#Balance the meta while making new Apexes !

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nova zodiac
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I know this point has already been pointed out recently but please, instead of always releasing new dinos able to flip the meta every month/2 weeks try to buff older dinos, like older uniques and raid Apexes, they really need to be better to have diversity and fun in the meta, and if not, atleast do weekly/bi weekly balance updates instead of making people wait months just for a few buffs or nerfs that most people didn't ask for, this game needs some fresh air towards balancing to be funnier and allow player to play how they want without having to be restricting themselves !
(Also please to anyone Reading this, if you wanna counter argue I can understand but PLEASE try to say anything other than "But they need to make money", a lot of mobile games are able to follow some sort of great balancing AND make money at the same time (GBL for exemple for some time))

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(To point that out we're 4 Apexes away from having as much Apexes as common, it's just stupid !)

halcyon haven
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sorry but company has payments to do it costs a lot to run servers just letting you know
also are we forgetting that lycan and indonemys and ankylos lux got buffs that made them useful again like legit very recently? acting like no one asked for them? lycan legit kills 90% of the meta with his buff and I'm sure people appreciate nemys and ankylos buffs, not every single dino needs to be good that's just how most games operate, raid apexes are so easy to get and making them meta will break lower levels because it doesn't take a brain to do raids whatsoever due to me and few others make strats that make bosses way too easy, especially that it doesn't take time to farm them anymore like they used to and they give 50 DNA now, also these weekly released are much appreciated than shoving all update dinos in one single go

inner ledge
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I really prefer them to be released weekly, it gives each one its moment of being important, it prevents the meta (already broken) from being destroyed overnight, and it also keeps you more hooked, waiting each week to see if the dino you want is the one that comes out what I do think they should do is announce all the dinos in the update in the notes, and then say what date each one will be released. That way people could prepare better and waiting for the notes would be more exciting, because last time it literally seemed like another week, 2 dinos and that's it, although in the end it turns out to be a very good update
Anyway, the request you made doesn't have much to do with what you're asking for, they can rebalance the meta more often (which I do agree with) and continue releasing dinos weekly.

nova zodiac
# inner ledge I really prefer them to be released weekly, it gives each one its moment of bein...

But they prioritise the releases not the balance, you're forgeting the main point, not everyone has the time to always max new Apexes every week, hardcore/Great players yeah, but more relaxed/casual ones ? There's no way they're getting them that fast to catch up the meta, and instead of releasing new dinos to change the meta every week, they could rebalance new ones, it just became overwhelming, the game has done monthly releases many years, and every big mobile game follows this and rebalance update to give players time to rest, CR, BW, GBL, all of them do monthly new releases and monthly rebalance, JWA on the other hand does weekly/Bi weekly releases and most of the time they rebalance actual intersting dinos every 3/4 months
And these games also make money via other method, GBL isn't from a big industry, has a monthly update/Rebalance formats, affordable ingame bonusses and manage to still be alive with a small community

humble crystal
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Remember when they told us they’d do 1 update for content and 1 update for quality of life? 😂 I think they just stuck to money, excuse me, content.

nova zodiac
# halcyon haven sorry but company has payments to do it costs a lot to run servers just letting ...

Oh so we're forgetting the buffs For Ardentosaure, Smilocepha, Allosino, Tyranolopho, and many other non asked epic and rare buffs that happened after 4 months of wait and that no one asked for instead of uniques ones ?
People seem to forget that balance updates happens every few months and only having 3/4 usefull dinos at higher lvl isn't gonna help the meta that much
And because these dinos are older and easy to get they should be weak and non usable ?
We're not talking about something underused or like that here
We're talking about actual Dinos that are meant to be high tier and get destroyed by litteraly EVERY new legendary which are 100% easier to get, logic right ?
I don't say these dinos need to be on par with better Apexes but atleast somewhat usable would be great, wouldn't it ?
They threw off communication, balance, life improving updates for only content content and more content and everyone here seems to feel like it's better this way, if it was like that for any other game it would already bé dead by now
And if easy dinos to get are meant to be bad, why is Doe, Buck, Junior, Pthator, Tmet, Angel, Rebel, their hybrids and more and more unique so good and strong compared to older dinos, when they're all 100% easier to get than these Apexes
And why are dinos like Monolorhino, dinos that are significantly harder to get, so bad, despite being harder than the ones I said earlier and many more ?

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And as I said earlier, we have almost as many Apexes than common
Isn't that a little strange ?
I don't think any other mobile games rellying on PVP and online play have so many higher rarities/Top rarities character instead of things on the lower tiers like Common Rares Epics being released

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Also I'm not against Apexes release, far from that, but it would be better if it was every 3 weeks/month and instead the team focussing more on balance instead of only content

inner ledge
nova zodiac
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My bad on that then !
Great thing that they do that, and I hope they'll continue that way too !
But it would be good if along these or every 2 week, atleast one balance update occured

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Probably going to change the name of the post to something linked to balance btw

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Balance the meta while making new Apexes !

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Done, hope it's more fitting

halcyon haven
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so let's break this:
all of those are FOR YOU non asked, not every single buff need to have pvp impact, Allosino for example is raid buff which is actually pretty useful, and some of others you mentioned are purpose of their hybrid, tyrannolopho's ovi hybrid is coming and lord knows how strong that thing is, also for low format people love their rare and epics and even commons check how many people are thrilled seeing iguanodon/nodosaur buff have done brining those to from 0 use to top of their rarities focus isn't just apex and unique and legendaries to some extend think about tournament raids islas and many other stuff focusing on shores only is legit wrong, some creatures belong in low arenas some belong higher alacranix works in aviary and is able to decimate some actual good apexes like gryganyth, some are balanced for reason to give their hybrids helping hand, you don't want to give hybrid ability that legit makes 0 sense to have and so? give the ingredient that small boost so that big one gets it, as for apec more than commons, game y'all glaze in these suggestions (JWTG) almost has 5 times more legendaries than commons so ludia doesn't care about how much rarity has over another one, sure power creep is there with rhinos being harder to get than ptor (while idk how you legit determined to be harder considering all ingredients are on map whenever and non are locked in region or continent unlike dinos you mentioned being locked in specific incubators) some are just there for ingredients, it's that simple, monomoth is still good apex I see popular

inner ledge
# nova zodiac But they prioritise the releases not the balance, you're forgeting the main poin...

That's right, balance is definitely needed, but I think that weekly releases have little to do with it, and what I said would even be better: continue with weekly releases but previously announced in the notes, people would have time to prepare, but there wouldn't be such an abrupt change in the meta because of everyone who would buy the new dinos, because we know they would put up all the possible offers the first day
It's a lot easier to play with advance notice, that's for sure, and I think it would be a good way to at least give people a margin, even if it's small, to prepare, They would continue to control the launches so that they fit their plans and there wouldn't be such a big difference thanks to the whales.
So yes, balance is super necessary and I wish they would do it.

inner ledge
nova zodiac
nova zodiac
# halcyon haven so let's break this: all of those are FOR YOU non asked, not every single buff n...

You're pretty much countering your own first part by talking about Allosino, why ?
Because out of these 4, the only one you could find a usefull place was this one, out of 4 dinos only 1 was able to have atleast some use, which, with how little legendary raids we have now, basically means nothing, the other 3 ?
Useless, they have no use in either PVP or PVE because new dinos destroy them
And how's buffing a dino, for an upcoming OP hybrid, any good for the dino ?
So because Monolo Apex is strong, the unique is too ?
No, the unique isn't while the Apex is
For Igua and Nodo, I think most people agrees that types of buff were unnecessary because of how they skyrocketed them and made every other non buffed dinos fall behind, we saw that with Igua in tourney who simply dominates them in lower rarities
I'm not against buffs for Epics,Rares, and Commons, but atleast they could give more buffs to dinos used by players later, that would also help, how much time lasted before the recent Apex buffs ?
Easily more than a year, for 4 dinos
And talking about Cranix being good doesn't counter my point, most raid Apexes aren't usable anymore even in Aviary because they fell behind even new Legendary which are significantly easier to get and shouldn't be able to put you in Aviary
And giving the ingreadient a buff that doesn't help it just for the hybrid to destroy the meta isn't logical either, Tyrano still has no purposes after the buffs, with or without it's the same thing
About JWTG, if you wanna take that in account or not, it's a solo game, having 5X more legendary isn't gonna make players fall behind, they have all the time they want, you brought it here while I stated many times that we need to talk about online games not solo ones, no one find it stupid that MH got more large monster than small ones, because it's a solo/Multi Co-op game
And about Rhino ?
Easy, Blythae is in alliance incubator so weekly, Lion in Battle Pass and Irri in wild

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While wooly can't be obtained outside of events, that alone make it harder to get, and Moros was a great exemple, a exclusive dino and many people couldn't upgrade it because of that

nova zodiac
halcyon haven
# nova zodiac You're pretty much countering your own first part by talking about Allosino, why...

I didn't say because apex is strong unique is, most creatures are just ingredients that's their role that's how ludia wants them to be, and alacranix yes I see them a lot more than you think new legendaries and stuff can compete yes but they are challenge to unlock, and reason I even brought jwtg is because it seems like it's always thrown around whenever it's in support but now it's bad? and I only mentioned jwtg to show that rarities don't matter to them same here, and about ptor you say easy then proceed to mention stricted incubators like I said in end, and wooly because he isn't in event is hard to obtain? I sure find it hard to get when I see 7 on my map on the regular day everyday

nova zodiac
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Oh then my bad for Whooly !
Always was an exclu as far as I remember, that's why I said it, but this does apply to other exclu dinos