aic-factory

[sullen plume]

ohh ok then

[fervent lodge]

it will consume its own excess sewage

[haughty moat]

Anyone got a blueprint for liquid heavy xiranite

[vast iron]

The sewage usage for xircon is the same as last patch and there are no new uses for sewage

[rain schooner]

it wont clog or run out? Itll be efficient?

[vast iron]

You shouldnt be running out

[tacit quarry]

battery only need xiranite and sewage, the reason we use making Cuprium is for sewage not cuprium itself

[fervent lodge]

#1495163039178031206 example

this requires 60/m sewage input

[vast iron]

Well, 1 crucible has always been self sustained still need to feed the other one tho

[rain schooner]

Im not talking about battery

Im talking about xircon....

[fervent lodge]

or view it as "both are half-selfunsustainable"

[rain schooner]

I got confused

[haughty moat]

W blueprint btw

[fervent lodge]

battery is what gets made out of xircon soo

[rain schooner]

I thought yall shut off some of your battery facilities to use cuprium with the new crucible

it doesnt need it tho

[tacit quarry]

they only need, water, xiranite, sewage, ferite

[vast iron]

My new favorite word

[rain schooner]

yes I forgot the new crucible creates its own sewage

[pulsar steeple]

yeah but now it requires 4 inert Xircon instead of sewage if you want to run 60 Xircon/min (using the water purification unit)

[lime stag]

Is there a calculator similar to what satisfactory has to help with building plans?

[rain schooner]

bro they need to stop doing this fr tho....if every patch I have to break everything down

[fervent lodge]

try this https://jambochen.github.io/endfield-calc/

[lime stag]

Thank you very much

[pulsar steeple]

can be annoying yes but honestly i'm not complaining

[delicate seal]

so what's the stuff that we care about making in wuling now with the patch? my rough list rn is: hetonite components, LC & SC batteries, and yazhen/jincao A? is there anything i'm missing?

[rain schooner]

I am complaining and so are many others lol

[tacit quarry]

at first I was gonna use excess acid for recycle, but I forgot that we dont have enough Cuprium, so we only make 1.5 excess acid

[fervent lodge]

start building modularity in mind
i stopped intertwining stuff and started running small blocks of individual stuff through depot

makes it easy to adapt later

replacing two huge 5-reactor blocks with this new 4-forge block was satisfying af

[sullen plume]

my issue is more so how many hours are gonna be spent tearing down and rebuilding everything and when we move on to the next region there's not gonna be much use for wuling credits anymore, thats how i feel for valley 4

[tacit quarry]

im thinking about making a block size universal (like 10,20 block), so when it place on the make it can fit perfectly

[fervent lodge]

not possible

at best you're trying to equalize depot width to footprint

that's the "block" here

[lime stag]

Well that can get a bit hard when they add new factory modules that help with space and efficiency

[tacit quarry]

the block only take 9x9

[unreal laurel]

are there better ways to process the originium?

i hate this

its so messy and wasteful.....

[tacit quarry]

do we have any website for simulation of making blueprint? so i dont have to stop my current production

[spice tartan]

For dense carbon powder?

[unreal laurel]

what else

[spice tartan]

sorry origium powder*

[unreal laurel]

if both can give you cancer its close enough

[slate plume]

LEVEL 2 is max ???

[pulsar steeple]

the annoying about cuprium is, if you're not careful enough, once maxed, it can clog xircon easily

[pulsar steeple]

can't expect much for now

[fervent lodge]

https://enkad.enka.network

[slate plume]

ye cant wait for NTE launch

this game is just giving me scraps each update

[pulsar steeple]

we don't even get meta transfer for RDL 12

[tepid wigeon]

I did this but further turned it into a 6 block with purification and forge for heavy xiranite

[fervent lodge]

i'm personally waiting for forza 6 heh

[unreal laurel]

is there no cleaner way to do this?

[tacit quarry]

thanks

[pulsar steeple]

honestly i just do this

[unreal laurel]

also

[haughty moat]

can someone create a bp that makes heavy xiranite bottles plz

[unreal laurel]

WTF DO YOU MEAN I CANT SAVE THE BP

[haughty moat]

im gen so bad at this factory stuff

[tacit quarry]

my current production is now at max capacity, but not optimize spacing yet

[unreal laurel]

wtf is the facility limit

[fervent lodge]

select less

[pulsar steeple]

you can?

[pulsar steeple]

i forgot

[spice tartan]

This is mine, I just hook it up to what requires it and slap the sandleaf somewhere free

[unreal laurel]

nah,just make the limit bigger

[fervent lodge]

makes it harder for people to slap the entire base at once :^)

[rain schooner]

wait....where is the sewage coming from for the new crucible?

[fervent lodge]

cuprium

[rain schooner]

I thought yall said it doesnt use cuprium.....

[fervent lodge]

it doesn't use cuprium
it uses sewage from cuprium

[vast iron]

Limit should be bigger

[pulsar steeple]

they don't but they need the sewage from it

[fervent lodge]

which is a surplus anyway, you get way too much of it this version

[vast iron]

Whats the point if ppl are just gonna make multipart blueprint anyways

[slate plume]

finally i freestyled everything that i got an even split on my AIC

[rain schooner]

but then ill go over the 180 limit no? Im gonna have 6 crucibles running for the heto

[fervent lodge]

tiny bit of friction

[slate plume]

bats 12 and hetonit 3

[tacit quarry]

I want to fit all 7 xiranite production in small out post do you think it possible? (50x50)

[pulsar steeple]

i believe i don't understand what you're tryna say

[vast iron]

Yes

[slate plume]

yes did the same

[fervent lodge]

it had been accomplished indeed

[vast iron]

I did 6 cuz i have plans for the 7th

[pulsar steeple]

if you're running heto then you don't need sewage

[rain schooner]

I thought the new expanded crucibles would not need sewage from cuprium but it does. If I do that, will I not go over the 180 limit if I additionally have 6 crucibles making heto?

[pulsar steeple]

wait, give me a moment

let me double check

[vast iron]

Hetonite doesnt take sewage

It needs cuprium not the sewage

[pulsar steeple]

yeah you don't need sewage to make hetonite

[rain schooner]

I KNOW lol but the new expanded crucible needs cuprium too for the sewage

[vast iron]

Just refine the cuprium, take the sewage then send the cuprium to the hetonite?

[iron stratus]

where else would you get sewage beside cuprium

[vast iron]

Just because you use up the sewage doesnt use up the cuprium

[rain schooner]

I have the crucibles in the new base and I have my xircon in the old aic

[spice tartan]

Do you need sewage for the sc batteries? Nothing from the heto pipeline takes sewage, it creates some even

[pulsar steeple]

beside you get sewage from lots of stuff

[pulsar steeple]

yes

[rain schooner]

ffs I have to move everything around now

[lost yarrow]

since a pipe can move 2 units/s of fluid, can I move 2 types of fluid in a single pipe at 1 unit/s?

[vast iron]

Make xircon in the new subpac area is recommended.

[iron stratus]

you need it for xircon

[rain schooner]

Im actually gonna kms

-_-

[vast iron]

Or just refine cuprium then stash it then output the refined cuprium in the subpac

[pulsar steeple]

you get sewage from Xircon production and hetonite production

[vast iron]

Takes more logistics stuff tho

[iron stratus]

i should've moved my xircon to the new outpost but i kinda just used conduits to take the sewage from hetonite all the way to the main pac

[rain schooner]

Maybe I could do this

[languid latch]

Did anyone got this message when trying to move buildings?

[pulsar steeple]

nah

[tepid wigeon]

I got it doing some rearrangement in cardiac

[vast iron]

You probably selected smt outside the aic area and its on a slope

Aic area is flat after all

[pulsar steeple]

then it wouldn't allow you to bulk move

like red on everything

[vast iron]

You should be able, you just cant move something outside the aic area, this is probably the other way around

[fluid fog]

This is ideal, it also depot the excess product

[languid latch]

I removed all pipes connected to the outside but still get the error

[unreal laurel]

How tf did u get a slope

[fervent lodge]

if some of your pipes start/go outside, this could be a thing

unselect the partial fragments of ones that go out of bounds of the area

[languid latch]

I removed them completely

to be sure

but still got the error message

[fervent lodge]

well, show selection?

[fervent lodge]

most likely these

[languid latch]

🎉

Indeed, thanks!

[golden sapphire]

my battery line is kind of cooked rn

im gonna update it tomorrow im too annoyed

[spice tartan]

You had more than enough sewage for 60/min xircon before patch and nothing really changed after the patch. No new recipes that use sewage and even if you pump it up to 90/min xircon it's still more than enough, bunch of recipes recycle it. Only time it would be an issue is if you go full on heavy xiranite with no cuprium production.

The possibility of running low on sewage out of all things never crossed my mind but I calculated it anyway, here.

[rain schooner]

bro you dont get it. I had facilities in diff places etc. I have to move everything around

[spice tartan]

well no cuprium production would also cripple your xircon too tbh

[fervent lodge]

oh shit right
i have to bring back yazhen

would have come to a factory dead overnight

[tacit quarry]

after I am trying my build smaller, I got enlightenment
"why would I bother rebuild it when production result is the same, and I wont come back to check it anyway"

[vast iron]

this is the reason my personal blueprints arent all that compact anymore

[ruby sorrel]

being easy to modify and/or setup is so much more important than space rn

[tacit quarry]

yeah totally agree

[spice tartan]

oh well you can bottle sewage if you really want

[thorn axle]

I'm gonna lose my mind trying to get a semi decent hetonite component factory going oh my lord

[vast iron]

i made my cuprium recipe blueprint super easy to expand when the time comes. 0 regrets

[vast iron]

its not that bad dw

[thorn axle]

anyone have any blueprints or recommendations for getting a functional hetonite component farm going?

[vast iron]

uhh

[thorn axle]

mine are either way too slow or just make 0 sense 😔

[vast iron]

this is mine, idh a blueprint tho, sorry

the cuprium part is tileable which is why i like this blueprint

[ruby sorrel]

ugh lv2 is 10k/h now I'm not making enough to sell but heto comps are already super slow

[vast iron]

0.1/hour hetonite components

[ruby sorrel]

I don't see where else I'm spending stupid amounts of money on though

[golden sapphire]

this intentional bottleneck is egregious

[vast iron]

at least environment monitering got a bigger buff compared to lvl 2->3

+60k a day

[spice tartan]

damn hetonite really is 8-to-1 cuprium huh...... talk about inflation

[vast iron]

suffer with us

[spice tartan]

and we're getting drip fed mineral nodes?? this is epic

[vast iron]

remember when parts were a 1->1 recipe?

screw that its 5-> 1 now

[spice tartan]

more than 2 nodes? fuck you.
more ferrium nodes? go pound sand

[tame sedge]

devs will give 5 nodes, all single and poor

[vast iron]

not even more originium...

[spice tartan]

Valley was truly a bountiful land... Wuling broke as fuck

[gritty cobalt]

Does anyone know why Hetonite is effectively produced at 22–23 units per minute, given that I’m using all available cuprium ore in production? It feels like the dev provided less of the resource than is actually required.

[vast iron]

yes, devs will give us 5 low-quality cuprium nodes scattered in the middle of nowhere and the nearest water source is exactly 81 meters away

[rain schooner]

what did I do wrong here?

[vast iron]

we will have to see your setup

[rain schooner]

yall said I only need 4

[unreal laurel]

anyone else hates this piece of shit

[vast iron]

the issue seems to do with your purifiers tho

[unreal laurel]

WHY TF DOES IT DO THAT

[uneven aspen]

100% hetonite requires 240/m cuprium.

we have 180/m max yield so 180/240 = 22.5/m heto

[uneven trellis]

so you want a splitter there or....

[spice tartan]

Because 30/min hetonice requires 240 yeah

[vast iron]

btw, how many purifiers are you using, and make sure to clear the acid inside.

[spice tartan]

I was just complaining about it

[vast iron]

wait

no

that rate is normal

[spice tartan]

Buuut you're not running out of hetonite yet, your pipeline is clogged some other way

[vast iron]

god damn it its getting in my head

im going crazy

too much aic

[thorn axle]

Holy hell all this just so I can get some armor for my lightning girl

[gritty cobalt]

Don't pay attention to the extra production lines on the left and the strange placement of the pipes, I was just experimenting 🙂

[thorn axle]

What the fuck hypergryph

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/mushu-arise-mulan-gif-10545483

[vast iron]

btw, theoretical is just
looks at how many recipes are running which recipe
assume theyre running at 100% efficiency
which is impossible for hetonite

22.5 is normal

[tacit quarry]

anyone reach Lv2 yet?

[gritty cobalt]

soooooo, dev just given us not as much as we need?

[wispy grove]

your factory seems unstable

[vast iron]

facilities*

[keen apex]

is this limited to only 96 pipes?

[tame sedge]

it will be in next patch BP, trust

[keen apex]

swill this improve?

[rain schooner]

help? What did I do wrong. Yall said I only need 4?

[gritty cobalt]

SOOO, 22.5 per min. its okay for this patch

[scenic flower]

How are people getting 180/min cuprium? I only have 71/min

[vast iron]

yes

[wispy grove]

4 of what?

[vast iron]

water-insufficient maybe?

[gritty cobalt]

thanks a lot

[rain schooner]

crucibles to make xircon at 60/min

[vast iron]

np

[vast iron]

youre using the expanded crucible like a normal crucible

[wispy grove]

yeah

[vast iron]

you need to multiprocess recipes

the recipes you want should be

[thorn axle]

All of this just for some armor I hate you so much hypergryph

[wispy grove]

i can only see 3 here

[vast iron]

crucible 1 : xiranite + water + sewage -> inert eff + effluent
crucible 2: xiranite + water + effluent + ferrium -> self-sufficient sewage + xircon + inert

[rain schooner]

no I know. I needed 3 to make 1 line of xircon production. i did something wrong

[rain schooner]

this will give me 60 a min? of xircon

[scenic flower]

no maybe cuz some mining spots are still low purity?

[vast iron]

30/min, do it twice

[vast iron]

how many ores do you connect per pump

well even if your area developpment level is low 71 is an odd number

[tacit quarry]

only problem about self-sufficient sewage, is you cant move the machine, if machine move you have to refill sewage water again

[scenic flower]

the one in qinbo stockade I put 1 pump per 3 and all other mining spot is 2 per spot

[vast iron]

the best way to do it is to fill it to ~ halfway

and then disconnect it

[trim star]

just have some bottled liquids

[vast iron]

weird

maybe your storage is full

check how much cuprium you have and how much youre using

[spice tartan]

I see 4 maybe 6 crucibles for cuprium solution, you need 4 per 1 hetonite solution

[tacit quarry]

so I didnt use self-sufficient sewage, it only waste 100 energy and a little bit of space

[scenic flower]

just to make sure theres 4 mining spots right?

[spice tartan]

and you have 2 purifiers

[vast iron]

in the new area, yeah

stockade has 120, i think its 8 mining spots(?)

[wispy grove]

remove the bridge.and do it slower

[spice tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/poor-mickey-mouse-hungry-stingy-bread-gif-9574980

[tacit quarry]

so close

anyone LV2 yet?

[fervent lodge]

when you move machines they keep their buffers

[tame sedge]

just got 2

[fervent lodge]

only pipes poof their contents

[vast iron]

the problem with self sustain is the setup
if you leave it connected it WILL clog

[spice tartan]

cool share the trades please? thx

[tacit quarry]

so we cant lvl 3 in the patch, and how is the sellable item?

[fervent lodge]

wait what

[tame sedge]

same?

[fervent lodge]

is that for hetonite stuff?

or xircon loop

[vast iron]

i mean if you leave the self sustained xircon connected to sewage

yeah

[fervent lodge]

uhhhhhh

but why would you have it connected to sewage

[spice tartan]

literally just +sc battery

[fervent lodge]

if it's self sustained

[vast iron]

idk i remember letting it have some sewage to build a buffer

wasnt paying attention and it filled to full

[tacit quarry]

hmmm, so we make Hetorite part for skyking and SC battery for Cardiac.

[tame sedge]

my expanded cruicibles do not self-sustain

[fervent lodge]

but it creates sewage

on its own

[wispy grove]

people wants to do xircon with just one expanded crucible

[vast iron]

i was scared it would have a bit of stutter with 0 sewage buffer

[tacit quarry]

I guess it's the same a lvl 2 sky king

[vast iron]

ig thats not an issue

having a bit of sewage just guarantees the recipe is always running

[storm garnet]

hello, i'm not a bot, pls don't time me out for posting bad belt balancer pictures

[wispy grove]

bro thats not how it works you need 2 expanded to make a solid xircon, pls dont make every crucible separate

[fervent lodge]

just fully drained it

[fervent lodge]

it's chilling

[vast iron]

huh

well whats done is done

[vast iron]

go for it

[tacit quarry]

that's a lot of jump
3300 -> 10080

[storm garnet]

but first, a quick check on my energy with everything on

[fervent lodge]

i assume yall stopped making hc valley for power

[tacit quarry]

you should have enough if you didnt built turrent in every area

[fervent lodge]

because it blows past 4.5k now

[storm garnet]

this is the version that ignores belt speed

[vast iron]

what are you even trying to make

[vast iron]

oh im still under 4.5k

no clue how

'

[storm garnet]

my turrets use batteries, i don't even want to think what they would use lol

[storm garnet]

1 to 5 balancer

[wispy grove]

WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP MAKING A SOLID XIRCON WITH JUST ONE EXPANDED? PLEASE HUMBLE YOURSELF YALL. USE 2 EXPANDED TO MAKE 1 XIRCON

[storm garnet]

that's a bp i made months ago

[tame sedge]

whats your component output?

[trim star]

this might cause issues if the parity is off

[tacit quarry]

just use 2 SC battery, there is no point saving extra battery, since Outpost wont keep up stockbill with our production anyway

[spice tartan]

That's exactly what I was going to try and I still will, can't see how it wouldn't work and it would never blow up in my face

[storm garnet]

this is the version with accounting belt speed

[vast iron]

not making, but im making cupr + heavy xira so making cupr probably takes like 20 power

[storm garnet]

the first version is ok if you don't reach 30/min

[vapid granite]

Ehhhehhe more learning... i swear if you take a break from endfield you just come back to a wall of info

[tame sedge]

save power?

[trim star]

ill just assume you figured out the logic there with the belts

[spice tartan]

The factory must shrink

in size

[storm garnet]

it's basically the same balancer made twice and fused

[wispy grove]

guys if you do that you get unprocessed sewage every 4 secs

[storm garnet]

only fused in the parts that don't make a bottleneck ofc

[tame sedge]

im making some het coponents, but im still under 4.5k

[fervent lodge]

what a weird base

[lusty violet]

i have 4 expanded each making 15/min xircon

[spice tartan]

hey no spoiling, I will see it for myself

[wispy grove]

[spice tartan]

I can fix it

[tacit quarry]

this patch new production is pretty hard to build

[fervent lodge]

it's pretty simple, but getting there is hard

[spice tartan]

Hardest part for me is trying to figure out the production rations and I still haven't

[storm garnet]

i use 4 expanded crucibles for xircon, all of them making 15/min

[fervent lodge]

new reactors are doing too much at once so you have to do napkin math and look where it oscillates towards constantly

[storm garnet]

the other option is 2 making 30/min and another 2 only making xircon effluent

it's almost the same

[spice tartan]

I guess I keep the sc batteries and maybe take some cuprium from the syringes and do whatever I can with the fuckall ferrium we have

[rain schooner]

what do I do with the inert eff? Put it to a purifier?

[wispy grove]

it is not the same

[vast iron]

yes and then feed it to heavy xiranite

[tame sedge]

i have to feed and drain sewage to stablize running 4

[rain schooner]

ah.....

[storm garnet]

the difference is that you need to split the sewage input in 2

for the 4 xircon

[vast iron]

unrelated but 1/10 splitters dont have to be loop based anymore

[lusty violet]

i like the piping better for 4x xircon

[storm garnet]

1 refinery feeding 2 crucibles

[uneven aspen]

shouldnt need to drain sewage, just don't send extra to teh xircon crucibles

and have the xirocn crucible be more than 0 sewage and below 49

should sustian itself

[vast iron]

you can probably make 1/5 with constant gaps via converger

[uneven aspen]

the extra crucible making xireffu you can overload it's sewage no issue just need to make sure the sewage source(cuprium refiners are still running)

[iron spoke]

anyone bottling heavy xirafluid?

[tame sedge]

oh you're right I dont have to. I did it because if i break my xircon line, and sewage backs up, it wont auto drain

[tough berry]

dont kmow if other did this yet for the battery farm 4 big alchey 3 cleaner 1 purification 1 lake water dropping for less power usage on battery farming (can be linked to heavy xianite if you farming than cleaner)

[vast iron]

beltspeed replicator can be used to duplicate them to save space

[ruby sorrel]

supplying forge like that looks so sus

[fervent lodge]

why

it's chilling

[vast iron]

btw yall all using PWM right

[sullen plume]

how does the transporting resources between valley 4 and wuling work? Can i just ship ferrium over from valley 4 to wuling to balance out my greed for xircon?

[vast iron]

not just me minmaxxing

right?

[storm garnet]

pwm in 2026 lol

just...

[tame sedge]

oh neat idea. actually using the purification water

[fervent lodge]

i just run full sc wuling and hc valley lmao

[tough berry]

did pwm before update now cant since the power while doing heavy xianite needed 3.5 lel

[vast iron]

ah shit im minmaxxing

[fervent lodge]

full setup btw #1495163039178031206

[vast iron]

what have i become...

[wispy grove]

show your crucibles

[fervent lodge]

i mean this is good enough

[storm garnet]

it's a bit messy, or do you mean inside them?

[vast iron]

my pwm is getting me down to 4%

this

[tough berry]

dang thats massive pwm

[wispy grove]

oh look you did the same loop

[tough berry]

i mostly made mine just small splitter converge lel

[ruby sorrel]

purification doesn't actually save a water pump right?

[wispy grove]

inisde

[fervent lodge]

it saves half a pump

[tough berry]

i does

it

[fervent lodge]

that overall setup requires 90/m

[ruby sorrel]

yeah but we have even number of recipes everywhere with water rn?

[vast iron]

one of my recent designs
rate-configurable

[ruby sorrel]

so saving half a pump doesn't do anything

[fervent lodge]

idk, i fed the other half to jincao

[storm garnet]

i drained them of sewage a bit cause i didn't like that they were at 50, just in case something happened offline

[wispy grove]

mine is 4.51k cause im making syringe🤣

[vast iron]

pwm at 1 every 5 years

lmao

[fervent lodge]

honestly i'm fine with wasting power without pwm

[tough berry]

this one use purification water lel

[fervent lodge]

because that means i don't see that stupid message every 5 minutes

[vast iron]

i wouldnt notice, lol

[fervent lodge]

what's your loop

btw is it just me
they killed grass in the AIC this version

[storm garnet]

i'm using purified water for food lol

[tough berry]

nice clean one miko

[fervent lodge]

looks about right

[ruby sorrel]

hmm I'm only making 740 bills/min where do I get the other 30 from

rebalance everything smh

[fervent lodge]

btw i fixed the irregularities, planner now solves things like these correctly

i had to bash my head at it in game for quite a while

then i exported it and it just worked lmfao

[wispy grove]

W8

youre using 3 pipes in one water conduit

[iron spoke]

do you have a new link for your final setup. its not showing up in featured on your site

[wispy grove]

youll ran out of water

[fervent lodge]

conduit is 120/m

i feed 90/m to that one

[wispy grove]

oh

[vast iron]

can it run all the "features" i found

[fervent lodge]

#1495163039178031206

[fervent lodge]

i forgot about that shit

anyone volunteering for curation of blueprints?

[vast iron]

wym?

[wispy grove]

where's the other 30/m go?

[wispy grove]

the what?

[fervent lodge]

like keep this garbage up to date

[trim star]

you get some water back

[fervent lodge]

i fed it to jincao

[wispy grove]

[trim star]

yeah just send it wherever

[vast iron]

the problem is that every recipe is on 1 pump anyways no?

[tough berry]

i shpuld check here next time XD so i can compress my messy base lel

[vast iron]

the 30/min probably cant reduce pump count

[rain schooner]

Hey....there should be two inert eff lines going to the purifier?

[vast iron]

x2

[fervent lodge]

a recipe requires half a pump no

[rain schooner]

1 from the 1st crucible and 1 from the 2nd?

[vast iron]

well final product wise, those recipes usually come in pairs

like xiranite is half from planters + half from forge

[fervent lodge]

[vast iron]

xircon is half from 2 different reactors

smt smt

[gilded axle]

I don’t think so

[vast iron]

cuprium also comes in pairs

[storm garnet]

now that my factory is done, i remembered i need to eat

[vast iron]

and we have 6 full eff- cuprium

[vast iron]

bless me with a counterexample

unless you talking about syringes or smt cuz we don make those no more

[trim star]

im gonna do the 200s nefarith rq

death

[vast iron]

nefarith recrisis trim is 200s?

dang

im cooked

[trim star]

yeah

[vast iron]

i wont bother

[spice tartan]

that pissed me off so here you go
||I forgot fluid control pipe existed, sewage needs some fine tuning but it will work!!!!!!!||

[trim star]

i can get it extremely easily if i just dont mess up phase 2

[vast iron]

going back to my factories

3:

[spice tartan]

It looks like you're also using 1 crucible here so idk what the deal is smh

[wispy grove]

Good luck

[vast iron]

isnt it theoretically impossible

unless you mean 15/min

in which case

why???

[wispy grove]

Maybe its possible. My brain is turned off rn. Ill turn it on maybe 6 hrs later

[storm garnet]

it works fine if you get half a pipe in from a refinery, just split a sewage pipe from a refinery in 2 and feed 2 crucibles with it

[wispy grove]

Hes having fun so let him experiment

[fervent lodge]

there's also this

[storm garnet]

no need to loop back the sewage inside, it stays inside

[vast iron]

btw, care to enlighten me what you needed 1/5 split for?

curious

[fervent lodge]

but it requires sushi pipe

[gentle sentinel]

Huh

[spice tartan]

I wasn't sure if pipe splitting would work the same way as conveyors but I'm testing

[vast iron]

it was all a lie

belt bridge is a lie made up by endfield

[storm garnet]

this time was to feed my second purification unit making effluent for my second forge making heavy xiranite

[spice tartan]

That is true, I did not think about splitting the input and decided to try and balance the output

[storm garnet]

it would make 1.25 instead of 1 if i didn't balance it, and fill the pipes

[storm garnet]

it will actually clog weirdly if you try to output the sewage and loop it back

[spice tartan]

if you're asking about my ss, that does not work lmao, I was testing the ratios and that one does clog

[storm garnet]

just do everything before the input, aka just split in 2

[spice tartan]

oh the pipe control port does NOT work the way I thought it did huh, welp

[uneven aspen]

i think im done for now

[spice tartan]

yeah time to split the inputs

[vast iron]

ahh so you wanted it to input 4/5 rate to account for purifying the inert?

[storm garnet]

yep

[trim star]

random syringe c spike

[vast iron]

makes sense

[uneven aspen]

11/min ferrium syringe C graph

[gray oar]

can i click on a depot that is under a pipe?

[vast iron]

tho you couldve probably made it a different material at 1/5 rate then use priority converger to slow down the xiranite rate

[wispy grove]

Thats 0.1/min

[vast iron]

then filter out the filler material with item identifier

[storm garnet]

i prefer to just put in a balancer and call a day

[vast iron]

[wispy grove]

Thats stupid

[storm garnet]

it ended up like this after i changed it a bit to make it 4/5

[vast iron]

they just gotta give me the fluid equivalent of protocol stash

[storm garnet]

that other sewage coming from the right is for another thing, an emergency way to drain in by just connecting it

[vast iron]

so much potential...

[storm garnet]

manifold is kinda there

2 in 2 out, and with tank

[vast iron]

manifold is weird

[storm garnet]

it has tank, right?

[spice tartan]

Trying to click things under a pipe is a pain in the ass but a depot should be big enough no? For conveyors and such, I just stash a single part of the pipe

[vast iron]

normal conduit has a 500 capacity too ye

[wispy grove]

I still kinda want to do what u said. Make 15/min xircon

But

[vast iron]

its true that most of my stash designs dont actually use all 3 outputs

usually 2 is enough for most things

[wispy grove]

My brain is just turned off rn. Cause i have something to do

[uneven aspen]

hmm yeah that's strange, first image was the 30 min aic report

[wispy grove]

But good luck if it can be functionable

[uneven aspen]

here's 10 min looking more normal

both still using 90/m ferrium no idea why it's like that 💀

[vast iron]

interesting hetonite rate

[wispy grove]

Im using 15/min heto rn cause im making syringe

But ill try to remove it later

[pulsar steeple]

i'm so tired , haven't gotten to the acid part yet

[wispy grove]

And make 22.5 heto

[vast iron]

dang

[wispy grove]

Bro whats the timer for?

[vast iron]

probably playtime

[pulsar steeple]

rebuilding the AIC and figuring how shit works

[vast iron]

8h endfield marathon

[uneven aspen]

was considering that but my math says 1.5 syringe A is doable and still enough to buyout

[pulsar steeple]

not the total playtime

[vast iron]

i managed to knock everything out in like

2 hours maybe

ecsperience

[pulsar steeple]

the xiranite part took me less than an hour, but the crucible part always gets me

[wispy grove]

Maybe your belt is either clogged or your heto eats too much ferrium

[pulsar steeple]

just that part of me who wants the most efficiency that took me 8 hours

[storm garnet]

does anyone even need this?

[vast iron]

but theres so much fluffy jincao in the new area

[trim star]

jfc i annihilated the 200s barrier lmao

i did like a 2:20

[vast iron]

just go to like 2 diff spots and youd be set for a while

[vast iron]

feels like overkill

no one is using 25 depot segments lol

[wispy grove]

Use 2 crucibles to make xircon. Using 1 crucible:1 xircon is kinda meh rn. I havent made a lay out for that

[storm garnet]

i even used less segments for this patch

[vast iron]

my main AIC has like

[storm garnet]

i tried the zigzag method, but i shouldn't have tbh, useless and annoying

[vast iron]

4 depot segments

all my shit are in subpac

and 1 is entirely forges so 0 there

[keen river]

huh, there is no tower defense for new outpost 😕

[vast iron]

but having 2 depot starter pieces in the other outpost is fun

[storm garnet]

i had to add 6 segments to make food lol

all 4 foods though

[vast iron]

they got scared by our mortars

intimidation factor

[storm garnet]

so messy lol

[tough berry]

the sewer drainage in preview vid not out yet right?

[vast iron]

holy thats more insane than i imagined

[vast iron]

the recycling station? no

may 14

[pulsar steeple]

if it works why bother

[trim star]

you clearly need more snaking

[storm garnet]

but i have a big empty hole in the middle now

[trim star]

keep going

[storm garnet]

less big now cause of all that food sadly

[tough berry]

dang i have to suffer adding originium for 1month in my weekly manual transfer

[vast iron]

this base can be considered a visual hazard to people who make organized factories

[storm garnet]

some are not even inside lol

[trim narwhal]

Sorry, any idea why my Xircon production got clogged overnight?
There was too much sewage, but my calculations shows that all is fine.

Outputs:

• 2x Cuprium - 2 sewage/2s
• 2x Reactor Crucible (Xircon) - 2 sewage/2s

Inputs:

• 4x Expanded Crucible (Xircon + Water + sewage -> Effluents) - 4 sewage/2s

[calm goblet]

2.667/min Hetonite Components.

What hath God wrought.

[trim star]

yeah depot unloaders only function if their output is inside the aic area

honestly a shame cause you can throw them really far outside

it would be really funny but obv you cant put a belt on them so

[vast iron]

1 treatment cant treat 4 crucibles

u need 1 each

[pulsar steeple]

those 2 output are not even usable

[trim narwhal]

Ah, thanks!
That was just a placeholder to tide me overnight.

[trim star]

if you try hard enough you can perform zigzag

i love space waste

i should really get started on remaking my base

[vast iron]

passthrough heaven is my prefered setup

[trim star]

yeah it's much more efficient to just

feed a reactor

and then let it output the cuprium to the thing behind it

[deft orbit]

it's impossible for an extended crucible to make the same formula twice, right?

[trim star]

yes

[vast iron]

yeah no sadly

[trim star]

you can only have one process happening for one formula

[deft orbit]

stupides idea in history

[trim star]

(cause then like what's stopping every other machine from making the same formula 50 times)

[vast iron]

i feel like extended only exists to save space

[trim star]

expanded crucibles are still absurdly useful cause you get to use byproduct as a reactant in their own storage

[trim star]

obv

[vast iron]

only works for like 1 recipe

[deft orbit]

well it's the extended crucible, it takes 100 energy to run it, might as well do the job that 2 crucibles do if they inteded to be a machine that can do double the process

and it has the room for it

[vast iron]

if reactor crucible had a recipe that was a loop of 2 it wouldve worked too

[trim star]

technically true but if you loop two together then it basically works for all 3 that generate useful things

[vast iron]

its not something exclusive to extended

its the slots

[trim star]

yeah but then you're doing 4x the work

not 2x

[vast iron]

the slots is the enabler

[trim star]

yeah

[vast iron]

yeah it can do job of 2, by doing 2 different recipes in a chain thats how

[trim star]

if you run two expanded crucibles through each other you're basically running 4 crucibles at the same time which is totally fine

[vast iron]

smtimes 3

[trim star]

that's how it's meant to be

[deft orbit]

so you just gave up on the extended crucible for the hetonite, no?

[trim star]

but the fact is it makes a lot of stuff more available like purifying

[calm goblet]

I need to let this run this way for 3 days to get enough Hetonite Components to fully artifice a Hetonite set.

[trim star]

one process per machine

physically doesnt work

with expanded

[spice tartan]

Right so the main issue with 1 extended crucible for xircon is that you need 2 effluent for 1 xircon which 1 crucible can't keep up with, NOT the sewage rate. I don't know how I overlooked that but now I think I put another crucible........

[vast iron]

it was simpler
combining it only saves space, not any power thus it is worthless to me

[trim star]

no rather you

[trim narwhal]

what is the best way to dump water?
Just trying to throw away the clean water from water purification unit. Lazy to route it back to the water input loop

[trim star]

you need to use 6 expanded crucibles

[vast iron]

unlike xircon where it actually saves 50 power

[trim star]

it's not possible to save on cuprium soln

xd

you need one machine per and there's no getting around it

[vast iron]

cant even hybrid with another recipe cuz precipitation acid is stupid

[trim star]

well

no not really

[vast iron]

1.3 extended extended crucible trust
12 slots 4 recipes 4 water inputs

[trim star]

you can have the last machine in the chain do two things at the same time

it just kinda sucks so dont try it

[vast iron]

6 by 6

[ruby sorrel]

need expandeder crucibles now

[trim star]

not enough outputs

[vast iron]

source: trust me

[storm garnet]

you can feed effluent from another crucible or just make xircon at half speed

[trim star]

dude 2 pipes is still hilariously bad

ive said this so many times

[vast iron]

yes

[trim star]

like two inputs two outputs good one man

[vast iron]

at least give us 3

[spice tartan]

I will NOT accept half speed, putting on another crucible as we speak

[trim star]

k

[storm garnet]

it's the same amount of crucibles anyways

[trim star]

it's about time i remake my base

[ruby sorrel]

they should just have in/outputs on every tile of the perimeter

[vast iron]

expandedest crucible.

when

[trim star]

anyone wanna run me through the theory for xircon

[storm garnet]

4 extended crucibles make 60 xircon, no matter how you arrange them

[vast iron]

throw everything in the xircon recipe into the crucible

[spice tartan]

Recipe ratios always get me man, I think I got it but then find out that the recipe for shitcakes takes 2 shits per 1 cake instead of 1 of each and I have to redo the whole thing

[vast iron]

pray

[vast iron]

hahaha

[trim star]

ok i get that part

[storm garnet]

it would be funny to make 1 crucible do 30 and then make another 2 do 15 lol

[trim star]

but

the purification

also

if i send acid to the main pac how do i get rid of overflow

smile

[vast iron]

purifier broke our dreams

[vast iron]

you dont

[storm garnet]

everything xircon i do it in main, everything acid i do it in the new aic

[trim star]

alright so i gotta abuse pipe logic huh

[vast iron]

4->1 ratio 💔

[trim star]

i was thinking it over in my head yesterday

[ruby sorrel]

oh lv2 takes sc batts, someone help I think I broke my spreadsheet

[trim star]

i get one unit of acid per hetonite soln so it's basically impossible to get it out

[fervent lodge]

man this is kinda neat

[trim star]

and if i feed it back the acid will pool to max eventually

[vast iron]

just converger it, it should be less than half of the flowrate of the input pipe since its 4->1 so it should converge perfectly while always clogging the acid pump and not the purifier

[languid latch]

What do you use for energy in 1.2? In 1.1 I used to burn 1 Wuling SC + 1 Valley HC that i build with the regional transfer on dense originium powder.

For now I consume 2 Wuling SC but was hoping something better is possible

[trim star]

this is what i was thinking but you could also just

[ruby sorrel]

hmm so I think I can just stop making medAs entirely? since both outposts take sc batts now

[trim star]

abuse the fact machines always prefer taking from a belt/pipe instead of a machine

[storm garnet]

ok, i'll close the game so i can go make something to eat, or i won't ever go

[vast iron]

basically its safe to converge the output of purifier with the input acid

[calm goblet]

Hetonite Parts are also more Stock Bills per Cuprium than A meds.

[trim star]

what will happen to my soda tanks now

[storm garnet]

shit, i should have checked dijiang for new supports. whatever, i'll check later

[vast iron]

how do you make a machine take input from a machine

teach me your ways

[ruby sorrel]

does this mean I can just drop medCs as well

[trim star]

instead of using an one unit long pipe

replace it with any of the following

splitter

converger

bridge

[ruby sorrel]

it's so annoying making medC at like 20% efficiency

[trim star]

control

all of these force items to be dispensed on a machine tick vs whenever it is available

[vast iron]

this is some priority converger tech i DID not know

interesting

[trim star]

it's hardly ever useful because

lol

[fervent lodge]

it is useful

[trim star]

you tend to overfill stuff very hard

[fervent lodge]

for sushi

[ruby sorrel]

the thing is heto parts will probably balloon my power consumption like mad

[vast iron]

oh you underestimate me

[fervent lodge]

just make sure none of those items are clogged

[spice tartan]

thats cool but yeah how useful is it if things are flowing smoothly lol

[fervent lodge]

or the converger stops convering

[uneven aspen]

1 sc and lc wuling and 1 hc valley

[vast iron]

im about to do something insane

[trim star]

it's more often that it breaks what you're trying to do

[lean zenith]

anyone know why does it do tthis?

[fervent lodge]

clogged downstream

tried 22, went down to 20

[trim star]

this is super old

[vast iron]

thats converger tech

[trim star]

yeah

[vast iron]

different from facilities but ok

[trim star]

you can force the same with pipes if the pipes are near max throughput

[vast iron]

i knew this one

[trim star]

ie you physically cant fill the converger anymore

then it will always take from the pipe

[vast iron]

im about to make 1 forge heavy xircon

[uneven aspen]

phantom yield

[vast iron]

i know its possible but i just

cant

[trim star]

lol

[vast iron]

the liquid mechanics is killing me

i cant

[trim star]

that's more of a fluid thing

[lean zenith]

I don't understand how tho??

[trim star]

a lot of stuff that is available via converger overfilling

simply just dont work with pipes

because they have 4x the capacity

[fervent lodge]

is a pump feeding the left ones

[vast iron]

they need to add some way to empty a facility

[trim star]

then you run into the normal issue of being unable to put two of the same fluid in the same machine obv and things just dont work out great

[vast iron]

like every facility should be able to passthrough like reactors ngk

[trim star]

k it's time to start my conduit chain to the main pac

[vast iron]

or smt

[fervent lodge]

click on the middle forge, you'll see that carbon is red, while water is low
then click on its input pipe and see that it's at 20 water

[tawny shadow]

is 7.5/min ferrium worth to use for syringe?

[fervent lodge]

while it should be at 30

[lean zenith]

oh

[trim star]

my idiot

[fervent lodge]

this clues you in that pump can supply only 60

[hoary crag]

nice

[vast iron]

power consuption probably not worth ngl

or minimal

just dont bother

[lean zenith]

oh yea

[hoary crag]

needs more stashes

[lean zenith]

im dumb

[trim star]

oh my god i placed a pylon and it pushed me into the acid and i died

[tawny shadow]

ikr
not to mention the pain of adding 1 reactor (and more pipes), 1 filling and 1 packaging lol

[trim star]

wonderful

[hoary crag]

you don't have enough pumps

[vast iron]

hey you can now use pools as liquid transfer just dump in and pull out further along

[lean zenith]

yea i got it

[tawny shadow]

i'll just dust it for future xircon production i guess

[lean zenith]

i miscalced water

[vast iron]

us ❤️ water

[tawny shadow]

also we still need 3 acid pumps for 4.5 heto parts right?

[hoary crag]

as a rule of thumb, it's one pump for two facilities

[vast iron]

yes

i tried 2 it broke

never again

[trim star]

yeah

this is true

[tawny shadow]

sigh..
it was just like 0.25 less acid 😂

[calm goblet]

I'm not missing anything, right? 4.5/min is actually the cap for Hetonite Parts?

[hoary crag]

you CAN use have a pipe feed 4 faclities, but you'd need to have said pipe to be a merge of two pumps

[hoary crag]

yup

[vast iron]

yes, we are all in pain like you

[hoary crag]

6/min needs 240 copium

[vast iron]

[calm goblet]

Which means 2.667/min is the cap for Hetonite Components?

[hoary crag]

idk

[trim star]

conduits dont take power yeah

[hoary crag]

haven't worked on components yet

[vast iron]

2.25 no? since 2>1

[trim star]

or do i have to line this up

[slate plume]

if anybody needs full blueprints for wuling lmk

[deft orbit]

doesn't the acid clog? how many extractors arae you using?

[uneven aspen]

not even close 😔

[slate plume]

yes.

[calm goblet]

I did 12/4.5

[hoary crag]

how'd you even like get that high

[vast iron]

acid is less than 1/2 of the pump production and since inputs alternate the pumps clog, not the purifiers

[slate plume]

? its easy to reach

[hoary crag]

mine's pretty much complete other than the last med C line and my usage is around like 4.5k

[slate plume]

2 bats is nothing tho

[vast iron]

im pwming and using 1.9 batteries

[calm goblet]

I'm only using 5,360 Power... and I think I'm done building.

[turbid bough]

I am done at 4725

[vast iron]

im done at 4400

lol

[calm goblet]

At least until I've spent like...4-5 days stockpiling Hetonite Components. Then I'll need to reconfigure.

[uneven aspen]

probably gonna be higher

[trim star]

this pipeline is too steep thing is so annoying

[uneven aspen]

gonna turn back on my farm and add zipline towers and towers to the new area . . .

[turbid bough]

my ziplines are looking at you and saying "Am I a joke to you?"

[vast iron]

why u dragging pipes

conduits exist

[vast iron]

i have like 35 ziplines in wuling

[calm goblet]

I think giving us pumps with built-in conduits would've been better than conduit manifolds.

[vast iron]

none in other areas tho

plants are overrated

[trim star]

i need to drag pipes

to the conduits

[tawny shadow]

I don't think I can go lower than this
all resources used except 7.5 ferrium and 30 water /min

is that a good number? or can it still go lower?
I don't want to take down farm / ziplines

[vast iron]

about same as mine

very optimal id say

[tawny shadow]

oo nice

I use the last xir for LC instead of SC

[trim star]

only way i could get it to work

cool

[vast iron]

[tawny shadow]

I feel like I would waste a lot of effluents if I make the 5th reactor

[vast iron]

cheater

[tawny shadow]

[trim star]

time to start this very long walk

[vast iron]

4 pumps would be overkill, no?

[tawny shadow]

well idk why I always fail to pwm with SC
the number seems off sometimes

so I had to make some LC

[vast iron]

try my new PWM design
#1494362412126699651

this one is way more intuitive

[crystal solstice]

I have water as purification unit output and I want to use it for planting unit. But when planting unit is idle, cause clogged so use a splitter to conduit inlet then outlet to a water supply. My question is how the game will prioritize for Planting unit first?

[vast iron]

the way you configure it at least

time between each battery = length of belt times 2

literally

[tawny shadow]

maybe later when I understand the logic
using binary is cool

[mortal hemlock]

can we do the hedonite at max capacity?

[vast iron]

basically, the long belt
the time between each output on the output side is 2x the length of that specific belt
(in this case, ~80s for me, then i 1/2 split it )

dont question how it works

[tawny shadow]

yes this is the problem

binary is easier to understand

[vast iron]

ig there is alot of shenanigans
those are just setup for the "bug" that this timer relies on
as long as you set them up in the same way as i posted they dont matter

[tawny shadow]

that's why I've been holding off on trying that bending belt split

[tawny shadow]

the word "bug" itself is not very convincing ngl

[vast iron]

lol

[rigid breach]

We should have a spare Forge after setting up the Xircon and Heavy Xiranite, right? I want to make sure that I'm relatively efficient with the xiranite.

[vast iron]

the post i linked shows which part of the setup are necessary and which part is configuration

[tawny shadow]

is it the one in #1461542035617091681 ?

I think I saw that split already

[vast iron]

basically just copy the necessary part and the long belt is basically a slider

[void owl]

How can i compress the right side?

[vast iron]

i linked the post

[vast iron]

yee

[tawny shadow]

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1494362412126699651

this one right?

yea I saw it already in 1.1

[vast iron]

i posted it like this week wymm

[indigo sparrow]

how do i create liquid heavy xiranite

[fallow wave]

theres only 2 cuprium site on marker stone right?

[vast iron]

heavy xiranite + acid

[quartz pagoda]

do you have 15 towers on in every essence farming spot?

[vast iron]

yes

[tawny shadow]

ugh.. 16 april was before maintenance

[slate plume]

YE

[fallow wave]

alr thanks

[tawny shadow]

I swear I saw it before mt

[indigo sparrow]

i mean, i m using for components...i guess

[vast iron]

you should have some leftover since you have more heavy xiranite than hetonite parts

[trim narwhal]

Is there a way to prioritize which pipes are drained first?
Example: I have sewage from Xircon production + Cuprium production.
I want to prioritize draining Xircon sewage (to prevent everything from backing up)

[quartz pagoda]

your components need liquid heavy xiranite?
also, dont you have leftover heavy xiranite?

[indigo sparrow]

Is there a code for a build for liquid heavy xiranite?

i m kinda dumb when it comes to factory

[trim star]

just fill a reactor crucible with acid

[vast iron]

uhm i dont have one, check #1461542035617091681 ig

[deft orbit]

this should be future-proof enough, no?

[trim star]

and then throw heavy xiranite in it when you feel like it

xd

[quartz pagoda]

just make another treatment facility?

[vast iron]

yep. thats basically my plan too

[quartz pagoda]

we all are

[iron spoke]

is heavy xirafluid better at clearing blight?

[vast iron]

yes

[deft orbit]

3 acid pumpers? or 4?

[iron spoke]

like bigger area? or faster? or uses less?

[vast iron]

3 should be sufficient

[tawny shadow]

so with the new battle towers, what's the best set up now to afk farm?
spam mortar + hyper beam and 1 or 2 acid?
and that flame thrower is still usable?

[rigid breach]

You shouldn't have leftover sewage with the new expanded crucibles. The second crucible in a xircon line can make its own sewage.

[quartz pagoda]

idk, what future do you envision?

[vast iron]

only concern i have is 3 might need jumpstart

but not really a big issue

[fluid fog]

as far as I tried, no design can do to prioritize specific liquid type

[deft orbit]

are you sure it doesn't clog? if the purification units can't release the acid, they can't work

[quartz pagoda]

you see, these are the real questions. i would like to know too

[deft orbit]

4 more curpium deposits (2 high 2 low purity)

240 cuprium

[tawny shadow]

mortar looks cool. you can put it anywhere
but I'm afraid it might miss if the mobs are moving too much

[quartz pagoda]

thats oddly specific

[trim star]

same thing as before

deluge tower funnel -> fire tower

marsh gas to trap them in the funnel

[vast iron]

i said before, the acid from purification unit is less than the acid from pumps, and convergers/reactors alternate so if there is a clog it would be clogging the pumps not the purifiers

[trim star]

then spam acid/hyper beam/sentry

one or two mortars if you feel like it but they can knock enemies out of trap

acid is by far the strongest aoe tower we have rn

[deft orbit]

it's the way to make full eficient the hetonite

[tawny shadow]

oh so there's a knockback..

[quartz pagoda]

i'll remember that (still dumping the acid back into the pool)

[trim star]

lemme record my setup for the last one rq

[vast iron]

they need to give us gilberta's skill as a tower

[trim star]

as a small example of what happens

[vast iron]

would be insane

[void owl]

Help?

[quartz pagoda]

should i replace all my grenades with acid then?

[tawny shadow]

yea but this doesn't stack I think
so 1 - 2 should be enuf

[ruby sorrel]

when can we put gilberta in a tower

[hoary crag]

put bottom forge to right of top forge, facing down as well

you can then further put the unloaders close to each other after that, and then have a dedicated area for all of your waste treatment

[vast iron]

we have literally 0 grouping rn

[trim star]

no

[tawny shadow]

that water gun is our poor man grouping tech

[trim star]

it's just absurdly strong damage wise

[devout egret]

Isnt it gonna be to slow to transfering those those red liquid to Purification unit with that pipe setup?

[quartz pagoda]

the way is the group we made along the friends

[trim star]

it is a direct upgrade to sentry towers because it's just sentry that does aoe (but it doesnt target strong, which is a downside)

[ornate sorrel]

i still dont get why the devs thought it'll be an amazing idea to do a quest to unlock AIC upgrades

[spice tartan]

mind control tower that turns one of them aggressive towards their kin

[ornate sorrel]

i want the increased stock income, dont act surprised if you see me skipping cutscenes

[tawny shadow]

are we talking about the acid that gives def reduction?
doesn't that work as buffer instead of damage dealer?

the damage is just like half of what hyper beam tower

[mellow thicket]

should it be doing this way? just following some guides and the pumps are always clogged and stuff, xircon production is slow(so am i xdd)

[vast iron]

this message just gave me mental shock

[trim star]

beam towers SUCK you should NEVER use them unless you have to

[quartz pagoda]

love tower that makes them into temporary pets so we can sell them for money

[deft orbit]

each machine does 1 red every 2 seconds, that's 0.5/s, a tube can transport 2/s, 4 machines in total (despite having 3 atm), no clogs from red with this

[trim star]

also this is a 2 mortar setup rn which is why you see all of the issues with random enemies jumping out

[tawny shadow]

is it bc it's too slow to hit?

[trim star]

yes

[spice tartan]

love tower that makes them... uhh.... actually nevermind

[ornate sorrel]

Oh. Huh.

[quartz pagoda]

cuz it makes sense within the world (yes i know you skip story, dw)
i read so i think its fine, or more like, the only way it makes sense

[hoary crag]

is the mortar good?

[ornate sorrel]

lvl 2 Remediation Station Allows you to sell battiers

[trim star]

NO

[tawny shadow]

hmm I see. in theory it looks very hurtful
but yea idk about the practical

[trim star]

spam acid towers and then for the two big dudes that every alluvium has use like

[spice tartan]

Mortar is big as fuck which is cool so yeah it's good

[hoary crag]

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-no-darth-vader-yell-noooooo-gif-5858146

[trim star]

4 hyperbeams

[devout egret]

Didnt know that mine similar build except with pipes red liquid pipes

[trim star]

if mortar had enough damage to even near one shot adds it would be decent

rn it's literally just sending them two screens out of your setup

which is REALLY bad

[vast iron]

"beam towers suck" -> has like 4 down

[spice tartan]

I came across a shared alluvium that had like 4 mortars that blew everything up

[tawny shadow]

damn it's that bad?

[mellow thicket]

heeeelppppp

[trim star]

this new alluvium has that enemy from the last stage of the monumental etching

[ornate sorrel]

Lvl 2 outpost in case anyone wondering

[trim star]

wait

[vast iron]

i mean if you sync them up it could

[trim star]

no it has a tidalklast im misremembering

i have to have exactly 4 beams down to prevent myself from taking one hit

[void owl]

Wait do we have enough copium to feed 6 inlets?

[trim star]

go to 0:27 of the video i sent

[hoary crag]

how about the acid?

[spice tartan]

The shared space I had 4 mortars around the alluvium, so they cancel each other I guess?

[trim star]

acid is amazing

huge aoe (it's WAY larger than the game makes you think)

[quartz pagoda]

are you using Deludge to group them?

[trim star]

it does 6k first shot ~7.4k second shot onwards

it's basically like a global 10% damage buff to everything as well as a ton of aoe

same attack interval as sentry and very strong range

[trim star]

yeah deluge -> marsh gas

unfortunately there's no new slowing tower

[hoary crag]

ic

if I were to put a planter cage

would the mortar be a fun option?

[trim star]

i have 3 marsh gas in different spots to ensure they fire in a cycle to keep the enemies slowed forever

[trim star]

if you could make sure they dont get flung out of the beams yeah

hell chamber

[hoary crag]

idc if it's practical, I'm asking for fun

lmao

[vast iron]

extended crucible is tall, maybe that works better

and then just

15 mortars

[hoary crag]

[quartz pagoda]

can you list all your towers there? so i can get a better idea
i used to: 4 Grenade, 1 Marsh, 4 Flamethrowers, the rest are Snipers
before 1.2 that is
are you using beam towers because you need them for what?

[tawny shadow]

spamming mortars only looks pretty fun

the mobs be like

[hoary crag]

ikr, I should probably just do that on the new essence farm

[valid gazelle]

https://tenor.com/boivo.gif

[vast iron]

why limit yourself to just the new one?

[trim star]

3 deluge (minimum you need to hold a funnel)
3 marsh (annoying, usually you only need 2 but the range of enemy spawns mess with the cycle sometimes and if they fire at the same time you dont get a permaslow)
2 armor fragger (on the corner that the deluge funnel ends)
as a test i had 2 mortar 2 acid 3 beam but you should really drop the mortars and use 4 acid 4 beam

[vast iron]

b-but mortars

[trim star]

the trick with building autofarm setups is to set towers up with a range such that they fire only in certain cases

which is pretty difficult most of the time

[tawny shadow]

v4 is already too broken for more mortar hits

[hoary crag]

I wonder if I just spam mortars and not add a cage

what could possibly go wrong?

[trim star]

you could do that but mortars have a bug that they only fire at enemies at the same z level