The only suggestion part of your suggestion is "never release broken unit, and always make every unit counterable without the same line up." But the rest of it just looks like just insults and complaining. Like, imagine if this miraculously got sent to the devs and then they just throw it away because most of it is just you insulting the game and its players. Perhaps make a suggestion that is reasonable and clear if you were hoping to make an impact, because "never release broken unit" is unreasonable for any gacha game lol. 
#Suggestion #2505
sudden fable
@random obsidian forgot to put an @ in the main thing. whoops 
for the record, I also do not enjoy units like Anoelle being released and then units like bkarin becoming the anti air god which plummets the usability of other air units when she isn't banned.
random obsidian
is not noelle this week get banned lol.
sudden fable
indeed, both Anoelle and bkarin are banned this week
I'm just talking about weeks where they are free
like the incoming week 
random obsidian
bkarin does not really do it since yuppie has 8 hit shields. that is too much even for karin. before that, she will get pulled by Lake
sudden fable
lake will likely be banned next week
random obsidian
sadly, lake is not the only ship to punish karin lol.
sudden fable
mata will also be banned next week
loads of mata curry this week so it's almost certain
unless you had a different ship in mind?
random obsidian
because "never release broken unit" is unreasonable for any gacha game lol
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if they want reasonable ones, they would not design yuppie like that imo. we could have more good counters for noelle, but yuppie block it. that s why bkarin just does not do enough to counter her. i can imagine people wouldnt have complained if yuppie had never exist. we got more counter like alsy or operators that deal reflection dmg
sudden fable
they made yuppie before Anoelle, decent chance they completely forgot about yuppie because very few people were using her before Anoelle
also I feel like bkarin+grem is a perfect counter for Anoelle
random obsidian
the problem, is that broken = uncounterable in this game. we increase dmg/sustainability for many units, but if the kit is trash, increasing them just do not work either as they do not function at all
sudden fable
mmm, so now you get to make a suggestion that tries to give them a path to avoid this/fix it 
random obsidian
they do not want to fix it right? to begin with, they already saw how Arosa dominated back then. it s because alsy cannot immediately kill it. then, they make stronger version of that, Noelle + yuppie. Bkarin usually does not help much, but Bkarin todays would definitely have been better if it had existed years ago when Arosa was first released, now, is just.......
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If they want to make strong unit, just make counterable ones like Felix. Lyudmilla can silence it, but there is still a way to deploy swan claire. However, if you try to bring swan, make sure you wont regret it if you dont have slot when encountering other units like Ayubin or Queen, unless you still have counter to deal with one of them.
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What about Yuppie? why the hell they let flier get buff from that. it might be perfect for other Asniper like curian/Queen though
sudden fable
even if they yuppie, as long as you top deck grem you can usually beat her, bkarin just makes that a certainty 
I'll ignore the alyud, felix swan stuff
The main problem I have with yuppie fd Anoelle is that it is literally just gambling to see if your opponent has grem. as for camp, bkarin is actually supreme against her cos Anoelle can't hit from across the entire map like her lol
it will end up with you losing any rangers and snipers getting outcamped by her but there's actually counterplay by not feeding Anoelle all your squishy units
random obsidian
Talking with people who do not realize that devs will not balance unit like noelle for the time being after squeezing many whaler, just reallly feel suck and tiring
long rune
The main problem I have with yuppie fd Anoelle is that it is literally just gamb...
Fa ke
Tbh anoelle is not that big threat
It is Bullet who inject the yuppie strat into people’s mind
L youtuber
random obsidian
I guess we have to close the discussion. Whatever the banlist system is:
- they will always make uncounterable unit
- they wont nerf it soon enough
- complaining it wont change a thing
- they will replace these broken unit later on with other broken unit, to make meta, to squeeze wallet, etc (i have seen this format everywhere LOL, in any gacha games)
- you guys have to admit that devs forced you to mirror match (the unit change someday, but the mirror match format is maintained). spending is the easiest path provided by them! Yuppie was not the first time this happened yet
sudden fable
Can you show screenshots of you playing mirror matches. because mirror matches are insanely rare for me and when I watch streams they seem incredibly rare there too, there are always slight differences in the comps. Unless you just mean they run the same carry unit as you in a mirror match
cinder cairn
I guess we have to close the discussion. Whatever the banlist system is:
1. they...
bro who cares if no complaints will change anything LOL
random obsidian
bro who cares if no complaints will change anything LOL
were not people complaining bc they hope they gonna change? well, i just realistically say based on bside's action. I mean, ppl asking for nerf or buff, but does not specifically mention how the unit should change, what should be added, what should be removed etc
cinder cairn
are we the developers
as players we have the right to complain and suggest
and the developers have an obligation to listen
random obsidian
they might listen, but what ppl even suggest is just smth that wont change too much. what i wan to see is if the buff/the nerf make that broken unit counterable. not just stats change stuff.
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i would hate if people say to balance certain unit, developer then just reduce attack or crit stats each by 10%. Well that is so useless. and, i would hate it if that is done.
that does not have impact in changing the meta/comp composition.
some unit already get 20 - 30% atk, hp, def and eva but still appear rarely. people just know it that stats buff = change almost nothing
cinder cairn
stats change makes the unit counterable man
reducing anoelle atk and crit is probably very significant
random obsidian
significant? and how the hell do you explain many others unit even after stat changes? and still unplayable
i would rather see yuppie can only be triggered using non awakened unit (both sniper and defender), but can buff awakened unit, so they spend more dp and slot just for noelle.
or, yuppie cannot buff fliers instead.. Then, thepeople will change her comps and gameplay
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imagine now ppl needs to play yuppie like this: deploy defender (cost 2-4), Rqueen/noelle/curian/asmodeus cost 5-6, and sniper (cost 2-4). it would require 10 - 14 dp to activate yuppie.
Even now, i can imagine strong units like felix can add one more unit summoned, maybe striker melee to the front (and people wont bitching too much if we have counter units). it s because i see her as a unit can easily be killed with yubin, current mavka, or even shutdown the whole gameplay using lyudmilla
and each counters unit of felix, has also counters unit too
lyudmilla < swan, lake etc , yubin < andrea vesca, rangers etc, Rqueen < Lake supperior, and many more
cinder cairn
i am gonna be honest i ont think you know anything about pvp
nerfing yuppie does literally nothing to the problem because you should always have a countermeasure for the deck in queue
if you nerf the attack stats and crit stats of such units it does so much more for them than a simple yuppie nerf. since you won't have to deal with as much initial burst and can have more dp to deal with yuppies
i would be happy with a stats nerf or anything, but then again i think nerfing is very problematic too
honestly i think it just shows you don't really understand pvp, felix is already a unit that's broken to hell
many units post stat-changes are also very playable and are good if invested in - the only reason you don't see them on the ladder is because bad players just copy decks and don't think
thats all im gonna really say on the matter the discussion really shows you don't understand anything about pvp lol
random obsidian
copy decks/mirror match is the issue because because it is consistent for climbing. i also found someone feels mirror match (the awakened that carry the team, to be specific) makes the game boring.
if your suggestion accepted, i would bet copy decks still happen (especially meta). my suggestion 's pros is that now every comps can crumble against certain counterplay. In my opinion (in case of Asniper comps), preventing fliers getting buffed by yuppie is very good. now, alsy can instantly punish it. Lake/mata can pull it. It is just how Felix players died after their opponents deploy Lyudmilla, Mina, Yubin, Queen, king, etc. It destroys their whole chance to win if Felixers do not have right countermeasure
in arena without banlist, i bet people still stick to carry unit with uncounterable mechanics even if the stat reduced a bit (just like how many unit given multiple 30%+ stats. still unplayable) .
and, if i am one of the felix players, i would be prepared with something the unit that counter my felix in the available slots. ships, unit, even operators
if i bring swan and my ship is albion, but opponents dominate me with Rqueen, so be it. i just do not have preparation in defeating RQ
cinder cairn
copy decks/mirror match is the issue because because it is consistent for climbi...
yuppie is already counterable, she isn’t hard to counter if you bring the right cards in your deck
dies to gremory/karin/alsy/any forward deploy
random obsidian
because it s still not at all
cinder cairn
i don’t understand why you have such a hard time countering yuppie when she doesn’t actually do much of anything other than giving barriers
cinder cairn
because it s still not at all
can I see your pvp screen? what elo are you?
cinder cairn
So what rank are you
answer the question please
noelle isn’t even meta in any of the last 3 weeks she was free, she is too easily counterable
random obsidian
i m already chally
cinder cairn
congratulations that doesn’t really mean anything though LOL
random obsidian
bruuh, i only make it bc people do not like to bring alsy when i spam mavka
cinder cairn
noelle is less of a problem than other units nowadays she is easily counterable and so is yuppie
therefore your point doesn’t make any sense
and a stat nerf would destroy noelles viability
random obsidian
No. Yuppie s problem, not noelle. If anyone plays noelle, just use olive park
random obsidian
no. you dont get my point. i do get yours though.
i want a counter of yuppie's comps. It has to be something that equals to "felix comps has too many counters from single awakened unit, that if you do not bring one, your comps might fail", so it depends on luck whether felix will be countered and whether the felixers can counterback their own medicine.
you want to make the dmg output lessen just a little bit. this is terrible idea as noelle's basic attack even kill backline unit.
this is the list on how to deal with felix. each of them, can be re-countered
the onlyway to deal with Noelle, is by putting her in slepp mode, then burst it after it wakes up. too many resources consumed to deal with noelle
i want alsy and Achrist delete her immediately
- R eli
add more counters idea please
maybe, we can now increase lily s cast and atk range. from sleep to disarm ( new status. unremoveable except by debuff remover, e.g catherin). this way, lily can also ruin that comp
long rune
So
What’s you guys talking about
Yuppie seriously is not that hard to bear
Just put a grem
And stacks gone
cinder cairn
no. you dont get my point. i do get yours though.
i want a counter of yuppie's c...
yuppie has many, many counters
random obsidian
Gremory is the only one to pull that!
it requires gremory, follow up by backline killer.
random obsidian
too expensive. 3 dp grem, 4 dp for karin/Reli , or 5 dp with Alsy..
sudden fable
too expensive. 3 dp grem, 4 dp for karin/Reli , or 5 dp with Alsy..
how is 7dp for a -6dp to your opponents field too expensive
you have a 4 cost on the field while your opponent just lost their 6dp unit. that is game winning 
cinder cairn
kami s1, enterprise s1, so many things counter yuppie
random obsidian
how is 7dp for a -6dp to your opponents field too expensive
bc that will be extremely cheaper if you just deploy alsy/karin! i mean, it s also better to save grem for better timing.