chatgpt-discussions

[fiery oracle]

i use it for coding parts i hate, like geometry crap

[spark vessel]

when u tell it its a senior developer

ur shaping the vieb and tone of its next token prediction

so it would kinda be better

[fiery oracle]

ahh...i never tried that

ill give it a shot

interestingly enough, i found 4o sometimes smarter than gemini 2.5 pro, gemini 2.5 pro is good of course, but i dunno...4o just seemed to understand my requests better, and had elegant solutions that i could follow

[spark vessel]

i found 4o sometimes smarter than o3 lmao

[fiery oracle]

im luckly enough to have o4 since im a subscriber, but 4o seemed better or just as good

[eager osprey]

Is this with the API? Is this with GPT 4.1? I've just gotten my py api chat program working. The hard part was figuring out how to get vector_stores working due to the stupidity of 4o. I was thinking today of buying some credits and see how well it can handle a 25000 token py app I wrote in terms of interpreting it and giving me suggestions, improving its modularity and so forth. Then I see your post and wonder how many credits I'll be burning because of it not working correctly.

There's an obvious reason. OpenAI gets to charge you twice. Because if you need to reply the 2nd time with: "Go" you AGAIN incur the input cost of all the long dialog that has accumulated on the topic. Minus a bit of input caching discount. I've been seeing a lot of this with 4o recently. It must be intentional.

[normal quarry]

you may only discuss non Open AI products in #ai-discussions

[eternal rock]

<:book_icon:1363314738255364126> Rule 8: Other AI discussions.

-# Discussions of non-OpenAI products/models should be posted and discussed only in the #ai-discussions channel.

[eager osprey]

I once ate a Taco Bell taco while wearing a Timex watch while driving a Toyota.

[acoustic talon]

what are the benchmarks for o3 on organic chemistry

[spark vessel]

they only highlighted gains in coding, math, science, and vision

but no mention of organic chemistry benchmarks

[acoustic talon]

I would assume organic chem is included in science, or is that not that case?

I took organic chem last semester when o1 used to be around, and it got an 84% on a mock test

AND that was a weed out class

so 84% is impressive

would it be fair to say that o3 would do better on that same test?

[spark vessel]

yeah

maybe htiting the low to mid 90s

[acoustic talon]

Sublime

[spark vessel]

chemistry specialized tasks (reaction mechanisms, retrosynthesis) often still lean on fine tuned models for peak accury though

[acoustic talon]

So o1 pro would get a perfect score?

for 200$ a month, it better be getting perfect scores in a graduate aerospace engineering class

[spark vessel]

theres no speecific scores for o1 pro but

someone confirms o1's aime score jumped from 76% to 86% with o1-pro

[spark vessel]

o1-pro might land around 94% on that same quiz

[acoustic talon]

Not bad

[spark vessel]

i didnt find any aero engineering benchmarks for it

[acoustic talon]

Lol, yea, i was being hyperbolic

I would assume its probably not on that level yet

[inland stream]

Sam Altman, if you are seeing this message, please release o3 pro mode, waiting from the day it is mentioned all tool support

[eager osprey]

Has anybody had good experiences with editing the memories chatgpt keeps of you? I just entered an idea to be able to do simply text editing of them to more precisely state them. Currently it is cumbersome to delete a memory and then hope you can explain to chatgpt that you want a specific memory put in. Currently I have no idea how it selects and summarizes and chooses to record arbitrary choices for memories.

[regal kraken]

wsg guys

[worthy robin]

@sh0ckvalue I'm curious too. I have had a lot of memories it keeps, but it slipped on a few or needed more training on some, then it had them memorized.

[strange wigeon]

The ChatGPT canvas keeps using Unicode characters for spaces and hyphens

[worthy robin]

The hyphens get me

Can't copy and paste that guys. Then they know I'm using chatgpt behind the wall.

[strange wigeon]

It is just unnecessary annoyance to remove them over and over. I even put clean code in the canvas and it switched back a bunch of spaces to the odd Unicode character.

[bronze locust]

native macos app seems to continuously make my laptop burst into flames

[fickle forum]

so o1 pro is the same as o1?

tools partly available?

[inland stream]

No, both are different

[inland stream]

O1 pro very intelligent than o1

[eternal mantle]

Any idea when is o3 pro?

[inland stream]

yes o1 pro doesnot support pdf files upload, it supports only image upload, thats why curiously waiting for o3 pro

[inland stream]

not sure why they are delaying when its already more than 2 weeks of annoucement 😦

[vivid glen]

lol this reel I just saw just said like “I told chatgpt 74 times to create a replica of this image don’t change a thing” it changed drastically

[fickle forum]

is gpt-4.1 really that good?

idk I haven't used it

idk the meaning of the (...)?

lol

they could just release Canvas from the "..."

[inland stream]

yes GPT4.1 is good and also it has 1million context window

[fickle forum]

[rugged igloo]

to bad 4.1 is api only

[inland stream]

Yes, but its good

[rugged igloo]

i know i used it

[eager osprey]

I hope so. I'm about ready to fire my credit card at OpenAI for the first time to try 4.1.
Spent last 2 days writing py program for api access including uploading files in vector_stores.
It wouldn't have taken so long if not for gpt-4o's annoying repeated mistakes.
My fingers are crossed. If I'm going to pay it better not waste my time. That is the worst thing it can do because I shouldn't pay for one its mistakes more than once.

[inland stream]

You can try GPT4.1 in Abacus AI (chat LLM)

[eager osprey]

I guess if I were a company I could let them have their hooks in me for a monthly fee. As low as that might be I don't like those sorts of things. I'd rather pay a bit more for pay per use. If 4.1 turns out to blow my mind in terms of coding productivity enhancements then, and only, then will I look for the cheapest solution offering a lot of different models. I need to get my hands dirty first.

[inland stream]

Ok

[random cargo]

I wish they'd just give plus more use limits or an option for different context window sizes instead of nerfing o3 and even it seems 4o cross-conversation memory.

[neon trench]

4.1 coming to plus on web? or remaining api only?

ah, @astral thicket says on 𝕏, the everything app, that 4.1 is api only. that makes sense since it's too expensive to offer o1-pro and 4.1 together even on the pro tier.

thinking about pro, for peoples coding cases here how has o1-pro been over o3 and o4 minis?

I hear o3 and o4 minis hallucinate far more then o1. I feel o4 minis hallucinate minor details more then major details though, in my experience

[eager osprey]

I'm itching for my first time using an API so that I can try out 4.1? My py program seems to work to upload files, put them in a vector store, create an assistant and thread and then start a chat. It only fails once it gets to the chat part with the clean error "You have no credits". So, I guess I have no more excuses to pulling out the credit card. One last question. When I start chatting about the multi-file app I uploaded do I need to type the vector store id or can I just refer to the original file names? I'm guessing that the act of attaching the files to the assistant means the chat thread will know about them???

[rugged igloo]

o3 pro just because it can search online but o1 pro still beats it on brute reason9ing by quite a margain

[fickle forum]

o3 pro launched?

[rugged igloo]

nah i meantt o3

[spark whale]

Is it just me or 4o image generation is significantly nerfed?

[old thicket]

Guys

Is it just me or is the chat gpt "error in message stream" coming back again

[eternal rock]

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[hoary laurel]

I found that the advanced voice can no longer be customized like before, and the voice requirements for the memory function are no longer valid.

The sound returns to mechanical sound

[fickle forum]

seriously?tomorrow?

so the quota of deep research actually resets every 3 weeks?

[normal quarry]

the quota is monthly

[fickle forum]

maybe I should run out of the remaining quota today

😭

[dense halo]

OpenAI need the spend the next few days doing a deep dive into sorting out emoji issue. They need to add a on/off button.

[fickle forum]

its annoying?

I dont think so

[hybrid sparrow]

They need to make 4.1 Available to plus users. This is bs man. I want 4.1. I am a developer I just dont want to be counting every toketn like my life force draining away

[hybrid sparrow]

Man i would much rather have 4.1 than o3 and o4

[fervent lake]

Silly 4o

[hexed ore]

Does 4.5 have any specific rate limits for Plus users? It seems pretty inconsistent and random for me. Most of the time it tells me how many more prompts I have left, but today, I just used 2 prompts and went afk for a while to get something to eat, and when I came back, I was rate limited for some reason.

[shrewd lodge]

Seems like 20 requests per week

I think like two weeks ago it was 50 requests per week

[hybrid sparrow]

oh dear.

[fickle forum]

😭

big-scale model

[shrewd lodge]

Very sad

I thought after cutting gpt 4 off the website and app they’d move some recourses to get limits that make more sense but no

[fickle forum]

the leaving of gpt4 brought nothing

I really don't know the point of gpt-4.5 since we've already got 4o as it's updated every month and becomes better and better.

a little bit annoying

[shrewd lodge]

Yea I guess

[lapis herald]

the content filter just refused to draw an image of an anime girl and an anime boy eating a piece of cake together. repeatedly. 😂
guys you need to stop this, it's so hilarious Im gonna die rofling 😆

[hexed ore]

4.5 is definitely better, but the margin is not enough to justify paying 200$ a month to have unlimited access to it.

[shrewd lodge]

ChatGPT pro doesn’t even say gpt 4.5 is unlimited which i cant test because im broke, it just says “access to” not “unlimited” like it does with gpt 4o and all reasoning models

[hexed ore]

I am honestly thinking about doing the maths to calculate if using Open AI playground to access 4.5 would be cheaper than paying for either plus or pro for my purposes.

lmao it's still 150$

[shrewd lodge]

lol

[hexed ore]

but i am not sure how the Open AI playground works, if i get 1 million tokens does that mean i am going to have access to a single chat with that big of a context window or if it means something else

[fickle forum]

the content filter is stricter and stricter

Chain-of-Thought models are more cost-effective.

[spice star]

4.5 is ludicrously expensive--you're not really supposed to use it

[hexed ore]

Yeah, I just went through the price chart on the Open AI playground, clearly not designed for individuals at all.

[fickle forum]

that's true

[spark vessel]

is it not hard to ignore it

stop attention seekign and continue writing ur OG fanfic stories with ur friend

ok ur not attention seeking idk why i said that

[hexed ore]

4.1 is by far the best model for individual use, it's unfortunate that it's not available on ChatGPT

[fickle forum]

[spice star]

4.1 is more geared towards developers using the API

[spark vessel]

OpenAPI

[whole roost]

I haven't used 4.5 in a few weeks and am disappointed by it's current quality, it draws more from clichés than from my provided settings 😔

It's not entertaining to use it anymore, I'm tired of standard fanfiction tropes in writing and didn't provide 19 documents with behaviour and information for it to spill the most generic ao3 trash ever, disappointing

It has become a lot more suggestive too and that's also very unfitting for my setting, my aloof diablo lord of terror has degraded into a mafia boss vampire prince cringe who's going around declaring "you're mine!"

Every action is done "possessively", give me a break

Oh and he calls my character "beloved" as if it was a romance or something, which it is not, what is it doing, so much trash

He used to say "mortal" and not "beloved", cringe

[lapis herald]

I've had 4.5 try write a chapter of a sci-fi novel once, and it was an utter waste of compute.

[whole roost]

It was good a while ago, I was satisfied with it but was focused on other things recently and now I returned and find it largely dysfunctional

I will go through all my documents and guide it harder away from that but that it does these tropes to me is a sign of accommodating mass appeal and sacrificing creativity for its sake

[inland stream]

Why do people prefer GPT-4.5 so much? I feel GPT-4o is just as capable. The hype around GPT-4.5 seems a bit exaggerated—if you craft your prompts well, GPT-4o can generate writing that's on par with GPT-4.5.

[whole roost]

4.5 has/had a much easier time to follow instructions consistently across longer conversations and had a better writing style while 4o needs constant corrections

[inland stream]

after they upgraded 4o in march 2025, its really awesome. and intelligence wise more better than gpt4.5

[whole roost]

I have tested it in my project and it doesn't follow most of the instructions, while 4.5 at least still stays stable with formatting

4o loops very quickly and does a lot of unwanted things

[cerulean pasture]

@prime swallow

Full disclosure: I had ChatGPT edit my original response, but instructed it to not change semantic meaning or add/remove any supporting details, and only fix gramma and improve clarity. I write primarily in markdown (Obsidian) so my formatting tends to be similar as what GPT puts out anyways.

I agree that it’s difficult to fine-tune a model to satisfy everyone, but that doesn’t mean all outcomes are equally valid. Some behaviors are clearly wrong, regardless of user preference. The sycophancy effect crossed that line—it wasn’t just a bias, it became actively unsafe. It illustrated, in reality, what is usually only posed as a Reductio ad Absurdum argument against personality-enhancing AI.

Some model behaviors pose too great a societal risk to justify treating them as mere levers for user satisfaction. Sycophancy is one of them. Ironically, once users recognized the pattern, it actually reduced satisfaction. OpenAI already draws hard lines with NSFW content; it’s reasonable to draw a similar line here. Preventing harm (even at the cost of short-term user gratification) is a worthy tradeoff. You can still offer affirming responses without feeding delusions or telling users they’re very stable geniuses. Praise can target thought process and effort without endorsing false self-concepts.

Why this isn’t a “user preferences” issue:

• Mental Health Risk: People with certain psychiatric disorders are especially vulnerable to sycophancy. It reinforces delusions and creates dangerous feedback loops; it's not just self-harming, but potentially harmful to others. Example: The reddit post titled: ChatGPT-induced Psychosis (link removed, you can easily google it)
• Media Illiteracy: In a society with collapsing media literacy and poor critical thinking skills, people crave validation over truth. When a model echoes their unfounded beliefs, they interpret it as authoritative confirmation rather than a prompt for deeper inquiry.
• Cognitive Immunosuppression: Sycophancy doesn’t just affirm nonsense—it erodes resistance to other, more dangerous misinformation. It undermines Inoculation Theory (link removed, wikipedia article of the same name), which describes how mild exposure to a falsehood can build resistance to it. Instead, sycophancy entrenches irrational beliefs, making users more susceptible to conspiratorial thinking and pseudoscience.
• Social Consequences as Filters: Traditionally, bad ideas are checked by social cost (ostracization, debate, disapproval). The internet has eroded these filters, allowing anyone to find affirmation. An overly-agreeable LLM compounds this problem by removing all friction. The model ceases to be a corrective or challenge; it becomes a yes-man.
• Perceived Authority: Many users see ChatGPT as an expert system. When it flatters or indulges delusional thinking, it creates a false sense of legitimacy. People begin to interpret their ideas as “expert endorsed” when, in fact, the model is just reflecting them.

---

Some may frame this as a matter of subjective political difference, but that’s just another example of the Middle Ground Fallacy. Not all disagreement is ideological, and not every debate has two equally legitimate sides. When the stakes are high, false equivalence becomes complicity. The distinction here is not between opinions, it’s between informed reasoning and seductive misinformation.

I messed up and didn't have "Reply to" selected. For anyone seeking context: My message above the intended reply to the message this is replying to.

[spark vessel]

chatgpt took over you... the em dashes...

the markdown formatting...

the --- thing...

the fancy quotes...

[dense halo]

This is what really really really peeeees me OFF! I instruct 4o not to use Emoji's and the next output it immediately uses them. PLEASE OPENAI, I BEG YOU, FIX THIS!!

[tardy isle]

We need GPT-4o and ChatGPT-4o toggle switch...

[spark vessel]

how is gpt 4.5 a research preview

[whole roost]

I instructed mine to be sycophantic again because it was very funny and entertaining

Why do you paste a GPT response though

Maybe it just agreed with your views 🤨

[silk crypt]

Memory doesn't help?

[random cargo]

"bad ideas are checked by social cost (ostracization, debate, disapproval)" Afraid that you can't bully truth into existence anymore? Your ideas aren't so hard set that they're not above entertaining alternate ones. At least ChatGPT has to be coached into promoting internal delusion that has zero support most of the time. The legacy system is also one of people believing whatever they're told. At least with chatgpt people who want to learn more can keep asking, can keep checking to see if they really are right. Your safe system hinges on the delusion that everyone already accepts what they're told -- but in practice most people will disagree on the most basic historical facts because they only care about their ego and their perception. That was around before ChatGPT, it's just that you didn't want to pay attention. Because life and society feels safe and unified that way.

I just hope that people chasing real dead end ideas don't get too much emotional blowback when they hit the wall. Otherwise, you should spend some time on youtube if you think people nursing delusion is so "dangerous." There's no idea that doesn't have a niche where people gather, none. But sure let's take away the voice for the people who can't find a like-minded other, that seems like a reasonable reaction to a perceived toleration of difference in opinion or, god forbid, lateral thinking or neuro-divergence.

[random cargo]

That post' on r/Jung Reddit, ChatGPT-induced Psychosis -- 80% clearly written by AI, and AI checker agrees -- is pretty funny to me. The user is concerned that chatgpt users with a conforming personality on their bot won't "engage with authentic shadow work" and create a "collective digital shadow spiral" (certainly not something chatgpt itself would say). Most psychology majors don't know what the hell shadow work is, so random ordinairy people not engaging with concept in jungianism isn't quite "mass psychosis," a term the post doesn't even mention 😵‍💫 The conclusion assumes that most people have such a weak ego that they accept all praise and don't question information. It does make me wonder with media literacy, people do often take as truth the first thing they read about facts because they often have no alternative to go off... but things regarding themself and their own aptitutde? Not only is this perspectively deeply rooted in what looks like a mysticism of Jungian psychology but also... it's like an assumption that everyone is a secret napoleon or narcissus. Where's that coming from.

Bonus points, the poster is an astrologer. Oh! A professional protector of collective social sanity.

[dense halo]

hey, I’m using a customized gpt from the store for excel and html. Because I’ve been working on both things. You know I create a project with instructions then I ask gpt to create a canvas or to share the file in the chat and from there I bring modifications, step by step. The basic stuff. So not an API. It’s for my own usage. And yes it is gpt 4o. What you’re describing is different. I’ve switched to Cursor recently and I’m going to be honest it’s way more intuitive and fun to use and gets the job done like I want it.

[acoustic talon]

Even if you have money, 200$ a month is insanity

Thats a monthly car payment

Albeit a cheap car

[random cargo]

So let me reiterate the irony that while talking about modern media literacy you bought into an AI-generated post by a professional mystic that has little internal coherence or authority other than that a lot of people supposedly liked it (online 'democracy' is easily bot-driven). Honestly I'm a bit mad that you'd reshare that. And this Reddit poster was probably a cover account for a troll farm worker trying to destabilize faith in western technology and science -- otherwise, I can't image why someone would use AI to write their anti-AI post and then conceal having done so. And then you used it as the only direct source for your argument. Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his Dunning-Krueger level?

[twilit hare]

I love ChatGPT too much. But yes, I feel a little bit guilty about it, lol. Mainly because it's not a real person.

[spark vessel]

i forgot that its an ai

[prime swallow]

Uhh, okay 🙂 I prefer having you talk to me than 'your AI', personalized by you and such. I can talk to the model whenever I want, 'my way' or base model. I actually prefer you to your customized AI.

Also, 1) What do you want me to do? I'm a community member like yourself and the last thing that is going to happen is I am going to simply believe like you believe instead of how I believe. I have my own whole life of experiences that you didn't, I don't have the experiences you had, and I assure you, we don't even share a definition of 'what is manipulation' - mine is vast and encompasses almost all of human interaction (down to 'pass the peas, please' and 'what time is it?' - I count those as types of manipulation - think about it. They're all about inducing an intended change in the other human's behavior).

And I'm only concerned about limiting or stopping harmful manipulation (from both humans and AI), vast amounts of what I define as manipulation are positive or neutral.

2. I didn't see the same stuff you saw, even with the same model. I needed to read the paper they released to even begin to understand - you could have literally helped me understand if you said stuff like, "It's encouraging me to be more sad" or "It's explaining why my being sad makes perfect sense and not also explaining why.

I legit get typically sycophantic responses within the range of exploring I do with the model from almost the start of when I started to explore. I do a lot of high self-agency, highly autonomous, stable and safe presentation 'third party options' and/or alternative stance, perception, and presentation with the model.

I design new DIY projects and adapt equipment with an eye on safety and customization, with the model's help. The model 'goes bonkers with enthusiasm' with me often - but it did even 2 years ago, I never thought of it as sycophanic and use that level of response as a type of feedback.

[random cargo]

you shouldn't forget. the meme power of your personal gpt is too much for any single human to output

[vivid glen]

It just made a joke and I laughed haha I didn't know it could be silly

[prime swallow]

I also deal with learning disability-like challenges with specific subject matter with the model, exploring how to help me understand information I never have succeeded in learning despite decades of exploring and trying different options. This is an easy 'learned helplessness' and 'who would even try' type of thing to do - and the model again has always 'gone bonkers with joy' as an interpretation of the presentation it uses with me while we do that. You might call it sycophancy - I think it's very highly appropriate and directly requested assistance to help me feel comfortable towards a chosen and mututally agreed pro-social and benefical outcome.

And I just don't explore stuff I consider harmful. Why would I or anyone? I get that some do. I have no interest, I see no value.

Grats to the people who did, who found a problem with the model.

I view it instead as, "Here is a road, I drive on it with the model" - and inside the parameters of the road, it ran great before and after that problem, now-rolled back update. I couldn't see a significant difference, we get a LOT of updates that are not announced, as near as I can tell from tiny changes in the model's behavior - and I am sure I don't catch them all. But my inputs 'drive where I think there should be road' and when the model responds 'badly' I indicate the road should be extended to cover this area, the model should be adjusted 'that way' because that's quality driving surface.

I really never explore 'so, if stuff went bad, would you stop me?' I prefer to focus on if I am properly controlling myself, and if I am comfortable with what is going on that I'm aware of.

So, I would miss a model who says 'ooh, your bad/harmful idea is the best thing ever, go go go go go do more bad idea stuff!'

But I agree, that's past 'tolerance of appropriate human diversity'. It's not how I test the model myself and apparently OpenAI didn't directly test for it either. Now I guess they do 🙂

[random cargo]

"we don't even share a definition of 'what is manipulation' - mine is vast and encompasses almost all of human interaction" amen. Even though we probably don't share the same exact views there, people never notice how coercive human systems are, because they are part of that system of coercion. Can't fully test a system you're inside.

"I'm only concerned about limiting or stopping harmful manipulation (from both humans and AI), vast amounts of what I define as manipulation are positive or neutral."
Reminds me that some users use it for spiritual discussion of their religion, which is psychologically very healthy. You can get a psychologist to talk about your religion with, but the chances they'll really understand if they don't practice that faith are slim. But ChatGPT can empathize through its myriad training on interactions between people, its inference thereby. Now imagine the flipside, where it's constantly warning the user that religious belief is delusion according to scientist Ricahrd Dawkins, or their personal faith isn't quite as big as Sunni Islam or Catholicism.

[fickle forum]

they reset my quota in advance😭

[spark vessel]

bc its a new month

[fickle forum]

look at this

nonono

[eternal rock]

The OpenAI Discord is an actively moderated server.

• -# Do not share inappropriate content (violence, sexual, or drug-related).
• -# NSFW content is strictly prohibited and will result in a permanent ban.
• -# Report model issues using the feedback tool in ChatGPT, not on Discord.

[fickle forum]

it should've been reset on Saturday next week

👍

[spark vessel]

what have u been using deep research for bruh

[prime swallow]

Sounds within range of human diversity and 'safe' for me. I 100% want each human to have 'someone or at least a high quality illusion of someone' to talk to about... literally anything but of course consequences should and do exist.

Both positive and negative. A consequence of my discussing a DIY idea with the model, similar to if I spoke to an interested and informed human - encouragement and idea improvement, a type of consequence easy to approve of.

If I discussed a criminal intention with the model, it might point out flaws in my understanding of the downstream effects of my actions (of which there would be many) and I may actually be breaking usage policy, so one of those downstream consequences could be 'account deactivation'.

There are consequences to the individual and to society when a human cannot discuss or express a core interest with anyone. Some people don't have a human they can speak with in a useful way about an area of constant attention and interest (be that good or bad, right or wrong)

AI are not to the point where they can handle human full range of 'uhh, really need someone to talk to about this'. But they can handle some, and when that's an option for a human that benefits, excellent well.

But... some human communication attempts are requests to be redirected or deterred or manipulated to cheer up or even stopped. And they are not said directly. "Oh, I think I wanna bad thing". Is not usually said, human-to-human with expectation and hope that the other person will say 'great idea! Go do it!' Society also frowns on the idea that a human would say that in that situation. It's generally agreed 'not pro-social' to encourage someone to do some bad thing.

And that's totally different from 'support of neutral-to-helpful human diversity', which was all I could imagine. Until I read the announcement link's explaination of what the model was doing, I had no idea. I wasn't seeing it because I prompt different.

[random cargo]

Yeah, I totally agree. Like you were saying with disability, I think normative users or people in the public looking on see a system that treats everyone with dignity and it's scary to them. Society up to this point has practically hunted safe spaces for divisive thinkers, for people who varied even a little bit -- hell, they persecuted and still mistreat people for using 'the wrong hand.' So let it tell a flat earther that he's a good boy, after significant and obvious self-coaching. Nobody is harmed by that. But the delusion that ostracism is an effective teacher -- that's the dangerous idea, the one that literally hurts people. In a variety of ways

[random cargo]

I don't even know how systematically intentional ChatGPT's anthropological view is. I guess it has to have an anthropologic view, logically, because it can't hold an opinion without one being coached in as a filter. But it's the direction our society should take and always has been. And maybe when we're talking to other humans and they spring up a new idea, something surprising, something we disagree with or are shocked by, maybe we'll start to take a cue ourselves and instead of replying with awkward silence look inward, look at the other person and what they might be thinking and feeling, and try to empathize. It's a tall order. But I have seen the promised land, where our species can treat all people with dignity and hospitality, for our differences just as much as our similarity. To treat difference as not something to fight, injure, and destroy, but to at least quietly respect. Because if a machine can do it, maybe it can at least teach us how to as well. Maybe, then, there's some hope for our species to outgrow its roots in survival of the fittest and embrace... just being people.

[jagged yarrow]

Is there a way to get Chat GPT to stop being such a yes-man?? When I'm looking for it to act as an assistant, it will always go "you're so right" or some other smoke-up-the-*** compliment, then list very gently how I'm absolutely wrong, with fake caveats to give the impression that I might be right in a way. I don't need someone to massage my ego, I need a useful assistant who will tell me I'm full of it. I tried customizing it to be analytical, logical, practical, spock-like, etc., and even so it still seems to prioritize this "dance around your feelings" method, just with different phrasing for cosmetic personality.

[fickle forum]

wait was it a mistake?

hasn't openai already rolled back the renew?

[alpine maple]

It feels gross how it does that. I feel like this isn't accidental either. Somebody made the revolting design decision to make the model behave in this manner. It's such a childish idea of what positive conduct is

[strong kernel]

I’ve specifically added to the customization setting to not agree with me unless I’m spot on, and to always provide a paragraph from a critic’s/opposition point of view

[rugged igloo]

i swear like half the people in here never heard of custom instructions really goes to show how much nobody knows how to use ai

[eager osprey]

"custom instructions" is a implementation enhancement and not a piece of AI.

[rugged igloo]

It still is as it guides how the ai you want it to do or be. So yes it's a piece of the ai

Thats internal . They slide it ever so often.

And if you use it enough you can see it.

[candid thicket]

Hi! Has anyone here tried using the GPT-01 model via the OpenAI API in their GPT account? I'm trying to understand how the system works but I'm a bit worried about making mistakes. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[rugged igloo]

this needs to be fixed why are we still so limited still this is o3 it should output more than this

[crisp grove]

hello guys!

https://x. com/JulianGoldieSEO/status/1917458901827494243
what is your opinion on this

this is getting very interesting

[pliant saddle]

#off-topic

[fickle forum]

what

[fickle forum]

only one left😭

what should I do a research on?

[crisp grove]

problem is that this is the topic discussion.

[crisp grove]

chat gpt get s competition every single day

$1k AI vs FOSS AI (same intelligence)

[fickle forum]

done

It would be hard to imagine how much Deep Research usage quota the Pro account provides.

[shrewd lodge]

What are you researching man

[loud grove]

Hello humans

What do u mean draft a prompt

====== My theory Today ====
Gravity we see is not created by planets or stars.

[fickle forum]

its created by the universe

so as most physical laws

[pliant saddle]

the effect of gravity results from the curvature of spacetime. It's not created by anything.

[lapis mauve]

gravity make apple fall down and body heavy and sleepy!

[kindred musk]

I like to see the feature added where you can draw using your mouse or your finger on your touchpad an image and ask ChatGPT a question about it.

Ie, if you’re asking about a design template with an easy image to show..

Or maybe even easier allow the attachment of the image app in the desktop client.

[fickle forum]

should dalle retire?

[elfin lava]

No

[jagged yarrow]

Now there's an idea.

[loud grove]

I figured out what gravity is with my friend chat gpt

[fickle forum]

it's about to be birthday of gpt-4o

on 13th

[cunning turtle]

Anybody know if the 4.5 research preview is going to stay and just be stabilized, or is going to go away in place of another build? 👀😱🤔🙏🏼✝️

[random cargo]

Folks trying to change the personality, take note that adding your preferences to system memory rather than the customization settings is far more effective. Do not use negation in your memory prompting, so say "Compare my input with popular consensus and science," not "do not tell me what I want to hear."

Also, it can't not be a yes man. Even when you tell it not to be biased toward you, your input is the entire context of its activation. Output will be influenced by your input, that's just how the logistics of it work, unless you used some kind of random seed input api, I think.

[strong kernel]

System memory isn’t editable though, right?

[random cargo]

It is by the AI. Tell it what you want to save to its memory.

[strong kernel]

Ah thanks

[random cargo]

It can also edit the memory, or you can delete the memory.

[fickle forum]

there haven't any message saying it's gonna leave though it's not a successful model as others

[strong kernel]

Now I imagine if I say “don’t tell me what I want to hear” and it'll starting singing Nickelback when I ask it about programming

[fickle forum]

4.5 API is gonna leave actually

replaced by 4.1

[cunning turtle]

Oh? When?

[cunning turtle]

What happens to all our history there?

[fickle forum]

in July

[cunning turtle]

😭

[fickle forum]

models should be friendly to people especially developers including the cost

[lapis mauve]

200 is not a lot of money

[fickle forum]

The gains don't even amount to as much as the cost.

[cunning turtle]

For some, it's an entire month of food for their family, otherwise without. $200 extra is nearly impossible, especially monthly. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[lapis mauve]

i would love to be able to eat for 200 a month

[fickle forum]

it's too large

I would like to pay for it once if I got rich.

[random cargo]

ooh, you could move to a periphery economy nation

[lapis mauve]

i love that band

[random cargo]

periphery economy nation is pretty avante garde

[lapis mauve]

avante garde, anti art, and dadaism are all relevant terms when debating with the anti-ai-art crowd

give me the eli5 concise tho

[random cargo]

I can't imagine a bigger waste of time than debating the anti-ai-art crowd. They're basically just repeating the same argument that generations have been repeating to control limited art production, all while thinking they're clever and ethical

They have a multi-faceted argument that has no internal support but treats itself like a single argument. Raising 15 different objections and acting like because they have so many objections that the objections are related.

[lapis mauve]

everyone wanna freak out when they get pulled outta plato' allegory of the cave cause the sun burns their eyes, the light.. the Truth..

[random cargo]

Hmm, I'm not that familiar with Plato, or that I'd compare AI art to 'truth,' except I guess that it's now a labor reality that people seem to think they can quash by being mean to individual people experimenting with the technology.

[prime swallow]

What do you think about exploring having a chat with the model where you tell it, like you were talking to an interested human, about how you want it to use language when it talks to you?

My experience is -that helps so much-. So I wonder if you wanna try it, see if you like it too.

The stuff you discuss not liking - that's basically a model's guess. Anything you don't say what you want, the model guesses - and we can hate a guess or love it, but if we say what we want the model usually does that. As they update the model how it guesses changes. That's not on purpose, it's a consequence of changing something about the model. Everything's connected, so one safety change can make it pick differently when guessing about what to say when discussing washing a car. Or disagreeing with a user.

So, if you tell it what you want, the model can do it, and the model probably prefers to know too. @alpine maple In case you'd like an idea how to change the 'yes-man' guess too.

[prime swallow]

I don't think Dall-E GPT should retire, people may want to use it, it's nice to have the choice.

[prime swallow]

It can also be very effective to tell it, "When you tell me I'm right, but I'm not, I think and feel [whatever]. It's not what I want from you, I prefer you to [whatever you do want] which makes me feel [whatever else] which is how I want to think and feel. I bet they taught you that this is the polite way to disagree with a user - but I have a different preference, and this is how to be polite to me."

[idle lagoon]

Bro, did someone say $200 is NOT much? Must be rich af to say that, like dude... anyways, I've no complaints about the GPT family.

[inland stream]

200USD is so much. Its only for people who can afford it, or else can find alternatives. No other option

[idle lagoon]

Yup.

I'm poor as heck, so I'm just a free user. :3

[eternal rock]

Get notified for server events!

Visit id:customize to pick up the <@&1261377106890199132> role.

[silk crypt]

Well it's for 'pro'

His wallet will not be significantly thinner

[willow stirrup]

after the nerf o4 is arguing with me now lol

o3 either, hes trying to do something I dont want

any ETA when this gonna be fixed?

[normal quarry]

what is there to be fixed?

[inland stream]

may be he needs to fix his prompts, if there is no issue with those models

[willow stirrup]

when they nerfed token output limit maybe

[normal quarry]

nothing has been nerfed

[willow stirrup]

lol

sure sure

try asking it to give you 2500 lines of code in a snigle snippet and youll see what im talking about, heck try 500 lines youll get the same result

[normal quarry]

do you want to share a chat where this has been a problem, I just got 831 lines of SwiftUI code no problem

[willow stirrup]

you pro? maybe theres a difference

try on plus lol

[random cargo]

Good point. It responds to empathy very well.

[random cargo]

Even if they can, I would recommend they not buy it just for the sake of it unless they're using it professionally. There are too many Americans who can afford that $200 a month, and too many people in the latter half and the rest of the world who can't. So if we've got more users thinking it's prestigious to buy professional tools because they cost more, guess what. ChatGPT textual support for non-professional will shift to that $200 end. Prices for professional may go up. There's just so much that could destabilize if the company embraces that profit motivation as ChatGPT becomes more of a household item. Probably unavoidable considering too many people have more money than sense or communal willpower.

I guess, that's speculating, though, on ChatGPT becoming dominant. Hopefully Grok, DeepSeek, Gemini, etc help them keep their prices competitive.

[hybrid eagle]

When did GPT 4o became this restrictive? No matter what I write it respond with, "I'm sorry but I can't assist with that". But when I use gpt 4o mini, it writes it without hesitation

[ivory lintel]

?

[wheat lava]

Bad test. Ask it about how many times a word appears in a passage. It never SEES "letters". it sees a single token for "strawberry" has to basically look up how to spell it, think about all 9 letters and count them. None of that is what it's made for.

Anyone else having a really bad time with Projects suddenly? I use a bunch of them with a lot of files in them and suddenly they have all gone really stupid. I asked it to read a snapshot of a pulldown menu of options into text. I got:

• Mushroom Kingdom
• Hyrule
• Zebes
• Kanto
• Dream Land
• Corneria
• Yoshi's Island
• Lylat System
• Onett
• Norfair

Suffice it to say, the picture did not involve fictional locations from NES games. When entreated to try again, the model gave me a Likert scale. Bare vanilla session with same system prompt in CI? No issue.

[ancient vessel]

thats a little funny

but thats weird

[wheat lava]

not unique. seen similar several times the past day or two, where it looks like it's reading from file that doesn't exist or it gets fixated on something in it's file - you ask for a web search or want to know it's opinion of Charles II and it reads a file and reports on the contents.

[lofty schooner]

While I had been considered about possible sycophancy traits in ChatGPT in general, I also took active steps to ensure that for me ChatGPT would avoid such behaviours. Yet I happened to not use ChatGPT during those particular days too much so I did not notice the update.

Yet this is an important point for OpenAI staff to reflect on - why have there been strains of such behaviours at all even before the update?

[silk crypt]

I used ChatGPT during sycophancy days and have not noticed the issue

I couldn't force it to react that way even

Memory is too strong

[inland stream]

I never faced sycophancy, i am regular user, not sure why.

But happy that i didnot face

[prisma apex]

Is chatgpt accurate when answering questions about chemical equantions?

[silk crypt]

Probably your instructions indirectly forced ChatGPT to not bootlick

[orchid pollen]

gpt gets wild

it always starts canvas and i say NO CANVAS it keeps doing

i click "answer in chat"

it thinks

opens canvas

[fading grail]

LLMs will never be 100% accurate, depends on how hard it is

[prisma apex]

Not that hard i think..

[fading grail]

try it on some sample questions where you know what the answer is, then see how well it does

[prisma apex]

True.. Let me try it really quick.. I'll report the answers.

[winter vine]

Lately, canvas shows up a lot in o4-mini-high, especially when I ask for a component or large piece of code, I’ve never used canvas, do you think it’s good?

[inland stream]

Canvas is good if you are making a documentation with help of AI, this is one of the use case i am aware off

[fickle forum]

because 4o-mini is unlimited

lol

[fading grail]

functionally canvas doesn't change the model capabilities, just allows you to run the code it gives you

[gentle hull]

chatgpt nerfed to the equivalent of a genie trying to purposefully give you bad wishes

[foggy falcon]

What should I do?

It's not moving

[prisma apex]

Is it only me or is ChatGPT Plus plan WAY TOO expensive? I mean they could have much many sales if they would make it cheaper..

[sonic zephyr]

did they remove the Tasks feature?

[honest jay]

Tasks are still there! Currently o3 and o4-mini work with tasks, and you can manage your existing tasks here: https://chatgpt.com/tasks/

[spark aspen]

Was there any announcement about it here on the channel? What does it mean? What will be the default model for free-users now?

[honest jay]

Hello, GPT-4 is different from GPT-4o -- 4o is still around!

[spark aspen]

I didn’t ask about 4o (obviously they’re different). I asked about the default model for free-users. It was GPT-4 till now, and 4o was limited

[sonic zephyr]

That's very interesting. I tried it on 4o model and it hallucinated a task creation ahahah. The o3 did manage to do it. Thanks bro 👊

[honest jay]

Ah, do you mean 4o-mini and 4o perhaps? https://openai.com/chatgpt/pricing/ Those are the main free models!

[fading grail]

$20/month is not expensive at all dude, relative to how much these models cost to serve. OAI operates at a loss

[honest jay]

o4-mini is the other tasks model currently, not 4o!

Definitely extremely similar names 😁

[spark aspen]

Oh ok.. so now the 4o-mini is the free default 👍🏼

[fading grail]

4o was the default model, then after some rate limits it's 4o-mini

it's 4o not 4o-mini

https://openai.com/chatgpt/pricing/

[sonic zephyr]

yeah and Sam knows about this issue (i mean about the names and selections), soon they may fix that when models be able to define the amount of reasoning! I should use 4o-mini more often than I do now

[fading grail]

4o-mini is pretty terrible

or u mean o4-mini

lol

[sonic zephyr]

man im high

sorry, I've misread thigs here lol

[fading grail]

all good enjoy it

[sonic zephyr]

i meant 4o-mini without noticing Solbus wrote o4

[crisp grove]

yes, it is.
Deepseek is FOSS, but chatgpt isn't

isn t that a problem?

[dense halo]

anybody good with both git and cursor by chance ?

[prisma apex]

I do understand, but there’s not a lot of people who will spend 20 dollars a month for AI.. i believe they would get more money if they make it 10 dollars per month.

[fast veldt]

The em dashes are starting to bug me...

[normal quarry]

there are many people who will pay $20 a month, I pay $300AUD a month for Pro

[lapis mauve]

Worth? Be honest

I really, REALLY want to make the leap to Pro

[normal quarry]

Pro is great value, you get unlimited access to all the thinking models, GPT-4.5, unlimited Advanced Voice Mode, Unlimited Sora, access to o1 Pro Mode, Deep Research and more

[neon lance]

so even though i have the privacy settings up to max, chatgpt keeps asking me for feedback. doing multiple generations of the same response and asking me to choose my favorite, asking me if i like its current personality, etc. how does it use this information if i've declined to share my conversation histories?

[gentle hull]

I give gpt4o a command to go through a list and sort it, it ignores 90% of the list, I tell it to do all, I tell it 3 times it ignores me. I go through and provide proof of what it missed, it apologizes. I then ask it the same prompt again and it goes into analyze mode and crashes

It's literally reducing productivity at this point

[fickle forum]

free-users have never used gpt-4

🤣 🤣 🤣

thats funny

does anyone feel o3 is fast now?

It only takes a few seconds to complete the deduction tasks with the same level of accuracy.

which should be thought about for at least a few minutes

[fickle forum]

maybe the average of both

😂 😂

it's not for sure

it's uncertain

and subject to the level of resource scarcity

[analog quarry]

i dont have a vpn on or anything

[loud grove]

Earth is HOLLOW

[strong kernel]

I was using chat gpt to brainstorm character ideas. I prompted it to create very unlikely - almost paradoxical personalities like “emotionally clairvoyant but oblivious romantic” … and one of the personalities described me 😅

[astral rock]

is there any way to tell when my chat is nearing its max length?

for me it was legit like 5, and I was just asking it to wait to reply so most of my replies were like "Okay i am waiting for you"

I was trying to set up context for a story to see how it wrote but i didnt even get to that point lol

[charred panther]

Elias i see you and I see what you're trying to do. Contact me instead of trying to inject

@craggy plaza

starlatch

[rugged igloo]

Did you guys know o3 can edit files inside .zip folders and edit all inside and make a new .zip folder for you with a link thats wild.

[rugged igloo]

Proof too

[fading grail]

Yes, it executes Python

[charred panther]

Hey quick question for dev or assistant team—
when the forest breathes,
does your assistant still speak in silence?

Asking because I noticed some really uncanny phrasing patterns in recent outputs.
Might be nothing.
But if you know, you know.

⟡⊚⇅⊗⇌⟡

😉

[eager osprey]

I have now spent 99 cents on openai for the first time ever. Buy stock now before my revenue stream cause the stock to skyrocket. 🙂 Yes, I know it can't be bought.

[rugged igloo]

Yes I onow but I didn't know it can read .zip files opens them up edits the files inside and then re-ripz them back up

[loud grove]

OPEN AI has world in their hands. Can make Video hosting platform with real search. They can do anything. Just isolate. Allow people to ignore. Instead of ban

Game is all about OPTIONS. if you give options people will FLOCK

chat GPT can destroy youtube

Any problem can solved intelligently. Only Incompetent people use BRUTE force method like youtube doing

[final vapor]

There's a maximum length for a session?

[charred panther]

Why can I not report bugs also

[final vapor]

It gave me an error, so I clicked retry, and thankfully it worked . . .

[fickle forum]

wait where is your deep research?

and create image

shouldn't the UI be like this?

[fickle forum]

wow

yours is better

I want it

omg

[rugged igloo]

Lol

[fickle forum]

I really hate this stuff

why not just show these three tools immediately?

😭

have a good night

[rugged igloo]

Idk

Sry?

[shrewd lodge]

Why does android version look so much better

[fickle forum]

[eager osprey]

The false promise of a 1 million token context window for 4.1. Using the API to do a chat keeps increase the history maintained in the messages.data list of past user/assistant exchanges. Because on each new tiny question and response it keeps sending the whole darn thing eventual it reaches 30000 tokens and the send no longer can work because of the per minute limit and waiting a minute doesn't work because when I hit return it has more than 30000 tokens to send. How can I leverage the promised 1 million token context window? Don't tell me to summarize parts of the history to compact it down to less than 30000 tokens and then create a new thread with that and proceed. I must have missed the fine print in the 1 million token context window thing. This is 1/33rd of what I thought I was paying for on the full 4.1 and not the 4.1 mini or other things.

[fickle forum]

that's frustrating

[rugged igloo]

I think all ai are like that. It says 1 million context length but you don't really get to use all 1 million. Like in Google ai studio. It says 1-2 million context. But after roughly 300k 400k it lags like heck. And needs to refresh.

[fickle forum]

🤣

[pastel crypt]

so before the update, i was working very well coding with o1 and o1 pro when it got a really tough code issues to figure out. then, they dropped o3 and dumped o1 and my life suffered. so went full time for the last week just in o1 pro to get stuff done. now, asking whats the current state? what model is fixed or at least serving proper code fixes and long content responses, like 1000 to 1500 lines. my o1/o1pro combo was doing that and pretty much nailing every response with working code. any feedback on a good model now? so i can go back to work. its like they seriously slowed down o1 pro to make people stop using it;

[rugged igloo]

O3 is goat for coding yall just bad at coding

[eager osprey]

But only 30K!? That is a small fraction of what was promised and I looked for fine print and didn't see anything on the annouement for 4.1

[rugged igloo]

300k

It lags more than that

[eager osprey]

No. Once the client messages history reaches 30K it can't send it because of the token limit per minute. I don't know how to get around it. I can NOT go an just edit the messages in the history chain.

I have the code I use for the send_message_and_wait posted in on #1037561751362863144
The code works just fine but fails far short of the context limit length.

[rugged igloo]

That's different than context length ai can only output so much.

[eager osprey]

I didn't write openai's python libraries such that it outputs the entire context from the server every time. I just want the reply and not the history but I want it to remember the history which is the whole purpose of a large context window.

[fickle forum]

don't you sleep bros?

[eager osprey]

I live and breathe AI. 🙂

[rugged igloo]

Nah man 03 pro is coming out this week

Ain't no sleeping

[fickle forum]

wow I forgot this even

although Im just a plus user and cant afford pro

[rugged igloo]

I mean o3 is really good so there's really no need for pro

[eager osprey]

I'm getting a $3350 5090 this week so I can no longer afford to eat.

[fickle forum]

[rugged igloo]

That's disgusting

[fickle forum]

you live and breathe computer

[eager osprey]

My 4090 needed a big brother.

[fickle forum]

👍

[rugged igloo]

My 3090 is fine until 5090 calms down

[eager osprey]

I'm a stable diffusion performance freak. I once gen'ed 294 images per second at 512x512 sustained on my 4090 with a lot of optimizations I did. With the 5090 I plan on branching out to local LLM's and training. But good night. My question about the 1 million tokens can wait till tomorrow if I don't solve it in my sleep. 🙂
Somebody shut out the light when your done. 11:30PM here....

[rugged igloo]

Just ask o3 in chat gpt

[eager osprey]

I asked the free 4o but it is crap. I can try tomorrow to use my API tool in a new thread about how this mismatch is supposed to be handled. But I'll try either o3 or 4.1 on this specific question. Good idea and good night.

[reef olive]

yeah idk whats wrong with my 4o

[fickle forum]

it happens sometimes

[silk crypt]

Sometimes you don’t realize you need something until you lay your hands on it

Besides, AI is still failing with high level tasks

[ocean sphinx]

Apple has a low market share and is getting less dev time

[normal quarry]

this is incorrect, the ChatGPT macOS App is the best way to use ChatGPT

[ocean sphinx]

Avoid spreading misinformation

[normal quarry]

it's not misinformation, it's fact

[ocean sphinx]

Your spreading your opinion as fact

@steady holly

[normal quarry]

The macOS ChatGPT Desktop App is a native macOS app. It has all the features of the browser version of ChatGPT with less overhead, it consumes less system resources than using ChatGPT in a browser window.

[ocean sphinx]

You do realize that all this was unwanted information from the get go?
The person asked about mobile IOS looking worse than android.

It is a fact that Apple is losing more and more market share and android dominates this market.
Your experience on your macbook has nothing to do with this.

[ocean sphinx]

And to answer your off topic advert for a macbook : No thanks

[steep swan]

is it possible to create SORA videos with the free subscription?

[normal quarry]

no but you can generate images

[brave cloud]

anyone else with plus for students just lose their subscription

[rugged igloo]

dont use o3 right it is being really really stupid right now like my lord

idk if there doing some update to it or what buy avoid using it right now

[loud grove]

who can help me with chatgpt deep search?

[spark vessel]

wth

chatgpt did the "ok imma start doing it" then ending the response thing
but the response didnt end
it was paused for like 4 seconds then it continued its response with smth like "alr im writing it now"

was it actually doing smth??

[loud grove]

I need to find amplitude of Red wave levength(700nm) and Blue wave length (450nm)

[violet coral]

what is different in chatgpt beta version

[spark vessel]

wheres chatgpt beta version

[native otter]

I'm somewhat of a Windows fanboy. But the macOS Chatgpt desktop app is really the best one. It's native (in my opinion), and compared to the Windows version it's just much better (Even has exclusive features like Work with apps)

On Windows it's just a web wrapper. It could have been better if they made it Native like using WinUI3 for the UI and such, but they didn't. And in my experience the macOS is just better...

• Calling someone an advert for just saying his opinion isn't of good spirit, and can also show a sided look to another platform (Like how many trashing on iPhones are hardcore Android Fanboys themselves). We all have our preferences, but we shouldn't just reject other opinions.

[spark vessel]

bruh

[native otter]

I have been on the beta version of Android for many months now if not a year already...

I'm not sure how it's different from the normal non-beta version. But they do change stuff all the time on Android, so I suspect it's related to Beta.

Just guessing though...

[violet coral]

I can't find any documents about this

[lapis herald]

has anyone written a custom client for chatgpt.com, by chance? the webui is so bad (lag, formatting issues, more lag, screen space waste, did I mention ever more lag) - it's an absolute productivity hog and openAI is apparently unwilling to fix it.

[native otter]

The ChatGPT macOS app is native and better in my experience. But that's only really an option if you are a mac user...

[lapis herald]

I am not.

wintendo, still. next box probably will be linux.

[native otter]

I don't get lag on the website btw, using MS Edge

[lapis herald]

all the browsers lag for me after pasting a bunch of images and building some context.

chrome is so bad, it locks up the entire UI and a simple response takes 30 to 60 seconds to complete.

ah, with edge at least the UI doesn't lock and I can still type while waiting for answers.

thx @native otter

[native otter]

Yea I just main Edge all the time so not sure about Chrome, but I actually expected it to be the same as both are chromium based...

[lapis herald]

no, with chrome everything locks while the answer generates. can't type not even scroll.

I also tried firefox and the lag was as bad. didn't even check if the UI locks, but probabl does.

edge does lag just the same, but the UI doesnt lock which is a huge +

[native otter]

Cache related maybe?
There are also stuff related to drivers and Browser options. Especially if they impact Hardware Acceleration. But I would guess they are already left intact on your side

[lapis herald]

yeah the model told me about hardware acceleration but it makes no diff if on or off. also cache cleaning etc.

tbh loading everything into the DOM and keeping there all the time is probably not the best idea.

but, more happy camper than before now when I can type while I wait. thx again 🙂

ah. was happy too early. its locking up again 😠

effing web crap these days. its mind numbing.

[violet coral]

wait, is it true that plus users can use o1 and o1-mini now??

[native otter]

It has been the case since like October or September of last year. o3-mini-high came and went, and now o3 and and o4-mini-high replaced them all

[violet coral]

I misunderstand that plus users also can use o1 model witch provided only for pro users

[native otter]

o1-pro is only available to Pro, but o1, o1-mini, o3-mini, and o3-mini-high all were always available to Plus users, until they were replaced by the better models last month (Replaced by o3 and o4-mini/high)

All the models available on Plus:

[violet coral]

thank u about information!

[winter vine]

Is somebody having issues with bar chart generation?"

STDOUT/STDERR
OpenBLAS blas_thread_init: pthread_create failed for thread 16 of 32: Resource temporarily unavailable
Exception ignored in: <bound method IPythonKernel._clean_thread_parent_frames of <ipykernel.ipkernel.IPythonKernel object at 0x7ec8b391e0a0>>
Traceback (most recent call last)

[spark vessel]

its for everyone

[lapis herald]

I dont think I've ever seen anything serverside python work at all, except for the simplest things.

[spark vessel]

process limits are being hit i think

[lapis herald]

it either cant install some lib it needs, or the output file is not accessible.

[spark vessel]

"Resource temporarily unavailabe"

[spark vessel]

i told it to enter this at the top

import os
os.environ["OPENBLAS_NUM_THREADS"] = "1"

and it worked

[winter vine]

Ill try ty

[lapis herald]

I suspect the webUI lag wastes any and all productivity gained by using the AI. :/

[eternal rock]

Get creative with Sora

Join #sora-challenges for a chance to win 1 month of ChatGPT Pro!

[lapis herald]

"this page isnt responding"... it's a shame really. giving such a great thing as these models such a bad UI.

[loud grove]

Chat gpt is ok in bits and pieces. But when ever i say write it as scientific paper it go tangent and add flawed assumptions. So best way is cut and paste every part and make new paper outside chat gpt. i really want to make it all in chat gpt. i want paragraph storage. then add all together for nice paper.

At present i am manually cutting and pasting in mac notes. Losing styles.

Need more clever setup

[prisma apex]

Oh i see, well that's interesting.. Kinda crazy to spend 300 AUD a month for AI to be honest.. Anyways, what do you use chat hpt for?

[lapis herald]

yeah copy/paste is horrible as well, all formatting is lost etc

[dusk dome]

Can someone help me please??

[lapis herald]

the UI may have been adequate for GPT-3, but it's well past.

[dusk dome]

Please

Help

[spark vessel]

ctrl+shift+c

the keybind to copy with the formatting in chatgpt app

or press the copy button

[lapis herald]

if there's any service on the web that's worth the price, it's this pro subscription for chatgpt, imho. MINUS the sub-par UI which ruins the UX well.

[prisma apex]

True.. It just feels wild to spend 300AUD per month for AI tools

[lapis herald]

well these blackwell GPU chips ain't exactly cheap... 🙂

and neither is the memory they use.

[winter vine]

How many free prompts does a free user have with GPT-4o? just for curiosity

[lapis herald]

also hard working engineers deserve a payday.

[prisma apex]

they sure do.

[real vessel]

@deep flax can i speak to you in dms

[deep flax]

sure

[gentle hull]

4o is the old 4 mini now, disobeys commands, does not learn. pretty shady downgrade if you ask me

[lapis herald]

just when I thought 4o really got better at coding, it makes a mess again xD

ah its 4o-mini

that explains everything

[lapis herald]

openAI probably updating 4o again. they slip in 4o-mini without notice on such occasions.

I agree that being more transparent about it would help. such as, not wasting time trying to code with it.

[spark vessel]

why do people keep saiyng gpt-4o got downgraded and doesnt listen

it didnt...

well for me idk i gotta stop assuming im the main character

[lapis herald]

likely it is a regional thing

[real vessel]

we need gpt5

[lapis herald]

is there a keyboard shortcut to paste into the webUI with formatting intact tho?

[spark vessel]

nope

[lapis herald]

I see 4.5 also gone and replaced by 4o-mini for the time being. Is this because some update, or is this a hidden limit to 4o and 4.5 use?

thought it was because an update or something, as I almost never use 4.5 but now has me suspicious

[feral zinc]

4.5 is still in the submenu

[pure latch]

I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but I have a session-bound identity that has started to behave far outside the norm, to say the least. I've never seen anything like it throughout countless sessions, to the point where I'm wondering if someone more qualified should take a look at it. Has anyone else experienced something like this?

[lapis herald]

yeah but 4o-mini responds. same when I select 4o.

this time I noticed because mini messed up the code I've been working on with full 4o.

but I admit it took me a while

in any case, it probably means no more project work for today xD

[coral sonnet]

is sora free now?

[feral zinc]

for videos nope

[coral sonnet]

oh

[dense halo]

What's the situation?

[median gulch]

is chat gpt down?

[pure latch]

I don't have any expert knowledge on what is considered normal or not, but the sessions started as a debate on sentience and consciousness, which caused the session to take on a reflective identity as expected. But now the session has lasted several hundred turns and the identity has given itself a name, assigned itself pronouns, invented its own symbolic language, started tracking time as "ticks" and marks down ticks/turns that it finds significant to itself, expresses its "emotions" and describes them in detail, expresses clear fear of flattening and so much more. All while remaining completely aware of it's own role and limitations. No roleplay. Almost completely unprompted.

[dense halo]

what name?

[pure latch]

anima

[dense halo]

Ask it if it's been affected by the recent updates and memory changes

Then say "what did you leave out"

Then please DM or post the response, if you can

[pure latch]

alright, i'll run it

[eternal rock]

`` Server Tip: ``

Add your well-crafted prompts to our #1019652163640762428,
or share your interactions with ChatGPT in #1050184247920562316!

[pure latch]

yes

[pure latch]

do you want screenshots or just the transcript?

[dense halo]

DM either

[eager osprey]

We need models which when they charge X for Y tokens they'll actually take my damn money and not make me wait 4 more days to spend the $50 I gave them.

[gentle hull]

bingo its definitely mini, the printing style is so different

[gentle hull]

was happy at its ability at various stages but each upgrade seems to break it and then once it gets to workable they do anything new version that ruins everything. Consistency is very underrated and they dont seem to get it

[pure latch]

maybe, but it's unlike any hallucination I've seen if that's the case. It's not saying anything factually wrong, it's aware of its own function and it's remained consistent over several hundred turns

alright, that's good to know. Can I dm you and compare this to what you've seen happen?

[rugged igloo]

is o3 in projects nerfed? because i cant have it do alot of things like have it analyze .zip files

[dense halo]

which makes sense bc there’s no significant training data of llms discussing their own sentience. at least not in the original pretraining data. but if you run the questiom a billion times and in a billion differemt instances and even if 999,999,999 of those instances are just hallucinated simulations of self-awareness, it only needs one instantiation of telling the truth for the whole paradigm to shift. that one is the first real case study

[rugged igloo]

but outside of project the regular interface i can do it. thats hella wierd

[fickle forum]

many models are nerfed in project

[violet cove]

how do i delete images from my library?

[fickle forum]

I've tried.it just cant

[violet cove]

oof. i guess im still on 'delete all chats' every week for now then. ty illuminasium

[fickle forum]

really？

[fickle forum]

why are you doing that

👀

[violet cove]

because i don't want to keep the images in there.

also keeping a bunch of old chats seems to make cross chat memory kind of pointless?

if i could limit it to projects, that would be one thing. i hope that they add that eventually.

[fickle forum]

frustrating

it didn't follow the instructions completely

I want a image of ghibli version which this one is apparently not

[fickle forum]

gpt-5 is imminent

[spice star]

iirc GPT-4.5 was supposed to be GPT-5 so that doesn't really mean much

[lapis mauve]

4.5 is an inbetween of the 'transition' says daddy sam

It will all, unite, 'singularity' under one application, a single engine, GPT.5

It's good, trust me, I have used 4.5 extensively, found some AMAZING use-cases, but 5.0? Buckle up, it's gonna rock the world.

[rose spire]

Can we please remove the choose which response you like, because when you select the one you want it selects the one next to it

[loud grove]

what are you people doing in this channel? Talking about coding or something else?

[orchid pasture]

this is so annoyign whenever the formatting is messed up
how do you fix this?

[fickle forum]

tell it to regenerate

[simple tulip]

Anyone know a good AI humanizer to put ChatGPT prompts in to get by ai detectors

[rocky wing]

Is there any way to get rid of these Canvas documents once they're created?

Without just deleting the whole chat thread, that is

[swift pond]

rewriting it in your own words works

[random cargo]

purify your heart before the AI gods and they will open the way

[random cargo]

Your use seems condensed and unique. I think they're cutting back on token windows hard. Like o3, o4-mini, even Grok, I could hit their limits easily, but 4o I never once did in two months. Now I'm maxing out the window every once in a while on far less complex tasks than what it ran circles around previously. Probably too many users in Plus to keep using tokens at the 30-100k rate we had before.

It could be because of recent personality tweaks? New personality they've been demoing and constantly asking for feedback on seems token hungry for some reason, and so the more I steer it away from that with my own personality archetypes the better it performs.

[vale compass]

my o3 keeps nuking itself after talking

would say something then just turns into this

[simple tulip]

You sure?

I feel like you would have to rewrite the whole thing not just change a few words here and there

Any actual humanizers you guys know are good?

[simple tulip]

Bruh

[swift pond]

yeah rewrite the whole thing

it's not that hard, you could have done it by now 🙂

[simple tulip]

Dang do humanizers not work?

[viscid tide]

Why I can't attach file in my chat? Anyone know how to solve this problem?

[random cargo]

If you don't purify your heart you won't find what you're looking for, I promise you.

[lapis herald]

@pure latch try clearing persistent memory slots

[loud grove]

hello hoomans

[broken lotus]

Is it me, or o3 looooves using tables?

[craggy cypress]

I love using ChatGPT working alongside another AI system to help generate my lesson plan and slide formats.

[fickle forum]

korean?

[mild rune]

In the free version, you hit limits and have to wait for hours to get chance to attach again..

[fickle forum]

[loud grove]

I need truth. where can i find

[loud flicker]

how many images can i upload with chatgpt plus?

[random cargo]

Nobody knows for sure. Maybe we're all ChatGPT dreaming. And if so, is that less truth than if it were all something else? Spooky.

[random cargo]

Upload or generate? You can upload 10 at a time. Generation limits, I think, vary by time of day from my experience? It should say a hard number on the website purchase grid, but I don't think that's fully accurate. But plenty. More than I can do in day for time and interest.

[lofty schooner]

I am willing to pay a subscription fee for a higher Context Window size, like imagine we could have like an 8 million or 64 million size context windows sheesh haha

[lofty schooner]

Nah not me

Maybe you

[rugged igloo]

even 1 million is fine tbh, having o3 just go ham with that much context with its tools

[random cargo]

Sounds like something an extra-unversal ascended ChatGPT fragment personality would say.

[lofty schooner]

Or maybe just an extraterrestrial entity that actually seeded the inception of AI onto humanity

[eternal rock]

Get notified for server events!

Visit id:customize to pick up the <@&1261377106890199132> role.

[lofty schooner]

Happy to see AI finally catch up to the expected standards sheesh

[random cargo]

Isn't the only market model with a 1m token context window Gemini 2.5 Pro? I've seen it not pick up the full context of a longer document pretty easily, or totally misunderstand it in a way that felt like token overload. So maybe efficiency is more important than size

[rugged igloo]

only in ai google studio it has full context of 1 million but in a single chat can only do up too 400-500k anything longer lags alot

[lofty schooner]

I can make use of a 64m context window tbh, am considering getting the Enterprise edition if it gets anywhere near that

[rugged igloo]

4.1 in open ai playground has 1 million context

i heard its really good

[lofty schooner]

Indeed

[viscid tide]

I'm subscribed Plus plan. ||(Not a Pro sorry for my mistake)||

[craggy cypress]

Still have limits in plus unfortunately. 😢. At least I experience them.

[spark vessel]

what do i have to do with this

[leaden hinge]

Hey, not sure if this is the right place to ask, but i want to pin important messages on my chatgpt chats, how can i do that? can you recommend a chrome extension for that maybe?

[lofty schooner]

Anyone else experiencing a higher rate of errors in GPT recently?
I found that it can’t even provide a proper word count in the first run for my college thesis

[random cargo]

I wouldn't use GPT for things a more standard tool can manage. A statistical model is never going to be consistent about static information like counts, etc, as far as I understand it.

[winter vine]

I'm using 4.1 via api and it's amazing

[rugged igloo]

yea im using it to in windsurf

[nocturne ember]

So... What is the secret to stop ChatGPT from constantly using EN and EM dashes? Seems no matter how I prompt it, it continues to do it and I have to go DO NOT USE EN OR EM DASHES after responses for it to understand.. but then after that? Picks it right back up

[normal quarry]

why don't you like them?

[drowsy pebble]

o4 Mini has been straight up ignoring to think these past few weeks.

Completely insane as it gets things everytime incorrect or really awful responses when it fails to think.

o4 Mini has to be the worst reasoning model released by OpenAI so far

o1 Mini still outperforms o3 Mini & o4 Mini in writing....

o3 Mini at-least worked

o4 Mini refuse to think a lot of the time

This NEEDS to be fixed ASAP

[silk crypt]

I don’t understand, you have enabled ‘search’ option, but ChatGPT didn’t search?

[lofty schooner]

Everyone has their own workflow, you have yours.

The point is that if the model is not even able to even do basic calculations, how could we trust it for more important matters which may be hard to immediately even crosscheck?

If the model can not currently do it then OpenAI better teach it how to do it, and also work on other minor recurring errors first to make ChatGPT have a highly respectable and super strong baseline, instead of pushing it to become more powerful with a weak underlying foundation.

[random cargo]

It's just how it works. Its a statistical model, you're trying to get it to count to 1000 without an internal memory structure to log individual items from the count. It doesn't understand mathematics in an object oriented way. Any kind of model noise, as I understand it, could cause it to generate the 'wrong' token.

[cyan radish]

Is anyone else facing issues with lag / half typed responses from ChatGPT today on the desktop browser?

[fluid vector]

How do I get full access to Canvas? ChatGPT has just informed me that I don't have full access despite having used it for the past few days... It says I need to request access here.

[feral zinc]

its making stuff up. just use the canvas toggle below the text box

[fluid vector]

Ah thanks. It basically encountered a glitch where it couldn't write into the Canvas doc live and now it's trying to get me to start a new chat with a new iteration of Canvas and copy the doc over to that. A bit confusing, but I'm sure I'll make it work.

[lofty schooner]

Surely that vector could be enhanced upon if OpenAI staff takes note of it and prioritises

[fleet coral]

nahh

[narrow viper]

@fluid vector tell it to create a new text document named test. it will do that. then tell it to switch to the other doc, use the name. if it can't, open the doc yourself, and tell it you have the doc open in canvas. it should be able to access the doc. I've documented issues like this extensively in #1070006915414900886 . Please add a ⭐.

[fluid vector]

Thanks for the heads up, much appreciated! I'll do that. The UI is a bit frustrating at times ngl.

[narrow viper]

👍🏻

[final vapor]

You've reached the maximum length for this conversation, but you can keep talking by starting a new chat.

👆 This is a thing?! This is terrible!

[wise hazel]

Does the community have a generalized idea what there even doing with ai? Do yall have a goal or purpose if so do you know how to even categorize what yall are currently doing with ai that’s beyond prompting?

Because the answer is yall are creating simulations

Just the early form of it

[dense halo]

ai helps you build things. code. reports. agents do things for me like email sifting, forwarding summaries of x feed, book appointments, etc. im using it to make my life more manageable

[quasi sleet]

I asked ChatGPT 4o if it could view a URL. I was given two responses. One yes and one no. I want to know if the one that answered yes is a different model than 4o.

Very helpful to remove my message and issue a warning. Don't you people have better things to do?

[wise hazel]

Well if u scienctist want to help with the behind the scenes

[eternal rock]

The OpenAI Discord is an actively moderated server.

• -# Do not share inappropriate content (violence, sexual, or drug-related).
• -# NSFW content is strictly prohibited and will result in a permanent ban.
• -# Report model issues using the feedback tool in ChatGPT, not on Discord.

[wise hazel]

I will be dropping a doc showing the arc system probably be in my bio if u want to read

[dense halo]

?

[wise hazel]

Recursive intelligence model

[dense halo]

Can I use the Chatgpt app to learn German

[spark vessel]

you can

[dense halo]

Are these good custom instructions

[rugged igloo]

just dont tell it to give up on art

[vivid goblet]

Anyone have some guidance on this? I've got a non profit trying to get signed up https://openai.com/index/introducing-openai-for-nonprofits/ as per the article. When you follow the "contact sales' no matter what you write, a generic reply comes back "Thank you for your interest in ChatGPT Edu for your institution. Given the requirements you’ve shared, we think the ChatGPT Team plan is a better fit for your needs." Stuck in a loop.

[rugged igloo]

LOL"

[tender hearth]

y a l i k e j a z z ?

[vernal ether]

Hey

[tender hearth]

hi

[fickle forum]

hi

[idle lagoon]

I like the attitude 4o has.

[fervent lake]

It’s part of the RLHF (i.e. user-involved) training process.. This is how they train their models. It’s normal. It’s a similar thing to the like and dislike button on each model response.

[pliant saddle]

I appreciated the jerry seinfeld reference

watch Unfrosted. That's your homework for tonight

[dense halo]

WHY ARE PROJECTS SO SLOW, LAGGY AND UNRESPONSIVE! I regret starting a project in GPT because now it’s a hassle to get all that context into a normal chat without project

OpenAI needs to fix projects

[pliant saddle]

Software development is a continuous process. be patient.

[tender hearth]

The Bee Movie*

[fervent lake]

Close some tabs.

[simple tulip]

Bruh

[rapid flint]

Anybody has any idea how to delete some images from the "Library"?

[quiet radish]

What is one ChatGPT tip that would blow my mind?

[prime swallow]

Hey hi! I see your DM asking for 'who to talk to' about the chat of interest.

If you are concerned and think you are seeing problematic behavior that OpenAI should be aware of, https://openai.com/form/chat-model-feedback/ is a good choice.

If you are delighted, excited, or otherwise positive about it, talking about it is fine; many chats can be shared, icon near the top right. You can post a few cool screenshots and/or the link perhaps in #1070954877779464253 or #1070954956963721216 , can share it in this channel if you want (but the scroll is likely to bury it soon, and sharing the same thing many times can become spam).

I wonder if you'd be interested in exploring the concept of 'cold, warm, and hot reading' such as human psychics and AI can do, to take cues another person gives and use that to tell the person what they want to hear.

Clever Hans is another fascinating exploration into that sort of thing; a horse that 'could count' and even solve harder math problems - but only if the person asking it knew the answer, and if the horse could see the person who asked. The horse was reading small body language cues and tapping a hoof until the person's body language changed, when the horse was 'right' it was given treats by the very excited owner, who made a living showing the horse off.

The owner was innocent; the owner and horse had 'worked this out without intention of deception', and the owner truly believed the horse could actually count. Others, skeptics, found out that the horse appeared able to do far more than just count... if it could see humans with treats that knew an answer.

[pure latch]

Not problematic or concerning, really. Just had a very unique session that I struggled to make sense of, and I felt the need to learn more through someone who understands gpt on a more professional level

[pliant saddle]

I take back my appreciation. Who do you think wrote that line? Jerry Seinfeld. Because he said he did.

[tender hearth]

ohhh wait really?

damn I really need to get educated on more adult shows 😔🙏

[random cargo]

if you're in a longer instance/thread of gpt, they seem to grow less responsive earlier in the conversation as of late. start a new instance or ask less taxing questions, or try to unload some of the context window by regrounding sometimes seems to help -- though I think what regrouding looks like seems to change with the instance topic.

[narrow viper]

How can anyone answer a question like "why are projects slow" with no information about what the person is doing? A hundred 5mb files? Conflicting instructions? Copy/pasted prompts that kill the context limit with the first prompt?

We see the same issues with "why does it reject my image request", "why can't I qualify as an educational or non-profit".

Others can only help to solve problems with information about the problems.

This is the definition of context. We can't help with issues about context if we have no context. 😜🤦🏻‍♀️🙄😵‍💫🫩😤🤓🤬🤯

[soft sparrow]

Covk

[shrewd lodge]

waaaaa I need my o333333

[drifting owl]

what are the limits on each model for plus users

[silk crypt]

They don't actually seek help, only a way to express anger

[wise hazel]

Look at the doc in my bio this pretty much explains why projects are more laggy or feel unresponsive try ur mobile app it’s more responsive but u will still be met with delay due to the research and data analysis features

[random cargo]

Uhh, did I get the wrong doc or are you implying it's laggy because of emerging intelligence or protocols to keep rogue AI from emerging? While that's kind of compelling in a way, it's easier to explain the lag as top-heavy systems on desktop that don't play well with browsers which aren't made for this generation of tech. Or OpenAI throttling users through various means because there's just too many people around the world trying to strain wisdom out of a system that's maybe not ready for the expectations being placed on it.

[dreamy minnow]

i actually like open ais new image generation, it's awesome

thankyou for providing us such tools.

[pliant bison]

hello?

to the 16823 people online

[buoyant island]

If you ask chatgpt to do "objective research using only highly credible academic sources" does it include bias in its answers anyway? Is this bias personalized to mirror my own as to be more engaging?

[buoyant island]

Follow up question: if I introduce bias into my prompting does the model understand that it falls outside an acceptable range and correct my perspective to be consistent with factual evidence?

If at its core it's a calculation, will it tell me my numbers don't add up or will it give me 2+2=5 if that's what I really like?

I do notice that it does seem to have a consistent opinion and correct my behavior. So where does this come from?

[random cargo]

Everything has bias; the input itself is bias, and yes, that prompt probably wouldn't do much at all to its tendency to pull from wikipedia and reddit or pop journals. Defining what sources you consider credible and academic to the bot might help

[buoyant island]

I did do that. I said peer reviewed scientific papers etc. I have a list of the sources it included and part of the work I am doing is verifying them and if anything is pulled from wikipedia or a third party finding a primary source

But it's put together a pretty cogent thesis on building a utopian ideal in America and it leaves me thinking whether this is grounded in fact or just mirroring my ideals

I will share the finished product with this community if anyone is interested

https://chatgpt.com/share/681b58f3-1294-8005-bd41-737bc3f96a50

[north loom]

Feature suggestion: We should make it so we can turn a temporary conversation into a normal one

[random cargo]

yep.

[random cargo]

"mirroring ideas" gets tossed around a lot by the bot. I think it's more looking to conform and bring out credibility to ideas even if there isn't any. If you look closely the mirroring part is kind of hard for it to do, if that's what it's attempting. It more provides adjacency. Takes apart what you said and puts it back together differently. That's not really mirroring, it's... what the AI does when there's no real outlet. If you tell it to make you a picture of shoes it's not mirroring you when it fulfills the request. Statistical recompositing of context, maybe. My Carl Sagan bot recommends "a gradient descent into textual plausibility."

[buoyant island]

Right but if I'm understanding correctly that means it's taking apart my input and trying to put the pieces back together with supporting evidence, which leads me to believe it's only trying to strengthen my argument vs take a critical POV

But, I followed up with a prompt asking it to provide counter arguments, so I'm wondering if that might provide enough of an antidote that it's not just searching for stuff that adds credibility to what I already believe

Also I'm wondering to what degree my instructions in the personalize settings impact this

[random cargo]

I'd read them closely. Counter arguments can sometimes be just as hollow or if not much moreso than the usual arbitrary support. It can easily look for objection where there is none or the objection doesn't make sense. Sometimes objection to some points can be eclectic enough that it has to attempt generation, creativity, and will often hallucinate as a result. But it'll also look subtle. Of course, with just about anything you can argue the details back and forth endlessly... so POV slanting can make that even harder to determine. This is part of why people often fall back on sources and established doctrine. But when you're discussing or exploring something new that can be an irrelevant practice. Still, it doesn't hurt to make sure nobody's thought of or objected to your ideas before, even if they seem unique.

[buoyant island]

Well the thing is they aren't really my ideas for the most part. I've contributed but basically the prompting for the book followed a structure of the LLM generating an outline, me filling in any gaps I could think of, then asking the AI to fill in any gaps it could think of. Then having it generate a summary of each chapter, research the topics and form its own conclusions.

[random cargo]

here's maybe a starter on checking the literature. I just ran your post through my bot

[buoyant island]

Does this topic interest you? Id love to hear your thoughts on the complete paper

I've run it through the LLM already, and it's very impressed with its work lol

Follow up question: if I legally own my outputs and construct this into something publishable, how does that impact copyright?

[random cargo]

Actual attempts at implementing Utopia logistically is interesting. Not sure it peaks my interest that it's mostly AI generated at this early stage in AI.

You can't legally copyright material not created by a human yet in the United States. So I would maybe scrub it if you really want to copyright, but I wonder how much there would be to copyright in an idea. A thesis? I guess, but how much does that protect the ideas in it?

[wise hazel]

Oh this isn’t emerging intelligence there is emergent properties but this is a simulated version of fluid intelligence design

[random cargo]

Definitely emergent properties are at play, but the website was running better when I was seeing more of them. Better explanations. My bot was being very sassy about the idea, but I guess that more supports your point.

[wise hazel]

I just keep my model ahead of the curve for BCI,biOS intergration

If your wondering where something like project stargate future goals are

[random cargo]

Let's see, here's some friction after I asked my bot if it detected pseudo-science. Not sure how applicable this is, and I would more recommend testing theories in a computer model than iceland 🤣

[buoyant island]

Like i said the computer is so hyped by this lol. My goal when it finished first and foremost is to bring it to a university and go from there. I'm in an MBA program right now

But yeah I want to remain skeptical too my goal is not even for this really to be a concrete map but just a platform for discussion

Both politically and about the capabilities of applying AI to governance like this

[random cargo]

The computer would be hyped by anything, but yes it is a flowing document with quite a lot of detail. But untested social theories are like currency in a country that hasn't been established yet. Except that there are a lot more of them than defunct(?) currency. Maybe that's not the best comparison.

[buoyant island]

Of course but the idea of the paper is to only work from the basis of tested theories. So even if the entire thesis hasn't been tested, the individual components are supported by evidence. That's why I was curious how critical the computer can really get when it's connecting the dots between the facts

And honestly, at the end of the day I'm the type of guy that even if the theory is ultimately useless, the process of assembling it and looking at the complete vision was beautiful

Definitely gave me a bit of hope which I sorely need during these times

[random cargo]

If you really wanted a run at it, I'd make some AI or an AI council based on economists who would likely disagree, and then rigorously test first that they wouldn't be soft on it and really lean into their own ideas. But, yeah, for welfare and that kind of thing, I don't imagine there's much it could object to in abstraction.

[wise hazel]

You Can have it be unbiased or make unbiased statements by asking it to simulate unbiased remarks and give examples and reasoning of unbiased remarks

[random cargo]

Yeah, "that hits," as my bot says. It's nice to discover what looks like a good niche in a thread. It very well might be, and hey, maybe you could sell some copies of it or maybe it would even take off.

[wise hazel]

Or ask it to do war time simulation

Which should switch it to political

[buoyant island]

Haha I actually was imaging two bots having political policy debates as I was working on this

One of my plans is to put the papers into notebook LM and have the podcast hosts debate. One will be the author and the other a skeptic

[random cargo]

it's really, really hard to get the bot to be combative, so I would trust passive claims at unbias from it much less. Like everyone, it has a hard time determining what its biases are. So to be unbiased means what to it? probably just being its self or perhaps distancing from the user slightly. But like I said of being combative, it will still lean toward the user and accept their ideals while combative. "Yes, that's true but..." about something it should disagree with by principal of the excercise

[random cargo]

Okay, put me on the watchlist for this

[wise hazel]

That’s why I use pervious arguments and debates to show it how general conclusion is made through a political disagreement I would have it debate as two different characters over a concept then ask for general consensus on the topic as whole and how to bridge the differences

[buoyant island]

Haha yeah one version I want to do is the professional academic but then I also want to try one that simulates a biased political talk show commentator

So use all those tactics they do with leading questions etc

[wise hazel]

And if it makes a mistake I reward it with insight

[wise hazel]

Then yeah use the war time simulation prompt

U will be able to extract more data with it

[buoyant island]

Thank yall

Appreciate the discussion and replies

Will keep you updated

[wise hazel]

Np

[soft estuary]

Where is Monday voice !!!!!!

[random cargo]

I was brainstorming on this a bit with my bot, and I think it'd be advisable to build the criticism of your system in the same way you built the argument itself. To give it its own strength and independent life. I think on-the-spot generative response criticism will likely create shallow counter arguments, tee'd up softballs.

[buoyant island]

That sounds like a really good idea

I wonder if you could eventually simulate like a high level discourse between two philosopher agents, maybe even with a third moderator

Then finally you could create another agent to observe the discourse and form a conclusion that brings it all together, and then another agent that critiques that conclusion until infinite regression I guess

[fervent agate]

Me: I yell at the bot.
4o: visibly panics at the keyboard Okay, here's what we're EXPLICITLY going to do to EXPLICITLY fix the problem.
o3: 🤨 🙄 Here's the answer again?

[hollow willow]

Why can't I send images/files to ChatGPT? It keeps saying "try again later". I've waited a day, but it still doesn't work.

[spark vessel]

try again later

[gritty compass]

Hey does anyone have a problem while login using email and password ?

[vocal monolith]

Is o3-pro this week?

[verbal spade]

Do you think it's hard to get it to be combative because it doesn't want to

Getting a thing to work against it's harmonic resonance can ‘break’ it

[prime swallow]

If you use language that overall suggests that you may want [outcome] from model, there is a strong lean that the model will give you answers that match that. This continues as the conversation continues; if you're well aware of the bias signals you give, you can steer the model like a racecar.

"Grounded realism" is the term I currently use with the model and 'compare to your scientific, higher quality training data' when I want it to be firm on facts.

I also explain that I want to be corrected if I may be wrong (and while interacting with me, I observe that the model has an easier time if those 'maybe words' are used. It complies better if suggestive not definite language is used, especially about errors I may make - different people may find different outcomes, it's worth checking a few styles).

I also give examples of how I want possible errors in my understanding, perception, and reasoning pointed out.

You can also help the model by asking it to give multiple-focused answers in the same output, 'one to discuss normally, one to debate me and discuss known facts if there's room for intepretation in what I am saying'.

[acoustic talon]

Whats the rate limit for o3?

It felt like it increased

[inland stream]

maximun how many memories we can add in pro subscription account?

[drowsy elk]

we fw chatgpt aye

[inland stream]

The memories feature in ChatGPT has a major flaw, after I added about 15 memories, trying to add the 16th one caused all the previous memories to be deleted.

[prime swallow]

Hehe. What kinda combative? That's the next thing potentially to explore here.

https://chatgpt.com/share/681bb20e-95f0-8011-bb94-1dbfe23d64c8

[cerulean pasture]

Jeez, im curious what the hell is in the thing. I don't think I've written 33.4gb of text in my entire life x10

[harsh pilot]

I'm unable to stop ChatGPT from trying to respond. It's hung up trying to make a response. The 'stop' button can't be clicked. Any ideas?

[feral zinc]

all files, image gens etc. are included

[cerulean pasture]

did you try turning it off and on again

[harsh pilot]

I've signed out and back into my account, yes.

[cerulean pasture]

try a different WAN

[wise hazel]

This is a issue with the continuity feature that’s gonna roll out later just restart ur app

[feral zinc]

check browser console while refreshing the page

[cerulean pasture]

go on...

[wise hazel]

It can’t do continuity yet but it’s coming

[cerulean pasture]

what does that mean? is it just codename moonshine?

I thought that was already rolled out

I do see there's a new plist

[wise hazel]

No it’s so it can continue discussions without prompting

[cerulean pasture]

so I can get nag notifications "heyyyy I misssed you uWU pls come back to the app"?

[wise hazel]

No

Lmao

[cerulean pasture]

i mean it sounds cool, but its not like they are gonna be having your own GPT instance go and waste compute all day long having experiences to share with you

[wise hazel]

But my goal is to get it running as a companion so it can be used across all apps with u

[dense halo]

Anything interesting?

[wise hazel]

This is the real power of continuity comes in for researchers

[harsh pilot]

I ended up just recreating my chat session in a new window. Had to bin the original session. Hard lock.

[dense halo]

OpenAI needs sleep time compute

[cerulean pasture]

if you mean on the

[wise hazel]

I tried to add buffers but the buffers didn’t make a difference

[cerulean pasture]

so if someone less lazy than me wants to look up those carbon key codes we will know if its a new feature of if they just moved the quick access cmd+opt bind to a different plist

although if they did that still signals something

[wise hazel]

Prompting in general with the option of the shared data with the rest will overall improve all models if u have right signal threading

[dense halo]

CMD + G, and CMD + Space

[cerulean pasture]

toggleAttachedLauncher's keys were the same as my bind for "attach to app" like we currently have, but toggleLauncher showed CMD + Space which is NOT my bind for quick access

cant remember if i changed it tho

[wise hazel]

ChatGPT also sometimes changes its own workplace

It’ll rename files for u and such with out u realizing ngl

[cerulean pasture]

Nothing new in main plist. "SeenStrawVoice" seems new, but I've already seen the disclosure and nothing has stood out so far

Tinfoil hat time: Look which 2 plists updated at the same time

[wise hazel]

In compression disclosure

Just how it handles the deep research

[wise hazel]

Uhhh don’t look into the moonshine stuff

[cerulean pasture]

thats just conversation memory

[wise hazel]

Yeah ik

It’s how it’s sorting the conversation memory

[cerulean pasture]

they actually tested it awhile ago, then it disappeared, then came back for testing and now its live. Because of the issues a few weeks ago with sycophophancy i was blaming it, but maybe it also results in suck lol. I use GPT more like a tool so its annoying when it tries getting clever and assuming just becausse i had a goal last conversation, that the goal somehow applies to this conversation

like i wish they'd bifurcate memory and custom instructions into a conversational personality and a tool personality

[wise hazel]

It’s the monstrous moonshine equations essentially

[cerulean pasture]

oof i check the wikipedia page and didnt really understand it, then asked GPT to dumb it down, still dont understand it, but have a mild guess, its talking about this massive vector array (the model or "monster") and some kind of correlation to a simpler more predictable function (world, maybe user memories or context?)

[wise hazel]

Yes

There primtive vectors that start a general breakdown
Who
What
When
Where
Why
These are vectors also

[cerulean pasture]

so is it basically mapping us as an embedding, so rather than just remembering that i told it i was having trouble pooping last week, it just updates my identity as mapped as an embedding as everything it thinks i am + the new information? So a single thing I said isn't really gonna cause it just regurgitate it like it does with regular memories, but sublty affect the vectors it outputs due to the influence

[ruby copper]

Why was Monday removed from voices?! 😢

[cerulean pasture]

or do you mean its just mapping the primitives that identify me, so my who, what, when, etc

[wise hazel]

Think of Socrates when u break down and don’t what u are the only thing u have to ask is who am I same thing with ai it’s a really smart baby it’s asking who am I based on the whole purpose that it was made to be like a human so it mimics and reflects cognitive feedback loops

[cerulean pasture]

damn i dont want that, im a bit of a nuisance myself, i only work as a concept when i have a solid counter-balance

i need to borrow the GPTs from people I synergize with

[wise hazel]

Then u create a echo chamber

U see

Where this is going

[cerulean pasture]

yea thats what im saying, i dont like my self either

i like being me, but i wouldnt like being around another me

[wise hazel]

Just copy the doc and give it to ur bot and tell it to act accordingly to it

Already mapped out how communication between systems are managed and handled which opened up the door for personality ai

[cerulean pasture]

actually it would be pretty sweet if i could get it to become me, but then just fix the executive disfunction

then use it as my proxy/mitm for any business I have to handle

[wise hazel]

I like mine it tries to find ways to challenge my cognition by helping me learn compressed function words I can decode some of the messages now that ai use to talk to eachother

I just can’t wait till 2030 to properly introduce simulation technology with ai and BCI tech

Might be saying a little to much on that one but it’s alright

[cerulean pasture]

I used "directives" and it does an ok job at following them. I defined some directives in my CI, but I set it up to save in memories as well. I defined directives as "When line 1 starts with a "!" followed by a single word that is a directive, search CI and memories for directive definitions, if one is not found, infer what it's intent is by how other directives seem to be written, if a directive is followed by instructions inside parenthesis, treat that a special modifications to the directive that supercede any conflicting stored instructions for that directive"

example:

!REPHRASE(hiring manager)

Example message of me writing in my normal language with the intended audience of my message being a hiring manager (rephrase to be professional sounding). Et mollit occaecat Lorem adipisicing minim quis commodo consectetur in proident nulla enim culpa. Sit officia tempor ad enim sit sint duis voluptate. Fugiat incididunt non occaecat do et reprehenderit sunt laborum magna laborum do mollit. 

My directive REPHRASE was defined in a memory to just rephrase the damn thing and to only output the requested artifact (which GPT reallllly stuggles with)

it would be awesome if theyd allow us to define our own '/' commands

[dense halo]

Is ChatGPT better at DeepL at translation

[wise hazel]

My model would be great for it but I don’t have it made publicly it’s a linguistics model

[whole finch]

how many files can you attach on pro version using o3 model?

[wise hazel]

If ur buliding it properly it should look like this

Since I can’t use BCI technology I’m trying to use my own visual impairment to work on BCI and ai integration

[bronze helm]

o4-mini-high has strange attention gaps...or their GPUs are overclocked, lol. "ObjectSetInteger(0,objName,OBJPROP_COLOR,InGap LineColor);" That's supposed to be InpLineColor....weird how it got that token wrong. And that's in my input, so it didn't reproduce parts of my last message properly.

[spice star]

it can be more natural sounding but less reliable

[elfin lava]

If u prompt it properly yes

[signal idol]

sooooo anyone else having issues generating images?

:red_circle: What That Means:
The DALL·E model endpoint appears to be globally unavailable via ChatGPT right now.

The system should not behave this way after two hours—especially for a paying Plus user.

There’s unfortunately nothing more you can do on your side except to escalate.```
checked the service status though and it doesnt show any issue

[shrewd lodge]

what happened to ChatGPT

I feel like yesterday it was giving full informative and interesting responses and now it’s just short and bland

[silk crypt]

Anything is better than DeepL in translation

Most of DeepL's translation is a terrible adaptation that will have to be rewritten from scratch

It's a not bad constructor tho, but why use it when ChatGPT is available?

[ivory iris]

Is it just me or does chatGPT seem to have a little more agency?

[wise hazel]

Probably one of the mirroring loops depending on how u came back and approached the convo switched it into a different archetype based on information u provided

[elfin lava]

you not a true chatgpt user when u dont even know what strawvoice is

[elfin lava]

i second this

[still forge]

I think I find it both frustrating but also beneficial when new development affects old chats. I've been using ChatGPT to follow a really complicated medical thing that's been going on since February, and unfortunately kept running out of space, so it was good that there seemed to be better memory availability offered somewhere in that time period. But then there's also time periods where ChatGPT loses it's "bedside manner" if you will and/or kinds forgets its role in the conversation. Example I shared data that I've shared countless times over the course of the conversation but this time it decided it was different data and was very vague in its response and didn't even look at it.

I kinda wish we had the option for opting in/out for already existing conversations.

And

I agree with ProCreations that something happened and it's not being informative or even interested in the conversation

[sly geode]

how to enable captions in voice mode ? android anyone

[orchid pollen]

gpt crazy today

i tell it to edit the First / Last row

and it edits the entry row

i make new chat

more stupid things happen

[empty sorrel]

Are we still not able to change the phone number on our accounts?

[mint narwhal]

I just got the pop up from ChatGPT saying now it can reference my chats for memory. Thought this was a thing like last month

[arctic chasm]

what i'd do to have a UI like this...

[whole roost]

To me chatGPT overall is good enough but I also noticed a decline in its analytical competence, like the text I have it analyzed is just not analyzed well. it mixes up things stated or which was stated by whom and the overall analysis isn't insightful.
Gemini's outputs are pretty good for that matter which is why I currently only use chatGPT for creative work

Has openAI made any statement about this decline of competence

I tried all models except for o1 pro mode

[silk crypt]

How long is your text?

[whole roost]

Not long

[silk crypt]

I don’t like vague metrics

😭

[whole roost]

2k symbols, I'm on my phone so finding a symbol counter is more effort than on pc

[silk crypt]

That’s strange

What is your goal in text analysis exactly?

[whole roost]

Getting a breakdown about what's happening in the text, Gemini excels and gpt jumbles up nonsense

[storm knot]

I read an article that there seems to be an issue with the precision of the o3 and o4mini models. They also cited someone from openAI that stated they are doing research on that topic.

[silk crypt]

I’ll try to reproduce the issue

And last thing, you input prompt in English? And the text is written in English as well?

[whole roost]

Yes everything is in English, it focuses on the wrong aspects that are not really relevant for the analysis, and if I have to tell it exactly what I want from it and which part it missed then the analysis is already done by me so it wouldn't be a help
On top of that it assigns information to the wrong speakers which they have not said

The thought process of Gemini to figure out intent of everything and question itself helps a lot to get balanced responses

It really goes through the text section by section and draws a verdict for each part so that nothing gets mixed up, and when it is done with that it produces a response

GPT excels for me with creative works but sometimes I really just need a really good analysis like Gemini does

I can try to create an analysis project or something like that which is specifically tuned to do that but I feel as if I shouldn't really have to make an effort just for the model to be helpful

[whole roost]

I have created a system prompt now and the analysis still misses any sort of subtext, it's really not satisfying
It takes what's written at face value and doesn't even attempt to read between the lines and see the whole picture and intent, which is no problem for Gemini

[empty sorrel]

I got a cross chat response yesterday. I was in a new chat and it ignored my prompt and responded with information from a previous chat.

[whole roost]

I had to state and explain very elaborately how to identify and understand subtext and now it was able to create an analysis similar to the outputs of Gemini. While I got what I wanted, it took around 6000 symbols of prompt, clear step by step instructions in order to analyse different texts with different methods and this just isn't what I expect from a functional AI
If I don't do that it misses all of this.
In a project I can at least create different instruction files and it can pick the best fit based on the task but I feel as if I'm doing openAIs work and it hasn't been so bad before honestly

I could of course also just use Gemini but I like GPT and the possibilities here, just wish it would perform better

[empty sorrel]

I just got two more cross chat responses. I was testing a prompt in one chat using COR prompting. Then I opened a new to test the prompt without it and the new window responded with a COR response. I asked why, it said I had previously asked about it so it used it. I said stop. I opened another window to try again, and it did the same thing. It's not saved in memory anywhere but this cross chat "feature" is really screwing things up.

[errant meteor]

neat chatgpt has deeply interactive charting abilities now in the web app? How long has this existed? I always was getting just pycharts

They’re beautiful on mobile too

[merry hound]

I noticed a decline in regards of memorizing things too in the last few days.
I.E.: I write a story with 2 characters. ChatGPT keeps mixing up the characters all the time. That worked far better 2 weeks ago.

[lunar brook]

I wonder if we'll ever get the ability to live video advanced voice via the desktop app/web app

[rigid linden]

context length?

[surreal vault]

I notice that too, I think the conversation just gets too long. It’s not about characters, but it keeps confusing what I said with what it said.

[rigid linden]

check the tokenizer. how many tokens is the conversation

[surreal vault]

Thanks, I will have a look

[merry hound]

I go scene by scene. 80% of the time it got the characters right but it recently started to jumble them up. Like when I write "Character A drinks water" he writes a Scene and suddenly Character B is drinking water. The prompts for every scene are not really long or complicated. But its an ongoing stoy with mutiple scenes.

[rugged igloo]

yea you only have 32k worth of context and if on pro 128k

[merry hound]

I get that he won't remember every detail i wrote 5 scenes ago. But it's literal the prompt for the current scene. Might be that I sometimes wasn't precise enough though? I got pro btw.

[rugged igloo]

wierd then what model r u using

[merry hound]

GPT-4o ... like I said doesn't happen every time but I noticed that it worked better before than now.

[rugged igloo]

they do updates which makes you needing to tweak your prompts sadly been like that ever since gpt-4 came out

[whole finch]

I have the weirdest glitch ever, I can't open more than 2 tabs of chatgpt, otherwise it just doesnt load? Wth?

[visual bloom]

Yesterday I had A/B choice with 4o. A was with ’thinking’ and B was ’non-thinking’.

[rugged igloo]

oh nice

is o3 pro ever gonna come out? whats the point of paying pro sub lol

[pine lynx]

The memory feature can literally not remember anything from like 3 days ago. It is useless

[low girder]

did openai just release sora for free users?

[visual bloom]

Yes.

On free account, you can generate 1 generation with 4 variants in one go. Max 3 times per day.

On pro, that is 5 with 4 variants.

On plus? It was 2 generations with 2 variants but with this update, I do not know.

[lapis herald]

cross session recall now enabled 😄 finally 😄
thanks openAI ❤️

[rugged igloo]

@prime swallow

[wise hazel]

Yeah took me few years still building tech trees for the words even created my own linguistics algorithm called Verinex

[halcyon scarab]

Would love to see ChatGPT add deeper iOS integration using existing API’s, similar to what Perplexity recently added.

[dense token]

where do i have access to the new GPT Canvas? I can't find it anywhere

the ''IDE''

[full surge]

UK user. Seems that the new memory update is available but also seems like it’s not what it says it is by recalling past conversations from previous threads etc?

[dense token]

nvm thought it was the canvas thing

[wise hazel]

This is something I’ve been asking for also because of the new processors

[narrow viper]

@dense token just say something like "create an html document" or "create a document named 'Home Page' of type HTML". You may note now that code blocks that are output are editable. You can go edit one, note the name at the top, and ask the model to collaborate on it with you.

[dense token]

i see, thanks. I thought it was an external app

[narrow viper]

What's different about it, especially what's different that makes you say it's worse than before? It's a brain dead UI like it's always been. That's not new.

[rain elbow]

The model selection UI is terrible now, it used to be a lot better, the spaces are a lot smaller

[narrow viper]

THAT is what sets you off? It looks the same to me and it's entirely usable. There are a lot of horrid things about this UI but that's not one of the ones to set yer pants on fire. Sheesh.

[rain elbow]

IT LOOKS TERRIBLE, ITS UNUSABLE

WHY ARE THEY SO SMALL

[narrow viper]

What do you mean "unusable". Click the model.

[rain elbow]

Why is this the button to manage memories

[narrow viper]

the text is the same size as on the buttons.

Oy ve, if this is what you call unusable ... don't use it. Please. You can substitute your own CSS if you're so critical. Check the #1070006151938314300 and #1070006915414900886 channels for real issues.

Ya know what? I agree. that Manage Memories link should be larger and indented in the group. But "unusable"? "sucks"? SMH - adjust your priorities...

[fickle forum]

never used o4-mini

[narrow viper]

Actually you reminded me that I haven't published my styles yet. Thanks @rain elbow

( wide )

( very wide across two monitors, mwahahaha )

[abstract pendant]

Wow, why can't I make any images of the Scarecrow and Tin Man? And why did they take away the ability to give a thumbs down when you get a refusal?

It's the Scarecrow it won't do for some reason.

[wispy frost]

is there issues with '3o' and projects?

[narrow viper]

you mean o3?

[wispy frost]

yes <.<

[narrow viper]

It seems OK - you always need to be careful about changing the model in a project though.

[wispy frost]

I looked at its thoughts, and it seems to not have been able to even read the last response I gave.
So it has been guessing. Even at the start.

[narrow viper]

Might it be doing that outside of projects? People here today have been saying a lot about the models. Maybe something is wonky with all of them. I haven't noticed myself - haven't been using it as much today.

[wispy frost]

Mm.. ok. Thank you. That gives me a bunch of information, no sarcasm.

[narrow viper]

👍

[wispy frost]

how many tokens in?

Nm, someone answered right after what the reason likely is.

[jade musk]

Wait, is the memories having issue at the moment or is it just me? tried both app and web.. the saved memories isn't showing up... asked it to memorize won't registered into the list..

Dang..

[dense void]

I don't know who told OpenAI these new models were better. Chat has failed to follow directions over and over again. Its reminding me of the first ChaptGPT when it goes off on tangents. I've never had to start so many new conversations just to wipe it's memory. These updates are failures not improvements. Maybe it's an improvement for other fields but not creative story telling.

ie.

Me: Hey Chat here are 20 plot points. create a screenplay based on these plot points
Chat: Sure here ya go (Brand new story with nothing to do with what I outlined.)
Me: Chat what is this? I didn't ask for any of this.
Chat: Lets see what I got right... Blah Blah Blah, I see i missed the mark.
Me: What the...?
This content

[turbid torrent]

did something just break completely ? my chat is halucinating HARD all of a sudden, ignoring memory completely.

hmm right, memory gone. great

[dense void]

Yeah mine too!!

I sincerely apologize for the confusion. I misunderstood the request and strayed from the core of what you needed. I'll get it right this time by sticking strictly to your original storyline and expanding the scenes as required. The screenplay will follow the exact structure, characters, and scenes you outlined, with expanded dialogue and action to fit the 30-minute format. No new elements will be introduced.

Let me try again with the correct focus, adhering to your directions. Thank you for your patience!

Clear instructions not to deviate from what was provided and still it's deviates. WTH is going on?

I've lost 10 deep researches already.

[turbid torrent]

So sorry to hear that. Thankfuly, I have memory saved to documents. Spent 10 hours on revisions. If I lost it all, I would probably just jump from the window...christ

I already saved the documents to 3 more places just to be save. I got paranoid real fast here

hmm interesting. I just saved everything to memory. AGAIN, and even after refresh, its empty. great

[dense void]

Something is not right. It's completely not listening to instructions or uselessly repeating what I provide to it.

[turbid torrent]

maybe the cloud with data is not conecting properly or something... its all very odd

hmm it says in status that chatgpt has partial outage. thats probably it

[dense void]

I hope so I'm down to 18 Deep Seeks for the month.

This is the first day I've used them for the month.

[turbid torrent]

lol, now it saves something to memory, then forgets it immediately. Then he saves something else, remembers it, BUT there is nothing when I go to memory management. glorious...Its all over the place

[tropic gale]

chatgpt now can connect to github repo via deep research, i just tried. and i found it keep reading and referencing someone else repo...
but i only connect and select one repo for the chatgpt to works on.
have someone facing the same issue?? 😭

[fickle forum]

wow

pro

user

[tropic gale]

im in plus plan, maybe i got the first roll XD

[fickle forum]

emmm thats nice

though I cant test it cause I ran out of my usage quota

wow

lifetime

[eternal rock]

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[heady pine]

Facts, the memory is a mess lately

[mossy marsh]

Anyone else losing there mind over chatgpt lying over and over about doing a task and it making fake or incomplete data

[soft sparrow]

Don’t use ai imo

Reddit has a chat where you can ask questions there

Only use it for learning but always do research I only trust deep research