to subscribe to chatgpt plus and use it to help me in my exams

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but he didn't have a lot of ways to transfer it to me because i don't have paypal account

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and also openai doesn't support paypal payments i told him i give you my account email and password but he refused

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but it's fine i'm not very lucky with this

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sad 🥹 capybarathink 💔.

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:34 AM

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yeah and openai would ban and refund if there is even a single mismatch in acconut/payment

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:34 AM

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jaunty lake by now i could have easily given you $5 to api but its not possible due related ...

but why ? I'm not going to abuse the api

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or you talking about other thing

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are you a moderator in openai ?

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:37 AM

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no im not. i mean i wanted to gift some api credits before to friends directly but its nearly impossible as bad people avoiding sactions/regional blocks etc. so openai has cut off all ways

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:38 AM

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no i don't think you can transfer any credits to anyone

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but thank you so much you thought about this that's really generous from you ❤️

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omgsocute 🥰

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:39 AM

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yeah but you cant make an account for them either as card cant be used on multiple accounts and back then credit card was the only way to pay api

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luckily now debit cards work officially so he can use it

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:40 AM

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there is another way to do that right now but it's okay i'm just using gemini right now 💗

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i really appreciate that anyway

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but just as information if you needed to know that

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:42 AM

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with openai there are hidden traps that can hit back later

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:42 AM

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you don't have to deposit or transfer to them the money into their account you can just make a new Organization in your account and then make a new API key for it and you can add a hard limit of $5 to that as well as your in control to add limits to the model it's using

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this is now leagcy

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:44 AM

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yeah i know the invite and org part but the point was to keep him on his own as else i would be responsible for all the content and payments and mine is used for business too

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:44 AM

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you can create a project and control what it can use or not

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:45 AM

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jaunty lake yeah i know the invite and org part but the point was to keep him on his own as ...

no it's sepratated from your main project

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:45 AM

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account owner is responsible for all the tos policies and payments

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:45 AM

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you don't invite him to the same organization or project you just make a separate one for him and adjust the limits and the credits it can use

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:46 AM

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jaunty lake account owner is responsible for all the tos policies and payments

that's extra detailed right there i feel if there is any issue they will not close the account as whole but instead send u a warning message with the project name that's causing issues so you can shut it down

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if you don't trust your friend usage

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:47 AM

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back then credit system did not exists but still today i dont want to maintain other persons stuff on my account

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:47 AM

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it's really rare that an account can get suspended for the api usage

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because it's moderated by default the models i mean

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:47 AM

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jaunty lake back then credit system did not exists but still today i dont want to maintain o...

yeah that's totally fine

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:47 AM

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there is no auto moderation

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need to manually call it

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:47 AM

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the models are aligned already

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and you have the moderaiton api as well as the user tracking variable

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no i'm not calling about the moderation api i mean the model alignment

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15% of revenue is spent on red teaming and employees and departments helping to align the models with rules and values for law

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maybe you read that in the blog post

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:49 AM

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model will refuse to answer but it does not help when someone asks how to make a bomb or other bad stuff when openai abuse service checks stuff

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openai has been active on banning api accounts vs policy

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:51 AM

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i didn't see this before

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openai has a variable called user

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to keep track of what users abuse your api

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:51 AM

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yes

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:51 AM

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if you offer the api in shape of app you have they can ask it bad stuff but it's not you

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as the owner of the account

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so they not gonna close ur account or ban it because of this

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in the worst case they can message you about that

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but i never seen it before

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as well as most of the models don't even respond to how to make a bomb

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:52 AM

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account owner is responsible for the people who invites and the system is not really meant for friends but B2B

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:52 AM

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or jailbreaks right now it's very hard with the new models so just make sure to use a new model and it's up to date version

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and you won't get into all of that

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:53 AM

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jaunty lake account owner is responsible for the people who invites and the system is not re...

i mean the easiest solution if you feel like you don't want to put yourself into much trouble just give him a gift card of $5

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and then he can use it on his account

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that's easier xD

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there is a good app i'm using right now it's called redot pay it's working with crypto usdt and tether ...etc and it went popular the last months

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you can let anyone have wallet to transfer to you or you can buy credits using binance or other providers or p2p

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and then it gives you a visa card that you buy it for $5

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you can use it literally anywhere

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I've been using it and it's really working great for me because the banks suspended all debit and prepaid cards in my country from paying in foreign currnecies because economy issues

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:55 AM

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yea transferring the money was not the issue but the CC requirement back then, its all good now as he can use it with debit

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:56 AM

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the credit card you get from this app is verified visa so it's working great with all websites and you can use it every where if you used it right then it would have worked

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but if that's not the case now so that's great the issue is resolved

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:57 AM

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openai has blocked virtual cards so they didnt work for api. he had one

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:57 AM

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openai is using stripe as payment gateway

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this type of card is not blocked by stripe

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as well as the app has other option to buy a physical card for extra $5 but it takes time to deliver it to you

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:58 AM

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openai has set custom rules to its stripe api

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 10:58 AM

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i can try it on openai later when i have money and see if it works or not

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but i'm 90% sure it will work

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because it's not virtual gift card or just online card it's visa prepaid

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 10:59 AM

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year ago they banned all revolut cards https://community.openai.com/t/paid-with-revolut-but-not-yet-claimed/110026

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 11:00 AM

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i'm not sure why and if it's still blocked now or not someone at the end of the topic says it's worked on mobile application

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but i don't see any reason to block a card provider if you know that's trusted and doesn't cause any issues

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because if you block these cards as a company your blocking revenue

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 11:01 AM

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black market sellers used them so they blocked multiple virtual card issuers

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 11:02 AM

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i mean who ever is using it but why u block people coming to buy ur products

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a couple dozen of people want to pruchase products so u block them idk

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maybe that was a technical issue right then and they unblocked it later

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however i didn't try out revolut

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i tried this redotpay and it's working great for me with most websites

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and i tried to pay with stripe it worked

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i need to go now do some college work and study because the time is running

jaunty lake May 27, 2024, 11:03 AM

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thumbsup

keen belfry May 27, 2024, 11:03 AM

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it was great talking to you and i hope you have a nice day and thank you for everything 💗

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omgsocute hello

keen belfry May 30, 2024, 2:28 PM

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#announcements my voice was heard thank you <333

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