theorycrafting

[drifting quest]

i am in agreement that pog + crusher teams are pretty bad

[sterile moat]

Hmm i am not too sure on pog vs endmin

[quasi quarry]

replaceable by who?

[drifting quest]

higher invest chen/lifeng prefs pog

[drifting quest]

ardelia, akekuri, ember, etc

[quasi quarry]

can you still do 4/4 for breach and crush?

[outer ermine]

u ge

[quasi quarry]

with that

[chilly bolt]

I've seen people use ember over lifeng

[drifting quest]

4/3/3 with a slower rot in general

maybe can do higher on dapan p5

[icy remnant]

Ember does have her combo skill to apply Vuln

[quasi quarry]

I find it weird because iana's doc for example mentions a lifeng no pog team but pog is only mentioned for 4 phys

[heady pine]

That’s the copium team it says it in the doc

For pog-less players

[drifting quest]

would be something to discuss with Iana

i dont know if they plan to return or not

[icy remnant]

LiFeng will very likely be the first Phys unit dropped

[quasi quarry]

my question is set entirely within what we have

now

[icy remnant]

Unless the first Phys banner unit is a crusher/breacher specifically

[quasi quarry]

I'm not looking for future-proofing

[icy remnant]

I still think it’s Pog
Endmin/Dapan Chen Pog is a fully functional fluid team

[drifting quest]

the first unit drops depends on the replacement

lifeng isnt getting dropped if they release a new crusher

or a better vanguard

[quasi quarry]

^ yeah i don't want to make this answer depending on assumptions

they could release a new vanguard that works in every team the best

[drifting quest]

its just baseless to say x unit will be dropped first

[quasi quarry]

shrug

[drifting quest]

when its entirely based on what hg releases

[icy remnant]

Alright still LiFeng is not the core of the team

Endmin Chen Pog is the core

LiFeng is the extra

[drifting quest]

what

[icy remnant]

Just going back to the topic above

Not the banner

[drifting quest]

what does core mean

[icy remnant]

You can use those 3 plus another unit

To make a team

[drifting quest]

endmin is replacable easily

[icy remnant]

Ardelia Akekuri whatever

[drifting quest]

chen can be replaced

[icy remnant]

Yea

[drifting quest]

pog can be replaced

[sterile moat]

Hmm chen value seems pretty high

[drifting quest]

it is

but she can still be replaced if you really want

its a nothingburger statement

i do not get the purpose of it

[icy remnant]

So what are you trying to suggest anyways

We’re just saying the same thing

[drifting quest]

???

[icy remnant]

And you nitpick it

Endmin/Dapan Chen Pog plus a 4th unit is a perfectly viable Phys team and I think Pog is a better pick than LiFeng that’s all

[drifting quest]

You say something in an objective sense that is wrong
I interject

we are not saying the same things

[icy remnant]

I am too lazy to keep typing Dapan there

[sterile moat]

I think endmin has staying value just from future pots being good?

[drifting quest]

if they are your opinions sure you can have whatever opinions you want

[drifting quest]

entirely dictated by what the pots do and if we get a premium banner crusher

[icy remnant]

But yea you basically gave him a non answer after rejecting that it’s a “core” just because units can be replaced

Okay

[drifting quest]

I'd like to think I had answered their original question

But if I didn't my bad I'll backscroll now

[sterile moat]

Hmm pog is still better than endmin even if it only benefits chen?

[drifting quest]

for rossi? she gets the benefits herself too

its a case of endmin personal damage and buff vs pogs much larger buffs
things like uptime matter too

pog also just generally has smoother rots that are harder to mess up

[sterile moat]

Fair

Endmin rots are so painful

Idk why theres a weird timing between the sp refund

[icy remnant]

Gonna need to cook up entirely new ones for CC too probably

Since they’re definitely gonna have SP risk

Or UGE

[sterile moat]

slower sp regen for sure will be a thing

[icy remnant]

I feel that Akekuri will rise a lot in value cus of that

[sterile moat]

I doubt so actually

Since its so difficult to charge her ult

[honest hill]

tc so cooked

[quasi quarry]

so who looks like the better replacement for the lack of Lifeng? Akekuri can provide the SP for one more vuln stack I guess?

while also buffing with link

[sterile patrol]

i hope cc starts with half ult start to really fuck with us

[icy remnant]

There’s an entire scene centered around min maxing out entire CC stages

[sterile moat]

0 starting sp will be so troll

[honest hill]

Yeah...

[honest hill]

0 sp + slow sp regen

[drifting quest]

ember is (where applicable) closest in damage if properly utilised
ard is closer in damage than ake over large time, with sustain comfort
ake is more sp comfort and can be better for ult start very short stuff

[quasi quarry]

I'm asking this entire question because I have someone who wants to pick up the game and they seemed to want to use Phys but I can't answer them on who to pick ffrom the selector between Lifeng and Pog for it

[icy remnant]

No SP regen*

[glacial jackal]

You forgot 0 ult

[icy remnant]

[honest hill]

Hifumi will have a lot of fun w that

[drifting quest]

0 sp start, 50% lower natural sp regen, ults cost 50/100% more

[outer ermine]

estella value stonks

[drifting quest]

etc etc

are all probable risk tags

[glacial jackal]

Slow ult regen

[drifting quest]

do they plan to pull any banner this patch or next

[icy remnant]

Dodge no iframe will probably end up being an in theory optimal tag that no one wants to take

Because it’ll make the stage hell

[quasi quarry]

not sure

this patch idts

[drifting quest]

the longer they wait on the selector the better

could say just chendmin story and check back at endgame

[quasi quarry]

yeah I guess I'll tell them to pull on standard as much as possible before they make a choice

[icy remnant]

If he just started that means he doesn’t have either Laev or Gilberta?
And he also wants Phys?

[quasi quarry]

like getting

the standard pulls you can get

[icy remnant]

Doesn’t that straight up scream roll on the rerun banner

[drifting quest]

40 beginner banner pulls

[quasi quarry]

not using currency lol i think i worded that like shit

[honest hill]

make sure they don't use their oroberyl on standard banner!

[drifting quest]

and some 100-150 standard banner pulls

to burn

[honest hill]

also your friend might quit endfield early on and never learn how to play phys team properly

[icy remnant]

If they’re missing both Laev and Gilberta and also will want Pog, that 4pax banner looks insane for them

[honest hill]

idek how that banner works

higher rates?

[chilly bolt]

Still a bait banner

[honest hill]

yeah bait banner

[icy remnant]

You can’t get spooks
100% rate on 6 stars to be any of the 4

[cold bane]

afaik they said only 6* on "bait rerun" banner are ardelia / pog / lava / gilberta

[drifting quest]

requires them wanting laev and gilb, having teams to use them, not losing to ardelia, not getting pog from any other source

[chilly bolt]

Only those 4 in the pool yeah

[honest hill]

80 pity?

[sterile moat]

How good are pog's later pots again

[drifting quest]

p4 is the first good one

p4 and p5 are both alright

[honest hill]

holy that's a scam

[sterile moat]

The only scam is getting ardelia

[icy remnant]

I don’t see how that’s a scam

[sterile moat]

3/4 is pretty good odds

[drifting quest]

backpulling in a gacha logic

with 2 hits being standard units

[icy remnant]

75% rate is way higher than our normal rates

[cold bane]

for someone who rerolls / starts out i think it's okay

[honest hill]

wait it's higher rates?

[icy remnant]

If in theory he wants 3 of the 4 units

[drifting quest]

there's no 50/50 to lose to

[sterile moat]

Its fixed pool of only 4 ops

[drifting quest]

they're assuming 3 hits

of 4 possible

[icy remnant]

If he wants Laev, Gilberta and Pog

That’s 3 hits

[drifting quest]

which if they dont want laev or gilb it is now

1/4 hit and that 1 hit is a standard banner unit

[honest hill]

can't u get earlies?

[drifting quest]

yes

[icy remnant]

Of course you can

[honest hill]

so it's not that much of a scam then

[drifting quest]

it's still a bait banner but it's not a scam

[honest hill]

does pity carry over to the next special headhunting?

[drifting quest]

doesnt appear so

but we dont know

[sterile moat]

Who knows

[icy remnant]

Its not a scam at all imo
Its just not meant for people who already rolled on those banners

[drifting quest]

that part is a scam, rather

[honest hill]

yeah

[drifting quest]

i forgot that pity is unique

[chilly bolt]

It Might have a separate pity system

[honest hill]

yep

[drifting quest]

banner gets even worse

[honest hill]

that's why I see it as a scam

for now

[sterile moat]

For whales that want high pot on 3 unit

[icy remnant]

Why does it matter if it carries over if you make sure you have 120 rolls before you pull and stop when you get what you want

[sterile moat]

Seems good to me

[drifting quest]

i mean it requires a whale who didnt you know

whale on laev or gilb rate ups

and is willing to spend more on this banner than they would on those 2

[sterile moat]

Me

[icy remnant]

If for example I start today
I can get either Laev or Gilberta and in theory if I get one of them
I can just spark the other?
Assuming it’s a spark system which you can choose

[honest hill]

for the special headhunting banner it would make sense if pity carries over to the next special headhunting in a few months after

[icy remnant]

If the 120 is straight random then rip

[drifting quest]

in base ak pity doesnt transfer over

[sterile moat]

Yea tbh i would whale on that banner only if you can choose the spark

[drifting quest]

for this banner type

[icy remnant]

I still dont understand why this would make it a scam or not

You can just pace your pulls

Don’t roll if you don’t have pity?

[drifting quest]

assuming intelligence in a gacha community

[honest hill]

unique pity and possibly pity doesn't carry over

[icy remnant]

Bro make sure you have 120 tf

Then there’s nothing to carry over

[sterile moat]

Not pulling for gil before cc is certainly a choice though

[honest hill]

I'm not talking about the normal limited banner

special headhunting

[quasi quarry]

rossi question if you consume the arts infliction from something else and the enemy has no arts inflictions by the time the second sequence of her combo skill lands, she doesn't apply vuln stacks, is this a bug or does the part describing her second sequence and onwards count like one if statement?

[icy remnant]

I’m talking about this one as well or are you assuming there’s no 120 pity?

[drifting quest]

we know nothing about cc

[honest hill]

I assume no 120

[drifting quest]

gilb could be the worst unit going in cc

[honest hill]

unless in base ak it was 120

[icy remnant]

If you start off assuming the worst of course it’s dogshit

[chilly bolt]

That's normal, if no infliction then no vuln, simple

[drifting quest]

getting people to pull gilb for a cc we know nothing about is peak bait

[sterile moat]

Not a bug, it must consume to get the vul

[sterile moat]

In the end with 0 info, its better to have it then not lmao

[quasi quarry]

my issue is the text can read as if consuming the arts infliction only relates to the extra damage, wanted to make sure if it's just bad text explanation

[icy remnant]

In AK limited banners straight up don’t rerun
Instead they become off rate in other limited banners
But the spark where you buy them in the shop stays, where you pull 300 and just buy them out

[honest hill]

I'm very confused, you said it was 100% rate to get any of the 4. I assumed that's at 80 not 120 because ur guaranteed a 6* at 80. Also the banner has it's unqiue pity and we don't know if it's pity carries over to the next special headhunting banner if that's what they're doing.

[chilly bolt]

Yes classic hg wording

[icy remnant]

100% rate to get a 6 star in 80 pulls is every banner man…

[honest hill]

yes but is it of the 4 shown or off rate?

[icy remnant]

Yes

[honest hill]

which

?

[icy remnant]

Laev Gilberta Pog Ardelia
Whenever you get a 6 star it’s definitely one of them

That’s all

[honest hill]

yeah but that's at 80 I don't think there's a 120 anyways

[icy remnant]

There’s no reason to think so?

Not yet anyways

We can wait and see

[sterile moat]

Have to see the rules for the banner

[honest hill]

no I don't think there will be a 120

[sterile moat]

Thats just speculation lol

[honest hill]

yeah on my part yes

[icy remnant]

As I said
If you start off assuming the worst case scenario it’s gonna be dog shit

[honest hill]

just like how I was right about sanity discount event having a limit of 3

[sterile moat]

I am waiting to see the rules on the banner before deciding to whale on it or not too

[honest hill]

do u need any of the 4?

[sterile moat]

I need 3 laev and 4 gilberta, idm pog pots i guess

[honest hill]

what about Zhuang

[icy remnant]

If the 120 spark is there you can treat it as losing the 50/50 and straight up buying Gilberta/Laev

[honest hill]

yeah

[sterile moat]

have to see fang yi numbers and comp first, doesnt look as interesting to me atm

[honest hill]

rip

[outer ermine]

banner was for u holo

[sterile moat]

Ikr

[icy remnant]

But yea if Gilberta ends up being meta for 6 months

A 120 spark isn’t expensive

[honest hill]

I think so

[sterile moat]

As rossi main, gil is 100% meta for me for a super long time

[honest hill]

meta for like speedruns right

[icy remnant]

Max risk will be the new frontier

I think Gilberta will still be good

[outer ermine]

as long as we dont get overly fucked w uge

[sterile moat]

Thats where all the pot 4 shines

[outer ermine]

just full pot wp run 270uge

[icy remnant]

Getting fked by SP and just never using Ardelia skill

[sterile moat]

I have a feeling that uge sets will be the best....

[icy remnant]

Just use combo to get corrosion for res down

Which is also a 100% dmg increase cus their res is 90

[sterile moat]

Or we some crazy comp like corro 4 cheese

[outer ermine]

inb4 same as speedkill meta, just uge and catastrophe

[icy remnant]

I like how much damage res down gives in Arknights
Like when I can’t Surtr smth down I drop in Texas S2 and suddenly everything dies

[sterile moat]

Whats the best comp that does corro 4

[icy remnant]

TangTang hyper carry

[sterile moat]

Ayy my tt basically invested

Whats the other units

[icy remnant]

TangTang Gilberta Perlica Akekuri?

[chilly bolt]

Xaihi lol

[icy remnant]

Oh

Right

Not Akekuri

[chilly bolt]

It's just lr hyper but with tt

[sterile moat]

So if i have 4 inflict + 1 nature its corro 4 right

[icy remnant]

Somehow I actually doubt they will give crazy Res for our first CC

Since Fangyi is releasing

But it’s just fun to meme about

[honest hill]

I hope Fangyi is broken so Holo can whale on her instead

[icy remnant]

Huh

[outer ermine]

just ard gil cheese holo

[sterile moat]

Fangyi cant even use gil in the comp

[honest hill]

Wait so what would the comp be

[icy remnant]

Well if they’re just broken then I’ll be kinda worried about power creep

I hope they’re just strong

[honest hill]

I mean rossi is so damn strong

[sterile moat]

Speculated to be perlica arclight +1

[honest hill]

Eww

[icy remnant]

Rossi has a very real downside of being single target

And CC can brutalise her

Rhodagn isn’t an endgame

[honest hill]

true

[sterile moat]

Thats what i thought, but the ult can hit multiple target if it lines up?

[honest hill]

Holo how will arc work w her ehen she consumes electric infliction or whateve

I have P5 of her

[icy remnant]

If you can manage to line up whatever cluster fk they design their CC as sure

[sterile moat]

Ask the elec mains, but arc is there to provide sp

[icy remnant]

I’m pretty sure they won’t make life so easy

Especially since Fangyi has huge Aoe

Rossi might suddenly drop like 2 tiers

[honest hill]

@forest lily is arc good for fangyi

[icy remnant]

Cus she can only handle situations with 1 boss

[sterile moat]

Yea, thats why i wanna up my laev stocks

[forest lily]

i mean, shes pretty useless

you'd be using arc to apply a single elec stack with ult

much better to just repeat cycle with fangyi and perlica

and bring supps

[honest hill]

Oh

[glacial jackal]

Long name

[opal river]

might be stupid of me to ask here but can i send pictures of my Endmin's build and the damage here?
#help doesn't seem to asnwer and i want to know how can i push my damage further

[sterile moat]

Sure

[drifting quest]

if they give her some buffs in 1.2 they didnt reveal in the stream to make her a competent unit sure

or if there's literally nothing better to run

[honest hill]

I hope they do

She's so bad for a 5*

[swift onyx]

Isnt all arc does..is being a thermite holder

[opal river]

this what i got, no food buff yet because want to know if i am missing something

[drifting quest]

might be the worst 5*

its a close battle between her and snowshine

[swift onyx]

Wtf snowshine slander

[gritty olive]

do i have a use for wedge if im vouvireless?

[honest hill]

Was Arclight any good in the beta

[opal river]

yes i do know i am missing some masteries, but i doubt m3 ult or BS will get me higher than 200K

[icy remnant]

You need to Endmin combo skill before you crush

[chilly bolt]

Cope option on tt

[drifting quest]

looks to be rotation issue

in general

[icy remnant]

I can see you left your Endmin combo still up and you already crushed

[opal river]

yeah last one was a mistake, but what about the before phase 2?

[icy remnant]

Go test out the damage again

[gritty olive]

i have two brigands

[smoky quarry]

catcher and ember fighting for the status of the biggest fraud

[drifting quest]

give the rot in iana's doc a test

[gritty olive]

four mini guns

[drifting quest]

its catcher and its not even close between those two

embers better than a decent few units now

[smoky quarry]

What are 1.2 characters? Do they look good?

[drifting quest]

just fangyi

hard to say but probably good

[smoky quarry]

nothingburger for me

[drifting quest]

has issues we wont be able to assess until we get numbers

[shy mica]

@south bloom you might wanna see this gng

[icy remnant]

More hyped about 1.3 than 1.2
Glad they decided to show off future stuff

Especially CC

Well CC not confirmed to be 1.3 but now that we know it’s coming

It’s a lot nicer than treating Rhodagn as endgame

[smoky quarry]

wth is CC

[south bloom]

wtf

[icy remnant]

Contingency contract

Real endgame

[gritty olive]

contingency contract

seasonal no pull endgame evemt in arknights

[smoky quarry]

no pull endgame? Meh

[icy remnant]

Spoken like a gacha tourist

[gritty olive]

https://youtu.be/QgUAH_siYuo

https://youtu.be/AS49yqyEgCA

heres a worse example

[smoky quarry]

There's a huge chance I have more hours in this game than you, but alright

[drifting quest]

cc needs to be no pulls

[gritty olive]

the cleartime was like 11 hours

[drifting quest]

its going to be so miserable if they put pulls in cc

[smoky quarry]

What could you possibly offer that is worth doing this event?

[gritty olive]

maldimg for the love of the game

[drifting quest]

other resources, cosmetics like profile icons

[icy remnant]

Trim medals

[smoky quarry]

wow, the useless shit strikes again

trim medals, never missed them

[gritty olive]

schrodingers pull economy

hard event gives no pulls: "why should i do this"
hard event gives pulls: "i need to oblige to meta for pulls"

[smoky quarry]

Goomba fallacy

I'd never say that I feel bad about hard event giving pulls

[drifting quest]

hard content should always be optional

as long as its additional and not replacing other pull economy

[gritty olive]

"hard content" when its always routinely made would probably deter people from actually engaging content properly

[icy remnant]

People think Genshin abyss is hard content

[drifting quest]

genshin abyss has artificial difficulty

[gritty olive]

stygian onslaught

[icy remnant]

“Hard content”

[icy remnant]

Dps check on a timer and hopefully you pulled the meta units

[opal river]

another test run
somehow i got 228K from same setup in phase 1
the 180K is exact same
was it a crit?

[icy remnant]

Lifengs Phys dmg received isn’t there

For the first one

Not sure

[opal river]

exactly, shouldn't be lower in that case?
do crits have a visual effect?

[icy remnant]

Also it seems your LiFeng set up is wrong

You should be using Xiranite set up

If you wanna max dps anyways

[icy remnant]

Weird then cus I don’t see it in your buff bar

Might’ve taken too long before you crushed

You can delay Lifengs skill abit if you need more SP

[opal river]

do we have a sheet somewhere for maximum theoritical Endmin damage?

[icy remnant]

In the pins

[opal river]

so that i won't keep bothering you guys with photos

[icy remnant]

There’s a document

It shows the optimal rotation for the team

[opal river]

yeah that's what i keep following
but meant as in a benchmark to check my damage agaisnt every test

to make sure if i am doing things right or wrong

[icy remnant]

I mean you can just record it

[opal river]

and to not keep bothering you with having to check my images

[icy remnant]

And see yourself if you played correctly

You can look at stuff in the recording like if you do stuff too late and debuffs fall off or whatever

Or haven’t used Pog Ult

[opal river]

that's what i do to get the screen shots
but maybe i am not wording it correctly
in first test i did 180K
third was 220K
what is the maximum known damage that was recoreded here?
i do know that every test will improve my damage due to improved timing
but what use is improved timing if say the max damage was 450K?
then it would mean there's something wrong with what i built

[sterile moat]

Your build looks fine

Mostly like a rotation problem

[fierce nest]

probably the boss is staggered in one screenshot and not staggered in the other thats why theres a 40k diff in dmg apart from other buffs missing when looking at the screenshot

[slate cargo]

What teammates will the electro waifu use?

[drifting quest]

too early to say

perlica is probably a safe slot, but the other 2 are impossible to call with certainty this early

[slate cargo]

Hmmm ok

[quasi quarry]

I never understood the want for endgame content to provide pulls, for example in Genshin I saw a lot of casuals that got turned off from doing abyss because they didn't want to bother with the fuss of learning the game better in order to get a few more primogems, in this situation interacting with the endgame content becomes an obligation rather than a way to interact with the game's combat mechanics at your own pace

[quartz horizon]

who wants it tho

[limpid shadow]

elitists obviously!

[formal copper]

They should do it like they did umbral, very easy to acquire the pulls, and then the actual difficult tier of cc has character progression and medals as rewards, they can also add profile frames, background or whatever, flair.

[limpid shadow]

they could also go the original method and front load 90% of the CC currency for lower risks

assuming there's a CC shop 🚬

[reef crescent]

does anyone have a good sheet for rossi teams?

[grizzled fractal]

are there any calcs on p4 laevatein ult eff builds? i see a few different things like prydwen saying you can swap either glove or kit, but most people say to swap glove

[outer ermine]

oh ye sin recrisis timer

r u guys gonna do onload after lol

[drifting quest]

prydwen is wrong in this case

i thought they fixed that but guess not

[grizzled fractal]

so only swap glove?

[drifting quest]

Yes

[inland quarry]

Does ake's ult grant one or two stacks of thermite cutter?

[rapid heron]

for tangTang team. need about 26% ult gain for Zhuang

[drifting quest]

Did her numbers drop or what

[rapid heron]

what number?

[drifting quest]

all of them

[rapid heron]

16s cooldown combo

100 Ult

[drifting quest]

since you seem aware of her ult cost, energy gen, cds, etc

are you guessing or do you know

[rapid heron]

i tested with the footage

[drifting quest]

tested how

[rapid heron]

using video program and see how long it take for her combo abr go up before and after Ult?

and you can see how much it fill up the bar when she cast her combo

[drifting quest]

ok but you dont know if she has extra energy gen

on a talent, or potential

or just in her kit

same for her combo

you dont know what cdr is on it

this was the major issue we had with tt and rossi

[rapid heron]

all showcase always P0 character

[drifting quest]

so far

[rapid heron]

what issues you hads with tangtang?

[drifting quest]

her ult cost and hence uge, as well as combo cycling, was off from basically all pre tc rots

[rapid heron]

my prediction how her rotation going to be and stuffs like that was correct

i didnt work on actual rotation for tangtang or rossi

[drifting quest]

how was your prediction right if you didnt work on any

[rapid heron]

only the frame work like tnagtnag want to stack up 2 whirlpool before using BS and want to early dive

[smoky quarry]

I was wondering why I can't clear alluvium in one lavatein ult, only to understand that I forgot to put back essense in her sword

[gritty briar]

Is that for fangyi?

[rapid heron]

yes

[gritty briar]

saw some people say 300 based on footage

[rapid heron]

XD

[rapid heron]

what this person smoking?

[drifting quest]

300 sounds plausible yeah

could be a bit lower

[rapid heron]

her combo

just try with avywenna

and you see how much it go up

avywenna also 100

[drifting quest]

sp use is 6.5

and then she generates extra energy

how much is that extra energy?

[inland quarry]

We would need to know how much energy the combo gives no?

[rapid heron]

or just sue any combo on any character around 90-100

[inland quarry]

It's usually 10 but it's been variable before

[tight haven]

yeah i dont respect this kind of pre-tc

i think its fun to map out but not to be taken seriously

way too many assumptions to be made for anything from this sort of extensive pre-tc soothsaying to come out to anything useful imo

[gritty briar]

It's also not unusual for an arts striker to have something like 200-300 ult energy requirement and then have some sort of mechanic in their skill/talent to give them a bunch of extra energy

maybe she's getting some extra from some mechanic that isn't written out

[tight haven]

also its an argument-generating machine bc it is literally all based off of a large set of assumptions that have to be stipulated before you talk about potential rots

[drifting quest]

Its nothingburger yeah

[rapid heron]

it not really a nothing burger you can get the feel for rotation and see if the team you trying to make gonna have enough SP to go around or not.

for example i tetsed with ardelia and you just dont have any SP for her

[drifting quest]

Ok but what if fangyi has sp refund

[rapid heron]

even if you only use her BS before burst

[drifting quest]

Now you have extra sp but ult gen is skewed

Your entire set of rots dont account for that

[rapid heron]

you can see from the footage non of her skill refund SP

[drifting quest]

We didnt see her talents
It could exist on potentials
It could be a conditional we didnt see

[gritty briar]

Oh neat, her battle skill ult gain seems to scale with amount of sunderblades. I'm watching it fill 1/4 of her ult gauge

[drifting quest]

yeah it does

[gritty briar]

I assume there's some mechanic in there to just give herself more ult gain cause i doubt all this ult gain is global

[drifting quest]

its either part of her skill or a talent

like avy's spear

x energy per sword

[rapid heron]

hmm somehow missed that

[inland quarry]

If it's energy per rank of electrification that could be interesting

[rapid heron]

nah it seem /sword

[lyric latch]

need to see the video again, but I think her BS gives more energy for each sword on the field and her CS more energy per level of Electrification

[inland quarry]

I'm not saying I think it's that. I just think that it would be cool if it were

I don't think we have enough evidence to be sure of how it works

[amber vapor]

Yeah could be something like when you consume electric to apply electrification you refund a portion of SP equivalent to the number of blades summoned

[tight haven]

we also dont know the duration of the sunderblades

[amber vapor]

Fwiw I think the blades are purely just an on-field buff

Didn't seem like they got consumed for an attack like with Avy's kit

[tight haven]

seems like that could be a pretty big part of her rotation's limits

[tight haven]

this is what i noticed too

nor does the text mention consuming blades

[inland quarry]

They definitely aren't consumed, else the max of 9 would be impossible to hit

[amber vapor]

In the stream when they did the preview they talked about how the duration of the blades and # of blades is refreshed to max upon ulting

So I assume the blades do have a decay timer

[tight haven]

number of blades isnt maxed

duration probably is

[lyric latch]

max number of blades is 9

[rapid heron]

where?

[amber vapor]

Lemme fish the timestamp rq

[rapid heron]

ty

[amber vapor]

I'm on mobile and too lazy to go to my PC lmao

Found it: https://www.youtube.com/live/tMFGowIF8eA?t=1812&si=7SuVrGIdzk9BQTCb

30:12 time-stamp

"It immediately replinishes the number of blades to its maximum"

[gritty briar]

He's talking about the battle skill because after ult, the first battle skill gives 3 blades

[amber vapor]

Yeah you right

[rapid heron]

oh yeah hshe didnt use any of her skill and it drop 3 blades

[amber vapor]

Still though

Maybe it's when the ult burst skill procs it refreshes them all

[rapid heron]

if they make her Pot increase duration for sword like avywenna i think that rpetty much P2W

[amber vapor]

It's fast but the burst skill flashed and was used immediately after the ultimate started

So it probably has to do with the enhanced burst skill AoE proccing a refresh on the number of blades

[rapid heron]

wait forgot

the first Battle skill during ult is free

so that prob where 3 sword came from?

it summon at the start of BS

[gritty briar]

yeah it's part of the ult description they gave

[rapid heron]

i hate the translation and their skill description sometime

[gritty briar]

first battle skill is free and gives 3 swords

[amber vapor]

Yeah so the game gives a UI indication

And in this part of the stream during the showcae she's able to do 3 full rotations quickly enough to get 9 blades down

[rapid heron]

you prob want someone else to be control during her Ult

so you can final strike right after her battle skill to trigger combo into BS again

[amber vapor]

Her ult basic attack chain final hit gives a juicy amount of sp too

Looks like 3 basic attack chain rotations gives one bar

Welp I'll table my speculative curiosity though since the patch is only 5 days away

[rapid heron]

i thought 3 days?

[smoky quarry]

I can predict the ult fanservice from this scheenshot

[rapid heron]

nvm 4 for me

[tight haven]

her ult cycle seems really comfy with her as the controlled op

[amber vapor]

Her ult cycle seems completely self sufficient

[tight haven]

plus theres potential for her to have enhanced batk mults

[amber vapor]

And the enhanced attack chain looks hella fast compared to Laev

[rapid heron]

but isnt her batlte skill animation at 9 sword is almost 2s ?

[tight haven]

yeah its just fast enough to consistently chain her batk into combo into bskill

[amber vapor]

Unlike with Laev it seems like it will be next to impossible to miss any part of the chain

[smoky quarry]

Man, I gotta quit this chat when fangyi releases, there will be no break from tc her, and I just don't like this char 😭

[rapid heron]

why?

[drifting quest]

new gear means new tc for old units but i mean yeah

same as any new unit release most tc will be around the new unit

[tight haven]

you can dodge cancel out of it it seems

they start batking very shortly after casting ebs

[rapid heron]

will it cancel the rest of the DMG though

[amber vapor]

Thank God I have like 10k cuprium components and more still being made

[tight haven]

no

watch closely, the ebs continues even after they cancel out of it and start batking

[rapid heron]

how can she chain final strike so quick though?

does her ult change her basic attack?

it sdeem like she does 2 attack and she back to combo again

[amber vapor]

Yeah they backstep to regain control earlier out of the animation and start a new chain

[tight haven]

ebs > dodge > fs > cs > ebs ...

[amber vapor]

Yes her bs and ba are enhanced during ult

[tight haven]

she seems to need near 300 sp when she ults to spam ebs the entire time

[amber vapor]

1/4 the CD too

[tight haven]

which shouldnt be too much of a problem with arclight?

[drifting quest]

arclight

despair

if you run arclight

you delay ult sequencing

[amber vapor]

Arclight is still the only 5* op I don't have

[drifting quest]

or you dont get proper value

[amber vapor]

So akekuri slots in instead

[tight haven]

yeah shes so fucking jank

her ult not regenning sp is so criminal man

[cold bane]

is the alesh arclight combo silly or actually required?

combo spam for sp?

[drifting quest]

alesh ake might be a thing

but i am not an arclight believer

[tight haven]

to be seen but i would bet on one or the other and not both

[amber vapor]

If you look at the marble boss fight they do

They hit a stagger break right before the ult

[drifting quest]

i cant think of any case where arclight is worth it

[amber vapor]

So they start the ult chain with 2 SP already

And use alesh just for his ult

[tight haven]

yeah

lol

[amber vapor]

Definitely not necessary

[smoky quarry]

Her narrative character managed to hit all my anti-preferences to the point where I don't wanna interact with her gameplay-wise

[drifting quest]

its like the most jump through hoops perfect scenario for arclight to perform as well as 1 akekuri ult

[tight haven]

arclight is just such a huge fraud of an op

[compact bridge]

There is a reason they run 2 vanguard in her team

[inland quarry]

Mind explaining? I think arc beats ake, but that doesn't account for the other options for the slot

[tight haven]

it could be fixed with an sp return pot

which would feel awful but i think its what theyll do

[drifting quest]

arclight combo is 3s
procs on elec apply or elec consume
you cannot elec apply > insta consume
you have to wait the 3s after arclight combo skill ends (so more realistically more than 3s) for the next combo to be back up
if you dont do this then you dont generate anywhere near enough sp for arclight to be worth it
if you do this then you gimp your damage and you should just run a better unit anyway

[amber vapor]

They're running like 3 or 4 food buffs in the marble fight I think

[proven mauve]

what're the chances ayvwena is run with fangyi

[amber vapor]

Unless that's new equipment effects

[drifting quest]

avywenna is probably optional

[cold bane]

what if arclight has the set that reduces combo cd

[drifting quest]

might not be optimal

[amber vapor]

I've thought about testing the waters

[drifting quest]

congratulations you now have a 2.55s cd
best case scenario you have a whoppping 0.45 seconds per combo

3 combos to save 1 whole second

[amber vapor]

In my mind Avy would do her big DMG during Fangyi's ult cycle

[inland quarry]

Is there a reason to push for instantly consuming elec? Fangyi combo is from fs after all, it's not hard linked to bs consumption

[amber vapor]

Anyone know if the amount of stagger built from combos and burst skills is consistently the same amount across the board?

I low-key forgot what all the numbers look like in this game lmao

[drifting quest]

proper sequencing, minimising downtime, plus a bunch of other nuanced cases

especially during ult

[proven mauve]

electro suscepability seems nice but not sure how she'd fit in rotation

[inland quarry]

Consumption is limited by bs, so while you might miss 1 arc cs in ult to get fangyi cs on cd, I don't see how waiting is so bad

[drifting quest]

it adds up when you wait each time, and the roi to wait is like

not good lmao

[inland quarry]

Where exactly is the dmg loss from?

[amber vapor]

Avy's combo can be done during a standard Fangyi rotation and then when Fangyi ults and builds up all her blades you can throw down Avy's burst skill too. Probably by the time Fangyi's ult expires you can use Avy's burst to recall all her lances to deal extra DMG at the end

[drifting quest]

ignoring the obvious like fangyi ult expiring before you could get another cast of bskill in or something

time spent not furthering your rotation and hence extending it

will reduce things like dps

[amber vapor]

Literally only half of Fangyi's ult duration is used by the time they fully nuke and end the marble fight in the preview

But that's probably a max pot Fangyi

[tough nest]

perlica pot4 is lvl 2 electrification?

[amber vapor]

I would imagine a 0 pot Fangyi ult duration would be like 15 seconds

[inland quarry]

How is that the case? Bs is dmg and sp limited, so shifting when you press it should lose nothing as long as it's within buffs

[inland quarry]

That just says delaying bs is bad without explaining why

[cold bane]

i wonder if the stagger from arclight cs spam will add up

[heady pine]

if possible you want to be doing fangyi bs as much as possible especially during ult

because during ult it is pretty much a one cycle loop of BS > FS > CS > BS > FS > CS

[cold bane]

the alesh arc team has two combo skills with very short cds; arc has 3 seconds and alesh has 8 seconds i think...

[heady pine]

so each time u press bs youll summon swords right

e.g. if you have 5 sword on the ground and lvl2 electrification then use bs you will do 8 instance of sword damages

each ebs will do x instance of damage
x being amount of blades
also energy recover per instance of damage

So delaying ebs is not great

[amber vapor]

You are potentially losing an entire full cycle of blade procs in the time it takes to wait for the 3s from Arclight combo skill

[drifting quest]

ignoring the fact other units let you get extra bskill
you have anim time to complete a full batk sequence, you dont just magically end bskill on the 3s mark (more than 3s wait needed)
it might not sound like a lot of time but you are encouraged to not anim cancel your seq and finish the batk chai

the delays end up being more than just 3s

[inland quarry]

I already specified that you would not wait during ult

[drifting quest]

3s is just idealised

it can be 4, 5 or 6s delays in practice

[inland quarry]

Arc is primarily better for no ult start rots. If you have ult start, ake's burst is better

[amber vapor]

I mean if you want you can try running Arclight in your Fangyi team

But it definitely feels like she's dead weight compared to other characters that could slot in instead

[inland quarry]

I'm trying to get an explanation for why arc isn't better than ake for a non-ult start

[drifting quest]

if its no ult start arclight is worse because you dont access the minor utility arc ult gives

ake is problematic too here which is why we might simply run no vg

or alesh

[cold bane]

i am not sure if no vg is viable if ZF wants to spam bs

[inland quarry]

I figure the sp from arc is decent outside ult, where you don't care much about waiting 3s and you benefit from frontier+thermite

[cold bane]

(also arc alesh looks like "lets press buttons! all of them")

[inland quarry]

Fangyi does want to bs a lot going into ult because it will buff her ult

[drifting quest]

its pretty cope but like its better than arclight looks

could change when we get live numbers

[amber vapor]

Yeah combo and ult but not his burst skill

Fishing for that sweet bonus SP in burst skill and DMG in ult

[tough nest]

i feel like she's lacking decent partners to begin with considering gilb and ard aren't as good as they could be

[drifting quest]

they will 100% sell a solution yes

[amber vapor]

I can already see the thread of people malding not hitting the bonus fishes

[cold bane]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ArknightsEndfield/comments/1sj2m2g/i_completed_zhuang_fangyi_analysis_shes_basically/

thoughts?

[drifting quest]

infamous name

enough said

[lyric latch]

we dont even have Fangyi's talents

[inland quarry]

Alesh seems quite similar to arc in this situation. Is his talent's rare fin boost additive or multiplicative?

[cold bane]

are Zimens takes weird? i have no idea tbh

[drifting quest]

the attack buff?

its additive with other external attack buffs

[drifting quest]

decent few issues yes

opinions presented as fact

[inland quarry]

The rare fin chance boost

[drifting quest]

generally never any proof or actual tc

etc etc

rare fin is additive

max 40%

[inland quarry]

With int stacking the rare fin chance would be decent

You'd lose frontier buff to do so though

[cold bane]

alright i will wait for Maygi's Fangyi guide then

[inland quarry]

I think alesh can still 2 stack thermite?

[drifting quest]

you can hit like 30%

w/ good set

[inland quarry]

Did we get stats for new gear yet?

[drifting quest]

we know one piece and the set effect of new xir

[inland quarry]

So the reddit post is highly speculative on gear

[drifting quest]

the kit and the set bonus are known

[inland quarry]

How does ardelia look for fangyi? The longer buffs she has should work well, but it does cost sp

[rugged vale]

she cant proc it right

because target needs to have 0 vuln

[inland quarry]

That should happen quite often no?

[drifting quest]

not much incentive to not just run antal instead

[inland quarry]

With fangyi converting inflictions to electrification

[gritty briar]

what does vuln have to do with fangyi?

[noble tapir]

I have incentive to not run antal

I don't have a second Stanza to give him

[inland quarry]

I was thinking of ardelia alongside antal for a hypercarry

[rugged vale]

I meant thunder vuln

forgot the name

[drifting quest]

stanza on a fangyi team

it might be cinema

[inland quarry]

I did consider xaihi for stanza lol

[noble tapir]

oh wait he's electric

right

WOOPS

[lucid flower]

Who is running next?

[inland quarry]

Thinking about it, is it worth making rank 2 electrification?

Each rank is +1 blade, at the cost of ~100 sp for perlica to stack infliction

You could just cast fangyi bs by itself and get +1 blade for ~100 sp no?

Free inflictions from ults and what not are good ofc

[cold bane]

stacking infliction also triggers arts burst for more damage and activates detonation unit

[inland quarry]

Detonation unit should be fine since you are still applying inflictions to trigger fangyi cs

So it'll be arts burst dmg vs fangyi bs dmg

[sterile moat]

finally got the 6k atk

[inland quarry]

Woooo I finally fully artificed my lr team

A single catalyst spare

Time for my work to be obliterated by new gear

[sterile moat]

dont jinx it

[amber vapor]

I spent ~2000 stamina yesterday getting my Fangyi perfect essence

Took around the same for when I farmed for Laev

[inland quarry]

My xaihi is a bit sad at 512 int fully artificed

[dusk isle]

What weapon are you running

[inland quarry]

Deto

[dusk isle]

That seems a bit low, xira 3p xaihi ?

[inland quarry]

Yeah bc perlica

[dusk isle]

Oh okay

[inland quarry]

It's optimal afaik, just sad

R4 deto as well

[dusk isle]

I too remember xira 3p better than intmaxxing when no other xira slave

[inland quarry]

I have perlica artificed but I'm not using artificed gloves due to no p2 perlica

Should get that from the event at least

[daring dove]

6060 is max possible with that setup I think

[sterile moat]

6k is max

6060 is only for double crit

radar doesnt have int secondary

[daring dove]

Ah fair

[inland quarry]

Oh

I already have fangyi sig essence

Because it's the same as a 4* lol

[daring dove]

Why where you collecting 4 star weapon essences

[inland quarry]

I just don't trash them if I get one

Must have gotten it while farming tt bp ess

I will probably farm all weapon essences after I get all chars to 80 and rank 9 skills

If only because the cost is just engraving tickets that have no other use

[formal copper]

Funny you say that cause Zhuang's essence perfectly matches a 4* weapon's essence.

That's why I already have it

Like the above poster I saw it and didn't trash it

Guess I made a repeat point lol

If you want a reason, completionist wherever realistically possible.

[normal tangle]

lowk waste of time

i keep it if it comes pre-upgraded

like if i see a 1/1/1 essence for a weapon i don't care about i trash it

if it's 1/4/2 or something i'll keep

[neat snow]

I just did runs for the essence. It took 3

[dry kindle]

Waiting to see how many people that pre etched zfy ess get fucked by gacha

[limpid wyvern]

PSA:

finally i dont have to take the boat anymore 😄

[honest hill]

oh I actually never knew that's smart

I always took the boat

[limpid wyvern]

i was lazy this time and thought i can cheese it, turns out: i can

[dry kindle]

What's the extended damage numbers on laev and lr with/without tt again

[drifting quest]

From what I've seen LP's calcs are wrong for Rossi for now

[limpid wyvern]

r9 stanza?

i just have 2 shesh

[dry kindle]

Bleh laev is still on 1 ebs rot or some shit

[inland quarry]

It seems like their dmg is correct, but the time and thus dps is off

[night jackal]

Her weapon is will, attack, suppression right?

[keen river]

How are we filling about Fangyi? All in on ult gain?

[dry kindle]

Why the fuck even

[keen river]

React to this reply

[drifting quest]

the ragebait is strong with this one

[dry kindle]

Fund my zfy sig

[drifting quest]

fund my zfy

[normal tangle]

why are we filling fangyi

[dry kindle]

Fund my lizhiyan

[drifting quest]

fund my mifu

[normal tangle]

you have 2 patches to save for the 5 star named li zhiyan

it's ok you'll get her

[dry kindle]

Fund my feranmut proxy

[drifting quest]

fund my camille

[dry kindle]

Oh right

Not faustTM

TT still does numbers with obj right

Right

[drifting quest]

clueless

[dry kindle]

I don't wanna use p0 bp waaah

[bronze plume]

just get her wep

[dry kindle]

Yeah

Fund me

Just need 30k arsenal

Give or take 10k

[bronze plume]

i dont think that how math works

[dry kindle]

Already know I'm gonna pity zfy sig

And then I die from cringe because mifu is zfy core support and I can't afford anything

[keen river]

Oh, so this is where beef hides

[bronze plume]

define hides

also

who tf r u

[ashen cloak]

hello, with the current announcement of fangyi, is rossi worth pulling if someone has extra pulls? or is it better to save for future characters that were shown in the stream?

[drifting quest]

if you like her > yes
if you dont like her > no

[bronze plume]

if you like rossi yes pull her

[drifting quest]

if you would rather have a revealed unit > save

[bronze plume]

you cant base your pulls on characters we know nothing about and nobody can give you info on if you should save for them gameplay wise

the only way they can tell you to save is there own bias on the characters looks alone

[exotic crypt]

just steal your parents' credit card

[bronze plume]

if you like the look of one of the teased characters sure save but you are banking on liking their kit

[dry kindle]

She does damage

Yw

[formal copper]

Be EU/NA and let Asia guys theorycraft whole character in the 12 hours they are ahead.

[bronze plume]

12 hours aint enuf time for characters like rossi tho

[drifting quest]

rossi tc isnt even done at the end of her banner

12 hours is nothing

[dry kindle]

Endaxis still doesn't have zfy guess numbers gg

[normal tangle]

maybe the real rossi tc was the friends we made along the way

[exotic crypt]

rossi went from trying to find team comps that have synergy to "lol just cram all the op units in a team for arts spam"

[drifting quest]

most guesses will be wrong

[drifting quest]

tweaking out

[dry kindle]

Close enoughTM

[normal tangle]

why the fuck is rossi there 😭

[formal copper]

Yeah it was a bit of a joke but there's a bit of truth to it, at least for the skill multipliers it is a very real knowledge advantage.

[drifting quest]

everyone putting arclight on the team

[normal tangle]

everything else makes sense

WHAT is rossi doing

[drifting quest]

wheelchair #5? 6?

[dry kindle]

300 energy ult 15 energy combo like 80 on 9 sword bskill

[formal copper]

Like EU/NA got to find our Rossi multipliers are dumb

[drifting quest]

laev tt lr yvonne avywenna monophys

[dry kindle]

17s cd m3 I think

[drifting quest]

so wheelchair number 7

[dry kindle]

Why is energy per sword waaaah

At least it counts same skill swords

Actual die from cringe if it didn't

[knotty yoke]

At first I was sad Asia is ahead of us US second class citizens but now I realize it’s a good thing cuz I can know best gear and teammates and all that the moment I get the char

[bronze plume]

again not the case for characters like rossi

[formal copper]

Skill multipliers, weapon multipliers, and some early analysis to help you decide what to pull. Disadvantage, you have to wait for the last 12h of the previous character banner.

[bronze plume]

thats basically it yeah

downside waiting
upside you know the numbers to decide

however asia people can also just wait to decide to pull

[exotic crypt]

you know that is not the case with the chinese whales

[bronze plume]

shock whales are just different cases

[dry kindle]

Insert 8000 pulls for yvonne here

[bronze plume]

thank god there is new areas coming out for this bs

[dry kindle]

Can't relate

Still haven't opened a single chest

[potent hornet]

prove it

show that map count

[dry kindle]

🗿

Unironically done like 30 total

[bronze plume]

i think i did all of the tt areas chests day 1

[dry kindle]

Got 22k oroberyl in chests

Woooooooooo

[bronze plume]

is that assuming they are all the worst chest or

[dry kindle]

Omw to use selector on pog just for slide

[dry kindle]

All chests total

[bronze plume]

oh people have nerded out for the exact chest that each one is?

[dry kindle]

Its just on map

[formal copper]

Interactive maps have values of chests on them

[bronze plume]

who tf called them gorgeous lmao

[dry kindle]

Don't question it

[formal copper]

Well, no matter how puny the reward from something is, I just look at the price of a 10-pull and remember that it's better collecting the freebies than paying that much.

[potent hornet]

yea i opened and spent all those

[dry kindle]

Where's the arsenal pull chests smh

[potent hornet]

They have the chance to do the funniest thing ever

only arsenals in the new CC content

no orbs

[dry kindle]

[exotic crypt]

10 pull costs are actually on the cheaper end in this game

[dry kindle]

Before or after weapons 🗿

[exotic crypt]

Not including weapons

[formal copper]

Signature is the real P1

[potent hornet]

i'm thinking this is gonna be my best chance to try and get Brigands to p5 for TangTang

we will have that weapon banner for quite a while

[formal copper]

Just have to accept that a certain % of your characters are going to be running copium. And cursed with always reconsidering if you made the right choice in deciding which ones are coping.

[bronze plume]

cant lie

i think i have all sigs

on all limited

just

[potent hornet]

same

[bronze plume]

get lucky

[potent hornet]

well

except rossi now

not sure if i will pull for hers tho

[warped sorrel]

How is the speculation
Is Ake better than Arclight for chinese leader

[bronze plume]

i have not gone above 40 for a weapon

[bronze plume]

shes not out yet ffs

[warped sorrel]

I know

[potent hornet]

i think i'm at 50 for my longest without the sig

[formal copper]

I hard pitied my 2 sigs so far, and fast approaching the point where I'll have to decide who gets shafted.

[potent hornet]

for the first one anyway

i'm at 30 for rossi atm

[bronze plume]

give us more then 5 team slots thx

[potent hornet]

that would be nice

[formal copper]

Equipment presets first

[potent hornet]

ehh

[bronze plume]

both at the same time

[potent hornet]

haven't found that much of a need for presets yet

[drifting quest]

monophys would be a lot less awkward to test for with gear preset

[bronze plume]

apparently ive never done the weapon tuning thing

gear presets would help tf outta tcers

[drifting quest]

there's a lot of qol id want from tc perspective

[formal copper]

It's way easier to change an operator in a team than to change 4 gear pieces.

[dry kindle]

[drifting quest]

does not need to be a competition

simply give us both

[bronze plume]

just give us both it aint that hard lol

[bronze plume]

ive just never needed to use sanity on it until now

stage 5 of the event is just bowling but with a rhino onto worms

well slugs not worms

[main nova]

gilberta, trust

[normal tangle]

i'm shocked we haven't gotten a progression checklist yet, like to tell us what materials we need to level someone up

[potent hornet]

i noticed ZZZ had that, it is kinda nice

[normal tangle]

many games do, yeah

[dry kindle]

Theres one in help somewhere

Just use endfield tools ascension planner and ignore the gold mats

[dry kindle]

Mfw try to play project cedar and get gatekept by login

[cinder oxide]

So is it true that antal would be best for ZFY

Cos someone calc you get max pillars in 3 bs vs 4 bs without him

[dry kindle]

He doesn't do anything for pillar gen specifically

[normal tangle]

+1 infliction

if you have no other sp-less elec infliction, he helps

[dry kindle]

Wulfgard 🗣️

[normal tangle]

?

i mean, i guess? not really though

still 2 bs for the elec infliction to transfer instead of fy cs

i guess it depends on cs cooldown and how the rotation plays out

[cold bane]

i guess antal is good vs bosses, more news at 11?

[bronze plume]

more news at when we can actually test it

[proud vector]

Huh

120 to garentee gilb

[dry kindle]

I'm just coping sword lifetime isn't cooked

Except we still want lv4 elecs in ult

[proud vector]

Sorry man it’s probably cooked

If they are giving a free BS in ult with minimum 3 swords

[dry kindle]

I blame shuo

[proud vector]

but since her ult gives big value and she makes electrifications

Mayyyybe Arclight battery has potential

[limpid shadow]

simply wait for exclusive omega shiny 6* electric infliction shill unit in the far future

[proud vector]

Who needs big electrification if can just ult fast (massive cope, but it’s FUNNY)

[manic mountain]

Ember mains, is Exemplar worth getting if you already have Sunder Prince? I currently have 1600 arsenal tickets and I would need to buy one of the Arsenal bundles for $14.99 to be able to buy Exemplar.

I've only ever spent for the Customized protocol pass & the $0.99 Endmin weapon since the game came out.

[icy remnant]

Selector banner

[glass wind]

They havent updated the Pin for Rossi

[dry kindle]

Shit banner

[icy remnant]

I disagree

[glass wind]

Is P1 Gilberta worth?

[icy remnant]

It’s only bad if you’re only aiming for 1/4

If you want both limiteds this maths out to be better than normal banner

Because if you hit either you can pity the other

[dry kindle]

If

We love gambling

[icy remnant]

It’s still a 120 pity at the end of the day

And if you want 2 units that’s also a 50% rate up

[dry kindle]

You don't even get arsenal because it's a selector

[icy remnant]

You do get it

What

[dry kindle]

Tf

[icy remnant]

We got arsenals from our previous selectors

What are you on

[dry kindle]

[bronze plume]

icl only gilberta is worth it there since ardelia was free

[icy remnant]

The perma units will always be “not worth it”

[bronze plume]

obviously

[icy remnant]

But if this is how they choose to rerun it’ll always be 2 limited 2 perms

So 50% rate up

For limited

[bronze plume]

if they keep doing joint op banners from og ak itll just get better as it goes on

[icy remnant]

My guess is it will never be 4 limiteds

Because that would mean it’s better to skip first banner

[bronze plume]

which is technically worse then what we have for limited banners

[icy remnant]

Forever

[bronze plume]

but at least they are rerunning not every year

[icy remnant]

It needs to be worse

[bronze plume]

i mean no it doesnt

[icy remnant]

They will obviously want to incentivise people to roll on the first banner and not wait for rerun for better deal

So at best they can try to make it similar but not better

So default is worse

[digital sinew]

theres nothing at 80 right?

[icy remnant]

80 is just your normal soft pity

65-80

[bronze plume]

its the same as limited banner but you can only get who is on the banner shown as the 6 stars and the 120 pity one time and every 240 you pick who out of the 4 you get

[limpid shadow]

its basically a better Joint Operation banner

[lime bear]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Endfield/s/fTjLyaF72G wait wtf isn't this an actually good banner

you can just select at 120

[digital sinew]

o thats. good then, for ppl who want any characters from it

[icy remnant]

It’s a pretty good banner yes

[bronze plume]

and for some reason the 60 pull thing gives standard pulls

[limpid shadow]

the bait compensation

[icy remnant]

Because there’s no next banner to give the multi to

[lime bear]

omg guys standard hh income!!

[limpid shadow]

don't aim for that, but its a nice bonus should you decide to throw pulls at it

type shi

[lime bear]

for the 50/50 is it the standard + those 4 rateups or what