theorycrafting

[tight haven]

ok god it

[wintry hazel]

Legit lol I prob just pull gil

[tight haven]

got it

[tight haven]

okay yk what

im making decisions for you

from now on.

[drifting quest]

lied to like me

or by me

[tight haven]

pull gilb

[wintry hazel]

Bet bet

My senpai so kakkoi

[drifting quest]

old sources (cough prydwen cough) were saying she's out that sooner

[ripe parrot]

make sure to lose the 50-50 too

[wintry hazel]

What next

[dry kindle]

4 hours till 9p1y

[wintry hazel]

Can I pull you

[dry kindle]

[tight haven]

save for tangtang

just use stanza for now

[gritty olive]

oh @tight haven try to make everything as early as possible
i could allow you to do like 3 dashes max

[tight haven]

im right here lowkey

[wintry hazel]

Imagine tangtang 5*

[tight haven]

oh am i doing animation cancels

[wintry hazel]

Bet bet

[tight haven]

euuughhhg those make my tummy hurt

[wintry hazel]

Heard her sig has no use for ele team

[tight haven]

it does

[dry kindle]

Who's

[tight haven]

the ult eff is significant

[dry kindle]

Gilb sig is like

50% ult at max

[wintry hazel]

Gilb

[tight haven]

its p fat

yea

[gritty olive]

hmm

[tight haven]

plus she gives gongo arts dmg+

[gritty olive]

currently its like this

[dry kindle]

And 25% arts damage dealt on sig

[tight haven]

ok ill try to make it work

dude thats like

so many n5s

[gritty olive]

after she does her skill, she needs FIVE n5 strings to make sure mister wulfgard gets his combo in time

[tight haven]

wtf is this rot

[gritty olive]

i know right

[wintry hazel]

Good for other but not ele wasn't it

[gritty olive]

now you see why my calcs takes so long to do

[tight haven]

ok ill do it in a bit

vs rhodagn yes

[gritty olive]

im doing onfield tests over doing calcs blindly

[tight haven]

h

[gritty olive]

i should just add a delay function here lol

[wintry hazel]

Max the essence or keep it only lv 20 but Max passive

[gritty olive]

@tight haven this is what im ideally doing

p1 p2 p3 p4 p5

[tight haven]

max passive nothing else matters

only time maxing an essence matters is for your dps

[wintry hazel]

Okaii love you

[tight haven]

i love me too

[dry kindle]

Or you wanna be funny and max ult gain

[tight haven]

tru

dude my ange essence

is so ready.

[dry kindle]

Ok whel

[wintry hazel]

Context was stanza

[tight haven]

+6 ult eff alr

[tight haven]

[dry kindle]

[wintry hazel]

Since my Sinclair told me stick stanza

[torn raft]

Damn how much san u buying

Or did u high roll

[tight haven]

i think ive spent 60 origeo total on san

[dry kindle]

X

[tight haven]

omg.

[torn raft]

[tight haven]

my luck is so bad it makes me want to cry and go to bed

[torn raft]

Ive bought some but stopped

Did u go for 5 to 6

[dire warren]

is umbral torch better than thermite cutter on akekuri? is her personal damage that good?

[wintry hazel]

Lv 80 Max ult skill only?

[tight haven]

nah just first four

[torn raft]

Or just gel that

[tight haven]

for gilb?

max ult only

[torn raft]

Im coping to hit it before i hit 900 lmao

[wintry hazel]

Okay

[torn raft]

Gambler's falacy

[tight haven]

bskill cskill can be left at lv6

theyre just damage tools for the most part

[wintry hazel]

Where is dmg when stanza lv 20

[gritty olive]

im not calculating if akekuri gets something out of her weapons being changed. sorry

[vapid pecan]

guys if im trying for an laevatain weapon essence if i use an engraving do i pick the first two stats and let the skill stat be random or??

[drifting quest]

atk% has more hits for other weapons than twilight

[vapid pecan]

so this is the best i could do?

[drifting quest]

i dont know what the best 3 attributes are, give the pins in team build a look over and pick based on that

but generally should be better in the long run yes

[dry kindle]

https://endfieldtools.dev/weapon-essence-solver/

[vapid pecan]

this are

[drifting quest]

yes im saying look at other weapons with atk% secondary and pick the 3 lines based on which ones you would also want essences for

[gritty olive]

shuo question

how will i manage to get enough magma stacks during laev ult for enhanced skill

[drifting quest]

laev basics in ult can generate them

also in turn can proc combo skills to generate more

[vapid pecan]

is this good? im sorry i dont understand shit of this essence system

[drifting quest]

yes

no

not int

i misread

you want all 3

[torn raft]

Unless it got recently updated a lot of it is wrong

[drifting quest]

int boost, atk boost, twilight

[torn raft]

[gritty olive]

wait wtf

[dry kindle]

[torn raft]

I still have to look at horrible in game ui

[dry kindle]

The solver is fine now

[vapid pecan]

oh ok i think i get it

[wise gate]

my luck is so luck that it makes luck want to luck and go to luck

[torn raft]

still says i can farm clannibal with ardelia weapon

[dry kindle]

Yeah you can farm a 2/3

[torn raft]

oh wait i didnt see that part

my b

[drifting quest]

less reading more winrate

[torn raft]

it's information that I thought wouldnt be added cause who would care for the 2/3, thank you

[normal tangle]

what's even the point of farming support essences lol

just get xx3 and call it a day

no point in perfect

[dry kindle]

Ult gain

[drifting quest]

stat boosts for supports who scale off stats

futureproofing

[torn raft]

why not farm it, need to farm a gorillion gel anyways

im not in a rush to get a 16m decoration

[gritty olive]

btw which of these is her finisher

[tranquil burrow]

Gilberta for example wants 2 of her 3 lines maxed

[dry kindle]

Third one

[amber vapor]

3rd and 6th (spiral)

[amber vapor]

One you can't even actually interact with, mind you.

[gritty olive]

does she even have an ult finisher

or is just that her enhanced skill

[dry kindle]

You can't finisher in ult

[gritty olive]

whats the sixth one

[dry kindle]

Enhanced bskill

[amber vapor]

Oh by finisher I thought you meant bskills

Brain no work

[boreal coral]

ofc it doesn’t have infliction

[lavish jay]

im building the second team cause why not, was wondering the endmin/pog/lifeng/chen.. who is the onfielder? the one im supposed to invest more into? cause all of them currently at 60/80.. dont know who to bring up first 🤣

[dry kindle]

Everyone

Welcome to phys

[timber harness]

is this the theorycraft channel or the physical element glaze circle jerk session channel

[dry kindle]

[dire nymph]

u missed the ember glaze day

[lavish jay]

serious question tho 🙁 cause i see like endmin and pog seems really nice to be onfielders.. but lifeng is also good apparently

[timber harness]

ngl id glaze her too

[tight haven]

yeah sorry dude this is the ember dps theorycrafting channel

[timber harness]

how tf is her design that good

[tight haven]

and the crit laev theorycrafting channel

[dire nymph]

you'd want to get everyone up (srsly)

[dry kindle]

Pogra can technically stay 60/80

[timber harness]

last time people talked about ember when i was here they were calling people building stagger ember stupid

[dry kindle]

Except you want masteries

So

🔥

[dire nymph]

ya i have him 80/90

[lavish jay]

ah equally? i mean i will eventually just that i have enough mats for 1 to 90 first.. or should i bring them equally to 80 first then 90 together?

[timber harness]

i got a second account just to try ember but dont have that greatsword i need sadge

will wait for the shop cycle

[dire nymph]

i brought them all 80/80 and it was fairly easy then i hit a wall getting them to 90

doesnt help i also got laev up to 80/90

[dry kindle]

Stop being poor

[tight haven]

i think we lowkey pigeonhole ourselves into trying to suggest other shit when people want to make specific things work and it results in unfun and toxic conversations like that

[dry kindle]

[dire nymph]

make them add another bp tier then sure

[tight haven]

like theres not really any reason to build stagger ember sure

but like, also, theres no reason not to

[lavish jay]

oh yeah i check the pins one, pog with fortmaker needs the sets artifice right and the wep level right? cause if i use fortmaker i dont have to swap ake out of thermite..

[timber harness]

seems effective enough for people to get trimmings anyway

as long as theres no boring ass speed dps check endgame it shouldnt matter

[drifting quest]

team-build is more for 'playwhatyouwant' people

[tight haven]

yea it works

[sand pike]

what's the rotation used for the phys calcs in the teambuilding guide?

[timber harness]

trimmings to me are the "this is playable" seal of approval in my book

[drifting quest]

there's not much to theorycraft for objectively bad units because they're simply worse versions of better ones

it also just sort of causes more issues than it solves

[swift tundra]

I don't think trimmings will matter much when your characters are maxed out and you can clear through sheer stats.

[timber harness]

hear me out tho what if they add a mode where if you dont have sustain you just explode

[drifting quest]

case and point all the people who think laev wulf pog ember is a real team because they're in the doc

[drifting quest]

then you run ardelia

because in such a case ember still does nothing

because she doesnt sustain anything meaningful

[timber harness]

i think in a scenario where you're taking massive hits mitigation trumps trying to heal zero hp unless im missing something

[drifting quest]

any use case you can imagine for ember either another unit does it better

[sand pike]

sustainless in a game with a functioning dodge is perfectly fine

[drifting quest]

or you just dodge

[sand pike]

and tacticals exist

[dry kindle]

Cbt1 dodge

[timber harness]

eh yeah tacticals trivialize sustains in general from what ive seen

[drifting quest]

'oh but what if i can dodge'
i sure am glad they gave a hugely generous dodge window

[timber harness]

but at the same time they have content where they remove your tacticals

[drifting quest]

would it shock you to find out that most optimal teams if not all of them are sustainless

[sand pike]

ngl I somehow have more problems with Endfield dodge than similar games I play 💀

[drifting quest]

i think its all of them even

[dry kindle]

Inb4 they start adding bosses with longer holds than elden ring bosses

[sand pike]

it feels strangely awkward

[drifting quest]

neither cryo team runs ardelia
fire doesnt run her
phys obv doesnt
elec doesnt
shatter doesnt

what is left

[sand pike]

Zhuang Fanyi nature dps surely

:clueless

[timber harness]

kinda like it that way. sustainless physical means i can always find a reason to run endmin even when they get crept and its just cope from that point on

[drifting quest]

so yeah i mean tldr like

[manic blade]

I run her :3 she's fun

[drifting quest]

of course the channel more focused on the most optimal teams and gameplay doesnt recommend the unit who does absolutely nothing in any team in any case that other units dont do better

[timber harness]

wheres the weird ardelia fan guy at

this would be good bait

[lavish jay]

fire doesnt run ardelia? 🤔

[drifting quest]

no antal ake wulf is just better on average

[manic blade]

I mean she's pretty good? at p1 how far is she behind like antal

[drifting quest]

we always knew ardelia wasnt amazing because of trying to fit her skills into the rot wasnt consistent

but ease of use kept her in the baseline team

plus comfort through story

but late game plus investments of course the unit thats just better at her job, cheaper and helps to stack gets in

[manic blade]

she sure as hell was helpful with pre nerf marble

[sly nymph]

isnt clannibal dogshit compared to obj

[manic blade]

now that fight isn't even hard.

[sly nymph]

another sig that sucks

[tight haven]

its just okay

it needs you to use sp which is not a good value proposition in laevs team

[sly nymph]

at least give it ult gen

[tight haven]

it can come up on the fly but if you have fully artificed gear on wulf then neither matters

as in full ult eff

its not going to meaningfully change any rotations so you might as well use clan

[drifting quest]

nothingburger preference option

same as a lot of things

if we somehow get more sp in the team than akekuri then maybe clannibal active lines work

[dry kindle]

Rossi

Trust the process

[drifting quest]

but just as easily wulf could get booted off the team and clannibal never sees the light of day

[manic blade]

we skippin gilb and hard saving for rossi

prayge

[dry kindle]

We know you're swiping for both

[manic blade]

WeGood

[drifting quest]

16 hours till gilb

[sand pike]

how copege is Lifeng without Valiant/Sig

[drifting quest]

ult bot

[manic blade]

16 hours til umbral...

[sand pike]

Chimeric Justice tech surely

[drifting quest]

umbral is like 5 days off

[manic blade]

WHAT RLLY

[sand pike]

is his contribution outside ult significant

[manic blade]

bruh

[drifting quest]

feb 12

feb 26 for second one

[frozen tide]

I thought its dropping td

[dire nymph]

its just event + ange

[drifting quest]

2 events + ange

[dire nymph]

i thought it was yesterday

hope we get 5 million mats

[drifting quest]

carly's fairytale + glittering life

one is a photo event, daily gated

the other is unknown

[dry kindle]

Yeah I'm fucked

[lavish jay]

i want tangtang.. love how she is a brat

[dry kindle]

Laev solos it is

[dire nymph]

ure done farming xp?

[dry kindle]

Fuck no

[dire nymph]

🐳

[dry kindle]

Paid bp doesn't even have much xp

[dire nymph]

it carried my creds

[dry kindle]

Not xp you dork

[sand pike]

chat how big is Lifeng's contribution outside of Ult? Wondering if I should get Valiant in the shop

[dire nymph]

u need creds for levelling

[frozen tide]

You gotta get a bit of xp from everywhere

[dire nymph]

:D

[frozen tide]

[sand pike]

assuming sustainless phys

[lavish jay]

im almost done with all the exp/creds stuff from here 🙁 need to spend sanity afters if i wanna bring more chars up 🤣

wish the wuling one had more stuffs to buy besides creds

[high finch]

why art intensity build on lifeng here i dont get it

[frozen tide]

Cause phys effects scale with intensity

Even though its called arts intensity

[high finch]

but lifeng doesnt consume vulns

he only does lift which is doesnt get buffed by arts intensity in terms of dmg

like for 100 intensity you get 5 extra stagger

[vagrant sparrow]

how many of these do we need per piece

[frozen tide]

Where'd you get that number from

[high finch]

from gouba vid

also like lemme check ingame

[frozen tide]

Knock down stagger scales pretty well with intensity

Iirc its 0.5 percent per intensity up to 100

0.3333.. past 100

[lavish jay]

cant really say.. if ur lucky u use very little per piece..

[high finch]

so at 100 it's 50%

[frozen tide]

Yuh

[high finch]

10* (1+0,5)= 15

it's 5 extra stagger for 100

it's nothing

[dry kindle]

5 is a lot when you're spamming that shit vs 280 total bosses

[drifting quest]

doesnt lifeng have a ton of extra stagger

plus knock down

[frozen tide]

Lifeng ult and bskill both apply knock down yea

[high finch]

i was actually wrong about it not buffing dmg

[high finch]

but i dunno is it worth to buff lift dmg

[frozen tide]

As well as talent active

[dry kindle]

💀

[frozen tide]

Isn't the dorito strat to perma stun with phys

[tranquil burrow]

Feels like the strat with everyone

You let him move it's going to take 10 billion years

[frozen tide]

Lmao yeah

I want to bring smth up but im scared

The more you ult on ember the closer her stagger gets to lifengs

And eventually surpass

[vagrant sparrow]

so is this the set everyone is maxing on laev

i kinda wanna max a set

[drifting quest]

wait like a week longer

buy the mats

[vagrant sparrow]

okey okey

[drifting quest]

if you can hold your impulse then wait like 3 weeks

[vagrant sparrow]

i can def wait 3 weeks

[drifting quest]

do that then

[vagrant sparrow]

i can wait until i get content that actually forces me to gear up

[tranquil burrow]

I maxed out the other set, I don't sit well with that giga battle skill dmg bonus missing

[drifting quest]

no current content needs artificing
umbral monument is the assumed rotating endgame, first one is feb 12 but is like super easy per cbt
second is feb 26 which will be the real test case. we'll also find out if there's more after feb 26

[vagrant sparrow]

right now im just trying to get essences for my physical team while farming coolant for my last tap on laev essence

[frozen tide]

Getting 303 on a sets not even that bad so I've just been balling

[tranquil burrow]

I feel like you'll never get it then

[frozen tide]

If it turns out to be ass i artifice another set

[frigid vector]

this isn't right

it's just 0.5% for stagger period

the diminishing returns has nothing to do with it being over 100

it's a formula

2 x value / (value +300) iirc

[vagrant sparrow]

need thermite cutter essence for pog

and akekuri (?)

[frozen tide]

Gimme a sec

[vagrant sparrow]

also farming exemplar essence for panda

[frigid vector]

but that was for stuff like breach/elec/corrosion effect enh

[frozen tide]

The other part i gotta check but for this part to be true the game has to be straight lying

[frigid vector]

188 arts intensity leads to:

• 188% DMG increase (1:1)
• 77% effect increase (2 x 188 / (188 +300)) = 0.77
• 94% stagger increase (1:0.5)

[vagrant sparrow]

finally oh man this took so much sanity xD

[frigid vector]

stagger has no diminishing returns

and 100 isn't a threshold it just doesn't matter

it's just based on the formula

[vagrant sparrow]

sadly still will have to stay in the mines cuz no exemplar essence yet

[frigid vector]

so it's pretty good generally as there's no diminishing returns in that sense for stagger

[frozen tide]

ah ic

[frigid vector]

but of course stuff like breach/corrison etc will have the lowest increase due to the formula

[frozen tide]

i thought it was the same as the bursts

[frigid vector]

tbh the game does not make it clear

[dry kindle]

Me when combustion dps

[frozen tide]

so the stagger the game mentions of is not stagger buildup but duration?

[gritty olive]

im still working this out later after i fix some hiccups in my sheet

[boreal coral]

I maxed it out cuz worst case scenario you just slap those pieces on ake or wulf

[gritty olive]

im still at the edge on 200% ult

[frigid vector]

it should be stagger build-up I'm pretty sure

but I can test it later

[frozen tide]

aight

[frigid vector]

each enemy has its own distinct stagger duration

[frozen tide]

and also might as well ask this now

if a skill is said to apply knockdown and has a stagger value

that stagger value is tied to the knockdown right

[frigid vector]

pretty sure it should be distinct, stagger on a skill isn't the one inflicted by the vuln effect

else skills that build the first vuln stack would have no stagger

[dry kindle]

Knockdown is 10 stagger

[frozen tide]

i see

i thought those were tied

ember is even more ass than i thought comapred to lif

[frigid vector]

now if you ask me if the stagger increase applies to KD from a character, I'd say yes but that's only feelscrafting I haven't actually labbed it

I don't see why it shouldn't but with how this weird this game can be sometimes

[frozen tide]

i think english wording is also more cryptic than the og chinese

welp anyhow thanks for clearing things up

[dry kindle]

Wiki guys stopped being lazy

[frigid vector]

I just had a come to jesus moment when I realised "hold on this doesn't look right" and went to check

so now I dispense the +300 knowledge 😔

which tbh I just shamelessly found on bj's doc

wiki definitely been looking good lately though with the info

didn't realise it was updated there that's good to know

[frozen tide]

which wiki is this

[frigid vector]

think their reactions page had a glow up generally and that's great

https://endfield.wiki.gg/

[frozen tide]

wikis do take a bit to get started with new games

[dry kindle]

Idk if any of them are here because to ask because they have breach at 11/14/17/20

Inb4 level scaling

[frigid vector]

those are also the values on BJ's doc

[frigid vector]

so that seems right to me(?)

[frozen tide]

sheesh

[frigid vector]

https://shimo.im/docs/erAdM7JrNxtZy53G

[dry kindle]

Isnt it 12 16 20 24 there as well

[lavish jay]

man i wish i was into calculating stuffs still for games.. it takes a lot of time and effort nowadays 😭

[frigid vector]

section 2.1.2 I believe

[dry kindle]

Dies

[frigid vector]

if current arts intensity/breach calcs were using 24%

may need to be adjusted

[dry kindle]

Corrosion and elec are 24

Breach just special 🗿

[frigid vector]

it does list kd/lift and the like as 10 points, and the formula does seem to legit just be 50% of arts intensity

[frigid vector]

if this is referring to the bonus for stagger it wouldn't be right

unless 10 is the baseline here

[dry kindle]

Bonus isnt mentioned

[frozen tide]

10 would be the baseline no?

[frigid vector]

even then, at 188 intensity that'd be what, 28.8

[dry kindle]

Forgot knock even has the bonus

[high finch]

So still why does the guy in that video used arts intensity build on lifeng? Like is getting extra lifts dmg+a bit of stagger worth to trade other dmg mods like phys dmg bonus on lifeng? I just don’t get it. In the pinned doc it’s swordmancer recommended but in this video it’s arts intensity

[frigid vector]

but we know it's an 88% increase, so I guess if you subtract 10 from there it'd match

[frigid vector]

wait I'm stupid

I was doing 100

just blind

it's correct yes

[frozen tide]

it is correct?

[frigid vector]

so yeah for the stagger damage bonus that would be right

[frozen tide]

oh

its percentage

[frigid vector]

because that's outputting your final value

[frozen tide]

yeah

[frigid vector]

17.05 is your 10 stagger + 70% bonus you have

[high finch]

I wish I just had a simcraft like in wow so I can just sim different builds and find a perfect one

[frigid vector]

so the arts intensity scaling itself is just 50%, but that's the formula that you can use to output the final stagger value you get from it

[high finch]

So no answer for this question?

[gritty olive]

do you want to test mine

but you need to manually fit in conditionals

[frigid vector]

which video

[dry kindle]

Inb4 prydwen ref

[frigid vector]

if it's a speedrun keep in mind intensity may be used for stagger alone so that breakpoints can be hit

[frozen tide]

optimal sets for speedruns do not 100 percent align with the guide as speedruns for each boss is very specific thresholds and timelines while the guide is for general use

[high finch]

This one

[frigid vector]

but yeah since lifeng is not doing crush or breach I don't really see intensity doing all that much(?)

[high finch]

Nah lol. Fuck that

[proud vector]

Does vuln burst exist? No right

[frigid vector]

unless the dmg increase to the vuln procs ends up being better than dmg mods for lifeng but

not one for me to answer

[high finch]

I guess I can but tomorrow I already turned of my pc and lying in my bed with my phone

[tranquil burrow]

So how's this weapon looking

[proud vector]

base attack is pretty important

[fringe dirge]

It does sort of.
Lift and Knockdown cause an extra instance of damage and stagger that's affected by arts intensity. This is basically the physical version of arts burst, but it doesn't trigger anything that requires an arts burst condition

[tranquil burrow]

🧱

[high finch]

If this wpn had 6* base attack it would be an insane stat stick

[gritty olive]

its pretty editable even in mobile

but you are only able to change the rotations easily there

[high finch]

Yeah but I’m too lazy to do it from mobile,not comfy you know. However I’d really like to test that out tomorrow

[fringe dirge]

If you're using an off piece Xiranite battery for Da Pan, what 3 pc is better?
Yinglung or Aethertech?

[icy ginkgo]

there we go

[high finch]

maybe arts intensity is better if your haven’t fully upgraded your gear

[fringe dirge]

Arts reaction damage scales with level, atk, dmg boost, and susceptibility, and arts intensity

[tranquil burrow]

No but what is that name

[weak meteor]

raiding in mmo type buffs

[frozen tide]

sheesh

what total is that

[floral cosmos]

is there gonna be livestream for next version? does gryphline do that?

[vagrant sparrow]

is there a reason to press wulfgard skill instead of just spamming akekuri

like i feel like it does the same and i much rather have akekuri ults

[high finch]

To charge his ult maybe but overall no

[vagrant sparrow]

okey ty

[high finch]

You just press akekuri to charge her ult. but sometimes she can miss and wolfguard rarely misses cause he is ranged unit

[weak meteor]

should do but there wont be a stream before gilb and yvonne banner

since the launch stream techincally counts as this version wit those banners

[steep kernel]

Anyone know the numbers for how much arts intensity affects electrification amp or where to find good info on that?

[fringe dirge]

Using an operator's battle skill gives everyone 6.5 ult energy, doesn't matter who uses it

[vagrant sparrow]

really

[fringe dirge]

it's the combo skill that gives 10 ult energy to the user

[vagrant sparrow]

cool

for pots do yall like jincao or the syringes

im making my factory

🤔

[fringe dirge]

I use thorny yahzen powder

[vagrant sparrow]

ooooo

[fringe dirge]

no point using the higher tiers of it, it costs 5 times as much to give a slight healing boost

idk why people like fluffed Jincao powder so much

[high finch]

Wait really?

Man i feel like I know nothing about this game

Is it fixed 6.5?

[gritty olive]

base 6.5, prior to getting affected by energy gain

[fringe dirge]

6.5 multiplied by your ult generation effiency

I put my rotation into a spreadsheet so I could figure out how much ult gen I need

[trim thicket]

Is full ult eff laev best gor just general play? 1 combo, 1 skill, per ult seems really convinient

[fringe dirge]

Turns out with a max ult gen build Alesh, he can ult literally every rotation

but I needed max artificed gear to achieve this

[trim thicket]

Whats max?

Max ult eff is?

[fringe dirge]

absolute max is
16% (Body) + 32% (kit) + 32% (kit) + 26.7% (gloves) + 37.14% (Fortmaker)

+143.84%

[trim thicket]

Is the 32 the green thing

Green kit

[fringe dirge]

oooh, no

[kindred sorrel]

redeemer has higher when fully artificed

[fringe dirge]

I guess you could go higher with seal

[frozen tide]

gilb grouping is pretty nice

[fringe dirge]

but it's overkill for me

Actually you don't need max artificing.
I just only have a +3 ult effiency weapon on a level 80 weapon

so I have 5/9 and this achieves 126.7% which is what the actual threshold is

with better essences you don't need artificing

[trim thicket]

How do u check statss when max artifice

[fringe dirge]

https://endfield.wiki.gg/wiki/Category:Gear

[trim thicket]

hmmm

for laev

i get 106.5 from 1 skill

35 from combo

and i can do 2 battle skill which is 13 energy

soo 106.5 + 35 + 13 = 154.5

[fringe dirge]

yeah some characters have extra sources of energy which will also be multiplied by ult gen

[trim thicket]

soo if am math9ing right i need 95% ult eff?

[fringe dirge]

yep

[blissful rose]

should i pull for gibrelta? im currently using electric team

[trim thicket]

thoughts on best combo to achieve this?

for laev?

[fringe dirge]

unfortunately you're in the same situation as Pan. If you actually wanted to build that much ult gen, you'd be giving up any set bonus

[trim thicket]

i think am fine with that

[fringe dirge]

On Alesh I don't care if I'm tanking his damage if it means I'm ulting every rotation

[trim thicket]

on surtr i think its fine too

i mean its a trade off right

i think its better for everyday play anyways cuz i can just auto em to death nice and quick

[fringe dirge]

unfortunately you need 4 pieces of ult gen gear

[trim thicket]

😭

hmm

i think if i change it to 3 battle skill

i can run a lynx slab

[fringe dirge]

that's a surprisingly low amount of battle skills in your rotation

the difference between ulting every rotation and ulting every other rotation is huge

[whole crystal]

I asked in the other channels but no one can tell me how to open this. Has anyone opened it?

and dont say bomb

[fringe dirge]

With Da Pan I can achieve ulting every other rotation with just 1 piece of ult regen gear, cause he's getting 2 combo skills and 7 battle skills to charge it

And when he doesn't ult, I'm using Estella ult instead. Her ult does 1 lift to Pan's Lift and Knockdown, so I supplement with a Pan battle skill to hit 4 vuln stacks

[drifting quest]

throwing a bomb at the generator should open it

idk what to say

[quartz flame]

bomb

[tranquil burrow]

It’s literally bomb

[whole crystal]

it is not

[quartz flame]

it is

[whole crystal]

not

[tranquil burrow]

Use the bomb on that orange thingy

[fringe dirge]

how else would you do it. I threw a bomb at it

[whole crystal]

thats my question

so you opened this exact one?

[dusk bear]

get closer

[whole crystal]

gng

dont you see the cable change color

[drifting quest]

show map

[dusk bear]

wtf...

[drifting quest]

i will boot up the game just for you

[whole crystal]

ts harder than trimmed rhodagn

[midnight stirrup]

Try turning it off, then relogging. Game might be glitched.

[whole crystal]

[drifting quest]

try relog as well

fwiw

[whole crystal]

did 2times

[drifting quest]

im like 95% sure it was bomb

[lavish jay]

it is that one.. u just throw bomb there and should open, ur game might be bugged or something

[whole crystal]

restarted and relogged

[midnight stirrup]

Have you tried changing maps

Going to Wuling, coming back

[whole crystal]

no

[lavish jay]

mine is already opened there and im 100% sure u take that bomb and throw it there

[midnight stirrup]

Try that

[drifting quest]

i was gonna say hard relog by tp to wuling > close out game fully > reopen > tp back

[whole crystal]

lets see

[wintry hazel]

5mins till gil?

[drifting quest]

for asia maybe

[tight haven]

liedrogen bomb

[lavish jay]

1 hour more

[midnight stirrup]

11 more hours for EU

I guess NA too

[whole crystal]

why is the difference so big

[midnight stirrup]

Its like this everywhere

Idk why

[wintry hazel]

o

[fringe dirge]

what is better, 113 main stat with 200 substat, or 195 mainstat with 75 substat

[drifting quest]

yeah its literally just bombs

idk what to say

[whole crystal]

I have a theory but I wanna check relogging first

with changing region

[drifting quest]

the whole puzzle is bombs

[midnight stirrup]

Boom boom boom

I want you in my room

[whole crystal]

yes but I have a theory why it dosnt work for me

[whole crystal]

[drifting quest]

you could try find someone with a zipline in i guess

[midnight stirrup]

Bro doesnt know the reference

Oldge

[whole crystal]

what the song?

[midnight stirrup]

Ya

[whole crystal]

ofc I know it

okay moment of truth

[midnight stirrup]

Ok I feel less oldge

[whole crystal]

STILL DOSNT WORK

[midnight stirrup]

monka

[drifting quest]

try equip bombs

not the barrel

i guess

or guns user

[midnight stirrup]

I mean tbf

[whole crystal]

okay so my theory is that I did deactivate these 3 before I tried unlocking this gate and cant reactivate them and maybe this wasnt intended to do

[midnight stirrup]

Its not like the bombs arent working

[drifting quest]

hell try walking through it after using a bomb in case its just visual desync

[midnight stirrup]

The contrapion just isnt opening

[whole crystal]

did

[whole crystal]

I did everything ive been at this for like 25mins

[midnight stirrup]

Wait a damn minute

Arent u supposed to open that from the inside

[fringe dirge]

Is the atk bonus from attributes linear or logarithmic?

[drifting quest]

time to find someone with a zipline in then

[midnight stirrup]

I got inside that area from outside on a path

[whole crystal]

how I do this 😭

[drifting quest]

get someone to make a zipline in > add them > hope you rng it

[midnight stirrup]

Loser

Find a different entrance from outside

There should be one

See if opening from inside works

[drifting quest]

the other entrance is a switch

from the inside

[midnight stirrup]

No

[drifting quest]

technically you might be able to make a zipline on your side there

[midnight stirrup]

You open it by connecting power to an electric terminal

[drifting quest]

and enter it

you're thinking of one they unlocked before

gate 1 = power
gate 2 = bugged one, bombs
gate 3 = exit, switch

[whole crystal]

there isnt one. you have to open from inside

[midnight stirrup]

I would login but im laying in bed

Yall got it

[drifting quest]

i think you can cheese it with a zipline

the walls are thin enough

[whole crystal]

wdym get someone to make a zipline

[midnight stirrup]

Bro

[drifting quest]

as in get any one person to simply place a zipline inside

[midnight stirrup]

Have someone in their world make a zip there

add you

use zip

[whole crystal]

have patience with me im a bit slow okay

[whole crystal]

OHH

[midnight stirrup]

https://giphy.com/gifs/islam-muslim-astaghfirullah-nq9accZpUoF8EfIhGJ

[whole crystal]

thats how all the random ziplines spawn

[midnight stirrup]

ig

[whole crystal]

thought they were from the devs

[midnight stirrup]

im just parroting what shuo says

[whole crystal]

@drifting quest you wanna be my zipline mate

[drifting quest]

i got back off

[whole crystal]

[midnight stirrup]

the worst she can say is no

[whole crystal]

just say you hate me

its okay

[drifting quest]

its 3am

[drifting quest]

what can i say

[midnight stirrup]

Hi vlin

[floral cosmos]

hello

[whole crystal]

erm yes

[whole crystal]

are you ingame per chance and wanna help a fella out?

[floral cosmos]

i can be

what u nid help with

[whole crystal]

I need you to place a zipline for me

[floral cosmos]

😭

[whole crystal]

is that a yes?

[floral cosmos]

in my world?

[whole crystal]

yes

and then add me

or first add me idk

[floral cosmos]

is it better to add before or after

to get the construct

[whole crystal]

[floral cosmos]

also show me where

i thought it was random

[whole crystal]

.

[whole crystal]

.

[floral cosmos]

i see

uid?

[whole crystal]

6036104709

[midnight stirrup]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WeP_en5OoY

Yea ur shit just cooked

Gate acting like he Gandalf the Grey

https://giphy.com/gifs/the-lord-of-rings-our-S6sZaHdqsGYFO

[whole crystal]

[floral cosmos]

added u and placed

[whole crystal]

imma relog

[floral cosmos]

i feel like the structures are random tho

[wise gate]

either or, you can share whenever

[floral cosmos]

but gl

[wise gate]

you can open the menu and share it with your friends

[floral cosmos]

how do i share it

ah

[wise gate]

the one with stashing etc iirc

[whole crystal]

lol

[wise gate]

i gtg going to fight boss again

cya two

[floral cosmos]

did u accept me

[whole crystal]

sir yes sir

[floral cosmos]

sent

[whole crystal]

what

where

how

[floral cosmos]

messages ig

[whole crystal]

im too dumb for this

what I gotta do

[floral cosmos]

no clue 💔

[whole crystal]

oh I got itt

[floral cosmos]

yay

[whole crystal]

THANK YOU

[floral cosmos]

ofc

[gritty olive]

@tight haven for the combo, try to shave another n5 if you can

thanks for the trouble

[wise gate]

peak community work

[tight haven]

wait so whats the full rot

ill be a sec bc im outside rn

but remind me

[gritty olive]

2 akekuru skill -> surtr n5 skill 5n5

and do whatever combos are present

try to do 4n5 then 3n5. ill try to check your sp and wulf combo timer for completeness

[tight haven]

gotcha

will record when i can

[full crown]

I'm struggling to decide how much should I really care about a sub-dps that I never onfield's basic attack leveling. Should I still take it to a minimum of rank 6 or 9 or something? Or does it literally not matter at all?

[plucky warren]

They still get full auto damage but they don't auto all the time

And it's tbh minimal gain

Most damage come from skill and main final strike

[full crown]

I guess I'll just look at the individual chars and what the pie shows in terms of how much dmg is from their basics

[plucky warren]

Most combos don't do much damage either

[full crown]

Yeah, I've noticed that even if their scaling seems to be close to a skills, they often seem to do much less dmg for some reason.

[icy ginkgo]

120 SKILL B OOKS

[green ibex]

im boutta kms bradar

oml

[dry kindle]

We fucking won

Gilberta in the 10x dossier

[dire nymph]

is pog p2 good 😃

fuck this dossier

[green ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-tweaking-tweak-out-tweak-gif-9626953229313588671

[dire nymph]

cheers bro more damage

[green ibex]

i couldnt get her

im gonna distortttt

[weak meteor]

gonna use that spork on yourself again

[dry kindle]

Guess I go fuck myself

[heavy fossil]

1 pull trust

[nova lance]

Shud I try to pull gilberta or nah?

[heavy fossil]

how does p5 valiant compare to lifeng sig at p0?

[frozen tide]

why does endmin and gilb act like they know each other from way back at the start of messenger quest

didnt endmin lose his memory and never met gilb since

[warm galleon]

I have bad memory so I always pretend I know the other person that called my name and started chatting with me

[wild meteor]

What wep are you looking at?

Or looking for

[wild meteor]

I'm curious too

[nova lance]

I don't have enuf pulls to guarantee her

[nova lance]

Isn't she one of the BiS in laev teams?

Like a better ardelia or smth

[frozen tide]

irl lore accurate game lore

[bronze plume]

well no

[frozen tide]

i almost wanna pull for gilb after the story quest

best character quest so far by far imo

tho shed be useless with rite

[frozen tide]

yesnt

[bronze plume]

i mean

[frozen tide]

not really

[bronze plume]

theres only 4 character quests

[nova lance]

Uhh

Why?

[frozen tide]

she has bad uptime

for certain speedkills she can be used to amp your dmg a shitload for a short timeframe

but for general use ard should be better

[nova lance]

Ic

[bronze plume]

shes used for speedrunning is the tldr

in specifically laev teams

[frozen tide]

her grouping is nice but laev doesnt rly need it

[bronze plume]

since speedrunning is useless for the 99%

[frozen tide]

laev has ult every other sec and its massive group dmg

[bronze plume]

shes not needed for laev

[nova lance]

Gud thing my addiction didn't overwhelm me

[frozen tide]

only comps gilb is bis for general use should be ele and yvonne

[nova lance]

There's no point in building multiple teams for the time being right?

[bronze plume]

correct

[reef token]

wait u pull???

@tight haven omagad gil banner here

[bronze plume]

welp got white frost nova

wonder how im meant to get 40 pulls for weapon banner without actually pulling

(you dont)

[reef token]

so the banner with the rate up

is it worth

[earnest patio]

Does smelting forge gets carried over banner to banner basically the weapon pity?

[reef token]

i kinda want to get therm cutter there

[bronze plume]

if you want gilberta yes

[reef token]

eh on ele team tho

but got therm cutter there

[bronze plume]

it stays for as long as laev is on the limited banner

aka until yvonne banner is gone

[dry kindle]

No

Pity go bye bye

[earnest patio]

Ic just limited to specific banner right?

Not on other

[earnest patio]

Ic

[reef token]

i wonder if i should

[bronze plume]

yes its on its specific banner

[reef token]

@sho

wheres he at

[bronze plume]

gilberta is used in yvonne or electric

[reef token]

was he na

ehh

[bronze plume]

if you use/want those get her

[nova lance]

Wuts the standard rotation for laev?

[bronze plume]

other then that shes used for speed running

[nova lance]

I'm seeing many variations

Some uses ardelia ebs some just use akekuri skill twice

[earnest patio]

5 pulls for that forge should I do i need that wolfguard weapon

[undone condor]

what's the reasoning behind ginseng stew over jakub's legacy?

[bronze plume]

you dont need clannibal for wulfgard

its up to you if you pull or not

[fringe dirge]

Holy shit I just discovered that combo skill cooldowns count down during ultimate animations, but things like debuff timers on enemies are frozen.

One way I've abused this is Alesh's combo skill cooldown is 9 seconds long, and the debuff on Estella's combo skill lasts 9 seconds. By using an ultimate to freeze time, I'm able to get Alesh's combo cooldown down enough for him to combo skill AGAIN during her debuff time

[earnest patio]

I have more than 100k pulls mats on weapon so idk either

[reef token]

yo

[earnest patio]

[bronze plume]

K

[reef token]

is the gil banner rate up considered good weapon on her rate up?

[earnest patio]

Save or use em

[reef token]

bcs therm inside

[earnest patio]

Cause i saw they are easy to get

[reef token]

and uhh other

[bronze plume]

yippie

[reef token]

not rlly any value tho

besides therm cutter

[earnest patio]

Pls do answer ty

[peak void]

anyone know what the ult charge values are at full artifice?

[earnest patio]

209

[bronze plume]

that depends on the set you are using for the ult charge

[earnest patio]

On lae

Oh nvm

[reef token]

@bronze plume

[peak void]

bro

[earnest patio]

It's different stuff

[peak void]

im asking per pc btw, not overall

[bronze plume]

i dont know if i knew i woulda awnsered already

[reef token]

where other at

its only u here

💔

sho where

enion

[nova lance]

Is there a use for purple essence?

[dry kindle]

Nope

[peak void]

nvm its just base value * 1.3 for all full artifice

[reef token]

sworce

[bronze plume]

just go to artifice them then add whatever they give 3 times

[reef token]

yooo sworce

[undone condor]

100 stock bills

[tight haven]

oh my god bruh

[reef token]

what happen

[nova lance]

Also for wulf, opus or obj?

[tight haven]

people kept telling me it was at daily reset

[reef token]

u na right

[bronze plume]

those people dont know how time works

[tight haven]

OH MY GOD

[reef token]

asia its here not na

[tight haven]

grabs you by the collar

[reef token]

na in 3am timezone iirc

[earnest patio]

@bronze plume pls do answer lol is that weapon currency that hard to get

[tight haven]

why i oughta

[reef token]

😭

heyy

[reef token]

so the banner weapon rateup has

[bronze plume]

i mean as of right now you can only get them via pulling on character banner

[reef token]

examplar oblivion wedge therm cutter

[bronze plume]

if you want the rate up weapons

use em not that hard

[nova lance]

Any1?

[reef token]

and nova

[nova lance]

Credit store and weekly also give scraps

[bronze plume]

gang we knew this already

[reef token]

does that mean the weapon rate is bad bcs only therm useful inside ? and examplar if for panda

[reef token]

wait what

[bronze plume]

yeah cuz im going to account for like 140 a week from that (im not)

[earnest patio]

Umm tbh I am at 60 pity on gilbereta banner i want her tokens so i thought pulling in that weapon will also give me tokens to buy pulls for her banner

[reef token]

enion is on na

so like

[bronze plume]

its the exact same as cbt2

[reef token]

im informing

oh

okay

💔

my bad

[bronze plume]

then pull?

if you want her token then pull

its not like getting her weapon is a bad thing

[reef token]

baa

[tight haven]

god its so good

[bronze plume]

my ass got white night in 40

hahaha

[reef token]

wasnt it a skip though

[cinder prairie]

anyone have a working monte carlo sim for the gacha system yet including all the "gimmicks mechanics" like urgent and the thing at 60 pulls? do we know mean and median pull to the first banner char and then mean and median for the subsequent ones?

[rotund yoke]

Chat what gear do i use for Gilb on this team? Should i just use Ult Gain gears for the p2 buff?

[hybrid ore]

anyone know if there is any reason to keep another int/atk/twilight essence if I already have one? I got dropped two in a run

[dry kindle]

Stanza and laev in same comp I guess

[bronze plume]

besides saving it for maybe potention weapons that could have it

nothing

[hybrid ore]

Oh ok

[tight haven]

bricked

surely that wont be me

[bronze plume]

fr

[reef token]

50 in

ermm

its looking rough @tight haven

[bronze plume]

if i cant get another 40 pulls for weapon banner in 3 character banners

[reef token]

💔

[bronze plume]

the game is bricked

[tight haven]

SAVE US UMBRAL

[reef token]

sinclair

its time for the truth

[bronze plume]

imagine if umbral doesnt have weapon pulls

(it wont probably)

[reef token]

i won 5050

[cinder prairie]

guessing none yet then?

[proud vector]

Uhh…

Can you even use Gilberta in that team? She needs arts reactions to activate her combo skill right ?

LR Xaihi kinda just bursts and doesn’t even like doing reactions

[bronze plume]

does ardelia force proc it since she technically does a arts reaction with her combo skill?

actually imma check

[proud vector]

I mean in theory you can play P4 LR cyroless (steal LR’s consumption of cyro stacks during her combo skill windup) and she will still have enough energy with some ult gain to ult every 2 rotations

[bronze plume]

i mean its a bad team regardless

[proud vector]

But that’s kinda cursed

[bronze plume]

yeah ardelia triggers it

[proud vector]

Oh cool!

That works out then

Though the nature inflictions may be a little icky still

[bronze plume]

the teams still cursed tho

yippie

[tight haven]

slow ass

[reef token]

sinclairr

what does she use

xiranite full?

[tight haven]

sig

yes

[bronze plume]

who tf is sinclair in this situation

[reef token]

wait what

[tight haven]

me

[reef token]

didnt u recommend me not to pull sig

[tight haven]

thought u meant weapon

[bronze plume]

jump

[tight haven]

pull her fucking sig.

[reef token]

what..

[tight haven]

just jumped

[reef token]

u told me stanza

[tight haven]

pull. her fucking. sig.

[reef token]

💔

[bronze plume]

good job

[undone condor]

Does anyone know how atk % buffs stack in this game? Is it additive or is there some sort of order?

[reef token]

u changed ur mind jn so fast what

[fringe dirge]

So the next critical breakpoints for Alesh's skills are M1 for battle skill, M3 for combo skill, and M1 for ult.
Getting these make each skill generate 5 more sp

[tight haven]

whatever man. im gonna go give advice to someone who'll actually listen

🚬

[reef token]

ok brother : (

im sorry

its just that

im confused bcs 3hours ago

u said stanza

[bronze plume]

dont be sorry you got rid of enion thats a good thing

[reef token]

and now sig

[reef token]

hell no

[lime bear]

interesting so the 50/50 x/80 didn't reset but if you want the guarantee 120 you need to do whole 120 again

[reef token]

he a cute senpai

[bronze plume]

that is how the gacha in this game works yes

[reef token]

sig act works for ele team though?

[tight haven]

yes

[bronze plume]

sig only works for elemental teams

if youre using her in physical

why tf are you using her in physical

[tight haven]

i think they mean elec

not elem

[lime bear]

anyway I already have 56K oro + 9 charted + 8 charted that I haven't converted yet. already 140 pulls 🤑

[reef token]

elec

[bronze plume]

aint no way we are shortening elec to ele when it can also mean elemental

[bronze plume]

good for you

[lime bear]

tbh even if you did build pity and lose you don't lose that much

[reef token]

LOL