theorycrafting

[craggy pond]

idk since it's the first time i've come across an instance of this in endfield. But the fact that it exists means there's a non zero chance it's also the case for other skills that involve a base portion and a bonus portion

[potent hornet]

if we get the cryo vanguard i'm assuming we would be switching to 3 cryo with perl or gilberta

[edgy crater]

ah ok2

[potent hornet]

my nightmare tho is that the cryo vanguard will consume stacks instead of supplying them

[craggy pond]

well it's like the 2nd time i've learned to not take things at face value in this game tho

the first time with surtr's battle skill

[edgy crater]

we have "cryo" vanguard

[craggy pond]

there're probably more but i need the motivation to look into them

[edgy crater]

well, need more minmaxer on other build too

[potent hornet]

?

[craggy pond]

i went from knowing jackshit about lr to knowing down to the nichest glitch involving her skills within a few hours

[edgy crater]

alesh lmao

[craggy pond]

kind of an honorary lr main now

[dusk isle]

Are we talking about the crit thing

[proud vector]

It’s probably the crit thing lol

[potent hornet]

why would you subject a lizard to the cold LR and Xaihi produce

[wanton notch]

New support should be both Cryo infliction and Crit buffs

And it still gonna be better in LR

[craggy pond]

maybe if there's a glitch with other dps like avywenna

i might look into them

[warm galleon]

Does not have to be cryo, nature works just fine too

[edgy crater]

well, hes still a cryo vanguard in paper, still need to mention him

[potent hornet]

i went straight to the perl, xaihi, ard setup

never even tried to use him, think he is still level 1

[craggy pond]

ye, tho honestly i'm surprised more people didn't complain about her low crits

[potent hornet]

same with Ake and i need to fix that issue

[craggy pond]

because statistically speaking most of her "crits" are low crits

[dusk isle]

I think most ppl like me were thinking they messed up their timings or rotations

[craggy pond]

without any crit buff it's basically impossible for her to hit true crit with combo

it's like a 0.25% chance

[potent hornet]

whats the attack on a max level 6*gun?

[craggy pond]

[potent hornet]

are they lower than other weapons?

[dusk isle]

Yet i hit it today in my 1st attempt against triag phase 2 skip, without recording it

[potent hornet]

it does look like 6* dmg varies even on the same class of weapon

[frozen tide]

6* base atk?

[potent hornet]

seems like the easy fix would be to buff the attack stat on the guns

the base attack stat

445 there

441 on a detonation unit same level

id assume attack values change on the guns as well

[digital scroll]

oh no pls dont. i really really dont like her i dont want her on my team i'd rather rossi be phys but i doubt she would be

[potent hornet]

i only have one 6* gun atm so i can't compare really well

[frozen tide]

Yeah base attack does differ even with same star rating and weapon type

[potent hornet]

get ready to pull some TANG

[proud vector]

Tangtang with the dynamite throw

Outa nowhere

[potent hornet]

so they should buf the attack stat on her sig

that way you aren't forced into wedge and it will fix her "low" numbers

[digital scroll]

i mean. i'd say if she has fun gameplay i'll pull but this is endfield and combat isnt exactly a riveting experience so far

[proud vector]

we need more arclights

Arclight is fun

[potent hornet]

that goober is gonna have some wild attack animations

arclight has a lot of potential

[digital scroll]

arclight is cool

[potent hornet]

i don't think she has what she needs to shine atm

i really want to run her in a 3 link provider team

[velvet sphinx]

Is Wedge better than her Sig?

[digital scroll]

i need a new onfielder or need a better chen wep than sundering and then im willing to onfield

[proud vector]

She can turbo ultimate energy and buff electro

So it’s on how necessary that is for 6* lightning team

so 1.2 before we know

Still, the faster she boosts ultimate energy the more ultimates she does and thus the more she can boost ultimate energy

keep your eye on her she is potential wamen

[potent hornet]

yea she is a dynamo but i think she has potential as a main dmg dealer

i don't even think you would need to support her through electric fully

[proud vector]

Theoretically no

Just perlica combo skill and her own ultimate is 2 cheap electrifications

[potent hornet]

is her ult an art?

[proud vector]

It inflicts an electro on initial dash then the secondary delayed hit converts electro into electrification

So it’s a free electrification proc for her if used right

[potent hornet]

after the dmg is done tho

you would want it active for the ult, preferable attempting to refresh the old stack

i think corrosion would be the way to go to support her

[proud vector]

Difficult to say

[potent hornet]

yea, like i said i don't think she has quite what she needs just yet

i'm hopeful for the future

[frozen tide]

Crit support would help yvonne more than lr

Just only release crit support for cryo ever

And just shank lr out back ig

[potent hornet]

i do like that even the 4/5 stars have a decent ability to do some dmg

[proud vector]

Crit nature support

Would lock LR out of it

[potent hornet]

i have seen some interesting flourite main dps builds

i think those came about due to people being horny for the girl in a bodysuit

[frozen tide]

Similar to other gachas inherent lower numbers is disadvantagious for lower star units to be dps

But varied uses and applications of the support role nature does allow five and four stars to shine

Because there won't always be a six star char with the perfect kit for needed support

And kit utilization is often more important than potential output itself

[potent hornet]

yea i was jacking up with ardelia for a while there

kept doing the battle skill too early

[frozen tide]

I think its sort of a miracle that avy manages to compete and its only possible because of current bosses having jank breakpoints

And also not having a lot of units yet

Also helps that avy can stew cheese rhod

[potent hornet]

well Avy just has a really cool mechanic

i'm glad she does well

super unique compared to some of the other units

the lightning lance thing is just a cool and well implimented idea

thunderlance

she was one of my first 5* and i was gonna build her up but i got LR like 20 pulls right after her

so i switched to her

in gatchas like this do they ever upgrade the 5* units as like a re-release as a 6*

[pure spoke]

Idk but arknights upgrades them as an alter version a lot

[potent hornet]

ok, that would be cool

[pure spoke]

2 - 5 stars to higher stars up to 6

[ancient drift]

Problem with Avy is her CS cooldown, not that fluid to always have to keep chasing the right timing on her CS.

[potent hornet]

so an operator that does cooldown reduction would be choice for her

wait...is that why people use xaihi with LR

[ancient drift]

They have to improve a bit the mechanics, the most fun u can have with the battle on this game is canceling animations… Like on Laev’s ult and LR normal attack…

[potent hornet]

nvm

i thought wrong

[frozen tide]

Avy dmg is extremely backloaded and the backload cashout even now when boss hp is low is barely enough or not even for bps

[potent hornet]

i keep seeing people use xaihi as the controlled operator on speed runs

[frozen tide]

She needs supports to sub dps to hit those bps

[ancient drift]

Even if they had to lock how many CS u can stack with her, would be better..

[frozen tide]

Thinking about it

Avy is pretty similar to yvonne

🤔

[ancient drift]

Is to apply the stacks faster, I did some tests, is like 3-4secs faster than staying applying the stacks with LR

[unreal light]

What’s a bps, boss per second?

[frozen tide]

Breakpoints

[potent hornet]

gotcha that would make sense

[unreal light]

Ah

[frozen tide]

And in this context boss breakpoints

[unreal light]

Yeah I got it

[velvet sphinx]

Is Yvonne really that bad?

[potent hornet]

no

she works

just takes more of an investment to be outstanding

[frozen tide]

Hardly any character is truly that bad in akef rn

Because content is rly easy to clear

[unreal light]

Depends on the definition of bad

[unreal light]

👆

[frozen tide]

Yvonne does have a lot of drawbacks that make her subpar to other units esp 6 stars

[ancient drift]

The content always gonna be easy for the ones that tryhard the game…

[frozen tide]

But as far as clearing content goes you can just use whoever you like

[faint fiber]

Bruh I love the EU. It's illegal to pretend something is on "sale" i nthe EU, when ti is alawys that pprice.

Meanwhile Endfield be like "HAHA THIS IS 99.999% OFF ;)" ok for how long? "ALWAYS! ;)" so it is just the actual fucking price?

[unreal light]

Nah current content is like level up your team to 90, gear their essences, and clear everything first try

Nothing to sweat about

[frozen tide]

You can trim marble with solo chars

Like

That sounds easy to me idk bout u

[velvet sphinx]

Need to see a Solo Catcher trim run

[frozen tide]

You can solo trim with chen even

A free 5 star

[ancient drift]

The only game I saw really hard content was Honkai Impact on Myriad, which was a competitive mode for whales basically

[frozen tide]

Not even like laev or lr

[unreal light]

Gesnhin impact players when someone mention floor 9 abyss

[frozen tide]

Akef rn optional cosmetic reward endgame is clearable with solo free 5 star

[faint fiber]

Thbh Arknights proper has some amazingly hard ahd puzzle-like shit. And in a way my usually cynical ass accepts.

[ancient drift]

I manage to play there as a tiny dolphin, but wasn’t not even close, to stay on Myriad for a week…

[unreal light]

Wait what’s the cosmetic

[potent hornet]

i still need to level up gilberta so i can do the 2nd one on my LR team

[frozen tide]

The trim medal

Purely cosmetic

[unreal light]

Oh it ain’t even cosmetic, just an achievement

[ancient drift]

Lets wait and see, I’ve played Arknight a bit, but only for a year or so

[frozen tide]

You can display it

[unreal light]

I thought there is like a special icon frame atleast

[wanton notch]

I am trying, but I need fish for crits on Finishers, otherwise I am 17 seconds off

[frozen tide]

I consider it cosmetic but i can see how it might not be kinda sorta

[proud vector]

Because LORE
We have the endfield cooperation discount on artificing materials kek
If you mean like actual real money stuff then oops I jumped in without reading

[warm galleon]

Visitors can view your medal display but it's the room over from market stall

[frozen tide]

You can display it in your profile

[ancient drift]

Everyone will be able to trimm in some weeks, is not that hard, but people still are figuring out the essence and gear upgrade system

[potent hornet]

you can see em on the Flist when you select a friend

[warm galleon]

People actually view profiles?

[unreal light]

Can someone make a sale 100 years long?

[frozen tide]

I sometimes look around my friends profiles when im out of sanity

:p

[proud vector]

in theory?

[warm galleon]

Yup 0 sanity behavior

[unreal light]

I mean how’s that regulated

If hg makes a sale that lasts 10 or 20 years

[frozen tide]

But yeah all in all you can clear any content with her but she is worse than other 6 star dps if you like her just play her

[proud vector]

*for speed killing

Which is the current major endgame really

[unreal light]

She’s stronger than lifeng

[velvet sphinx]

Does Link work with Yvonne ult?

[proud vector]

should work just fine yeah

But I have not tested this

Soooooo help who has Yvonne and did testing

[ancient drift]

Better go with Estella, her dps is better than Yvonn’s

[warm galleon]

I would say balanced since rangers are supposed to be the weakest, just her range is shorter than I would considered balanced.

[proud vector]

you have got to be joking

[ancient drift]

I wish

[proud vector]

holy shit what Estelle build is this

[unreal light]

How do you know

[proud vector]

Shatter phys?

[faint fiber]

It's not a magical game, I won't pretend that. But I've played a lot of games where they try to abuse your brain.

I was there when it was invented by Valve in Tf2 and Wow "dailyquests".

Yeah, Arknights does some of thatm but godamn does it have great writing and stories and mechanis regarding it

[ancient drift]

Just joking, but is probably close 🤣

[proud vector]

Bruh misinformation and feelscrafting

[unreal light]

Bro it’s a serious channel

[ancient drift]

Feelscrafting always

[faint fiber]

Make not a sale of what is already sold.

Stop your second death, with your first.

[scenic radish]

@frozen tide do you bother with the other essence stats on stanza? Gilb is just kinda there for the buff, not her own stats

[frozen tide]

Shes also bad at umbral and isn't too good qol for day to day either

[proud vector]

gtfo with this “it sounds right” crap

[frozen tide]

Gilb if invested heavily can do decent dmg

[ancient drift]

We dont have a feelscrafting channel, that would be fire…

[frozen tide]

If you want to use her as a cheap support which is already most of her output

[potent hornet]

yea gilberta does great dmg

[proud vector]

It’s #team-build

[frozen tide]

Just get +3 third line

[proud vector]

Or if prefaced with “feelscraft” and not just randomly inserted into conversations

[unreal light]

I feel like sussuro is the strongest dps

[ancient drift]

True, I always see some crazy stuff in there… no comments

[restive crescent]

nah id feelscraft

[frozen tide]

Afaik yvonne competes with avy for st

[proud vector]

Like we have plenty of feelscrafting on arclight

[ancient drift]

Lmao

[proud vector]

But like we aren’t passing it off as proper TC with numbers to back it up ya know?

[restive crescent]

this is accurate.png

[wanton notch]

@unreal light By the way, if it isn't hard for you.

Since I am trying to optimize Catcher:

Exemplar Catcher (m3 BS and BA, but ultimate only lv9 rn) .

Whats better set combination?

Aethertech Analysis Band
Aethertech Analysis Band
Aethertech Plating
Swordmancer TAC Gauntlets

Or

Tide Surge Gauntlets
Turbid Cutting Torch
Turbid Cutting Torch
Type 50 Yinglung Heavy Armor (or Type 50 Yinglung Light Armor).

I know Turbid losing damage generally due stats changes, but I wonder if it worth for BA bonus. Assuming I fully artifice either gear

[ancient drift]

I’m still pulling for Yvonne though, really wanna check the numbers by myself..

[proud vector]

basic attack bonus oh my god

[restive crescent]

u can sheet her without pulling her

[wanton notch]

If you are playing Catcher, that's basically all you have

Well, for the most fight

[proud vector]

Yeah I get that it just inflicts pain upon my brain

[ancient drift]

How

[restive crescent]

abuse chinese website for rotations and then calc it

[proud vector]

asking feelscrafter to sheet is like making a horse drink when it doesn’t want to

[warm galleon]

I'm 29 pulls away from 5050, I hope I get two yvonne copies before the guarantee 120, that would make her p3.

[unreal light]

Could you throw me your stats? With or without gear if you haven’t got it artificed

[proud vector]

If you hit Yvonne early the 120 gatentee poofs

[restive crescent]

i can only take the horse to the water, the horse must drink the water itself

[edgy crater]

oi, i sometimes going there

[wanton notch]

Gimme a moment

[warm galleon]

Wait it does?

[ancient drift]

Catcher is fun, hopefully they release more chars with counterattack… Do some sekiro king on this bosses

[edgy crater]

[proud vector]

yeah pretty sure, double check with others but I’m 99%

Hey guys you lose the 120 garenteed if you early pull yeah?

[warm galleon]

I only pulled on gilb banner and got her on 120, but I did get lae and yvon before the 120

[proud vector]

You still keep the 240 and onwards bonus though right

Lemme go rain check me memory real quick

[potent hornet]

it will reset every time you pull a new 6*

[warm galleon]

Darn I only have 5 kidneys for sale atm, need to build my factory.

[ancient drift]

Send me the link

[warm galleon]

That's the 80 pulls that carry over not the 120

[proud vector]

https://preview.redd.it/endfield-banner-system-flowchart-v0-rdt0bncpl5eg1.png?width=1155&format=png&auto=webp&s=d5cbebe1e0e947868b8d21f740004f9e917bf5f5

Yeah ok it sets you to the limited token xx/240

So you skip the 120 limited garenteed

[unreal light]

What’s the Chinese website for rotations

Everyone keep bringing that up but no one names it

[restive crescent]

dm

[proud vector]

https://www.end-axis.com/timeline

[warm galleon]

Darn 2 gilb dupes then before the 120

[proud vector]

It’s end axis

I don’t think there is anything wrong with posting it here no?

[unreal light]

Ohh Tysm

[proud vector]

Though if you are passing along like your own timeline yeah

Probably just dm that

[restive crescent]

oh i didnt know u cud send links

[proud vector]

Should be pinned

we can’t pin stuff

[unreal light]

True

[proud vector]

Huge pain

[gritty olive]

Iana sheet is currently on scrutiny in reddit

We cant have “random unverified sheets” be pinned

[proud vector]

Bah

Reddit be Reddit

Though I will say “don’t bother unless sig” is a bit of a slap in the face LOL

[restive crescent]

wtf r we still on the reddit thing

[proud vector]

No but it keeps popping up again and again

its content

[wanton notch]

Doing it on the phone is ass.

Naked, Tide and Aether. All 0 artifice. I have artifixes either, but not fully

[gritty olive]

How ass

[proud vector]

Wdym naked

Oh naked stats

[gritty olive]

No gear

[proud vector]

right right

[gritty olive]

[unreal light]

Are both sets non-fully artificed?

[gritty olive]

[proud vector]

poor catcher and Flourite suffering from comboskillitis

Estelle and Akekuri didn’t have to suffer this way

[wanton notch]

Right now no artifice.
But you can do full calcs as if they were if you know stat changes

[unreal light]

Yeah I’ll work that out

And what are your team conditions and rotation

[wanton notch]

Don't open Bilibili for Catcher

[ancient drift]

Shield hero

[unreal light]

Like what buffs/debuffs are up and how many times you press each skill during one rot

[wanton notch]

Solo. But I use Battle skill often, so you can assume Aether gets stacked to 4

[proud vector]

3 battle skills every 20 seconds

Is the usual output—- wait it’s catcher

Maybe 4

[unreal light]

How many bs per ult

[proud vector]

fckin poor catcher

It’s probably like 10+ unless energy gen

[wanton notch]

I ult only once per fight, but it's like 8 or even 10 I think

[unreal light]

So your fight consists of 10 bs and 1 ulti?

Is it rhodagn?

I thought you were fighting marble

[wanton notch]

It's probably more BS. Yeah Rhodgan. I can try to do basic attempt to showcase

[unreal light]

Ahhh ok

[proud vector]

Maybe like 15-18 bs 1 ult?

[wanton notch]

Marble gonna take 4 min to kill tentacles

[unreal light]

Lmao

[wanton notch]

Brb gonna do example attempt

[proud vector]

Cuz you want to hold ult for stagger

Right

[unreal light]

I’m unsure why you use ult once if you got that many BSes

[frozen tide]

They should add all recrisis boss rush

[unreal light]

You may press it at the beginning of the fight

[frozen tide]

[unreal light]

So it regenerates all the energy once it’s p2 stagger

[potent hornet]

that may be the 15seconds you are missing

[unreal light]

True true

[proud vector]

Welp they doing example attempt so

[unreal light]

Bro is cooking

[proud vector]

now we wait

what if the boss is TWO rodypunchingbags!

at the SAME tIME

[amber vapor]

Make it a weekly with modifiers and fun little stages in between and I'm sold

[unreal light]

Umbral 3 stage

[frozen tide]

Type

[amber vapor]

I still hope they make a roguelite where you recruit a team and get stronger till you fight a boss in the end

[proud vector]

Honestly true LOL

[faint fiber]

When the fuck did gamers turn to this

Even back in the 90's and 00's we expected oour games to be honest. Shit, sure, but honest.

Now? Now I keep hearing people apologising going "LETS WAIT FOR THE PAYED UPDAOTE :)"

Like what

[unreal light]

What if rhodagn was average bonecrusher sized, and there were like 10 of them on the same arena

[frozen tide]

Paid update?

[amber vapor]

Your game would crash from all the flame vfxs

[unreal light]

Welcome to capitalism

[proud vector]

I mean this is like asking a flash game to be better

[faint fiber]

"Yeah the game is complete dogshit farming/afksimulator butr LETS WAIT AND SEE :)" what, what the fuck

[frozen tide]

Rhod tank with marble tentacle summons and dorito lazer

[faint fiber]

BUT ARKNIGHTS WAS BETTER

[unreal light]

Wait till you learn about mobile games monetization and without content

[proud vector]

And it’s ever since that fucking honse armor

I remember the day

[potent hornet]

the art style on the sprites in map made me uninstall

[frozen tide]

Back when whole games could fit in half a cd

[faint fiber]

I'm not in some fucking elfenring or other dacha discord, I'm here, because Arknight was actually good.

[unreal light]

And goes invis

[proud vector]

No wait it might predate honse armor

It might be Korean MMO

Damn you Korean MMO

[amber vapor]

Maplestory prolly

[faint fiber]

Tbh half of what I write here geels like a epitath in making. I wanted to love this game, I fucking hate what it is, and now I just want to bury it

[proud vector]

legitimately, like no salt or anything,

Don’t play, your time deserves better

There are legit good games out there

[unreal light]

Theorycrafting

[potent hornet]

thats fine, announcing it to the world doesn't really do anyone any good. Its not like the devs are lurking in here waiting for your epitath

[proud vector]

Any sort of lingering attachment is the gatcha fear of missing out

[faint fiber]

I wish it wasn't so fam. But here we are 🫂

[proud vector]

Doing psychological manipulation on you

It ain’t worth it man

[amber vapor]

Dawg a theorycrafting chat isn't the place to garner even a smidgen of sympathy for your tirade. If you don't like the game then just stop playing it and do something else instead.

[normal tangle]

korean mmos are highkey worse than gacha games in terms of monetization lmao

[unreal light]

And it’s not only devs

The community hype build up

DONT DO THIS OR YOUR ACCOUNT IS BRICKED

[potent hornet]

the RNG here isn't even bad

[amber vapor]

And if you have any criticisms there's a place in the game called "feedback" for that

[unreal light]

NEVER SKIP THESE 10 CHARACTERS

[potent hornet]

go farm a 20/5 charm in D2

[faint fiber]

Hey use an emote on my comment

[faint fiber]

I won.

[normal tangle]

what teams is perlica good in?

[amber vapor]

She's a great amp support so in all teams other than physical

[normal tangle]

she amps?

[potent hornet]

electrify yea

[faint fiber]

I mean usually yea, I quit wow from that shit.

But Arknights had good stories. Sadly Endfield has nuggets of it

[peak void]

electrification gives generic arts amp

[normal tangle]

man

if only there were any numbers whatsoever

is there a wiki or something

[frozen tide]

Isnt electrification susc

Hard to tell with wording

[normal tangle]

susc is its own thing

[peak void]

its a debuff, arts amp is different mb

arts amp is buff from ops like xaihi

[frozen tide]

All i care is whether they are in the same mult bracket or not

[faint fiber]

I have to say it's fuckng amazing how Endffields doe susch a dogshit job at its stuff.

Like I played Path of Exile and tat shit doex a better job

[frozen tide]

Is electrification bonus in susc bracket

[normal tangle]

what are we saying man

[normal tangle]

yeah i know what path of exile is dude

[boreal parcel]

at how many dupes does wedge become better than p5 navigator?

[normal tangle]

what are YOU saying

[faint fiber]

I hhandle that shit better than Endfield

[normal tangle]

p0

[frozen tide]

Who asked

[peak void]

someone shoot this yapper

[faint fiber]

I was agreeing with you that they do an ass job on communication in Endfuield

[boreal parcel]

certainly not at p0

[normal tangle]

please never agree with me again

you're so annoying i don't even wanna be on the same side

[faint fiber]

Fuck you you can't stop me

[faint fiber]

I agree with this side.

See, now flip you fuck, be on my side or be in the wrong. I win either way

[proud vector]

Ya’ll just spiteful

Comparing PoE, a multi year developed game

[unreal light]

There is a Talos wiki, which shows you all the formulas needed

[proud vector]

To a hatch game in launch week is

A bit of a stretch

[normal tangle]

got a link?

[unreal light]

Gimme a sec

[unreal light]

https://endfield.wiki.gg/wiki/Electrification

[normal tangle]

ty :)

[faint fiber]

Tbh I'm not, I'm just prodigiously enforced by nature to uphold truth, si I call it.

Fucks asks me to enforce a non-negative; I'll do so to prove a negative wrong.

But I agree with you. We are all petty.

[unreal light]

Bro it’s a tc channel

[proud vector]

Upholding the truth implies truth is definitive

And not subjective

if you want to just vent I WILL go down the philosophical rabbit hole

[peak void]

then theres the "My truth" camp

[faint fiber]

Don't do that, no one argued Poe design with Endfield. We're talking about comparisons.

Like how Arknights chapter 1-4 is the start but STILL have better writing than Endfield. There's no Poe/Arknights 7+ years design bullshit defence

[proud vector]

worse in what way

See, subjectivity injected

Let’s go

[normal tangle]

oh it's 1.12x arts dmg for 5s

idk if i'd call that a great general unit

kinda just worse ardelia lowk

[proud vector]

The effect is boosted with arts intensity afaik?

[faint fiber]

I'll engage, but what did you mean

[normal tangle]

yea but still a base of only 12%

[wanton notch]

Shitty attempt, but should give you an idea.

I ult so rarely because I need it to maintain aether stacks, otherwise like in this video they can fall off.

This should be about average amount of BS I use (ignore me accidentally cancelling Finisher at the end and dropping Aether multiple times, during usual prog it doesn't happen)

[proud vector]

You say the story is worse off but the main argument from that is for people who liked the Arknights darkish setting and dislike the glaze right

But this doesn’t mean the story is objectively worse, it just means the target audience has shifted no?

[normal tangle]

with 30 arts intensity it's still 1.14x dmg

which is not a lot

[proud vector]

🤣 that’s fair lol

[normal tangle]

how much intensity does perl run usually

[shrewd root]

is buying sundering for chen worthwhile? rn hers is p3 so itd get it up to p4

[proud vector]

Not the best not the worst to potential up 5*

Arsenal tickets are just painful

[craggy pond]

i think you're overestimating what's considered a good buff in this game, take ardelia's sig, it's the same effect at 16%

[faint fiber]

I agree with your first part but are you in yoir second part literally arguing or justifying slop for the slopers?

I don't mena subjective shit, I mean genuinely going "indoctrinated drone swill eat dogshit and like it and pay for it and who are you to argue that is bad because they find intrinsict value in eating dogshit"

[ancient drift]

They have time to make things “better” the game just launched, people have to chill…

[normal tangle]

yeah but ardelia also gives 28% susc lol

[proud vector]

So it’s “slop” because it’s cheap and mass produced?

[shrewd root]

all i know is that p4 sund >= her 6* wep. idk if spending arsenal tickets on a 5 star is worth it at all though

i could buy deto unit instead

[unreal light]

Alr, I’m cooking right now (like literally doing my breakfast), so I can’t promise anything in the closest hour

[craggy pond]

and perlica can provide an atk buff with stanza as well

[shrewd root]

but idk who this is good for

[normal tangle]

i suppose

[craggy pond]

they both serve the same role

[shrewd root]

or if i should even bother getting it

[amber vapor]

400 tokens is so negligible

Just get it if you want it

[proud vector]

As to say, all slop is bad? And it’s wrong that other people aren’t hating it as much as I hate it?

[unreal light]

400 tokens is 20 pulls

[shrewd root]

is 20 pulls worth of tokens worth it for p4 sundering? rn its p3

[craggy pond]

plus perlica can also serve as a sub dps which is another factor on top of her electrification

[potent hornet]

seems like a lot just for a det unit

[wanton notch]

No problem it is around 20-24 Battle Skills per fight of needed

[normal tangle]

still only 5s electrification though

[potent hornet]

its a pretty comon side pull in a couple banners

[normal tangle]

maybe good for burst stagger windows

[craggy pond]

9

[faint fiber]

No. We both know that isn't true. Look at any standard food.

I'm talking about a product that in its nature HURTS HUMANKIND, and we both know gambling does that. I'm not saying gambling can't make a good product. look at Arknights. But I'm saying we're being given not just a gambling-product like Arknights but a fucking bad one in story and soul.

[craggy pond]

you forgot her p1

[normal tangle]

oh true

[craggy pond]

and her p4 increases the effect to 1.16 btw

[shrewd root]

its the same price as any 6 star direct wep buy, i bought valiant for the same price

[craggy pond]

the base

[normal tangle]

okay with potentials yeah that's not bad

[unreal light]

If you don’t pull for weapons, and you have a stockpile of that, yes it’s def worth it

If you do pull weapons and you need some Laevatain sig before the banner ends, it’s debatable

[shrewd root]

yeah but im not pulling for all of 1.0 cause i js dont like the cast

[craggy pond]

i mean we counted ardelia p1 so it'd be unfair to not count this

[proud vector]

A lot of products “hurt humankind”

Games hurt humankind in theory, no?

And define soul while you are at it

[normal tangle]

ngl i just didn't read perlica pots

[shrewd root]

ive got 9960, spent 0 oro pulls so far since i dont like 1.0 cast

[normal tangle]

i wasn't ignoring them on purpose

[faint fiber]

You're smarter than this

[potent hornet]

yea i get that but its good not crazy good, i would rather pull for a main dps weapon

[unreal light]

I mean sundering is worth buying only if you main Chen

[craggy pond]

ye ik, just mentioning it

[potent hornet]

if you don't have a det unit then yea its probably worht it

[faint fiber]

Or maybe I made a mistake in expectation

[shrewd root]

my one and only team rn is phys premium so chen is the 2nd dps

[potent hornet]

if you do i wouldn't buy it for the pupgrade

[unreal light]

Then it’s worth it

[shrewd root]

alright

[shrewd root]

my main dps is endmin and i alr have his lol

[proud vector]

I personally agree on many points

However this is the philosophical rabbit hole, and my goal is to say that it is subjective not definitive

Since my own experience is subjective this is not some sort of lol hypocrisy

[shrewd root]

i dont have a det unit, but i also dont know who its 2nd bis for

[proud vector]

You are somewhat emotionally engaged with this topic in general because you fail to see why others are ignoring what are glaring flaws to you, no?

[faint fiber]

Nothing makes a wise man more miserable than being proven right

[potent hornet]

it works on ard xaihi and perlica depending on the team

i take it you have stanza as well?

[shrewd root]

yeah i have a copy of stanza

[normal tangle]

isn't stanza better for both of the first two

[shrewd root]

if i get det unit itd js be for a potential future team

since rn im not building a 2nd team

[potent hornet]

you can run both

i do anyway

[tight haven]

gacha games are demon technology

[potent hornet]

detonation on xaihi stanza on perl

[proud vector]

Well, again, I ask. Why is it that people can enjoy this game when you cannot? Is it because the game is definitely bad and other people are deficient, or is it because the game is subjectively bad?

Because neither is like inherently wrong or anything, but it shows the mindset of which you are approaching the topic so we can go deeper

It’s your point of view after all

[tight haven]

unfortunately its very fun demon technology

[pure spoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1368212272345907260/1466630656879493365/chen_scratchy.gif

[shrewd root]

idk i guess ill js save for now then, get deto unit another day if i end up needing it

[normal tangle]

isn't it the other way around

[potent hornet]

i'm running LR

[normal tangle]

oh'

[potent hornet]

detonation only works on xaihi with her

[proud vector]

Oh, and the mental defensive strategy of disengaging when bogged down by specifics in a discussion with the thought of “they aren’t trying to have a genuine discussion, they just trolling” is understandable but I’m being quite serious here

I’m just of the opinion that a good argument can survive the philosophical rabbit hole xD

[wind nebula]

You're both failing to recognize the fundamentals of "bad" and "good". They require context around the goals they are performing well at or underperforming at for those words to mean anything.

"Subjectively bad" without qualifiers on what the metrics are is as meaningless as the objectivity you believe you're fighting about.

Now maybe the channel can return to the topic before mods see what's happening in here

[proud vector]

you think TC theory crafts?

[craggy pond]

it may or may not but this argument is definitely not

[proud vector]

Alright alright I guess that is fair

[craggy pond]

feel free to have an argument on whatever you want but just bring it somewhere else

[proud vector]

can we not TC the human conditi—- joking joking

[faint fiber]

No.

[unreal light]

Never ask how humanity found out at what temperature do humans freeze to death

[ocean hawk]

soo, debuff from clannibal skill isnt that worth it compared to ult gain from obj ? for wulfgard

this one

[potent hornet]

yea the ult gain on obj is insain for him

[ocean hawk]

so we aim for ult gain to refresh his combo faster ?

because of P5 ?

[potent hornet]

thats what i gathered from the sheet

i haven't built up that team yet

[ocean hawk]

aight. I hope I get statstick essence for that obj then (+4 Ult gain nature drop)

[potent hornet]

i'm working on it now

i think i have all the perfect essences for the team

got a second one for stanza and forgeborn

[ocean hawk]

and for wulfgard, I just need to upgrade the weapon just for unlocking the essence bar right ?

leave all the skill at 1 ?

[potent hornet]

it won't be up and running for a bit tho, i put most of my skill level up stuff into my main team

[potent hornet]

no idea on that part

[ocean hawk]

u're building ur third / 2nd team ?

[potent hornet]

second

[ocean hawk]

I see

aight GL to you then

[potent hornet]

i don't have the weapons yet for my 3rd

[ocean hawk]

iirc the third one is elec ?

[potent hornet]

no my 3rd is phys team

[ocean hawk]

since its my third team, and I cant build it yet coz I dont have deto

ah

ur 1st is elec then ?

[potent hornet]

LR

no electric

[ocean hawk]

so, LR, Lae, and Phys ?

[potent hornet]

yerp

[ocean hawk]

I think i'm gonna hold my elec team building plan atm

[potent hornet]

i was hoping that TangTang would be cryo

[ocean hawk]

since fangyi might replace avy

[potent hornet]

yea sadly she probably will

[ocean hawk]

and I dont want my resources wasted on avy if she gonna replaced by fangyi

[ocean hawk]

SoupSoup

[proud vector]

does one eat soup or drink soup

[potent hornet]

Gazpacho is cold, that's a soup

[unreal light]

Bang bang tang tang

[ocean hawk]

I just saw a reddit post about TangTang chinese name writing is literally translates to SoupSoup

[unreal light]

Never stops

[unreal light]

Wait till you learn Chen’s surname

[ocean hawk]

Qianyu ?

or did I miss something

[proud vector]

It’s not actually soup soup

But it does sound like the word for soup and they ARE illiterate

so it’s a joke since it’s spelt wrong as soup

[unreal light]

千语

Look this up

[ocean hawk]

yeah, the cert is literally translate to soup

[ocean hawk]

Thousand Words ?

[unreal light]

Chen the yapper

[ocean hawk]

😭

[unreal light]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-endfield-arknights-endfield-ake-chen-gif-1852193165950969361

[manic blade]

https://tenor.com/view/chen-arknights-chen-qianyu-chen-arknights-endfield-gif-18168964414162263000

[proud vector]

paypal disabled to this day

T’was actually scary lmao

I’m surprised that this drama died down so fast, it was big issue

[potent hornet]

i'm curious to see if they will release content that will require you to run dmg reduction in some way

[proud vector]

Poison mist but

Moooooore

[edgy crater]

haze damage+++

[pure spoke]

My most expensive battlepass purchase for sure

[ocean hawk]

usually, stage tech like DoT mist / poison always bypass damage reduction

since its natural effect

*in other games

[proud vector]

Oh shit aether damage

you’re so right

It will have to be DDR lightning floors

Where you could dodge

But it would tank your uptime

So if you have enough damage reduction you tank it

[covert fern]

I’m trying to debate whether pulsar labs (50% electric + 100 arts intensity) or mi security (35% crit + 25% attack set) is better for a dps perlica. With a good essence on oblivion and gilberta sig buff the electric damage bonus is already 200%, so both sets seem really similar

[proud vector]

But even then dodging can restore SP so

Urgh

[covert fern]

I’m pretty sure 20% main attribute from lynx slab is the best off piece as well

[proud vector]

Difficult to say, the arts intensity buffs her ability to debuff

I think it was high level investment Perlica causes build to change because her damage is relevant

Low level one just intensity for the debuff potency

[unreal light]

Holy shit

I actually found out why this dumbass sword applies one stack instead of two, or does not apply any at all

[proud vector]

[unreal light]

Does anyone have a Chinese Endfield wiki?

[covert fern]

My only issue with arts intensity is that electrification is only a 12%-24% buff so 50% up is 6-12% + 20% electric bonus (10%) But tbf 30% crit rate isn’t that much which is 15%

[proud vector]

Yeah it’s a investment slider kind of thing

A low level Perlica just doesn’t output much damage

So build intensity because that buffs the actual dps

Up until a point where she acts as more of a subdps

Where that transitions idk

[summer flicker]

a electric bot low invest, obl when high invest kindof thing

[unreal light]

Wait sundering is kinda shit ngl

[proud vector]

What did you discover

Bad translations?

Horrors beyond our imagination?

[unreal light]

I haven’t seen Chinese translation yet, but in both Russian and English this is not stated

[summer flicker]

the best one for chen right now , surely when tangtang drop, there gonna be a better option for chen assume they work together

[proud vector]

stop edging us

[unreal light]

But Sundering ain’t giving you stacks if enemy has none vuln

[proud vector]

What did you find

O

[unreal light]

Where is the buff huh

[summer flicker]

you need to "lift"

bruh

enemy need to be "vuln"

to get phys status like lift, crush, breach, etc

[proud vector]

I guess it’s kinda buried under game terminology yeah

You don’t get physical statuses unless there is a vuln already

[summer flicker]

its not sundering being meh, its the phys dynamic

[covert fern]

Crit and electrification are both seperate multipliers that don’t get diluted like arts/electric dmg Technically attack boost from mi security gets diluted from perlica p3 but I would assume the 4 stack electrification is more worthwhile than doing 1 stacks for p3

[proud vector]

Though, iana should be aware of this specific weapon interaction?

So the phys sheets should take into account hopefully?

[summer flicker]

yes, should be, because vuln stack is the base of phys team

[unreal light]

Bruv

I do lift

[summer flicker]

its the game mechanic

[proud vector]

No ya don’t according to the game because lift is conditional kek

[summer flicker]

bruh

[wind nebula]

Physical statuses do nothing except add a vuln stack if a vuln stack is not already present on the target

[proud vector]

Oh you’ll love this

[summer flicker]

Phys status: breach, lift, crush

[proud vector]

Lift is not lifted

they are different terms

[summer flicker]

only happen when enemy is phys vulv

[proud vector]

Is pretty funny

[summer flicker]

if no stack of vulv

[unreal light]

[summer flicker]

you not lift

broooo

🤦‍♂️

[unreal light]

Nah wait it’s the same status

There is no second status or so

[covert fern]

Im gonna say pulsar labs is better until you have multiple dupes of oblivion, but even then if all the enemies die in 2 hits getting bonus dmg on aoe electrification might be more convenient tbh

[unreal light]

It applies lift

[summer flicker]

Lmao, finally read

you need vulv to apply phys status

[unreal light]

Soooo

[summer flicker]

[unreal light]

No I don’t

Skill applies lift, read the description

[ocean hawk]

yes u need, if the enemy doesnt have vuln yet the lift only become vuln

[peak void]

is snowshine the best controlled operator for alluvium afk/semi-afk

[summer flicker]

AND LIFT/ BREACH/ CRUSH has CONDITION BRUH

ITS THE GAME MECHNAIC

[ocean hawk]

this

[proud vector]

Ingame database on lift

[summer flicker]

i thought you read

but yu dont

[proud vector]

Lift =/= lifted it’s so fucking funny

[summer flicker]

You need enemy to be VULV to apply PHYS STATUS

[ocean hawk]

and it literally makes the enemy get "lifted" when the enemy has vuln already, while no vuln lift cast does nothing to the enemy (only apply vuln)

[summer flicker]

the lift do nothing, just add vulv if enemy has 0 vulv

[proud vector]

Technically Gilberta can forcibly lifted no?

[unreal light]

I am going to shit myself right now

[proud vector]

[summer flicker]

yes, its a force lift

as stated in gilb skill

[proud vector]

😭 it’s so goddamn funny I swear to god

[summer flicker]

FORCIBLY

[covert fern]

Lift and knock down are just different visual animations

[covert fern]

+1 to physical affliction

[summer flicker]

phys works like that bruh

what bro dont undesrantd

im losing braincell

[proud vector]

I think they got it now

Lay off it’s a fucked up terminology

Like who the fuck decided lift and lifted were different LOL

[wind nebula]

Who's gonna tell him that when you Breach or Crush on 2+ stacks, it doesn't count as applying vulnerable either?

[summer flicker]

im a yvonne main but have to explain how phys char work

[summer flicker]

i will say, crush, breach is the same

[proud vector]

I knowwww

It’s still fucked

[ocean hawk]

breach / crush will "EAT" the vuln instead if the enemies already has vuln

[summer flicker]

nothing different, no vulv -> apply vulv , if vulv -> effect

its the game mech, get used to it

[proud vector]

Oy oy no need to continue poking

[ocean hawk]

just think of

if else situation when dealing with phys

[covert fern]

You can basically main any character since most of the damage is on the character and not through synergy thankfully. Optimized team comps/meta builds should have always only been 2x and not 10x like Genshin

[proud vector]

I think the revelation of lift vs lifted already brain melted them

[summer flicker]

crush vs crushed

[unreal light]

This shit is so cursed

[proud vector]

[ocean hawk]

IF (enemy has vuln):
apply LIFT;
add 1 more VULN;

Else:
add starter VULN

[ocean hawk]

its the secret sauce of phys team

[proud vector]

the secret curse

nah screw the curse Estelle exists 🩷

all this breach this 4/3/4/3/3/2/2 stuff

Just vuln 4 and crush ez pez

That is what the endmin intended for physical

[summer flicker]

waiting for tangtang to rip both endmin and dapan

surely tangtang and chen will work in a team

[ocean hawk]

my cute last 2 brain cells

figthing for last place

[proud vector]

how does Tangtang actually fight

[unreal light]

You don’t apply lift, that is the thing

You apply lifted

[proud vector]

All we see her do is throw TnT and dodge

[summer flicker]

they should reproduce

[proud vector]

He got you there lift isn’t a physical status

[wind nebula]

No it's worse. applying Lift causes Lifted

[safe nymph]

is it worth to use arsenal tickets on stanza (whenever it’s on rotation)

[summer flicker]

stanza da goat

either 2nd best or best

[safe nymph]

fuck bruh i always ask stupid shit like this in the wrong chat

[proud vector]

I dunno honestly

[summer flicker]

unless you have same element as the mdps

then rip

[proud vector]

Like if you don’t have one (it’s free no?) then I would say yes

But the value of 400 Arsenal tickets for a dupe is

[summer flicker]

good

[proud vector]

Sometimes it can make sense but in other cases no right?

[summer flicker]

stanza is worth it

[proud vector]

Arsenal tickets are raaare

[summer flicker]

p5 stanza > p0 gilb sig

[proud vector]

I mean not wrong

[safe nymph]

it’s like 1.8% or is it 1.2% increase on atk per potential

[summer flicker]

1 week give you 100, and you prolly can get 100 from credit shop per week

[wind nebula]

Until content puts pressure on me to maximize builds, I see zero reason to buy weapon dupes directly

[summer flicker]

and stanza feel like every 2 week or sth, you cover your 400

[safe nymph]

very fair point

[proud vector]

He second issue is that well

Stanza is in all weapon banners as a 5*

You’ll get dupes like no problem in theory

[compact bridge]

Really?

[summer flicker]

for yvonne

dont know about other tho

[safe nymph]

i only have a single copy and i believe i did 24 pulls on laes weapon

[covert fern]

Which is better p5 5* or p0 6* or are they about the same?

[unreal light]

Ain’t working for fluorite

[proud vector]

Like over tiiiime over time

[summer flicker]

tldr when its better: you cant apply a big corrosion with gilb
else if you can like in electric team, i think gilb sig better because it gives you ult efff to run art intensity set -> big corrosion buff

[safe nymph]

both are great points i for now will save until there is another op that is worth all inning for

[summer flicker]

[ancient drift]

I’ll have to make my Xaihi, the smartest on earth, that or hit every little single crit, even my ardelia will have to crit… My best time though… 35sec kill

Not even putting my laev armor on xaihi worked, fk this game..

LR P1

[safe nymph]

i don’t really have a need for gilb atm because i have my phys and lae teams with no last right to utilize her

[wind nebula]

Gilb is a stonks pull, not necessarily an immediate value pull

[proud vector]

she’s got some sauce but time will tell how well it ferments

[compact bridge]

Is it possible to use gilb ult every 20s for stanza buff?

[safe nymph]

the real question is the weapon tho

[proud vector]

she did not show up on my free pulls though so oofies ouchies

[summer flicker]

why, i dont think there rot that fast tho hmm

[wind nebula]

How so? You should accidentally wind up with one of her good 5 stars by the time it matters.

In current content she could wear a level one blue weapon and still do her job

[safe nymph]

i know having her will be nice long term but idk bout her weapon bc by the time i find a use for her my stanza might be potential 5

[summer flicker]

gilb is for a burst team tho, so most of the dmg is in like 5s

[proud vector]

That’s the power of FOMO

That’s the psychological trap

That’s how they print money

Recognise the salesman’s smile

[compact bridge]

Well, how long until i can do that 5s again ?

[safe nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/me-irl-clown-embarrased-shame-joe-coin-gif-12499492981479236052

[summer flicker]

rot in this game seems like 1 min long

[proud vector]

Nah that’s just physical LOL

[ancient drift]

Gilb can fit any team, and makes ur life much easier in a bunch of content, definitely a really good pull

[proud vector]

LR is like 20~30 seconds

[covert fern]

If they power creep like hoyoverse games you probably have to use it in the same patch or at least version or else it goes stale

[summer flicker]

yvonne

[proud vector]

Electron is a bit indeterminant

Depends on how much spear you want to stack

Shatter phys is on a 20 second rot

[peak void]

can someone gaslight me into raising snowshine

[wind nebula]

Oh, her Sig? I consider her Sig a total waste because even the gap between that and p1 5 star options doesn't impress me

[proud vector]

And yv*one exists

[proud vector]

Super armor
No need to lose time to dodge just face tank with snowshine

[safe nymph]

let’s pray this game is not like that i do not want to see hp and def scaling while they release better ops bc hoyo makes old units feel weaker and weaker every patch

[covert fern]

I’m gonna say arts intensity from pulsar labs is low key op because there’s no substitute to electrification/corrosion/breach. There will be other sources of crit besides mi security which is probably the safest as a generalist dps set but loses to specific sets. Atleast from a game design perspective

[peak void]

what if i want to literally press no buttons

except maybe once every 25 seconds for her combo

[proud vector]

Can’t even uninstall
It’s so over

[peak void]

yea im cooked

[proud vector]

Well there is no substitute for amp either

you don’t see me complainin

A multiplicative bracket is not special in this game when there are like

[covert fern]

There will be other sources of amp I’m sure but it’s safe to say you can build your favorite units and still clear endgame unlike hoyoverse

[proud vector]

A fuckton of brackets LOL

[wind nebula]

Sig need do one of a few things to get me to pull:

1. Unlock a new play style
2. Elevate them above other characters that would do their job better other wise
3. Let me clear something I couldn't otherwise
4. Make them look ten times cooler than they do without it

[covert fern]

Unless you get c6

[safe nymph]

it would be really cool to see an op who utilizes crit to instead do something else entirely like instead of the unit critting it does an extra hit that does x damage and x stagger or does an arts effect

[compact bridge]

So im using gilberta ult once every 1 minute? Does her sig help with that or nah

[proud vector]

Oh god that’s only in games that go to 100% crit rate

It will be so rng otherwise hahahaha

Maybe if the skill is like a 10-hit rapid fire mag dump

That would be so cool actually

[late swallow]

Oh wait Kthree you helped with that Arclight dps team right?
I kinda figured out how to make it work, just need to invest now

[proud vector]

Coool!

[unreal light]

whatcha say about never rest

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461535111223967764/1469085353213169855/2026-02-05_224002.gif

[late swallow]

ERB

[wind nebula]

Worse than a hole in the head

[unreal light]

at this point of time

and only for an endmin

for 6.5k chen never rest is the only buff she desires

[late swallow]

cough

[potent hornet]

the temp aluviums are one and done yea?

[late swallow]

cough cough

[covert fern]

Yeah it’s nice that crit is actually a bonus and not something to maintain.

[late swallow]

Hope they make a better crit set
I'm just following trends here but saw some people saying it's kinda weak, even tho Yvonne buffs her cr and cdmg

[wind nebula]

DMG bonus is over saturated, Pog is better stacking arts intensity and Ult spam, or carrying thermite cutter to provide the less saturated ATK% buff

[unreal light]

once again, for 6,5k chen atk% is over saturated

[covert fern]

The crit set is supposed to be a generalist set, not supposed to beat specialist sets

[wind nebula]

Then you run the arts intensity to scale breach and spam Ults. This means you run fortmaker

[proud vector]

Wait wait how does Chen get atk% again? Gear?

[unreal light]

Sundering, Tal1

[late swallow]

One day I'll make my Pog be a buffer, not today tho
When a new phys unit releases I'll try Pog + Fortmaker ye

[proud vector]

eh I guess?

[covert fern]

Crit set is probably only best if the character specifically scales off crit and not just the 50% crit dmg

[unreal light]

40% atk from tal1

[proud vector]

dats a lotta stackin

[shrewd root]

yvonne exclusively kek

[proud vector]

Technically perl crits a little more

But Lel

[late swallow]

Only p5 but thats a huuuge stretch

[shrewd root]

shes a sub dps so who cares, and thats only at p5 iirc

[proud vector]

yeah that why I said lel

[late swallow]

Also she has Yvonne's +30% cr for """free""" get owned stupid engineer 😎

[proud vector]

I knoowwww

[shrewd root]

engineer?

[potent hornet]

my self made gameplay of transporting ferrium from valley to wuling every 3 days

[late swallow]

Idk what Yvonne is tbh

[proud vector]

She is an engineer

[unreal light]

56% from sundering

[proud vector]

Pretty sure

[late swallow]

May be

[shrewd root]

oh ybon

yeah sure lets go with that

[proud vector]

I mean now that working from home exists

[undone condor]

She's IT expert

[late swallow]

Stacking atk beyond 6k is overkill?

[shrewd root]

daily sh in this game takes too long

[proud vector]

still under engineer tbh

[shrewd root]

nah, 5 digit minimum

[proud vector]

She does r&d

[late swallow]

I dumped will on Pog, idk if I should do the same on Laev to ger more base atk or nah

[potent hornet]

i mean i normally get my daily shit done in like an hour or 2

[shrewd root]

yeah thats too long for a daily grind bruh, ts is not an mmo with infinite grind scaling

[proud vector]

what in the Chinese

[late swallow]

If you want breach yeah worth it
If you want dps Pog, hm

[unreal light]

I have no ideo what any of this means

[shrewd root]

pog dps = no

do not the pog

[late swallow]

= yes

[ornate pendant]

Pog dps late game is sad

[proud vector]

Why not the pog

[late swallow]

That's how my Pog is built

[shrewd root]

nuh uh

[late swallow]

Not gonna change that rn

[shrewd root]

you do small pp dmg

[late swallow]

40k is good enough

[shrewd root]

weak

[ornate pendant]

pog and not POG

[late swallow]

I dont think I need more than that to do dailies

[shrewd root]

i sneeze and hit 40k

[wind nebula]

How much multiplier can he fit into a stagger window?

[late swallow]

You think I time my rotation?

I play with vibes

[shrewd root]

we got zaza over here

[potent hornet]

i mean i guess if you want to play the game less

[proud vector]

ok to clarify I’m sure Vini knows it’s suboptimal, this is a vibes player in the flesh

[rare zodiac]

That is like 1 basic from Lae

[late swallow]

Ye I just love Pog and wont change him for Endmin or the cute panda no no no

[unreal light]

wait this shit makes much more sense

[late swallow]

Uh uh uh

[shrewd root]

theres a difference in playing the game cause theres good gameplay to be enjoyed and playing the game because there are monotonous daily missions to do

[unreal light]

wait who the fuck translated the game

[proud vector]

lmao that’s who I’m mad at too

[unreal light]

https://tenor.com/view/mass-effect-asari-dies-dies-of-death-meme-mass-effect3-gif-25205061

[late swallow]

There are a lot of errors yeah

[wind nebula]

Lol I'm just saying I'd you compare the multipliers that form the foundation of the damage characters can deal, you might realize why people don't recommend Pog dps.

If anything it's good to do it now because eventually it probably won't work anymore at all

[unreal light]

this is so needed

[shrewd root]

not sure what i js did but i turned my 5090 into a jet engine for a moment

[unreal light]

in other translations

[safe nymph]

tri makes me mald so i take break and only do daily

[late swallow]

I didnt say it is optimal to play dps Pog, I said I enjoy his gameplay so the game is fun for me

[covert fern]

7 delivery missions is kinda annoying even with ziplines, but fortunately you get a lot of valley 4 stock bills. And you don’t actually need all the valley permits unless you refill sanity with origeometry. Wuling artifices on the other hand

[unreal light]

for christs sake

[shrewd root]

daily takes too long

lemme automate

[proud vector]

What do people even do daily

[shrewd root]

with cancer rocks

[manic blade]

we'll get more sky forges and bases in the future at least

[proud vector]

I just kinda sit on Dijang to do stocks stuff and gift stuff and then zip down for spending stamina

[manic blade]

limited catylysts is rough

[proud vector]

That takes so little time

[safe nymph]

only daily thing i skip are the valley 4 depots everything else is worth doing imo

[unreal light]

I wake up, log into discord, learn that lift is not lifted

[late swallow]

I do what I have to and if I feel like doing some tomfoolery I make random comps

[manic blade]

also when you hit 40 pity on the 2 liner kits b2b times.............................

[covert fern]

Giving gifts to every single operator on Dijiang takes too long, 5 visits for clue exchange takes too long, 7 deliveries takes too long

[late swallow]

Brother I play on a 15yo HDD, do you think it's long?

[proud vector]

Huh? But you can get that done in 5 mins?

[late swallow]

Yeah

[proud vector]

Oh gifting everyone

[late swallow]

Super Quick

[proud vector]

Yeah ok fair

[shrewd root]

bird engine supplies(i skip these now), the recovering world mats, 4 depots, 3 bonus depots, dijiang stuff, friend boosts x10, stocks, sanity stuff, actually daily quest score to 100, too much stuff

[safe nymph]

oh i don’t do the gift thing ?

[late swallow]

You get a bunch of creds

[shrewd root]

oh what, you get creds for giving gifts????

[proud vector]

Oh I do daily quest with gifting a single operator and making a gear (using like the weakest gear components for a lv28 chest, I have so many left over)
That’s like all I need for 100 lol

[late swallow]

Also you are thinking about this as a mean to get rich
I gift cuz I love people 🤗

[late swallow]

Like 40? 50? Around that

[shrewd root]

fuck people get money

[shrewd root]

thats so much i have been slacking

[covert fern]

It’s basically required to fill your friends list with randoms because of elastic distribution being worth 4k bills for each item. So 200k wuling bills and 1280k valley bills each day

[shrewd root]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[late swallow]

In the biblical sense or the ahole?

[shrewd root]

dude.

[safe nymph]

yeah that’s true honestly lol

[proud vector]

But I don’t want to because I can’t pin my friends on top of the list

It’s such pain in ass

[steel trench]

if Laevatin is my main DPS is it worth maxing all masteries or just her ult is fine? is it worth the investment?

[proud vector]

[wind nebula]

Log in, transfer Wuling and power plateau, level one op, level one weapon, give one gift, stocks, region trade, manage rooms, sanity, friend visits, finish deliveries, do credit store.

I usually split that up over the day poking at bits before work and during break

[shrewd root]

fuck friends get money

oh yeah forgot to add outpost selling

[proud vector]

[late swallow]

I dont have friends who play Endfield so not a problem for me 😎..... 🙁

[covert fern]

And clue exchange too gives a lot of damn creds. It’s atleast 2 refills a day worth of materials if you do 2 refreshes and only buy 50%, 75%, or 99%

[shrewd root]

im just mindlessly climbing zzz tower for the top 1% title

[rare zodiac]

Hot work? Then BS too

[shrewd root]

sigh.

[late swallow]

Also if you do dailies as an obligation you can just... Dont... And do it later... If it aint fun dont overload yourself

[shrewd root]

im so bored.

[safe nymph]

i personally think it’s worth maxing everything bc out of ult the combo skill and the defense break hit do a LOT more dmg when m3 compared to level 9

[late swallow]

Another error?

[proud vector]

No I think we broken them

They are still mentally recovering from lift vs lifted

[late swallow]

Maybe they love phys status

[shrewd root]

you see, i dislike missing stuff. so js lemme automate some of this stuff. youre telling me i can have a portable storage port and infinite energy beams using cancer rocks but i can have it pick up some refreshing mats and bird stock?

[late swallow]

This will come, they said that
Although I thought it would come last hotfix lol

It didnt

[covert fern]

You can basically skip all the dailies other than spending sanity and the 100 activity exp, except wuling

[late swallow]

Yes

[safe nymph]

if you’re not diajing lvl 5 you should keep picking up the bird things

[covert fern]

But honestly I don’t expect gear artificing to be that much of a bottleneck

[shrewd root]

yeah same, too slow, daily take too long. also ziplines. why do they move so slowly. i sit on that thing for like multiple minutes, make it faster

[safe nymph]

if you are don’t even worry about them

[shrewd root]

brosef i was one of the first people playing this game, ive done everything there is to do

[proud vector]

Prod them if bored lol

[wanton notch]

Always wondered, is there's any real difference between lifted and knocked down?

[proud vector]

Animation I guess

[late swallow]

Just animation maybe

[proud vector]

Does knockdown knockback?

[covert fern]

If you have to cut a daily id probably say valley 4 deliveries

[late swallow]

Unless a unit interacts with lift/knockdown in a diff wsy

[covert fern]

Feels bad to miss the 90 creds tho

[proud vector]

Oh technically lifted has synergy with Gilberta but not knocked down

Since Gilberta can extend lifts

[safe nymph]

wasting time doing that then unless they want to do some wild shit and you’re gonna be the only one with it