#have we forgotten how to make tournaments fair?

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ruby zodiac
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tournaments are basically something keeping a lot of us players alive and it gives us the opportunity to test our skill to gain rewards.
WHAT HAppened? the most recent tournament is basically made for p2w players, whoever doesn't have protonodon basically is screwed so from the tens of thousands of people that play tournaments, only 50 or maybe even less have protonodon. protonodon has already been established by many that it is one of if not the strongest unique in the game, why put it in an environment where it shows a superior advantage to anyone who has it? why make the game more money hungry than it already is?

blazing cargo
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I don't know. For me, this has been an awesome tournament and very fun

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p2w players aren't even at a big advantage in this tournament. It's not dominated by omegas

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also, as someone who has proton and has used it in the tournament...it hasn't even given me a big advantage if at all. Easily hard countered by anything with distraction. Gonna have to downvote the post because it's just false, and this has been one of the most f2p friendly tournaments due to the absence of the oppressive omegas

ruby zodiac
# blazing cargo I don't know. For me, this has been an awesome tournament and very fun

I mean I can't say that you find it fun because you're a spender but it kinda is why you're having fun, unlike the top players, a lot of players just don't have the time to unlock the most random of creatures just for a tournament when we still have many apexes we want to unlock so we don't have the luxury of having all of these uniques and legendaries when we're still worried about unlocking stuff that could help us in the boost tournament or smth

ruby zodiac
blazing cargo
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and as I said before, this isn't about who is f2p or p2w. It's about how much people have played the game and unlocked certain creatures

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in fact, other tournaments are more p2w than this one, because like I said they involve omegas. And no, for your second point it's not rude just wrong, proton doesn't easily win against distractors in this tournament (I have done the things you said). It has counters, just use them

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I have lost to plenty of people that don't have proton simply because they outplayed me. It's not p2w, this tournament is more about skill and rng (depends on what you draw in your deck)

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look, I respect your opinion on this. It might seem unfair for new players, but for us who have been playing for a while it has been a very fun tournament and better than all the past ones

not every tournament should cater to new players just as not every tournament should cater to veterans who have most things unlocked

ruby zodiac
# blazing cargo except it's not why I'm having fun. There are plenty of people I know who said t...

don't get me wrong, some people STILL enjoy this tournament including myself even though I don't have a few of the uniques mandatory but the problem is that they made a tournament where there is 1 creature superior to all, that shouldn't be how balancing tournaments work. tournaments are supposed to be about skill, not about who chose a different path in the game wins. most importantly, what I'm trying to say is that this is an uneven format and this shouldn't be what tournaments become

blazing cargo
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if that one creature you're talking about is protonodon

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then I'm sorry, but you're just completely wrong. Is it very good? Yes, but you can beat people by having more skill just as people have beat mine

rativates is basically just as good in this tournament and is a beast. Giganspinoceratops is also a beast and so is plateopika

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so it seems to me like you've got it wrong here. Maybe you got destroyed by a proton or two, but as someone who used it I can more accurately tell you it doesn't always just sweep matches

ruby zodiac
blazing cargo
ruby zodiac
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eh but it still works

blazing cargo
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you could test matchups a million times on paleo and it still won't give accurate data

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so I wouldn't say it works. At all.

ruby zodiac
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situations wise obviously paleo can't calculate that but it shows you what can deal with what h2h

blazing cargo
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right, and h2h is only half the story. If even that

ruby zodiac
blazing cargo
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well this may surprise you, but my proton has died almost as much as my other creatures. Is it one of the best options? For sure, but it's not leagues above everything else here when you have things that can distract and dodge (contrary to what you said, distracting it DOES indeed help against it)

many people have beat me near the top that don't have protonodon. And it goes to show drawing it isn't an automatic win

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and when your entire basis for what kills it is based off of paleo, I'm sorry...but that's just not reliable at all

ruby zodiac
blazing cargo
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and so could many other creatures in this tournament

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giganspinoceratops. Atrocimoloch. Some others as well

you can say they may not sway it as much to that extent, but in many cases they actually do

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giganspinoceratops kills almost everything in the tournament. If you're going to complain about proton, it's only fair to complain about the other problems

ruby zodiac
blazing cargo
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but point being...there are ways to play around each and every creature in this tournament, from what I have seen. I have been playing it for hours today

blazing cargo
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of course at lower trophies, a protonodon will sweep, but so will giganspinocera and rativates

when you get to higher levels where people actually play optimally and choose the best teams possible, that's where you notice the difference and get a more realistic idea of how good it is

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if you wanna talk about an actually p2w creature in this tournament, focus on the actual issue

Rativates

ruby zodiac
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blazing cargo
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interesting. I am currently in the top 20 and have found rativates to be a lot more problematic than protonodon, even with counters specifically for rativates

ruby zodiac
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maybe it could be a ranking problem which is what gives us different opinions which it probably is

blazing cargo
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I don't think you are wrong at all in saying proton is very good but to say this tournament is unfair for f2p is a bit silly imo

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especially when my friend, who doesn't have many of these new creatures like proton unlocked

he has not only reached top 100 but has beaten me in the tournament even when I had proton

ruby zodiac
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I mean props to them I'm sure they're pretty good at figuring out strategies quickly but for people who can't it's a problem

blazing cargo
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even the epic gigantspino is a really good creature in this tournament and pretty much everyone has it

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at that point if they can't figure out the strategies it's just as much of a needing to learn as it is of proton being busted

ruby zodiac
blazing cargo
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another thing to keep in mind is even if proton wasn't available in this tournament, it wouldn't make uniques like toven any better. Sure, it'd be one less creature, but still there are a lot more than 8 better options

ruby zodiac
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you're right, it wouldn't. but at least it's a step in the right direction

blazing cargo
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not much, at least in terms of making toven better

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it'd be like if you had 100 dollars and gave someone a dollar, not a huge change in terms of toven's usability

sleek summit
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I have faced protodon 3 times, I only lost because I misplayed. I have beaten people WITH protodon. Everything I have rn in the tournament is f2p

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