Memorize by songifying with ChatGPT

[hybrid widget]

If you are strongly opposed to this type of memorization see my message below in this thread: #1080330137372987482 message

**Do you have to memorize something but it's long? Well, maybe you can songify text or a subject using ChatGPT and listen to it on repeat. **You can use text-to-speech tools or maybe better a recording of your own singing (maybe autotuning might help but I do not know how that works)

A drawback is that likely some information will be lost while making a song. Maybe you can ask ChatGPT to add the missing parts to the song, I do not know.

There are two options I can think of :

Option 1: Song from subject

Drawback: ChatGPT is not a trustworthy source of information and might give false information when asking for information about a subject. I do not recommend this option

Example :

make a song about the krebs cycle

Option 2: Song from text

Drawback: ChatGPT text limit. You might have to condense the information first by summarizing parts of the text (for example using ChatGPT )

Note 1: I think ChatGPT is more reliable when you provide the knowledge but I do not know if asking it to make a song makes it more likely to invent false information.

Note 2: You might want to ask it explicitly to make a song from the key points of the text if that is all you want to remember.

Note 3: You can try to make the song in the style of a certain author or famous person/character but be careful as that extra constraint might make it less informative.

Note 4: I removed some of the example text below because of the text limit for a post.

Here I extracted the first paragraph from the Wikipedia page on the Citric acid cycle and asked it to make a song.

Turn the text below to a song :

The citric acid cycle (CAC)—
....
recognized.[

see the output from this prompt in the attached images

[mighty citrus]

This is so wonderful. Thank you so much for this idea.

[hybrid widget]

🙂

[EDIT: Given the strong opinions of some members of this discord regarding this form of memorization, I include here that I do think it's often best when possible or really needed to interiorize concepts rather than simply memorize information. However, there are situations where memorization might be needed.

See the following link for arguments on this matter:

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[proper fractal]

i don't think this is too much of a good idea i mean i appreciate the concept but if remembering a boring thing straight forward is being difficult how would someone remember it with jargons and poetry style

[mighty citrus]

Different people think differently. For me, 'the more I know, the more I can know', for everything links together. Except for a few things that fall out of my head.

Songification, like other forms of gamification, can offer quality hooks.

Really good songification can be done, maybe not by ChatGPT yet but... it can help.

Evo/devo, man! As a biologist... everything in this artful creation was true and mostly new at the time the song was made.

How else to learn hard stuff? It gives the brain more hooks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqReeTV_vk

[somber peak]

Utilisation not memorisation 🙄
also songs are cringe

[hybrid widget]

Hi, the text below is lengthy so you can just check the bold parts if you wish.

ChatGPT's poems tend to be simple, it usually does not introduce complicated vocabulary or jargon that is not part of the subject.

In the pictures given, the complicated vocabulary is from the original text.

The purpose here is to memorize more than to understand. You can also ask it to explain if you would like but it's not the purpose of this post. It is indeed **better to familiarize yourself with the vocabulary prior to memorizing content where that vocabulary is used **. Most people might not have to use this. This is for people that have to remember an extensive amount of knowledge in a short amount of time. Text-to-speech and the patterns in songs can be useful for memorizing texts while away from one's study material.

I know that turning the information into a song can be useful because I heard a story from a friend where if I remember correctly she did well on a medical student exam by turning the Krebs cycle into a song. Knowing her she probably read the text in detail too and understood the mechanics but sometimes it is a lot to remember and visual aids or mnemonics can be useful.

Finally, althought there might be a lot of temptation to state one's opinion in a direct manner, wouldn't you say that it makes the discussion nicer if you ask a question before directly giving an opinion?

Perhaps: "How does poetry style help with remembering difficult jargon ?"

I think this is important for fruitful and tranquil discussions that remain accepting of the different difficulties people might face when learning even those we are not aware of.

[hybrid widget]

hello, can you clarify what you mean by utilization?

Most song lyrics probably look cringe including those from popular songs. Usually, they sound better with some sort of pattern or melodic addition than when they are just read in a plain monotone manner.

If your opinion is that songs are cringe in general, then ok thank you for sharing your opinion I am not sure what the people that read your message are supposed to do with this information.

[proper fractal]

yeah completely agree everyone has different level and method of understanding things i gave mine but i also appreciated it coz it might work for many other people i hope

[hybrid widget]

I personally have not had a situation where I needed to make a song and might never have to but I remember my friend telling me it helped her as a medical student.

I imagine medical students, law students, and maybe music theory students have to remember a lot of information that can not be easily deduced from logic or simple mental models

[hybrid widget]

I am not sure the songs even need to be that good if the purpose is memorization.

As long as there are patterns in the song it might be enough.

My concern is more about how easy it is to get ChatGPT to add information that you want into a song where that information is missing.

That is perhaps the key factor in determining whether this is a practical tool for learning.

Maybe as the poem/song grows longer one would have to consider making separate songs for another section/theme as chat GPT might struggle adding more information

[mighty citrus]

I find memorization easy.

I would be using its ideas for songs to understand and hopefully hook the concepts that just want to fall out of my head, over and over.

That I can memorize as words, but not meaning, that jumble and won't fit in my head to stay.

And yes, the songs don't have to be good for my purpose either, though it would likely help 😛

[hybrid widget]

It could be interesting to ask ChatGPT to extract keypoints from text and then turn it into a song. I might add that to the post.

[mighty citrus]

That would be great for me, but the subtle concepts too, for me

I struggle with learning programming, I'll experiment with this to see if it helps me understand better

[hybrid widget]

Which language are you learning if I may ask? I am currently experimenting with a top-to-bottom approach to learning web development with someone that has no prior experience in coding.

I personally had a classical formal education in coding but I am not sure that's the best approach when you just want to develop code and are not interested in inventing new algorithms. I imagine it's nice to have some interesting projects in mind to experiment with (some things you would like to have or to automatize), ask chatgpt to provide some code, and then check what each bit means using websites like w3schools or one of the websites with online courses.

But I do think a proper full course on some areas of interest might be helpful.

[mighty citrus]

Any I can? maybe C#. I'm dyslexic with programing, it falls from my head.

[ornate void]

I want a computer desktop background picture, I hope it is a Chinese painting, with mountains, water, boats and fishermen fishing

[hybrid widget]

Interesting choice. If you are willing to pick any then generally python is recommended for beginners but maybe you have a use case in mind for using C#.

More difficult languages are also sometimes recommended so that learning other languages becomes easier.

If you want to become a software engineer then maybe it is case-dependent which one you should take to start. If you mainly want to be able to build things for yourself then I think people mostly recommend python and/or javascript.

Personally, I have no plan on learning C#. My impression is that it's mainly for Windows apps althought it seems like it is used for other things as well. The benefit of python is that the language is fairly clean, and fairly easy to use and you can avoid coding some stuff by installing commonly used python modules on github/pypi.

[mighty citrus]

Thank you. I have no strong preference. I'm that clueless. I appreciate your suggestions.

[hybrid widget]

ok you might be interested in playing with python in an online course where you can play with code online. Typical recommended websites are (among probably many others) :

• w3schools ( you can generally play with the code here and it's usually fairly easy code)

• codecademy (I did not really try)

• udemy (I did not really try and I think courses are often not free here but I am not sure)

-freecodecamp (I did not really try)

[mighty citrus]

I continue to appreciate your advice, and ChatGPT and I shall provide many educational code songs in your honor, I hope! 🙂

[hybrid widget]

🙂

[somber peak]

Memorisation (in this format) is useless because you aren't be productive with it. All you're doing is remembering the words, not the concepts behind them.

[mighty citrus]

Hehe. Nope! You don't have the power to tell me I fail, when you don't even understand me.

You may not be able to use this method. But humans are often very neurodivergent. We're different from each other.

And we learn in different ways, through different techniques.

You can accurately say "I don't see how this could work."

But you can't say anyone else isn't productive with it. Or if that other person can or can't learn concepts through this method.

[somber peak]

That isn't even directly arguing against my argument. My argument was that simply memorising a song is only memorising the words. Instead, you ranted about 'different learning techniques' which is irrelevant. This is not about the type of technique, but the EFFECTIVENESS.

[somber peak]

You digressed from the topic just so you could boost your ego and rant about how "you can't control me" "don't force me" even though NO ONE DID, and you're just personalizing words for the sake of being the victim

[hybrid widget]

Hi, I think I understand your opinions and skepticism but it **depends on the purpose and the constraints for memorizing **in the first place.

** If **you are studying math or maybe learning business or something where :

1. There is an underlying logic to learn with a reasonable number of key definitions that can be placed into a few mental models.

2. You have a source and a way to get clean and clear information about the subject

3. You have a reason to need to learn the concepts and relationships long term

4. You have the time to learn it

then yes I agree with you it's often better to interiorize the concepts as they will last for long periods of time. However, this is not always the case. Sometimes you have an extensive amount of pure data to remember that you might need to use for a test or for a use case.

Examples might include:

• medical students studying for a test (a friend of mine did this AFTER understanding the key concepts and it helped her retain the information until the exam)

• maybe lawyers/judges that have to retain laws and information on an individual for a court case (maybe they just rely on notes)

• a presentation where you plan on forgetting the information later anyway and just want to memorize some data to answer questions.

• acting

• learning rules that might look arbitrary like maybe music theory (I do not know music theory I am guessing) or sometimes maybe chemistry until they explain the quantum mechanics behind

These are situations where people have to rely on things like mnemonics, inventing a story, inventing a memory palace, or inventing a song

It's fine not seeing what something might be useful for but saying right away that something is useless can lead to :

• losing an opportunity to discuss and maybe learn
• create conflict in particular with groups that you might implicitly disregard and that might be systematically disregarded

[hybrid widget]

I think I understand your opinions and skepticism but please ask questions, remain peaceful, and respect the diversity of people including the groups you might not even be aware of.