theorycrafting

[gaunt mason]

like 4 phys but worse

[proud vector]

And I honestly don’t know enough about that shit to say much haha

[summer flower]

Ehh, it's already case according to pinned sheet where subdps is important for phys

[gaunt mason]

feels crafting is all we can do without kit numbers

[summer flower]

Check Chen damage

[tranquil cedar]

Maybe in a turbo heat her ult will do enough damage but she will be powercreep fast then

[lyric latch]

Solo TT on the other hand shouldnt be too bad. She is a "one girl team" (devs words)

[gaunt mason]

are you expecting one rossi combo and one rossi ult to outdamage lifeng

[tranquil cedar]

TT work alone

[summer flower]

I don't expect that

I have no idea to know if it's gonna be or not

[proud vector]

I think I have a fundamental gap in knowledge of pure physical rotation

[gaunt mason]

it could change when her kit numbers come out

[proud vector]

[tranquil cedar]

Honestly TT might be playable in non cryo in the future

[summer flicker]

tangtang using yvonne sig solo trimmed soon ig

[summer flower]

0 numbers go do your divination yourself

[summer flicker]

[wind nebula]

People look at me funny for saying this, but the guard / caster description (if designed accurately) basically says "I give buffs but can also use buffs well. Put me with other guards/casters and we can all do good damage together"

Striker will probably still be the highest TC, but I expect teams like that to compete depending on recent releases

[gaunt mason]

as of the info we have right now she just looks like a downgrade if you force her into phys

[proud vector]

I blame Xaihi

Her buffs are way way too strong

[gaunt mason]

her numbers would actually have to be insane

[proud vector]

It shifts the meta a LOT

[summer flower]

Guys

I don't have lifeng

It's not lemme get lifeng out

And put Rossi in

[gritty olive]

because to be fair the actual tcers arent doing their tcs here. theyre doing it in small servers

[wind nebula]

Now that I agree with

[drifting quest]

The description is that they stack (vuln/inflictions) and deal good damage

But the latter part is sometimes a lie

[tranquil cedar]

Keeping all secret

[proud vector]

It’s like a spy ring sorta

[tranquil cedar]

[summer flicker]

[proud vector]

The actual TCers are in small cut off invite only communities

[lyric latch]

Imagine if they release 6* Xaihi in 1.2

[proud vector]

To not be disturbed

[drifting quest]

Yeah

[gritty olive]

more like outside intervention will just lead to slower turnoevers rather than them being greedy and secretive

[drifting quest]

Im in like 4 private group chats for tc

[gaunt mason]

my friends back in china tc in secret group chats too

[unreal light]

just pull him

[proud vector]

We may call this channel TC but it’s really FC

[summer flower]

-complain about someone trying to base stuff on damage when there is no numbers
-get asked if I think Rossi will out damage lifeng

[drifting quest]

None of them want anything to do with this server

[proud vector]

Though it is a point of public interaction with the closed off crowd

[tranquil cedar]

You rename the server for 3 week

[proud vector]

So ideas can bounce too and from here

[summer flower]

Can we get to this talk after Rossi is datamined?

[tranquil cedar]

Until rossi number are out

[wind nebula]

Only in a world where we're comparing 4 stars to 6 stars and not acknowledging the difference between DPS Flourite teams trimming and how impossible it would(should?) be for DPS Xaihi with no striker, guards or casters to trim

[tranquil cedar]

[proud vector]

Oh absolutely

[summer flower]

Yea, until numbers are out or datamined

[tranquil cedar]

Next video :Rossi is the best dps: + : Rossi is trash, don't pull:

[proud vector]

i'm personally really hoping endmin rossi is good, like Laev good xD

[tranquil cedar]

[gaunt mason]

both released by the same cc

[tranquil cedar]

[summer flower]

Yea, one CC dooms to then praise, other does opposite order

[tranquil cedar]

Unless it's the most hated italian vtbuer

Supah tic italian accent

[rare zodiac]

with 6h gap

[drifting quest]

Even comparing between rarities lower rarities can outdamage higher ones, or vice versa
Fluorite dps is better than wulf dps, on average, but both are eclipsed by perlica

[wind nebula]

Think wulf dps will go up with Rossi?

[tranquil cedar]

Perlica striker soon

[tranquil cedar]

[drifting quest]

Not notably

[summer flower]

But K is that middle block that spans whole width

[rare zodiac]

nah, Rossi need combustion and Wulf fuking ate combustion

[tranquil cedar]

I follow the K cause i am lazy

[proud vector]

he does also provide on ult at minimum i gue

[summer flower]

Wait no

It's not K

[proud vector]

but honestly? just run akekuri and ignore the application

[summer flower]

It's "just surtr it"

[wind nebula]

Don't think it says she eats it. He can just have the leftovers

[summer flower]

It's surtur there

[unreal light]

https://tenor.com/bShPP.gif

[tranquil cedar]

Surtr and the whole hospital

keeping her alive

[rare zodiac]

i can see Lae and 3 support/healer in the future

[proud vector]

future?

[tranquil cedar]

Not really cause ult is not infinite for now

[summer flower]

Wait, so laev loses hp?

[unreal light]

do you play her alongside 2 dps rn?

[summer flower]

I thought it's different and she doesn't

[unreal light]

surts loses, laev does not

[summer flower]

Yea

[tranquil cedar]

Me bad so she does

[rare zodiac]

Lae Wulf Perlica Arde right now

[tranquil cedar]

[unreal light]

I see

[rare zodiac]

still questioning if 1 EBS is as good as 1 lv4 electrification, need more test

[proud vector]

arts breach :L

[rare zodiac]

yeah kinda like crush crush crush or breach crush crush kinda thing

[soft tendon]

artificing kit third stat first would likely be the best route right

[distant python]

i dont think bonecrusher is the play

becuase battle skill bonus doesnt increase the crush damage applied by skill

[rare zodiac]

Endmin have BS dmg?

like 350% with M3 no?

[distant python]

i mean every character has battle skill damage

but its not like avy where avy has like 80% of her total damage in her battle skill

[gaunt mason]

mult isn't horrible but there's much better things you could be buffing

[soft tendon]

its still a pretty free 15% atk + 80% stagger dmg

most of my dmg is in a stagger window anyways

[distant python]

or you could go swordmancer which has physical damage bonus which buffs everything

[rare zodiac]

why just not Swordmancer and stagger more often?

i don't thing we can 2 crush in 1 stagger window

[proud vector]

swordmancer's bonus damage even benefits from grand vision

[distant python]

i am somewhat considering having a higher endmin crush arts intensity set with aethertech

[proud vector]

its nice

[distant python]

but currently my endmin is on swordmancer

stagger spam team go brrrr

[rare zodiac]

swordmancer is a good set, i like set with outside effect rather than just dmg up

[distant python]

oooh i wonder if we will get strength based swordmancer gear in 1.1 for my ember

[soft tendon]

gloves r the mainstay piece right

[distant python]

will kinda suck since i just finished artificing her gear but oh well

[gaunt mason]

for most situations

kind of depends how you route your damage

[wind nebula]

Since there does seem to be some hardcore TCers here, what CCs qualify as TCs in your view?

Are there factions among the TCers based on different baseline assumptions or something?

[proud vector]

yeah?

there are speedkill TC

and rotation TC

one calculates the best way to bully the re-crisis bosses

and is more akin to speedrunning stuff

the other is DPM calcs

the issue is that normal people don't understand the difference between the two

ie the GODDAMN EVERYWHERE LR xaihi ardelia perlica team which is a speedkill team that runs super negative on SP

[gaunt mason]

the tc groups i'm in calculate for dpsp/dps/dpr

maybe it's different for en tc

[wind nebula]

Hmm interesting. Thanks for the behind the scenes details.

Other question, I can't seem to infer what dpsp means

[gaunt mason]

damage per sp

[proud vector]

damage per sp

[wind nebula]

Omg I was gonna guess that but felt stupid suggesting that

What's the use case of that calc?

[gaunt mason]

basically quantifying damage without perfect play

like you click these buttons and this is your damage

[wind nebula]

Ooooo, that's appealing

[gaunt mason]

assuming you fit it into buff windows

[gritty olive]

currently i do dps

and i end the sims when i have 200 sp

ideally

[drifting quest]

Guoba and Lin0 are good CCs here

[wanton notch]

Prydwen biggest copium Ember players I swear

[drifting quest]

Alesh haters

[distant python]

Okay tbf

[gritty olive]

everytime i see a prwyden tierlist ill send this without warning

[distant python]

This was super break meta

Pre lingsha

[wanton notch]

Estella haters too

[distant python]

Gallagher was the best super break sustain

[drifting quest]

[wanton notch]

I can find Jiangxin tier 0,5 a tier below Verina in support category in WuWa

[gritty olive]

and that didnt frame his weakness perfectly + acheron team wanted debuffs

[distant python]

But why the fuck is luocha in the same tier as huohuo

[gritty olive]

so his benefit is overrepresented

[distant python]

What are we doing

Blade hasn't been revalent for 6 months at this point

[gritty olive]

because a 100% sp positive sustain is good?

[distant python]

He has 0 buffs

[wanton notch]

Ngl I need to kick Gallagher from my team. I have him just because I got used to playing him, but guy literally does nothing in my Herta team

[distant python]

I enjoyed big herta + jade

[gritty olive]

2 more sp per turn over huohuo is also a kind of buff

[distant python]

Fun team, wish it was usable

[gritty olive]

unless you play huohuo EAEA instead of EAA

[distant python]

If you play like dhil, who is also irrelevant

[wanton notch]

I still play it

[gritty olive]

you underestimate SP

[distant python]

Bro I was using fucking serval in moc at one point

[wanton notch]

It's literally my main team because I spent too much time and resources for it

[compact bridge]

Their logic is meta is what is the most effective against the current enemies line up

[wanton notch]

I also still use FuA team

[distant python]

Break + crit hybrid serval

And then there was the cope Kafka team I had before black swam

I hated sampo + luka

So I used serval /Sushang with break

And then proceed the break dots with kafka

Truly genius teambuilding

[wanton notch]

I pulled so many units with their sigs and just don't level them.

I have Castorice, Yunlin, SW, Clara and new DHeng benched

[gritty olive]

shock has one of the worst break dots

bet to stick with bleed

[distant python]

Shock break dot is okay

[wanton notch]

One if the my teams at 1.0 that I was using to clear MoC was Serval, Sampo, Asta, Tingyun.

Kafka didn't exist back in days

[distant python]

It's like 2x damage, but worse initial hit

[warm galleon]

Still have gremlin team
They got buffed too

[distant python]

I didn't play until luocha release

[distant python]

Mono quanny

[wanton notch]

I also got new Elation girl and didn't even read her. Just got her and her sig because I had 20 free pulls.

Gonna end forever benched

[compact bridge]

Thats better than my asta hook guinafen himeko dot team

[distant python]

I quit in 3.0, then came back in 3.2 just to pull for global passive

And then left again

[distant python]

I still have a himeko team, idk what it even is now

Oh wait

Superbreak himeko

Fugue, HMC , himeko and lingsha

[wanton notch]

I had Hook + Bronya as my hyper carry team at some point

[distant python]

We have firefly at home looking ass team

Because I skipped firefly for jade

When is the Arlan buff

[compact bridge]

Jade is my only main dps char till this day

Actually i have seele, but cant use her anymore

[distant python]

Oh wait I had Ruan mei for superbreak also

My pre black swan team

[flat glen]

wait what server did i walk into

[distant python]

Was Kafka, serval, Sushang and ruan mei

Truly a team of all time

[wanton notch]

I have RM at level 1 despite playing Boothill

[distant python]

I just really like serval

She's soo fucking hot man

[flat glen]

how dare they make Serval a 4*

[wanton notch]

I can actually get home in like few hours and torture ya people with my list of 5 star characters at level 1

[distant python]

My castorice is lvl 1

[flat glen]

i thinm y saber and archer at level 1

i pulled and quitted the game

[distant python]

I don't think I even claimed the free archer

[flat glen]

the lack of voice acting made me paused the game thinking i'd return when they fixed that shit

and i never did

[distant python]

I just don't care about hsr

[wanton notch]

Same

[compact bridge]

I have a bunch like archer danheng ratio at lv 1

[distant python]

I kinda miss my himeko and jade though

[flat glen]

what's that guy with an ult that transform him into a giant boss and put away the team members again?

[distant python]

Phainon?

[flat glen]

the one that rings a bunch of meteors

yeah i think that's the guy

i played the most around the time of firefly and slowly got burned out and stopped around that time

[compact bridge]

I only log in once every two month now

[distant python]

I quit cause of powecreep

[flat glen]

HSR has one of the silliest powercreep of all gacha right?

[distant python]

I want to use my characters

[compact bridge]

Do all the endgame, then quit again lol

[compact bridge]

Its not powercreep tbh

[flat glen]

i want to use charcaters that i like and am attached to but it just gets left behind really quickly

[compact bridge]

Its the fact that you need to pull 4 char as a bundle

[distant python]

Ngl endfield feels dangerously close to that situation already

[flat glen]

around the time i left, E2 also feels very ..."needed"

compared to other gachas

not needed, but you know what i mean

[distant python]

E2 dhil incident

[flat glen]

it feels more expecting to you get E2 than other games

like many charcacters feel designed around E2

[echo cove]

Is it just me or is tangtang looking giga cracked rn?

[flat glen]

without numbers it's so hard to say

[distant python]

Kafka talent to proc all dots with skill was locked behind her E2 in beta testing

Fortunately everyone complained about that

[flat glen]

but at least even with the worst possible numbers she would still make Yvonne teams more comfortable

[echo cove]

[flat glen]

isn't Acheron also a really bad case of needing E2?

[echo cove]

I mean, it seems to me that she can defo fit into xira set

At least

Her weapon is still a big question i guess

[tranquil cedar]

For Last rite it is debatable without number but for Yvonne it help consistency

[flat glen]

i assume with Tangtang, yvonne becomes 1 nature stack, skill , 4 cryo stack, skill kinda rotation?

[distant python]

Acheron is a really bad case of needing Sig and very niche teammates

[echo cove]

But kitwise, the fact that she give sucep on top of technically not requiring skill use to do cryo inflict is just insane

[flat glen]

cheap cryo too right?

[honest hill]

why are y'all talking about HSR here

[echo cove]

That's literally what i said

[honest hill]

[echo cove]

Thing is if u counted from the showcase

Her cs cd is abt 12s

So u can guarantee approx 2 whirl b4 ult

Or at least that's what am assuming

That 2 whirl+ult is 3 cryo stack without needing bs at all

[flat glen]

for yvonne, you want to freeze with tangtang ult right? while last rite probabl;y want to detonate it?

[echo cove]

Am p sure u r supposed to detonate it eitherway

It enhances the whirl

[honest hill]

why would u use LR with Yvonne

unless u mean in their seperate team

[flat glen]

i mean tangtang in yvonne team and in LR's own team

[echo cove]

So theorycraftibgwise, it is prolly gonna be yvone ult -> wait few secs -> t2 ult -> yvone ult fs -> jump strike

[drifting quest]

Basically same rot as alesh right now

But also kinda worse

[echo cove]

Similar to how when using laev ult, u sumtimes uses it first then slap the buffs midway

[valid palm]

her waterspouts do not apply cryo infliction individually

you can see in the video

[echo cove]

It does

[honest hill]

who would tangtang replace in LR team

[valid palm]

even when she summons multiple at the same time, you only see one stack apply

[echo cove]

Oh w8

OHHH I MISREAD

[flat glen]

pretty sure it's always just one sprout per battle skill

[echo cove]

That's why i thought it was giga busted

Bruh

[flat glen]

more sprout returns more SP, but it's still one sprout

i think sprouts from ult detonation also gives 1 stack?

[echo cove]

Correct

So 1 stack from ult/bs

I take back what i said

[valid palm]

no, she gets multiple spouts

it's just that they only inflict one infliction together, not individually

[flat glen]

i meant one cryo stack i brain farted

[valid palm]

xD

understandable

[echo cove]

Hmm

[flat glen]

it's still "cheap", because the watersprout returns some SP when you skill

[echo cove]

I wonder if this mean she can work with frontier set

[flat glen]

so she's basically doing last rite's (copium) job in Yvonne's team, as a cheap cryo stacker that stacks 1 stack at less than 100SP

[valid palm]

unfortunately it's a return though and not a recover. Yvonne becomes even more ult hungry

[echo cove]

Still no frontier then?

[rare zodiac]

I hate return sp with a passion

[flat glen]

oh right, you might need more than 5 stacks to ult then

might actually need 6?

i'm curious about tangtang's personal damage
wonder if her aoe is good enough

[echo cove]

Hmm

12s cs that basically becomes ur battery+cryo sucep huh

Interesting i guess

[flat glen]

also i guess it makes detonation unit on xaihi less annoying to use

[valid palm]

I wonder how long whirlpools last on the field, and if there's a cap on how many she can consume with her bs/ult

[flat glen]

i expect it to be like Avy's spear?

oh god tangtang skill is literally just Avy's spears

[valid palm]

like you're only ever doing 2-3 in a realistic rotation, but it would be funny if you could try and rip like 5 in a single skill

[echo cove]

I'm sure it'll be capped by the cd

[valid palm]

I meant more like if they're going to put a hard cap on it

[flat glen]

i don't expect the duration to be like a whole minute to allow you to do that

[valid palm]

specifically because of the SP refund

[echo cove]

If that happens, she's gonna be the best support for nuke composition

[flat glen]

the hard cap is the duration divided by combo CD

[valid palm]

there's always going to be a "soft cap" unless they just forget to put a duration on the whirlpools, which I highly doubt

[flat glen]

you can't cheap the combo cd so it's pretty firmly set in stone i imagine

[valid palm]

no, that's a soft cap because there's always the potential of reducing combo CD. Frontiers is ass on Tangtang but it already exists, and the fact that it exists implies we might get more similar stuff in the future.

[echo cove]

12s most likely

[valid palm]

A hard cap is them going "Can consume a maximum of 2 whirlpools to create 3 waterspouts"

Which isn't unrealistic when SP refund is tied to that

[flat glen]

i imagine you can consume infinite
the hard cap might just be on how many can exist on the ground at the same time before consumption

i expect there to be the soft cap but no hard cap really

[valid palm]

Who knows

I also expect (or maybe just hope lol) that it's the soft cap

[tranquil cedar]

Fast combo tangtang

[valid palm]

but it's not implausible they hard cap it

[drifting quest]

Hard cap is assumed as 3 based on icon, iirc

Has 3 dots or whatnot

[valid palm]

Oh, I forgot about that

[drifting quest]

They save between fights, not tied to visuals assumedly

[echo cove]

3 huh...

[valid palm]

I wonder if her potentials will give her another way to generate whirlpools

[echo cove]

Interesting

[flat glen]

imagine if they hit actually decently hard and you yeet like 7 sprouts at the enemies on ult

[flat glen]

i expect a pot to - cd

[echo cove]

Right... Imagine if p1 is like casting ult reduced cs cd

[tranquil cedar]

Ult can't generate whirlpool alone right?

[flat glen]

talent 2 ult on detonation generates 1 and eats others no?

[valid palm]

nothing generates whirlpools besides her combo

that we know of

BS/Ult both generate 1 waterspout, plus one for each whirlpool

[echo cove]

Am just hoping she get a support weapon

We rly need a support gun

And not clanibal

[flat glen]

clannibal feels so awkward to use

[valid palm]

Imagine Tangtang is an Agility scaler, and gets a support gun that isn't tied to Cryo somehow

[flat glen]

that's a giant SP you are asking from me Clannibal

[valid palm]

Fluorite buffs

[echo cove]

[valid palm]

actually... if we go just based off of Vibes ™, what do we thing Tangtang might be? Because lowkey Agility seems like the most aesthetically correct mainstat for her

Don't know what secondary fits, other than not Intelligence

[echo cove]

I feel like her stat should be similar to chen

So what's that? Agi str?

[dawn patrol]

agi int moment

[valid palm]

Will, maybe? Strength is possible too ig, but idk

[echo cove]

Chen is 2nd int?

[valid palm]

Strength doesn't feel like it fits that well

[echo cove]

Is that a joke?

[dawn patrol]

no chen is agi str

but i can't see tt being agi str lmao

[echo cove]

Yea rite, i feel like it should be agi str

Agi will is kinda broken

[flat glen]

doesn't Chen has the lowest int of all level 90 charcaters

[echo cove]

As in that would mean she heal a ton

[valid palm]

I mean... idk

[echo cove]

Tho if it is agi str

Xira set would suck

[valid palm]

Not sure how much Will secondary really matters for healing income

[flat glen]

i assume there's no point to theorcraft for Rossi ?

[valid palm]

strength-wise

[dawn patrol]

xira doesn't stack anyway so depending on your team tt might not even run xira

[dawn patrol]

she's so chopped dude

[valid palm]

The biggest downside of Xira is that like everyone wants to run it lol

[flat glen]

it's impossible to theorcraft for her because without numbers you can't tell what's she supposed to do

[valid palm]

lowkey, getting new gear sets buffs Xira by letting you stack different buffs xD

[echo cove]

Will is treatment received bonus

[valid palm]

I'm aware

[echo cove]

If u alr run gil, maybe yeah

[valid palm]

But I do not think it is game changing, especially as secondary

[echo cove]

Buf if u do lr team, am sure she'll run xira

[echo cove]

More heal is quite nice on cryo, altho on nonmain maybe not so much

For xaihi's skill kekw

[valid palm]

And even then, treatment received mostly matters for the on-field operator. Which she can be, but it will be annoying to do in Yvonne teams and potentially suboptimal in LR teams

[lyric latch]

I remember someone saying Tangtang would have Str as secondary because of her HP on the video

[valid palm]

Like, on-fielding Tangtang could very well be optimal in Yvonne actually because Yvonne's basics kind of suck for SP and Stagger, but that means you're constantly trying to switch back and forth between the two of them, since you need to on-field Yvonne for her ult and Solidification follow-up FS, and then switch out to Tangtang in between but ideally you don't want to interrupt Tangtang's sequence so you only really get specific timings after her FS's to do stuff, which makes it a nightmare that's probably not worth it.

and in Last Rite, you don't have any of these issues, but Last Rite's basics are so cracked with animation cancels that it's very unrealistic on-fielding Tangtang would be better than on-fielding Last Rite anyway lol

So having better healing received doesn't really matter

[dawn patrol]

it also doesn't matter bc the game is so easy

[lyric latch]

On field Tangtang also means you lose Xaihi BS Amp on the main dps

[dawn patrol]

there is no content that where healing received is a stat you would actually actively want

[honest hill]

for the ppl that have major skill issue it matters

[dawn patrol]

for those people i doubt they

are tcing about the viability of tt

with regards to how much healing she's going to get

[valid palm]

oh true. so it doesn't even matter unless you're for some reason not running Xaihi, or you want to make your head hurt even more by trying to juggle her buff on main DPS and Tangtang

[honest hill]

true

[valid palm]

Because technically you can actually dual buff with Xaihi's battle skill, it just requires that both characters are full HP and you perform it fast enough

if either one gets chipped lol

[dawn patrol]

like unironically if you are handless enough that tt healing received matters to you i'm afraid you've got bigger problems

just run ember atp

[valid palm]

Yvonne Ember Shatter 🔥 🔥 🔥

[summer flower]

Hmm, could work

[valid palm]

I lowkey feel like it's worse than Estella but

ig if you have no hands, it could be worth

[summer flower]

Why worse than Estella?

It's no SP shatter in both cases

Isn't it?

[valid palm]

Estella gives Yvonne more Arts Amp if you're running Gilberta

Unless you're actually using Ember's Battle Skill

If you're running Gilbertaless, then I suppose Ember is probably better in terms of her personal damage + stagger

[summer flower]

It's adding additional operator than in premise

[valid palm]

I mean, sure

[summer flower]

I might check that tbh

[valid palm]

In a complete vacuum, only looking at Yvonne plus one other operator

Then Ember is better than Estella most likely

[summer flower]

Like maybe could be shatter crush team

[valid palm]

But if you're actually looking at what the full Shatter team typically looks like, then Estella is better because your core is Yvonne/Gilberta

[summer flower]

I have empty spot in Phys team

I might check shatter crush team

Cause my current rotation is 3 if it's fastest

If I can fit one solidification and shatter

[valid palm]

with Yvonne?

[summer flower]

It's changes to 4

[valid palm]

Or just a regular phys team with shatter + crush

[summer flower]

Dunno if yvonne is good source of solidification

[valid palm]

Yeah that's what I mean

It feels like we've jumped to a completely separate team now lol

[summer flower]

SP less solidification would be required

I just added pairing to endmin Chen pairing

Which has overlap with my current setup for phys

[valid palm]

Snowshine

I think that's the only source without running multiple units

[summer flower]

Okay

I'll try it

[valid palm]

Like Gilberta + Alesh

[summer flower]

Ohh yea no, Yvonne is counter synergy with shatter

That was different operator for solidification

Yea snowshine works but combo skill will be not utilised much

[valid palm]

I just double-checked

Snowshine is the only way to do SP-less Solidification in one character

[summer flower]

Estella needs additional member for solidification

[valid palm]

If you're willing to use SP, you open up way more options, but without SP you just slot Snowshine and pump the fuck out of her ult gain I suppose lol

[summer flower]

Hmm... Did tang tang had SP less solidification?

[valid palm]

Nah

well

[summer flower]

Ohh

[valid palm]

not by herself

she has SP less cryo on ult

but she still needs someone to apply a different infliction first

[summer flower]

My setup has 3 vunl within one SP use + crush with second

[rare zodiac]

We need more caster with sp less infliction/reaction

[summer flower]

If I can fit shatter which gives vunl right?

Shatter gives vunl right?

Right?

[valid palm]

no

[summer flower]

Or should I cry

[valid palm]

Other way around, actually

Vuln is what causes Shatter

[summer flower]

Hmm... Snowshine then?

[rare zodiac]

Vul cause shatter

[summer flower]

Wait no...

[valid palm]

Estella Combo, Estella Ult, Chen combo

[summer flower]

How much sp less vunl does Estella have ?

Okay that works

[valid palm]

yeah, that's 3 vuln with one SP but requires two different ultimates

[summer flower]

And snownshine for solidification

[proud vector]

Jus…

[summer flower]

Wait no

I'm missing one vunl

[proud vector]

what is going on here

[valid palm]

what weapon is on Chen?

[proud vector]

Why are you shattering

[summer flower]

I mistook behaviour of shatter

I can check how good is just shatter put there for sake of it with forced solidification

But it's not like there is additional synergy

[valid palm]

if you're running Sundering you're probably going to want to use a second SP to use Chen's BS anyway

[summer flower]

Cause shatter does not add vunl stacks

[valid palm]

so you can get both stacks

[valid palm]

well, it is a big chunk of damage + stagger. But the main reason you're doing it is for Estella to apply Physical Susceptibility

[proud vector]

solidification as a whole kinda only works as a payoff for Estella and Yvonne

[summer flower]

Okay, so final situation would be lack of ember but + Phys susceptibility

[valid palm]

yeah

[summer flower]

Snowshine means sustain isn't issue

[proud vector]

s-snowshine shatter phys…?

[valid palm]

The only reason Ember as a Shatterer had merit before was because we were talking about theoretical Yvonne teams, where Estella's physical susceptibility is useless

[proud vector]

..s-scary…

[valid palm]

In an actual Physical team, Estella is just strictly better as a Shatterer

If Ember had heat infliction, you could run them together, but alas 😭

[summer flower]

Ohh that would be sick

[proud vector]

What is this monstrosity

[summer flower]

That's just off meta talks

[proud vector]

w-what even is the goal of this team??

[summer flower]

Which one?

Both are monstrous

Or all? Dunno how many teams to count

[proud vector]

[valid palm]

to cook

(we managed to burn ice)

[summer flower]

Okay. So ember yvonne shatter I think isn't as good, Yvonne wants to consume solidification

[proud vector]

e-eh?

[summer flower]

But snownshine Estella endming Chen could work

Chen could be even replaced by ember

[valid palm]

Well you can still Shatter in Yvonne

[proud vector]

Yvonne just wants solidification active no?

[valid palm]

the point is that Yvonne applies two, but only consumes one during ult

[summer flower]

Consumes on ultimate

[proud vector]

O

[summer flower]

Maybe

There is window

In which you can shatter

[rugged cape]

Hello , do art reactions snapshot? EX: I combust with Wulf , then use whatever amp such as Antal Ult , does the subsequent burn ticks increase in damage or remain as applied?

[valid palm]

"If the enemy is Solidified, Yvonne performs an additional attack that deals Cryo DMG and then consumes the enemy's Solidification."

[summer flower]

And Yvonne still does that last hit which eats solidification

[valid palm]

last hit on ult

[summer flower]

So maybe there is something to be cooked here

Now question when it checks that

[valid palm]

But you're still going to be doing at least two solidifications

One to trigger her combo, and the one that gets applied by that combo

the second can be used for her ult, the first can be shattered, along with any extras depending on your rotation

[proud vector]

Combo one isn’t always going to land because boss can move but

Yeah

Two

[summer flower]

Ohh wait

[summer flower]

Second could also be consumed if timing is right

[proud vector]

You want to shatter the first one from battle skill. It consumed stacks so it is higher level

[summer flower]

Shatter both

Even one that's in ultimate

If it's checks once on start

[proud vector]

The combo skill one is just lv 1 though… ultimate gets more value no?

[summer flower]

It says if enemy has solidification, but when does check it?

[valid palm]

If you're really tryharding, you can delay Estella's combo as long as possible to maximize shatter uptime so that Yvonne squeezes out slightly more crit on her basics

[proud vector]

There usually isn’t enough of a window between check for soliditfy and consumption

[valid palm]

but most of her damage is in her ult anyway, so I don't think it matters that much

[summer flower]

Was it tested?

[proud vector]

Not personally at least

You can go for it I suppose

[gritty olive]

it should screenshot

lemme try with laev

[proud vector]

-# screenshot he says

[rugged cape]

I just tested and it doesnt

[gritty olive]

yeah i know it gets the point across

fret not over it

[proud vector]

Fair

[rugged cape]

its getting actively increased

[valid palm]

yeah part of the beauty of Yvonne shatter is that her first Solidification lets you "double dip" on infliction stacks when you have multiple

Because more stacks amps the Solidification damage and the Shatter damage

so trying to shatter the one stack from her combo isn't really worth the headache of just letting her ult consume it normally

[pure spoke]

Tangtang when

[valid palm]

8 days

[pure spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-endfield-tangtang-wuling-jump-gif-5889053850376434839

[bronze plume]

after yvonne

[dawn patrol]

stupid version making me wait like 25 days for rossi

[tranquil cedar]

Chief come first

[pure spoke]

I would have kms if tangtang was after rossi

[tranquil cedar]

Chief>Capo

[gritty olive]

Might be doing this wrong

[dawn patrol]

at least it means more time to save ig

[rugged cape]

Combust -> let it tick at least once , use Antal ult -> see if it increases .. and it does when I try Perlica bs->wulf cs ->antal ult

[gritty olive]

Yeah i got duped

My antal is level 1

I hope we have some energy food

[summer flower]

Ohh tang tang is first?

[rugged cape]

its the very first one in the crafting menu I think

[summer flower]

Gonna be saving for rossi

So only dossier pulls for tang tang

[gritty olive]

@rugged cape

Guess so then

Ive been under the impression that reaction damage doesnt consider other factors aside from def and res mult but it evidently does

[rugged cape]

it should be , incoming things together with intensity , element and atk

[gritty olive]

1325 -> 1441 = 1.087

[rugged cape]

and it seems at least reactions dont snapshot

1.087 is correct since antal lvl 1 is 8% and his first potential is 1.1x ult effect

[gritty olive]

yeah

anyways by me then

[dawn patrol]

monika misinfo what has the world come to

[gritty olive]

im just gonna go play hsr

[dawn patrol]

noooooooooo not the sloprail 💔

[gritty olive]

better than midbus

where every fight is just winrate

and the shock centipede dies in 4 turns instead of 1

[dawn patrol]

saying sloprail is better than limbus is an insane take i'm sorry monika

i may have to revoke your goat status

[gritty olive]

sigmas dont take the corporate ladder for significance and recognition

[bronze plume]

im sorry monika but that ones just a L

[pure spoke]

How do people insult arknights? I see funny names with midbus and sloprail

[gritty olive]

insults in arknights are more character revolved

not gamr revolced

eyj*fj*ll*

[gritty olive]

pascualita forever espanol dub

[wanton notch]

I know what post it coming from

[gritty olive]

yeah like chnaltr

[gritty olive]

theres also some insults against skadi

the only 6* guard who cant increase her reach with a skill

[dawn patrol]

holy passenger slander in the big 26

[echo cove]

Does t2 ult extend stagger?

It just immobilize, no?

[edgy crater]

main culprit dat make module exist

[icy remnant]

I think they will still want TangTang
The thing is Yvonne brings more problems than she actually solves

Not really TangTangs fault

Also you can just use Last rite

[drifting quest]

It really depends on numbers

[echo cove]

Does tangtang ult extend stagger?

[drifting quest]

We dont know

[echo cove]

Hmmm i see

[drifting quest]

There's one example of stagger but the boss staggers post ult cast

[potent hornet]

question....are they really making us sign into a seperate service for a daily login?

[pulsar sail]

Does two of the same weapons give the same amount of weapon experience (separately) as a weapon where the they instead combined by potential? example do 6 six weapons of the same set give the same experience as a max protential weapon of the same model?

[pulsar sail]

skport you mean?

[potent hornet]

yea

is this a common thing in gatchas?

[pulsar sail]

yes it is, its usually just a way to get you on the platform every day. like when they give out miniscule rewards for doing something.

[potent hornet]

is it run by gryphline?

[pulsar sail]

likely not directly, I mean I think I even saw posts about recruiting for being a moderator on there, a wiki editor, and some other things, but they do own it.

[potent hornet]

hmmm, alright, with the orb economy the way it is i can't really say no lol

TangTang is around the corner and i need every pull i can get. Hopefully there isn't a data breach

[glass birch]

Doesnt look like it from the dev log. Considering stagger damage is dependant on the meter, not the animation the boss is in

[echo cove]

Rip

[unreal light]

What does the “Ima waveridah” mean?

I can’t grasp if this is some English I am Water but twisted

Cause tangtang doesn’t know how to spell it

[drifting quest]

I am a wave rider

[summer flower]

I'm wave rider

[drifting quest]

She surfs

[unreal light]

Oh thank you

[unreal light]

Thank you shuo

[unreal light]

That’s clever

[brisk pecan]

it's canon that she can't read/write

[ashen scroll]

Women

[pure spoke]

where is Nearl?

[gritty olive]

fully explored

[potent hornet]

god i'm hoping for int main stat cryo dmg gear in 1.1

[pulsar sail]

just confirmed that the ranked up potential weapon equals the amount of weapons that rank represents.
4 star weapon is 1500x experiance for every potential rank it has it seems.

[ashen scroll]

You mean the lower the rarity the cheaper the exp cost to upgrade?

[pulsar sail]

no what i meant, but let me check, and make it less vague.
Arms INSP Kit: 1,000 xp
4 star weapon at level 1: 1,500 xp
5 star weapon at elvel 1: 10,000 xp
Arms INSP Set: 10,000 xp
6 star weapon at level 1: 30,000 xp

[ashen scroll]

So how much exp the weapon grant?
I cant believe My english comprehension is this bad

[pulsar sail]

no its not bad, i just wasn't clear, and taking a while to respond.

[ashen scroll]

Watching the stream footage kinda hoping t2 ult actualy freeze debuff timers but its looks like only stunt enemies movement

If it actualy does stop debuff timer she might be become the real potential girl

[pure spoke]

damn i got warned because i was offtopic in this channel. wtf
~~
does lr work with yvonne? in theory?~~

[bronze plume]

thats

interesting

[pure spoke]

mods hate me apparently. or does reporting work too ? ~~ does lr work with yvonne? in theory?~~

[bronze plume]

also no they just dont work together

[pulsar sail]

Uh, I'm starting to get a headache it seems I was wrong, I just noticed that when using the same weapon with different potentials the experience is not the same, a 5 star weapon at level 1 provides 10,000 experiance, but a 5 star weapon at level one with potential rank two provides 11,000 experience, I'm not sure whats going anymore the experiance for a max potential and rank 2 potential seemed to be the same for a 5 star weapon.

[pure spoke]

wdym with provide?

[drifting quest]

Lmao??

[pure spoke]

oh u mean leveling them up does lr work with yvonne? in theory?

[drifting quest]

What is with warnings being so mismatched

NSFW stuff? Misinfo? Arguments? No warn
Offtopic? Gacha results? Insta warn

[pure spoke]

must be a chen hater does lr work with yvonne? in theory?

[potent hornet]

yes, as long as you are willing to give up her combo dmg and another dmg buff support

i guess you could build ult bot LR and throw a ton of ult gain on her

as a sub dps

[pulsar sail]

I was curious if a weapon with potential raised once would provide the same experience as two weapons, (I was checking to see how experience is conserved when used to raise the level of other weapons) like if I used all my extra 4 star weapons would merging them to raise the potential to save room give the same experience as keeping them all separate? but that doesn't appear to be the case.

experience looks like its wasted if you you merge weapons, especially with ranked 5 (not like you would need too), its marginal, and a lot of experiance is lost, but 4 star weapons seem to conserve more experiance when used to raise potential, but perfectly.

[gritty briar]

well that sucks. i was planning on feeding some of my old merged 5 star weapons if i got desperate enough later

[oak vigil]

okay so, progress so far with this:

I can kill Deep Dive Rhodagn with this in 4-5 staggers
Oh my lord I need to do essence shit again NOOOOO

Without any proper essences besides for Perlica's Wild Wanderer, but still

this is so jarring, I dont wanna, sob

[unreal light]

Wha huh

[oak vigil]

Without essences, I thought to test out even without purple ones

[unreal light]

It also seems as if your weapon level is far from 90

[oak vigil]

It’s not like bad bad, but I hope you get my point

Perlica’s Wild Wanderer is lvl 90 but Arclight’s Twelve Questions is lvl 80

Akekuri’s and Ardelia’s weapons are like lvl 20 and lvl 60 lol

[unreal light]

12q is weaker than thermite to be honest

😢

I mean it obviously changes from rot to rot

But in my 52 sec rotation, thermite Arclight does more damage output than 12q Arclight

[oak vigil]

I… am confused, hold on, one second, I need to check passives again

Okay so I just checked and isn’t it supposed to be the opposite way? Arclight gets 18% attack boost (2 stacks) from Twelve Questions

(no essences)

[unreal light]

As uncanny as this sounds

That’s p0 thermite

[oak vigil]

Huh, well damn

I don’t have thermite cutter 💔

Also I just rechecked TC’s passives, it just gives 10% attack buff to the wielded unconditionally anyway besides on so regen effect buff, so I can see why it outdamages it

18% (12q) and 20% (TC)

[unreal light]

Just because thermite has 79 more basic atk, more %atk from middle stat, %atk from third stat and from the passive

[oak vigil]

Hmmmm, I see, fair enough

[unreal light]

There are 39% atk in the middle stat

16% atk at p0 3rd stat
16% atk at p0 passive

[oak vigil]

Oh I was just typing solely about the third stat of the weapons as a comparison

[unreal light]

I was extremely surprised, because I wanted to use 12q on her

Second has more increase cause 6* wep, and there is wild random non-conditional atk% in third stat of thermite

[unreal light]

Perchance you have weapon box still at you?

Cause you don’t play oblivion perlica for some reason

[oak vigil]

I did use weapon box for a copy of oblivion

But oh well, now gonna suffer slightly my own consequences

[potent hornet]

i am ready for another source of wuling stock bills

[chilly bolt]

when is the update again

[potent hornet]

tuesday next week i think

for US

[chilly bolt]

oh then i guess it's monday for asia

[potent hornet]

yea something like that.

i'm farming up credit and leveling mat with the sanity discount to make sure i can level up TangTang if i get her

[edgy crater]

if u got her

[potent hornet]

i probably will, i have everyone but Lifeng atm

[edgy crater]

remember u can stil get spook by yvonne

[glass birch]

unless you 120

[potent hornet]

i mean that will be fine

[chilly bolt]

do i really have to farm tcredit

[edgy crater]

u do khang

[potent hornet]

now would be a good time to do it

i bought all mine in the stock exchange sadly

[edgy crater]

everything use tcred

[glass birch]

isnt hnaf the one with like 302 tcreds or was that someone else?

[edgy crater]

even tho the stage so ass

[chilly bolt]

ive never touch tcred stage, until now

[drifting quest]

Just watch yourselves discussing these things

[chilly bolt]

how much does it give

[edgy crater]

308

[drifting quest]

They're channel banning for off topic now

[glass birch]

LOL I was close

[drifting quest]

#off-topic or #endfield instead of theorycrafting now

[chilly bolt]

i blame hnaf for offtopic

get him officer

[potent hornet]

efficient farming methods for the event isn't theorycrafting?

the thread isn't dps theorycrafting

[glass birch]

weird way to spell Khangsaw

[drifting quest]

Its combat only

Mods have said

Same way aic talk isnt allowed

Im not saying you have to agree but those are the rules being enforced now

[chilly bolt]

sad we're getting ako level of modding now

[bronze plume]

nah you can still do sexual innuendos and be fine

[drifting quest]

Lmao

Actually insane

[unreal light]

As uncanny as this sounds, potentials give WAY LESS than you expect them to give

Cause you’re only upgrading 3rd stat

[oak vigil]

freaky theory crafting (combat related)

[edgy crater]

how much pot obli give? 2-4%?

like the 3rd line

[chilly bolt]

weapon pot all work the same way, they give tiny improvement from p1 to p4, but for some reason they spike at p5

[calm field]

p5 or gay

[ashen scroll]

Does discussion about why operators attire looks the way they does and what its contribution for combat are acceptable topic? ,
for example snowshine midrif were design such way to reduce weight and increase aerodynamic just like professional snowboarder does to their suit

[drifting quest]

Thats nsfw so its okay

Apparently

[ashen scroll]

Oh aight good to know

[drifting quest]

(It isnt actually allowed before I get nuked for saying so)

[brisk pecan]

too late

mods gettem

[drifting quest]

I mean atp

Several tc'ers got channel banned

They arent coming back

Im probably quitting as well atp

[ashen scroll]

What why lmao

[chilly bolt]

can i ask whom got banned

[drifting quest]

Offtopic

Morbika got channel banned for a gif of passenger

[bronze plume]

ive been off topic plenty can i get banned

[ashen scroll]

No warn and instantly nuked?

[drifting quest]

Pepper got warned but isnt channel banned for posting gacha history asking about the math of it

Warned + channel banned

[dawn patrol]

what the fuck the passenger slander actually got monika channel banned?

[drifting quest]

Yes

[ashen scroll]

knowing there is only few that do actual TC and calc in this ch , the ch probably doomed

[dawn patrol]

feels a bit much innit

[drifting quest]

No warns for all the innuendos, nsfw posts, etc
No warns for misinfo
No warns for arguments

[bronze plume]

it will probably maybe get new people in at some point maybe

[brisk pecan]

has there been a mod change or smth

[drifting quest]

But warn and insta channel ban for minor offtopic

[potent hornet]

i got warned for a gatcha post like weeks ago

[unreal light]

Pot0 -> Pot1 = 4,6% dmg increase

6 ba strings, 3 BS, 3 arts bursts, 2 combo, ult and finisher

On a span of 52 seconds

[chilly bolt]

they do be backreading ye

[drifting quest]

I wouldnt be shocked if I get nuked for complaining

Same as anyone else who has

In that event then feel free to ping me in guoba's server or like prydwen I guess

[lilac bloom]

is there a server that has the tcs or like a reliable source of their info

[drifting quest]

I'll be sheeting day 1 of 1.1

[ashen scroll]

I imagine there is alot other server that actualy take TC seriously ,

[dawn patrol]

getting nuked for discussing the situation would be actually insane

i need y'all here to do numbers man idk how to do math

[unreal light]

Not really spike

The increase is doubled at p5

For example, if you gain +1% atk for team buff at p0-p4 thermite

At p5 you’ll gain +2% (which is double the amount of every previous increases)

And that works for every weapon

[drifting quest]

EFO is the most active (public) tc server for now

[unreal light]

What’s efo

[lilac bloom]

endfield O?

[drifting quest]

But with some now banned and others going with them others will pop up

Official

This server

[lilac bloom]

:/

ig ill join guoba's

if i need help from a tc

[ashen scroll]

Well it always happen

Official server is just starting point

[drifting quest]

Most TC is in invite only groups anyway

[ashen scroll]

[drifting quest]

It'll just reinforce that

[unreal light]

Isn’t guoba the guy who writes for prydwen?

[dawn patrol]

mfw tcing will be even more inaccessible for the average player

[drifting quest]

Guoba doesnt write for prydwen, they have writers who borrow his guides

E.g. the yvonne stuff was updated based on guoba and lin's videos

[unreal light]

I believe at some point it was announced that they work together

Might be for hsr

[drifting quest]

Launch stuff was a lot of guobas yeah

[chilly bolt]

i call this akeo

[drifting quest]

Im writing stuff for prydwen right now, for example

Should go up for 1.1

If they use it

[unreal light]

You’re a prydwen writer?

[drifting quest]

No

[dawn patrol]

independent contractor type shit

[unreal light]

You want to become their writer?

[drifting quest]

I'm writing amendments and corrections which is being sent via guoba or lin for them to consider

[summer flower]

How much DMG loss is from having perlica avyenna duo?

[unreal light]

You mean just these two?

[summer flower]

Yea

[unreal light]

I don’t have rotation for them ready

[ashen scroll]

I imagine they need alot of data needed, so having alot input probably to ease overall work

[dawn patrol]

shuo do you have opinions about rossi kit and teams yet

[drifting quest]

A bunch

[unreal light]

It’s very biased towards having the buffs uptime

[drifting quest]

Im working on a vibecraft doc

[summer flower]

It's about Chen endmin + perlica avyenna

[drifting quest]

Tangtang is half done

Then rossi

[chilly bolt]

feelscrafting

[edgy crater]

u don't wait for number?

[dawn patrol]

better to start now and fix later

[summer flower]

Its what numbers look for something I was doing

[drifting quest]

Its using the numbers we know

But im doing brunt work now before numbers

So that its less work day 1 of patch

[summer flower]

Like avyenna is capable to launch only using SP left over from other duo

[drifting quest]

I can sheet the teams day 1 and update

[dawn patrol]

actually shuo do we know if rossi bs sq2 and cs sq2 are actually extra energy or if they add up to be the normal energy amount

[unreal light]

I can’t really tell the number, cause I put stagger buildup into the consideration, and perlicas electrification is delayed towards stagger

[drifting quest]

Both cases are accounted for

But it's almost certainly the former

Since they show off seq1 only

[summer flower]

How you get to number, so maybe I can do same steps?

[chilly bolt]

reminds me when chalter released and people counted pixel to calculate her dmg, and it was very close

[drifting quest]

Yeah I mean I have ranges for combo skills, ult costs

[unreal light]

But do you want to work with them, like without intermediaries

[drifting quest]

Extras like sp refund on tangtang

[dawn patrol]

sucks that we don't have any actual damage numbers though

[potent hornet]

i'm hoping they start giving us some this weekend

[drifting quest]

Doesn't bother me much I enjoy it
I don't want the pressure of deadlines and being blamed if I am wrong or outdated though, since things change so often in endfield

Ive got a life too, plus things i want to

[dawn patrol]

push comes to shove we'll get rossi numbers on the 12th ig

[drifting quest]

Prydwen writing is near the bottom of my list

[potent hornet]

thats true

[unreal light]

Well I build up the rotation, record it multiple times, to check every single attack string each operator does, then write it down and account for every single buff how much each skill or atk seq does

[summer flower]

Ohh

[dawn patrol]

surely after i graduate i'll just get a job at hg and leak insider information

[potent hornet]

did horny just get warned?

[drifting quest]

LP has a good calc, close to sim level (manual input)

Depending on what they do with it

Should make tc more accessible

[unreal light]

No

[potent hornet]

oh ok i saw a post from you and it vanished

[solemn pasture]

i wish for more tangtang details rah

[ashen scroll]

He is at gunpoint rn

[solemn pasture]

the update's on the 12th right? in like 9 days?

[potent hornet]

yerp

[solemn pasture]

i'm kinda wondering if tangtang's combo only procs off herself or off other operators as well

probably only herself which is gonna be sad

[unreal light]

I’m a lawful netizen

[dawn patrol]

isn't it just off any inflict

[solemn pasture]

i would love for it to be off any inflict

[dawn patrol]

or am i misremembering

[solemn pasture]

there's no precise wording

[drifting quest]

Im pretty sure its any

[solemn pasture]

just says off inflict or arts burst, but no mention by whom

[drifting quest]

And theres the 2 combat video

Tangtang combo is just personal damage anyway

[solemn pasture]

because if it's off any and has a low cooldown, could replace a flex spot on current cryo teams

didn't it have an sp aspect to it?

lemme rewatch the vid brb

[glass birch]

Sets up arts susceptibility from her bs though

[drifting quest]

Sp refund per waterspout yes

[dawn patrol]

the more important thing is the waterspouts isn't it

[unreal light]

So uh it basically looks like this

[brisk pecan]

wouldn't this be for only her (?)

[ashen scroll]

I dont think they would locked combo skill with something like that , its so dum if they di

[edgy crater]

should be yeah

[drifting quest]

But minimal amount (15 or so)
Rotation bricking
Nothing for her susc or infliction

[solemn pasture]

nvm no sp im actually dumb

[oak vigil]

From any, not just herself

[fathom spear]

refund only

[solemn pasture]

pretty interested to see what the arts susceptibility for this is, guh i want the numbers now man

[unreal light]

They don’t publish anything, I don’t think they got much deadlines haha

[edgy crater]

w8, if other op end tang2 ulti, does it count as tang2 applied cryo stack or not?

[drifting quest]

Deadline is 1.1 release

For next major site update

[glass birch]

Its the ult that'd be applying it

[summer flicker]

its the ult

[drifting quest]

So thats 20 units or whatnot to do before the 12th

[unreal light]

I thought as if you wanted to uh, get a side job from them, or achieve your dreams by publishing at their website, like that

[summer flicker]

it just plunge is a condition

to make ult pop

[edgy crater]

so tang2 ulti wont trigger her cs?

[drifting quest]

I dont get paid for it and I dont want credit anyway

So i wouldnt be named

[dawn patrol]

why so humble

[drifting quest]

Its purely for the love of the game

[solemn pasture]

lesgo

[glass birch]

It should? Isn't wolf's combo also "when arts infliction is applied"? And not "When user applies arts infliction"

[summer flicker]

trgger, ofc, cyro infliction or art burst

[edgy crater]

[drifting quest]

Every tc thing I do is because I want to

[edgy crater]

welp need to test it

[drifting quest]

Sheet the units I want to

[bronze plume]

when you finna sheet dps ardelia

[dawn patrol]

you want to sheet rossi so bad

[drifting quest]

Technically for rossi lmao

Im gonna sheet dps ard stuff

[oak vigil]

If there was a specification, it more likely would have been written like Xiahi’s combo skill (when controlled operator lands a finishing strike) as an example

[glass birch]

Ew gross. Leave the poor little lupino out of your fetishes

[ashen scroll]

What

[dawn patrol]

what are you on about mate

[ashen scroll]

Projecting much?

[glass birch]

Its an English pun on the pronunciation of "sheet"

[solemn pasture]

ahhh gotcha

[terse raptor]

[summer flicker]

[dawn patrol]

i was kinda hyped for monika rossi sheet but uh monika's in the shadow realm now

[real mist]

what weapon should I use for xiahi in yvonne/gilb/xiahi/perlica team?

[potent hornet]

deto unit

[summer flicker]

det

[edgy crater]

oh nice but w8, if her cs can proc from any cryo stack, on lr team, u can delay her cs so it can get ardel corrosion lol

[summer flicker]

her combo didnt apply cyro tho

[hollow wyvern]

so slept on it, decided I want yvonne p1

[edgy crater]

yeah, but with lr fs, u can delay her cs to get more damage from ardel corro

[hollow wyvern]

got her in 50 pity, I'll take it

my first 50/50 win ever

[real mist]

got no det or the other one that needs healing

[summer flicker]

chilvaric is fine too

like 1% worse

or sth

[potent hornet]

doesn't have it

[edgy crater]

so like lr fs -> ardel cs w8 3s -> tang2 cs

[hollow wyvern]

watch them make MI body piece with ER% line to fck me over

[summer flicker]

oh you wait for corosion for the damage

hmm

[edgy crater]

yeah

[real mist]

just said I got no chiv or det

[summer flicker]

i mean, sure if she really have dmg

🙏

[edgy crater]

pray so lmao

[solemn pasture]

wonder if tangtang will have good dmg as an off dps

[potent hornet]

you are in a rough spot then.

[real mist]

should I swap out xiahi instead if I got no other alternative weapons for her?

[hollow wyvern]

surely she will

[solemn pasture]

what arts units do you have

[potent hornet]

xaihi ult is good enough

[hollow wyvern]

self sufficient, wep gives self cryo buff, they focused on her dmg output in vid

[edgy crater]

losing 50+% amp? lol no

[potent hornet]

and her BS buff

[real mist]

already have avywenna team, just making yvonne team as a new one

[summer flicker]

hmm use ardelia weapon

and max stack int

you should get like 900~1000 int

kekw

[potent hornet]

that might work

[edgy crater]

yeah, starry ironically work for genius xaihi lmao

[potent hornet]

better than nothing

[solemn pasture]

shit i might need to get a 2nd copy of starry now

that'd be hilarious

[summer flicker]

you get like an extra of 1000-670 = 330 x 0.03 ~9% amp to 10% amp

ofc less than det or chilvaric buff

but better than nothing

[solemn pasture]

still funny

[real mist]

maybe I should try to get new weapons in yvonne's weapon banner

[potent hornet]

if you are attempting trims then you can always start off with xaihi with starry then before you do your first hit swap out to whatever you decide to use for her so ard can have her sig back

[unreal light]

I should bangbang tangtang

[summer flicker]

just save, ifyou want yvonne weapon then pll, if not then skip