theorycrafting

[icy remnant]

The stockade existed way longer than WuLing city

TangTang should sue them for building on their land without proper rights and permits

The stockade is the entire area of the next 1.1 map we’re getting

[smoky quarry]

chinese swamp city

[dawn patrol]

man what

[normal tangle]

?

[dawn patrol]

where the hell is this chest

[gritty briar]

butterfly

[smoky quarry]

It's invisible

[shell crane]

does akekuri trigger both stacks of thermite cutter's ability on a single combo? the combo is a 2 seq and the skill description seems to say both sequences recovers sp, thermite cutter also doesn't have a cd

[smoky quarry]

I'm more interested if ult triggers two stacks of it at one time, since it recovers SP and applies link at the same time

[shell crane]

depends what youre going for ig, dont really like having to build ult before fights lol

[summer flower]

Well, In future you'll just get full ult

At least for re crisis etc

[shell crane]

i trimmed my recrisis without ulting 🤷

with ember too

game isnt really hard enough to need to care about meta

but still curious about about what synergies are possible

[icy remnant]

Yes

[shell crane]

thanks

[gaunt mason]

turns out the formatting did get fucked up when i pasted everything and rapid pots got shifted one sheet p5 sundering is roughly equal to p2 rapid if you ult with stagger + link + buffs active
i haven't accounted for p1 chen but it should still be p5 sundering = p2 rapid if we assume the enemy is below 50% hp at the middle-end of the second cycle
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VfHMKZVE-z63O4RdGRMidqptlwAdYwtHJ4dJTWiO7sw/edit?usp=sharing

[drifting quest]

p2 rascent is the can go either way point

for most calcs

p3+ is where rascent tends to pull ahead in most cases

[oblique frost]

It’s a funny damage formula in this game

But Thermite seems overrated, except for beginners

As buff not high enough

[drifting quest]

i am curious on what logic that is

and what alternatives you think are better

[tight haven]

you can say that the buff is "not high enough" but this presupposes that they will make more accessible atk% buffs soon to a degree that thermite becomes a negligible upgrade

which nobody here knows and which is silly to take as a given

[oak vigil]

The best attack buff for sp regen units in the current game which is a better option than OBJ Edge and even better than Pogranichnik's signature weapon if going purely for damage buffing

[drifting quest]

it's a deceptively small buff

in that it looks smaller than the actual impact is

this is before considering opportunity cost, dilution, etc.

[oblique frost]

It’s relative to multipliers in the hundreds%

[tight haven]

yeah the axes of buff potency and accessibility privileges thermite here. there is no suitable alternative buffing sword

[oblique frost]

below that everything multiplies

[tight haven]

the closest that comes is never rest which is only comparable, and it's much more expensive to p5 (not to mention locked to pog)

i get what you're saying but it's not really anything interesting to talk about. it doesn't seem good, sure, but it is mathematically the best thing we have right now so saying it's "overrated" when we also don't have reasonable reason to believe it will be powercrept soon just serves to muddle any helpful conversation about its worth

[drifting quest]

^^
overrated implies there is something underrated as well

and that assessments are unfairly biased to prop up thermite while pushing down the alternatives

[oak vigil]

Eeeeeegh, I mean, again OBJ Edge as an example if going by such hypothetical of 'something must be underrated as well'. It's ight, but I won't consider it 'underrated'. Thermite Cutter is a direct upgrade for it due to just having better damage buff bracket

[tight haven]

you could talk about it being overrated in comparison to never rest but the fact of the matter is that you can get thermite for free and it's mathematically superior at equal potential levels to NR, which is a premium permanent weapon which could cost you up to 16k arsenal tickets just to have p0

i dont even really count obj in the conversation because, again, thermite is free

and it's strictly superior

[drifting quest]

obj is also like

[honest hill]

Oh okay ty

[drifting quest]

strictly worse p5 vs p0 outside of giga edge cases

[oak vigil]

Also even then obj is limited to just fire/electric teams

due to fire/electric buff damage only from it, leaving nature/ice damage element non-buffed

[smoky quarry]

I wonder what devs were even cooking with Z7 team

How come that members of specops team can't work in one team

[oak vigil]

I mean they technically can work in the same team.
Albeit in a really scuffed team of Fluorite, Antal, Akekuri and Estella

[frozen tide]

Obj>thermite

🔥

[oak vigil]

Antal buffs only himself and Akekuri, Fluorite is doing... damage I guess in this setup. Estella can somewhat trigger solidification for herself at least

[tight haven]

truke

[oak vigil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461541760801968128/1480189874458984612/ARLiyPINIW5DihW.mov?ex=69aec5be&is=69ad743e&hm=b4c135e7409d876606142b42683b54421dc62870c5b59d9b5291a25d7d6dc2a0&

[timber harness]

Are chen dupes goated or would you guys say they don't matter much

She's avoided me forever and now shes popping left and right on banner pulls

[frozen tide]

Thermite could very well get overtaken by alternatives in the future

But rn its

Just kinda always amazing compared to alternatives

[frozen tide]

A weap with second line arts int/ult charge and basically same third line can release

[smoky quarry]

Thermite will be solid even in the future just because it's build to be versatile

Just like detonation unit, stanza or oblivion

[tight haven]

thermite with ult gain instead would be fucking unbelievable

[timber harness]

https://tenor.com/view/гатс-берсерк-gif-27162453

[frozen tide]

Its mostly just p5

Reduces cs cd by 3 secs

[smoky quarry]

Fortmaker hybrid?

[timber harness]

Only a couple more copies and im squared away

Thats what i figured anyway

[tight haven]

basically

[timber harness]

P3 looked interesting though

[smoky quarry]

You should have all your 5stars at p5 anyway

[tight haven]

ult eff L is a good ass 2nd stat line

[smoky quarry]

That's f2p minimum

[tight haven]

on any support weap

[timber harness]

She isnt a insignificant amount of contribution to team damage from what i understand

[tight haven]

if we got gun stanza with ult eff L it would pop thr fuck off

[frozen tide]

P3 is nice but chen isn't a hypercarry or anything so its not as noticeable like lr p3

[smoky quarry]

Tied with art intensity in some cases ig

[tight haven]

unironic wulfgard upscale

[smoky quarry]

Chen has a good damage share in the team though

[frozen tide]

6 star stanza with ult eff second line 2 effect third line

[timber harness]

Suck me rng makes that not probable this early on unless you impulse pull

[smoky quarry]

I will pull standard banner until I get selector

Cause why not

[frozen tide]

Ok so a char that has 80 percent dmg share and 30 percent dmg share if they have the same multiplier pot which will it be more noticeable on

[smoky quarry]

Endmin has 40% damage share in a team with chen btw

[frozen tide]

[timber harness]

I was gonna do that but i think im like the opposite of ai kayano for hypergryph cause they keep treating me well and shit

[smoky quarry]

they're somewhat on par

[timber harness]

Idek how i have all the standard units the luck is insane

[smoky quarry]

Coolang gel in battlepass would be actually goated?

Whatcha think about it

[frozen tide]

Even if relative values per effect stays comparable there can always be weaps with better aligned first/second line and third lines with more effects or better aligned effects

[timber harness]

Tf is a damage share

[frozen tide]

The general trend is the more effects third line has the more cumulative number potential it has

[smoky quarry]

Percentage damage impact on the global team dps

Means how impactful someone's raw damage in the rotation

[timber harness]

Oh i didnt read this i apologize

[frozen tide]

All good

[smoky quarry]

For example, pogr share is less than 10%, it means that his own damage is absolutely unimportant.

So, you throw his self-buff signature in the trashcan, and get him support weapon and gear

[timber harness]

I was rage baited by fox saying i should have p5 chen already

[smoky quarry]

Also there isn't much point in leveling him up either

[gritty briar]

okay after hours of trying i got rhodagn trim with 4 star only foodless

but now i'm watching the footage and i see i could've saved 3 seconds

time to do it again...

[frozen tide]

P5 all 5 stars is an unrealistic norm for f2p

Even if they use all their pulls

And if they saved some pulls then yeah

[smoky quarry]

Idk man, I got all 5⭐P5 like a month ago

except for avywenna

I got her a week ago

[outer ermine]

whel

[smoky quarry]

by coincidence, the operator I was maining

Her P5 is kinda important

[smoky quarry]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Stealing this one

[dawn shard]

f2p, i think xahi and alesh are the only two i dont have p5

[frozen tide]

Theres people who have p5 all 5 stars as f2p yes

My claim was that its not fair to consider that as a given

[smoky quarry]

iana kinda does

Anyone else waiting for her?

[frozen tide]

Most f2ps probably have majority p5 5 stars

All is a diff story tho

[gritty briar]

I'm not f2p and i still don't have all p5 5 stars

[smoky quarry]

You win some, you lose some

You probably won a lot

[gritty briar]

i did

[smoky quarry]

biggest potential on a legendary?

[gritty briar]

my 6 star luck was insane

[smoky quarry]

I always wondered if whales have secretly increased odds to get something

That kind of information is a secret though

[frozen tide]

Its easier to get lucky when you take more chances

A person who buys 50 lottery tickets is more likely to win it than someone who buys one

[gritty briar]

I didn't really whale but i did buy monthly 5 extra times and used all of the origeo

[smoky quarry]

If only I got as much legendaries as I got blown up on landmines

[gritty briar]

this game is now holding me hostage for half a year cause that's how many monthlies i have

[smoky quarry]

You can buy multiple monthlies at one time?

[gritty briar]

up to 180 days

You get the origeo up front so someone might buy a bunch at once if they want it for something urgent

[warped sorrel]

im

but if her kit suck or need previous or future operator banner to work with

i wont pull her

[smoky quarry]

Their look feels somewhat similar

[midnight stirrup]

Shes rly growing on me. I might prefer her design over zhuang

[smoky quarry]

I really don't like zhuang attitude

[midnight stirrup]

She has the most boring personality ever

I dont get why they forced her date

Felt so random

[smoky quarry]

I like something about non-chalant look of lizhiang and lycia

[smoky quarry]

It felt forced cause that's our first impression of her, and she's already trying to lasso endmin

And I prefer perlica on that matter

[neat snow]

I actually started out really lucky but after 1200 pulls or so my luck had flattened to expected rates and has remained there since.

[outer ermine]

i won almost all of my 50/50s so i only have those fuckin purple shits

[earnest patio]

Do you guys have info from the beta test

Any of the new coming characters worth pulling???

[glass birch]

Do you play shatter? Or nah? Actual question.

[midnight stirrup]

Yeah we shall see if theres some past shenanigans is going on

[glass birch]

Beta only had 1.0 chars

[warped sorrel]

like endmin, chen, alesh, estella?

it is fun

[glass birch]

Yeah

[smoky quarry]

I won't change my opinion

[glass birch]

👀 Doesnt seem very combat orientated.

But marry the preg-birb. You do you.

[smoky quarry]

it's probably worst way you could arrange four letters of english alphabet

[glass birch]

which 4? birb?

[smoky quarry]

that's three

[glass birch]

Oh.

You dont see it?

My bad.

[midnight stirrup]

I dont like any of them with endministrator ngl

Its so in your face with all of them, that I cant take any serious

[smoky quarry]

[tight haven]

ardashir fr a hoe 😭🙏

[modest thorn]

whats do we think the best team with tangtang will be?

yvonne, lr, tangtang, gilb?

[midnight stirrup]

Ardashir gets a pass

I love Ardashir

[daring dove]

I think at whale invest maybe, a F2P invest you're likely dropping Yyonne or LR for Xiahi.

[midnight stirrup]

LR is already bad for Yvonne

[modest thorn]

which dupes do we need?

[midnight stirrup]

The first best new thing is gonna take her spot

[drifting quest]

lr yvonne is purely speedrunner derangement AND p5p5 privelege

[tight haven]

i think perlica > gilb is just correct

most of the time

maybe

i have to think about it a bit more after reading maygi's thing

on yvonne

also it doesnt rly matter because any current tc is going to change after release

[modest thorn]

i just need to build more units cause i have 1k sanity expiring in a few hours

[drifting quest]

perlica is a like

i dont want to say coping mechanism

but like

adding tt makes it hard to add gilb too

[midnight stirrup]

Farm up on t bucks if ur gonna do anything

You get exp and weapon exp from the ship even tho not alot

And no point in essences if u got nothing to build

[daring dove]

Just convert it into T-creds, or purple skill nodes. You always need tons of both.

[modest thorn]

gotcha i was just hoping i could farm smth else cause i already have a ton of both

[quartz horizon]

as rossi will be the first hybrid char i'm assuning she wont have any great teammates this early on... any guess as to what her best team can look on release? what have players cooked up

[smoky quarry]

Endmin - Rossi - Wulfgard - Flex

Something like that

[quartz horizon]

thats pretty simple

[terse valley]

for the flex slot we might want a different infliction to trigger combustion from wulfgard combo

the best slot for this flex is gilberta which also has free vul stack from her combo

but depending on rossi numbers we might or might not need combustion in the first place

also rossi might or might not be an ult oriented dps in which case we might switch out endmin for someone like ardelia/perlica

[smoky quarry]

Who applies crush if not endmin

[terse valley]

so who knows what her team could be, possible comps i can think of are rossi gilberta and either
wulfgard endmin
wulfgard pogranichnik
wulfgard ardelia
perlica ardelia

[terse valley]

if all endmin does is consuming vul stacks we might or might not need them

again depending on rossi numbers

we just dont know rossi's damage distribution

is her ult big enough of a nuke that it's justified not consuming vul stacks just to buff rossi

[drifting quest]

all we have to go off is the video saying most of her damage is in ult

[terse valley]

all of this possible team comps is the main reason why I'm pulling her btw making a team out of her sounds hella fun

once we have the numbers there might be a definitive best team for her with the highest damage

[vernal pendant]

in my avywenna team i usually stack many electro infliction before turning them to electrification using arclight ultimate, however i just noticed that if i use perlica combo skill the electrification duration is reset, does this mean my level 4 electrifiction is overriden by perlica level 1 electrification or only the duration refreshes ?

[vapid flame]

the former

[vernal pendant]

so only refreshes duration but keep the level at 4 ?

[lofty frigate]

isn't arclight's electrification also level 1?

[vapid flame]

no, it's overriden

[vernal pendant]

oh 🙁

[dusk isle]

Afaik Arclight ult forces electrification equal to the amount of inflictions she consumes

[vernal pendant]

that is actually so dumb, i cant avoid perlica combo skill in mobile, why would they design it like this

[smoky quarry]

it doesn't forces it, it straight up converts stacks to electrif

[lofty frigate]

fr? i can't see it anywhere in her skills

[vapid flame]

depending on what you're doing, putting perlica last in your team might help

[smoky quarry]

Her ult does 2 strikes

First, apply electro stack
Second, convert stack into electrif

[vapid flame]

but yeah I've definitely messed up my arclight ult many times lol

[lofty frigate]

yeah but it just says forcibly applies electrification

nothing about it being based on stacks

[vernal pendant]

oh wait it depends on team order? txn so much

i diddnt know

[dusk isle]

Non infliction + infliction reactions are called forced reactions

[smoky quarry]

This wording is misleading

[vernal pendant]

this is so dumb, they should change it so that perlica combo skill electrification does not override level 4 electrification 🙁

[vapid flame]

yeah if they trigger at same time, team order determines which is first. so on fs I do avy cs and resist the urge to smash perlica cs

[smoky quarry]

I just prefer to not use arclight at all

[dusk isle]

Doesnt change the fact that it is a forced reaction

[normal tangle]

it doesn't

it just refreshes duration i'm pretty sure

[lofty frigate]

i'm confused now

arclight's forced elecrtification should be level 1 right?

[normal tangle]

it scales with the stacks you consume

[smoky quarry]

It depends on the amount of stacks

[normal tangle]

4 inflictions = level 4

etc

[smoky quarry]

this is why "forced" is misleading here

[lofty frigate]

translation issue?

[smoky quarry]

it should be "converted" instead

[vernal pendant]

i know that akekuri is an option but i need electro infliction for my avywenna and i need to remove these infliction for ardelia (she is my only viable healer in endgame), my rotation is stack 3 or more electro infliction > arclight ult > final strike > ardelia combo skill > ardelia skill > avywenna skill

[dusk isle]

Alesh and arclight force equivalent to the amount of stacks consumed

[lofty frigate]

ohh

[smoky quarry]

Don't you have perlica for that kind of stuff?

[lofty frigate]

so it's just translated wrong?

[smoky quarry]

More like bad terminology

[normal tangle]

no it's like that in cn too i think

[smoky quarry]

overall translation quality is high

[normal tangle]

just a reading issue

[normal tangle]

[dusk isle]

I wouldnt say translated wrong since the game consistently uses the word force for every skill that applies reactions directly

[normal tangle]

if i see the endmin say sitch one more time i'm uninstalling

[lofty frigate]

[vernal pendant]

her electrification duration is too short, in endgame mode where i need to dodge a lot, i often fail to trigger avy combo skill before the electrification expires, so i prefer electro infliction

[smoky quarry]

I hear originium singing

[vernal pendant]

by endgame mode i mean umbral monument agony mode

[normal tangle]

"what's the deets on the sitch?" oh my god shut your mouth

who do they think they are 😭

[smoky quarry]

I don't understand you. Perlica applies EI by her battle skill

[vernal pendant]

yes she apply infliction on her battle skill

[vapid flame]

plato wants to clear stacks to use ard cs

[smoky quarry]

Oh, it's all just for ardelia to work? Lol

[vernal pendant]

so it override or not now im confused 😭

[vernal pendant]

she is my only viable healer right now, my team dies without her in agony mode

[vapid flame]

every video/reddit says override but I'm feeling gaslit now

[smoky quarry]

I run

Avywenna - Perlica - Akekuri - Gilberta

The game loop is spamming perlica battle skill until enemies die of cancer

[gaunt mason]

it should be override yeah

only corrosion refreshes

[vernal pendant]

well rip, looks like i have to avoid perlica combo skill once i get level 4 electrification 🙁

[smoky quarry]

The only place where I needed healer is poisonous myst, but this agony stage is just bullshit

You either clear it in 2 minutes or die from cancer

[vernal pendant]

i tried gilberta in agony mode, my team dies because she stop healing when there is only 1 enemy left
so i switched to ardelia

[smoky quarry]

Humble shift button

[vernal pendant]

ardelia solves that issue btw, got two trimmed medal because of her

[gaunt mason]

just avoid it until after you throw your lances out ig

but for umbral you really could just run around and press skills

they'll die eventually

[vapid flame]

minmaxing arclight elec is not so bad since you're usually dumping in the stagger window...for umbral I used ard and didn't really think about arclight cuz she just died by the time wurms popped up

[vernal pendant]

the problem is that i need to use ardelia combo skill after getting level 4 electrification, so i need to time it to avoid perlica combo skill

[gaunt mason]

yeah ard just isn't that great for elec

if you're doing umbral you don't really need to rotate anyway

[vernal pendant]

huh i got two trimmed medal using elec + ardelia teaam (except the stage with 2 scorpion running around, i use physical team for that)
not good but endgame viable at least

[gaunt mason]

sure she's usable but not optimal when antal/gilb exist

[dusk isle]

Ardelia is ok for avy but not as good as gilb ofc
Since the game is easy you dont feel much of a difference in difficulty whether you run ard or gilb

[gaunt mason]

you can solo umbral/trims too

[vernal pendant]

i know but gilberta does not heal when there is only one enemy left, my team keep dying with her because the elite enemy keep surviving while the trash mobs dies

[smoky quarry]

bee consumed

[gaunt mason]

run around and press skills you'll be fine 😔

[vernal pendant]

tried, ran out of time

[gaunt mason]

or build a ton of ult charge on ard and use her ult for healing idk

what

[vernal pendant]

avy spear expire if i just run around

no dmg

i guess i should just build last rite and ditch elec team

[dusk isle]

Dont bother if you dont have lr sig

[vernal pendant]

oh

[smoky quarry]

What's the damage loss?

[gaunt mason]

bro idk look up a clear on youtube

elec should clear umbral easily

[vernal pendant]

all of the video i watched is just one shotting the boss in one rotation, literally a damage check, these team wont survive the next rotation

[proud vector]

2x%?

[dusk isle]

I dont really know the dmg loss but you either run sundered prince as a stat-stick or dark lung, for both cases i dont think switching to lr from a built avy team would be worth it

[proud vector]

Depends on what replacement you compare to

[smoky quarry]

so it's like running umbral torch on lavatein

[vapid flame]

how levelled is your avy? I did avy, perlica, arc, ard for umbral

[smoky quarry]

why not?

[vernal pendant]

level 90 avy (and level 90 weapon), the rest of the team is level 80

[vernal pendant]

is 4560 arsenal ticket enough

[proud vector]

I guess the main issue is sundered prince isn’t something everyone has

And dark lung is much more than a 2x% loss if you cannot take advantage of the additional ultimate energy

This forces rather nonstandard rotations on you that are a bit icky

[dusk isle]

No, just save your tickets

[vapid flame]

yeah my ard was like 60, iirc I popped ard ult pretty early to stay topped up

[vernal pendant]

how many i need for guarantee

[dusk isle]

Was it 8 pulls ? so smth like 16k ish

[vernal pendant]

16k...

welp

[vernal pendant]

is there really no 5 star alternative for last rite ? (including pot 5?)

[proud vector]

Dark lung, but as per previous statement…

[dusk isle]

Dark lung is a bad and cope alternative, just play with your avy and youll do better

[vernal pendant]

if it is bad then it is not an alternative i guess

[proud vector]

Ergh

Used right it works, it’s just icky…

[smoky quarry]

It's the only one that somewhat works on LR

[vernal pendant]

looks like she gonna sit there until i get her sig

[smoky quarry]

devs just forgot to make budget signature for LR

[vernal pendant]

yeah many character have budget alternative, why not lr

[proud vector]

Khrav is just a tad too good basically

[dusk isle]

Bcs lr is the greediest bitch on talos II

[gritty olive]

i built LR with darklung max

[dusk isle]

Im sorry to hear that

[proud vector]

[gritty olive]

but due to me not having artificed and not completing her team yet, i dont see the damage for now

youd probably be better off building other team comps for now until she gets better alternatives

a 100 base attack difference snowballs a lot

[vernal pendant]

they gave us 6 star selector and free weapon but without the sanity to level it up, these item literally sit on my inventory gathering dust

[gritty olive]

its kinda insane

[proud vector]

eh

[dusk isle]

I just build my characters 1 lv per day, so i dont feel like im using materials

[vernal pendant]

damn, i dont have that kind of patience, either level 90 in one or two day or i uninstall (yes i already uninstalled once, but reinstalled 5 days later)

[gritty olive]

you should be able to farm enough lmd for the money requured

but i buy the BP and pass so my experience is probably skewed

[vernal pendant]

skewed

[gritty olive]

before i bought the BP i still have ~900k tcreds since im just farming essences for rossis weapon

[proud vector]

I just don’t level supports too high or do masteries

[gritty olive]

thats full exploiation and almost all quests

[proud vector]

Really does save a lot of sanity (ingame and IRL)

[gritty olive]

yeah in here masteries are prrtty linear unlike in arknights

[smoky quarry]

damn, you missed 2 pulls with that move

careful

[gritty olive]

so for supports its pretty ignoreable to an extent

[proud vector]

Masteries on a support are… actually good

[vernal pendant]

im also late to the party, joined near half of february (missed laevatain banner)

[smoky quarry]

-1cd on m3

[summer flicker]

-1cd pretty huge on sp

[proud vector]

ok some support masteries are actually good

[summer flicker]

if you can easily trigger that

[gritty olive]

like for exanple SA gets another target from m2 to m3

but it isnt in the level of endfield masteries

[dusk isle]

Xaihi bs m3 = +2% amp for 6 crowns

[summer flicker]

2% is 2%

[dusk isle]

Anything for a crumble of a percentage 🥀

[proud vector]

Estelle physical susc 10%>15%

[gritty olive]

pretty big if its your only source of susc

[smoky quarry]

who plays estelle though

[proud vector]

I do

She’s cute, and shatter phys is fun

[vernal pendant]

imagine having 6 enemies on field but only 5 died because no m3

[smoky quarry]

Valid pref

[vernal pendant]

just dont read her story

[smoky quarry]

I'm too lazy for this

[proud vector]

it’s really funny up until 200 bond

[smoky quarry]

I read only avywenna and perlica files

[vernal pendant]

good, stay innocent and dont read her story 🙂 thank me later

[smoky quarry]

Jokes on you, I know it anyway

[vernal pendant]

oh welp

emotional damage

[smoky quarry]

normal arknights backstory

[vernal pendant]

it is all fun and games until you read her story

[proud vector]

Heaad empty, brain smooth

Still somehow smarter than Chen

[smoky quarry]

E-e-e-ndmiin... How's your break?

[void crescent]

Chen is highly intelligent

[smoky quarry]

Literally lowest int amongst the roster

With the sole exception of tangtang

[void crescent]

She's humble

Shes literally the smartest one there

[proud vector]

Less Chen st00pid more Estella actually smort but lazy/lethargic

[void crescent]

Chen knows how to divide

Even i dont know how to do that

[proud vector]

L

I’m sorry, we can’t have someone who doesn’t even divide in Theorycrafting

It won’t work out…

[void crescent]

My theory is that chen has the biggest thighs in valley 4

[smoky quarry]

You should be in #endfield chat then

[void crescent]

Bro

Im here for like one minute and im already getting thrown out

[smoky quarry]

fair and square

math nerds only

[proud vector]

Self report

[smoky quarry]

more like self defamation

[drifting quest]

least off topic thread in tc

[warped sorrel]

Any knower?
How much i need to get P5P5
Weapon and character

[drifting quest]

worst luck it can be like 500k-1mil

pretty ridiculous

[warped sorrel]

Holy

[drifting quest]

realistically it can be a bit less, I know some whales have said p5 char is about 250k

[proud vector]

Absolute maximum for P5 is 600k if lose all 50/50’s
you would need to lose 15 coin flips in a row though to get here

[smoky quarry]

about 4k$ in worst case scenario

convert that to oroberyls and tokens

realistically 1k$

[warped sorrel]

what about weapon

[proud vector]

Haven’t done the maths on this one, sorry

[warped sorrel]

I just wanna if it is realistic to save and try to get p5 weapon

[proud vector]

As like a f2p?

No.

[honest hill]

How much in $$$

[warped sorrel]

With monthly

[drifting quest]

no idea

[smoky quarry]

endfield arsenal is a scam

You'll barely get anything out of it as f2p

[proud vector]

I don’t think that changes much I am not gonna lie

[smoky quarry]

from 1 to 4 grands

depending on luck

[honest hill]

Well but people said it's F2P friendly

well reddit ppl

[warped sorrel]

You still doesnt get weapon to p5 after you get your character to p5?

[smoky quarry]

the job of the reddit people isn't to read, it's to spread agenda

[honest hill]

True

[smoky quarry]

that's the neat part

you don't

you'll have to donate

[warped sorrel]

HOW MUCH DO I NEED

[smoky quarry]

about a grand

[proud vector]

Ok ok let’s start thinking about the maths

What’s the banner rules for weapons again? I forgot when they yielded the dupe

Is it every 80?

[warped sorrel]

.weapon

[drifting quest]

25/75 every 4 goes

[warped sorrel]

.weapongacha

[crystal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1444926807357784164/weapon.png?ex=692e7c74&is=692d2af4&hm=3e0016d64e34b447709b7a02ba9656e551466f7d4d74af1a6836db2a1910e686&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=910&height=523

[proud vector]

… n-no dupe garentees?

[warped sorrel]

Its this one

[drifting quest]

i believe people said that the amount of goes to guarantee increases with each pot

8 > 10 (18) > 12 (30) or something

[proud vector]

Ok so in worse case scenario you just always lose the 25/75

[normal tangle]

incredibly misleading i think

this implies operators are 4%

[smoky quarry]

1 origeo converts to 25 tokens, that's 80 origeo per pull

2 packs will give you 400 tokens, which is 5 pulls

How much 200 origeo packs costs in dollars?

[warped sorrel]

So in worst case scenarios
380 every 10 pull
And 2180 on guaranteed

[warm galleon]

Gacha ❌
DLC ✅

[honest hill]

I still don't like how arsenal pull currency is tied to char pulls

[smoky quarry]

Arsenal is what makes endfield the most expensive gacha in the segment btw

character alone is 2.5k, and that doesn't includes weapon

[honest hill]

Yet people thought it would be good because you get "free" pulls

[smoky quarry]

cause you need to donate even more to get enough pulls for weapon

[drifting quest]

only in worst case scenario does endfield end up worse

[warm galleon]

The $115 pack is either 60 operator pulls or 50 weapon banner pulls.

Operator pulls do give arsenal currency.

[smoky quarry]

I don't believe in luck

simple as it is

[honest hill]

Yeah it's dumb

[drifting quest]

to each their own but certainly biased to discount the average

[warped sorrel]

I wanna the number in worse case tho

[drifting quest]

only looking at either tail or the distribution is just

pepe

[warped sorrel]

Ok the math is pretty hard rn

[smoky quarry]

We do not account 1 important detail

6 star dupes yield endfield exchange tokens

Two dupes past 5/5 is legendary of your choice, except for event ones lol

[honest hill]

It's not much sure a 6* gives u 10 pull but u gotta pull a lot to get enough currency for pulling weapon

[warped sorrel]

I will try getting ai to help
And fact check later

[drifting quest]

ai

gross

[smoky quarry]

always triggers at least one guy

[drifting quest]

naturally

the polarizing topic is polarizing

[honest hill]

One day you'll be replaced by ai

[normal tangle]

me when i'm a magnet and they're talking about electricity

[proud vector]

So after the initial garentee at 80

[smoky quarry]

my opinion on this topic

[proud vector]

It takes 100 for the next dupe

And 160 for every dupe after

[normal tangle]

which is fine because that's literally never going to happen

[proud vector]

Worst case is what

[smoky quarry]

66 issues

1.5k dollars

[proud vector]

82 10 pulls total

At worst luck possible

[normal tangle]

looking exclusively at the guarantee system and not the incredibly high 4% chance is funny as hell lmao

good thing none of us are scientists

[drifting quest]

technically 1%

[smoky quarry]

GRAND AND A HALF FOR A WEAPON IN A VIDEOGAME

[proud vector]

Hey they wanted worst case scenario

[warm galleon]

If your target is p5 thernite, p5 starry, and p5 khrav then just pull on character banner.

[proud vector]

I’m giving the numbers for worst case scenario

[drifting quest]

since that 4% is still under 25/75

[normal tangle]

that's also true

[smoky quarry]

wait, actually two

[drifting quest]

over 100 pulls (10 goes) you'd expect 3 off banners and 1 rate up extra

'expect' being the key word

[smoky quarry]

Gotta cope big that they will add endgame event with arsenal tokens

even 8 issues for one weapon is already too much for a f2p

16k tokens

[drifting quest]

arsenal token income in 1.0
arsenal token income in 1.1
arsenal token income in 1.2

[warm galleon]

So casino where you put tokens and spin

[proud vector]

Oh god

At worst luck possible for 1200 pulls for P5

You only get like

70k~ Arsenal tickets garenteed

[normal tangle]

only 100 weeks of logins, light work

[proud vector]

That’s only halfway to P5 garenteed if worst luck possible

[smoky quarry]

1.9 years

[normal tangle]

sorry, 160

[smoky quarry]

bruuuuh

3

Gotta do weeklies for three years to afford one signature

[normal tangle]

as i said, light work

[drifting quest]

its less when you include daily stuff

[smoky quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/greedy-greed-krabs-mr-krabs-money-gif-17230860844697545851

[drifting quest]

for pure f2p no pulls spent

[smoky quarry]

gryphline wants to rival hoyo fr fr

[proud vector]

Honestly worst case scenario is like

[normal tangle]

oh yeah daily creds

[proud vector]

Pretty unlikely to occur

[normal tangle]

+20-40 per day

+even more if you pull literally anything at all

[warm galleon]

Just max dupe your wep in one x10 pull

[normal tangle]

so true

[drifting quest]

comes out to like 30-50 weeks

[smoky quarry]

If you get arsenal token trade every day (which doesn't happens), you would end up with 600 tokens per month

[drifting quest]

with decent luck

[normal tangle]

wdym "which doesn't happen"

[smoky quarry]

average whale luck

[normal tangle]

i've gotten at least one per day

reroll your shops bruh

[drifting quest]

ive had days where max reroll i get nothing

[smoky quarry]

I mostly encounter oroberyls

which is better than arsenal anyway

character by himself has more value than his sign

[drifting quest]

ive had days where i can get like 2 of each oroberyl and arsenal token in 1 day

[normal tangle]

i have had days with nothing, but i have also had days with 2

[warm galleon]

Keep rerolling til you get max dupe as f2p

Also you:

[normal tangle]

?

[warm galleon]

33million rerolls

[normal tangle]

what is that image from

[warm galleon]

Hsr, about a guy who reroll for 33m times.

[proud vector]

DR strange looking ass rerolling for realities

[potent hornet]

did we get any new info today yet?

[warped sorrel]

I got the math

not me but the gemini did

[smoky quarry]

.roadmap

[crystal coral]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HCxwOsmbwAA8BvD.jpg?name=orig

[smoky quarry]

you mean this?

[potent hornet]

naw saw that yesterday

[warped sorrel]

you need 1,080,000 in worst case to get character and weapon to P5P5

[potent hornet]

was hoping maybe some drip marketing or some numbers finally

[warm galleon]

Atleast Yvon is on 5 banners
Need to lose one 5050 to her.

[smoky quarry]

With average pull income of 100 per patch that's gonna take you 20 patches

or more than 2 years worth of patches

[warped sorrel]

How many year is that

Holy

[potent hornet]

more for limiteds you don't get on banner/rotation

[glass wind]

I cant wait that long

[normal tangle]

bro thinks we're getting 100 per patch 😭

[smoky quarry]

just rob a bank at this point

[potent hornet]

also, you can't use that currency for arsenal

[smoky quarry]

that's rock bottom

if they do less than that, I'll go play zzz

[gritty olive]

in genshin thats also the case with 2060 pulls for c6r5

[normal tangle]

lmfao

[glass wind]

There is a chance we can get Rossi in Tangtang's banner right?

[gritty olive]

but its worse considering its going to be 60-80 pulls per patch

[warped sorrel]

1,080,000 is 2,160 pull

[gritty olive]

no

[glass wind]

[terse valley]

operators as off rate ahead of their banner was unique to 1.0

[warped sorrel]

you also get your character to P10 (only if the 240 rule apply after P5 )

[warm galleon]

Wait Yvon still on 1.1 banners right?

[glass wind]

At least let me play her in a Demo to check her numbers

[gritty olive]

until rossi banner

[warm galleon]

Good enough

[normal tangle]

yes

[warped sorrel]

how much pull do we get each patch?

[gritty olive]

we dont know arm

[normal tangle]

bro we've had 0 patches

how would we know

[warped sorrel]

i think someone already did the math

[normal tangle]

?? what math

we have not had a patch

[gritty olive]

we dont know evenrs, we dont know new contenr, we dont know ANYTHING

[normal tangle]

bro's searching the aether for pulls/patch numbers 😭

[glass wind]

Why do Tangtang have to come out first before Rossi

[warped sorrel]

I got it

[warm galleon]

Tangtang story line of 1.1 then goes back to v4 story

[gritty olive]

id expect rossi to not be present in the mainstory

[warped sorrel]

Bro doesnt watch the news

[gritty olive]

like surtr and angelina

[warped sorrel]

.news

[crystal coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086663447207956/1326758696818053162/News_Endfield.png

[normal tangle]

she already was

i don't think she's coming back though

[gritty olive]

more like the pull rewards for those

[gritty olive]

in the new mainstory rather

[glass wind]

Lava and Gilberta were not in the main story

[normal tangle]

yvonne was for some reason

they REALLY want to sell her

she's in 5 banners, two supports back to back, she looks...like that

[glass wind]

I mean she did make Tata

[normal tangle]

she's very prominent in story

[pure spoke]

Tangtang when

[potent hornet]

soon

[normal tangle]

4d

[pure spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-endfield-tangtang-wuling-jump-gif-5889053850376434839

[gritty olive]

yvonne defended science park, made tata, and scolded andre. shes important mainstory wise

[potent hornet]

this will be a good week

[normal tangle]

yes i know

[potent hornet]

one piece live action season 2

[normal tangle]

i did not say she wasn't

[potent hornet]

and 1.1

[smoky quarry]

the hell is that advertisement

the tail is smooth though

[glass wind]

[normal tangle]

jesus christ

[pure spoke]

Her ass is kinda hypnotizing

[gritty olive]

at least its not 2020-2021 arknights en ads

[pure spoke]

Probably a man who did the motion capture

[gritty olive]

also 3d = more expression

[smoky quarry]

"why this video is two hours long"

[proud vector]

A man possessed of such bountiful booty? My lord….

[gritty olive]

they need to siphon off of fans who really fw designs like that

[pure spoke]

Biggest lie. Ppl dont last more than 3 min

[pure spoke]

[proud vector]

Hm

[smoky quarry]

Just gimme perlica in a wedding dress

[proud vector]

Gotta say I do NOT like how the tail attaches ngl

[smoky quarry]

Well, it makes virtually no sense anatomically

[proud vector]

I’m more used to tails being extensions of the tailbone….

[smoky quarry]

due to the size of the tail it can't be mounted where it should be

[pure spoke]

Cant sell ass if the tail is in her ass

[normal tangle]

how else would they give her a big ass

just attach the tail to the middle of the spine

problem solved

[smoky quarry]

it just can't be placed there, it won't work

her pelvis is too small

[proud vector]

Urgh it feels like it was glued on

[pure spoke]

Watch them

[proud vector]

Not a great feeling

[smoky quarry]

tail growing from a middle of a fucking spine

whereas tail is always continuation of it

[pure spoke]

Blame originium

[smoky quarry]

more like blame designers

[pure spoke]

Is she even infected?

[smoky quarry]

it's just placed incorrectly and that's it

[pure spoke]

It doesn't bother. Im not a scally

[vapid flame]

yvonne has two spines is my working theory

[smoky quarry]

mfw when designers ignore anatomy and make impossible character build

[gritty olive]

because it doesnt need to do

[smoky quarry]

[pure spoke]

Maybe yvonne is kal tsit

[gritty olive]

we dont need to be "anatomically accurate" on portrayifg ficitional entities, tho people like some semblance of realism

[pure spoke]

Ikr

[smoky quarry]

it's not realism, it's common sense

when you extrapolate animal features onto human, at least do it properly

[gritty olive]

and anime models are already anatomically inacurate

[proud vector]

It’s anatomical intuition

Once you see it

[pure spoke]

But yvonne aint human tho

[gritty olive]

wyvern moment

[proud vector]

You can fall into an uncanny valley effect

[gritty olive]

= i can do whatever i want

[proud vector]

Crackhead theory

The butt and legs are the prosthesis

[smoky quarry]

they represent accurate humanoid form

[proud vector]

Tail is the real body

[smoky quarry]

Idk whatcha talking about

[pure spoke]

Tata was the real body. The implosion warped yvonnes real body into aetherspace

We will see tata back soon

[smoky quarry]

and models are detailed in endfield, to the point where you can see toe bones on perlica's feet

[pure spoke]

Gfl2 could never

[proud vector]

Honestly if it didn’t stick out at a 90 degree angle and instead drooped down a little…

It would look nicer imo

[gritty olive]

originium warped people to allow that sort of blasphemy so im not pretty bothered with it

[smoky quarry]

it still would look awful from the side

[gritty olive]

especially if we have people like tomimi

[pure spoke]

"Would cover her ass too much. Rejected" - some higher ups in hypergryph

[smoky quarry]

laeva's halo blocks literally all rear view

I wonder why they made it like that

looks terrible

[gritty olive]

[smoky quarry]

worst thing i saw today

and i'm browsing gelbooru atm

[proud vector]

Dragon maid prepared me for thick dragon tail

[pure spoke]

Thicc af

[vapid flame]

a tail that big just isn't going to make intuitive physical sense, no salvaging it without changing a lot more about the character design

[gritty olive]

theres also wang with a thick dragon tail

[proud vector]

This is within tolerances

[smoky quarry]

it looks more like a maggot than a tail

[pure spoke]

Thicc leech imo

[gritty olive]

and hes a sui so its probably fine

[gritty olive]

its just tomimi's quirk, a fat tail

but in the uofficial animated short its nerfed

[smoky quarry]

in order to place it properly you'd have to enlarge yvonne pelvis, so it will actually fit

[pure spoke]

Eunectus tail

[smoky quarry]

meaning, changing whole design

cause she's designed to be short and booby

[pure spoke]

Yvonnes penis

[smoky quarry]

that's called pelvis bone btw

[vapid flame]

well her center of gravity needs to be like 2 feet in front of her, it's not just the pelvis

[smoky quarry]

this too, it's too damn heavy

[normal tangle]

when will we get an operator that actually fights with their tail fr

glavenus style

[proud vector]

Hmm

[gritty olive]

bailu normal attack

[proud vector]

Does anyone have a pic of Flourite from behind?

[pure spoke]

Her boobs shifts the center of gravity

[pure spoke]

Yes

[proud vector]

I think hers is like in the back as well

[normal tangle]

who is that

[proud vector]

But it looks less jarring?

[smoky quarry]

It's placed incorrectly a bit

[gritty olive]

https://tenor.com/view/bailu-honkai-star-rail-honkai-gif-27543386

[smoky quarry]

but it's better than yvonne

and it's actually hidden by clothing

[vapid flame]

yeah it could balance if her breasts are denser than like uranium

[normal tangle]

weak ass tail

[normal tangle]

how is she fighting with that

fuck theorycrafting bruh we asscrafting

[pure spoke]

Lmao

[smoky quarry]

#theorygoоning is wild

[proud vector]

If someone walked in right now

[pure spoke]

0 sanity moment

[proud vector]

All they would see is snek ass

[gritty olive]

probably because the transofmration was from animal to human

it justworks

[pure spoke]

I take snake ass over yvonne ass

[gritty olive]

so their human constitution handled the transition

[normal tangle]

nah i want like glavenus style tail fighting

[proud vector]

Yeah the fact that it’s thinner and the clothing obscures where the tail starts helps a lot

[smoky quarry]

I saw her doing things with that tail

[gritty olive]

hool has a longer tail

[smoky quarry]

There's new snake character in zzz who actively uses tail, and she has very agile and smooth animations

[gritty olive]

im getting channel banned again ill just shutup now

[normal tangle]

name?

[pure spoke]

Ambatu

[proud vector]

Holy monke brain activation

This appeals to a man’s heart not his c*ck

[smoky quarry]

Cissia

[pure spoke]

Looks like the wuwa highschooler

[smoky quarry]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8oX-Ck8-xmc

Animations are so fluid

even for zzz

[proud vector]

🐍 sssss

[pure spoke]

What a thrill

[proud vector]

Danger noodle propaganda

[smoky quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/ladder-climbing-kojima-konami-solid-snake-gif-27596974

[pure spoke]

SNAKE EEEATEEERRRR

[smoky quarry]

Just like this

[proud vector]

How did we get here

fck a mote of sanity has returned to me and now I look upon our last hour

[pure spoke]

There are so many bilibili ai generated endfield videos xd

High quality tho

[smoky quarry]

Frankly, chinese community knows how to use AI properly

[pure spoke]

They animated how past endmin met fangyi etc

Literally could be from ingame flashback

[proud vector]

High competition I guess

[smoky quarry]

I saw animation of xaihi feet

different recs ig

[proud vector]

The Chinese social media ecosystem itself can make you a lot of money if you go viral

[pure spoke]

I get pengmin ai saying googoogaga

[proud vector]

So people are in high competition to shit out as much good enough quality content to try get viral

[pure spoke]

At least endfield content at global doesnt feel as dead as ak global

Happy with that so far

[proud vector]

Yet

[pure spoke]

[smoky quarry]

There's no incentivize to do high-quality AI works in western community, cause they get harassed immediately by sjws

[proud vector]

Essentially

Let alone a hybrid approach of old fashioned with AI assist

[pure spoke]

Real artist in shambles

[edgy elk]

i walked in-

[proud vector]

Though I do not agree with how the image bots got trained tbh, that stuff is nasty

The transformer formula itself has no blame in this…

[pure spoke]

High-quality ai slop

[smoky quarry]

The way they trained doesn't matters

[proud vector]

Ethics and quality matter

[smoky quarry]

training material gets turned into pure math without personality

patterns and schemes

[proud vector]

a photograph strips away texture and smell

Can photos not be artful?

[pure spoke]

What if ai content gets personality and a soul in the future?

Because we cant tell anymore

[proud vector]

Art and humanity can find its way in when used properly by an artist, no matter the tool or medium

[smoky quarry]

Those are ephemeral merits. The only thing that matters is idea and execution

[proud vector]

The whole point of art is to mean something to a human

[pure spoke]

[proud vector]

I agree that AI slop does not fill this criteria

But to say the use of AI in any capacity cannot convey humanity is…. Flawed

[gritty briar]

okay i finally did that foodless 4 star run

What's the fastest 4 star rhodagn clear anyways?

haven't really seen many others

well aside from catcher solos

[proud vector]

You’re the first documented case I suppose

Outside of catcher guy

[smoky quarry]

Most of the people have no idea how deep this rabbit hole goes, and how much control prompter has over generation

[gritty briar]

catcher with food > entire squad of 4 stars without food

[smoky quarry]

writing prompts isn't full picture, I've seen insane workflows and that's not even the best of it

[proud vector]

If people think AI shits out a good image in one generation step that’s laughable

It’s a tool in the end in my eyes, just made too easy to generate low effort content…

[tulip kite]

just a question, theoretically, would it be a good idea to put the sandflower farms and buckflower farms all in a single sub pac, then have the rest of the production (HC and Buck A) in the main pac? On top of that would it be a good idea to have the shredders for the buckflower and sandflower in the subpac or the main pac?

[smoky quarry]

Wrong chat, but I prefer to use blueprints that have integrated seed farms

[vapid flame]

4star dps or full team 4 star? saw a 30 sec fluorite but she had a buff army

[proud vector]

^ it saves on depot output space

[gritty briar]

full 4 star team

[proud vector]

But I do have like 1 sandleaf farm off in its own corner

That fuels some sandleaf to otherwise annoying to reach points of production from the side

It’s a valid idea, but not very scalable

Might be better in Wuling with the custom depot orientations though! Depot unloader access is better and less of a worry there

[proud vector]

I think just not many people in this category haha

Most just end up doing f2p teams at that point

[gritty briar]

surely the chinese have done something

[proud vector]

Doesn’t help that the best synergy the 4* have together is what

Uhhh shatter?

[gritty briar]

yeah pretty much

[proud vector]

With no vuln payoff….

[smoky quarry]

more like sharter in this case

[gritty briar]

the vuln payoff is aethertech on catcher...

[proud vector]

Bruh

[gaunt mason]

i've seen z7 marble trim

[gritty briar]

no like you have no idea how many attempts i went through to make sure Estella combo'd a split second before Catcher parry to get Aethertech passive up

i actually kinda need to dodge rhodagn's attacks for the slowdown to stall

[terse valley]

is parrying with catcher even worth the sp
why not just stack up fire for stronger solidify+shatter

[proud vector]

Well props to you lmao

Is catcher auto attacks still a significant contribution to damage lol?

[gritty briar]

well it only really costs 70 sp
and catcher finisher getting buffed helps a lot

[terse valley]

i can see u doing estella ult for phys suscept then link catcher ult

[gritty briar]

He's actually a pretty big portion of the damage, although the 3 damage dealers are roughly equal

[proud vector]

Hmmm

[gritty briar]

This is what the clear looks like
https://youtu.be/eipaJIwIzh0

[terse valley]

wait whats fluorite combo again? what infliction can she stack?

[proud vector]

Cyro or nature

No go with big solidify

[terse valley]

damn

[proud vector]

Big combustion is the most she can do here

[gritty briar]

Skill stacks nature
Combo and Ult stacks either cryo or nature if there's 2 stacks already present

[proud vector]

Wait no just

Spam Flourite’s bomb kek

4 stack solidify

Lesgolesgo

[gritty briar]

Unfortunately estella shatter isn't even that strong so i did big corrosion and small shatter instead near the end

well there's still a big shatter at the very end

[terse valley]

wait who benefits corosion here

[proud vector]

Everyone right

Corro is all resistances

[terse valley]

i thought corrosion only shreds elemental res?

[gritty briar]

I have tried 2 big shatters and small corrosion instead and it is not as good as 1 big corrosion, 1 small shatter, 1 big shatter

[proud vector]

Including phys

[gritty briar]

Corrosion is everything

[terse valley]

oh

[proud vector]

Electrification is arts amp only

[gritty briar]

Fitting 2 estella combos in that rhodagn stagger also took some work

cause the stagger is only 10 seconds

estella combo is 17s

[proud vector]

Lots of ultimates needed

imagine if TangTang could time stop stagger bar depletion lmao

Instant T0

[gritty briar]

anyways this shit took a massive amount attempts and random bullshit like this did not help
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/487110864504094730/1480000255591317535/338327330.9_12A138DC605AA9A8.mp4?ex=69af66a6&is=69ae1526&hm=e42e69db0643e1a1df8eebc204730a4d07aef3a4ab559ed33bedbee1f0582cc4&

drove me insane

[proud vector]

Holy

He dodged you with that massive build?

[gritty briar]

he's got the movement tech

anyways it's kinda funny that catcher's ult animation is so long that I can switch and almost fit an entire estella basic chain during it

free sp

[proud vector]

This is the way

[stable inlet]

Anyone have sources of frame data? eg. ult activation/animation seconds, basic attack sequence frames

[proud vector]

End-axis, the timelining tool has them I think

But not in a nice excel table form

[stable inlet]

Darn, was hoping there's a dump of some kind

[proud vector]

The raw data spreadsheets aren’t shared often if at all around here

That stuff is kinda buried in private TC group chats

[stable inlet]

Ahh I see, DM me people in private TC chats

[proud vector]

Half of the reason why is because a good majority of the sheets are Chinese lol

The pinned document in teambuilding and here, Iana’s document

Uses Chinese data sheets heavily for references

It’s just hard to find them on your own due to language barrier

[stable inlet]

Good to know, thanks
Might hop over to the CN channels and ask around then

[proud vector]

Yeah, probably better luck there honestly

[warm galleon]

Ahh yes z7 team with one slacker.

No, not her.

[warped sorrel]

I got the number

You need 1,355,000 to P5P5 character and weapon

Which take around 3 years for f2p to save

[summer flicker]

😭

[outer ermine]

[frozen tide]

Is this accounting only permanent sources

[warped sorrel]

it is indeed only permanent sources

[frozen tide]

Ig you can't read the future and include all one time sources in the future

But it's weird to say it takes f2p 3 years also

Since there is always gonna be new volatile sources

[warped sorrel]

so it is not reliable then

[frozen tide]

How likely do you think

The game will have 0 non permanent oro events mails etc

For 3 years

[summer flicker]

[frozen tide]

Its not rly quantifiable

But there will be and likely a good amount

[warped sorrel]

If you can read future
Please tell me then

what is likely to be the actual case

[frozen tide]

My only argument is that it is misleading to claim it takes f2p 3 years to get that amount of oros

There's also guaranteed pulls that is consistent with every banner

[warped sorrel]

ok

[gritty olive]

Consider worst case scenario with kickbacks

[warped sorrel]

i guess

maybe it will take 1.5 years idk

Cant see the future

[gritty olive]

Like pot0 everything

[warped sorrel]

Wdum?

[gritty olive]

Assume you dont have any units. The only units you have are the starting units, for a lowball estimate

[warped sorrel]

Yes

[drifting berry]

Question, does this mean that there is a cap on how much Corrosion Reduction is possible to achieve, regardless of arts intensity?

[gaunt mason]

max reduction as in the corrosion value at 10s+

arts int will still increase it

[compact bridge]

2710 pulls? Seems wrong to me

[terse valley]

how come refeshing corosion with a weaker one doesnt override the effect while perlica combo overrides a lv4 electrification

[drifting berry]

But is there a cap on how much reduction is possible? like if I consume 4 stacks of cryo and I apply corrosion, the maximum regardless of arts intensity is 24%

[gaunt mason]

ask the devs

[dry kindle]

[edgy elk]

nahnah, it's 24 before arts intensity multiplier

[outer ermine]

bircked

[gaunt mason]

no

[drifting berry]

Oh got it

[dry kindle]

Where's 1.1 already

[terse valley]

does it gets added to your sanity

[twilit quail]

no new gear set

eos

[proven mauve]

[dry kindle]

No

[terse valley]

oh my god

[outer ermine]

few days

[edgy elk]

formula: ramped% x (1+ 2xintensity/(300+intensity))

if u wanna math it

[proven mauve]

just uninstall and play genshin atp

[warped sorrel]

Why

[terse valley]

so that's just gore

[dry kindle]

Yep

[drifting berry]

Thank you, also, how much arts intensity would be achievable on a regular perlica build?

[edgy elk]

...perlica?
this is corrosion no?

[drifting berry]

Yeah, trying to compare something

[dry kindle]