#Did we throw balancing out the door?

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pseudo dew
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Let's buff a top tier apex because why not MRDNA_Shrug (this does not fix the mirror matching issue. Yall just made it 100% worse)

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dark marlin
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You can be upset at a buff, but it does fix the mirror as it can break shields. Before they literally could not beat each other... Now a mirror is by choice

thick rain
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I tested it and all, seems to be fixed imo

dark marlin
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How would they draw it out though? And how is that different than any other match with people swapping and healing when they're losing?

The longest it can reasonably delay is 4 turns, which is much shorter than infinity

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So what you're saying is the slower conc wins turn 1 when they both use expose. After the armor piercing counter, plus damage increase, plus vulnerability. This is a good fix

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It does pierce armor, after a nice 25% boost. Battle over

wicked gull
slim talon
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Whether or not it wasn't fixed is debatable, but it definitely didn't make it any worse

iron quail
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Conch can still infinite. All depending on what builds you are facing. Didn’t fix any problems and made it stronger…

pseudo dew
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im not exaggerating either. the passive shielding is what ENABLES the mirror matches

pseudo dew
restive kelp
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most of the time it will still result in infinite matches as both conlochs may feel inclined to play passive

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and so what if it DID fix infinite matches?

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the buff helped it drastically against EVERYTHING that counters it (aside from thylos)

dark marlin
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Choosing to play passive is much different than simply not being able to beat each other. The issue was that you could turn your phone off knowing if your opponent attacked they would lose. Now if you walk away, they expose weakness and you lose...hence incentivizing trying to win.

I've had 3 mirrors since the update, and no passive attempts.

restive kelp
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there are still cases where both with the ideal build can infinitely draw it out

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and I'll just repeat my point again, so what? Even if they fixed infinite matches, buffing the already #1 creature is not the way to go about it

dark marlin
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Again, you have to actively play. No different than old school dilos matching off. Or triceratopheaddragon stalling forever

restive kelp
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I can repeat what I said thrice if you'd like

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they turned a monster into an even bigger monster

dark marlin
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Ok, that was never my point though. I pointed out it was a buff in the comment where you quoted me

restive kelp
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right, but you were undermining that they buffed it to trade off for the fact that it doesn't always have endless mirror matchups

slim talon
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Problem is it needs to lose stall and be more offensive, not keep stall and be more offensive

restive kelp
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then again, I also think conloch doesn't deserve shield break

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it only has a few counters and most of them only win because of their shields

slim talon
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Giving Hastening Shelter a delay would probably help at least a little

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Gains sinraptor as a counter in advantage

iron quail
iron quail
slim talon
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Cloch cannot stop the 9500 damage nuclear bomb about to hit it

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or wait lemme see how high it is in skill

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yeah Cloch isn't gonna survive

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and Sinraptor wins in skill even with the lack of delay