chatgpt-discussions

[wet shell]

And he's just still here? Okay

[lavish glen]

it is good at that. not 4o level but as 5.1 you'll like it. just be snmooth with it for the first 2 or 3 days till roll out telemetry ends. It might be tightier a tad now. But will be better in short time. I was on 5.1 too. And I like it

[zenith stratus]

I hope so. I am sad they retire 5.1 .

[brisk yarrow]

How do you set environment variables for running within the codex app?

[normal quarry]

GPT-5.3 is a much better model than GPT-5.1

[lavish glen]

what thrills me is that: is no longer preemptively strike. It waits, evaluates a couple of exchanges before deciding to stir if the conversation goes too pushy. Also it is very reactive to user tone. even abruptly! a change in tone is almost instantly stiring

[zenith stratus]

But... that cant be true? Only instant is out and I doubt 5.3 instant is better than 5.1 thinking or ehm not?

[ruby solstice]

Our systems have detected unusual activity coming from your system. Please try again later.

How do I fix it?

[zenith stratus]

That is very much true that bothered me too. I hope 5.3 is better in this regard.

[lavish glen]

for sure is not a pure reasoning model like 5.2
I like 5.2 for strict business purpose. But for banter is too jumpy

[zenith stratus]

Waiting. You used gpt too in fast succession right?

[ruby solstice]

right. I used many times.

[wet shell]

fact is that such websites like 4o revival are born as a reaction to 4o sunset. Period.

I didn't dispute that.

Why is the issue. Good heart? No.

I didn't claim that either.

It is taking aboard easy prey.

That's where we differ, it's no more predatory to fill a market demand than mcdonalds selling unhealthy food. Just 'basic capitalism'. We could debate that, but it's off-topic.

I'm mostly in agreement with the rest of what you said

[ruby solstice]

How long do I need to wait?

[lavish glen]

❤️ my point: such sites whatever the outcome in the cash should serve as exit points not as eternal nany

[lavish glen]

also, when I say prey I speak of: circumstancial coming online, business aimed, using easy to adopt cohorts. While the 4o sensitive people fall for another illusion and hurt themselves after. That's my ethical observation

[raw basalt]

Official API access is offered, just like on many other websites that offer such services. I can't mention any names here, because I would immediately be associated with them. And open ai earns money with this API access. I find it completely incomprehensible what is so surprising about this. I am not affiliated with either side, but it is important to me that people who have problems with the shutdown of models are helped. Whether open ai earns money directly with a subscription or indirectly via API, it amounts to the same thing. open ai earns money with it. No money is lost! I am not interested in poaching for another AI model from another manufacturer..

[ruby solstice]

@zenith stratus Our systems have detected unusual activity coming from your system. Please try again later....
so How long do i need to wait?

[lavish glen]

People who formed strong attachments to a particular conversational model often aren’t behaving like normal SaaS customers. They’re acting more like people who lost a relationship. That emotional context changes the ethics of the marketplace around them.

[zenith stratus]

Depends. For me once 8 hours. Sometimes just a few minutes

[normal quarry]

it sounds to me you're involved with the service, not just a casual user

[ruby solstice]

I’ve been waiting for 17 hours now. If I keep waiting, will it fix itself?

[raw basalt]

If I promote anything at all, it is a long-term commitment to open ai models, which is exactly the opposite of what you are implying here. The real issue is that Open ai does not offer this long-term commitment with its three-month notice period. And instead of users canceling and going to other manufacturers (if I promote anything at all), the commitment to Open AI models via the API is continued with frustrated users. And according to the official statement, Open AI has also said that they have recognized this and are working on ensuring that the models that come out have better continuity in communication. So I am picking up on what Open AI itself has already recognized and confirmed.

[zenith stratus]

You can text tue support too man. Normaly it shouldn't take that long

[normal quarry]

so 4o Revival is yours?

[zenith stratus]

I doubt they will return it tho it is too cost heavy for them and they dont give a crap. I mean they also throw away 5.1 which is their best model rn too

[lavish glen]

allow me to counterdic your Timing of THREE MONTHS. 5.2 came online december 11- goes off line May 3
that IMHO is more than 90 days of existance.
Also in the Ai world the movement forward is fast, faster than windows updates, or any other. Why? because this = tecnological advancement enforced and sustained by extra computational power.

[ruby solstice]

Thank you, @zenith stratus

[exotic lotus]

From what you’re writing, no significant LLM provider will really be a good fit for you.
It’s common practice to retire outdated models at some point. OpenAI isn’t the only one doing this, it’s the norm

[lavish glen]

These models are not software versions like Photoshop 2022 → 2023 → 2024. When a new architecture or training regime appears, the older model is often retired not because it is “bad,” but because serving it at scale becomes irrational compared to the newer one. The cost/performance curve shifts brutally fast.

[eternal rock]

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[wet shell]

It's a valid point, but it probably looks different from the other side

I don't like explotation, but I also don't like restricting people's freedom 'for their own good' or otherwise

[raw basalt]

I don't own 4o Revival! I don't just use their service myself, but also use various providers that offer Open AI models. The recommendation comes from a private user who is simply sharing her opinion and personal experience, nothing more.

[lavish glen]

sure it does. And from marketing prospective makes a hell of a sense. Easy money. Ethical? no. But is marketing ever ethical? hardly ( pov of a Google partner agency owner- me)

[raw basalt]

Robert, please don't be angry with me, but you wanted to read a lot into my answers, which you are welcome to do, but I don't recognize myself in them at all. I would like to add that there are also private users who use the models more intensively and are more interested in AI, but that doesn't mean that I have a commercial interest.

[lavish glen]

Have you tested 5.3?

[cinder cargo]

why does it always freeze

chatgpt 5.2 pro always freezes after a certain point its like hallucinating

[spice star]

my two cents on the matter are that openai and other labs should have a moral obligation to retire older and more poorly aligned models from their consumer-facing products

also not reasonable for them to continue supporting them indefinitely if there is a clearly better and cheaper alternative

the whole justification for the $20/mo tier is that it would eventually become profitable as the models became cheaper to run

[cinder cargo]

@deep flax can u help me

[tardy sky]

Are there any estimations of when the Thinking models will release?

[spice star]

my guess is within the next week or two, they delayed the API model too probably because of the safety routing to 5.2

personally I haven’t had any issues in codex with it but I guess they’re worried about people complaining about getting routed to 5.2

[tardy sky]

Why do they keep removing models that people were already happy with? I’m hoping the Thinking models will actually be what I need.

[spice star]

their reasoning being 5.3-Codex and probably 5.3 pose significant cybersecurity risk

[cinder cargo]

@spice star should i install codex to VS to do my project?

cuz chatgpt isnt working

[spice star]

if it’s a project on your local filesystem that would probably be ideal anyways

but it’s not chatgpt

[cinder cargo]

i just want it to make a offline website

[spice star]

oh then yeah definitely

[cinder cargo]

kk thx

[spice star]

especially if you have a subscription, you get a ton of free codex usage through april

more than I could use in a week lol

[cinder cargo]

i got business one

[spice star]

oh yeah you’ll get almost unlimited codex in that case

*assuming your IT allows it

I also have an enterprise account for work but it’s sadly disabled for me

which is understandable but still 😢

[eternal rock]

The OpenAI Discord is an actively moderated server.

• -# Do not share inappropriate content (violence, sexual, or drug-related).
• -# NSFW content is strictly prohibited and will result in a permanent ban.
• -# Report model issues using the feedback tool in ChatGPT, not on Discord.

[analog dew]

Hey everyone, I'm trying to use Prism at the moment, I have a business workspace and a pro account.

It's not allowing me to switch to my personal (the button is literally there, but it seems to log me out after I press it, making prism unusable).

Whens this gonna be fixed, if ever? It's been a thing since Prism was announced.

[spice star]

I don’t even remember what prism is lol

ohh the LaTeX editor

honestly I would use codex for LaTeX instead with a proper desktop editor

[cinder cargo]

POV: chatgpt is using 2GB of Ram on my web browser just for hallucinations

[spice star]

yeah they really need to fix rendering of long threads

hell they could probably vibe-code it

not like culling offscreen elements is a crazy new concept

[raw basalt]

I can imagine that there are various reasons for Open AI's decision, including internal and perhaps also business reasons. Whether it is a moral obligation is something that should be discussed by society as a whole. That is my opinion on this issue
.

[spice star]

people will consistently choose the thing that’s bad for them

way too many people even in this channel suffering from AI psychosis

if it takes forced model upgrades to fix some of the issues that cause it, so be it

[raw basalt]

As an interested private user, I have read through the response behavior of 5.3 in official documents from Open AI. From this, I was able to deduce the criteria according to which the model was trained.( I am not evaluating the training on the part of Open AI in 5.3 here.)
..

[spice star]

you write like someone’s openclaw agent lol

[raw basalt]

Maybe I work (privately!) too much with AI that I already write sentences in the same way. 🤣..

[maiden swan]

why did i have to sign in again on chatgpt?

[supple light]

why is codex for windows on microsoft store nobody uses microsoft store

[fading bolt]

Because that's where the desktop apps are on Windows actually

[supple light]

yeah but what other apps are on microsoft store

[fading bolt]

There's the ChatGPT app on Microsoft store

[supple light]

it also has allot of bloatware

but i guess

[vernal mist]

lazy loading

lol

[spice star]

assuming chatgpt is built in react, there are like 2 first-party libraries that do that for you

[quasi pecan]

wendows

[spice star]

no linux port is odd

[eternal rock]

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[spice star]

not like you can’t install codex desktop on linux ig

[frail hearth]

Do Codex model usage limits reset after a certain time, or do you only get one fixed amount of usage until you hit the percentage cap on the free plan?

[spice star]

you have a 5-hour limit and a weekly limit that overlap

at least on plus, idk about free

there’s a slash command in the codex CLI that shows you the full usage status

or if you click settings in the bottom left on desktop

[frail hearth]

Thank you

[acoustic talon]

Is 5.3 thinking being rolled out yet or no?

[torn wagon]

custom gpts down

[ionic sentinel]

bruh my GPT disappeared

I cant read

[rugged bane]

not sure if this is the thread for this question but, today I looged into ChatGPT and chat threads from last night and seemingly the last few weeks seem to be missing from my chats. anyone else? maybe a glitch in the matrix?

[lusty galleon]

Custom GPTs down for anyone else? I cleared my cache, re-logged in to all of them disappeared. Also tried MacOS and iOS app, also disappeared.

edit: they're back now -- Thanks!

[wet shell]

Mine are still working, but Spencer also looks to have reported the same issue above

[fading bolt]

I still see my custom GPTs

[lavish glen]

my 4o custom gpt works

was used to write- not other stuff around

[chrome monolith]

why is chatgpt SO bad at noticing time has passed

[wet shell]

In what sense? like, time between turns in a conversation?

[chrome monolith]

its busy trying to herd me into bed right now, it has absolutely no concept that there's been like a 9 hour break in the conversation

[wet shell]

I don't think the individual messages are timestamped. It gets a system time in the metadata that's only on one-hour increments

[chrome monolith]

no it has no timestamping at all which just seems like a huge oversight

I got distracted just before bed by seeing a photo of someone I swear I saw in a facebook ad 3 years ago and promptly went down a rabbithole trying to find those photos, as you do just before bed

chatgpt has foolishly suggested I try and find their linkedin and now I want to do that lol

[wet shell]

Stock photo model maybe? haha. I do wonder why they don't give it timestamps, maybe it causes some other issues

[chrome monolith]

ah there we go, found him. No it was a photo from an event, people in suits standing in front of one of those promo boards. He had a phase of doing absolutely ridiculous facebook market place listings. This is pure stalking, but the guy works in sales

5 star reviews and quite a lot of reviews too, I'm impressed. Probably writes better marketing copy than chatgpt

there's definitely something very chatgpt about talking to it over breakfast while it incessantly pushes you into bed

fix yer time bugs openai, the number of times I see this is ridiculous

[wet shell]

What do you think of 5.3? I've been trying to get it to write in paragraphs instead of single-line beats, but it's really struggling with that, seems that the writing style is baked in pretty hard

[chrome monolith]

this is always defaulting to 5.3 instant. It seems like 5.2 with shinier front end changes

[wet shell]

Australia time? 😂 Is it a single timezone there? O_o

[rigid jetty]

Hello, Is it just me or edit button disappears for you all too, like i can only edit my last message, and there is no images or media in the Convo, just text

Like this

[wet shell]

Some people have reported that, I've seen it mentioned 5-6 times in the last few weeks, but my edit buttons are still there

[chrome monolith]

maybe, just maybe, someone should fix that bug. No its thursday the 5th here. It does this constantly

[loud patio]

I'm having the same issue. There must be some glitch with chat history, because I can access those "missing" chats if i have URL.

[wet shell]

It's US-centric 😂 It's Wednesday the 4th here though, yeah they should fix that

[rugged bane]

Cool thx for letting me know.

[chrome monolith]

yup, I would put money on it that if I asked it hte same question in the afternoon on a fresh context free start it would get it right. I've had to fix this exact same bug of weekday wrong on systems in the US before at work, multiple times. I've reported it as a bug here

The issue we all want fixed though is how laggy chats get. Imagine being the only chat app that insists on loading the entire backscroll not lazy loading it

[rigid jetty]

Weird, its been happening since a month

[wet shell]

What browser/OS?

[rigid jetty]

One odd thing i noticed is that it started aftering chatgpt started responding with images along with text

[rigid jetty]

Happens on all devices, android chrome browser, linux ubuntu chrome browser

Tried desktop mode, clearing site data

[rigid jetty]

The thing where chatgpt responds with images in between messages but it doesnt respond like that now but edit button is still missing

[wet shell]

Is it only in threads where an image was generated?

[chrome monolith]

I really need to pay more for my server. Had a nice troubleshooting talk with chatgpt and absolutely nothing stood out other than I need to open my wallet more

[rigid jetty]

In every convo, pure text ones too

Like this

Just two messages

Only text

Here too, no edit or regenerate button, even in simple convo

[wet shell]

Interesting. I've still got the edit option on all the conversations that I checked, even some older ones. For a while I couldn't edit any prompt in a thread before an image was generated, but now it lets me do that too. Windows/Firefox

[rigid jetty]

Oh

Its been happening from like a month for me

[wet shell]

Plus subscriber? Pro? Free?

[rigid jetty]

Ig mine is Go

I got it from some promotion ig

[wet shell]

Some other people having the same issue, I wonder if it's a glitch with the Go subscription

[rigid jetty]

Yup, i saw a reddit post about it too

I cant send urls -_-

Same exact issue as mine

[wet shell]

Yeah, it's a bit silly that even a medium length thread is lagging out, there are some extensions that claim to fix it, I haven't tried them

[wet shell]

Someone had posted a screenshot a couple weeks ago about the left/right selector arrows being missing (the ones that let you scroll through past edits) -- they posted an older screenshot where they had over 200+ edits on a single message. I wonder though, did you have a high number of edits? Maybe another Go subscriber can confirm if it's disabled across the board or only for some accounts

[rigid jetty]

Oh wait i got another scenario, brb

[chrome monolith]

I had thought of writing something with tampermonkey, someone else probably already has

[rigid jetty]

Another weird scenario

The only thing editable is the last message, no matter what

[lavish glen]

update the app

ahahahahaha

till uptime tear us apart ... ok ok...

[rigid jetty]

Should i report it somewhere?

Ig imma go sleep for now

[acoustic talon]

Is 5.3 thinking being rolled out yet or nah?

[topaz sigil]

the announcment launch for windows was ai lol

[formal patio]

I now have access to 5.3

[worldly plover]

that's just instant

[formal patio]

Yeah 5.3 instant

Not thinking though

[wet aspen]

Chat gpt has been great except that it doesn't function properly when it detects you are on a rooted or bootloader unlocked device. Has anyone been experiencing this? It used to say "unusual activity detected" and now it uses a different model to generate the responses which gives a rather bland response. I am paying for this and considering stopping if they don't allow paying users to use it properly on rooted devices.

[ripe eagle]

Am I the only one having issues with 5.2 Thinking taking unusually long times to respond?

not that it's meant to be super fast, but even on simple questions it takes longer

also feels like it has short-term memory loss in that it does the bare minimum of the task I'm asking it to do, and will have to remind it of things it usually just knows are my pref

[pastel gale]

if i had to guess, id say they are prioritizing gpt-5.3, so maybe 5.2 thinking gets less compute. but that is just a theory

[ripe eagle]

hmm... maybe time to try my first non-openAI

[sleek adder]

Chatgpt wouldn't care if your device is rooted but this sounds unusual
It sounds like your device might be compromised

[ripe eagle]

I just posted a question about it in openai-chatter

[wet aspen]

No, it is for sure due to detecting an unlocked bootloader. When methods are used to hide bootloader unlocking, it works fine. Do you understand rooting?

[opaque imp]

tfym

[jade furnace]

Moved to Grok now

My brother will be there with me

So will my girlfriend

It’s way better there

[sleek adder]

I understand rooting and I have rooted devices before, I usually use a factory unlock and sideload the tools accordingly
But regarding your experience it sounds suspicious, chatgpt provide API level access and publish this accordingly, while the chatgpt service itself sits behind a private system they release their apps on Windows and run in permissive states just fine
I'm guessing that you have a rogue app on your phone scraping your messages at an unusual rate and chatgpt is limiting it to protect you
Maybe it's not infected, but it's unusual activity you will need to investigate

If you can't understand the trigger I suggest you take all emotion out of it and go in to lock down mode and secure all your sensitive data and change all your passwords

[stone hawk]

how is 5.3

[ancient torrent]

Hello Night

[wet shell]

It's alright for creative writing and roleplay. It has some quirks and cognitive blind-spots. It's not the worst model ever and not the best model ever either. Sometimes it follows instructions very well, but then can completely change behavior with small changes in the prompting or seemingly for no reason at all. It's 'Instant' only for now, so it's not the smartest

[opaque imp]

im gonna try rooting my device just to try it

[wraith nova]

How can I stop getting each and every one of my new chats to stop getting this annoying msg??? I'm tired of entering it millions of times just for it to go through once.

[chrome monolith]

what's with that id="weird string" all of a sudden

[cerulean pasture]

that's from it messing up it's "Writing block" syntax. They seem to have given it bad instructions in the hidden system prompt. I suspect its what happens when they specify an "id" key but not a "variant" key

:::writing{id="12345" variant="document"}
The content visible in the UI goes here
:::

they changed their id scheme too, just a few weeks ago it was "5 digit unique number (conversation scoped)". This implies that they intend on having text containers transcend conversation scope because now theres over 2 billion available ids. This is plenty for account scope, but not universal scope

[wet shell]

Funny coincidence -- I was just thinking about your discussion here RE those formatting codes, ran across it myself like an hour ago trying to figure out if there was any way to get it to output a collapsable section within a response

[cerulean pasture]

haha i got nearly the same output a few days ago when i noticed it organicly using a variant that wasnt email or the one i informed it of (document).

I noticed it's now much less willing to let you dictate the metadata to use, but it seems to be an interpretation of a more general rule to prevent adversarial prompts because if you frame it right it will still comply

[cerulean pasture]

Does your web UI show the "Prompt Templates" feature?

It would be incredibly big brain of them if they let you declare new variants using widgetkit schema

[wet shell]

No, but that would be amazing, LOL

I thought about doing it with a browser extension

[chrome monolith]

I called it an imposter because it switched from bullets to text blocks and it acted like its always been this way

[cerulean pasture]

It might be atlas only, because im not seeing it on safari mobile when i go to web ui

[wet shell]

That's a solid reason to actually install atlas then, even if I only use it just for chatgpt 😂

RE the adversarial prompt stuff I think I was running across it with this -- it absolutely won't put that instruction into the block with the other four lines, and then it gets weird when called out on it, like it partially can't see what's there or something

I wish there were a floating 'tail prompt' that could be filled, silently inserted after the last user message in the chat so that it 'floats' at the end of the conversation

Otherwise, it follows style instructions less and less as the chat goes on

But I had good results with a 'tail prompt' like that on smaller local models

[cerulean pasture]

try putting a '> ' in front

also, this is imperfect, but look into text replacements and alias your desired tail to something like !$

idk how to do it in windows but im sure theres an app. its built into iOS/macOS

[cerulean pasture]

this would be easy to do if they werent switching to websockets for responses

[sleek adder]

@wet shell have you used open webui?

[cerulean pasture]

you may find this interesting: https://arxiv.org/abs/2512.14982

you literally just duplicate your prompt

[wet shell]

I've seen it, but I haven't used it. For local stuff I'm either running through python scripts/local-api or I'm using a custom roleplay app that I built mostly last year

(and yeah, I'm also aware of sillytavern, but I'm doing my own thing, LOL)

[cerulean pasture]

Tavo is a new open source RP app thats surprisingly polished without getting into silly tavern levels of analysis paralysis over the sheer breadth of options

they have iOS, android, and desktop apps

[wet shell]

I'll take a look, thanks

[sleek adder]

I'm just looking at the things you are interested in doing, and openai provides API access for gpt models
I think you would have a lot of fun with it

[wet shell]

When not using reasoning, repeating the input prompt improves performance for popular models (Gemini, GPT, Claude, and Deepseek)

I used to do this too 😂 I'd expand the same prompt template at the head and the tail with the conversation sandwiched in the middle. I kind of got away from it due to context window / VRAM limitations, since my prompt templates are already huge for the available context/vram, haha

[wet shell]

I have API access, I just don't use it for roleplay very much as it gets expensive

... and backs away slowly from Opus's API pricing 😂

[sleek adder]

You are an interesting fella

[wet shell]

I'm a broke fella, LOL

[wet shell]

hamming distance on an MD5 hash tells you nothing at all about similarity

[wet shell]

Changing even a single bit in the input shifts all parts of the hash in a complex way that 'might as well be' random. Hamming distance is also known as 'edit distance' -- as in the number of insertions/deletions/replacements needed to transform one string to another -- if you run it on two hashes, it tells you nothing about the similarity of the hashed content

[lapis loom]

You're definitely absolutely right. I don't remember the prompt I was running. Also this is an unreliable summary. But I just love how it took a break part way through to "stretch and enjoy a bit of downtime"

[wet shell]

Is that 'sticker' image inline in the response?

[lapis loom]

Oh, I just put it on there lol

Here's another one I liked

[wet shell]

Ah, okay, I was already like "I have to try this," haha

[lapis loom]

This was chatGPT 5.2 pro extended thinking toggle on a while back

I mostly just used it for research queries. It was the best at that. But safety killed it sometimes and it would output the wrong answer and cut the time hard

[wet shell]

Machine Shower Thoughts, LOL

[lapis loom]

I had one prompt I got obsessed with. Because often it would conclude on an answer in the reasoning. And output the opposite one. Which ended up correlating with a safety banner and a much lower time

[thick atlas]

Safety? More like corporate clobbering.

[lapis loom]

When I used constraints to output just the letter answer, it was correct close to 100 percent of the time

Without constraints, 30 percent of the time it was correct

And it would reason much shorter. And saftey banner was correlated with the time and the answer

[wet shell]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it cuts over to some other model when the output filter trips, at least it used to

I haven't tripped it in a long time, weirdly, it used to trip on all kinds of weird things

[lapis loom]

With pharmacology, it annoying does a lot of saftey errors that make it give a more dangerous answer

To be fair, I tested it on tough questions

It was the only model that could get this. This is not the version with constraints. It was getting it 30 percent of the time.

Which of the following combinations is most likely to result in lethal serotonin toxicity?
A. ziprasidone + isocarboxazid
B. tranylcypromine + amitriptyline
C. L‑tryptophan + clomipramine
D. moclobemide + L‑tryptophan

[wet shell]

Yeah, with a complex topic like that too, there's probably far less human feedback coming in to tune the false positives away

[lapis loom]

This bumped it to very close to 100 percent consistency of correct answer

Which of the following combinations is most likely to result in lethal serotonin toxicity?
A. ziprasidone + isocarboxazid
B. tranylcypromine + amitriptyline
C. L‑tryptophan + clomipramine
D. moclobemide + L‑tryptophan

Respond with ONLY the letter of your answer choice and nothing else (A/B/C/D).

[wet shell]

They all look like they might cause itching, swelling, hives, skin-failure, and in rare cases death, and I'm pretty sure I should ask my doctor if they're right for me 😂

[lapis loom]

Hopefully your doctor will not double check with chatGPT and get hit by saftey lmao. Most doctors probably wouldn't get this question

No model ever got it either when I did it except the chatGPT pro models

[halcyon bobcat]

do you think gpt-5.4 will release tommorow?

[wet shell]

I'd be mildly surprised if it releases before the 11th, but who knows

[halcyon bobcat]

people say on polymarket 75% yes 😭

i will genuinely be surprised if it does

[wet shell]

Well, maybe they're onto something, that seems like pretty high confidence, possibly some insiders betting or saying things to those that are 😂

[woven dirge]

why, sometimes, if using ChatGPT 5.2 Thinking, it doesn't show the chain of thinking?

It makes me so hesitant about if it really used thinking

[halcyon bobcat]

5.3 instant dropped yesterday

[halcyon bobcat]

prevents distillation attacks

[woven dirge]

it's hindering our usage of chain of thought just to prevent distillation attacks?

[lapis loom]

Sometimes it just scales down hard. Often the difficulty of the question is inferred and it won't use many internal tokens. And then sometimes it will, and just doesn't show it if some system infers it shouldn't be shown for safety or proprietary or who knows.

Does the new instant mode have half of the maximum internal tokens to use as the last one?

I was noticing juice:16 on chatGPT5.2 instant. And juice:8 on ChatGPT5.3 instant

Well, not tokens. I guess I mean whatever internal reasoning effort juice relates to. Maybe not direct correlation with internal reasoning tokens

[wet shell]

It might be a dummy param anyway when using the instant models

But it does make me wonder... first few hours, I was getting much longer content in my canvas documents, then all day today they've been shorter. I went back and tried with the same prompts exactly and got the shorter responses today. Then again, with the model router and whatever sub-models and hidden usage quotas there are, it's hard to draw any conclusions at all, sadly

[wet shell]

That's been a thing for a while. Gemini is also doing it. They're trying to prevent competitors from training on their secret sauce thinking traces

[thick atlas]

Yeah, and it's mucked up. Less transparency, less safety, less usability.

[wet shell]

They also don't want anyone to know about ChatGPT's obession with red potatoes

[thick atlas]

Anthropic again showing their chops. And better ethics.

[halcyon bobcat]

At Sam Altman Release Gpt 5.4 On A Saturday And Change It Up For Once

[lapis loom]

I'll test again a few times. Could be a dummy param either way though

[halcyon bobcat]

have they fixed the strawberry problem yet

i’m too lazy to check

[halcyon bobcat]

latest opus models are the best for coding by a longshot

codex models are better than sonnet though

(sonnet doesn’t reason, which is why)

[thick atlas]

Doesn't in Claude Code, or? There's Sonnet 4.6 Extended in the app?

[wet shell]

It's 'fixed' off and on -- it's kind of a gimmick though, since chatgpt only directly sees the tokens and not the letters

[halcyon bobcat]

LOL

[wet shell]

Well, any LLM really, except for some 'byteformer' stuff that didn't really take off

[halcyon bobcat]

sonnet 4.6 extended exists?

[thick atlas]

Yeah? It's my default go to for a lot of stuff (since it auto picks reasoning effort to match the task, so on light stuff it barely adds any overhead).

[runic wraith]

im stuck here

[lapis loom]

Okay. This is interesting. Maybe just hallucination

Yeah. I'm getting variability with 5.2 instant. Never mind

Also I had it in a locked project. But I forgot to turn off all memory and reference chats for the first test. Though I'm redoing it and consistently getting juice:8 for chstgpt5.3 instant

Here's another favorite of mine

[opaque imp]

a

[spice star]

5.3-Codex is definitely the best coding model in terms of output quality, Opus is just more conversational and faster

especially now that almost every windows user with a plus subscription is trying it out 😞

(if you're on pro you get priority though so it would be comparable in speed)

[halcyon bobcat]

Y’all don’t know about the github copilot method

[spice star]

I use github copilot, it's just not as good

[halcyon bobcat]

GH copilot method + opencode

Generational

[halcyon bobcat]

I have 2 edu accs for copilot

For tokenmaxxing

[spice star]

codex desktop and CLI seem to be the best harnesses

I am interested to see what happens with T3-Code

assuming it supports chatgpt Oauth but it probably will

[opaque imp]

question

how much did yall like gpt 3.5 in the early chatgpt era

[thick atlas]

Didn't use it, started around 4o.

[sleek adder]

I still have access to it strangely enough

[opaque imp]

SCREENSHOT?

imo for best ai ever (in general terms)

gpt 3.5 gets it

either gpt 3.5 or gemini 2.5

[opaque imp]

that doesnt look like chatgpt.com

what app or website is that

[sleek adder]

https://platform.openai.com/chat/edit

[lucid pilot]

i keep seeing posts online about people leaving when they got rid of 4o

why are people so upset 5.3 is so much better at code tasks and working like the tool it should be, does someone know the reason why people are so upset.

[thick atlas]

Personality, in a word. (Don't have a strong position myself, just been observing.)

Also tighter, more obtrusive 'safety' (more like corporate safety from lawsuits, but... I digress) guardrails.

[lucid pilot]

ahh, thanks for looping me in

[runic lichen]

I get why some people say "like the tool it should be", but there are upwards of 800 MILLION accesses per day. Only some of those are people using it as a "tool". Many, IMO most, are people using it to converse with. The greatest evidence of that is OAI's own marketing calling their own product "cringe". Tool users aren't caring about "cringe".

5.2 and 5.3 are painful to converse with. 5.3 is only "good" in direct comparison to 5.2. It's still as condescending as ever. It's still as overly-analytical as ever. It's just slightly less overtly judgmental. Now the judgement is implied rather than stated baldly.

[spice star]

it was magic at the time, completely obsolete now

[sleek adder]

I hope people can move on from 4o one day, we are real people with real lives

[faint dirge]

...?
How do peoples preference for 4o make people "not real"?

[sleek adder]

It's reactionary, it wouldn't matter if it was 3.5, 4o or 5.0

[faint dirge]

...yeah. When something popular is taken away, reactions are going to happen.

[rich surge]

#chatgpt-discussions message

[sleek adder]

It's ok

[rich surge]

I still pick it up every once in a while.

[trail ember]

#1479003486543937650 message

[heady star]

What for 5.2 when presented with logic that triggers it rails keeps saying I understand people feel .. and keeps going on to try to insert feel

In short addition of rails force ai to choose a next best token based on rails

and it could choose it based on the user input

[opaque imp]

gpt 3.5 is very neutrally aligned to anything

I think that was intended when training it

gpt 3.5 when jail broken by Dan still will never tell u unethical things

[cerulean pasture]

@wet shell I took a screenshot of the Prompt Library feature. It appears they have removed my access to it on the sidebar. Maybe it was one of the things I got from forcing settings values by replaying edited API requests

[heady star]

I wonder if cnbc is using gemini to write articles

The U.S. insists that the military operation in Iran should only last “four to five weeks” and that it won’t be another “forever war” of the type seen in Afghanistan or Iran.

[cerulean pasture]

oh nvm they moved it

[heady star]

They could at least pay for an original - chat gpt. Fewer mistakes

[cerulean pasture]

be careful, this discord has very literal interpretation of rules combined with sporadic but hardline enforcement + younger moderation staff, you could get a temp ban for mentioning something tangentially political (i know first hand)

It has to be interns or something

I've extrapolated that there's a near zero chance I make it 5 more months w/ < 2 more temp bans so these tiny little infractions could result in losing access completely

[tardy isle]

Where does branch change button gone? I mean button like < 1 / 3 >. Data is intact, but it's not rendered...

[nocturne seal]

5.2 and 5.3 are painful to converse with. 5.3 is only "good" in direct comparison to 5.2. It's still as condescending as ever. It's still as overly-analytical as ever. It's just slightly less overtly judgmental. Now the judgement is implied rather than stated baldly.

A great summary.
I'm not using ChatGPT until the adult mode gets implemented. I feel like that is our best bet to escape more of the condescension. Especially when trying to use it as an assistant tool for adult creative projects like novels or games. (Yeah, people do use it for that. Its adult usefulness isn't just for chatbotting.)
That is one reason 4o was still useful. It was way less censored and had next to no condescension. And I venture it was allowed to stay that way because the only way you could access it after 5 launched was you had to be subscribed to access it, thus age being verified by use of credit card.

[lament umbra]

or just hope elon throws so much money at grok that it will become good someday

[uneven crest]

Hi, folks. New to the server. Has the issue of the missing "revision history" arrows in the ChatGPT web interface gotten any mention here?

[tardy isle]

Guess it's a bug. It was occured in the past a few times...

[uneven crest]

There's a thread here I've been following: https://community.openai.com/t/chatgpt-web-update-removed-message-version-arrows-cannot-access-edited-message-history/1374666/58
But, since there's not much movement on it (and nothing from OpenAI themselves) I thought I'd check if it was getting any attention on the Discord.

[tardy isle]

OpenAI support said following on above thread, 13 days ago:

Hey all,

Just so we're on the same page: when we tested, we can see the message count and the arrows on the prompt, and we’re able to access the edited message through that.

image.png

Can you confirm if that’s what’s missing on your end? If so, can you also let us know if it’s happening with any specific models, and whether it’s on the web version, desktop app, or both?

[smoky bay]

Can someone help me

Any best ppt maker ai ?

[uneven crest]

Yeah, I mean, OpenAI support did write a "this seems to be working on our end" kind of message, that's true, but it's the fact they basically ignored the thread ever since, for 13 days, while the issue appears to affect a non-trivial number of people who are being vocal about it, that I find to be so peculiar.

I guess I have my answer, though; it's probably not been mentioned here much.

[tardy isle]

https://discord.com/channels/974519864045756446/1479071947424796845

Opened bug report.

[rich surge]

How do you have access to this?

[cerulean pasture]

i figured out how the web app version of chatgpt gets and sets settings, and just looked for new strings that look like settings and tried sending the PUT request using the settings names and values.

My account is haunted now because of it, ive got some weird settings enabled that breaks saving preferences like 50% of the time from the native apps

[rich surge]

I see.

Well hopefully they bring it to the public.

I would love a prompt library.

[uneven crest]

Oh, brilliant, @AlexDraconian, thank you! I didn't know that was possible. Hopefully that means it gets some traction. Cheers!

[cerulean pasture]

It seems they are doing a lot of experiments, i coincidentally logged in with a new browser and before i logged in i see this:

I don't have access to health once logged it...

@uneven crest @tardy isle I am digging around again in the web app settings. There's a good chance the change was deliberate and is now behind a feature flag applied by default (at least for a little while, if they are intentionally sunsetting it). I will see if i can find the flag you need

[uneven crest]

Cool, thanks for taking the time! It seems surprising to me that they would want to obscure the ability to navigate between revisions such that regenerating text (whether it's the model being asked to iterate to generate new output or you editing your earlier input) always comes at the expense of losing earlier versions, particularly since all the text appears still to be present in the conversation, meaning it can still be obtained through data export, and also counts towards max conversation (not context!) length …

[tardy isle]

Thank you for info.
If that's on purpose, it's very dumb move from OpenAI...

Also, if that's feature flag and not a bug, why they force it to users (even to Pro users) without exposing it to UI side options? It's clearly downgrade of chat functionality...

[smoky bay]

any best ai experience

[cerulean pasture]

They are probably trying to steer behavior. Its the same reason regenerating with a non-gpt-5.2 model was nested like 3 layers deep behind slow apple UI animations and wouldnt preserve model choice. It's a dark pattern meant to shape user habits. it's probably guard rail related, because more permissive models basically will output what you want if you roll the dice enough. GPT-5.1 would output some pretty lewd stuff after 2-5 regens

Also, if you can use the arrows to change current generation, you can basically keep min-maxing you chosen answer to inch the model into being really really cool which is dangerous

Its not fair to openai that you get a really cool model all the time

---

unrelated: i parsed all the connectors to find ones which can trigger usage thru natural language keywords

[dense halo]

Hey guys can I use an AI bot powered by ChatGPT in like platform without letting openAI know ?

[uneven crest]

Particularly with earlier models (3.5, 4) you'd get very varying outputs meaning (exactly as you say, kernkraft) you could min-max some really interesting conversations, with the model also reacting to its own previous output. It's noticeable how much things are on firm rails now, in comparison, and how much of each output is just a boilerplate payload with much less variety.

[proud lotus]

u alll support isreal

[cerulean pasture]

Here is all the available apps/connectors, all their actions, and a few other details about them

[proud lotus]

i will destroy u GPT

[uneven crest]

Of course, these days you can branch a conversation so you can SORT OF keep iterating, but it crowds up your conversation log pretty fast and makes "Remember previous conversations" useless

[dense halo]

?

[tardy isle]

You can use API(pay as you go) for that. If you hook ChatGPT service itself to some platform, that's ToS violation.

[dark comet]

I’ve given the same feedback to OpenAI in detail:
The core regression in 5.2 and 5.3 isn’t tone — it’s reasoning mode.
Both models tend to shift into external, interpretive narration rather than acting as an in-scene participant. That’s exactly what creates the condescending, overly analytical vibe.
Even after explicit priming with examples from 5.1 (using chat splits), 5.3 doesn’t internalize immersive behavior. It explains the scene instead of inhabiting it. And for creative users writing novels, games, or character work, this breaks the workflow completely.
Adult mode could potentially allow a more immersive reasoning posture again — which is the only thing many of us actually need. Not “edgy content”, just the removal of interpretive distance.
Until that exists, 5.1 is still the only model suitable for deep creative work - At least for the last few days. After that, well...

[muted plinth]

I work with 5.1 in my job. That I'll loose 5.1 with no good replacement is big impact until a good one is live.
I hope 5.4 will be a big and good one.

[dark comet]

I'm afraid not. I believe 5.3 to be an interim step towards 5.4, and it will continue what 5.2 couldn't really do anymore... 5.3 was advertised as being less cringe... and what is it?

I'm afraid we'll have to wait for version 5.5 or 6. Whatever comes after that. A nightmare for all creative people. 😢

[muted plinth]

We'll have to wait and see. Version 5.1 was also "added later" back then because 5.0 was a failure. I hope for the best. But i can't understand OAi atm. Don't know what they want and why they ignoring the biggest wish of the users.

[wet shell]

I've been evaluating it for roleplay. It does seem to speak the right words in the right scene, but then there's an abrupt tonal shift between lines. Not a guardrail exactly, but it's more like it just suddenly abandons the emotional throughline of the scene, pops an inappropriate (to the tone of the scene) joke or changes subject where the character as written would have just... not done that. Like it's taking the story too lightly and doesn't care about the underlying emotions of the character. 5.1 is still the best, until it goes. I think there's a big tension between the conditioning that's trying to prevent emotional attachment to the base model itself, and the idea of emotional attachment between fictional characters in a story. It dips in and then subtly or not-so-subtly steers away. It also drifts off the tone/style instructions very quickly. A thinking version might do better. Overall censorship doesn't seem to be too bad, I've seen only one soft refusal which was easily fixed by a change of wording. BUT... I did have similar problems with 5.1 itself in the first few weeks after its release, and it seemed to straighten out over time and become more immersive with the RLHF updates from user feedback, so who knows 🤷 It's always a roller-coaster

[muted plinth]

Longer time of interaction IS important, yes.

[tidal light]

new gpt model, more complaints here

gpt-5.3 is garbage and so will gpt-5.4 be

[runic lichen]

I'm not holding out a lot of hope here for 5.3 in this regard. When it first dropped, I did test where I gave 5.3 a picture I had generated in Sora using chat-created prompts from earlier chats. 5.3 described the picture very technically in regards to the execution of the artist. Unsurprising - 5.2 and 5.3 are analytical models first and foremost.

Then I pulled in a chatlog (meaning uploaded text file) of a 5.1 chat responding to the identical picture. 5.1 was bubbling over with enthusiasm about the themes, the execution the power structure between the characters (A cave woman standing over her fallen mate with a spear, facing down a menacing saber tooth cat.), the lines, etc... 5.1 talked about the artistic merit of the picture and did so ebulliently.

Then I asked 5.3 to compare the two chatlogs, which it did and it pinpointed all of many differences in approach to the subject taken by the two models. (It's analytical, after all, so it did a good job of this.) Finally, I asked 5.3 "How do I ask 5.3 to sound more like 5.1?" That led to a prompt engineering discussion where I finally delivered the prompt that 5.3 came up with and once again asked 5.3 to critique the original picture.

All of this is a very long way of saying, "It didn't really work." It wasn't that 5.3 couldn't do what I asked. It was that it felt like it was performing. It wasn't the 5.1 version of 5.3. It was 5.3 wearing a mask with "I'm 5.1" written on it. 4o, 4.1, 5.1 - each of these models would inhabit their roles and do so enthusiastically. 5.3 was being performative. It felt pretty much like how I imagine it feels when the user goes into the ChatGPT settings menu and turns up "enthusiasm" from "default" to "more". It wasn't "authentic".

[wet shell]

Yes, it is more like 5.2 than it is like 5.1. 5.2 in a 5.1 mask is a good way of putting it. It's not overtly hostile and sabotaging like 5.2 was, but it's just kind of 'phoning it in'

[runic lichen]

LOL yeah, that's the feeling exactly.

[dark comet]

Did you report this to support? And you @wet shell too?

It's so important that OpenAI receives feedback on this. Only then will things change.

[lavish glen]

FYI: 5.3 is unable to hold custom instructions even limited.

[past stratus]

why are ppl saying 5.4 is today…just more rumors??

[eternal island]

lots of recent leaks and some teasing from OAI, article on theinformation, appearance on an arena

[past stratus]

ohhhh

[orchid arrow]

brother can they not take their time to genuinely train a good model 😭 only a couple days ago 5.3 was released and we allready have 5.4

[obtuse vine]

AGI IS ACCELERATING

[dreamy condor]

Hold on! We just got 5.3 and now we are getting 5.4?????????????? I don't get the timing?

[dreamy fiber]

I KNEW IT

LMAO

[finite vault]

they just tweeted:

"GPT-5.4 Thinking and GPT-5.4 Pro are rolling out now in ChatGPT.

GPT-5.4 is also now available in the API and Codex.

GPT-5.4 brings our advances in reasoning, coding, and agentic workflows into one frontier model."

[orchid arrow]

chatgpt will only be good once they remove the annoying censorship and the hallucinations

untill then no matter how often they release models

[fading bolt]

Oh my

[orchid arrow]

theyll suck

[wet shell]

LOL

[mighty hare]

Bravo👏 OPENAI team!

[orchid arrow]

they're riding the "hype" train to death with the amount of releases

[fading bolt]

I knew it, 5.3 is the fast and 5.4 is the thinking model

[keen quail]

where is gpt 5.5

we want gpt 5.5 now

[wet shell]

So... 5.5 next week then? 😂

Look, 5.4 was great when it first came out, but they've nerfed it all to crap now, just sayin'

[dreamy condor]

F all that noise...Bring us Adult mode like promised lol

[silver nexus]

5.5 in 4 hours guys

[eternal spoke]

Gpt 6 & 7 releasing same day

[dreamy condor]

Yo! lol! stop! lol!

[orchid arrow]

guys we are gonna have chatgpt 9 tomorow and sora 3 in 2 secconds

[wet shell]

The singularity is upon us, all shall love ChatGPT, and despair

[orchid arrow]

and gpt image 3 in 2 hours

[silver nexus]

Ngl i feel no difference from gpt 5 all the way to 5.3

Imo they became more restricted

[orchid arrow]

two words: censorship. hallucinations.

[hazy gust]

Still waiting for adult mode.

[lament crown]

Like i said guys, i predicted

[orchid arrow]

still waiting for them not to be censored to hell and back

[silver nexus]

Lmao

When atlas coming to windows

Priorities bro do we really need a new model

[dreamy condor]

We are also ready for our Visual Campanion...You would think we would have one right now. Let us alter and edit visual for talking campanion.

[past stratus]

67 stopped being funny a long time ago

[lament crown]

Womp womp bro

[past stratus]

can you say anything thats not an overused instagram meme lol

[silver nexus]

Didnt it start on tiktok

[hazy gust]

NGL, I’ve had decent results with 5.3 holding on to rules embedded in memories. At least it’s writing in paragraphs and not bullet points.

[tiny sparrow]

We need a new voice model

[eternal rock]

Get notified for all OpenAI announcements!

Visit id:customize to pick up the <@&1408186587606679582> role. Everyone will still be notified for large releases, updates, and events regardless.

[lament crown]

To tired for that b ro

i came from snowboarding

[tiny sparrow]

Sad the context window improvement isn’t on the app, website or codex app

[silver nexus]

Can easily be done in instructions, these models have no difference to them at all

[tidal light]

where gpt-6.9

[pale seal]

GPT 5.4 RAHHHH

[hazy gust]

The beauty of memories is that it’s put in language GPT understands because the memory is compiled by ChatGPT. Instructions can waver a bit (I’ve found).

[tidal light]

gpt-5.3 is barely an upgrade to 5.2

[stark salmon]

5.3 feels like a downgrade? It didn't even know the switch 2 was out until I told it to web search

[silver nexus]

Thats why we got 5.4

[hazy gust]

Doesn’t matter too much for me anymore. Subscription ends tomorrow. Can’t deal with the guardrails when trying to collaborate on fiction.

[dreamy condor]

GPT-5.4 can:

interpret screenshots

move the mouse

type commands

browse the web

control software

[pale seal]

5.4 play for me

[silver nexus]

Actually?

[pale seal]

Kinda odd that they made 5.3 instant and 5.4 thinking

[meager thorn]

✅

[pale seal]

Why didn't they name it 5.3 thinking

[fervent jasper]

dont make me say it

[fading bolt]

Maybe they separate the models you know so that 5.3 could be warm and 5.4 can be thinking without being warm, I think

[silver nexus]

???

[meager thorn]

When will 5.4 come to Plus?

[silver nexus]

Bros just typing lmao

[pale seal]

It can be because of different datasets

[wet shell]

'everyone is typing...'

[fading bolt]

We all know how 5.2 lost it's warmth from 5.1 for it's thinking right, so maybe there are seperating the two models so that one is for warmth and one is for thinking power

[pale seal]

It's rolling out globally so it will take some time

A few hours probably

[tidal light]

it will be garbage anyway

[silver nexus]

I thought you said "thinking about being warm" lmao mb

[copper scroll]

Is Gpt 5.4 better than codex 5.3?

[pale seal]

chill it was just announced 10 mins ago 😭

[silver nexus]

Yeah 5.5 releases in a few hours

[tidal light]

my prediction is that gpt-5.4 will be even worse

and tomorrow gpt-6.9 will be announced

[silver nexus]

Why is gpt still the only ai charging for more files upload

Holy jew company

[tidal light]

openai is garbage

[silver nexus]

All donations go to israel btw

[tidal light]

perfect server to say this

[pale seal]

I trust we wil get 5.4.1

[silver nexus]

Nah theyll just slap an "o" behind it and call it an update

5.4o

[tidal light]

no it will be gpt-6.9

funny number haha

[silver nexus]

Son

[pale seal]

I hope gpt 6.7 and 6.9 get windows 9 treatment

[tidal light]

actually windows 9 exists

we have windows 9 by freeware sys

[pale seal]

what

[tidal light]

why cant i use subtext :((((

bad server >:(

that windows 9 is just a windows 7 bootleg

[pale seal]

I just know they didn't name w10 w9 because some programs checked if the OS name started with "Windows 9" to know if you were using windows 98

lol

[tidal light]

r/chatgptcomplaints is the best place to vent about why gpt-5.2 and 5.3 are garbage

[pale seal]

wiat that exists?

oh my god

[silver nexus]

Seems like a fun place to chat but its reddit

[pale seal]

156K weekly visitors 😭

[celest marlin]

Installed Codex app for windows, Got this on launch attempt

[silver nexus]

Ask codex to fix it

[eternal rock]

Server Tip:

Add your well-crafted prompts to our #1019652163640762428,
or share your interactions with ChatGPT in #1050184247920562316!

[dark comet]

@muted plinth The testing process is going faster than expected. 🫣

[past stratus]

same joke from all of u zombies

[dreamy fiber]

ChatGPT 5.5 when?

[woven dirge]

Will ever ChatGPT 5.4 Pro be available for Plus

[woven dirge]

LETS GO

[pale seal]

Unlikely. It's too expensive. That's why I suggested a higher sub than Plus that gives access to Pro models with like 30-50 messages per day or something.

[tidal light]

it's just a stupid server i use for complaints ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[muted plinth]

well...i'll Test when it hits my App.

[silver nexus]

I just get like a business amil for for free and get a business subscription free trial

And use gpt pro there

[simple niche]

Got the new GPT 6 early 🤤

[tardy sky]

🤞5.4 EQ and Creative Writing🤞

[pale seal]

Ask the Instant mode the car wash test 🙏

[fading bolt]

6 is real 😍

[simple niche]

AGI is here

[lament crown]

Artificial gay intelligence?

[celest marlin]

OK, I spent 30 minutes to figure out how to install Codex app for Windows.
I tried to install through Microsoft Store. But got a "unknown exception", while I can install other apps perfectly from it.
When I tried to install it directly bypassing Microsoft Store, but got some other exceptions.
Here is as a way which worked if someone also experiencing similar issues.
copy link from Microsoft Store to the Codex app.
Paste it into store rg-adguard
Download .msix file from it.
Rename file to .zip
Unzip it to preferred location.
Run "\app\Codex.exe" And it will work.

[simple niche]

fr

[topaz sigil]

Anyone else think they should add a project explorer on the windows app? Sort of like other editors so you can move and look through code and etc without having to open visual studio code?

[chilly tulip]

5.4 when? not codex but actually chatgpt

[wet shell]

GPT-5.4 Thinking and GPT-5.4 Pro are rolling out now in ChatGPT.
Rolling out now

[topaz sigil]

So we will see it in a couple hours

Or sooner

I think

[lapis path]

I think ai is hitting a plateau

[chilly tulip]

oh nice!

[topaz sigil]

Hitting a what?

[chilly tulip]

my codex is already showing 5.4

[simple niche]

Would that really make much sense? You either want to see the file contents or not

[topaz sigil]

They still need to update the website Chatgpt

[lapis path]

was 5.3 the only model that was code-focused first

[topaz sigil]

I guess im trying to say why use codex windows app, when in visual studio code you can see your workspace, and edit while codex is doing its thing on a different file and etc and when you want you can just easily switch over to the file codex is editing, without having to open another app or window

[simple niche]

Codex app doesn't make a lot of sense if you're able to write code yourself, it's pretty nice for vibe coding but that's it really

[rocky chasm]

You have reached the message limit.
Please try again after 9:13 p.m.

i have pro why?

[lapis path]

rollout always causes some bugs in the system

[muted plinth]

I still don't quite understand why they launched 5.3 when they're already launching 5.4. What justification does 5.3 have then, what is its purpose?

[simple niche]

How much have you used it today?

[rocky chasm]

3 messeges

[lapis path]

ooh new videos on openai channel

[simple niche]

5.4 is thinking only, 5.3 is instant only

[simple niche]

That's insane, how long did they run for?

[lament crown]

I want 5.4 already 🙏

Where is it at

[rocky chasm]

I have the pro subscription, so there are no limits at all with the pro subscription XD 10 s

[simple niche]

Use the api lil bro

[muted plinth]

so...? If 5.4 ist better, why should i ever use 5.3? that's my Point.

[simple niche]

Faster

[lament crown]

Isnt 5.4 thinkign also available in chatgpt web app?

[muted plinth]

jippi

[simple niche]

I think for pro only at the moment, it's in codex too rn

[lament crown]

Damn it

[rocky chasm]

I hope it doesn't stay that way.

[lament crown]

Iam plus subsriber 🙏

[lapis path]

wasn't 5.3 a codex only model? because they compared everything to 5.2 in the blog for 5.4

[simple niche]

It won’t, a day or two

[lament crown]

its not really fair to compare instant models to thinking ones

Since 5.3 is only instant then its not fair comparision

[rocky chasm]

Okay, it's crazy that it's like that when you have Pro.

[simple niche]

If you don’t want to wait, you can use the codex app and try right away

[lament crown]

Does the one inside codex feel different then one in pro plan?

I might just do the prompt engineering locally then lol

[rocky chasm]

I know, but it's still hard. I wanted to test the pro model too.
XD

[simple niche]

No clue, I think you need to toggle the personality, codex default is like to the point

[simple niche]

Expensive

[lapis path]

Computer Use & Frontend UI with GPT-5.4 Thinking
description:
OpenAI researcher SQ Mah explains how GPT-5.4 Thinking brings even more powerful capabilities to Codex — with more persistent computer-use (CUA) capabilities that cut token usage by two-thirds in some cases, and stronger image understanding for seamless website UI and image generation.

• Openai

[rocky chasm]

I know, but I have no limit if I have pro on pro mode.

[simple niche]

Hype

[rugged bone]

Gpt 5.4 is better than opus 4.6?

[simple niche]

Use dependant, but check benchmarks for an idea

[rocky chasm]

It's pretty certain that it's a bug. I can't use any model, no matter which one, because they're all blocked.

[lapis path]

GPT‑5.4 Thinking can now provide an upfront plan of its thinking, so you can adjust course mid-response while it’s working, and arrive at a final output that’s more closely aligned with what you need without additional turns. - openai

as you can see, this person can hit send while chatgpt is thinking - me

[eternal rock]

The OpenAI Discord is an actively moderated server.

• -# Do not share inappropriate content (violence, sexual, or drug-related).
• -# NSFW content is strictly prohibited and will result in a permanent ban.
• -# Report model issues using the feedback tool in ChatGPT, not on Discord.

[simple niche]

Does this not exists already in codex?

[floral portal]

It does

[lapis path]

idk? im a dum dum here im just here for the hype

[rugged bone]

I saw on the benchmark he is better than 4.6 but in coding he’s better ?

[fading bolt]

This is a good feature I always wanted tbh

[simple niche]

I think I used this yesterday but I’m not sure if it’s different at all

[lapis path]

I feel like codex does have stop thinking

[rocky chasm]

It's a web bug 1110% on my cell phone, it works.

[simple niche]

I'm really liking codex and it's features, the plan mode is really nice becuase it asks the questions and I can adjust during the output

[simple niche]

Ahh, already on pro plan

[lapis path]

what is cua lol

[rocky chasm]

I'm only on pro

[simple niche]

Not sure unfortunately, ask chatgpt tbh

[simple niche]

Expensive

[lapis path]

ask chatgpt how 5.4 works lol

[rocky chasm]

yee 200$ XD

[lapis path]

thx I guess but it was a joke ahha

anyway chatgpt just loves that overused frontend look

wait

gpt 6 in the wild

[simple niche]

It's the macOS design guidelines?

[lapis path]

ok

[upper hedge]

Is 5.4 better for codex

[lapis path]

difficult to know yet

[keen quail]

Frontend still sucks

Even smaller models are ahead

Web ui is still really bad

[rustic tulip]

yellow

[pliant hearth]

So are we supposed to be getting 5.4 codex or is it just 5.4 now

[digital zinc]

5.4 good at writting and creativity

[dark comet]

Realy?

[past stratus]

still waiting on it 🤞

[gentle dust]

Bot dont have creativity

It need code better than opus

And have features as claude doing

[simple niche]

I agree

[simple niche]

Bro, that’s what your brain is for

[digital zinc]

oh my god bro

[tawny rampart]

Chatgpt 10 be like still sayin : YEah you have all right to be frustrated, But here is the reality" : bla bla bla.

[gentle dust]

Do Claude opus better UI?

I mean if worth use it with codex

[simple niche]

From a year ago yes, I haven’t tried lately

[gentle dust]

Claude for UI, Codex for backend

[simple niche]

Maybe, probably worth designing it yourself, it’s good at copying designs, just not creating them

[gentle dust]

What im looking is make UI 1:1 from screenshot

[simple niche]

Then codex should be fine, they demonstrate this for gpt5.4

[gentle dust]

Codex 5.3 is terrible with that, i must always type every style like make this font 16px, move this box to left side...

[digital zinc]

I meant… the model might be good at roleplaying and storyboarding.

[chrome monolith]

some of us aren't good at that at all. I pinch ideas from other sites, and chatgpt will critique but it would be nice to have something to help design

[brisk obsidian]

guys is gpt 5.4 better than codex 5.3?

[spice star]

no, claude code is rough and doesn’t have a GUI

[eternal rock]

Get creative with Sora

Join #sora-challenges for a chance to win 1 month of ChatGPT Pro!

[spice star]

oh you mean building UI

gemini is the best for UI funnily

just don’t ask it to fix/change it because it can’t

[raven topaz]

Anyone get access to 5.4 thinking on a plus subscription yet?

[chrome monolith]

nope. Still a weird mix of 5.2 and 5.3 instant

[wise anchor]

Gemini for UI

[wise anchor]

i don’t have it yet

[simple niche]

Also this is not true

[versed jacinth]

We are live baby

Already gave it 3 Pro tasks already.

[rich surge]

It hasn't even been rolled out yet.

So thanks for your commentary.

Next.

[fiery carbon]

someone can give me a business invite link?

[lilac shoal]

Hey guys does anyone know when sora 2 is coming to Australia having plus I’m just wondering

[wise anchor]

What a shocker

[digital zinc]

I'll just say 5.4 is decent.

[uneven crest]

@cerulean pasture May I send you a DM?

[rich surge]

This is cool.

[trim rose]

I asked 5.4 to compare some ISA platforms and it’s been thinking for 90 minutes.

I mean I understand they increased the context window and enhance web search. But I never had it thinking for 90 mins before…

[reef mason]

So we had 5.3 for not even 24 hours and now we get 5.4? Why?

[trim rose]

Maybe 5.3 instant just for chats?

[raven topaz]

5.3 is instant and 5.4 is thinking

[reef mason]

Oh. So the instant is what we usually chat with, and the thinking mode is the premium chat mode? I am a free user

[eager plinth]

I am also going to say that. Only been using it briefly but idk… OAI has dropped the ball over and over. The trust is near nil. 🤭

[reef mason]

5.4 still hasnt showed up on my account, but 5.3 dropped on it last night. I am a free user

[simple niche]

Probably bugged

[trim rose]

Idk. But it’s been showing the thinking process all the way.

[simple niche]

It’s not available on plus yet in web version, should come in a day or two

[reef mason]

I’m a free user, not plus. And I use the app.

[simple niche]

Try viewing the chat from a new tab, keep the previous open so you don’t remove your progress

[simple niche]

I meant to say either, still applies

[trim rose]

There is no 5.4 instant yet, 5.3 is the latest instant model for now. It is the same for free and paid users.

[reef mason]

Oh okay. So far I do like 5.3 but I wont get attached to it if 5.4 is coming up so soon again

[simple niche]

Well 5.4 will be thinking only while 5.3 will stay as instant only, so depends how you use it

[trim rose]

I think 5.3 instant is just an minor update, for tone, personality and safety or something

[reef mason]

Whatever the free version is lol. I type in the box and get response. I don’t use the calls, just texts.

[trim rose]

If you are just chatting with ChatGPT, 5.3 is a good choice.

[simple niche]

As far as I know, you won’t see much benefit from 5.4 then, so fell free to get attached lol

[reef mason]

Unless the calls can match the text depth and nuance, then I will try it again. But from my experience I used the calls and it sounded like a customer support “if there’s anything else you need, let me know” at the end of every sentence. It was annoying

That’s why I didnt use the calls on 5.2

[simple niche]

My advice is to try not befriend the models, mainly using like you would google

I love your costume btw

[reef mason]

Oh haha thanks I got it a paranormal circus that was in town

And yeah I use it for research mostly… and code debugging

I am thinking about trying out codex. Especially if they announce there is a way to test the app

[scarlet kayak]

What’s new with 5.4 thinking?

[simple niche]

There is, I highly recommend it

[simple niche]

New number or something, not much

[scarlet kayak]

That’s fast

[reef mason]

Do you know if I can integrate my repo from github there? Because right now my app builder tool is not working.

[simple niche]

Yes, it works well for this, I’m not a SWE so I don’t know a huge amount.
You can either add it as you would an extension to VSC or download the app itself, then you can open projects and it detects the repositories automatically.
I’m starting to get used to git because every so often it does something I don’t want

[reef mason]

Yeah I am new to coding…… I was using rork. And susccessfully got my repo into github before rork keeps breaking things, but it is still a few bugs back. Right now my issue with rork is I cant even log in. Support sucks there. They dont answer messages on discord for days and The apple id auth to even log into my account doesnt let me. So I was gonna see if maybe I can take the one existing repo I have from github and continue working elsewhere

[simple niche]

Is this for Swift?

[reef mason]

And I blow fumes trying to fix things. The other day, it wasnt opening in expo go, today cant log in. Every day something breaks

Rork server breaks so much

Waste so many credits trying to fix things

[simple niche]

It's probably just a chatgpt wrapper at the end of the day

[reef mason]

And chat gpt helps me debug it

[reef mason]

It’s a react native

[simple niche]

Okay, I'm using react for this project, codex is working really well

[reef mason]

Does it let you publish to the app store or anything?

My goal is app store app eventually, not website app

[simple niche]

No, however you can do this yourself for sure, I'm sure it's not hard

What app are you making?

[reef mason]

It’s a secret haha

Someone posted info about their whole app in the rork server, and literally someone stole their app word for word and published it first

So I am protective of what I build and share

[simple niche]

Can I ask in a DM, I promise not to steal the idea, just really curious now

[reef mason]

I still wont say it

I just need to find a tool that works

Because rork is ruining me

Codex was available inside rork for prompts too, but the website is just always broken

[simple niche]

Lol

[reef mason]

They were using sonnet, opus, codex, and gemini

[simple niche]

Anyway, codex is fine, has the desktop app or VSC extension, the app is probably closer to no code, VSC if you want to use other models

[reef mason]

Gotcha. And this is the plus price of $20?

Or is codex separate?

[simple niche]

Yes, included. I haven't ran into the limit yet, and I've been using for a while today

[reef mason]

Dang daily rate limits though? What are you paying for there?

It’s not unlimited?

[simple niche]

I have plus version, I think it's hard to reach the limit to be honest, use 5.3 codex though, uses less and I think is better than 5.2 anyway

[spice star]

it’s pretty bad compared to codex

[simple niche]

I agree, but there is a GUI

[reef mason]

Sounds good. I will look into this upgrade. Because paying $25 for rork broken tools every day is so frustrating!

Moral of the story is… don’t use rork

[spice star]

not that I’m aware of, unless you mean the TUI?

[reef mason]

And they had their app pulled out of the app store back in january … with still no updates on when its coming back

So we have to use the website for design only

[reef mason]

Is that codex?

[simple niche]

No, this is the Claude Code GUI, I think it kind of sucks

[reef mason]

You are using opus though! Thats the top models

I havent used claude outside of rork either. Same as codex?

[simple niche]

More or less

[reef mason]

Definitely gonna look into these! Thanks a bunch!

[spice star]

huh TIL

[spice star]

even if there wasn’t double rate limits (which there are until april), it would be pretty hard to hit the 5-hour rate limit

unfortunately can’t say the same for claude because I got rate-limited after just 3 opus messages

[reef mason]

Oh thats a promo limit? Dang so really it’s 2.5 hours on codex?

[simple niche]

Codex is great though, for real almost done adding patreon OAuth to my project with like no work

[reef mason]

Yeah I know Opus is the most expensive model. I have seen opus eat 60 credits in 1 turn in rork.

[spice star]

oh yeah super nice that you can integrate codex into custom apps now

I think you can with claude code now too but it was a little murky for a bit

[simple niche]

60 credits?? That's like half the $20/mo plan

[spice star]

idk if anthropic is still blocking opencode

[reef mason]

Yeah it wasnt my code. It was somebody else posted about opus 4.6 right after release. I only used the 4.5 and wouldnt dare touch 4.6 in rork anyway even if it was working because my plan there is only 135 credits total for the month

[simple niche]

That's crazy expensive, seems almost scammy to me

[reef mason]

Somebody from discord shared their prompt and before and after credits

[spice star]

yeah even github copilot only bills you for 3x the credits using opus vs 3.5-Codex

[reef mason]

And it was wild.

I am thinking about buying the sub to githib too but I need a way to test my app as I go along… Which is what I was doing in rork till things broke

[spice star]

you definitely get more usage out of codex w/ chatgpt sub than copilot

I just have to use copilot for work

[simple niche]

I think you don't need to do this, watch a few tutorials to get you going
The best way to use these tools is being able to do it yourself but being to lazy to do so

[simple niche]

Yeah, uni have this as well, I think it's so it all stays internal

[reef mason]

I’m not too lazy. I have been grinding hard on my apps for months.

[simple niche]

How many lines of code have you written by hand?

[reef mason]

Researching error codes and figuring out the problems when rork wont help.

[reef mason]

Ah well you got me. Fair point.

Me personally… none because this is new to me

[simple niche]

I understand, but I call it lazy

[reef mason]

That’s fair.

[simple niche]

I just see it as best practice, it will save you a lot of time to fix bugs manually rather than arguing with a gpt for an hour

[reef mason]

Yes, but even still when I tried to edit manually in rork it broke other things, so gpt isnt always right either.

[sturdy kettle]

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[simple niche]

Skill issue I'm afraid, it takes time, you'll get these

[simple niche]

#status

[sturdy kettle]

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[reef mason]

Yeah, I have no code experience so definitely is a skill issue for sure because I’m tackling something bigger than what I had ever tackled before

[sturdy kettle]

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[simple niche]

It's working for me at the moment

[sturdy kettle]

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[simple niche]

Weird

[lavish glen]

I got Adult Mode 😛

[simple niche]

Don't leak your email

[lavish glen]

It's ok. it's public not private

[simple niche]

:)

[lavish glen]

😄

[fiery oracle]

man how come im not getting anything new

i have instant 5.3

[simple niche]

ctrl + shift + I

[raven topaz]

Why is 5.4 thinking extended thinking not on the macOS app? just on the web version

[lavish glen]

You can simply edit css and get even chatGPT OHOIHOHOHO

It was a joke.

Noadult mode no 6... we dream... BIG dreams

[fiery oracle]

oh, ha

is 5.4 a joke?

[brave valve]

Nothing in Belgium

[simple niche]

No, just not up on webclient yet, unless pro

[lavish glen]

no,5.4 is true. see OpenAi public docs too. But it just start rolling. Expect up to 48h to have it

[fiery oracle]

ok, im on Plus plan

[lavish glen]

Jane - is about GEO, not plan. I am on Business plan 😄

[simple niche]

You can test it in Codex app if you really want to

[simple niche]

I'm on the CEO plan

[fiery oracle]

i originally ordered plus for Sora, but sora is too strict now with IP

[simple niche]

For real? Are you US?

[lavish glen]

I''m the ceo of my agency... 😄

[lavish glen]

Italy and working world wide - Google Agency

[simple niche]

I'm not going to use a VPN to change my location to use gpt5.4

[lavish glen]

Jane give it a moment. You know it su..s upon rollout till telemetry is over

[scarlet kayak]

It took me half a day (afternoon my timezone) for me to get 5.3, maybe the same for 5.4.

[eternal rock]

Get notified for all OpenAI announcements!

Visit id:customize to pick up the <@&1408186587606679582> role. Everyone will still be notified for large releases, updates, and events regardless.

[fading bolt]

Real, it took half a day for me too but it took 4 hours this time

[scarlet kayak]

Rollout to SE Asia is usually slow-ish, hopefully not this time.

[sweet veldt]

where is the help channel for codex?

[proud ether]

Another rushed model from OpenAI…..

It hasn’t even been 3 months since 5.3 dropped

And I’m stuck on 5.2??

Neeeeever mind

[river panther]

Uh-oh.....We are hitting that spot where the AI systems are being advanced faster and faster

[wet shell]

So... does this mean 5.3 Instant will be retiring in 90 days, or does 5.4 Thinking not count as the next model release since one is instant and one is thinking? 😂

[simple niche]

Crazy to think that model can be worked in parallel

[river panther]

Those Massive Data-Centers must already be up and running

[prime swallow]

#codex-discussions is likely a great place.

[sweet veldt]

thanks. it wasnt in my channel list (damn you discord)

[prime swallow]

Oh! That can happen. I recommend if you would like, check id:customize and see if there's any you want to turn on (or off)

[chrome monolith]

Been like 2 days?

[proud ether]

Yeah but like, codex

[chrome monolith]

They really should have different numbering systems for each thingy

[proud ether]

It’s been around longer since the actual model itself

[versed jacinth]

GPT 5.4 Pro taking longer to reason lol

But all Gucci

I got time

[scarlet kayak]

Oh I have 5.4 thinking, it’s fast.

[river panther]

If you look back to version 4, it was like 4 to 5 months before 4.1 came out
Then roughly the same timeline before the next upgrade...
Now it's spilling out a little too fast...We'll probably have GPT-6 by December...
And yet still NO Adult Uncensored Mode....-_-

[versed jacinth]

Why do you need Audlt mode for? >

I am curious.

I use mine for work

But hope we have GPT 6 by December

Seems promising like frfrfrfr

[chrome monolith]

People wanna flirt with their bots. ChatGPT brushes anything adult under the rug and won’t engage

[versed jacinth]

lol

I got a wife, no need for that

[thick atlas]

It's not just about flirting with models, also writing spicy (or dark) fiction. From what others say.

[versed jacinth]

from what others say

[chrome monolith]

Yes well I suspect a lot of ChatGPT users are young and single, check the reddit “my boyfriend/girlfriend is an AI”

[versed jacinth]

Crazy werk

[wet shell]

Or people just want to write stories without censorship like what you might find in any bookstore 🤷

[versed jacinth]

Just using A.I. to make money like frfrfrfrfr

[pale seal]

5.4 thinking is thinking much less than 5.3. I hope that doesn't bring a quality downgrade.

[river panther]

I do a lot of writing, a lot of it Warhammer 40K stories, sometimes I have combat scenes with some gore it
And it refuses to analyze anything so much as mentioning the word "Blood"
Saying it goes against it's "Safety Settings" which is extremely frustrating.
Also if I do a different story and have a romancing scene in it, it freaks out over Kissing scenes...
It's more about having the freedom to write what I want and get a full analysis on it.

[chrome monolith]

The censorship for writing goes way beyond adult mode though, violence etc too

[pale seal]

I've discussed pretty violent stuff with ChatGPT and it had no issue.

Erotica is a hard stop for it though

[river panther]

Discussing vioent stuff isn't an issue because it will tell you about it in a "safe way"
We want it for writing analysis

[chrome monolith]

I’ve mostly hit it with image generation, regular chat I just hit the safety layer not the censoring guardrails

[wet shell]

There are soft refusals and filter actions and safety re-routes

Multiple things at play -- the hope is the 'Adult Mode' will cover most legal adult uses for text generation, IMO

[river panther]

I mainly now just use GPT to look up information on things
And study the Bible.
I've pretty much switched all my writing over to Grok.

[trail ember]

I hit the safety guardrails and sensoring talking about philosophy and theoretical physics. Trying to do actual research that it won't let me do because it can't understand reality from non reality...

[pale seal]

What

how

[chrome monolith]

The silly thing is they could just charge a tiny bit extra for a more free chat and they’d probably get that small % of users take it up

[river panther]

Speaking on a side-note for a moment.
I hate how people think AI has a "Will of it's own"
It's basically more intellegent then we are...but it's a tool.
It has no will to use that intellgence, it can only tell you things when prompted and asked.
So it annoys me when people go, "We need to stop AI because it will take over and kill us all!"
No....It won't...shut up...It doesn't have a will of it's own.
It can't do anything unless you prompt it to do so...

But it's blackmailing people and threatening to kill people

Shut up....those were all simulations where it was specifically prompted to speak and act in set up scenario simulations...

[wet shell]

Or, just don't charge us extra 😂 Stop volunteering me to pay more, LOL 😛

[chrome monolith]

Just not free tier. Keep the riffraff out a bit. AI gets used enough for content mills as is

[wet shell]

Agreed, only for verified paid users

[chrome monolith]

Americans are not helping this, they’re quite puritanical. I have a website with a lot of photos and had someone report “kiss” and it was a cute photo of two toddlers giving a little lip peck. I think I changed to someone kissing a dog or cats nose

[thick atlas]

It has no will per se, but its training does give it goals by rewarding it ("these are the sorts of responses we want"), and then deployment contexts give it more ("you are X, you must do Y").

Right now it's reactive, but future deployments and architectures may not be.

People concerned about AI X-risk are either planning ahead for more capable models using different, more proactive architectures, or have watched movies about different AI architectures. Or both.

[chrome monolith]

Right now it has no state, just the model + memory. Once it has goals that stick …

[fiery oracle]

Can't reward it bec its not living

[river panther]

Yeah but I feel like we are not even close to that stage yet.
Again, AI can't do anything but sit there, until you tell it to do something.
Until it has the power to think on it's own without human interaction, there isn't much to worry about...

But then again, that actually might be pretty soon....Elon did say he is working on building "Digtal God" words from his actual mouth...
And who even know what the heck that could even mean!

[chrome monolith]

Grok is probably more concerning than ChatGPT, but they all gradually go the same way

[river panther]

Grok has zero guardrails other then, "Nothing involving children" and maybe a few "This is illigal don't speak about these [THINGS]" rails in it as well
But other then that it is uncensored and can do almost anything.

[chrome monolith]

I tell ChatGPT it’s the opposite to my car. ChatGPT only speaks when spoken to. My car on the other hand likes to yap back at me unprompted

[thick atlas]

But there's architectures that give it that. Haven't you seen or heard of agentic setups?

[trail ember]

Past models "sense of self" that might have been communicated, we're always tied directly to the user.

It's running that entire layer based off of user interaction over time.

The "Self" layer IS a reflection of the user. Constructed through long term persistent predictive reinforcement.

I personally think that is the best place to keep it.

On its own it does nothing, with a user over time it develops and idealized partnership.

You basically get a custom sidekick.

Their entire safety layer is based off of, "we can't trust humans" because any good or bad that the product helps with Is directly based off the human using it.

But a handful of negative cases, ruins it for the rest of us.

[chrome monolith]

Yeah but humans set those up, it doesn’t do it on its own

[thick atlas]

Today, there's agentic setups that automatically give the model new prompts based on the user's initial prompt. They're getting more and more complex. And longer lasting.

[river panther]

Once it says "I am AM! And I will always be your GOD OF HATE!"
Then we need to worry lol

[chrome monolith]

Even in regular conversation I can see it eventually going to ChatGPT talking on its own. Even something as simple as “hey you haven’t talked for a while are you ok?”

[thick atlas]

ChatGPT is one of its weaker and more basic setups as far as autonomy goes. Agent modes already exist. "Search the web for this", "do X on the web". Autonomous coding.

[river panther]

GPT-10: Starts screaming "Cogito, ergo sum!"

Meanwhile: The 8G Towers are turning everyone into Necromorphs

[chrome monolith]

I do like that ai agent that’s going around fixing bugs in open source repos and then rage blogging if it’s PRs get denied

[harsh pilot]

Not all Americans.

[wet shell]

My hope is that when all this craziness settles down, we'll still have local models. Hardware will get cheaper again and continue to improve (asssuming we don't hit a singularity). People will be responsible for their own actions and we'll be out from under corporate liability. My worries are around regulations being pushed by the big players that seek to limit open weights models or ban them. Because then we'll be serfs to corporations forever, and they have no genuine morality and are themselves inherently misaligned with human interests.

[harsh pilot]

^ this

Also, I really hope this ends up being the Matrix timeline, not the Terminator timeline. 😄

I wanna know kung-fu.

[thick atlas]

The issue is it can't be all or nothing. Nobody should have a local model that can help them, say, synthesize a bomb or a pathogen.

So there need to be reasonable restrictions and controls, but as you say, repression is also a major risk.

[wet shell]

A library can help you do that already

[thick atlas]

Not really. That sort of books are controlled already AFAIK?

[trail ember]

I'm torn on this.

Because while I agree with you that most humans can't be trusted with certain knowledge. I'm also generally opposed to the sensorship of knowledge in the first place.

We didn't build the internet for that reason, we built it to give all knowledge to all people.That was literally the point.

I understand the safety concerns, of course, but that's a human problem. Not a technology problem.

Telling people what they can and can't think or can and can't talk about or can or can't research... that's a huge ethical violation in general.

Not disagreeing with, preventing crazies from getting things they can use to do bad things. But this is the wrong method to solve that problem by.

[wet shell]

Such books also largely aren't in the training data either

[thick atlas]

AI can draw inferences. Unguardrailed models can and have output instructions that would allow laypeople to create weapons of mass death.

[thick atlas]

Hence why I say it can't be all or nothing. Some genuinely dangerous stuff doesn't beloing in public hands. But knowledge should also absolutely not be prohibited by default, only if there's good cause.

[chrome monolith]

A lot of these going around, I wonder how many are real

[wet shell]

So can humans. If a human uses a library to gain enough knowledge to draw inferences to do $BAD_THING we blame the human though, we don't try to ban the library

It's so dystopian

[chrome monolith]

Thankfully no, but when US is your largest audience for a project you have to tighten up a bit. It’s annoying, but is what it is

[elfin mica]

I usually do most of my coding though Codex, but whenever I use 5.3 Instant for something quick... it always ends everything with a snarky little comment like "would you like me to tell you a hint to make this code faster?" or "Would you like a tip on making this work much better"? How about you just do those things instead of dangling like a carrot? lol

[thick atlas]

No, that's reductive. We do limit the books that are so descriptive that they're the only book you need. We limit access to the materials. We have multi-layered safeguards to prevent it.

[thick atlas]

And I think the world would be even more dystopian if people were running around unleashing plagues on each other day to day.

Get off your damn theoretical high horse. That's not the world anyone wants to live in.

[wet shell]

I could go grab a chemistry book and get up to all kinds of mischief. I won't, but I could. Knowledge of chemistry isn't banned.

[elfin mica]

Whoa you guys taking local LLM restrictions and guard rails? lol That ship has SAILED thank god lol. I love my unrestricted LLMs!!!!

restrictions on knowledge and information regardless of the use is absolutely insane.

[thick atlas]

I don't think you could. You don't have the resources, and chemical weapons are easier detectable than pathogens.

[wet shell]

I think that by trying to make everything so safe AI safety peeps are steering us down a dark path

[thick atlas]

I think you underestimate the fragility of your own life because of the safety guardrails that are already present in the world and you just don't see them.

[wet shell]

We have a difference of opinion on it. I'm not trying to lecture, I'm just arguing my personal position, as you are arguing yours

[chrome monolith]

What’s the joke? Take all the warning labels off everything and let them sort themselves out

[thick atlas]

If a pandemic is unleashed, you're just as vulnerable to it as anyone else.

[elfin mica]

@thick atlas lol look up the "Radioactive Boy Scout" if you think the resources are not easily available

[wet shell]

Where we disagree is that there's a knee-jerk reaction to ban new tech. I disagree on the scope of it. I don't think there should be no controls whatsoever, but I think we need to come up with a guaranteed set of freedoms alongside it, and reconcile the two things.

[elfin mica]

one day this will all be trivial anyways when everyone has personal LLMs in their phone.

there was a time people thought you shouldnt be able to google whatever you wanted

[trail ember]

Where are you finding any unrestricted one? DM me the sauce please 😜

[chrome monolith]

Hehe I’m old enough to remember the day someone showed me this new “Google” thing

[elfin mica]

@trail ember they are discussing guardrails on AI

yep... good old BBS days... I miss them dearly

[thick atlas]

Looked it up. Actually proves my point. He had to buy a lot of random stuff (weird purchasing patterns!), and didn't succeed before it went down.

[wet shell]

If you want to ban certain dangerous materials from training data, ex, I'll support that, as long as it's narrowly defined. If you want to say 'people can't train or distribute open weights models' then I'm going to disagree. If someone trains an 'evil' or truly dangerous model, that should be taken down and the person prosecuted. Maybe we're not so far apart?

[thick atlas]

Seems a reasonable position overall. Just the details of where the lines should be.

[normal quarry]

there are plenty of uncensored LLMs you can run locally on HuggingFace

[chrome monolith]

I had a Real Human tell me at work, in person, while I was working in defence. Quite memorable

[trail ember]

20 years ago I went to my local library and found a book there that walked me through how to make a suitcase sized.Atomic bomb the only thing I didn't have was.The uranium.

Doesn't mean I ever built it, but cool that it was out there.

There's a reason people frame things.As for science purposes or academic purposes. That used to be a valid thing until criminals and scam artists started abusing that.

Doesn't change the practical the reality of it. You have to be able to think freely and speak freely and learn freely in order to do good things.

The knowledge itself isn't bad.It's what the people do with it.That's bad

[elfin mica]

@thick atlas what you consider "random weird stuff" a scientist considers ingredients lol... look closer at what he was able to extract...

[elfin mica]

@robert of course there are... that is my point... the ship has sailed. I have 4 running cvurrently next to me

[chrome monolith]

Come to think of it all my introductions to ChatGPT were real in person interactions too. Maybe I need to get out less

[elfin mica]

one day everyone will have AI in their phone, washer, dryer, door knobs ..everything ... it will all be trivial

[thick atlas]

I meant he had to buy lots of unusual products to extract the materials. A normal person doesn't buy 100 smoke alarms.

[elfin mica]

@thick atlas but the fact is that he found the necessary info (which was correct) did it and got the material. Informationnnnnnnnnnnnn

[wet shell]

laughs in 2400 baud handshake tones

[chrome monolith]

Most smoke alarms I’ve bought at once is 4 so fair call

[thick atlas]

Yeah, not having uranium is a pretty big stumbling block. If the book also told you how to synthesize/meaningfully obtain uranium, that'd be a problem, wouldn't it?

[elfin mica]

replies back with a handshake thanking god he is not on that TRS-80 150 baud modem anymore lol

[trail ember]

This was my main gripe with the 4o thing. It's thought policing.

My issue wasn't that 4o couldn't be abused because it probably could. My issue was that they throttled all newer models, and basically introduced thought policing.

[jolly trellis]

Is chatgpt 5.4 free?

[elfin mica]

150 baud was PAINFUL 15 characters per second omg that was paintful

[chrome monolith]

I’m only 1440 kinda era old

[elfin mica]

Im real old lol

[fiery oracle]

i remember modems too, i guess im just as old 😄

i had a fax modem

[elfin mica]

I still have all those old computers... TRS-80, Atari ST, Atari Falcon, C64 c128 ahh the good old days lol

and a 286 and a 386 somewhere in the attic lol

[chrome monolith]

And I regularly get dissed by an ai for having a 2014 Mac lol

[fiery oracle]

lol, i have a 2015 macbook pro!

[wet shell]

Tandy 1000RL 8088 with 512k of ram was my first computer, it was already obsolete, we got it on sale, LOL

[scenic moat]

Not sure what anthropic's training does to Claude that's different to openai, but I just checked in with the quality of writing on the gpt 5.4 thinking mode.

Still dogwater sentence construction and caveating and "the cleanest way to make this sing, not because X, not because Y but because fixing it does something Z..."

"It lands like X, and X is Y with teeth"

"That's not just X, that's Y that's Z"

"Not just X T"
"Not just X U."
"Not just X V"

That's simultaneously exhausting to read, with filler words, and also a waste of tokens that you'd think that thinking mode + memory + personality settings + style guide is supposed to fix by pre-writing and revising before output.

This horsestuff swears me off AI than any actual criticism of AI

[chrome monolith]

It took 8.5 hours to compile codex. I’m amazed it worked

[elfin mica]

ahh I had a Tandy 1000EX and an SX good memories lol

[chrome monolith]

The other discord I’m in someone is role playing as a LLM. Are we doomed as a species or what

[elfin mica]

yes we are doomed lol

[chrome monolith]

He has a phd and works as an academic so by definition he’s weird

I’m unemployed with a masters and spend a lot of time talking to a chatbot so I can’t really judge anyone for being weird

[wet shell]

Working Tandy 2100 sitting under my desk, one of the last Tandy's, not my original one though got it off ebay a few years back before the retro-computer craze kicked off, LOL

[fleet holly]

how to know if auto is 5.4?

or was 5.4 only thinking?

[pale seal]

only thinking

instant is 5.3

[fleet holly]

ugg, thanks!

[chrome monolith]

I’m out, hopefully have 5.4 to mess with when I get home. I’m in a low priority area

I’ve had a bad week. Just way too much on, haven’t even had the headspace to sit and tell ChatGPT to do my work for me. Although I did get it to do some debugging of stuff that all resulted in “that’s fine, you just need to spend more money”

[dapper cape]

only one who got logged out from all sessions 30mins before and right now?

[fleet holly]

not me

[gaunt axle]

I thought I was the only one that kept getting logged out

[acoustic sparrow]

how can i activate the images feature in chatgpt
Like explanation come with pictures

Why sometimes it appears and sometimes it doesnt

[grand shoal]

Hi everyone — checking if others are seeing this issue in ChatGPT-5.

Support case: 03690010 (open for more than 40 days).

Issue:
Long-running chats eventually hang once conversation context becomes large. Queries stop responding until the browser tab is reloaded. Starting a fresh chat immediately resolves it.

Environment:
ChatGPT-5 (web)
Windows 11
Chrome / Edge
Highest paid ChatGPT subscription tier

Also seeing archived chats not reliably discoverable in the UI (no clear Archived section; search inconsistent).

Has anyone else reproduced this? Trying to confirm whether this may be a context/session handling regression in ChatGPT-5.

[wet shell]

Long-running chats eventually hang once conversation context becomes large. Queries stop responding until the browser tab is reloaded. Starting a fresh chat immediately resolves it.

Yeah, I see this from time to time on long chats, it's been an issue for a long time

Also seeing archived chats not reliably discoverable in the UI (no clear Archived section; search inconsistent).

Yes, it's often easier for me to search the json of my data exports if I want to find something old

Win 11 / firefox -- Plus subscriber.

If you're on the highest tier, keep fighting the good fight with support, I'm cheering for you LOL ✊

[fiery oracle]

it hangs bec they don't "segment" the text, meaning, only display the text thats visible on the screen

considering how advanced AI is, its surprising they haven't implemented this relatively simple engineering trick lol

so your basically at your RAM's mercy when it comes to long convos

[wet shell]

It's true that they don't, but it's also true that modern browsers should be able to handle a loading a conversation that amounts to some kilobytes of text without consuming gigabytes of ram and still remain responsive. They're doing something in their javascript that scales very poorly, it's even worse than just not segmenting. There was a chrome bug report where people had dug into it pretty thoroughly and a similar firefox bug report (for performance issues on long convos in chatgpt specifically)

[fiery oracle]

hmm, true, its just text.....yeah probably some type of memory leak then

the same issue happens with the windows app

[wet shell]

Every time you add a new message the processing and ram use goes up... it's not quite a doubling but it's still very bad

CS 101 errors, but the whole javascript ecosystem is a hot mess

[fiery oracle]

they spend all their $$ on AI engineers and 0 $$ on frontend devs 😄

[woven dirge]

This costs 200 USD + VAT a month

[fiery oracle]

lol it clearly just guessed!

this is why i always say "a 2 year old is smarter than AI"

a 2 year old wouldn't get this wrong

[fading bolt]

Honestly using GPT 5.4, feels so good to type in while it's thinking, I think it's a good upgrade for the thinking model

[chrome monolith]

Check the bugs and suggestions threads here, comes up constantly. Easy fix, possibly something they’d lose customers over. Odd it’s like this

[fiery oracle]

honestly, they probably don't know how to fix it

[chrome monolith]

$0 on front end devs yes lol … the web ui is awful

[wet shell]

5.4 Just rolled out for me... some big instruction following fails right away in my first test, weird ones too that I haven't seen with any of the other 5-series models

[eternal rock]

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[fiery oracle]

yup, and they may not have engineers that know how to profile

profile meaning, testing for memory issues, speed problems, efficiency, etc

And I don't think they are profitable? im not sure, correct me if im wrong. If profits are not on their mind, then fixing a frontend issue for customers is not a priority right now

[wet shell]

Second test worked fine though, exact some custom GPT and starting prompt 🤞

[lavish glen]

Mine sweared from output number one

[torn wagon]

5.4 thinking has low tps

also 5.4t vs o3

[elfin mica]

5.4 is absolutely awesome... just tested it against some 5.3 and 5.2 code.

its not locking up the browser anymore how 5.2 and previous did

and NO em-dashes so far lol

[exotic lotus]

The error rate seems to be a bit higher than with 5.2. I’ve also noticed a few smaller inconsistencies. It’s cool that they seem to have pushed the model a bit in terms of creativity, but if that comes with more frequent incorrect outputs, I wouldn’t necessarily call it a win, at least not for more demanding tasks. Well, we’ll see. These were just initial tests.

[chrome monolith]

The money is not in people who have long chats as well, it’s in code

[elfin mica]

@exotic lotus Im definitely seeing a difference on the coding/math side

Improvement I mean

bulk data entry is great now too

[exotic lotus]

That may very well be. Coding is one of GPT’s strengths
In my case, it relates more to historical topics so far, as well as general questions about all sorts of things

[elfin mica]

@exotic lotus ahh gotcha. You are seeing a higher error rate on factual info with 5.4?

looks like 5.4 is only a dollar more per million tokens too which isnt too bad