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[worn falcon]

Is now

Dallas Eternal

[trail perch]

Rio to dallas?

Element Eternal

[karmic grotto]

@sullen berry It was logic and intuition to me. Since Fuel purged their whole roster except Doha, I judged that they would acquire the core of EM, that would make the most sense since Dallas would start fresh with a new beginning. So if you have Doha, and you know that he had played for years with Sparkle, and then XZI and Hanbin and with Rush, Their synergy is as scary as Shock

[solar bison]

Dallas Eternal Mystic

[weak bolt]

If fuel are somewhat smart, they pick up some top rated Korean contenders players for backup tank/tracer

[solar bison]

Yeah

[trail perch]

oh yeah they dont have a tracer

[solar bison]

Backups are always good

[tropic herald]

Maybe they get GaeBullSsi

[tawdry hamlet]

I want a monke meta again, I miss seeing the monke one trick backups

[weak bolt]

Pick up players who have potential. Give them time in scrims & against weaker teams, and let them gain experience

[solar bison]

Echo Monke meta

[sullen berry]

@karmic grotto yeah that about sums how i felt mysteriously hanging onto a dallas slave lol

[tawdry hamlet]

Pokpo da monkey king

I also want to watch guxue on monke again

[trail perch]

I miss guxue

The primal blade

[tawdry hamlet]

[solar bison]

Yep

[trail perch]

[tropic herald]

I wonder if Afoxx goes to one of the EUs

[next mesa]

If dallas doesn't get to grand finals

It's a fail

[karmic grotto]

@sullen berry here's the whole thing

[cedar oasis]

Idk

Dallas not top 4 amd it's a fail

[sullen berry]

who is a gossip lel

[karmic grotto]

shht

i know

[sullen berry]

i didn't understand that is all

[karmic grotto]

xd

[sullen berry]

everything else is pretty sound

[karmic grotto]

I hope Fuel won't suck this year

[sullen berry]

but you bring them together

[karmic grotto]

Yes

[sullen berry]

what are the chances that they do

[karmic grotto]

Well, I figured it from the gossip and the direction that Fuel wants to go

[sullen berry]

remember how EM is one of several GOATS bosses last season were really good in contenders korea
slam dunked on the gauntlet and other chinese teams in their tournaments

[weak bolt]

Fuel will likely be a top team, assuming they don't have major issues between players or the management go crazy

[karmic grotto]

Spark is good, but they got outclassed by others

Like the others improved faster than Spark could

[sullen berry]

Spark had on paper the chance to shine with exactly the same roster, plus M1ka

[sullen berry]

who i still rate high on the small chinese player tier

[karmic grotto]

xzi said on twitter that the team is complete

@tawdry hamlet hehe

[sullen berry]

Painis

[tawdry hamlet]

[weak bolt]

Spark signed a new OT recently right? Or was that just a rumour once QoQ was gone

[karmic grotto]

Good roster

Now it's up to Rush to make it shine

if Rush can coach Jecse/Rapel to god level like he did with benbest/nico and others

[weak bolt]

Still think they need a tracer player, and another MT

[next mesa]

They have fearless

People seem to forget they have fucking fearless dude

[karmic grotto]

@weak bolt Well, Sparkle has a good tracer, with coaching it can be great

[tidal ridge]

BRUH XZI FUEL

[sullen berry]

Still think they need a tracer player, and another MT
@weak bolt apparently a lot of main tanks are hard to find and maintain if they're getting benched for most of the season

[karmic grotto]

Like fleta for dragons

[tidal ridge]

Paris Mystics

[sullen berry]

Dallas Element Mystic

DEM

[tidal ridge]

Dallas Eternal Mystic

[weak bolt]

Yeah you dont need a starter quality MT, but you want a decent backup probably a contenders one who wants a chance

[tidal ridge]

because of fielder and aid

[sullen berry]

fuck DAL, all my homies hated every DAL iteration

[earnest leaf]

the question is can sparkle compete with top tier tracers

danteh/striker/fleta/profit etc

[tidal ridge]

how much has dallas paid this off-season u reckon

[karmic grotto]

We haven't seen much of Tracer, but it's serviceable

Where they lack, they are stronger on other sides

[sullen berry]

Spark signed a new OT recently right? Or was that just a rumour once QoQ was gone
@weak bolt so far it's only a rumo

[tidal ridge]

fuck it

seominsoo

[weak bolt]

After this past season, I think it'd be silly if they didn't pick up a Tracer player who is competent on hitscans too

Dallas can clearly afford it, why risk it

[next mesa]

Who

[karmic grotto]

Depends. Their roster right now is complete as seen from sources and xzi himself

[tidal ridge]

i think dallas shouldnt want to risk the shock curse of having too many dps that want to start so they leave

[karmic grotto]

You either have a strong double flex, or strong double hitscan

It's alright

[weak bolt]

Lets just hope Xzi's wrist injury doesnt reoccur

[karmic grotto]

Coaching + teamwork > individual skills

[sullen berry]

Hastr0 tightened up

[next mesa]

They have a strong double flex in sparkle and Doha

Holy shit I forgot about that @weak bolt

If it happens dude they have no hitscan

[weak bolt]

Yep

[next mesa]

On paris they got soon at least

[karmic grotto]

From his interview, he's getting better

[next mesa]

And also

[earnest leaf]

wasn't it a neck injury?

I forget

[sullen berry]

EU playoffs lol

[next mesa]

Soon played ashe instead of xzi

[karmic grotto]

Yes

A neck one

[sullen berry]

and now we proceed with valorant esports meme

[weak bolt]

Think it was wrist, may have been neck. Either way he had to fly back to Korea and didn't play for many weeks

[earnest leaf]

yea

[earnest leaf]

was a bad injury regardless

[karmic grotto]

It will be alright

We have months to prepare

Season 4

[weak bolt]

If you were Dallas, would you really take the risk and not have any real form of backup?

[karmic grotto]

I'm already getting excited

[weak bolt]

I'd be hitting up someone like Glister or Stitch as a backup honestly

[earnest leaf]

can always sign some t2 hitscan for cheap

[karmic grotto]

This time, I'm going to buy a shirt, but not sure whether to buy Fuel or Justice. Probably Justice

[sullen berry]

hmm, so valorant first strike is going to wrap up in time for christmas

[weak bolt]

I just expect Dallas ot have some form of meltdown mid season. It'd not be Dallas without some drama

[earnest leaf]

inb4 the meta is just perma double hitscan

[karmic grotto]

That's negative thinking of you

[weak bolt]

I'm just going off 3 years of experience 😄

[karmic grotto]

[weak bolt]

They'll do something dumb like not play Fielder just because Rapel was EM, and then he'll suck and Fielder will rot on the bench

[solar bison]

Im too poor to buy all the jerseys i want

[tidal ridge]

wouldn't be dallas if a superstar dps player leaves due to not wanting to work with the team

[runic cargo]

Does anyone wanna play compet I’ll go healer I’m in bronze /silver

[raw ermine]

Wrong channel

#lfg-pc-eu-ranked #lfg-pc-eu-ranked

[next mesa]

Honestly

Won't be surprised if it becomes double hitscan

It depends on the heroes that blizzard put out

Honestly the new heroes could fuck up the power rankings

@weak bolt remember, aero ain't coach anymore doe

[sullen berry]

They'll do something dumb
yeah maybe, don't count on it being unavoidable this time

[karmic grotto]

I have faith

[hot heart]

Xzi jebaited us hard

Tbh now they just need a MS Then they're fine

[sullen berry]

no sp9rk1e did it better

[hot heart]

But if they get a tracer specialist

That couldn't hurt

[next mesa]

They have ms

Jecse

[hot heart]

O

Forgot

Welo then

Probably another HS

And you're set

[next mesa]

And a ball orisa player

[hot heart]

Yeah

Who can play those at a higher level though

Imagine if they just pickup ameng for ball

[next mesa]

Someone in contenders I'm guessing

Fearless orisa def not bad

It's like, supers orisa isn't bad

[hot heart]

Who plays both orisa and ball at a high level though

Yeah fearless doesnt have a bad orisa

But

If you find someone better at orisa

Why not

[raw ermine]

https://twitter.com/xzi_ow/status/1327695099707355136

Xzi (@xzi_ow)

Hello i'm Xzi
I'm really happy to join the Dallas team as the last member. For the fans who support me, I will do my best to play the game. Ace is will be the last to announce it😎 https://t.co/SVCrFSfUIT

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Twitter · Nov 14, 2020, 7:29 PM

[tidal ridge]

last member

bruh...

no backup MT?

[raw ermine]

Am I dumb or is this just a mistake from xzi? what does ace mean?

They probably will be fine with just fearless

he lasted nearly all of 2020 by himself

yeah stand1 played

but they would have gotten similar results with fearless

[next mesa]

ace means the best player in the team

When you're the teams ace

Xzi widow one trick lol

Also cree

[raw ermine]

Ah I see

save the best for last

[silk frost]

Maybe there'll be 1 more as the actual ace

[worn falcon]

Last member, maybe they get some cheap as the season advances

Unless last member means like the last person joining and a new coming

[weak bolt]

Im wondering if it means last member from EM reuinion

but looks like that is their roster for this year set

[sullen berry]

No he could very well be the last member

He fudged the word order from the looks of it but I’ll pretend

[vagrant jacinth]

Dallas went all in insane

[cobalt spoke]

@tidal ridge you dont really need a backup main tank

Fearless is good enough on all the heroes he plays

[hot heart]

At this point

Dallas are guaranteed top 3

Overall

Shock and shanghai are the only two that are better than dallas

And even then im not sure about shanghai

I mean

Fate against fearless

Thats just fucked

Hmm

Does dallas have the best dps line in OWL

Rn

Im Probably not thinking of a team

But doha sp9rk1e xzi is spectacular

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1327730118899404800?s=19

Arran “Halo” Brown (@haloofthoughts)

According to sources, the Houston Outlaws have supposedly former Talon Esports Off-Tank Min-Jun "PIGGY" Shin

Twitter · Nov 14, 2020, 9:48 PM

[silk frost]

What

HOUSTON?

[hot heart]

Yis

[silk frost]

HOUSTON are winning the piggy war?!

Fucking HOUSTON

[hot heart]

They already signed him apparently

Halo messed up the tweet

He clarified and said they had already signed him

Lemme get the tweet

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1327734884396396545?s=19

Arran “Halo” Brown (@haloofthoughts)

Has signed*

I butchered the announcement

Twitter · Nov 14, 2020, 10:07 PM

[vagrant jacinth]

Yo pog empathy is a mod now

[hot heart]

Pogathy

[earnest leaf]

He's the only new mod that doesn't exclusively talk in genD

[vagrant jacinth]

I know jack about contenders talent but I'm hype

One of us

[hot heart]

One of us

[vagrant jacinth]

A man of the people

[hot heart]

One of us

ONE OF US

[vagrant jacinth]

ONE OF US

[hot heart]

The cult of esports discussion

[vagrant jacinth]

I'm scared to ping him now, for fear of gulag

[next mesa]

One of us

Democracy

[hot heart]

Fear him

[raw ermine]

https://mobile.twitter.com/hastr0/status/1327714076248723456

Mike Rufail (@hastr0)

Your 2021 @DallasFuel:

@Doha_OW - DPS
@SP9RK1E_OW - DPS
@xzi_ow - DPS
@Fearless527 - Main Tank
@HanBin_OW - Off-Tank
@fielder_ow - Flex Support
@ow__Rapel - Flex Support
@ow_Jecse - Main Support

@rush_coach - Head Coach
@FuelYong - Asst. Coach
@Aid_OW - Asst. Coach

I’m t...

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Twitter · Nov 14, 2020, 8:44 PM

[tropic herald]

dont fear

[vagrant jacinth]

Our comrade has ascended

[tropic herald]

i am the same

just now i have a massive target on my back bc my name is orange

[vagrant jacinth]

LORD EMPATHY

[hot heart]

Empathy is an ascended being

ALL HAIL LORD EMPATHY

[vagrant jacinth]

Dallas fucking stacked, don't mess it up

[hot heart]

Yep

Sp9rk1e is seemingly learning tracer

And tbh

His tracking is on fucking point

From what I've seen

[hazy stream]

Bruh this is way better than SFS

[vagrant jacinth]

Don't forget about us here in the depths of #esports-discussion

[hot heart]

It isnt

[vagrant jacinth]

That'd be pog

[hot heart]

SFS have the best support line in OWL

And the best rein

And probably the best orisa

[vagrant jacinth]

So far he's only impressed on genji and doom

[earnest leaf]

yea shock still has the better tank and supp line

[hot heart]

But honestly

[hazy stream]

not the dps line

[earnest leaf]

better hitscans aswell, paris only wins out in the flex dps role since ya know, shock doesn't have one

[hot heart]

Idk if you can get much better than dallas' dps line

Tbh

[true hound]

@hot heart profit fits

[hot heart]

Eh

[hazy stream]

Profit glister

[earnest leaf]

fits matched ans on the widow

[hazy stream]

Mark my words

[earnest leaf]

but profit still couldn't compete with striker's tracer

[true hound]

that’s all he can’t compare with tho

[hot heart]

Striker is a freak of nature

[true hound]

but ye Dallas better do well

[hot heart]

You cant compare with him on the tracer

[true hound]

but we know how it goes

[vagrant jacinth]

Strikers tracer is just unbelievable

[hot heart]

Anything else is fair game

[true hound]

the fuel cycle of misery

will turn

[hot heart]

Oh god

[vagrant jacinth]

I will laugh so goddamn hard lmao

Dallas fans malding gives me life

[hot heart]

There is no way they mess this up

Other than pulling a vancouver

And just fucking yeeting their roster

But

[plush light]

If fuel aren't too 5 team the management needs to go die in a hole and go to hell

[hot heart]

Envy and dallas seem to take care of their players

And they really wanna win next year

So

They have to do anything

[vagrant jacinth]

There is no way they mess this up
Narrator: Yes they could

[hot heart]

And they will do anything to win

Get that bag and get out is dallas' plan tbh

[vagrant jacinth]

Fr tho, I don't see a way they fuck it up

[hot heart]

Yeah

Neither do i

[vagrant jacinth]

Could be fuels year honestly

[hot heart]

Dallas rn need to hope to god this works

And they win a championship

Because if they dont

[karmic grotto]

Then what?

[hot heart]

Big Ol' Papa Hastro is comin for them

[karmic grotto]

Nothing wrong if they become top 4 at the end

[hot heart]

Yeah but hastro is just like they're going to win

I dont expect him to be satisfied with top 4

[tawdry hamlet]

I predict fuel will pull a shanghai and dominate and get beat at the last second by someone like philly just showing up

predictions

[vagrant jacinth]

With a team like this they have to be. Shouldn't be aiming for just a top 4 finish

[hot heart]

Yeah that could happen

I think rn

[tawdry hamlet]

idk i just think even with all this, shock might just have better synergy but being down moth and rascal and fuel having chemistry between all the em players they could really do it

considering how meh apac looks

I could see it

[hot heart]

Rush needs to focus on growing the support line into something top tier

Like

They have the potential

But rush needs to help them reach it

And yong ofc

[tawdry hamlet]

Really wish shock dropped moth and ta1yo picked up a cheap support and kept rascal since having such a diverse damage line really really helps them

but ans and striker are still great

so not super worried

[hot heart]

Yeah the rascal drop was questionable

Where else would you find someone as good as him

[tawdry hamlet]

it was obviously too much to pay for 3 top tier dps

but still a rip

[hot heart]

Sp9rk1e and fleta are the only two that come to mind

Sp9rk1e under crusty would become mvp probably

Learn more heroes

[tawdry hamlet]

wish shanghai hadn't ran that really weird setup with players they barely used in the finals

I mean I guess for meta but like diem and stand1?

o well, I am hyped for the lower mid scene to see who ends up on top next season

[hot heart]

Stand1 fed alot but also pulled some huge plays

[tawdry hamlet]

see which canada team sucks more lolol

leejaegon turbo fed lolol

like actually

[hot heart]

LJG threw the finals

[tawdry hamlet]

so did viol2t lowkey but at least shock actually won

viol2t literally played dps the last series lolol

[vagrant jacinth]

Ljg lmao

[noble nexus]

viol2t plays dps every series

[tawdry hamlet]

hope somebody picks up bdosin he did well in finals

unless he retired

I don't recall

[vagrant jacinth]

I think he was lft

[tawdry hamlet]

also kind of funny that philly still has a super solid lineup with one of the best supports and one of the best dps and people have entirely given up on them because of the finals meta shitting on them lmaoo

[vagrant jacinth]

Yep

He's lft

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean I guess now it makes sense because they dropped a few

but before it was like

when seattle seahawks didn't run the ball

the bandwagon just fell apart

[vagrant jacinth]

Yeah people shift so quick

[tawdry hamlet]

tbh people just love underdogs lmao

[vagrant jacinth]

I remember when people were saying shock were gonna be boomed after the loss to Philly

[tawdry hamlet]

I am really curious what mid teams like florida and atlanta are going to do now since they dropped so many

Atlanta really just dropped dead weight tbh

but florida idk

[vagrant jacinth]

Idk I find it hard to see reign do anything

[tawdry hamlet]

saucy was dead weight on atlanta lmao

dogman is mid tier

gator is meh

they are all just meh minus that one dps lmao

erster I believe

edison

one of the two

[vagrant jacinth]

Erster and Edison were massive pick ups at the time

[tawdry hamlet]

hard to think they even finished like top 5 or 6

[vagrant jacinth]

Florida will still compete

[tawdry hamlet]

Paris really just shit the bed in the finals and it threw everyone off

since they actually had a lot of talent

[vagrant jacinth]

We still having an apac/na split?

[tawdry hamlet]

and now they just sold their whole roster like

not sure, but from what it looks like I would think no?

[vagrant jacinth]

Mega stonks

[tawdry hamlet]

I wonder what they are going to do

maybe take the titans route and draft a contenders team

and hope for the best

[vagrant jacinth]

I just need London signing news I'm craving it

[tawdry hamlet]

me too!

I want to see pogwave go there so bad

[vagrant jacinth]

That and seeing some of our boys getting picked up

[tawdry hamlet]

I really want chengdu news too

[tropic herald]

I think Paris shit the bed Bc they played Winston

[tawdry hamlet]

I want to decide if they will suck again lmaoo

[vagrant jacinth]

Chengduuu

[tropic herald]

And nosmote didn’t have the team synergy

[tawdry hamlet]

I think chengdu is the only team to have less than 30k earnings lmao

even houston has more I think

P a i n i s e t e r n a l

SoOn is like the peak mid or barely above mid dps

I think he is a good base line but not a carry by any means

[vagrant jacinth]

I'm a soon simp tbh

[tawdry hamlet]

me too

that widow 1v1 series man

really got me on the soon train

since I only knew him for tracer and he whips out this top widow na play like what

where was that the whole time

[vagrant jacinth]

If soon somehow ends up at London, I'll be so goddamn hype

[tawdry hamlet]

soon deserves better !

[vagrant jacinth]

He fucked in that 1v1

[tawdry hamlet]

he is like a french version of linkzr, a fan favorite chad dude

[vagrant jacinth]

My only regret is not picking up s1 valiant tracer skin

[tawdry hamlet]

also thinking about other mid tier na dps, like ksp hmm

I wonder how they will stack up since soon just destroyed him lmao

[vagrant jacinth]

I got the mercy though bc chad custa

[tawdry hamlet]

Soon has almost made as much as paris as a whole has

what is even more crazy is, in the apac finals chengdu beat spitfire

I think

[vagrant jacinth]

Someone pls pick him up

I think you right

[tawdry hamlet]

I forgot hawk even existed

Reign Off-Tank moment

[vagrant jacinth]

Atlanta was just meh

I miss babybay

[tawdry hamlet]

man i keep forgetting about the one trick backup players that are like actually famous lmao

shax moment

[vagrant jacinth]

Shax

Is shockwave to London the only rumour so far? Leak me some info halo

[edgy tinsel]

BH to london

lol

[hot heart]

At this point BH are basically confirmed to london

[silk frost]

probably waiting for gaunttlet

[weak bolt]

If Houston sign Piggy & Happy, alongside Danteh/Hydration, that's a really nice core to start with

[digital cloud]

don't forget boink

[weak bolt]

Boink is joining Shock to learn from Crusty and then coach Titans to S5 win

[tropic herald]

I feel like Houston should get a real main tank

Or Hydration needs to bulk up a lot

[digital cloud]

well, fissure might still be available

and contenders always has something to offer

[tropic herald]

Is Fissure still LFT?

[digital cloud]

I think so?

not sure

[tropic herald]

Sado to Houston

[digital cloud]

that could also work

[weak bolt]

Im wondering if Hydration will just go back to flex dps honestly

[digital cloud]

Houston got piggy, apparently, so they must have some cash

[earnest leaf]

if houston want to compete hydration can't be MT

[digital cloud]

well, that is the question isn't it

does Houston want to compete?

these last few years, no

[weak bolt]

If they're able to afford Happy, I'd say yes

[tropic herald]

I guess Houston have another option...

[digital cloud]

I doubt he leaves

[tropic herald]

Houston org def has money

[digital cloud]

of course you are probably joking

please don't hurt me mod

[tropic herald]

They getting Happy and Piggy

[weak bolt]

Houston org has money this year for the time in a while, so might see their intentions change

[digital cloud]

danteh wasn't cheap either, I think

originally

[tropic herald]

Guys I know I’m a mod but why are you guys scared of me

[digital cloud]

because mods

plus mods are never in here

[tropic herald]

Most mods on this server won’t hurt you

[digital cloud]

its weird

[earnest leaf]

the money required to get super is not on this planet

@tropic herald well yea most mods sit in gen D

[digital cloud]

and the one in lore is scary

[earnest leaf]

don't go there and you avoid 99% of the mods

[tropic herald]

They talk in gd Bc in gd they don’t get rocks pelted at them

Every other channel having an orange name is a target on your back

[digital cloud]

that seems like a bad idea

how does that work

[earnest leaf]

Eh only targeted by the randos who no one knows

[tropic herald]

It’s still annoying nevertheless

[earnest leaf]

That's fair, just a little frustrating in an OW discord, a large portion of mods don't go into the other channels

but tis esports discussion

[tropic herald]

Also I know it looks like mods sit on their asses but they do a lot of work that regular users will never see

That’s my two cents

Back to esports

[earnest leaf]

Speaking of super, wouldn't surprise me if he retires

[digital cloud]

he could probably stream, right?

not that he has a good personality

[tropic herald]

Super would make absolute bank off streaming

[earnest leaf]

at worst he pulls 2k avg viewers during variety

With multiple oil princes donating and giving gift subs

[weak bolt]

Super probably just stays on Shock as a Rein specialist and team mascot

If the meta ever goes back to a Rein rush style meta, he'll be very needed

[digital cloud]

he apparently has a good hog now, I guess

well, hog meta is now dead, but I suppose that counted for something

[earnest leaf]

Part of me wants to see him on another team as a full starter

[digital cloud]

eh

he is a great rein

but his monkey and orisa . . .

[earnest leaf]

his monkey iirc is pretty good

and his orisa performed well in OWWC

[digital cloud]

teams probably have better options

[earnest leaf]

just that smurf is a fucking god at them

[digital cloud]

not that he is bad

[weak bolt]

He'd be ok for any mid tier team as the only MT

[digital cloud]

idk, contenders players are really good now

I think you could probably get a few contenders mts that are better in aggregate than super

[worn falcon]

@earnest leaf only if they are dafran

My boi getting 6k usd

[weak bolt]

Super has the experience and shotcalling/confidence you'd want I think

[worn falcon]

[earnest leaf]

Super as a package deal is probably a better option than most other MTs

Really good personality for marketing and shit, and also a top tier rein, and seemingly solid winston and orisa

[weak bolt]

Shock wont let him go anyway unless he really wants to leave

[earnest leaf]

yea

[weak bolt]

It gives the team an american face for PR/Marketing

[worn falcon]

There is no American face after super

Maybe ...huh

Space

[weak bolt]

Space, Moth, Danteh are the other 3 you'd really consider

[hot heart]

I think super is probably the face of the league

[noble nexus]

I doubt super retires

he talks about the 3peat a fair bit

[earnest leaf]

he also lies about everything signing wise

[weak bolt]

No reason for Super to retire, may as well keep the cash rolling in and play Rein when needed

[noble nexus]

and genji

super is just as valuable as a personality as he is as a player

[weak bolt]

He's done Genji, needs a new hero now

[earnest leaf]

zen next

[weak bolt]

Maybe grind Brig

It's just like a smaller Rein

[noble nexus]

he played zen s1

basically already the best in the world

js

[plush light]

Super is shock's new flex dps, replacing rascal. You guys didn't know?

[weak bolt]

He already replaced Rascal next year, he's going for Viol2t next

[vagrant jacinth]

Super baptiste next season

[next mesa]

Super has way more personality than like danteh tbh

[tropic herald]

Okay but personality isn’t really quantitative

[silk frost]

Super play the Sojourn

[plush light]

Danteh is an ana main now xd

[hot heart]

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1327661283236253699?s=19

Arran “Halo” Brown (@haloofthoughts)

According to sources, the Houston Outlaws have supposedly agreed to terms with former Guangzhou Charge DPS Jung-Woo "Happy" Lee.

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Twitter · Nov 14, 2020, 5:14 PM

Ayo

What

Danteh Happy

Houstan actually trying

Aight

[tropic herald]

Happy wants to play on a mixed roster iirc

[hot heart]

How good is piggy

By OWL standards

[silk frost]

should be a mid-high tier off tank

[hot heart]

Now im kinda excited for houstan

Wonder what supports they're gonna pick up

[silk frost]

Halo and Rawkus pog

[hot heart]

Lmao

Boink and rawkus

[trail perch]

old shock

dhak sleepy

[silk frost]

EZ

[worn falcon]

Outluls

[vagrant jacinth]

Wonder what signing I'll be waking up to lol

[hot heart]

Shock signing boink

[keen aurora]

whos boink

[upper niche]

super is just as valuable as a personality as he is as a player
@noble nexus This is what a lot of people overlook. Custa was the same when he was on Valiant.

[noble nexus]

there are a few teams with players like that

[upper niche]

If you want your franchise to actually make money, you need to pay attention to those players.

[hot heart]

Yeah

Your team needs a face

Someone that represents you and the league well

And is also good at the game

[silk frost]

like Jake

[fast tusk]

whats your favorite overwatch league team skin ?

[next mesa]

Dynasty

[fast tusk]

florida

[shell forum]

spark

or toronto

[hot heart]

Seoul and shock

[upper niche]

@fast tusk The London ones looks fantastic, even the away skins.

London Away Sombra is 👍

[hot heart]

Yeah london skins also look pretty nice

[shell forum]

also glads

[worn falcon]

Hecking Dallas Eternal

yes, seems XZI was the last buy

[next mesa]

Seems like the roster is complete

Honestly, idk if it's championship materiel

[worn falcon]

top tank, top dps

mid support line

[next mesa]

They don't have a tracer player

Nah I think fielder is s tier

[worn falcon]

XZI or Doha

[next mesa]

Yeah they'll have to grind one

Maybe sparkle too he's been playing a lot of tracer on stream

[cobalt spoke]

Last time we saw sparkle tracer it was 🤢

I hope he is a good tracer

[next mesa]

Ok not capping guys

Have you seen his ashe on stream

[trail perch]

no...

[next mesa]

It's lowkey a fat nut

Like not kidding I was like, wtf

[trail perch]

Maybe an Xzi tracer

[next mesa]

Maybe I just caught him on a good day

[trail perch]

And a sparkle ashe

Or a sparkle Xzi double sniper

[cobalt spoke]

It looks like there will be way more competition this year

[trail perch]

Eternal is insane

I trust rush to make the supports top

[cobalt spoke]

Yeah

[trail perch]

Eternal Fue*

[cobalt spoke]

The dallas eternal are looking pretty good

[trail perch]

The Dallas Mystic

[cobalt spoke]

Element fuel

[trail perch]

The Dallas eternal Mystic

[cobalt spoke]

Dang the dallas roster looks stacked

But do you know what roster looks more stacked?

Shocks

[trail perch]

Not really

They dont have a flex

DPS

[cobalt spoke]

Ta1yo is a flex dps

And they barely even need one

[trail perch]

Ta1yo has been more well known for his tracer

and hitscans

[cobalt spoke]

They just need someone to play like 4 heroes

[trail perch]

FDgod is just worse than moth

[cobalt spoke]

4 irrelevant or easy proj heroes

[trail perch]

And viol2t mgiht leave

[cobalt spoke]

Viol2t leaving was a troll

Viol2t being an idiot again

Also fdgod likely has a better brig than twilight did and a much better brig than moth did

So

If anything

Fdgod is a slight downgrade or a sidegrade

And thats a base

[balmy wolf]

shock has crusty magic, they'll be fine

[noble nexus]

yeah

[balmy wolf]

im still waiting if was is gonna sign more players

[noble nexus]

fdgod being top 3 MS without the Crust means he's coachable into arguable #1 MS

[cobalt spoke]

Exactly

[noble nexus]

also Viol2t tweeted the fake Moth to Dallas joke

he's just an absolute memer

might leave tho

[balmy wolf]

there is a diff between fdgod and moth currently, fdgod is mechanically stronger but that doesnt mean much

[noble nexus]

wouldn't surprise me if either twilight or viol2t leave

Moth is far above fdgod imo

only cuz of his mercy

[cobalt spoke]

Mercy is coachable

[noble nexus]

but Mercy is an easy hero to learn considering it's just all position and shit

[cobalt spoke]

Very coachable

[noble nexus]

ya

[balmy wolf]

the gap isnt as big as u think

[noble nexus]

Shock are still definitely the team to beat next season right now

it's a coachable gap

but a gap nonetheless

[balmy wolf]

yea and we got until april realistically until OWL comes back so the gap is gone already

[cobalt spoke]

Ok

Twilight cant leave

Unless he literally wants to retire

Shock already took his option

[noble nexus]

really?

[cobalt spoke]

Yea

[noble nexus]

I could see twilight wanting more playtime

but sharing a role with viol2t doesn't let that happen often

[cobalt spoke]

So

[noble nexus]

so I figured he'd want to leave

but apparently not

[cobalt spoke]

Hed probably just want to stay because he likes to play ana lol

He doesnt want to go to another team to go play zen and bap and moira even more, ew!

[noble nexus]

fair enough

his ana is better than viol2t's anyways so if they need ana or double flex they have him

ig

[cobalt spoke]

He can play bap too

[earnest leaf]

shock just gotta keep viol2t/super, and sign nero

Ez 3peat

[next mesa]

He can brig too

[cobalt spoke]

Yep

[next mesa]

Twilight I mean

[true hound]

imagine kevster on shock

thatd be op

[next mesa]

Shock needs a true flex and they're back

[cobalt spoke]

Bit fdgod will pbb be their new brig

[next mesa]

Like libero

[cobalt spoke]

Not even

[noble nexus]

yeah fdgod will play their brig and viol2t has the best bap in the league

[cobalt spoke]

Like I said

[worn falcon]

Libero, Ivy

[cobalt spoke]

There are only 4 dps heroes left for shock to fill out

Doom torb echo and junk

[noble nexus]

they still need a new flex

[next mesa]

Nah mei genji

Ans Mei is just questionable

[noble nexus]

it functions

[cobalt spoke]

No it aint

[next mesa]

But when you put it besides rascal

[cobalt spoke]

He actually looked pretty good on the hero

[earnest leaf]

Crusty can probably coach mei into someone

[next mesa]

Who's probably best mei

[cobalt spoke]

Ta1yo has been starting to play a little echo on stream

[true hound]

sign jay3

[noble nexus]

agreed

[solar bison]

No

[cobalt spoke]

Sign chipsa

[worldly crystal]

Why not?

[silk frost]

1. Vizility retired again
2. NYXL dropped their player manager, makes me think they go western even more

[raw ermine]

rip viz. Lots of EU players are realising its Korea, china and a bit of US that are being picked from more than EU

"shows the girl being hugged in pool with other kid drowning meme, and the picture of the skeleton under water immersed labelled 'SA and Australia'"

[hidden vault]

Dallas
Called it to Dallas

They should haved sigbed MCD instead of fielder

[next mesa]

Why

[hidden vault]

Cause EM

Kay bye bye

[next mesa]

If they're looking for synergy fielder prob has more

[hot heart]

If you had to rank jecse where would you put him? @next mesa

[next mesa]

Jecse

I'd put him lower than moth leejaegon tobi fdgod prob

To be fair I think jecse was the best dallas could do

Like u could go to contenders but jecse has owl exp

[solar bison]

Jecse isnt bad

Yeah, FDGod, Moth, LeeJaeGon are better than him

But he was one of the better players on houston

[silk frost]

like your top tier main supports are probably moth and FDGod, then 1 tier down I'd have LJG, Chara, Neptuno, Tobi, and FA, then another tier down is where I think you'd put Jecse

[next mesa]

Idk if fdgod is on the same level

yet 🙄

[balmy wolf]

jesce as lucio was sometimes the better dps on houston

his time on owl has been on weak teams

[hot heart]

I think fdgod under crusty will become kinda like moth

But more aggressive

I could see fdgod becoming the best MS In OWL depending on how crusty works with him

[tawdry hamlet]

LJG is a turbo feeder

on a good enough team to mostly cover up his faults

except in the finals where he just threw

[cobalt spoke]

LJG vs fits on sombra looked kimda ugly too

He literally didnt hide from 1 emp

Thats not feeding

Thats bad play

LJG 🤢

[hot heart]

LJG really needs to get his shit together

But tbh

I still consider him top tier

[earnest leaf]

Ljg is good

He just turbo inted in finals

[hot heart]

"Engaged the feed drive to warp speed"
-Mr. Avast

First thing i thought of when i rewatched LJG on oasis

[plush grail]

nyxl dropped a coach

https://twitter.com/NYXL/status/1327793346274799617

NYXL (@NYXL)

We wish @StevenKim_OW the best of luck on his next adventure as he begins to explore future opportunities. Thank you for all that you've done for this team and our fans. This isn't goodbye. It's see you later. #EverUpward

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Twitter · Nov 15, 2020, 1:59 AM

wait no he was a player manager

FUCK

VIZILITY RETIRED https://twitter.com/Vizility/status/1327720620591898630

Vizility (@Vizility)

I was debating whether I wanted to post my retirement or not but I figured I owe it to my fans and all the people who supported me. I had a blast playing again but I wasn't as good as I used to be and it's time to move on. Thanks for the great memories the last few years 🥰❤️ ...

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Twitter · Nov 14, 2020, 9:10 PM

[tawdry hamlet]

Yeah someone said that yesterday

I think

[silk frost]

I did

I said it looks more and more like a western NYXL too

[cedar oasis]

NYXL coaches are below average

[plush grail]

I said it looks more and more like a western NYXL too
@silk frost what

do you legit think nyxl is going full western?

[tropic herald]

Given leaks about NY

That seems unlikely

[plush grail]

yeah but still even without the leaks

why would nyxl, a team that has only ever had korean players

suddenly go western

[weak bolt]

To make the brand more marketable and profitable

[tropic herald]

Yeah

Kinda like the thing they did with XL2

[weak bolt]

Having more western players allows for more fan events and such long term, that can be used for PR/marketing far better than a few Korean players who may struggle with fluent English

[cedar oasis]

They have jjonack

Jjonack is very popular

[tropic herald]

Yea that’s true

[weak bolt]

Do they have him still though?

No word on his contract, and rumours have been he's been trialing elsewhere

[tawdry hamlet]

He deserves a better team he's pog ana

[tropic herald]

There’s not any word on him moving

But there’s also no word on him staying

[cedar oasis]

I think NYXL is dropping libero

[plush grail]

im kinda expecting nyxl to keep the current players

either they keep them or the current remaining players are gone

but waiting till they can secure a new contract

[weak bolt]

I think they're trying to reduce them down to super cheap contracts

[hidden vault]

They might keep jjonak tho

[raw ermine]

Libero removed all NYXL related stuff from his bio, and NY posted a compilation of him in their YT channel

Telltale sign of him leaving

[worn falcon]

Libero to Philly pl0x

Unless he burn out and wants to retire

[cobalt spoke]

So this is probably dallas final roster

Yo

But is this better than shock?

NO

The three best teams imo next season will be shock dallas and souel in that order

And thats without a proj dps on shock

Thats also assuming souel can get consistent

[loud elbow]

I know hastro is making it seem like this is the final roster but I have a feeling that he is going to wait and sign some backup. There still is like 4 to 5 left in the off-season. Last year Dallas signed crimzo really late in the off-season

*4 to 5 months

[cobalt spoke]

There roster is well filled out

What do they even need

A tracer player?

[loud elbow]

I would say a tracer player and maybe another tank.

[cobalt spoke]

Is hanbin zarya good?

[true hound]

probs

[cobalt spoke]

So

They probably dont need another tank either

[true hound]

im assuming xzi will pick up the tracer

maybe even sparkle, because his genji is so good

and the brain power required is similar, just diff mechanics

[loud elbow]

It is but I wouldn’t want to put fearless on to a off tank meta

[cobalt spoke]

Its not an off tank meta

Hog hasnt been viable in high level play since the nerfs, but you never know we are pbb getting 2 new tanks

[loud elbow]

I would also like a backup tank just because it is a long season.

[cobalt spoke]

Its actually a short season

April till like September

Thats only 6 months

Compared to the usual 8

[loud elbow]

Your right Im just a person who likes having backup just in case.

[cobalt spoke]

K

But I trust fearless and hanbin

Fearless can play all the main tanks well and hanbin can play all the off tanks well

So they pbb fine

[loud elbow]

I do too I say right now it’s top 2 or 3 tank lineup but not all teams tanks roles have been filled. My big question is why fusion let go of fury i though he had a really good season last year?!

[cobalt spoke]

I know

I dont get it

Yo

But real truth

Shock has the best tank line

Thoughts on that one

?

[vagrant jacinth]

Fearless hanbin is an outstanding tank line

And yeah, I'm surprised they let fury go

[forest raven]

Super/smurf/choi is always the superior choice

[cobalt spoke]

Yep

[vagrant jacinth]

Yea

[loud elbow]

That’s why I say top 2 if he stayed I think a Mano and Fury is second. Yea unless they somehow lose smurf

[forest raven]

Also the crusty coefficient

FDGod boutta go super saiyan under crusty

[cobalt spoke]

Smurf has a contract

He stays unless he literally retires

[vagrant jacinth]

Mano fury would've been sick

[loud elbow]

Has anything been announced for Viol2t? That’s what I’m saying smurf and Choi is just too good.

[cobalt spoke]

Choi is also staying 100%

super is also probably staying

[next mesa]

Why would anyone of them leave

[cobalt spoke]

He fits well on shock but would be worthless to any other team

[next mesa]

You need the 3 peat for legendary status

[cobalt spoke]

Super that is

[next mesa]

are you saying super is worthless to any other team

lmao he's a top 5 main tank

what the fuck

[cobalt spoke]

Not lile that

But he plays hog and rein

[next mesa]

good main tanks are really hard to find

[wanton birch]

shock or dallas have the current strongest tank line no doubt

[forest raven]

And he's an IGL

[wanton birch]

but third i think could be glads

[next mesa]

his winston is also good

his orisa too

smurf is just

too good

[cobalt spoke]

Better

[wanton birch]

seeing fusion havent signed yet

[next mesa]

in comparaison

[cobalt spoke]

Best?

[next mesa]

smurf probably has the best orisa yeah

[wanton birch]

oh i forgot about dragons

[forest raven]

Smurf best main tank besides rein

Super best rein in the world

[cobalt spoke]

Yo

[next mesa]

fearless is like, smurf winston and super rein combined

[cobalt spoke]

Can we talk about smurf ball?

Smurf's ball is actually really good

[next mesa]

it's pretty good

yeah

we haven't seen it besides like

control maps doe

[cobalt spoke]

I saw him not making mistakes that ameng made on the exact same maps

[next mesa]

and striker usually is the problem

[cobalt spoke]

Which is kindof interesting

[next mesa]

honestly mano ball might be better than ameng

I dont even know anymore

also I think the new heroes that are coming out could very well fuck up power rankings

[wanton birch]

id rather have the player who is second best at winston and rein than the two players that are best at those

[cobalt spoke]

I wouldnt

[next mesa]

yeah but fearless' ball and orisa is like

not S tier

[cobalt spoke]

Shock has the budget for it

So keeping those 2 main tanks is so good for them

[next mesa]

dude a new maintank might come out

and

it's meta

[cobalt spoke]

Yeah

[next mesa]

and like

for some unknown reason

[wanton birch]

for shock it makes sense

[next mesa]

as unlikely as it is

[cobalt spoke]

Mauga?

[silk frost]

Yeah it was hog

[wanton birch]

but for a new team i think its better ti have one tank to learn with

[cobalt spoke]

Also super is going to pick up the new main tank most likely

[next mesa]

yeah but I could see like

for example

[wanton birch]

shock have build up the ability to swap either tank in whenever they want but for dallas it would take a lot of time that isnt worth it if they want a chance of winning this year

[next mesa]

another main tank player picking it up

becomes really good

and suddenly it fucks up the power ranking

ex: mag becomes godly at new main tank and justice is suddenly number 1

[loud elbow]

Do we know how many new hero’s we will be getting at the beginning of OW2?

[wanton birch]

id say a min of 2 for each role

[next mesa]

like 6

[cobalt spoke]

6 probably

[wanton birch]

or idk what they are doing

[next mesa]

idk about 2 each role

I think they are holding off on dps except sojourn

didn't they say

there's gonna be more tanks and supports

or am I trippin

[cobalt spoke]

Also new role called destroyer that makes the game 8v8

[wanton birch]

theyve said near to nothing

[cobalt spoke]

Jk

[cedar oasis]

Did fissure ever play ball

[cobalt spoke]

Wow

[loud elbow]

Also new role called destroyer that makes the game 8v8
@cobalt spoke Lol I was like “wait what?!?!”

[cobalt spoke]

Kidding

[loud elbow]

That was good you got me for a second lol 😂

[cobalt spoke]

Better name now

[raw ermine]

I read the first and last parts of it an assumed it was a real leak b4 I read the sinatraa lover part

[silk frost]

I want a 10v10 game mode

[next mesa]

xzi needs to get better at ashe

soon was playing ashe for him dude

[plush light]

Soon is really good. I think that is less because of xzi and more because of soon.

[next mesa]

?

that's why I said xzi needs to get better

if his ashe is worse than soon he can't compete with the likes of ans

[cedar oasis]

Fielder on normal ping should be atleast top 3

[next mesa]

he was a tier on 200 ping, should be s tier at least dude

[willow tartan]

did diem get signed by anyone?

[next mesa]

no

he will though

for sure

[next mesa]

no u

fuck wrong channel

[cobalt spoke]

Ok look

Dallas is full

Fusion has carpe

Souel has lip

And shock doesnt want anything to do with that guy

Especially ans

If diem doesnt get signed to a good team his talent will be put to waste

And it looks like thats exactly whats about to happen

[next mesa]

u mean seoul has fits lol

yeah that's true

it's just tragic

probably best widow in the league

[earnest leaf]

Fits/diem/ans are the best widows from what we saw

[next mesa]

saya is feeding in valorant, shut up old man

[true hound]

fits diem ans decay KSP imo (Saya still #1 shut up levy)

[gray forge]

Fits/diem/ans are the best widows from what we saw
@earnest leaf happy too

[raw ermine]

https://twitter.com/tf2pine/status/1327921992549351425

Pine (@tf2pine)

o https://t.co/pG6GGXTkcv

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Twitter · Nov 15, 2020, 10:30 AM

y'all remember what time it is?

ITS PINE TIMEEEE

[next mesa]

I saw that

like just saw that

he's still 👌

[cobalt spoke]

Happy aint it

[true hound]

i think there r the best widows and then theres that inconsistent category

like players who, when they are playing well, absolutely smash

like Linkzr & Birdring

i think if linkzr actually played consistently hed be without a doubt a top widow among the ranks of ans decay ksp etc

[silk frost]

I think he'd be top 10

but I think Ans is just on another level

[earnest leaf]

imo if he had a consistent team

Hard to be consistently good on widow if your team is down the shitter most of the time

[true hound]

yea

linkzrs aim is really nice to watch (when hes doing well ofc)

then theres flow3r who just has a seizure

[plush grail]

it's PINE TIME

[next mesa]

dude my sigma is better than choi hanbin and void combined

[plush grail]

dude

my sigma CLAPS super sigma

[raw ermine]

I have as much playtime on sigma that super does in OWL, therefore I am as good as him

[fervent acorn]

that's pog

[vagrant jacinth]

P I N E

[feral zodiac]

Dallas top 5 next season

[tropic herald]

If we look at teams rn

Yeah

But so many teams missing roles

[fervent acorn]

yeah.......

[next mesa]

Top 3 tbh

[vagrant jacinth]

that's what i'm expecting from them

[cedar oasis]

Didnt people think they were gonna be top 3 in season 1?

[trail perch]

I mean, some people did

But after apex s1 Envious wasnt that good tbh

[leaden stump]

Huh whats going on

[trail perch]

I thought seoul was going to be insane

[next mesa]

Seoul coaching was an actual joke my guy

[trail perch]

But before we knew that, Lunatic Hai+Fleta

I mean with a roster like that...

[next mesa]

No whoru doe

Only reason why they lost

Smug

[trail perch]

Whoru was insane, but fleta

Fleta is the meta

I mean look at london, c9 Kongdoo and GC Busan where good... but not as good as lunatic Hai

[vagrant jacinth]

fleta is meta ye

[trail perch]

LW Blue wasnt the best either

And NYXL did insane

[cedar oasis]

Didnt jjonack go straight from ranked to OWL?

[trail perch]

I think we shouldnt get our hopes up

Idk

No he was on LW Blue

just didnt play in APEX

[karmic grotto]

Wild prediction here

[trail perch]

SS is

it

[karmic grotto]

Oge will go to a team that's unexpected

[trail perch]

like what?

[karmic grotto]

Unexpected

[cedar oasis]

Valiant

[trail perch]

What does that mean

[karmic grotto]

[trail perch]

Is dreamer leaving?

[cedar oasis]

Idk but oge would be am upgrade

[plush grail]

oge to fuckin chemhdu

ameng will absorb oge's main tank skills

and become the next step in the chad process

[trail perch]

Whats more than yotta?

Bumper Chad?

[plush grail]

nono ameng has surpassed bumper already