aic-factory

[cobalt mauve]

im doing 5 sandleaf lines per forge....

[true furnace]

I've only been using 7

[cobalt mauve]

maybe I have enough sandleaf

[iron stratus]

oh you need to stop using it for carbon then

1 yazhen line can support a whole forge

you need like 2 sandleaf lines or something

[oblique slate]

I think playing 6 gacha games actually fried my brain. When I start building factory in Endfield

[cobalt mauve]

wait huh!?

[iron stratus]

each plant becomes 2 carbon

[cobalt mauve]

FR!?

[iron stratus]

and for one planting unit less

[nova osprey]

imagine using your brain in a gacha game

[nova osprey]

yes

[iron stratus]

about to be 7

[cobalt mauve]

aight time to fix the factory...

[oblique slate]

Yes because of nte

[iron stratus]

by the end of the year it'll be 9

[oblique slate]

I have no idea how anything works in the game and I’m about to be finish with chapter 4 of wiling

[oblique slate]

😭😭🫱🫱

[hard sail]

I split belts and my usage went up?

[oblique slate]

Swear ananta and sliver palace not release this year

[cobalt mauve]

wait I dont see the formula for carbon on yazhen

[nova osprey]

make it first, it'll appear once you've made it once

[cobalt mauve]

oh...

[nova osprey]

drop a single one in there

[wispy grove]

[ruby sorrel]

.....I was bad at math

[wispy grove]

how tf can i make 7.6 xira gourd

[ruby sorrel]

0 heavy but 210 xira

[wispy grove]

yeah

[oblique slate]

Mario

[wispy grove]

oh w8

[oblique slate]

Do I also need a battery factory in wiling?

[wispy grove]

[ruby sorrel]

no one told me I was splitting xira wrong earlier smh

[wispy grove]

all this effort just to return back to making heavy xira again next week

[keen river]

More like in three days, but yes

[dire vapor]

I'm already back to making Heavy Xira because if I don't start now I can't cap my HXira before phase 2

[ruby sorrel]

I'm fine with 61k hxira

it's already too much math

[mortal hemlock]

is this xiranite setup not optimzied enuf

[wispy grove]

i only have 30k

https://tenor.com/view/perlica-arknights-endfield-perlica-punch-punch-endfield-gif-14905320235782149917

[cobalt mauve]

sorry was fixing my aic what is it?

[cobalt mauve]

yeah you do

[summer gorge]

after some belt balancing im at max out put

[coral orchid]

I am thinking to make Xiranite Part and Bottle with 80/mins Xiranite
What combination that could achive stable with it?

[subtle finch]

2 lanes is 60, then use 20/min limiter, use stash as load balancer.
2 lanes in moulding, 1 lane in fitting

[ruby sorrel]

stash balancer is so nice

[coral orchid]

Probably not 80/mins but 110/mins xiranite....

since I am confused to make it stay stable

[subtle finch]

apply the same logic

[ruby sorrel]

if only logistics had 3x throughput of belts then we wouldn't have weird jams

[coral orchid]

If I know what I made like [x] parts and [x] bottle
I can craft a bit recipe
but I dunno what it should be

I was trying consume 80/mins xiranite
But I was consuming 75/mins instead

[summer gorge]

have another output lane and use splitters to send the amount u need the send the rest back into the system

[nova osprey]

hell yeahhh

[ruby sorrel]

you don't need to know how many you're making, as long as you throw in some amount <=90 into a stash and put them into fitting/moulding in 1:2 ratio

[ruby sorrel]

wait this is just a dedstash

but it's 3x3

[rare moon]

0 facility behaviour

[ruby sorrel]

burning my ferrium stash....

might as well meta ferrium this week

[subtle finch]

there

[wispy grove]

💀

[subtle finch]

overflow works with belts too

[wispy grove]

why bother over flow?

[subtle finch]

cause the alternative is stash

[shrewd knoll]

that fitting and moulding should be inversed though

you are just clogging the fitting unit

[wispy grove]

this is better split

2/3 fitting and 4/3 on moulding

[subtle finch]

or that

[wispy grove]

looks nice 2/9 and 4/9

[keen river]

I just use protocol stash as 2->3 balancer, less overkill

[lime blaze]

can you give me your code pls?

[wispy grove]

code?

[lime blaze]

i mean the blueprint

[subtle finch]

bro is asking bp for 2 units 😭

[lime blaze]

im too lazy tbh

waiting for NTE

its 3 am for me

[subtle finch]

im too lazy to think for a reply

[lime blaze]

that is my first night staying up in the last 5 years

[wispy grove]

dishonour🥀

[lime blaze]

lol

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/mulan-mushu-dishonor-dishonor-on-you-dishonor-on-your-cow-gif-8017278316557794968

[lime blaze]

relax unc

[shrewd knoll]

time to jump ship so you can run people over on stolen cars again

[lime blaze]

yours seems good..... blueprint code pls

[cobalt mauve]

thx for letting me know about this btw

[subtle finch]

@ruby sorrel i made the funniest 24/min limiter

[ruby sorrel]

how could you do this

are you telling me I should route gourds through the xiranite before pulling it out again to depot

[subtle finch]

[ruby sorrel]

are you happy now

[lofty lodge]

whats the max cuprium ore we can get? is it 180/min?

[nova osprey]

for now ye

[ruby sorrel]

this feels infinitely more cursed than before

[lofty lodge]

i see, i should make half heptonite production setup for now

[graceful otter]

So... what to do with all those extra originium ore now?

[ruby sorrel]

actually since it's full belt aren't control ports going to throttle offline

[hidden hornet]

bruh whats an efficient full heavy forge bp i cannot for the life of me find one

[subtle finch]

i don't have much experience with control ports, so idk if it's really as bad as they say offline

[rugged gulch]

I think cause most don't really make one on its own. It tends to feed off the battery line production. The inert is recycled and makes what you need for heavy, then its just 2 lines of xiranite.

[hidden hornet]

ugh i guess ill make my own 6x heavy forge

[rugged gulch]

are you trying to make more then one line of heavy?

[ruby sorrel]

actually playing 6x heavy

[rugged gulch]

no clue how that would work. You would have to forsake anything else that used xiranite and would only get 2 lines up and running. Unless you are burning stock pile.

[summer gorge]

just tried to make the jade gourds, is the recipe still locked

[pulsar cypress]

Do the event story to unlock

[rugged gulch]

Jade is locked till phase 2.

[summer gorge]

dam wanted to pre make a layout and cant

[pulsar cypress]

Oh yass.. Jade later.

[random estuary]

Is xiranite jade recipe already leaked?
how much heavy does it need

[leaden drift]

is this good enough?

[random estuary]

6/min 8 hours from start should clear phase 1 iirc

[leaden drift]

i think i missed day 1

[wispy wren]

Question

Does phase 2 fully replace gourd?

[random estuary]

Na/eu, you're still on day 1
Asia. You're. Slightly behind. But at double the speed, you'll catch up in a day and can slow down for the rest.

[wispy wren]

Like can you exchange both gourd and jade? Or just jade

[leaden drift]

coolio

ill switch back to battery maxing after i catch up

[rugged gulch]

Jade takes heavy xiranite and Hetonite. so its more a replace thing.

[random estuary]

I don't expect gourd to go away. But trim medal needs jade so. .....

[iron stratus]

2 heavy xira 1 heto 1 yazhen solution it seems per gourd

[leaden drift]

rrrrraw?

[rugged gulch]

1 heavy xira

[wispy wren]

Mmmm i need to stockpile xircon effluent for phase 2 that i'm using rn to offset the missing xircon production

[random estuary]

1yazhen?? So crucible/filling station? Big oofs

[wispy wren]

Should last me for 2 days maybe

[iron stratus]

you have 10x too much of each material

around that

[shadow void]

?

[iron stratus]

only 5 actually nevermind

[leaden drift]

okay hoarding regular heto

[shadow void]

Looks fine to me, can you point out whats wrong?

[rugged gulch]

Looks fine to me too. at least based on the data mine stuff we have.

[wispy wren]

Man these are a lifesaver ngl

[hidden hornet]

bro legit just hated then left

[shadow void]

and dont stress on making too much of the Xiranite Gourd, the Jade Gourd for phase 2 is supposed to be 120/30 for selling

[hidden hornet]

watch it be 75

[shadow void]

Eh, for me that'd still be fine

[random estuary]

What happens to xiranite parts and bottles when event ends? Poof into nothing? Or sold at unknown ratio?

[leaden drift]

I hope we can keep the bottles

[shadow void]

I prepped, they will balance it for ppl that play the game normally

[hidden hornet]

man it says read the damn event banner

[shadow void]

auto sold

[random estuary]

Sold for what value. You can't sell the parts and bottles right now right?

[leaden drift]

what if we fill em

[hidden hornet]

we still trying the thing tho right?

[leaden drift]

or move em to V4

[hidden hornet]

go ahead and try

[shadow void]

they dont have a recipie for them and you cant move them, i dont think

[hidden hornet]

manual?

hold on brb

[shadow void]

i'm trying now

[leaden drift]

cant put sewage

[random estuary]

imagine they slip up and can only fill with sewage dang too fast

[shadow void]

you cant fill them, they dont have a recipie for it

[leaden drift]

nooooooo

[shadow void]

you can move them to V4, but they will still probably be auto sold

[leaden drift]

ima try

[shadow void]

heard earlier you cant metatransfer them, but meh

[random estuary]

Auto sold for. .. V4 stock bills?

[leaden drift]

it would be nice to have some weird random thing in my inventory

[shadow void]

no, they'll be auto sold for wuling stock bills and certs

[random estuary]

But. Is there a "stock bill value" for the empty bottles? I thought we can only still gourd

[subtle finch]

https://tenor.com/view/endministrator-endmin-arknights-endfield-bomb-gif-3801526505005205420

[leaden drift]

https://tenor.com/view/hoarder-hoarding-messy-room-cleaning-gif-24211763

[hidden hornet]

manual transfer is a yes

[hot panther]

wait, for max gourd production, you have to turn off heavy xiranite line?

[shadow void]

i wouldnt turn hvy off for it

you'll need hvy for phase 2

save heavy xiranite and Hetonite

[rugged gulch]

If you really want to push normal gourds, you can turn off heavy and 1 battery line. Would not recommend, but hey.

[random estuary]

For Max gourd. You stop everything and just gourd. (And manual batteries)

[shadow void]

Yeah, recommend not, but it's your game

[hot panther]

what about balanced at least

[shadow void]

I cut a battery line for it

had to repipe some things, but thats all i did

[vale topaz]

turn off 1 sc line, make half speed heavy xiranite for 6 /m gourd line + 2 /m gourd line, total of 7 forge producing xiranite

[rugged gulch]

I'm just using the 1 line of xiranite to make gourds, have it running 2x right now to eat stock pile. but will reduce it once thats gone. Stockpile Heavy and hetonite to make as many jade gourds in phase 2.

[hot panther]

me rn transporting blue bottles from valley to wuling to maximize hoarding

[shadow void]

half SC, install separater to debottle xircon effluent, run full 6/m hvy xiranite, repipe an expanded crucible to dump into the forge making hvy xir so the 2 on the active sc line dont stop

[hidden hornet]

nvm, it allowed me to only transfer the parts and bottle not the gourds

[shadow void]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1461541796977967289/1498836357173350540/image.png?ex=69f29ba2&is=69f14a22&hm=b4eb83b4e45b0e36dcdbe0b03194e1180a2e2a0145eda42f9fed6066f0e2fd50&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=540&height=900

nothing shall be wasted

[hidden hornet]

noice

[hot panther]

are two power banks good enough to power a whole factory?

[hidden hornet]

depends on the factory

duh

[shadow void]

i use 4 and a throttled 1, with HC valleyIV

[hot panther]

wait why store waste?

[hidden hornet]

upcoming event

[hot panther]

oh, to expand more bottles, right?

[wispy wren]

Not max but like if you turn off your Hv xir production you get 10/m gourd rn and if you don't then it's 6.
It comes down to if you're willing to wait that long to clear out your shop.

Assuming you're doing 60/m xircon

[hidden hornet]

or new area rather

no the um god damn it why dont people read the banners

me included

[shadow void]

tried to find the picture, but Purification Nodes in Test Area will take sewage and make xircon effluent or inert, dunno, but it takes sewage

[wispy wren]

If your factory calls for the power

You feed it the powah

[shadow void]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461541796977967289/1498351455105454261/image.png?ex=69f22988&is=69f0d808&hm=1c552e2a8681b257d6780b025e4923f6b28fd49d19eed8be81755b467c5f44e3&

[wispy wren]

https://tenor.com/view/thunder-lightning-watches-speed-please-speed-i-need-this-ohio-speed-gif-11199722756900841654

[hidden hornet]

i hate that guy\

[shadow void]

I'ma be pumping that thing to the max

[hot panther]

nani too many new facilities in such a short time span

[nova osprey]

i wonder if we're getting a third outpost

[hidden hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/fadding-homelander-gif-16156538903600882075

[wispy wren]

The memes that come out of him are pretty fun

[shadow void]

That'll be for Test Area on the 14th

[jolly shore]

SC batteries: 10 xir/54 bills
Heavy: 14 xir/27 bills
Gourd: 15 xir/40 bills
TLDR, keep 4 forges on SC battery duty and put the other 4 on xiranite.
If you have bottles lying around, you can divert the xiranite effluent to a filling unit, otherwise just hook a waste processor to it.

[shadow void]

probably not, wouldnt plan on it

[jolly shore]

This sound about right?

[vale topaz]

you can have 7 forge producing xiranite.
depend on your sc and heavy line, my line is like that and just need to turn off 1 sc and running half speed heavy.

[wispy wren]

This might end up being a headache if these are like prebuilt stationary facilities xD

[nova osprey]

yeah, but the placement of the purification nodes are awkward as hell, that's what im going off of lol

[shadow void]

they are, probably upgrading them like other facilites we currently have, and upgrades increase throuput

[vale topaz]

thinking to run a line of yazhen c because unused ferrium, but too tired having to put pipes again ._.

[tough scarab]

more bottles never hurt anyone

[wispy wren]

The stockbill demand ain't that high to warrant that tbh

Just let it pile up

I fucking hate ferrium in wuling, sometimes you barely get enough, then a update drops and you're overflowing

It's never optimal

[rugged gulch]

i'm running C, just cause i'm also running A. its good to have more things to sell even if you don't need them

[vale topaz]

sir, this is arknight endfield not arknight endbottle.

[tough scarab]

if you don't have hundreds of thousands of ferrium bottles filled with various liquids you're not using enough ferrium

[vale topaz]

alright, who joined bottle cult at this server ._.

[shadow void]

i'm crazy

[nova osprey]

hi crazy im dad

[wispy wren]

I just moved my V4 stockpile of bottles to wuling lol

[shadow void]

37k Xircon effluent, 31k Hetonite Solution, and i'm banking sewage in 4 bottles atm

[shadow void]

I did the same, making amethyst bottles atm

[nova osprey]

y'all are insane, I'm doing the same though

[shadow void]

crazy club

[leaden drift]

right now for xircon effluent im just recycling

or inert

[nova osprey]

I'm omw to retire v4 factory

[vale topaz]

it's true.

[leaden drift]

my V4 factory makes SC batteries

[nova osprey]

idk what else to buy from v4

so imma just

[sinful flicker]

was i suppose to do something else after connecting the 2 ends areas?
like i connected them but no water is goign through im lost

[nova osprey]

retire it

[wispy wren]

Steel bottles suck balls, kind of a bummer we don't need it post V4. They could've done something cool like certain bottles do certain liquids.

[shadow void]

I was doing the bottling prior to the event because I had nothing to use excess Xiranite on. I banked Xircon Effluent cuz you can turn it into Hvy or Xircon for batteries

[shadow void]

Cryston Bottle: "Hey!"

[leaden drift]

Yeah i was bottling almost all of it but right now im trying to lower my bottle collection

[wispy wren]

There was a leak you need cryston bottles to hold acid. Ig they scrapped that idea lol

[shadow void]

lame, it should of been the case

[leaden drift]

cryston botles always dead weight atm

[shadow void]

literally part of its description

but as just a means of bottle/unbottle transport of liquid its ok

[wispy wren]

I mean you can craft them and fill up with liquids for fashion.

If you like the whitish aesthetics

[jolly shore]

Am I doing it right?

[shadow void]

guess its not "acid" but just a corrosive substance probably

[nova osprey]

crazy? i was crazy once

[leaden drift]

nah not enough bottles

[nova osprey]

[wispy wren]

Ferric choloride solvent, i feel like they're gonna ask is to combine some kind of ferrium solvent with acid and use cryston bottles to hold them

[jolly shore]

I'm waiting for a blaze reconvener or M3

[shadow void]

anything'd be cool

[leaden drift]

nb4 chen alter 4

[shadow void]

I know thats probably an OG Arknights operator or something

[wispy wren]

We actually will get that. Goofy chen will certainly go through a character arc and become mahoraga

[leaden drift]

so whens myrtle coming

[jolly shore]

Blaze is a chainsaw cat lady, M3 is the green cat lady you see at the start of the game

[nova osprey]

chainsaw fire cat lady with big assets

[shadow void]

what are alters i kinda get what a reconvener is

[nova osprey]

[jolly shore]

alters are the same character but a different kit

[shadow void]

like an upgraded or . . . enhanced version

when do you think that'll happen?

[leaden drift]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-chen-arknights-chen-gif-25586190

[jolly shore]

I dont expect alters in endfield for a while unless they run out of designs, but arknights has their developer favorites and it shows

[nova osprey]

quite often sidegrades in arknights

as in different role

[wispy wren]

Basically when an existing character goes through a character arc in story and is presented as a different person with changed views, behaviour and lore. Can sometimes even be a alternate universe character.

Or if HG is feeling lazy, just a outfit swap

[nova osprey]

but they are typically stronger than others of the same role

[subtle finch]

"usually" it's when they get character growth/development that they get an alter, "usually"

[leaden drift]

gibe me skull shatterer will be funny

[jolly shore]

Jessica Alter is a standout

[nova osprey]

lmao ik who the "usually" is directed at

[unique nova]

idm alters since it doesn't force the devs to shove 5000 chars into the story to just leave behind and forget after their patch

[vale topaz]

with everyone into bottle, i won't be surprised if next operator skill, combo, and ultimate will use stashed bottle as ammunition / extra damage....

[jolly shore]

most recent arknights event released not one but TWO alters

[shadow void]

Yes plz

[leaden drift]

here me out character bottles

[jolly shore]

Arcane using up my liquid heavy xiranite to do 5% more damage nooooooooooo

[leaden drift]

very similar to.... jars

[shadow void]

As long as you dont use bottles to catch them, and then throw the bottle to fight other characters

That'd be bad

[leaden drift]

https://tenor.com/view/marrochi-evil-smile-gif-17069254501175743930

[wispy wren]

Example of perfect alter in arknights: skadi the corrupting heart(wife)

Then there's bum no sense alters like swire/texas(still wife)

[small creek]

so i win

here ya go fam

[leaden drift]

swire alter carried me through so long adele when it first came out.... I just started the game like maybe 2 months before it released

[nova osprey]

[leaden drift]

what if

Endfield Merchant Class Operators

[wispy wren]

Yk it'd be really pog if we do get jars. Say tripple the yield of bottles but only consumes 3ores instead 2

[leaden drift]

https://tenor.com/view/paypal-30000-arknights-arknights-endfield-perlica-gif-604696076763371309

[wispy wren]

And make us place objects in their as well

[leaden drift]

https://tenor.com/view/swire-arknights-mouzyy-lmd-money-gif-594306451902070772

[abstract sage]

and so it finally begins. finally got some sandleaf to get this chain a going

[jolly shore]

I quit before blaze alter, but it was referenced early on that technically she's a caster, to which other employees pointed at her and basically said "what about her looks like a caster at all?"

[shadow void]

pumping life into the factory

[wispy wren]

Lady is 40yo and still single... Give her a break

[jolly shore]

I love my assertive wine aunt

[abstract sage]

exactly, battery farm because I woke up to a non-moving power starved factory this morning. had to push through MSQ to get sandleaf but this should stop that from happening again

[shadow void]

man, i need more AIC space and placement limit

[jolly shore]

Found the line: "Look, what the hell did they decide to write here? Just look at that chainsaw. Do Casters lug stuff like that around? No no, is there anything about her that says "Caster" to you?!"
– A fire-based Caster who has chosen not to reveal their identity

[shadow void]

does the chainsaw spew fire or something?

[subtle finch]

it's not even accurate 😭 , the split is uneven, and can leak out back to depot when the fitting unit is full

[small creek]

its 10/10/10 🥀

when the fitting unit is full, it becomes 15/15 between moulding and depot

either way its only 20 xiranite on avg

[subtle finch]

yeah, but depot need to be maintained at 10

hence the "leak"

[small creek]

🥀

[vale topaz]

soon you will chant the name of sandleaf god.

[small creek]

well if u could make an accurate 1.33 thatd be great

[subtle finch]

i alr did 🥀

[small creek]

this be my graph

holy crap what is that logistic spaghetti

is that really necessary

[subtle finch]

it's 20/min limiter, then split 2:1

[small creek]

ohhhh

[shadow void]

Have you ppl that come up with those things asked HG for limiters and priority logistics?

[small creek]

ohh

[wispy wren]

How many intert xir effluent lines you need through purification unit to power 1 hv xiranite xircon effluent needs?

[abstract sage]

So I've heard. Already working on setting up a seperate setup just to farm sandleaf

[jolly shore]

https://youtu.be/T4jXAPNsea0?si=2U_CDmXjo0CC-9T9&t=296 she spews fire, the chainsaw is a wand

[small creek]

so u split 10/10/10, converge to 10/20, then split the 20 to like, 20/3 or smth

[shadow void]

Next survey I get thats deffiently gonna be #1 thing on my list to ask for

[subtle finch]

[small creek]

Im gonna do that, thank u

I guess this is the leak youre talking abt

Man

[jolly shore]

there are a lot of great characters in arknights, I just think blaze would be a great addition and could synergize with a lot of characters. We do already have levi and rossi for fire, so it might be a while though

[shadow void]

I was thinking if AKE will get anywhere near as many operators as OG AK

[jolly shore]

not a chance

I'm pretty sure there are like over 300 AK units

[shadow void]

including those alters and stuff?

or is that just like an upgrade path for a character?

[ruby sorrel]

could've just slapped 2 stashes down and 0 logistics

[nova osprey]

including alters

but there aren't many alters in the first place

[jolly shore]

https://sanitygone.help/en/operators/ I count 412 operators, and yes some are alters

[mortal hemlock]

its kinda sizable

should be around 30+

[thorn axle]

generally speaking once you get around 16k hetonite components you can go back to production for profit right?

[shadow void]

very much

[subtle finch]

my builds cant take a break here 😭

[jolly shore]

do we need hetonite for part 2 or something?

[simple aspen]

how to finish an event and be financially xiranite-ly done in an hour

[thorn axle]

no just for min maxing gear for all the fuck ass artificing lmao

[uneven aspen]

the 4 crucibles making xircon for 12/m scwuling batteries, so 60/m xircon

[shadow void]

comps are for gear, parts for selling/building, hetonite will be used for Jade Gourds in phase 2 of current event

[lofty lodge]

manage to get 20 heptonite/min but wish i can have more cuprium ore to make it produce heptonite 30/min

[thorn axle]

Which blueprint are people using for the event atm?

[jolly shore]

don't suppose you got a source for that? guessing someone datamined it?

[uneven aspen]

should be doable when the next area comes in 16 days

[ruby sorrel]

it's 3 buildings, what blueprint

[shadow void]

not really a bp, you only need 3 and its really simple

only really need half of this

[thorn axle]

oh huh....

how long for that to work to finish event requirements?

[uneven aspen]

you can see the recipes in enka or endfieldtools linked in the pins

[shadow void]

at 6/m ~5 days

phase 2 Jade gourd will be way more profitable, and you really dont even need 6/m

[thorn axle]

fair enough

what're people doing rn for max profits rn tho

for wuling bills

[shadow void]

The standard (for me)is 12/m SC batteries, 6/m Hvy Xiranite, 4/m Hetonite Parts, and you have some leeway with extra xiranite and ferrium, some do 1.25/m SC extra some do more LC for simplicity, some make an extra bit of Yazhen C. Some ppl use a combination of Cuprium for Hetonite and Yazhen A.

[thorn axle]

damn

as a non factorio player this shit makes my head spin LMFAO

[nova osprey]

16k heto is kind of nuts

[thorn axle]

yeah.......

[nova osprey]

it's far more than youll ever need

[thorn axle]

I kinda just left it on and forgot about it for a couple days

[uneven aspen]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q4NjfhyYLnKv-ws2ErCk9nzg1vWuPK3KPDv9ex4EmFc/edit?usp=sharing

try using this to find out what you want to produce, should help out

[nova osprey]

likely at least lol

[nova osprey]

oof xD

[jolly shore]

so part 2 asks for hetonite, huh?

[nova osprey]

yeah

apparently

[shadow void]

theres many different bps you can use to be one and done *well, they are still a bit complex

[thorn axle]

There's no like blueprint code or etc for people consolidating how to make it?

ah

[jolly shore]

well, I guess I can stockpile some, I've just been making parts and bottles with it

[uneven aspen]

there's #1461542035617091681 for those

also youtube videos if you search them up

[thorn axle]

I think my current setup was with like leander's stuff with something like this:
Wuling:
Main: 12/min batt + 6/min heavy
Sub 1: 7 forge (idk what this is lol)
Sub 2: heto comps

but now I'm guessing I don't need the heto comps so

[uneven aspen]

12/m batt and 6/m heavy xiranite pays for 95% of the outpost . . .

so everyelse is kinda optional

[thorn axle]

well shid

[uneven aspen]

6/m heavy xiranite pays for like 99% of the 2nd outpost iirc

[thorn axle]

so I just get rid of hetonite component production and good?

[shadow void]

yeah that image the guy posted is spam

[ruby sorrel]

is this the new hack

[uneven aspen]

that's what i did for this event

[thorn axle]

actually wait I'd need a new source of sewage so

I could make some of the syringe c?

[uneven aspen]

just stockpiling hetonite and doing 2/m hetonite parts to sell

no more heto components for me

[shadow void]

some random stuff about Pablo working in Ukraine immigrating to US

[uneven aspen]

and dming them money so a scam

idk how to ping mods/staff here

usually someone replies the scam message witha ping

[shadow void]

I reported it as spam

[strong shadow]

Hey would i just be able to replace heavy xiranite production to make the gourds?

[jolly shore]

I guess I'll start storing hetonite instead of making parts and bottles

[nova osprey]

basically

[shadow void]

and blocked

[strong shadow]

I mean with the stock buff rn can we even buy em out?

Is it worth diverting batt production into gourds?

[nova osprey]

yes you can

[shadow void]

It'll work at 66% efficency, but it'll work, thing is you'll need to do something about your Xircon Effluent

[untold matrix]

Everyone else 6/m gourd, halt hetonite comp? 8 skyforge focus xiranite

[strong shadow]

My xircon effluent is part of a closed line, if i cut off the useage itl just stop making the effluent lol

Why halt hetonite comp doe?

[shadow void]

half SC, used excess xiranite, repipe some things, run everything else as normal, 6/m gourd

[nova osprey]

why make heto comp is the better question

[uneven aspen]

yup. make the 8th forge xiranite. If you did inert xireffu from the xircon crucibles to purfication for the heavy xiranite, you have to move those back to the crucibles instead.

should leave you with 90/m(might be 10-20/m less if you're making hetonite gear components) enough for 1 6/m xiranite gourd

[jolly shore]

I was selling some of them for bills

[nova osprey]

aren't those parts

[untold matrix]

I meant the equipment crafting mat that require hetonite

• heavy xiran

[warped delta]

Not as nuts as you might think. That's probably enough to get mostly artificed on maybe 1.5-2 sets of gear

[jolly shore]

ah, yeah, I haven't bothered making components, the new set is neat with CD but I will build it later

[wispy grove]

your heavy xira wont be able to keep up with the heto production

[ruby sorrel]

and who is crazy enough to artifice with heto gear

[strong shadow]

my heavy xir production is completeley separate from my xircon stuff, so chilling

[nova osprey]

uhh no making that much for artificing purposes is insane

[strong shadow]

literally just replaced it XD

[shadow void]

Huh

[strong shadow]

U can sell hetonite parts doe

[jolly shore]

15 hetonite/m means 21.6k a day, and if you transfer extra to valley 4 you can have a full stockpile in a week I guess

[uneven aspen]

you want around 43k gourds sold to buyout phase 1 of the event shop. should take around 5 days. 👍

[warped delta]

You'd use at least 50 per piece to artifice them. 50x50=2500 x 4 pieces = 10k for one set...

[nova osprey]

you need one base gear set and then you use xira and cuprium components to artifice, not heto components

using heto components is like 10x more expensive on material costs alone

[shadow void]

15k gets you 300 gears, plus you wouldnt be using just Heto Comp gear for artificing

you can use Xiranite and Cuprium Comp gear to artifice Heto Comp made gear

[jolly shore]

yeah, you don't need that many gourds but they're still worth a good amount of bills. Seems best to have 4 forges on SC duty and 4 on gourds

[warped delta]

I see, well I assumed you had to use like-gear for artificing, so I didn't know you could cheap out and use xira on them. Is it a lower success rate though so you're spending more attempts?

[shadow void]

Better question, is there a Heto Comp made gear that can only be artificed with other Heto Comp gear?

[shadow void]

Just similar stats

[warped delta]

Speaking of which, I should turn off my heto comps production tomorrow, I'm at like 25k now

[shadow void]

It's deffinetly not a bad thing to have plenty

[nova osprey]

success rate is based on the base stats of the gear

so no, you don't get worse success rates by using other gear

heto gear only has side grades in terms of stats, but not better

if anything you're more likely to get better rates with other gear. But in any case using other gear won't be worse, can only be better

[warped delta]

Only issue is you can't sell comps and it's only 180 per crate, so it would take you a long time to use up excess

[orchid pilot]

I think material cost is least of the concern with heto comp rn because we don't have actual endgame use for hetonite yet
the big reason overprod is a waste, imo, is the bill cost of crafting heto gear

no reason to use it as artifice fodder when it costs raw bills x3 or whatever

[nova osprey]

that is fair tbg

tbh*

[shadow void]

True, never know when more gear that uses it will come out, or if even better gear might use a combination of comps

[wispy grove]

we still need more moneh

[nova osprey]

when we get there we'll get there for me

especially since if there is an upgrade there's no rush to upgrade

[small creek]

thanks for the inspo

[nova osprey]

can also stock on both hxira and heto in case it's needed later, and sell excess when I'm close to capped

[shadow void]

Is any of the near gear only upgradeable with other Heto comp gear?

[jolly shore]

So before I go out to run errands, we should be stockpiling hetonite for week 2, anything else?

[nova osprey]

no

[shadow void]

Never actually looked, just adding a few pieces to like 2 ops

[nova osprey]

all can be upgraded using xiranite/cuprium

[lofty lodge]

phew, manage make heptonite setup . Currently is 20/min. as soon as new cuprium ore arrive, i should have 30/min heptonite

[small creek]

bigger footprint tho

[ruby sorrel]

noo I realised I have excess belt bridges

[shadow void]

got that place packed

[ruby sorrel]

....changing it is a hassle I guess I hvae to live with 4 bridges I didn't need to use

[shadow void]

I need a use for originium, halving my SC batteries and i'm already backing up on Packed Origocrust and Dense Cubes

68k of the other Dense cube and its just gonna be sitting there

[iron stratus]

no need to half sc batteries

[strong shadow]

this... should probably work

[shadow void]

guess i could turn it back on and run the small excess Xiranite into gourds

*not gonna stop Hvy Xiranite

need that to run 6/m till phase 2

[nova osprey]

I'm not stopping my hxira

[strong shadow]

wHATS SO IMPORTANT ABOUT HEAVY XIRA?

OOP

caps

[shadow void]

Jade Gourds take it

[vale topaz]

it's for next phase of this event

[strong shadow]

oh is that the next thing

[shadow void]

phase 2 gourd

[strong shadow]

i seee

so shouldnt stop heavy xira?

or maybe run it slower?

[iron stratus]

there's an extra xira forge with full sc and heavy xira so use that on gourds and that's more than enough

[shadow void]

no, i would not

[iron stratus]

2/min is enough for all the shop items by the time the second part releases

[strong shadow]

... whats sc?

[iron stratus]

batteries

[strong shadow]

i see

[shadow void]

just the name of the battery LC SC HC

[pulsar cypress]

*me who stop hxira coz lazy to edit the other set up..

[vale topaz]

no stop, you can run at half speed but don't trade for stock or dump them to v4 if near max, or manual feed for hetonite comp if you want

[nova osprey]

im personally not changing much to my factory except for making gourds with excess xira

[untold matrix]

It's confirmed to use heavy xi in phase 2?

[nova osprey]

then dumping all hxira on phase 2

[strong shadow]

wdym manually feed for heto comp?

[shadow void]

Low Capacity, Standard Capacity, High Capacity *

[strong shadow]

Tf does heavy xira have to do with heto

[iron stratus]

for comps and jade gourds

[strong shadow]

heto parts are required for gourds?

[nova osprey]

heto gear needs hxira ig

[iron stratus]

heavy xira and heto parts make heto comps

[pulsar cypress]

Materials for 2nd phase new items..

[nova osprey]

no regular heto is needed for gourds

[iron stratus]

heavy xira parts and heto is needed for jade gourds

[nova osprey]

according to datamined content

[strong shadow]

I'm not prodoucing any heto gear atm

[strong shadow]

so no problems there

[iron stratus]

you should be producing heto parts though

48 bills for 1

[strong shadow]

meant to say gear

Oh it needs reg heto

[nova osprey]

yeah

[strong shadow]

SHOULD I START STOCKPILING HETO THEN?

DAMMIT

caps

[vale topaz]

use protocol stash in belt mode to feed gear unit for heto comp.
a full protocol stash can make 150 heto comp.
so you can just strap x pairs of protocol stash to make certain number of heto comp everyday.

[jolly shore]

so this is the formula then?

[shadow void]

it might not be exact ratio, but that is the formula

[strong shadow]

so... I should keep producing heavy xiranite

[thorn axle]

does anyone have a 6/min heavy xiranite blueprint

[jolly shore]

if this is the case, I shouldn't have altered my factory and kept making heavy xiranite

[strong shadow]

Uhh do I sell the goards now or save em for crafting for phase 2?

[vale topaz]

optional, stock hetonite and dump to hc4
or drain cuprium mining for cuprium dust, so when 2nd half come, can full boost hetonite line for few days.

[shadow void]

someone mentioned the ratio was differnt on another factory bp planner

[strong shadow]

hc4?

[shadow void]

I'd say its correct but it could be wrong

[vale topaz]

valley 4, sorry

[jolly shore]

I'm wondering if I should revert my changes so I can get a head start on making heavy xir for part 2, since I'm kind of making enough gourds already

[iron stratus]

you again only need 2/min for that half of the event so dont worry

which means 4 heavy xira/min

and 2 heto iirc

[jolly shore]

to me it depends more on whether the stock bill profit will be higher than what we're getting now which it likely will be

[small creek]

its higher

[jolly shore]

I think I'll craft regular gourds until I run out of bottles to fill with spare effluent then switch back to heavy xir

[small creek]

like, better xiranite to stock bills ratio and all that

[jolly shore]

Yeah, the gourds already give better value than heavy xiranite

[iron stratus]

120/gourd

[jolly shore]

SC batteries: 10 xir/54 bills
Heavy: 14 xir/27 bills
Gourd: 15 xir/40 bills

[strong shadow]

Ok i think ima burn my excess xiranite in my storage to produce 6/min gourds for a little bit

[small creek]

idt they do

[jolly shore]

speculation?

[iron stratus]

that's what other people have been saying today

[jolly shore]

idk, one heavy xir is worth 27 bills so if you need 6 heavy for one jade gourd it's pretty bad value

[hot panther]

heavy xiranite is only good for gears, other than that, there aren't any better values

[small creek]

Hxira: 60 for 6/min x 27 bills
Gourd: 90 for 6/min x 40 bills

6x27 = 162
60/90 x 6 x 40 = 160

Gourd makes 2 less bills per min

[iron stratus]

no you only need 2 heavy for one gourd

[small creek]

That is assuming you take xircon effl from scw purification, which u should be doing anw

[marble yarrow]

(actually 1:1)

[thorn axle]

are there any NA heavy xiranite 6/min blueprints out there? the ones I see in #1461542035617091681 are all asia

[jolly shore]

just hook pipes to the inert xiranite effluent your SC battery lines are making and funnel them to a purification unit, then just hook 2 xiranite forges to it and bam 6/m

[vapid dock]

Heavy xiranite is 13.5 bills/xiranite, gourd is 13.33 bills/xiranite. Heavy should still be better resourcewise since you'll also be producing an extra line of xiranite.

For now just make enough gourds to clean shop and then stockpile heavy for phase 2, depending on how much jade sells for we go from there

[thorn axle]

I'm kind of stupid but is there a visual aid for that cuz I'm braindead when it comes to factorio

[jolly shore]

how are you getting those numbers?

[vapid dock]

It takes 3 xiranite to make one gourd, 2 xiranite (assuming you use effluent from sc) to make one heavy

[jolly shore]

Oh you mean jade gourd

[vapid dock]

No just regular heavy

[cyan forge]

How does heavy produce an extra line of xira?

Isn't it the other way around?

[tacit quarry]

could we save more space?

[jolly shore]

I don't get your math then. One gourd is 15 xiranite and sells for 40 bills (2.6 value per xiranite) One heavy costs 10 xitanite plus 5 effluent which can be accomplished with 4 xiranite to total at 14. Heavy xiranite sells for 27 bills (1.9 value per xiranite)

[cyan forge]

Heavy xira also eats a forge

So u have to then calc that -forge's 30/min xira

[vapid dock]

Its assuming you use effluent from sc

[cyan forge]

Even with that

[jolly shore]

you're still losing out on the xiranite production

I will still make heavy xiranite, but not to sell. I'll stockpile that stuff for value for next week

[cyan forge]

I'm moreso confused of how heavy xira give u an extra line of xira

Cos it's not an extra line

Even if u make gourd, those extra effluents can always go to making more xircon

[abstract sage]

yummy sandleaf

[cyan forge]

So those "extra xira line" that comes from xircon prod, is never gonna go to waste whether u r making heavy or gourd (am assuming u r talking abt effluent byproduct)

On the other hand, making gourd actually frees a forge for making regular xira.

[shadow void]

how does making gourds free up a forge?

[jolly shore]

I personally used the inert effluent from the 4 xircon forges to supplement the heavy xiranite forge through a purifier. I guess in that sense the 4 xiranite there is "free" but you still have to factor in that you're using 3 forges to make havy xiranite

[cyan forge]

U make heavy xira in a forge. U make gourd in a packaging unit.

[shadow void]

maybe i joined that convo late and missed something

[jolly shore]

heavy xira requires an extra forge to make,

[thorn axle]

how much base xiranite are you guys making? I'm getting around like 120/min but using up 260 rn

[cyan forge]

But that same effluent could also be routed back into xircon prod (if u take xira from aic)

[vapid dock]

Hm yeah no I remath it I forgot about the free forge which makes the difference. Disabling both gives you 4 free forges.

6/min heavy (3 forge use) + 2/min gourd (1 forge worth of xiranite) is 242 bills/min

8/min gourd (4 forges worth if xiranite) is 320 bills/min

[cyan forge]

Cos it'll make ur prod eat less xira when u put in more effluent to substitute

So it's not like it'll ever go to waste

If that's the argument for an extra xira line

[vale topaz]

you can produce 210 xiranite.
if your sc formation is 2 sc + 1 heavy xiranite.

with this event, shutdown 1 sc and run half efficiency of heavy xir

[thorn axle]

damn wtf

what blueprints are you guys running

[vale topaz]

self made ....

[thorn axle]

gahdamn

[jolly shore]

I respect that you were able to admit it in such a mature manner, fortunately it's a fast fix since you can just duplicate the extra xiranite forge you were already using for xiranite. That said, in a few days none of this will matter since it will still be better value to have a heavy xir forge running, likely

[cyan forge]

True

It's not even likely, am p sure it'll just straight up be better

[vale topaz]

#aic-factory message
#aic-factory message
#aic-factory message
my base prior modification for this event

[vapid dock]

I mean that is what I said earlier, just make enough gourds to clean shop then start stocking heavy for p2

[cyan forge]

Ugh... Yeah...

[jolly shore]

like I said, I will keep making extra gourds for now but when I use up some spare bottles for effluent I will switch back to my 2sc 1 heavy 1 xiranite setup

[shadow void]

I just went back to 13.25/m SC, 4.5 Heto Part, 6/m Hvy XIr and used Hikarins low use Xiranite Gourd bp to consume that little extra Xiranite

[cyan forge]

Hm... I'll need to redo my factory again once i switch to heavy xira making...

Aw man

Fk me?

[shadow void]

i'll blow thru the shop with saved up Hvy Xiranite and Hetonite in phase 2

[cobalt mauve]

no

[cobalt mauve]

anyways it shouldnt be that hard

[cyan forge]

Btw how fast r we cleaning the shop if u run a 12/min gourd production?

[shadow void]

like 2 days or less

[cobalt mauve]

each one of those gourds is +10 event currency

[cyan forge]

How many gourd do we need to make?

[cyan forge]

Oh hm not bad

[shadow void]

minimum 5/m

ish

[cyan forge]

I think i can get it b4 my xira run out

[shadow void]

but phase 2 Jade Gourds will be way more worth it

[cyan forge]

Yeah, that pt i was aware

[cyan forge]

Yeah i heard

[shadow void]

no point bothering with Xiranite gourds imo now

[cyan forge]

[cobalt mauve]

ngl I also already cleared out the first triplet of orrylberry

[shadow void]

just make what you can with what little extra xiranite you have

[cyan forge]

I cleaned all the shop except for the 100% price ones

[cobalt mauve]

ngl currently my settup is mainly made for 6/min sc batteries and a bunch of xiranite for the jade gourds

which I really need to fix it so I can get better amounts of sc batteries but im kinda lazy about that

[cyan forge]

I'm gonna have to go back to my old setup soon

Ugh

I'll just make sum more gourd til my xircon stock run out

In 5 hrs

[wispy grove]

i tried computing how many days will it take to clear the phase 1 shop

using 2/min gourd

its like 14days

[upper fiber]

people destroying their sc bat factory?

[wispy grove]

nahhh

they hoard

bad move or maybe not

[upper fiber]

i did as well....

16/min gourd

0 sc bat

[wispy grove]

wanna clear phase 1 within 2 days eh

[upper fiber]

meta transfer steel part to make 6/min hc valley bat

[wispy grove]

slow and steady 2/min without destroying factory

[upper fiber]

depend on what that altruism cert can buy

i just turn off my sc bat, not much change

[small creek]

why does 12/min jade gourd take so much facilities

[upper fiber]

it is 2 packaging, 2 fitting, 2 moulding

[small creek]

12/min brother

[upper fiber]

oh jade one

[solid python]

Good thing there's a bunch of empty space in my main AIC

[upper fiber]

24/min

[small creek]

nice

Though its a lot of unnecessary unloaders

technically you can make 5 lines with 2 unloaders only

1 each for heto and hxira

[upper fiber]

1 depot = 1 splitter = 1 facility, no difference

[jolly shore]

took a shower, thought about it, I think I'll just make enough regular gourds to clear out shop 1 in 13 days and stockpile heavy xiranite for pt 2

[upper fiber]

you might have to use belt bridge which increase the facility count

[small creek]

its not really abt fac count

[scarlet cipher]

Ok, so from my heavy xiranite line, I'm stealing 2 xiranite to make the new event thing... What is the best way to handle that third xiranite line?

[ruby sorrel]

right... do I even have room for jade gourds next week

[upper fiber]

not much space needed if you only 6/min

and we won't make xira gourd anymore i think

[jolly shore]

do you think both shops ask for the same type of altruism fruit?

because if so I'm better off stockpiling heavy

[upper fiber]

yeah, doubt they want add more new currencies

[jolly shore]

fair, guess I'll stockpile

[vale topaz]

if your xircon effluent for heavy xiranite came from purification unit which is from recycling xircon waste from 2 SC line, you can cut down 1 sc line and run heavy in half speed, so you can send 4 xiranite prodcution for 8/m gourd.
2 sc + 1 heavy setup allow you to have 7 forges as xiranite production

[scarlet cipher]

No, I had it set up like this, and just diverted the heavy off the disks when I don't want the disks, and stripped the buildings out and just am using the output xiranite into the three buildings to make the gourds... I'm not sure I have enough room where I built for a half heavy? I definitely didn't have this tied to my SC prod at all...

[torn dagger]

When will the purification node be available?

[upper fiber]

.roadmap

[cinder sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086659785580545/1493970217259368538/cal_en_US.jpg?ex=69e19070&is=69e03ef0&hm=052afddc6528aa38ffde70f70d0dbaf8ec00c26959f667bbbf0eaaa3b85f1da3

[scarlet cipher]

dOh wait... I could strip out the liquid heavy xiranite production I had... That is taking up a lot of space and I don't need it, heh

[upper fiber]

may 14th likely

[vale topaz]

owh, the heavy is tied to hetonite comp placement, yeah, that's tough.
my heavy was tied to sc, so it just a simple fix for me.....

[upper fiber]

btw, are you intentionally not connecting the other xira belt to moulding unit?

[scarlet cipher]

I JUST noticed that the moulding unit is 2 -> 1 production... Derp, guess I don't need to find a home for that other xiranite line

Because the fitting unit got backed up and I was like "Huh... what?" Duh

[vale topaz]

hmm, for your formation.
you can run half heavy with splittering xiranite for xircon effluent and delete 1 incoming xiranite line for heavy xiranite forge.
that should reduce speed into 3/m

leaving you with 45/m unused xiranite output

careful with the sewage tough

[scarlet cipher]

Sounds like too much work, not sure I care to optimize to that level ;P I'll get the event done, then swap back to how I had it before.

[ashen charm]

So... anyone have a two to one pipe device that prioritizes the pipe feed of one input before it draws from another? I have a 1 to 2 version that works after a little priming i found but i need the opposite

[wispy wren]

Not if you have 60kxircon and 60k effluent stocked up

[upper fiber]

60k xircon is not even 1day for 12/min sc bat

[small creek]

alright we're nice and ready for phase 2

[upper fiber]

phase 2 likely overhaul a lot of stuff since we will have 12 forge

[small creek]

we wont

they give us 12 forge after the event lmao

[upper fiber]

sad

can only stable 6/min

[small creek]

You can stock hxira now

[upper fiber]

i had 40k+ ready

[small creek]

I have 0 from making heto comp 24/7

So i have to stockpile now and burn later

[vapid dock]

Absolutely not, 12 sc/min is 4 lines of xiranite. Turning that into gourd is 320 bills/min, assuming 2 thermal banks 9 sc/min is 486 bills/min (i forgot how much sc is like 54 or something.

You cant really do anything with the excess orginium and ferrium to outpace the loss

[upper fiber]

phase 2 likely 6/min gourd, 6/min jade gourd for me, depend on how much worth more jade gourd

[upper fiber]

mine is 16/min gourd = 640/min, while 12/min-2/min sc bat = 540/min

[vapid dock]

Im guessing gourd will be 0/min in phase 2

[marble yarrow]

fok is this

[small creek]

have u calc 13.25 SCW + 1.33 gourd

thats what i plan to do

[upper fiber]

where 0 sc bat

[vapid dock]

12/min-2 sc bat + 8/min gourd = 860/min

[marble yarrow]

no because:

.

[small creek]

its js really bad

[small creek]

oh wow

but i love metatransfer 🥀

[marble yarrow]

(dw im not including meta transfer alternatives here just for simplicity of regular aic players)

[small creek]

fair enough

but will u still make

[marble yarrow]

yeah

[small creek]

tq

my sheet goat

[marble yarrow]

they call me

the gout

[small creek]

oh can u ping me if ever

[lone plover]

I don't think we'll be overcapping on gourds so I'm going 1 SC bat line + 0.5 valley bat line for phase 1, then redesigning everything once phase 2 drops with the extra forges

[small creek]

alright nah thats bad 💀

[subtle finch]

@marble yarrow are you investing in jade too?

[small creek]

ALL IN ON JADE 🗣️

[marble yarrow]

(yeah so i can hoard other items 💀)

[small creek]

Fkn same bruh

The excess bills from jade gourd will let me stockpile scw to the heavens

[subtle finch]

lanturn calculated you cant sell it all in phase 2, mind a peer review?

apparently you need to stop at 52k heavy in phase 1

[small creek]

how about we save bills from p1

[marble yarrow]

yeah im planning to cap bills also pre reset for phase 2

[small creek]

like how we do 3d before updates

[vapid dock]

100% stocks on jade

[small creek]

Wow we somehow just have the same ideas huh

crazy

[pulsar cypress]

[ruby sorrel]

I've been hoarding bills since start of 1.2

[pulsar cypress]

What about heto crunchy rock?

I think i already have around 70k hxira rn in stock.

[ruby sorrel]

mean heto is stable up to what 22.5?

[small creek]

yea

and we only need 6/min for 1 line

[ruby sorrel]

I don't think there's enough hxira to go over that ever

unless someone has an outpost full of hxira stashed already

[small creek]

you can stockpile this week 🤷

stockpile this week then double prod next week

[vapid dock]

Inb4 people forget you also need to hoard hetonite

[small creek]

you dont need to

[ruby sorrel]

idt hxira stocks will last a week at 22.5/m

[upper fiber]

i'll gamble the fruit will be exchanged to bills

[ruby sorrel]

someone math me

[small creek]

idk about 22.5 but im only gonna use 12/m

i dont have enough hxira to do more anw

[small creek]

peak...

[astral forge]

you can still esll even once its been drained apparently

[marble yarrow]

now imma look into this also, never crossed my mind this early

(tho they said every limited item you have will be auto converted)

[small creek]

i want bills for limited item

[marble yarrow]

not sure if @ outpost sell value tho

[astral forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1433472069823365201/1498853299296669726/image.png?ex=69f2ab69&is=69f159e9&hm=4711ed98e578571f2a361ca92e94c97ab5cd61c61cbaf38320a56b26d7a4e778

[vapid dock]

Imagine 1 bill conversion

[small creek]

I will kill hypergryph

[marble yarrow]

yeah i saw that, i was like "why the fuck is the slider moving"

[subtle finch]

apparently, that's sort of a lie too, and if they removed the unlimited t-cred purchase, it's kinda pointless. not sure what they replaced it with

[subtle finch]

@marble yarrow

[small creek]

There actually is free stock bill conversion

[marble yarrow]

AYO??

[small creek]

Oh haruna already said

I mean hikarin

im slow

[marble yarrow]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bhbalflos--k01KQBWAP7KKW4D18JG6Z31S6K4

[small creek]

Stock bill conversion based on max stock bill limit instead of actual outpost income

[vale topaz]

[pulsar cypress]

It mean u can sell em but didn't get the special bill for the rest exceeding limit right?

[small creek]

we're making BUCKETS

[astral forge]

if these wimps got scared and removed unlimited tcreds i'm gonna implode

[ashen charm]

A sacrifice I am willing to make for a while.

[small creek]

So the best course of action is to sell regular items as much as possible

then let the limited time items expire

[torn sedge]

Hey everyone. I just realized that I was making less than the indicated amounts when I was following KyoStinV's BP for both the event and the 1.2.1 Wuling stuff. When I decided to investigate, I immediately saw something weird. Is there a possible explaination for the fluctuating yields that I'm seeing here?

[marble yarrow]

ore limit in depot

[vapid dock]

I dont even know what this means, does this mean we need to empty our pockets a day before event end

[marble yarrow]

68k so your miner auto-throttles

[pulsar cypress]

Depot capped clogging?

[small creek]

yes we do

[torn sedge]

So this is... just clogging?

[marble yarrow]

solution: consume at the exact/same value you yield

[marble yarrow]

yeah youre not using them as fast as they generate

[torn sedge]

So that would mean that there is a possible mistake I made when I was laying down the BP

Fuck

[marble yarrow]

maybe disconnected belts / unaligned

[vale topaz]

show us your xiranite usage and existing stock, because someone did crazier

[pulsar cypress]

Try transfer some of the ores to v4 depot as back up stock.
Like 5k enough, to give free space inside depot.
Then check again the condition.

[subtle finch]

the bottom text made it sounds like it's the bill cap, but the warning shows otherwise, and it's the outpost savings instead

[torn sedge]

My outputs were indeed weird, which prompted me to look into it, but....

[ashen charm]

its at 600 🙁 and its empty i can only make 120 atm and really consdiering transplanting my current heavy forge into the modular xaranite

[small creek]

To maximize free stock bill conversion for limited-time items:

1. save stock bills from phase 1 for phase 2
2. sell regular items as much as possible on phase 2
3. always buy stuff in stock redistribution shop to stay at 0 bills

[vale topaz]

ooof, well, 6/m is enough to end 1st phase within time limit.

[small creek]

is this correct

[ashen charm]

yeah need to rebuild the stock and i turned off all non essential xaranite consumption

[astral forge]

oh wait is that what that fine text means lol

it kinda reads as it auto trades all remaining stuff you haven't traded and even if the outpost bottoms out it only rewards you the cert wihtout any bonuses

yo this event is dogshit

[small creek]

Im gonna cope on the possibility that its just gonna be absolutely free

[ruby sorrel]

why is reading so hard

[small creek]

and we get bills out of nowhere

[ruby sorrel]

probs sus TL again

[astral forge]

someone get on the cn client and bring out a lawyer

[vale topaz]

the usage looks alright if the bp is about turning down 1 sc line and run heavy xiranite in half speed.
the yield, well, your storage is maxed, so the mining rig is clogging themself.
the cuprium should balance it self soon or later.

[ashen charm]

boosted it to 240 but that's it

[torn sedge]

I was going through Kyo's video on stuff, and matching things to what I'm seeing happen

and I noticed that one pipe was not "blue"

aka not flowing water

I was like "No way I didn't connnect the pipe of water" and No, I didn't.

So I was like, ok, what's wrong?

[vapid dock]

Having to scan the two outposts and sell the excess event items per player sounds like a technical overcomplication compared to just turn excess items into bills/certs. What even is this fine print.

[torn sedge]

-pump has no power-

[normal wasp]

do i just need 1 water treatment for each refinery unit making cuprium?

[torn sedge]

istg, if this was what was cooking my output all this time

I'll be pissed

[vale topaz]

in theory, yes, in practice sc line require sewage from those refineries.

[normal wasp]

i just need my thing working for now ill update my factory later

[astral forge]

its probably just an extra join man join player depots to outposts type shit

[vale topaz]

analyzing other people bp can be really confusing since you have 0 idea about their practice / habit / mindset

[torn sedge]

No, I understand where you're coming from but I do find Kyo's vids to be very simple and thorough on things. Not placing down that pylon was totally my fault. But I'm still monitoring things so I'll have to really see

.... yup, it fixed my output

FML

[neon path]

don't quite understand the jade gourd thing, is it better to stop heavy xiranite for 12/min regular gourds or stock up heavy xiranite for phase 2 and do 6/min regular gourds?

[torn sedge]

I was wondering why I wasn't producing enough materials

[small creek]

the latter

[torn sedge]

Depending on output, you'll finishing Phase 1 early. with that, you can switch off, I would imagine

[vale topaz]

6/m gourd is enough within 1st phase time limit.
you can burn your xiranite stock ( if any ) for early boost if you want.

[torn sedge]

I wouldn't be 100% sure on what I'm going about tho, so take it with a grain of salt

[vale topaz]

someone already burned their stock into 1k/m for mass gourd....

[wary perch]

do you guys has a 3 forge blue print?

[small creek]

The patient are rewarded

[jovial breach]

Doesn't really matter which way you do it, as soon as you get 40k gourds you can stop making it and start stocking heavy (and hetonite)

[torn sedge]

Going for an early clear and then switching production lines

or hedging for a more balanced approach

is more of a personal preference, I would imagine

[neon path]

thanks, makes sense

[small creek]

me making 1.3/m gourd:

[vale topaz]

haven't watched many of youtube bp, maybe only 1 ...
but at this channel, personally, i read so many post with tone " hey, i use kyo's bp but why is it not working "
so i'm not sure if it really simple or something is wrong / forgot to be included in the vid.

[dreamy jungle]

#1487561669180788867 message

[torn sedge]

True enough. His accent might not go well with peeps. But, in my opinion, it was understandable enough. My problem was me literally not placing down a pylon to power a pump because of me not paying a lot of attention on the finer details

[jovial breach]

Damn I'll save this for later update

I know there's a 7 forge bp but this looks easier to use

[subtle finch]

you forgot to wait faster and activate melantha's skill

[torn sedge]

I'm not gonna lie, not every CC hits the proper care that should be taken when doing guides like the factory stuff

[torn sedge]

.... Why TF did I understand that reference

[dreamy jungle]

my 7 forge is built with 3 forge

[true parrot]

guys, i've tried figuring this out to the best of my ability on my own, but i'm just really bad at optimizing PAC and subPAC layouts to produce all the things that i need. i want to be able to have some kind of xiranite gear component income, as well as cuprium components, higher tier wuling batteries and yazhen syringes in order to make actual progress with maxing wuling 😭

[torn sedge]

technicaly speaking, you want to be taking in Hetonite stuff too

[true parrot]

see? literally that too, i'm really all over the place and my layouts are garbage

[small creek]

you can try a 1.1 setup

[true parrot]

and i don't know how to go about setting up everything that i need

[small creek]

the only difference between 1.1 and 1.2 is extra cuprium and xiranite

[torn sedge]

ngl, the Liquid stuff and Hetonite tier made me realize the depths of my ignorance

[true parrot]

would i be able to get away with a 1.1 setup blueprint if i haven't maxed out my depot unlocks yet?

[torn sedge]

and reached the limit of my own understanding

[vale topaz]

well, have you covered all mineral node with mining rig ?
up to date till wuling latest update ?

[small creek]

you only need a few depots, but most of them require max space upgrade

[torn sedge]

Depot unlocks only matter if you need more of the depot stuff. Depot limitations can be mitigated with layout and remembering that you can place unloaders on both sides

[tender thistle]

Guys once I buy out phase 1 shop, should I still make goards or just go back to heavy xiranite?

[ruby sorrel]

I've watched those vids, it's usually something that's gone over in the vid that ppl reference but refuse to watch apparently

[torn sedge]

iirc, there is no need to go beyond. You can switch back to getting heavy xiranite and getting the proper stuff

[brazen topaz]

Aside from the event currency, doesn't Xiranite Gourds make more Stock Bill profit over Heavy Xiranite, material-wise?

Unless there's something that I'm missing, both Xiranite Goard and Heavy Xiranite take a total of 15 Xiranite to produce each. Just that the Goard use straight Xiranite for the Parts/Bottle, but Heavy Xiranite has the hassle of having to use pipes (and maybe could squeeze a little more production with the Purification Unit, but that's another pipeage headache)

[jovial breach]

We assume the next phase item is straight up better so no point in keep making normal gourd

[tender thistle]

Yeah was thinking to start the h. Xiranite hoard to maximise phase 2

[subtle finch]

someone was just asking yesterday why they're not producing the right amount, when it literally says at the beginning you need regional development lvl11 first

[jovial breach]

You'll also need to hoard hetonite

[vale topaz]

guess next time someone asked that again, i'll just youtube to see what is going on actually.

[ruby sorrel]

some guy was raging about "how much sc should I be making" when there's literally a table in the vid they refuse to watch

[torn sedge]

there are 2 ways to go about it. It is either go hard early on and just change back once you finish the shop, or hedge the output so you can still get all things at a lower rate

[true parrot]

i only just recently got to wuling and i've been busy with life, haven't had the chance to fully explore. i think i have most of the nodes, but there's a few areas i still need to route power to

[ruby sorrel]

I still think conduits make setting up the bp's stupid though

[subtle finch]

truly a NA can't read moment

[torn sedge]

if you're referencing Kyo's vid, it is lvl 10

[wary perch]

nice, thanks buddy

[jovial breach]

[subtle finch]

i think it was v4

[torn sedge]

lvl 11 and 12 only increase Stock bill

[ruby sorrel]

like the stuff could be easier to set up and stuff, but guy's thorough in the instructions

[subtle finch]

i forgor which

[torn sedge]

Oh, a V4 BP vid. yeah. didn't go for that one, but I can see that

[jovial breach]

I never touched valley since 1.1 update

Only buy elastic goods and hoard them

[torn sedge]

I'm not gonna overly glaze someone, but I can only really speak for myself and I find his Wuling builds, in my opinion, to be very well done

and the mistake I made was 100% my own fault

[true parrot]

ngl, i want to go back to V4 and start up a cryston component line just so i can stockpile for crafting zipline towers

[ruby sorrel]

I still need to figure out if there's a combination of v4 goods that'll let me not have to swap goods every couple days

just go do it, amethyst is free anyways

[torn sedge]

cuz, at the time, I was burnt out cycling through trying it on my own, going crazy, making my manager concerned for me. Giving up, looking up vids, trying a couple and failing, until geting to Kyo's vid

[marble yarrow]

blud is already starting his next project

[torn sedge]

now I have to live with the knowledge that a single unpowered pump absolutely destroyed my output for the longest time lol

[true parrot]

honestly, that's just me with AIC ever since i got to wuling

[jovial breach]

Sewage into test area?

[torn sedge]

the simple liquid stuff for Wuling was still within my reach

[marble yarrow]

yee

[jovial breach]

Damn

[subtle finch]

dw, i glaze kyo too. he's my goto when someone is completely disinteresting with factory, but want the gears or something like that

[ruby sorrel]

how do you still have fac space

[torn sedge]

doing pipework wasn't that hard, just tedious AF

it was when you're gonna be piping multiple liquids and dealing with residue liquids that it got too much for me

then you go into hetonite tier and I gone crazy

[subtle finch]

i thought you ran out of pipe slots already

[ruby sorrel]

nay you should go crazy with xircon by doing stupid shit like this

[marble yarrow]

i dropped the max gourd, so back to freedom

[torn sedge]

The Factory must grow, and when I could, I do try to make it make sense

[ruby sorrel]

maybe I should drop some gourd prod and make more hxira

but I just feel lazy now

I still have no idea how the water works in this layout

[jovial breach]

I wish there's a consistent method for faster traveling other than doing rossi fs dash

[sonic summit]

guys how much raw hetonite should i save again ?

[torn sedge]

I obviously followed Kyo's guide on the Gourd stuff

[ruby sorrel]

srsly someone explain to me how the inert in bottom right and the water from purification aren't backing up

[torn sedge]

and I recognize that I'm going for the "early clear" route

and would go back to the previous BP once I'm done

[sonic summit]

i made pararell version acording to hikarin build

[ruby sorrel]

similar ideas

[red shoal]

hello nerds

[subtle finch]

you gain 22.5 heto/min and only 6heavy/min, so you don't need to save until you need it

[ruby sorrel]

mine has stupid pipe mixing and idk why it works

somehow water pipe from pump has lower prio than water pipe from purification

[sonic summit]

too late i already transfering 40k heto to valley

[ruby sorrel]

and I don't get why that's the case

and for some reason converging inert output into a too full water pipe directly doesn't block the inert from outputting

like it's great it works but I don't get why it works

[sonic summit]

btw should i craft the hetonite to parts or just save raw hetonite?

[red shoal]

i heard smt about stockpiling outpost bills for 2nd week of event? do we even need that

[ruby sorrel]

the water is backed up in every crucible too

[subtle finch]

the rate of water from puri is just too low, that even round robin will get it consumed

[ruby sorrel]

no because that's my 6 eff/min crucible stack

[cunning obsidian]

oof good thing i had zircon stockpiled

[ruby sorrel]

it only consumes 36/min water

[shadow hound]

Water is infinite why are we measuring water usage

[subtle finch]

i dont think crucible can consume more than 30, unless its with yazhen/jincao

[jovial breach]

I dont think so even if you have bills saved up you still need to wait for your production

[ruby sorrel]

it's mixed with full yazhen soln.

[subtle finch]

what im saying before is mine was consuming less than that, and it's still fine backfeeding water

[ruby sorrel]

yeah I don't get the logic there cus roundrobin would make it back up

so it obvs has prio

[shadow hound]

The only thing I can think of is for power efficiency, but then we should just be sending valley 4 batteries over instead of using wuling batteries.

[jovial breach]

I just plug the water from purification straight to a refinery, no need to deal with prio and shit

[shadow hound]

Unless you still need valley 4 stuff

[silent canyon]

I wanna redo my Xiranite blueprint.
Right now I got a 14x28 blueprint that makes 30 Xiranite/min
It has a sandleaf farm and a jincao farm. It overproduces sandleaf, but it seems pretty space efficient.
I'm wondering if I can make a blueprint that has 2 sandleaf farms, 3 jincao farms, and makes 90 Xiranite per minute while still being space efficient?

[small creek]

You can stockpile hxira week1 and double prod (12/min) jade gourd week2

[ruby sorrel]

yeah my purification is making < 30/min

can't just plug into a refiner that'll brick

[silent canyon]

I tried to make one but it's so much bigger than 3 of my original blueprint

[cunning obsidian]

what is the recipe on that

[jovial breach]

Are you not making 12 sc? Should have enough inert for a purification running at 100%

[red shoal]

water from full eff purification is 0.5/s

[subtle finch]

just my guess, but maybe if other pipe is trying to transfer 2/s, it will prioritize the lower one
i'm also still confused how this works

[small creek]

Not ingame yet, youll have to do some searching

i think enkad has it

[vale topaz]

well, just a recommendation since you want parts as well.
1st thing 1st while waiting you finish the map.
setup 2 thermal bank and import hc battery from valley 4, that will be your starting point. ( and get used to daily importing battery from v4, hopefully your v4 battery production is 18/m like most people have )
the number of thermal will increase later on.....

setup self sufficient plant for sandleaf and yanzhen/jincao. ( about 7 each if not minmaxing )
pick a sub or aic to place 7 forges for xiranite production, read the requirement and do a setup.
do that 7 forges 1st, either as tidy template or some wacky saving space, as long as easy to moved around.
and then put 2 curprium refinery feed by water from 1 water pump. stack curpirum part, it is required to construct wuling facility.

since we are having event, you will have to save 3 forge output into event, this leave you with 4.
4 xiranite output left, run xiranite comp in half speed by using 1 xiranite ouput and 2 originium output.
3 xiranite output left, run cuprium comp in half speed by using 1 xiranite ouput and 1 cuprium part output.
2 xiranite output left, before using each into wuling LC battery, stack some xiranite since it is also required to construct wuling facility.

keep stacking stocks and upgrade outpost, once you unlock heavy xiranite and hetonite part to sell, you will rework your base again.

[subtle finch]

.cantread

[cinder sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1475997022615113900/cantread.gif?ex=699f84d8&is=699e3358&hm=f283e9f64e009c1dbd4556362116e277bbaaf6f50e83895e5c641e76003299d2&=&width=1080&height=728

[small creek]

i just have this contraption waiting to be turned on

[ruby sorrel]

yeah but I'm backfeeding into xircon and not feeding outside

[main notch]

I fcked up, tried inserting shit ton of transport belts into different stashes cuz many of the planting units were clogged and i decided to get the extra sandleaf into the depot, without realizing I've put multiple lines from one unit to multiple stashes.

And now my production isn't working properly for this part, how do i fixed this jumbled mess now? I had used kyosintv's blueprint

[vale topaz]

[silent canyon]

This is what my small one looks like. And this is what my attempt at making an "efficient" one looks like

It is skinnier than 3 of the first one, but it's way taller

[ruby sorrel]

I think the math says it's making 24/min

yeah cus 1 xira gives 5/4 so inputs are 4/5

[cunning obsidian]

okay to start the refinery can't share a stash with sandleaf

[ruby sorrel]

so somehow the 24/min + 30/min(?) pipes going into 36/min consumption eats 24/min entirely first before consuming from the 30/min which is now backed up and not like that anymore

maybe pump sourced water has lower prio somehow

[jovial breach]

1 seeder into 1 planter loop is the base setup dont touch it, then from the seeder connect to 1 other planter and that's the planter you'll be using