theorycrafting

[quasi quarry]

woahh what

[twilit quail]

also slab build is fully in the dirt now

[tight haven]

has anyone else looked into that mi security laev thing

[twilit quail]

now that wulfgard is fully optimised

[tight haven]

i am not spending artifices on it but even mathing it out i cant see how crit rate/atk% from mi sec is better than even hot work

[twilit quail]

crit lae looks good on paper if you draw out the timeline to be like infinitely long

[tranquil burrow]

[frigid vector]

is the rotation x4 bskill in ult

cause with 0 ult start

[tight haven]

yeah it needs a LOT of time to equalize nicely

[twilit quail]

that's about it

[frigid vector]

you're still limited to x3 combo skill

there's no speed gain from tide

[kindred sorrel]

under what conditions 👀

[drifting quest]

if you always crit never have downtime then good set i guess

[frigid vector]

it'd come down to pyrometer only

[tranquil burrow]

wait, what's an optimized wulfgard running?

[drifting quest]

sealsge

[twilit quail]

so with 231% charge

[ripe parrot]

good thing the game incentivizes you to take as long as you want for bosses

[frigid vector]

p5 ult combo skill reset bot

[twilit quail]

wulf can get ult in 2 bs 2 combo

[tranquil burrow]

ah well

[twilit quail]

and if you reset combo with the ult

[frigid vector]

his own bskill or lae bskill

[twilit quail]

he will gain energy from both combos

[tight haven]

the point is that theres no boss that will survive long enough for mi sec to overtake

[tranquil burrow]

i do have his p5 (and 0 avys)

[twilit quail]

after his ult

[frigid vector]

cause his 2nd bskill is timed around lae's 1st

[ripe parrot]

yes i'm agreeing with you here

[tight haven]

you really need to draw out a fight for mi sec's gains to start kinda peeking out

[frigid vector]

do you have a 0 ult start example

with that build to showcase

[twilit quail]

from 0 ult charge on all members I am told you can get 4 or 5

[tight haven]

yeah just making it clear for the peanut gallery

[twilit quail]

but the guy has not provided me with a video yet

[tight haven]

i've seen 3(?) people on mi sec laev and it is like

[twilit quail]

with ake wulf antal

[tight haven]

just not a good set

[twilit quail]

given one stagger node

[frigid vector]

oh

ake

I mean ake is always better with tide anyways

because you aren't SP capped by ardelia

[twilit quail]

ard is not really considered for the char's optimisation currently

it isnt worth it

[frigid vector]

she's the best single target dmg buffer for lae no?

[twilit quail]

worse than ake overall

[frigid vector]

the only reason you wouldn't use her is cause shit dies too quick

how so

[twilit quail]

considering the 6 bskill in ult timeline

that she enables

[frigid vector]

ake's buffs should be straight up worse even with thermite

[twilit quail]

and thermite cutter

[frigid vector]

well

[twilit quail]

the buffs are worse yes

[frigid vector]

if you're saving her ult for stun

[twilit quail]

but not by enough

[frigid vector]

then the rotation is just as slow

[twilit quail]

well no

[frigid vector]

well actually I guess not since

[twilit quail]

you can get it every cycle

[frigid vector]

ye fairs

[twilit quail]

when fully optimised she isnt considered

[frigid vector]

I'd like

[twilit quail]

but the common player should still use her

I think

[frigid vector]

to see a video of 0 ult start ake though on this

[twilit quail]

it's easy and decently effective

[midnight stirrup]

I want P4 LR

[twilit quail]

from 0 energy with ake

you can do 7 bskill on second ult

[amber vapor]

"Hanabi time" is a huge mental buff if anything

[tight haven]

these considerations dont seem practical enough to start advising people boot ake for ard or whatever anyway

[frigid vector]

her ult is ridiculously expensive

like ard is barely getting it as it is

[twilit quail]

I mean yeah the average player should use ardelia

[frigid vector]

by stagger

with 90 energy cost

on a x3 combo rotation

[tight haven]

maybe the game will start introducing stages tanky enough where rotational efficiency starts mattering

[frigid vector]

so how is ake getting ultimate in less time

[drifting quest]

isnt wulf ake antal just the go to over ard now

[tight haven]

but for now its a snore

[frigid vector]

I guess maybe fully artificed ER pieces but

[drifting quest]

just kinda does everything better than ard for most people

[frigid vector]

that means you won't have frontiers on her

so her buff value drops even further

[drifting quest]

frontiers sucks anyway

[twilit quail]

that's what I thought cause I pushed wulf antal ake on my friends and they got very good results

[drifting quest]

mid uptime, no meaningful benefit from int

versus more link more atk buff more sp

[frigid vector]

she gets constant uptime of it

[tight haven]

i still like suggesting people build arde if they want as frictionless of a gameplay experience as possible while progging with larv

[frigid vector]

since you get it on stagger node + standard stagger

[twilit quail]

but then I expanded my efforts and some people were genuinely

[tranquil burrow]

We got strong agendas of all sorts in here

[twilit quail]

too stupid for it

[frigid vector]

it's up for all of a stagger burst

and lae doesn't benefit from link

at all

like 0

[drifting quest]

what

link works on her enhanced skills

[tight haven]

like if theyre doing story still they should probably build arde to at least lv60 with lv6 skills or whatever

[frigid vector]

well

[drifting quest]

both in an out of ult

[frigid vector]

true actually

[ripe parrot]

this is pretty much why i dropped ard for ake again when i was going for trim

[frigid vector]

it works for 1 bskill but not her ult basics

[drifting quest]

its insanely good for laev lol

[tight haven]

her heals just allow for comfier play when youre still progressing

[amber vapor]

Ard seems like a better comfort pick for less skilled players who are bad at actually maintaining pace on rotations because they mistime their dodges or combos and whatnot

[tight haven]

yep

[frigid vector]

ake link

[tight haven]

we cant assume the reasonable average here is good at dodging

[frigid vector]

was only 1 trigger on ult right?

not 3

[drifting quest]

just one

[tight haven]

but if they want to put the time in to play optimally and learn fights then antal should be who they raise

[amber vapor]

Amp over sustain always if you want to be the most efficient for sure

[midnight stirrup]

Btw, I realised yesterday the 4-stars all have the same outfit and signature for their weapon class respectively.

Arent their signatures just their BiS.

[drifting quest]

no

[frigid vector]

thermite

[tranquil burrow]

Dodging is easy in this game. Rotations are not (I can't memorize shit ). I just go by "oh I've got Laev ult ready best to let Ardelia consume corrosion now and use Antal ult" kinda stuff and that was still enough for trimming without food buffs.

[tight haven]

thermite beats obj

handily

[drifting quest]

estella doesnt want obj either

[tight haven]

not a contest

[drifting quest]

catcher idk

[tight haven]

i used finishing call on catcher in cbt

ff/sunder should be better

[drifting quest]

antal doesnt run obj

so its like just fluorite

[amber vapor]

In lieu of a lack of a proper sandbox/training stage you can just run re-crisis or any other stage and just not use stamina to practice your rotations.

[frigid vector]

what does antal run

[amber vapor]

That's what minmaxers do anyway

[frigid vector]

det unit?

[ripe parrot]

rhodagn my beloved

[drifting quest]

det, stanza

[tight haven]

det and stanza yep

[quasi quarry]

what's the damage increase on link? idt it says ingame

[terse furnace]

Love my punching bag

[drifting quest]

1.3x for skills
1.2x for ult

[quasi quarry]

oh ok

[tight haven]

^ and its a unique mult

[frigid vector]

can be more if you stack it

[drifting quest]

yeah but lik3

[midnight stirrup]

Okay yea fair enough

[quasi quarry]

oh not additive with the rest?

[drifting quest]

akekuri lifeng

[tight haven]

nope

[quasi quarry]

ic

[frigid vector]

hm

do special multipliers dilute each other or are they fully separate

[tranquil burrow]

Should be disparate

[tight haven]

unsure if theyre disparate from testing

[frigid vector]

so for example

[twilit quail]

one thing I cant wait to see is where gilb is in a year, speculating on that unit is like the most fun thing you can do

[tranquil burrow]

Wouldn't make sense otherwise. Like link vs some other named buff.

[tight haven]

unsure because i forgor

[drifting quest]

isnt link the only one we know for now

[twilit quail]

link is in its own bracket

[amber vapor]

Yeah if she becomes the venti of group endgame content or not will be interesting to see

[drifting quest]

unless im forgetting something

[tranquil burrow]

gachas and unique named keywords is like gacha and predatory, two peas in a pod

[tight haven]

p3 gilb stocks will only rise

trust

[frigid vector]

actually ye it should be

[amber vapor]

I'm ngl with how many aoes are in this game a "suck" kinda feels unoptimal at times especially because it can straight up just whiff and burn sp/combo cd

[drifting quest]

i cant think of any that arent link

[frigid vector]

anything else I see is just increased dmg multis to the skill itself

[twilit quail]

mi fu will do all her dmg in one big punch and gilb will go to the moon

[frigid vector]

holy based prediction

[midnight stirrup]

Mi fu better not be the dps intended for Gilb

[frigid vector]

honestly if I were to place my bets

[drifting quest]

its prob mifu w/ fangyi support

[tranquil burrow]

I want a Simon (e33) like character in this game so bad. It would be beyond kino with the combo system this game has.

[drifting quest]

direct shills

[frigid vector]

I'd say she'll work with fangyi in some way

so ye

[amber vapor]

If they make her a defense unit that does more DMG at lower HP (rage mechanic) that would be peak

[drifting quest]

avywenna can use fangyi too but not as well as mifu

[frigid vector]

fangyi is the fancy unit so she might be a sort of support/subdps angle

[tranquil burrow]

alternatively, you can trigger her rage mechanic by having Tangtang in the team

[frigid vector]

for staying power

[midnight stirrup]

Yeah looks to be the case, although fangyi does look electrical

[ripe parrot]

i want 6* snowshine so i can parry

[tight haven]

gilb's kit is just a lot of fun

[drifting quest]

id expect fangyi to be a supporter who does damage too

break classes early

[tight haven]

spams vuln but only works for arts teams

[amber vapor]

I can see Fangyi being like Jihnsi

[tight haven]

its really nice problem-solving operator design

[tranquil burrow]

I would've liked Fangyi more if not for the forced date mechanic. Went a bit too far in the engineering bait direction

[tight haven]

you can use her in many different contexts and all of them feel effective

[twilit quail]

gilb is just so fucking funny man

[amber vapor]

Like the more combos triggered before an ult will cause the ult to do more DMG

[gritty olive]

Does aredelia sig not activate in a laev standard team

[tight haven]

it does

[normal tangle]

which one is more cost effective to improve? i know the third stat is harder to etch than the others but not 100% sure

[midnight stirrup]

I wanna use Gilb with LR

[amber vapor]

What op

[tight haven]

you just have to go -100 sp to use arde's ebskill

[tranquil burrow]

activate her battle skill after her combo when laev's done consuming heat inflictions

[normal tangle]

that's the endmin essence

grand vision

[midnight stirrup]

Right one

[normal tangle]

heard

[tight haven]

yeah right

[midnight stirrup]

+2 is easy to get

[amber vapor]

This is what I do

[midnight stirrup]

+4 isnt

[tight haven]

actually +4 is when the rate starts getting low

it just minimizes on how many taps you need to hit

[midnight stirrup]

That was my point yes

[amber vapor]

Gambler's fallacy

[tight haven]

just making it clear not disagreeing

[midnight stirrup]

Baka Enion

[tranquil burrow]

odds of hitting are higher than odds of needing pity so over the long term you'll have excess gel

[tight haven]

tell that to my fucking laev essence

[midnight stirrup]

If you use Gilb with LR, you wanna start with Gilb no

[tight haven]

its eaten up like 200 essences atp

[midnight stirrup]

Doing Gilb shit after 3-4 stack kinda pointless

[tight haven]

greedy ass

[daring dove]

I mean you can but she's kind of anti synergistic with LR.

[ripe parrot]

if you hit every time then it doesn't matter 🤓 ☝️

[tranquil burrow]

that's like 3 weeks of sanity

[tight haven]

yes.

yes it is.

[midnight stirrup]

Hes a fat whale

[tight haven]

💔

[tranquil burrow]

just get lucky like me

ez

[tight haven]

trying. lowkey

[midnight stirrup]

F2P is the way

[tranquil burrow]

I hit +6 and +3 on twilight back to back

[amber vapor]

Yvonne havers be like

[normal tangle]

so false worstie

[midnight stirrup]

Getting Yvonne isnt lucky

Getting Gilb is

[ripe parrot]

this etch has been the bane of my existence

[midnight stirrup]

Aka me

[normal tangle]

yvonne havers are in hell

[midnight stirrup]

Eat it

[normal tangle]

what the hell is combative for

[ripe parrot]

sundering

[twilit quail]

gilb is only mildly cursed

yvonne is like 4th circle of hell

[tight haven]

landed all the essences i actually need

feels good as fuck

[midnight stirrup]

Atleast Gilb has future potential

Yvonne is just cooked

[tight haven]

just need to work on etching them

[amber vapor]

If shatter was a guaranteed crit then Yvonne might be like 5% better ngl

[ripe parrot]

nuh uh you'll see in update 3.2 there's going to be a cryo support that fits only yvonne and not LR

[tight haven]

its bad bc i cant think of a support whi fixes yvonne but doesnt make lr ir someone else literally just better

[tranquil burrow]

if you've got a thicc tail deal +100000% dmg

[amber vapor]

Ursus region copium

[midnight stirrup]

what does yvonne do different to lr that makes it so that lr wouldnt be able to use that support

L O L

[tight haven]

why is her ult gen so dog

[tranquil burrow]

because devs have foresight of lvl 90 red xiranite set

[tight haven]

fuuck. true

[tranquil burrow]

5 pips of artificing too

[midnight stirrup]

shouldve put yvonne on standard and last rite on event banner

last rite wouldve been a good limited for 1.0

[ripe parrot]

what if yvonne just had ult resets so she didn't need any ult eff

[tight haven]

dude if they release a gear set that just fixes yvonne

[gritty olive]

does laev team even have a chance ro

[tight haven]

a what

[tranquil burrow]

staggering enemy gives +220 ult energy

[midnight stirrup]

yvonne needs a shielder lowkey

but also

if boss poofs away

rip ult

[tight haven]

a chance to?

yeah you can like

just do it

[normal tangle]

ember yvonne meta

[tight haven]

unless youre starting at 0 charge for everyone

then idk

[drifting quest]

do shielders give super armour

[tight haven]

dont do it i guess

[drifting quest]

do you not still ragdoll

[normal tangle]

fluorite ember yvonne

[tight haven]

for like one hit

[normal tangle]

gooncomp promax

[tight haven]

iirc

[midnight stirrup]

i mean ig if u have a shield

ur stagger resistant no

its like that in other games

[tight haven]

yeah you do get super armor for a small duration

[ripe parrot]

6* cryo defender with a parry

would go HARD

[tranquil burrow]

Give me Simon in this game

[drifting quest]

im so glad i can resist the first ragdoll so the second hit of the 4 seq boss attack can ragdoll me

[normal tangle]

powercreep snowshine ver 1.1 ✌️

[tranquil burrow]

as a char, not a boss, im cooked otherwise

[drifting quest]

all at the cost of most of the damage per rot

[ripe parrot]

and it would be great

[tight haven]

if a defender gave you super armor for like 10s on skill

goddamn

[drifting quest]

give yvonne a ranged tile

[tight haven]

maybe id try and make it work

[drifting quest]

deaggros

!!

[tight haven]

TRUE

[normal tangle]

we need a parry that doesn't immediately kill your entire rotation by costing a full skill

[tranquil burrow]

i mean at some point one will

[ripe parrot]

yoooooooo

[tight haven]

we need nasti endfield

[drifting quest]

nasti reconvener

lets go

[normal tangle]

at least return 75 sp on successful parry or something

[midnight stirrup]

albedo in arknights

i see the vision

[tight haven]

yesh

[drifting quest]

honestly nasti is probably still alive

[tranquil burrow]

it'll be the caesar situtation where that char looks busted for a patch or two and then people realize it's mediocre

[drifting quest]

she doesnt need to be a reconvener

[ripe parrot]

oh my god we need specialists in this game that can summon the box of doom from arknights

[tight haven]

its weird that none of them return sp on parry no

like 100 sp is a lot to consume just to tank an attack

[drifting quest]

sp seems really like

[midnight stirrup]

Im rly curious to see what their pace is gonna be in powercreep

[drifting quest]

they seem to have underestimated just how expensive endgame sp costs are

[tight haven]

yeah same

[drifting quest]

especially given the akekuri kneecap

[tranquil burrow]

Somehow I really, really, really doubt that

[ripe parrot]

when the sp powercreep happens there will be 100 sp return on perfect parry and we will become spknights endfield

[normal tangle]

"endgame sp costs" twin we don't even have one 😭 ✌️

[tranquil burrow]

I mean the underestimation part

[tight haven]

i hope they do the r1999 thing where powercreep feels like a complete accident

[normal tangle]

they're gonna release umbral monument and it's gonna be piss easy

[drifting quest]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-myrtle-gif-11316187128699095682

[tight haven]

and most unit releases are just some cool new shit they want to try out

[drifting quest]

just wait

she is coming

[midnight stirrup]

whats the best design in arknights

[tight haven]

tequila

[normal tangle]

they did say the first umbral monument is purposely easier than the following ones because new version, rigt

[tight haven]

not biased

[midnight stirrup]

i need pics bro

[normal tangle]

did i dream that up

[drifting quest]

drip? kit? what

[tranquil burrow]

Imagine they release cursed boss mode. Marble but the 4 thingies are HP giga buffed worms and trinagle is in the stage at the same time.

[midnight stirrup]

like visually

[drifting quest]

npcs included? skins included?

[ripe parrot]

oh i thought you meant mechanics-wise design

[midnight stirrup]

obv not

[tranquil burrow]

That's always the case in gacha anyways

[normal tangle]

alesh if he lost all his aura

[midnight stirrup]

mid

[quasi quarry]

there's like 300 operators bro you're not getting a straight answer 😭

[midnight stirrup]

im asking for opinions not facts

[tight haven]

they can never make me hate you tequila

the deep state wants me to hate you

[ripe parrot]

fuck, i want a firewatch in this game

[tight haven]

but i remain.

[normal tangle]

give me lee

[midnight stirrup]

i dont get the hype for surtr

she kinda ugly in endfield

[normal tangle]

surtr in endfield or in real

[midnight stirrup]

rat tail, clashing pink/red, weird ass wheel around her

[quasi quarry]

ulpianus go hard for me idk

[normal tangle]

i just thought her gameplay was fun, idk what ur on about

[tight haven]

also corroserum the goat

[midnight stirrup]

fuck u mean idk what ur talking about

[tight haven]

the goat. the goat. save snakeknights my boy

yesss support zuo le

[normal tangle]

ratio

[midnight stirrup]

thought it was a whale until I looked closer

ew

furry

[normal tangle]

ew furry when ur playing arknights

are you lost twin

[tranquil burrow]

Pallid Whale as playable char

[midnight stirrup]

dont project ur fetishes on me bro

[drifting quest]

if its just base design, no skins then id probably argue for a couple
eyja2's is good
blaze2
exu2
eternal shill for nearl2
logos / rosmontis / elite op in general
mlynar
nymph, reed2, etc who are same vibes
pram2 and sash2
siege2
tragodia

'a couple'

[midnight stirrup]

endfield chars are fully human with some ears

[tight haven]

aint nobody brought up fetishes...

[quasi quarry]

ratio

they're all peak man

[tight haven]

okay

my dark woke take

logos is lowkey ugly

[drifting quest]

logos drip is immaculate

duality of man

[normal tangle]

i like the ink pen vibe

outfit kinda meh

[tight haven]

i feel like i need other artists to gaslight me into thinking hes hot

[midnight stirrup]

Emiya the best design ive seen in AK so far

[drifting quest]

amiya most recent skin

holy

[tight haven]

his fit is so fucking good though

[normal tangle]

?

[midnight stirrup]

post

[amber vapor]

Bogos binted?

[normal tangle]

bro what game are you playing

[midnight stirrup]

Oh my days

[midnight stirrup]

Fuck are u talking about now

[quasi quarry]

10 souls sacrificed for this

[drifting quest]

amiya's base drip is pretty fire too

[midnight stirrup]

You the only one not getting it

[drifting quest]

medic amiya at least

[midnight stirrup]

She really based

[drifting quest]

the theresa x rhodes island drip

[ripe parrot]

the rhodes island jacket is fire

[drifting quest]

banger

inspiration from her past and present homes into one outfit

[amber vapor]

Amiya canonically a god among men while being simultaneously super cute and bad ass

[drifting quest]

genuinely some of the best character building via design in like any gacha game

[tight haven]

oh yeah gotta give a shoutout to this

[drifting quest]

im a hater of most summer skins

not for me

[quasi quarry]

im ngl i didnt buy this

[normal tangle]

i think u just like shirtless men

[quasi quarry]

i prefer his base

[tight haven]

its just super super pretty

[tight haven]

well duh

[drifting quest]

my favourite summer skin is castle 3's

[tight haven]

the outfit and art is really neat though

[ripe parrot]

when's lancet in a bikini

[amber vapor]

Even though they said Endfield won't have skins I 100% think they will down the road

[tight haven]

big fan of the composite realism style this artist goes for

[amber vapor]

There's just no reason why they wouldn't

[normal tangle]

who is they

[tight haven]

if they do have skins i just hope theyre meaningful and fun

[quasi quarry]

yeah who

[tight haven]

hg

[quasi quarry]

they did?

[tight haven]

they said theyre not planning on it in a dev comm(?)

[next helm]

Chad image

[normal tangle]

source?

[tight haven]

it was a while ago

[drifting quest]

its hard to do skins in 3d

[amber vapor]

This.

[drifting quest]

since you're kept by the model and silhouette

[tight haven]

they did say its just not in the works iirc

not that it isnt happening

[normal tangle]

what are we using our origeo on if not skins 😭

[drifting quest]

battle pass

[tight haven]

arsenal tickets

[amber vapor]

"Not planning on it" = let's see how release goes and decide from there

[tight haven]

duh

[normal tangle]

that's a positive elixir trade

[tight haven]

okay i am curious

[normal tangle]

what am i spending elixir on

[tight haven]

do we have sensortower numbers

for ef

[amber vapor]

Yeah

[tight haven]

how was release

[drifting quest]

release numbers will be lower

because of the paypal incident

[amber vapor]

Lemme pull up the gacha gaming subreddit post rq

It was like 20mil or somethin

[quasi quarry]

like 30mil

[tight haven]

alright

nothing much to say there

[amber vapor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/1qszl6a/gacha_revenue_monthly_report_january_2026/

[drifting quest]

between sensortower underestimate and the paypal incident 30mil seems pretty good

[amber vapor]

$29.5mil, predicted for mobile sales only

[tight haven]

tbf yeah i do know very few mobile players compared to pc players

lol

[amber vapor]

PlayStation takes a cut from PSN purchases and so does apple and Google

[tranquil burrow]

Paypal incident had negligible impact but either way but either way game's doing more than good outside of whatever internal data they have over player retention

[amber vapor]

And we don't have access to official topup website data I don't think

[midnight stirrup]

True

[tight haven]

the impact was likely unquantifiable

[midnight stirrup]

Theyre building trust with the community

That does ALOT for the game

Look at how many people flocked to wuwa bc of it

[tight haven]

as in, a number of people might have gotten scared out of making purchases

[tranquil burrow]

They did an interview, a grand total of $80k was affected

[tight haven]

no, not the real impact in that sense

[midnight stirrup]

What im wondering is

[amber vapor]

Western players love playing on PC more but there's a good mix. Eastern mobile game market is actually insane tho.

[midnight stirrup]

why tf do u have 4k balance on ur paypal

thats crazy

[tranquil burrow]

and paypal users are in the grand minority anyways, esp since it has 0 usage in CN/JP/most of the world outside of a select few western countries

[amber vapor]

Debit transfers

[tight haven]

a few of my friends thought it was legit all purchases

like this is the impact i meant to point toward

[midnight stirrup]

like could people actually log into accounts

idk wtf happened in detail

[amber vapor]

Misinfo spreads like wildfire minute 0 and then the truth comes lagging behind way past the point of initial damage

[tight haven]

people didnt understand what the issue was and might have thought that purchases wholesale were affected in some way

[frigid vector]

also on this it's both

Chen:

• 156 Frames with B4 Cancel
• 0.1025~ stagger per frame (16/156)
• 1.8141~ damage multi per frame (283/156, B4 DMG halved)

Endmin:

• 175 Frames with B4 Cancel
• 0.1029~ stagger per frame (18/175)
• 1.7657~ damage multi per frame (309/175, B4 DMG halved)

tl;dr: endmin marginally better for stagger, chen marginally better for dmg, assuming you can manage 10-12f advantage on chen cancels - realistically its so minor either work

def gotta practice for it though, timing to manage 10f+ gain is tight

[tight haven]

but yeah its unquantifiable and not fun to discuss

[frigid vector]

just API issue, you'd charge your paypal but it'd use someone else's saved info

[midnight stirrup]

hmm

honestly they shouldve done a compensation for it

[frigid vector]

they did

[midnight stirrup]

but atleast its fixed and everyone got their shit back

[tranquil burrow]

Either way, I think the biggest impact is probably from player sentiment regarding gacha. For some reason, no one can math out some basic stuff that they already give rates on. Limited char + sig is literally cheaper in Endfield than in NTE yet the latter is getting all the praise right now.

[frigid vector]

everyone that paid with paypal?

they got all their money back

and got to keep everything they spent

if you blew 10 grand with paypal you got to keep it for free

[midnight stirrup]

oh word

[drifting quest]

definitely made me wish i spent with paypal

[amber vapor]

So I'm no software engineer and my knowledge about APIs are limited but supposedly when you're using web-based payment APIs you need to wipe the cache. It seems like the cache data wasn't wiped or maybe too much traffic occurred and the servers couldn't keep up so cache wasn't wiping properly and "leaked"

[ripe parrot]

oh right, i didn't account for hitstop frames saved that makes sense

[tight haven]

i think it is just because the system just feels worse

[tranquil burrow]

Highest someone spent was $5k and total of $80k was misplaced so unfortunately not many people got to benefit from it lel

[frigid vector]

yep

[amber vapor]

Essentially imagine forgetting to turn the gas stove off

[frigid vector]

you can actually cancel just the anim and not the hitstop

[tight haven]

a player might have gotten their fave early but oh no - you don't have enough arsenal tickets to pull their sig

[frigid vector]

it's pretty hard to get the timing for both

but when you do it's like 12f+

[tranquil burrow]

That is true. For all the amortized rates I keep sharing you still have a 34% chance to hit 120 pity.

[ripe parrot]

probably not realistic to actually do because you are basically doubling the stamina usage on chen per auto combo since you also will cancel final strike

[midnight stirrup]

I see

welp

[frigid vector]

yep

you run out after 3-4 basic strings

[tight haven]

so now you have to sit there twiddling your thumbs with a nominally worse weapon which feels kinda bad

[frigid vector]

depending on aurelynes 😔

[drifting perch]

Same goes for skill

[frigid vector]

final strike is a way bigger gain always

[drifting quest]

there's enough pulls to guarantee sig in 1.0

[tranquil burrow]

It's weird because payment is one of the sectors with the tightest regulations. To the point as a developer you never actually implement payment gateways, you always redirect to them. Like 99.99% of the implementation is handled by the payment provider.

[drifting quest]

thanks to standards

[amber vapor]

"For free" at the cost of your finances being jeopardized.

[drifting quest]

but i get why in future with bad luck it might feel bad at times

[frigid vector]

not necessarily, like if you weren't affected by it and just used paypal

[ripe parrot]

temporarily*** jeopardized

[frigid vector]

you still got the refund

[tight haven]

yeah

[frigid vector]

the loss of cash also lasted like 12 hours I think? not sure the exact timeframe - still absolutely nuts that you'd wake up one day and have 5 grand missing

[tight haven]

it only affected 80k usd total though

[frigid vector]

the kind of mistake that's so grand its obvious you'll get money back without needing to appeal

[tight haven]

so its unlikely anybody got off with 10k+ worth of whale funds

[frigid vector]

but if you were idk, waiting on a property sale then gl

considering it was less than a day though

[ripe parrot]

oh no, for some reason my rent is due in literally 11 hours!!!!!! i'm screwed!!!!!

[tranquil burrow]

The system is very "generous" but it's designed in a way that a lot of players will fall short by a small amount every now and then feel tempted to top up just that bit to get what they want. Like 77 average pulls to get a character wahoo but 1 in 3 will hit 120. Literally half of all players will hit 80 pity on weapon banner.

[frigid vector]

unless you genuinely had some contractual transfer you had to make

ended up fine

although also terrifying

[amber vapor]

I think when payments are being processed through third party API they have to be encrypted/anonymous both ways (by PayPal and the game). In this case the fault lies purely with HG for the massive mistake that caused that security flaw.

[glad niche]

And used the same account on a day1 Gacha splurge

....

[tranquil burrow]

The fault is most likely with HG but what I don't understand is why they're handling any part of the payment process. The regulations are tight enough that you almost always let the payment provider (typically a bank or someone like Stripe or whatever) handle it.

[ripe parrot]

also if you're full f2p it's pretty bad because the amount of arsenal tickets you obtain over time is abysmal

[wise gate]

heres my past 3 pbs put together, I was super close this time ngl

[ripe parrot]

you got this champ

[tight haven]

yeah the arsenal issue in particular is a huge pain point

[wise gate]

level 1 catcher only triaggelos run is way more possible than me 2 hours ago thought it was LMFAO

[willow helm]

gilberta buff is too good

[amber vapor]

The request for payment is pushed through the game to the payment software I think though. So if there's "miscommunication" on the games side then yeah you get what happened

[quasi quarry]

the 200 tickets from weekly is so troll

[ripe parrot]

dude how bad is the mob phase with level 1 catcher

[quasi quarry]

😭

[tight haven]

i feel like they have to introduce a regular reward stream that just gives a bunch

[wise gate]

doing this mfs first phase takes roughly as much time as beating rhodagn at level 40 twice

[tranquil burrow]

Well, if you buy battle pass, you get just enough to get 1 limited char + sig every single patch. I mean income that matches it. This is REALLY good imo, only problem is it is basically an average over time and the way distribution works bad luck will temporarily screw you over.

[wise gate]

actually not bad just NEVER miss a parry

I've not got there with the blue greatsword yet

[ripe parrot]

that's with orig bp and not paid right?

[wise gate]

this is what I currently am using

[tranquil burrow]

Paid.

[wise gate]

I did do testing on the mob phase with a legendary greatsword

and it's relatively easy

[tranquil burrow]

The 12 weapon banner pulls in it are too important

[ripe parrot]

well then that's not f2p lol

[wise gate]

aslong as you properly abuse rangers

[tight haven]

LETS GO

[ripe parrot]

f2p players are pretty screwed if they get bad rng

[tight haven]

another catcher solo gamer

[wise gate]

if you know the ranger tech you're golden

[tranquil burrow]

I never said f2p, I said buy bp lol. But $10/mo is quite reasonable for most people compared to spending hundreds every month.

[wise gate]

somebody insert the rezero clip where he mentions dying like a glorbillion times

[tight haven]

lmfao

[frigid vector]

I'd ahve gone with the whole "unfathomably based catcher chad" but then he's still level 1, I don't think I've seen a single person put resources into this man 😭

[wise gate]

oh you misunderstand

I have put more resources into him than you ever could

[tranquil burrow]

this guy deserves a special role

[wise gate]

I have used over 2000 healing items.

[frigid vector]

[ripe parrot]

lmao

[wise gate]

NAME ONE CHAR

YOU'VE USED THAT MANY ON

I CAN WAIT BRO

[tight haven]

unfortunately my catcher is lv60 because i needed his dijiang skills

[wise gate]

oh also

[tight haven]

so my catcher solos are lowkey fraudulent

[wise gate]

I can't use good healing because I don't use the factory

[glad niche]

Avywenna ult abuse

[tight haven]

what

[tranquil burrow]

omega whale

[ripe parrot]

wat

[wise gate]

I have no factory

and I dont store anything in the depot

[ripe parrot]

dude...

[tight haven]

bru

[wise gate]

have you ever manually mined ferrium with your braincells on the line

[ripe parrot]

you are actually certified crazy

i love you

[wise gate]

does anybody know what drops blue essences

[tight haven]

man take the trophy away

[tranquil burrow]

so who's worse between that guy who unartificed gear to hit a specific stagger threshold and level 1 catcher main

[tight haven]

we need to institutionalize this man

[wise gate]

HEY I STILL BUILD

[tight haven]

we cannot reify mental illness

[wise gate]

meant to reply to this

i still build bro

look at my uhh

[tight haven]

build what.

[midnight stirrup]

Bro

Am I tripping or does Gilberta special dash slow her down compared to regular dash

[wise gate]

youll see

[ripe parrot]

i kinda want to do catcher solos now too

can i join the cult

[tight haven]

no its exactly the same

i tested dash speeds

[midnight stirrup]

it feels slower

[tight haven]

it does

lol

everyone has totally consistent dash speeds

[wise gate]

I need somewhere to store my stuff so obviously I build lots of these @tight haven

[ripe parrot]

meanwhile pog:

[tight haven]

omg

[midnight stirrup]

i thought they said pog dash was faster

[glad niche]

He's hiding his loot in Wuling

[wise gate]

they're sorted by item type using item sorter belts

[tight haven]

pog dash is not faster unfortunately

[tranquil burrow]

do you have a second main account

[wise gate]

havent unlocked wuling

[wise gate]

no

[tranquil burrow]

You are unfathomably based

[wise gate]

@glad niche i've not seen a sandleaf yet because I can't go past triaggelos

[midnight stirrup]

Youre in for unmeasurable amounts of peak

[tight haven]

omg

[wise gate]

I literally asked my friend what wuling looked like to cure my depression

I long for wuling gang

[ripe parrot]

dude... he's already reached peak

[tranquil burrow]

Wuling is mid

[wise gate]

fyi i'm a fraud btw guys

half of my protocol stashes are empty

only like 100 of them have shit

in them

[midnight stirrup]

me when blind

[ripe parrot]

are you going no factory and no depot for the love of the game

or is it because you have a worm in your brain

[wise gate]

I polled it

[midnight stirrup]

wuling is such a visually impressive area

[wise gate]

I saw a photo it looks great

[amber vapor]

Dawg Nioh 3 just released just play that @wise gate

[daring dove]

Gilberta is kinda not supposed to be run against anything ST really is she, her healing doesn't even work unless you're facing multiple enemies.

[wise gate]

only these ones have stuff in them guys i'm a fraud

[tranquil burrow]

nah man story was still hot garbage. Only highlight was tangtang and mifu rest are shieeeet.

Of course visually it's gorgeous, I just meant the story progression. 🧱

[tight haven]

yk for what it is i do find it genuinely impressive how good the game looks on mobile

[daring dove]

For AoE content she'll be strong though.

[glad niche]

I can't wait until Desert zone where entire AiC is powered by sand. We'll be like Dune simulator

Spice farmers

[ripe parrot]

also I just saw that you like mabinogi and i can see why you love suffering this much

[drifting quest]

gilb has one of the best sgt buffs going

its just you have to plan around it

a lot

[tight haven]

true

[ripe parrot]

honestly hard agree. kinda hated wuling more than v4 in terms of story

[tranquil burrow]

sgt buff?

[wise gate]

thank god bro doesnt know what my mabinogi challenge run was 🙏

[ripe parrot]

now i'm curious how bad is it

[tight haven]

korean mmo gamers experience 100x the suffering of the average etch farmer in endfield

[wise gate]

I can dm you a photo that should describe it, I had to quit when they added gear score because It wouldnt let me enter any of the dungeons

[ripe parrot]

people complaining about artifices know NOTHING

[tranquil burrow]

I would've really liked Fangyi but they want too hard in pushing her as an engineered bait lmao, especially with the handhold date where I almost alt f4'd out of cringe lmao

[daring dove]

Lineage 2, upgrade my gear's quality a few too many times an bam destroyed.

[tranquil burrow]

Wait what, isn't that the most despairing system in this game?

[midnight stirrup]

Why do I feel like you said this exact same thing like an hour ago

[tranquil burrow]

or you mean in other games

[midnight stirrup]

am I trippin

[tranquil burrow]

I did

but topic came up again

[amber vapor]

Me who's played Chinese, Japanese, Korean and American...

[ripe parrot]

other games

[wise gate]

@ripe parrot there you go

[midnight stirrup]

oh

Yea the harem Rover bs kinda cringe

[frigid vector]

tbh forced dating scene aside she was alright

[midnight stirrup]

But not enough to bother my enjoyment

[tight haven]

the only good thing to come out of mabinogi is mabinogi duel

[wise gate]

did you guys know

ardelia's va

is blaanid from mabinogi

[midnight stirrup]

no

[tranquil burrow]

I mean I love her design, I especially appreciate that they tried to be bold with her outfit

[wise gate]

her korean va

[amber vapor]

Lineage 2 Mobile 🗿

[drifting quest]

im not a fan of how like every story quest PLUS main quest has had romantic interest stuff pushed in a bit

[midnight stirrup]

Guys stop talking about leeks

[frigid vector]

peak vegetable

[glad niche]

Leek Queen ⚡

[tranquil burrow]

her design is still peak

[frigid vector]

I unironically fuck with it

[tranquil burrow]

It's just the gods above forcing her onto me that i pushed her away lel

[amber vapor]

Never had a leek irl but I've cooked with green onions plenty

[tranquil burrow]

man how do i get mifu tangtang fangyi rossi if all 4 are 6 stars

[amber vapor]

Just swipe

Succumb to the abyss

[tranquil burrow]

I'm kinda waiting on NTE to see whose combat clicks with me more before settling with one game

[amber vapor]

Or be like me who just rolls with the punches and prays I get lucky on every banner

[glad niche]

How do I uninstall TangTang from my game

[midnight stirrup]

Guys just a tip. If you do the Gilberta quest, fail delivering the package once.

Trust papi on this.

[drifting quest]

too late

[amber vapor]

In Genshin I used to only do 20 pulls per banner and I had like a 60% success rate

[tranquil burrow]

Give her to me, I need a second house cat

[drifting quest]

spoiler tag what happens thanks

[midnight stirrup]

Sweat

smh

Bro even minmaxing package deliveries

[drifting quest]

hey one of those packages was medicine for the sick

im a good endfielder

[midnight stirrup]

Thats the one I failed

medicine for the kids

[drifting quest]

you're the ones not helping them

[midnight stirrup]

man fuck them kids

im here for gilberta

[tranquil burrow]

I wanna know what happens

[glad niche]

The kids die

And Gilberta pity doubles

Good luck

[midnight stirrup]

Nah

the kids die and gilberta wont show up on your pulls no more

[amber vapor]

Gilberta twists your tubes if you fail

[glad niche]

You login 2moro and Yvonne is the limited banner

[blazing lake]

https://tenor.com/view/yeet-memes-happy-throw-gif-14721135

[amber vapor]

losing the 50/50 to yvonne on gilb banner 🗿

[drifting quest]

i lost on laev banner

[amber vapor]

Same

[tranquil burrow]

i'd like that

[drifting quest]

then put resources into both her and last rite because people kept telling me they were good together

they were not

[amber vapor]

exactly the same thing I did

[drifting quest]

but so many people said it i had to do my due dilligence to test

[glad niche]

I lost laev 50:50 to Ember. I'm seeing a psychologist.

[drifting quest]

i dont even play either

nor do i want to

[tranquil burrow]

last rite you keep for her menu animations at least

[drifting quest]

elec fire phys are the only teams i care for

[amber vapor]

They shoulda made LR ult turn her feral ngl

Pokemon ice fang kinda animation

[frigid vector]

gil and last rite?

[drifting quest]

lr and yvonne

[frigid vector]

oh

yvonne

[drifting quest]

yeppers

mid ass unit

[frigid vector]

it's ok

tangtang will actually be cryo chen

and not phys

[glad niche]

[drifting quest]

its so over if she is

i like tangtang

[amber vapor]

I got Ember and LR in the beginner banner

And then Yvonne later in the Lev banner when I waited to pull till i finished V4 before Wuling story. Then finally got Lev at max pity when I finished my pulls after Wuling story.

[tranquil burrow]

I just won my 50 50 and that was that

[drifting quest]

lr via beginner banner
yvonne, laev via laev banner
lifeng via standard
ardelia for free

pog via selector unless i lose to him on gilb banner

dodged ember, no pots

[tranquil burrow]

Lifeng via beginner, then Laev 5050 won, haven't used selector, and Ardelia for free ofc

Still considering between Ardelia p1 and Pog

[amber vapor]

Yeah im saving selector tbh

[drifting quest]

all im waiting for is gilb banner

ill send it after

[amber vapor]

Unless they keep it exclusive to those intial 5 standard 6* ops

[tranquil burrow]

they will

[drifting quest]

thats how it works

standard banner only

[tranquil burrow]

the description explicitly says it too

[drifting quest]

even if we get a future standard it wont change

[tranquil burrow]

it doesn't just say standard banner only, it says those 5 specific characters only

[drifting quest]

spend it after your next pull session

bedge

[amber vapor]

yeah the only 6* i dont have is gilb and lifeng so

[quasi quarry]

wouldn't gilberta be decent for electric

[tranquil burrow]

it lists the names you can get from selector

[glad niche]

Yep selector after my Gilb pulls

[tranquil burrow]

so yeah

[drifting quest]

why do you think im pulling her

[tranquil burrow]

Idk if I should pull Gilb

[quasi quarry]

oh u are

[tranquil burrow]

What are you betting on?

I would pull her for electric only too

[amber vapor]

Im holding for my Leek wife now

[tranquil burrow]

But Idk if she really will be that good

[drifting quest]

she'll only get better with time

as we get more units who can facilitate her

[tranquil burrow]

Or we get different kinds of units as they switch their combat philosophy from extensive player feedback

[quasi quarry]

wydm by this

like reaction teams?

[drifting quest]

arts based dps who dont mind or want nature infliction

[tranquil burrow]

Initial feedback to combat was strongly negative before most people became aware of combo stuff

[quasi quarry]

time will tell i guess

[tranquil burrow]

Idk if the average casual still knows

[amber vapor]

Yo imagine a nature arts mage that summons vines after consuming corrosion

[quasi quarry]

what's the consensus on her weapon

[drifting quest]

good but depends on team for usage

[amber vapor]

Average action gacha player loves to mash and not actually read and think for 5 ms

[glad niche]

Need an absolute banger weapon banner for Gilb. To cash in on misses

[tranquil burrow]

combat is godawful for button mashers

[drifting quest]

its pretty good

[glad niche]

We know it?

[drifting quest]

thermite chiv exemplar wedge wnn oblivion

[amber vapor]

I mean they advertised Endfield as tactical/strategy

[sterile patrol]

Thermite

[drifting quest]

wnn whiff
wedge meh
rest are decent or good

[glad niche]

Damn that's nice

[tranquil burrow]

thermite will show up in shop anyways, next rotation trust

[ripe parrot]

hi /r/gacha my team is last rite laevatain endmin and fluorite this combat kinda sucks wtf?

[sterile patrol]

Endfield TikTok teams

[tranquil burrow]

there's literally a frontpage post in the sub where people are commenting Laev is dogwater for bossing

The buff alignment stuff makes a massive difference in this game

[quasi quarry]

i see people say the combat is too simple and they just mash like if you don't put in the effort how are you supposed to see anything more profound lol

[dusty prairie]

Do you read for yourself at all?

[drifting quest]

wnn, chiv and wedge are on all 3 banners

laev banner was former finery, clannibal, valiant
gilb banner is oblivion, thermite and exemplar
yvonne banner also has ||sundered rascent jet||
idk if its datamined so spoiler tagged just in case, but its listed on talos wiki

[amber vapor]

Yo btw anyone else's game have the master volume be unchanged in settings when you check but everytime you launch the game it's a full blast?

[glad niche]

[glad niche]

Evry update yep

[amber vapor]

I hate it so much

[ripe parrot]

of course not i'm from /r/gacha

[tranquil burrow]

oh, might be their way of alternatives for each of the 3 banner chars

[drifting quest]

yeah looks like it

[ripe parrot]

in fact i don't know how to read i'm illiterate. i'm typing this out with text to speech

[drifting quest]

same should apply next patch and then any future patches

1 off rate weapon for each of the rate up units

[quasi quarry]

which one is wnn? wild wanderer?

[drifting quest]

but also gilb cant proc chiv so its ????

[ripe parrot]

the fact that people think laev is bad for bossing is wild

[drifting quest]

white night nova

[tranquil burrow]

nova

[glad niche]

They gona slap WNN in every banner as the Feelsbad pull. Clever girls

[quasi quarry]

ohh

[drifting quest]

seems to be just because of laev

1.1 we should get other weapons

[tranquil burrow]

the game recommends it as her alt if you dont have her bp or sig

[drifting quest]

chiv is for gilb (she cant use it ??)
wedge is for yvonne

[glad niche]

Yeh...

[tranquil burrow]

but bp weapons are f2p anyways

at least one of them per patch

but f2ps are also only getting one char per patch at best anyways

[quasi quarry]

wait do the offrates change for the weapon banners?

[tranquil burrow]

yes

[normal tangle]

wnn actually not that bad, just nobody can use it rn

[timber harness]

hey look its the youtuber guy

[normal tangle]

it's a pretty good electrification support weapon

prob for mi fu or something

to buff zhangyi

[timber harness]

how many CCs lurk this channel for their video feed

[tranquil burrow]

i've seen guoba and lin only

[drifting quest]

we've got 2 who actively engage

[timber harness]

gotta be at least 80% of the space i imagine

[drifting quest]

idk about any more that lurk or talk

[timber harness]

i said lurk

[tranquil burrow]

guoba memes more, lin sweats more

in chat

[normal tangle]

oh wait i might be illiterate

[tranquil burrow]

also is it me or do they both have really similar voices

[glad niche]

You can see a bunch of them in the sidebar. Very few chatters though

[normal tangle]

arts intensity AFTER already applying the effect 😭

[tranquil burrow]

the youtube optimized voice smh

[normal tangle]

who the fuck is gonna use this

[tranquil burrow]

inb4 that +12% is a unique multiplier and not additive with other %dmg

[vapid pecan]

guys dumb question, in the ianas excel when it doesnt show any symbol on top of the gear, what does it mean? that i can pick whatever of the two gear versions or??

[normal tangle]

it's not, we have it already

[torn raft]

It's an off weapon ofc they make it bad

[tranquil burrow]

I mean, we have good offs too

Wedge is decent

[drifting quest]

just isnt updated
should be optimal for those 4, ideally artificed

fortmaker is also an option for weapon but its some more funky rotation stuff

[vapid pecan]

do i want will or strength on my akke?

strength right?

[tranquil burrow]

akekuri?

i thought she wanted intellect

[ripe parrot]

int

[frigid vector]

itsa me

[tranquil burrow]

her passive scales with int

[vapid pecan]

ohh okay

[frigid vector]

no lurking though

[vapid pecan]

ty guys

[normal tangle]

?

[ripe parrot]

if you want to go dps akekuri (for some reason?) go agi

[normal tangle]

off weapons are usually like sigs for 5*

like jet, thermite, deto unit, etc

[vapid pecan]

wait i meant will or strength

im dumb

[ripe parrot]

i was thinking about dps akekuri for fun

after i'm done with my challenges

[normal tangle]

wnn just has a poorly designed effect

[torn raft]

There's still a bunch of cope weapons on it

[normal tangle]

it gives you the buff after the buff doesn't even matter

[tranquil burrow]

you and that catcher guy can hang out together

[torn raft]

I pulled 5 copies of finery

What am i gonna do with this

Nothing

[normal tangle]

snowshine maxxing

idfk

[glad niche]

Put it on the wall in Dijang

[indigo zephyr]

These are neither main nor secondary attributes, so it doesn't matter as much. Check their effects where attributes are listed

[torn raft]

[tranquil burrow]

Only limited sigs go on the wall or bust

[vapid pecan]

its the same effect

so it doesnt matter then

[torn raft]

Who goes into that room anyways

[vapid pecan]

?

[indigo zephyr]

I meant the effects of attributes in general, not of this gear

[tranquil burrow]

no one, wish they'd tp us in there instead lel

[torn raft]

I went in there to get the quest done

[indigo zephyr]

Strength gives you hp, will gives you something else. But it's miniscule, so...

[indigo zephyr]

It doesn't matter, yes

[ripe parrot]

okay what would be the most psychotic team ever
dps akekuri, catcher, snowshine, fluorite?

[vapid pecan]

both my akke and Ardelia use this gloves but the guide doesnt specify

[vapid pecan]

oh okey

[amber vapor]

Btw there's an exploit rn that allows people to vertically ascend and make insane zip setups (like this)

This one goes all the way to the top of the building too

[drifting quest]

all fun and games until ti gets patched, ziplines connections deleted and you're stuck with a zipline you cant remove

[torn raft]

Future qol has map zipline removal

But eh not worth the hassle

[quasi quarry]

didn't they say they're gonna let u remove stuff from the map later on

[torn raft]

Just glad i can make a rare node route soon

[quasi quarry]

or is that only for public ones

[drifting quest]

idk

[torn raft]

I am stupid and have 1.1k aerospace parts

[tranquil burrow]

We'll get there sooner or later

i mean just disabling it entirely

[midnight stirrup]

Yea within the next 2 patches

all that qol takes place

[torn raft]

Im 50 hits in for my 5-6 essence, no way i hit 90 without a success

[gritty olive]

a chance to even have enough sp for an ardelia skill

im still asking for a proper rotation because with how the sp economy is looking like i dont see a way for ardelia to sneak in a skill

[indigo zephyr]

What's the coolant gel usage optimized strategy? Save it all for the 5->6, right?

[torn raft]

Yeah sounds right

[tight haven]

it lowkey just works

[gritty olive]

can you do stuff again for me rq

just a gearless rotation against rhod

[ripe parrot]

i mean you would just delay a laev skill by 100sp

[gritty olive]

but by then you wont have enough magma stacks when youre doing your combo during ult no?

[tight haven]

oook

[ripe parrot]

you'd end with 3 post ardelia

and then you get 4 with one other application

[tight haven]

tell me thr exact rot

[gritty olive]

im doing a timeline so, if you would you can try to help me with this

[tight haven]

ima just wash the dishes

and by thst i mean do endfield daieis

daieis

omg

dailies

[gritty olive]

wulf skill -> ake skill -> wulfcombo or ake skill -> wulfcombo -> ake skill, while youre doing that, do surtr n5 -> ardelia combo -> surtr n5(weave the surtr combo) skill. now try to do n5s until you see that wulfcombo is back in action and you have enough sp to do double skill on akekuri again

since ill assume we start at 0 energy on umbral

[dry kindle]

You don't combo in ult

[tight haven]

monika

[gritty olive]

oh i mean combo combo

[tight haven]

thats a 300 sp start

[gritty olive]

no its not

[dry kindle]

First 2 umbral stages are aoe

[tight haven]

wulf ake ake bskill...

broe...

[dry kindle]

So lol lmao 1 akekuri for 4 stacks

[gritty olive]

its wulf combo, not skill

[wintry hazel]

So how's the weapon banner

[dry kindle]

Wut

[tight haven]

you said wulf skill mf

oh

ok

[wintry hazel]

Isn't gil out

[tight haven]

❤️

[dry kindle]

No

Like 4 hours

[wintry hazel]

Wh

Ow

[tight haven]

nope

[wintry hazel]

Bro enion

[tight haven]

for na/eu its on daily reset

[gritty olive]

wulf e, ake e, wulf c OR ake e, wulf c, ake e