theorycrafting

[midnight stirrup]

cause u can create a perfect scenario at bro

now compare them in all other combat scenarios

lr will cook yvonne

[daring dove]

Any comparsion that allows you to pre-cast skills before you attack the boss is irrelevant to me.

Timer starts when you start casting skills not when you hit the enemy.

[tight haven]

yvonne DOES consistently appear to clear umbral 2 stages faster

at low pot

like p1-2 iirc

again

playing PERFECTLY

[midnight stirrup]

both umbral 2?

[tight haven]

all three

[midnight stirrup]

theres three?

[tight haven]

i havent seen low pot lr clears as fast as yvonne low pot clears

[midnight stirrup]

are we referring to stage 2 in both sections

or

umbral 2 all 3 stages

[tight haven]

its like 20s for 2-1

40s for 2-2 and 2-3

[drifting quest]

as much as the yvonne slander was funny

she's kinda owning lr in most metrics right now

[tight haven]

is she though

[midnight stirrup]

propaganda

[drifting quest]

yeah

[tight haven]

i have literally only seen low pot yvonne clearing low pot lr

[drifting quest]

faster in basically every stage at equal investments

if you compare cost

yvonne tends to have more issues

since she's higher cost gated thanks to gilb

[tight haven]

i havent seen any p5p5 comparisons

[thorn shore]

the fact were even struggling this hard to possibly call a limited better than a standard is pretty bad for the limited anyway

[tight haven]

to be entirely fair to lr yes yvonne does just

stop existing

without gilb

[viscid crow]

yvonne's best weapon is her own one right

[tight haven]

yes

[midnight stirrup]

lr also has a lot more team flexibility

than yvonne

[tight haven]

she does

[edgy crater]

technically ange her best weap kek

[midnight stirrup]

can use ardelia gilb akekuri

[tight haven]

tbf that doesnt REALLY matter

[edgy crater]

shuo, dat comparison with ange or not?

[daring dove]

I'll be able to do P5/P2 versus P5/P2 soon, an Tangtang may fix the Gilberta requirement we'll see.

[midnight stirrup]

it does

[drifting quest]

yvonne is not a unit (within the scope of this comparison) without gilb

[tight haven]

well for this conversation

we're assuming absolute optimal invest and play

[midnight stirrup]

lr performs equal/better/worse in a small margin apparently

[edgy crater]

ok make sense lmao

[midnight stirrup]

without needing gilb

yvonne needs gilb

[tight haven]

it is not even a comparison if we're talking about like

[midnight stirrup]

ardelia was free

akekuri was free

[tight haven]

ease-of-use or practicality

yvonne is HILARIOUSLY impractical

by every metric

[midnight stirrup]

even if u compare speedruns

[drifting quest]

i mean lr can be pretty clunky as well

[midnight stirrup]

umbral might favor yvonne rn

wait till next umbral

see whos on top

[daring dove]

Obviously LR's team is more F2P friendly but that's not really the argument.

[drifting quest]

once we get out of optimal timelining and introduce skill issue

[tight haven]

that she can, but yvonne is even more so

[midnight stirrup]

LR is gonna have more use cases than yvonne watch

[tight haven]

needing another lim to function, be it tangtang or gilb is an awful look

[thorn shore]

i loved at the start of the game hearing every LR player complain about slow moveset

it was hilarious

[edgy crater]

nah, u mean both lol

[tight haven]

no

yvonne works fine with just gilb

tangtang being un upscale is likely but unconfirmed

[drifting quest]

the tc one of the other group chats were doing

had tangtang assumed better than she is

so it kinda ruins everything that was going on

there's a valid discussion now about tangtang not even being added

[tight haven]

yea

[drifting quest]

lmao

[midnight stirrup]

we should prob wait for tantang regardless to release to decide

cause

[tight haven]

tangtang being optimal is not a sure thing

[drifting quest]

yeah i mean

its all vibes

[tight haven]

we shouldnt take it as a given

[drifting quest]

we only have some numbers

[midnight stirrup]

the trend of unreleased char getting doomposted then suddenly being good is seeping into akef too

[drifting quest]

cooldowns uptimes/lengths and ult costs

[midnight stirrup]

wdym yvonne was trash and now shes suddenly top contender

[tight haven]

shes not

im gonna keep being mean about her

[drifting quest]

its just tangtang went from yeah this unit is kinda cracked to oh this unit might not be as good as assumed and just be a flex pick

[tight haven]

she just controls like shit dude

and even then she beats out lr times by like

[midnight stirrup]

i mean u said earlier she beats lr

[tight haven]

matters of seconds

she does

[midnight stirrup]

lr is basically the best char in the game prior to that

cause laev sucks ass

[tight haven]

but like its not a CRAZY upscale

[drifting quest]

beating lr doesnt make her a top contender

because that implies lr is a top contender

[tight haven]

like we excuse laev being objectively shit for clear times because shes undeniably the best dps in the game bar none

[daring dove]

She was never trash, it was always the case her an LR where close to be honest. To call Yvonne trash it to also call her competitor pretty bad.

[midnight stirrup]

dont backpedal now

[tight haven]

with extreme ease-of-use, survivability and dumb scaling

[midnight stirrup]

this chat has been calling her trash constantly

[daring dove]

But she could of been argued to be redundant.

[midnight stirrup]

lets not sugarcoat it now

lmao

[edgy crater]

she shit when ange doesnt exist

[tight haven]

im really not backing down from it personally every time i use yvonne i just get frustrated

[drifting quest]

yvonne was bad because she was missing a proper timeline for a proper team, gilb comps were not the norm, she didnt have artzy, etc

[edgy crater]

basically if compaaring 1 to 1

[midnight stirrup]

she is duh

https://giphy.com/gifs/arknights-endfield-last-rite-WQbHWNqqB27O83smTb

[drifting quest]

it has been several tiers of new discoveries and improvements, more tc, etc for yvonne to get her glow up

[drifting quest]

and she still isnt even all that

[edgy crater]

ok shuo, at 1 to 1, lr or yvonne being better

[blissful pine]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mOgJmf8nDiI then theres krakens like this guy that whaled so hard that he uses yvonne as a nuke

[drifting quest]

compared to the 'better' teams

[drifting quest]

i wouldnt ever say one over the other without context

[chilly bolt]

This one is lr+Yvonne

[daring dove]

I think we're in with a good chance of Ice being the strongest team during 1.1 to be honest. Which flavour of that team is TBC.

[blissful pine]

ik but yvonne is doing the nuke

[drifting quest]

would be a stretch based on current info

unless they just start giga shilling

[edgy crater]

which context do u think not favoring any op

[thorn shore]

phys might be insane with rossi now no?

[tight haven]

everything works rn so any conversation about "the best" cannot end with the conclusion that certain ops are "unusable"

[drifting quest]

doesnt look like it

rossi kit is

[tight haven]

thats my only take here

[drifting quest]

not great, if we're minmax tc'ing

[edgy crater]

cause if its solo time/kit wise, lr win for sure

[midnight stirrup]

downgrade

[tight haven]

i still think yvonne sucks because she demands so much from you to work

[thorn shore]

oh wow so is rossi not going anywhere other than rossi team

[midnight stirrup]

i mean id wait till she releases

[drifting quest]

most of the rossi teams are built around her as a dps yes

[edgy crater]

nah enion, needing ange already downgrade

[midnight stirrup]

opinions tend to differ prerelease to release

[chilly bolt]

Rossi is having Yvonne situation again

[drifting quest]

rossi phys support
rossi phys carry
rossi arts support
rossi arts carry
rossi arts hypercarry
rossi arts triple dps
rossi shatter wheelchair

current list

[tight haven]

yes imo needing gilb is a warning sign

[midnight stirrup]

we dont have full info either anyway

on either char

[thorn shore]

please tangtang and rossi be useless so i can save for mi fu and zhuang

incredible

[midnight stirrup]

i deleted the game

1.1 didnt satisfy me

[edgy crater]

[edgy crater]

n its basically lr vs ange yvonne

which is obvious yvonne win lol

[hollow raptor]

what were you holding out for

[midnight stirrup]

i had higher expectations from the patch with all the surveys they dropped

but it feels very filler with how much they added

[hollow raptor]

current cope i see online is that it was recorded 2 weeks into launch or something

[outer ermine]

🤝 hand the acc over for testing shit

[midnight stirrup]

ill think about it

[daring dove]

I mean 1.1 was always going to be a filler patch to be honest.

[drifting quest]

i mean it'll take some time for big scale improvements to happen

[midnight stirrup]

yeah thats fair

[hollow raptor]

for me 1.1 was also disappointing, though not enough to drop the game just yet

[drifting quest]

for what was added in 1.1 its a pretty fast turnaround

[midnight stirrup]

im not gonna stick around tho to wait on that tho

ill be back when its actually here

[drifting quest]

but there's no reason not to take a break

if you dont like it

yeah

[midnight stirrup]

doing dailies for 2m everyday in a release window sucks ass and feels like a chore

[drifting quest]

its a game so once it becomes a chore for you its time to tap out

[midnight stirrup]

not like i need to save for anything rn anyway

yeah

[hollow raptor]

i've stopped doing everything except transfering depot jobs (takes 1 min), the outpost stuff (takes 1 min) and then burning stamina

[midnight stirrup]

i would play still if my ps5 was at my place

but its at my moms now

and i cbb doing the daily phone shit

phone sucks

[thorn shore]

i do dijiang, stock distribution, burn stam, and trading items for stock bills

then log off

but now i have 2k+ stam to burn bc the stam discount thing is limited daily

so uh

[midnight stirrup]

ive been playing re9

been amazing

actual cinema game

[thorn shore]

i played some marathon server slam

its really fun with a good trio

idk if ill buy but its fun

[midnight stirrup]

idk that one

[thorn shore]

its another extraction shooter

had an open test period a few days before launch

[hollow raptor]

cuz it's an actual game

[daring dove]

69th Extraction shooter released this month how exciting.

[hollow raptor]

i'll be honest i still need to look up what genre of games that is

[midnight stirrup]

i mean tbf

[thorn shore]

except its from bungie the same people that killed destiny 2 after i put 2k hours into it so my readiness to buy is at an all time low despite the game being good currently

[midnight stirrup]

its not just an actual game

its one of the best releases over the last few years

expedition 33 ahh rating

[drifting quest]

i tried out overwatch again for the first time in nearly a decade and have been having fun

but also bl*zzard entertainment

[midnight stirrup]

right?

[hollow raptor]

nothing can top e33 for me personally, especially the music

[midnight stirrup]

ow is kinda redeeming itself recently with ow

playerbase been reviving

[midnight stirrup]

completely different games

[hollow raptor]

i listened to it so much its composer ended up 2nd most listened to on spotify for me and i was so confused who that was until i realized

[daring dove]

Looks great, but it's the type of game that'll entertain you for 40 hours, or if you're lucky 80. Then you'll never want to touch it again.

[drifting quest]

feels like a new game so relaunch went pretty well id say

[midnight stirrup]

whats wrong with that

[drifting quest]

but also last time i played it was the original overwatch

[midnight stirrup]

thats always how games worked

you go in for the experience

[tight haven]

yeah

[midnight stirrup]

not for replayability

[tight haven]

if i want a replayable game im playing like

mewgenics

lmao

[midnight stirrup]

ill replay any fromsoft or skyrim

but replayable games arent actually replayable bc when u get bored ur bored

[thorn shore]

lots of gamers nowadays not liking story games and caught up in the live service trend not willing to put 40 hours into something

[hollow raptor]

i'll take 40 hours of e33 over 1000 hours of any gacha 10 out of 10 times (99.99% of those were logging in, doing the same circus trick, logging out)

[midnight stirrup]

nah fr

[daring dove]

I mean some games can keep your attention for 1,000's of hours. Live Service games & single player experiences are kind of the difference between a Movie & a TV series.

[midnight stirrup]

getting 2% of the story every 6 weeks

based

so good

[drifting quest]

its time for your 4th attempt at lobotomy corporation day 50

lock in fellas

[tight haven]

i only play Real Games with my partners cuz if any of us dont do it with each other then none of us will play it ever again so this has meant that playing e33 has been a...

200 hour journey

[midnight stirrup]

Live service games suck ass bro

[drifting quest]

go play peak

[midnight stirrup]

Live service will never ever ever beat actual games

[tight haven]

because im a 100%er and my partners bicker over who gets to do the fights while the others watch

[hollow raptor]

limbus just kind of spoiled everything so motivation is low

[edgy crater]

singleplayer always like dat, unless u modding

[drifting quest]

spoiled everything how

[tight haven]

worth every second of it lowkey

[midnight stirrup]

are we rly comparing mediocre story being dripfed, characters you have to gamble for and some 2m combat events

to fucking

expedition 33

resident evil series

final fantasy

[drifting quest]

i didnt play lob corp until after canto 8 and I was spoiled on like

[midnight stirrup]

zelda

[daring dove]

By that logic TV series suck ass because you don't get the entire story in 1 sitting. Pretty bad take.

[drifting quest]

barely anything

[midnight stirrup]

monster hunter

be fr

[tight haven]

binah... EXISTS

[drifting quest]

no waying

[edgy crater]

u can compare ff n e33 to some degree

[midnight stirrup]

Its not even comparable

what are u on about

[tight haven]

bruh

LMAO

[midnight stirrup]

series have actual progression during each episode

[hollow raptor]

or rather, it's impossible to avoid lobcorp spoilers in general discussion. i know who ayin, carmen are. i know why lobcorp exists. i know what the ending is. it is what it is.

for what it's worth i'm much less spoiled on lor.

[midnight stirrup]

are we rly comparing that to gacha story updates

holy brainrot

[tight haven]

ok ok

whatever

i get it

some people just

REALLY

[thorn shore]

monster hunter is sort of a middle ground since were basically guaranteed a dlc that turns the game from a 70-80 to a 90-100

and mh does get consistent updates

[tight haven]

like gachas

[thorn shore]

theyre not huge updates but theyre consistent

[drifting quest]

if you got the ending spoiled it does ruin the story a bit i guess, but the experience is most of the point to play it

[midnight stirrup]

monster hunter is very replayable

[drifting quest]

ruina is just as peak

[midnight stirrup]

prob the best replayable game out there

personally

[drifting quest]

especially post canto 9

[tight haven]

i play em cuz i love gambling and logging in to do menial tasks to watch a number go up

[midnight stirrup]

monster hunter generations ultimate is peak

[daring dove]

It's 100% comparable. a TV series is a story that builds over time. Like a live service.... A single player story experience with a 40 hour level is like a movie where you get the whole story in 1 package...

[hollow raptor]

nah you can't possibly bait me by saying the experience of suffering through lobcorp of all things is it

[tight haven]

oh yeah thats fair

imho, as someone w friends who got into pm thru limbus

and were FULLY spoiled

[midnight stirrup]

Alright if you say so king

[drifting quest]

we suffer > we suffer > we suffer > we suffer > ok i beat it what day was that > oh that was only day 8 > we suffer > we suffer

[tight haven]

lob and lor are still VERY VERY enjoyable games

[hollow raptor]

i hear all the time about people making 1 tiny mistake and restarting for the 1494th time on day 27 or 42 or whatever

[tight haven]

pm's character writing has always been incredible and there are handicap mods for both games

[midnight stirrup]

imagine comparing game of thrones to a gacha story

pffttt

[tight haven]

if you just want an easy time

[hollow raptor]

maybe s8

or s7 was it

the one that was treated as a dumpster fire

[tight haven]

s8

[drifting quest]

HEEEELP ME RABBIT TEAM HEEEEEEEEEEEELP
I LET QUEENIE BREACH AGAIIN HEEEEEEEEEELP

[midnight stirrup]

id still argue those were better than any gacha story

[tight haven]

ive enjoyed a lot of gacha stories but hardly any of them are what i would consider high art

like

[daring dove]

You're just missing the point, sometimes a story isn't written in 1 block it evolves over time the same way a book series does. It doesn't mean single story books shouldn't exist or that they can't be entertaining.

[tight haven]

only r1999 and limbus are in that bracket for me

[drifting quest]

ill shill for base ak and limbus

[midnight stirrup]

striker whales for every character to their maximum potential tho, so it makes sense he favors live service

[drifting quest]

as good story

[tight haven]

arknights, maybe like...

lone trail gets in there

[midnight stirrup]

he rly likes live service

[tight haven]

yeah its a preference thing

idfk

[hollow raptor]

hot take but arknights (base) story is extremely overrated TO MY SUBJECTIVE eyes. limbus is peak though.

by base i mean not enfield

[midnight stirrup]

Theyre not comparable bc gacha story lacks quality and gets fed at a way slower pace than any series would

[hollow raptor]

endfield is hot garbage, no contest there i think

[midnight stirrup]

its been 6 years into genshin

and we only now know varka

[tight haven]

some people just listen to vibecore shit all day and think radiohead is unlistenable garbage because theres no le epic electronica drop

its fine

[midnight stirrup]

liyue archon quest was shopping

so peak

stretched out over 18 weeks

[teal pawn]

"garbage" is an overstatement

it's meh at worst

[midnight stirrup]

also

[hollow raptor]

for me personally the issue with genshin's story is less the writing and more the presentation of it. feels like a low budget 2004 game.

[daring dove]

That's just a blanket statement, lots of movies like quality, lots of single player games lack quality. With every medium their are exceptions.

[midnight stirrup]

who tf said

ff and e33 were comparable

i wanted to comment but got distracted

[tight haven]

imho this is only bad because so few gacha game studios understand how to do GOOD live-service stories

again only bluepoch and project moon seem to have understood the assignment at all

most gacha game stories are bad because they are unsatisfying dripfeeds or plainly feel like theyre being written on the fly

[midnight stirrup]

youre right

but every gacha sucks ass story wise

[hollow raptor]

we would get better stories if more gacha companies followed limbus style one major chapter whenever it's ready, irrespective of character banners, so they're free from warping story around selling new chars. but that has it's own issues, but still better than garbage every 6 weeks.

[midnight stirrup]

youre comparing them to e33 earlier

a sp story experience of a good game is way better than any gacha could achieve

have you played e33

ff7

[tight haven]

yeah i think most capital-GG gacha gamers if they did try limbus would have a heart attack hearing that story updates can take upwards of half a year to release

[midnight stirrup]

like anything good

[hollow raptor]

less so e33's story per se (but still excellent) and moreso the character writing, that's just phenomenal and ruins everything else for me lol

[tight haven]

but pm fans generally do not give a shit because its fucking fantastic

[midnight stirrup]

e33 had very little faults

like very little

and it shows

[daring dove]

I don't think you've played or experienced the story of every gacha game to be honest. An are just constantly highlighting the critically acclaimed SP releases in the past few years. I'll admit on average gacha games tend to have fairly bland stories but saying they're all bad is borderline made up.

[midnight stirrup]

how is it borderline made up when its subjective

ive seen better to know gacha stories suck ass

do i enjoy them sure

but theyre ass

[hollow raptor]

gacha games warp player perspectives because too many people are invested into the story over the years. spend long enough and even bland stories become interesting with enough crumbs lol.

[midnight stirrup]

exactly

what is genshins peak storywise

what is hsr peak storywise

what is ak peak storywise

even if they had good moments for a agcha

it was fed with dialogue slop

sp games dont do that

[daring dove]

Again just to destroy your argument from earlier.

[midnight stirrup]

and have more consequences etc

Aight Striker

[daring dove]

What has largely considered the best Final Fantasy story in years... Final Fantasy XIV Shadowbringers a live serive game.

[midnight stirrup]

If gacha stories are as good as some of the best single player games

tell me a comparison thats equal in writing

[midnight stirrup]

?

[tight haven]

i just dont think this is a productive conversation atp

[native flower]

E33 narrative definitely had its issues. Not sure why you're citing that as some example of peak storywriting

[tight haven]

yall just seem diametrically opposed

[daring dove]

Remember you switched the argument from live service to gacha earlier.

[hollow raptor]

i never let an opportunity to shit on gacha as a genre let by

[daring dove]

First it all all live serive games are bad.

[midnight stirrup]

the context was gachas with live service

use common sense instead of nitpicking my argument

i never shat on mmos whatsoever nor were they ever the topic

u can make it about them now technically sure

but u know damn well it wasnt about those

[tight haven]

my darkwoke take is that limbus is only as good as it is because its live-service game but also condemning gacha as a medium is a moral imperative and it is the duty of any self-respecting man or woman to shit on gachas at every turn

[daring dove]

Point is if Shadowbringers can drop an amazing story in a live service format there's no reason nobody else can.

[gritty briar]

limbus is kinda a fake gacha anyways

no one pulls on it

[drifting quest]

i feel like a lot of the impact is due to the real world time gaps and community hype that gets built up

i would not be as hyped as I am for 9.5-2 if the BHK meme phase didnt exist pre canto 9

my goat is BACK

[tight haven]

and this is a valid way of looking at it

[gritty briar]

just buying the battlepass like it's some mmo subscription and grinding to get the characters instead of pulling

[tight haven]

i dont think i would have gotten that into a number of anime if they were dumped all at once

community engagement was part of the medium and i enjoyed it a lot

[hollow raptor]

yeah but riensang called out to me. i literally got him 3 times in 3 single pulls.

[drifting quest]

i went to 65 and then sparked him anyway

i have no walp pulls

[tight haven]

same

jihoon...

20000 lunacy...

[drifting quest]

thankfully the only semi interesting kit to me is FAS ryoshu

[hollow raptor]

i got 130 for walp but this walp looks very underwhelming

[drifting quest]

and i dont mind the 3-4 month wait for her anyway

[hollow raptor]

might skip, but i know i'll pull anyways when it comes to it

[gritty briar]

i have 200 for walp just cause i took a 2 year break and need to catch up on some announcers i missed

i have enough shards to get characters anyways

[drifting quest]

i can spark anything i want moving forward, the 3 (i didnt have anything from s1 i wanted) selectors from anniversary get the remaining old ids i want

but im going to pull anyway

smile

[tight haven]

walp is the only socially acceptable time to pull

[drifting quest]

fuck it we ball

[hollow raptor]

current hongyuan banner is good too if you missed out on s6

[edgy crater]

now, should u p3 rossi for dat p3 pic lol

[drifting quest]

double thumb hos banner? sign me up

i prob wont pull for albina or callisto to be fair

spark both of them

[daring dove]

Gotta P5 for the profile art

[tight haven]

i didnt prep at all for walp but #idgaf

pm can have a lil extra $40 for how good c9 was

[hollow raptor]

holy lvl 125

im like not even half that

[edgy crater]

fair dat art

[tight haven]

i didnt even log into limbus for like

a month

before riensang

[drifting quest]

i think im at like 90

[hollow raptor]

only thing i truly regret for not starting earlier is missing out on that xichun profile deco

[drifting quest]

probably less

late 70's maybe

[tight haven]

one of my friends is lv135 atp

[drifting quest]

i started at the beginning of canto 8

[tight haven]

i think im washed

[hollow raptor]

i need that xichun profile decoration ;-;

never to return

rip

[tight haven]

which one

[drifting quest]

indicants rodiya ego banner i was rerolling during

[tight haven]

the spring cult?

oh the fucking

bp one

with the chud baby xichun

[drifting quest]

worm

https://tenor.com/view/jia-xichun-lcb-limbus-company-truth-nuke-demon-of-babylon-gif-3183832889882381578

[hollow raptor]

i think so?

it just has lots of xichuns

and she is cute

[daring dove]

Do you think this game caps at 60, or we'll be able to keep going even without the rewards being released yet?

[tight haven]

this one????

[honest hill]

Shuo I have a question for u

[tight haven]

iirc in beta it just capped

[hollow raptor]

no the other

[honest hill]

[tight haven]

you couldnt go higher

[hollow raptor]

that has a few xichuns and a sinclair

or two

[tight haven]

oh yeah the spring cult one

itll rerun

dw

[jagged stump]

i think so,like every other similiar game

[tight haven]

when we get spring cultivation bokgak

[hollow raptor]

i asked in the limbus discord and they told me it's not coming back

[tight haven]

bro you got misinformed

[daring dove]

That's a bit meh, Genshin did that too except it took you half a year almost to hit 60 Genshin. In this game it'll take most people under 2 months.

[tight haven]

they might have thought you meant the bp xichun one

[honest hill]

Anyone know how much ult gain does akekuri need if u run thermite cutter

[daring dove]

Depends TM.

[hollow raptor]

let me find the profile so im sure

[honest hill]

TM?

[drifting quest]

trademark

™

[honest hill]

Ohh

[gritty briar]

i would think it depends on how fast you need her ult to be to match the rotation of her teammates

[honest hill]

In Avy team and Leva team

[tight haven]

depends on your rotations

[honest hill]

How much

[hollow raptor]

this deco

[honest hill]

[tight haven]

you have to calc it separately based on how many bskills and ake cskills you can expect

[drifting quest]

avy teams usually need less

[tight haven]

yeah that one will rerun

[drifting quest]

laev teams usually want more

[tight haven]

def

[hollow raptor]

[drifting quest]

it wont rerun till like

late this year, early next year

[daring dove]

The easiest answer is however much feels comfortable to you.

[tight haven]

yea

probably like uhhhh

after canto 10

[honest hill]

Gimme a range she has 463 int and like 13% ult gain

[drifting quest]

canto 10 is august

bokgak for lcb checkup is like april

so it'll be like december 2026

when we get spring culti bokgak

[tight haven]

hopefully yea

[jagged stump]

i mean it depends on how long or how quick you want to tackle the boss assuming starting from 0 energy

[honest hill]

Quick but tbh my wulf using cannibal so it will be slower

[hollow raptor]

as long as it returns

[daring dove]

That's my Akekuri I still feel like I could do with a bit more. But I'm not sure going to 109% (cap) will meaningfully make her feel better. Plus I have bigger priorities for my artifcing rn.

[tight haven]

yeah just calc like this

[edgy crater]

stealth, do u gonna artificing? or just w8 for red gear

[tight haven]

assuming 1 ake cskill and 6 bskills

[drifting quest]

might as well see what 1.1 gear brings

before artificing

[edgy crater]

cause yeah

[honest hill]

I alr artificed a bit before cuz xaihi but yes I will wait for 1.1

[tight haven]

yeah dont spend any artifice catalysts rn imo

its not worth it

[honest hill]

I'm saving min 120

[drifting quest]

i doubt there's huge amounts of changes but

now that i have said it

there will be huge amounts of changes

[edgy crater]

its posible to be obsolete lol

[tight haven]

surprise redeemer set bonus is just thermite/stanza

👍

[edgy crater]

well, if its sstack with thermite

[daring dove]

That's the smart play. Akekuri as good as she is isn't high on the priority list for artificing. An I say that as someone with a really goated Akekuri.

[edgy crater]

double atk yes please lmao

[drifting quest]

oh my god if they give atk% on ult cast or something

its so over

[edgy crater]

we still dont have stanza equivalent for gun isnt

[daring dove]

We have a gun that could technically increase team damage more than Stanza, but not a good use case for it rn.

[edgy crater]

which one?\

[edgy crater]

oh shit

[outer ermine]

[edgy crater]

w8

[daring dove]

It works the same as Ardelia's weapon in an ideal world where it's straight up 28% increased team damage against a ST.

[edgy crater]

aint dat technically useable on yvonne

[honest hill]

mhm

[daring dove]

Yeah should be, would be kinda funny if you could make that meta though with Yvonne being a debuffer for LR.

[midnight stirrup]

Yo Striker

[daring dove]

Yo

[edgy crater]

yeah nah bro, dats too coping

[midnight stirrup]

Apologies for letting it get so heated earlier from my side. I get very passionate about these things and I was hungry waiting on my food

Im still cool with you no beef from my side

[drifting quest]

https://tenor.com/view/commercial-snickers-cranky-gif-5478685

[daring dove]

All good dude, I don't take these debates too serious. Just a fun back an forth. 👍

[edgy crater]

kinda forgot, shuo, can yvonne get 54% cr without using navi/wedge/artzy?

[midnight stirrup]

https://giphy.com/gifs/arknights-endfield-last-rite-WQbHWNqqB27O83smTb

[drifting quest]

yes by going more into crit on gear

[edgy crater]

hmm, so technically u can make yvonne into cr gear then slap clannibal?

[drifting quest]

technically yes

its just worse

but technically yes

maybe its tech for tt

[edgy crater]

worse than navi?

[dawn patrol]

wait how much cr is yvonne hitting with no food buffs and optimal gear

[drifting quest]

yes

[edgy crater]

damn lol

but yeah, its possible for tang2 as well

assuming we use her as main dps

[drifting quest]

there's edge cases i guess for carry yvonne on clanni but

you're prob forcing it atp

[honest hill]

when is wulfgard getting replaced

[drifting quest]

not anytime soon

[honest hill]

he's so mid

he's the flourite of fire teams

[edgy crater]

nah, better fluorite on pyro team lmao

[honest hill]

I wish he could be better

[edgy crater]

i wish fluorite can be wulf cryo/nature

[honest hill]

he just spam bs and just ult

[dawn patrol]

bro's just there for inflicts

[honest hill]

wish he could do more

[edgy crater]

dats enough for slave tho

[honest hill]

slave life is boring tho

[dawn patrol]

it's what he deserves

[fresh maple]

play akekuri if you don't like wulf

[honest hill]

I use both

[edgy crater]

at least ur pyto get better slave than cryo

[honest hill]

in lev team

[edgy crater]

xaihi literally solo support entire cryo team lol

[honest hill]

yeahh but wish he had arts dmg taken

or arts susc

[dawn patrol]

she also gives a fat amp

[edgy crater]

dats why i said solo support lmao

[honest hill]

xaihi is just an anomaly

[dawn patrol]

yeah meanwhile wulf is just inflict bot

bro is not doing allat

[edgy crater]

for comparision, pyro get ake, cryo get what? fisherman lmao

[fresh maple]

then try out antal akekuri, you may find that works better for arts suscept

[honest hill]

look i'll be fine if wulf did some arts susc

like slave life is just sad

[edgy crater]

nah, its not fair when pyro slave much better than cryo

[dawn patrol]

wulf alter where he's just rossi slave

[honest hill]

idk hmm

[glass birch]

he does tho

👀

[honest hill]

how

sus

[edgy crater]

clannibal lmao

[glass birch]

Clannibal

[dawn patrol]

clannibal is not it cro

[fresh maple]

antal buffs my lev dmg big time with his weapon

[daring dove]

There's a small chance Rossi could replace him. But she kinda goes against the teams ability to quickly gain heat. So her buffs to heat DMG would have to be large.

[honest hill]

yeah

[glass birch]

clannibal + Wulf = Arts damage taken debuff on enemies + Heat dmg% for allies

[honest hill]

but that's a big if w a small chance

[dawn patrol]

where the hell is heat dmg for allies coming from

is it in his kit

[glass birch]

talent 1 iirc.

[honest hill]

but isn't taking away the combustion bad for leva

[dawn patrol]

i didn't read it bc he's inflict bot and idc about him

[glass birch]

He gets 30% allies get 15%

[honest hill]

can u send info

[drifting quest]

whats bad is that you dont stack heat infliction

[glass birch]

Lae doesnt care that combust is active on enemies. She just cares that she saw it be applied

[drifting quest]

and it doesnt align well with burst windows either

[honest hill]

yeah that as well..

[dawn patrol]

100 sp better spent on ard lmao

[edgy crater]

w8, what does it mean specified element?

[honest hill]

this too

[dawn patrol]

pyro for combust etc

[honest hill]

is just a lot of sp to consume

[dawn patrol]

only that element

[edgy crater]

bruh really?

[honest hill]

ye

it's cooked

ggs

[edgy crater]

u cant use it on other element?

bruh

i thought u can

[honest hill]

idk

[glass birch]

I dont think we have anyone else who can consume arts reactions w/ handcannons?

[dawn patrol]

consume corrosion for nature dmg

[glass birch]

Unless we get a Phys handcannon user for shatter

[fresh maple]

not yet

[glass birch]

imagine if wulf's ult forced combustion by consuming any active reaction on a target

[jagged stump]

you can, specified means whatever the wielder art reaction consumed

if you put it on yvone for example and consume solidification then itll take more cryo arts dmg

[glass birch]

Yvonne in that case would have to be the one to consume it no?

[edgy crater]

u already test it?

[jagged stump]

yes

[glass birch]

yvonne doesnt consume solidification tho

she consumed cryo infliction

inflict =/= reaction

[hasty grail]

She does at the end of ult, though not that useful for this

[glass birch]

oh truer

I forgot about that

[jagged stump]

which makes clannibal so bad because you dont want wulfgard to pop a combust for lae stacks, it happends very situasionally

[glass birch]

Wulf forces combust for free on ult
Wulf ult also resets his combo skill's cooldown to 0 when cast.
👀

and lae doesnt care about active combust

she just wants to see combust be applied

[dawn patrol]

100 sp better spent on ard lmao

[jagged stump]

yes i was just saying if you pop it with skills and eat heat stacks for an example

[summer flower]

yvonne consumes and makes reaction at end

that's why no notice

[jagged stump]

its good regardless, only on wulfgard

no one can use itwell

[summer flower]

ohh wait

no its different one that was adding at end of ultimate nvm

forgot

who

[glass birch]

How long does it take to regen 100 sp naturally?

[summer flower]

but yea yvonne consumes

[drifting quest]

12-14s or so

if not doing anything but standing there

[glass birch]

[daring dove]

To be honest the activation condition for Clannibal largely kills it or at least makes it extremely niche. If it was instead applying a arts infliction, people would be saying it's as good if not better than Thermite Cutter. Sadly in its current state there's very little use case for it.

[glass birch]

ardelia's suscept is a 30s duration, 20s cooldown, and takes like 3s to first be applied through her combo skill (Since it pops after like 3s) so overall you're looking at 30s duration 17s cd. That leaves some room to add in another 100 SP for clannibal's heat dmg taken/15% heat DMG%

But man is it tight

[jagged stump]

exactly

reason why we just slap a non set gear with all ult gain so he can spam ult as much as you cna

[dawn patrol]

it's good for wulf mdps

if you want to do that ig

[daring dove]

My Ardelia has a 15 second CD

[glass birch]

Its def worth it though for Rossi

[glass birch]

15s? Frontier? Or M3?

[daring dove]

On applying Corrosion

[glass birch]

👀

what yu talkin' 'bout willis?

Oh its 18s cooldown

I see what you mean now

so ~15s cooldown due to the lag time on corrosion + 30s duration

and the corrosion lasts what?

7s?

[daring dove]

11 seconds

She can almost chain corrosion

[glass birch]

ew p5

[daring dove]

[glass birch]

im talking p0

[jagged stump]

[glass birch]

fackin whale

[glass birch]

Wait if you're P5 then the base cd on combo skill is 16s w/ the lag time bringing it to 13s

[daring dove]

M3 makes it 15.

[glass birch]

okay so you can nearly keep 100% uptime on corrosion

gross

[jagged stump]

ikr

[edgy crater]

[glass birch]

add in frontier and you CAN keep 100% up time on corrosion

[edgy crater]

ok dats interesting lma

chain corro so u can corro maxing on eyja gear lmao

[jagged stump]

even without you mostlikely almost have no downtime from time stop

[glass birch]

🤮

Eyja making enemies sick

[timber harness]

Do they just not know how to design characters

Lots of half baked kits honestly ive been noticing

[edgy crater]

design char != kit wise lol

[glass birch]

like who?

[wind nebula]

Gacha community: "Power creep is such a greedy cash grab that makes my favorite units suck."

Also Gacha community: "new character doesn't do much more damage than current characters, bad kit why bother pulling lmao"

[daring dove]

But yeah, against a ST enemy P5-P5 Ardelia isn't that far off doubling a teams damage. I don't even think Gilberta keeps up with her at whale levels.

[midnight stirrup]

Its not that theyre half baked and more so the limited available roster curse from the early release patches alongside them introducing new archetypes way too soon rather than focusing on existing ones.

Its early wuwa.

[jagged stump]

gilberta is really designed to building up buffs/debuffs into super omega nuke

[wind nebula]

At this rate the TC side of this game is gonna have an identity crisis when the game still lets "bad teams" clear everything

[drifting quest]

its a good thing

fuck powercreep

[glass birch]

[drifting quest]

keep doing kits like these

nightmare to tc, way better for game health

[tight haven]

literally

stop asking for optimal ass shill slop design

[glass birch]

I could totally make a funny here

[tight haven]

so fucking boring to tc

[glass birch]

But I wont go that far

[jagged stump]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-yes-dance-gif-11215374832857296726

[drifting quest]

rossi team comp has been both

hell

and the most fun tc

[timber harness]

Non sequitur

[drifting quest]

and if her numbers are good enough she is 'good' anyway

[glass birch]

I can just say; I'm gonna abuse the fuck outa Wulf w/ my rossi team

[tight haven]

yeah nothing in this game is knock-your-socks-off difficult yet

[drifting quest]

hardest content is people trying to find the dodge key

they unbound it or something

[jagged stump]

lmfao

[tight haven]

and as long as that difficulty doesnt come in the form of a plain and uninteractive dps check a la MoC then idm

[jagged stump]

so true

[warm galleon]

Waiting for a TC for p5p5 Rossi, p5p5 yvon, p5p5 laev, and p5p5 gilb teamcomp.

[drifting quest]

there needs to be a healthy mix

[tight haven]

id do it but you couldnt pay me to p5p5 yvonne

[glass birch]

if the buff her Talent 2 gets from combust is small; gonna just consume combust for 10s of +15 Heat DMG% and 15s of 12 Arts DMG%

[drifting quest]

more stages like inorganic 2 and 3
less like dorito

[daring dove]

If her numbers are generally good as in competitive with carries like Laevatain. She will have quite a sick synergy with with Gilberta. Provided we can keep triggering Gilberta's combo trigger.

[hollow raptor]

dorito is a fun fight

better than rhodagn by 10 grades

[drifting quest]

dorito is only fun when you skip phase 2

[outer ermine]

rhod isnt real

[hollow raptor]

it's just a fun fight throughout unless you're in a speedrunning mindset because then phase 2 feels aggravating

[drifting quest]

you're in a tc channel

what do you expect

[hollow raptor]

tc has nothing to do with speedrunning

[drifting quest]

it's always a speedrunning mindset

[timber harness]

She'll certainly be fun to play around with when we get more options in general

[wind nebula]

Second wave of mobs is annoying, but that's what makes it satisfying if you only deal with one wave

[daring dove]

Fidget spinner is the worst thing to happen to the human race since covid.

[drifting quest]

normal clears are so easy its nothingburger to discuss

[glass birch]

Rossi would need to have a way to apply combust or some reaction consistently to proc Gilberta's combo though

Though you can probably get wulf's ult every 20s or so

[jagged stump]

and yet people still cry because they cant dodge

[hollow raptor]

i have not seen a single complaint about normal clears tbh

at least on reddit & yt

idk about other spaces

[glass birch]

Id hope not

normal is lv60

[drifting quest]

normal as in typical

[jagged stump]

dodging is not normal for them

[hollow raptor]

the attack cues are really bad in this game

[daring dove]

I thnik Ardelia kinda solves that maybe. An Rossi will be eating the nature stacks so the team should just work.

[hollow raptor]

but the dodge window is really generous

[outer ermine]

too generous pls fix

[daring dove]

Actually the more I think about it Ardelia / Gilberta / Rossi would be pretty nuts.

[glass birch]

Like Rossi/Ard/Gil/? Could work ig but you're missing out on a way to consume vulnerability stacks

[jagged stump]

yeah i think the same, you dont even need to perfectly react at all

[glass birch]

Ardelia cant use her combo on a target w/ vulnerability stacks

[oak vigil]

Out of genuine curiosity: which kits are like this?

[daring dove]

Ah, so we need to consume them at the end I guess.

[glass birch]

Yeah

either crush or breach

pog with breach would be nice for SP generation + extra damage for over half Rossi's kit

and it fixes the issue of vuln stacks for ard

[daring dove]

Yeah, might be a nice little team that.

Means we can use Thermite cutter for ATK buffs too

[outer ermine]

[daring dove]

Think we cooking here.

[jagged stump]

crazy shit

[dry kindle]

What no 1.1 does to a mf

[oak vigil]

Thought about the Pogranichnik/Ardelia/Gilby setup, but I keep forgetting Gilby only applies ARTS susceptibility, not phys and arts like Ardelia

[tight haven]

wulf annoyingly is off by less than 1% of being able to 1 cycle ult

[glass birch]

Hmmm
So rossi teams currently;
Rossi-Wulf-Gil-Ake
Rossi-Wulf-Gil-Perlica
Rossi-Pog-Ardelia-Wulf
Rossi-Pog-Ardelia-Gil

[glass birch]

Rossi's BS SEQ2 and ult are both heat. Dunno about Talent 2

Combo is full phys and BS SEQ1 is phys

[daring dove]

Yeah for the majority of the team damage this doesn't matter as it's all heat / nature.

[oak vigil]

Hmmm fair

[edgy crater]

doritos fun untill u get jet engine with 0 hp slamming ur op

[glass birch]

90-15% is 76.5

[daring dove]

Yeah it depends really on if Rossi's ult can hit hard enough to carry the team. If it can then the team should go nuclear. Since you're in theory stacking so many buffs at once.

[glass birch]

so you need P5

P4* not 5

[tight haven]

it is

look at the first screenshot

this is with fully artificed gear and gilb p3

hes VERY slightly off

[glass birch]

OHHH

need like 0.7% more

I cant math rn

[tight haven]

yeah its pretty annoying

[glass birch]

Maybe 1.1 gear can fix this?

[tight haven]

gilb p3 feels so mathematically calculated to seem good but not actually have any applications

maybe

[glass birch]

If we get a piece with more ult gain efficiency like the no set?

[tight haven]

unless youre missing artifices

[daring dove]

We are getting more redeemer pieces so it's likely.

[glass birch]

If the redeemer pieces comes with ult gain efficiency then it might fix it

[tight haven]

a gun with ult eff L fixes it too

gilb just is allowed to do this

[glass birch]

maybe TT's BP gun?

[tight haven]

1 cycle ult lol

actually this is the one case where gilb p3 matters

[daring dove]

260 is the magic number for Gilberta no?

[tight haven]

she can use xiranite and still hit it

259.4

not 260

[daring dove]

Fair I just got mine over 260 an forgot about her.

I look away for like 2 seconds an her ult is back up.

Kind of what you want from a support.

[tight haven]

tangtang may or may not care about gilb p3 too depending on rots

[daring dove]

I lowkey think Tangtang might dethrone Ardelia/Gilberta as the best character in the game. It's still too early to tell of course but her kit looks amazing.

[dry kindle]

Inb4 need p3 because tangtang has account damage pot

🔥

[daring dove]

Hopefully she's not ruined by terrible CD's or Motion values.

[tight haven]

sp return

[oak vigil]

40s combo skill cd 🗣️ 🔥

But yeah I think it will be like 20-25s considering the utility

[outer ermine]

18s

[edgy crater]

tang2? she wouldnt lol

cause if its 40s, dats just another fluorite

[tight haven]

her entire kit would be bricked if her cd was that high

she just wouldnt function

[daring dove]

That does down to 15s with P5 M3. What the Supreme Chief deserves.

[outer ermine]

yeah the cd was hella fast in the preview

[drifting quest]

10-12s range

most likely

15s at the highest end

[edgy crater]

hmm the cd scale with skill level?

[normal tangle]

what utility

slowing enemies?

[drifting quest]

no

[glass birch]

Arts suscept

[oak vigil]

(I just in general say that CS's have their own utility in one way or another)
Slowness and creates waterpools for arts susceptibility setup for BS or ultimate

[drifting quest]

its just extra damage really

a little more sp refund

but sp refund will make timelining awkward

[dry kindle]

We fucking love sp return

[modest thorn]

has there been a gacha game that has revealed how they deal with soft pity? like what happens to the rates of 5 and 4 star units

[drifting quest]

Several

Both arknights do even

Endfield included in that

[modest thorn]

how do they deal with it?

[daring dove]

Isn't it 50% for a 6* once you hit soft pity.

Seems very rare you go past soft pity much.

[hollow raptor]

since the total is 100% the rates of 5 & 4 stars are decreased to make room

[modest thorn]

thats what im curious about, i've seen ppl handle it differently in simulators where they're either reduced proportionally or 5 star chances stay the same and 4 stars are reduced

[honest hill]

idk how it works

[next helm]

64+ you get 5% every pull

[neon knot]

how much stronger is P5 Panda with exemplar over Edmin

[lyric latch]

from the video her Combo seens to have about 13s CD

Tangtang

[tight haven]

absolute fucking headache to quantify

"they perform about the same and are better than each other depending on the stage" is the best way to put it

da pan is generally better for single-target stages and endmin is generaly better when you're up against more than one enemy

[neon knot]

I see... so it's also fair to assume Endmin might pull ahead in the future cause of 3 more potentials

[tight haven]

we do not know

da pan could, in that time, receive support that also makes him better

in the form of new ops/gear/weaps

[neon knot]

I can't imagine there could be a support kit that only benefits pan but not endmin

[tight haven]

you really wont regret raising either

[neon knot]

unless it explicitly says "doubla panda's damage if he's on the team lmao"

[tight haven]

if your da pan isnt p5 just use endmin

realistically this support would come in the way of tightening rotations because da pan teams generally dont have any issues putting up a ton of vuln

they only lack ult energy to keep the loop tight

[twilit quail]

da pan cant meet a good multiple of 4 per rotation rn

so they just have to eat shit

and do extra skills

that dont do anything other than give ult energy

[neon knot]

yeah.. i just got exemplar today so i have no clue how it compares now to endmin, i was building endmin cause i got her sig for $.99

[twilit quail]

while vuln stacks overflow

[tight haven]

yeah youre literally spending sp just to ult

ime they really just dont perform too much better than the other

you can use both and clear things very quickly

phys is a very op team

[twilit quail]

so long as you can afford 3 lv90s

[tight haven]

lmao true

[twilit quail]

to be even in performance with lae

who has 3 lv60 support bots

and it's endmin/da pan's fault

[tight haven]

i really hope we get a better crusher

fuck man

endmin rots are too slow da pans cskill makes timing fugly

tbh ive been having the most fun with da pan basically running lifeng as a dps

since you can spam his bskill guilt-free

and it prints damage

[summer flower]

what if you didnt had full phys team?

issue is CD right?

[regal fractal]

Anybody wanna make a small DM group chat thing to talk about endfields or something every so often, ngl I kinda want like a little group who play to talk to somewhat consistently rather than just randoms who I'll probably never see again or only like 1 person. Gives me motivation to play more too, sorry if this sounds weird xD

[warm galleon]

That's called irl friends

Ohhhh wait

[valid palm]

nah that's uncalled for 💀

[gritty briar]

bro just chose violence

[proud vector]

bro didn't care it was a civvie, they just went straight for the neck

[valid palm]

But for real, even if you have irl friends there's no guarantee that they are going to play the same games all the time

There's nothing wrong with looking in the game's own community if you want to have a friend group to talk about said game with

MMOs naturally create this with guild systems but that doesn't really exist in gachas

[dry kindle]

gbf

[tight haven]

doesnt sound weird

[pure spoke]

Maybe invite ppl who you vibe with rn idk

[tight haven]

not interested cuz idt id talk in it much but thats the point of big communities imo

finding folks you enjoy talking to and who also enjoy the game

[pure spoke]

Are you a nearl the radiant knight enjoyer?

[summer flower]

some people repeat here

Lee is doing solo chen stuff

someone was ember player like me but i forgot name

[regal fractal]

I could be

[summer flower]

someone still waits for me to do math

[pure spoke]

[regal fractal]

Lowks I have no idea what it is..

[summer flower]

i wonder if shuo did that number divination for operators from devlog

[valid zealot]

What is Yvon rhod record rn.

[regal fractal]

23?

Or has it gone down

[pure spoke]

A character from arknights

[summer flower]

ehh

ohh right

[regal fractal]

Hmm, idk I dont vibe with anybody here

Ngl theres too many messages in all the other chats

[summer flower]

yea, talking in general about game is like impossiblu

[pure spoke]

I mainly use this and team build chat

[regal fractal]

😭 sensory overload

[gritty briar]

this is one of the few chats slow enough to not need a slowmode

[regal fractal]

I feel bad if I use it and dont talk about theory crafting or whatever the chat is

Like if I tangent or something

[pure spoke]

Its ok. I dont think ppl get mad. Except mods

[gritty briar]

i just try to not go too offtopic if it would interrupt a convo that is ontopic

[proud vector]

OFF TOPIC IN MY ARKNIGHTS THEEEEROYCRAFTING CHAT?!

[summer flower]

hmm

[gritty briar]

i don't think most people care that much when the chat is basically dead otherwise

[summer flower]

dunno, i think i was pushing shuo too much

they might think its personal

rather than attempt to make impact

[regal fractal]

Either way, I like the progression through stuff with other people. Like it makes me wanna play more so I dont fall behind and other stuff idek, so

Maybe I'm playing the wrong game.....

[pure spoke]

Ff14 is nice with friends

[summer flower]

as long as you clear/trim there is no behind i think

[regal fractal]

The thought is what matters

Maybe falling behind is just the friends we made along the way

[pure spoke]

Endfield isnt co op so there isnt much to keep up

[regal fractal]

Yeah

[gritty briar]

most of us here probably have barely any progression left to do

[proud vector]

I'm basically a Widow with an inherited fortune in that game

[regal fractal]

"I quit akef after only 1 month, heres why!!!!"

[gritty briar]

so the most you'd get out of comparing progression with us is a near immediate "okay i finished everything" the instant new content comes out

[pure spoke]

Feels like they all are at 100% because they talk so much in this server xd

[regal fractal]

Which is where I start to get bored and quit, so I need something to keep me going

[summer flower]

like... a lot of people are at stage of waiting for new operator and new content

[regal fractal]

And what else better than somebody else

[summer flower]

while doing stuff for heck of it

[pure spoke]

I think gacha is a bad game for such a thing

[summer flower]

making fluorite dps

[proud vector]

try factorio

[regal fractal]

Yeah but here I am

I get addicted

And then dropoff

Repeat

[proud vector]

f f f actorio

[summer flower]

preparing ember for ember solo trim

[neat snow]

You need another game to pass the time gacha has a lot of waiting it seems especially if you're a grinder and beat all the content right away

[pure spoke]

Indeed

[regal fractal]

I tried DNA for a bit and got c6 Lynn and c6 nifle

[summer flower]

yea this game isnt full time playtime

[regal fractal]

I was hsr player for a while

[gritty briar]

still working on trying to get that foodless 4 star trim before patch comes out

[pure spoke]

And unlike arknights we dont have a replayable mode yet. Rip

[gritty briar]

starting to think i won't make it tbh

[summer flower]

foodless 4 star trim?

with who?

[gritty briar]

foodless 4 star only against rhodagn

[summer flower]

ohh 4 star only

[gritty briar]

catcher estella fluorite akekuri

[summer flower]

that should be way easier

why akekuri?

[warm galleon]

Ahh yes the z7 team

[summer flower]

alesh?

[pure spoke]

Catcher can solo rhodogan

[summer flower]

wouldnt alesh be better?

[regal fractal]

5star

[gritty briar]

alesh isn't a 4 star

[summer flower]

ohh

OHHH

damn

[regal fractal]

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