He might as well play the market a bit, even if he gets 55k instead of 50k, it's a bonus
#esports-discussion
weak bolt
raw ermine
Nero
hot heart
They dont have the cash
And he definitely has other offers
But if they could
Yeah
Nero would be amazing
tawdry hamlet
I want nero to go to vancouver that'd be kind of cool tbh
Even if the rest of the team sucks
He could at least be a tiny bit of star power
And dalton isn't the worst of the worst
raw ermine
Agilities was leaked to there no?
raw ermine
I guess
tawdry hamlet
Oooh was he? That's pretty sick actually
tawdry hamlet
He can be the new pogwave
I believe in Vancouver ever since they beat Reign that one time lolol, they can do it maybe
Agilities is a top tier na projectile or genji at least imo
sullen berry
Did Neptuno retire?
@cedar oasis Free agency
tawdry hamlet
Not as good as danteh but very close
I mean agilities in a genji meta got Toronto of all teams to 4th place lmao
plush light
Agilities is a genji roadhog two trick
tawdry hamlet
Yeah but he's a really solid two trick lol
tawdry hamlet
Do the same for Sparkle
Yet people are still hyped about him
I like agilities ok leave me alone 
raw ermine
and gengu
plush light
I could see ksf agilities
raw ermine
reuniting
plush light
Ksf as the flex and agilities as the projectile specialist
How good would pine fl0w3r be as a dps line these days
tawdry hamlet
#freeleave
plush light
There both lft
plush light
fl0w3r as rascal role
Or architect
Imagine if shock sign fl0w3r
Under crusty he would dominate with shock
tawdry hamlet
Yeah but if he was in the shock he'd play like once a month
They were way too stacked
Not so much anymore at least
With rascal gone but I don't think they really need another dps tbh
I just want to see Ta1yo more pls
Im really excited to see how london does
If they get pogwave and a lot of hurricane players they could stomp tbh
next mesa
We'll see how they do in gauntlet first
tawdry hamlet
Fair
I hope the hurricane players aren't a bust and actually perform though
Just afraid lack of competition is the reason they are so good lowkey
I mean im sure this season will be a little rough for a lot of teams since a ton of them are getting fat roster changes
wanton birch
What do you guys think is the biggest move so far , probably between moth or fearless for me
plush light
Fl0w3r is more like budget fleta
@next mesa rascal also plays hitscan. In s1 he played widow and mcree and he played tracer in apex sometimes
keen aurora
carcar retired
raw ermine
yeah
keen aurora
he wasnt that good
balmy wolf
s1 dragons
sullen berry
Altering
great communicator of three languages
but none of that translated into more than 10+ map wins throughout the entirety of season 1
sullen berry
I've never seen a freefeed zen with potential shut down so hard
MG was playing like it was TF2 or some chinese 2D moba
hot heart
Shanghai drop the whole roster and sign all of s1 Shanghai and win OWL s4
sullen berry
drop moon lol
sullen berry
Moon Tank
raw ermine
I wonder who is the worst ms
solar bison
Well, how do you decide that?
Play them on the same team and see who has better results?
raw ermine
look at lucio mercy and brig stats
raw ermine
only stage 4 and playoffs
wasn't a MS role tho
ok lets see here
on lucio
Fiveking seems to be the worst
solar bison
In league history?
solar bison
Ok
raw ermine
damage, elims final blows
ok
maybe those aren't that important
for deaths and healing
carcar is overall worse
solar bison
They are somewhat important
raw ermine
Zebossai has 7.7 deaths per 10
solar bison
Deaths per 10 is probably most important
solar bison
Very passive
hot heart
Who the fuck is fiveking
solar bison
Then again, shanghai probably took a lot of damage
raw ermine
still has 6.2 deaths per 10
solar bison
S1 dragons MS
solar bison
You guys think coma and youngjin deserve spots in the league?
hot heart
Yes
raw ermine
Youngjin is retired so it wouldn't matter
hot heart
Yeah he is
raw ermine
sideshow said how badly he got screwed by 222
hot heart
Coma i think could do good
solar bison
On like justice
solar bison
Coma is Ms
hot heart
My bad
raw ermine
I am gonna test brig lucio and mercy all at once
hot heart
Who's the worst dps all time actually
solar bison
I’m curious
hot heart
Would it be like undying
solar bison
Whos the worst at every sub role
hot heart
And make a team out of them
raw ermine
well this is interesting
solar bison
MT, OT, Hitscan, Projectile, MS, FS
hot heart
Name the team the redemption arc of the millennium
raw ermine
sleepy is somehow last in 2 metrics
solar bison
We will edit them in and make a starting lineup
hot heart
Hmm
solar bison
Which 2
hot heart
So
raw ermine
sleepy is flex
hot heart
Since shanghai got clapped
raw ermine
so i wouldn't put it on him
solar bison
It was sleepy
solar bison
Ok
But now we have FS like Viol2t and twilight who are DPS that can heal
Kinda strange
upper niche
Guys, guys, I just realised something... it's only mid-November.
And we're already speculating about what teams are going to be strong/weak in a 2021 season we don't even know when might start.
Let alone the format it might be run in.
quartz cairn
ngl i think Glads are gonna be strong this yea
rr
just from the pickups we alrdy know
upper niche
Yeah but we said that about Toronto Defiant last year too.
tawdry hamlet
carcar wasn't the worst main support, but he is up there, his lucio actually wasn't that bad in terms of being slippery and mechanically, but Vancouver as a whole was never going to work effectively
idk I feel there has to be someone maybe slightly worse than him but idkk
he is up there
maybe an old backup on a shit team like boston or something had a worse support
then again carcar was barely t500 last time I looked at leaderboards so he isn't fantastic lmao
were the boston supports that were dropped ever any good?
I know myun is but I don't recall seeing anything about the other supports
Yeah but we said that about Toronto Defiant last year too.
to be fair kariv and kruise are pretty solid, and logix was hyped up, and agilities is popular for genji so understandable lolol
noble nexus
moth shu are undoubtedly both better than kariv and kruise on their roles
this glads roster would have to hard throw to not be a top 10 team at the least
tawdry hamlet
I predict toronto and vancouver will be bottom teams next season
unless they make some major pickups
they are going to be dogshit
Logix and Dalton are not enough to carry 
next mesa
logix is just
hot heart
Meh
noble nexus
logix is incredibly meh
hot heart
He has his moments though
hot heart
Damn
Anyway
Logix paired up with someone insanely good
Would be fine tbh
As toronto you should be aiming for like
6th NA
Or 7th
You aint getting top 5
So dont try
But they dont seem to so im not worried about it
I feel like toronto sign 2 or 3 superstars and fill the roster with meh players
I think errror said that
But i agree with it
noble nexus
idk if 6th na is do-able
tawdry hamlet
Hmm, what about Atlanta
will they suck or be mid tier again
hmm
other than dogman they didn't really drop too many great players or anything
saucy was super meh
noble nexus
they made an improvement with Pelican
noble nexus
Atlanta is one of those teams that comes into the offseason looking good but just disappoint every time
I stg
hot heart
Tbh
ATL has a really good dps line
But holy fuck is the rest of their roster just not good enough
Hawk and gator are only really good at double shield
noble nexus
yeah their dps line has always been the best part of their roster realistically
digital cloud
they could do all tanks pretty well in contendies
I still assert it was coaching issues
but hard to say for sure
hot heart
I blame coaches mostly
Like
If they got better coaches
I could see them keep all these players
Maybe upgrade the MT
But for the support line you really need to change it completely
I wanna see ATL pick up Contenders Stars
noble nexus
keep their dps line and just completely restart tbh
hot heart
Id say just add a few more pieces
And just drop all the coaches
Keep gator and hawk as backups
hot heart
Or drop gator
noble nexus
gator hawk are ok
noble nexus
keep them as backups and coach them
hot heart
That and not being great at other heroes
noble nexus
oh yeah definitely
noble nexus
but they can both be coached if they get new coaches
digital cloud
no, hawk joined this year
digital cloud
I mean, gator is a mt
hot heart
Yeah
digital cloud
and sigma has evolved since then
noble nexus
sig is like the most played hero this season
hot heart
But if he can challenge choi
digital cloud
I just think that was quite impressive considering
hot heart
Why not
formal crystal
loud ridge
bum
tawdry hamlet
If hog ball stays meta until the new season chengdu might actually have a shot 
They really need to get a real team together, leave is a solid dps to build around and ameng is a fun gimmicky thing
Who is pretty okay at some other tanks I think
And with baconjack gone they have room to actually improve
Pick up Diya pls
Leave Diya would be a solid dps line
Tbh if chengdu just picked up the dragons releases they'd probably be better than they've ever been
formal crystal
hog ball isn't the meta
formal crystal
it's been majorly ball sigma/dva
and with moira buffs and no changes to any of the good rush comp heroes the winston dva sombra reaper moira lucio might take the dominant comp again
tawdry hamlet
Ball has been pretty dominant from what I've seen, I also saw brig coming back a bit in contenders
But with health decrease I imagine that will stop
A Geguri ameng leave Diya chengdu would be kind of fun to watch lolol
cobalt spoke
Hog is probably gonna be dead again for owl
He already feels dead whenever he plays I to an anything else played well
noble nexus
I'll be surprised if reaper sombra dive isn't dominant with how meta looks right now
sullen berry
Pogging out over CSH
noble nexus
but it depends what the dev team come up with in their crack house
sullen berry
They've probably decided they will make it a challenge and integrate them with Eileen or make it a permaduo with Kaylee and Choisehwan
Build up that synergy
noble nexus
Charge downgraded in their support line tbh
they're looking worse than last season to me
but I've not watched contendies enough to know about their new pickups
hot heart
Glads must've offered a massive bag
noble nexus
I hear MyKayleee is good tho
hot heart
That or shu jumped ship
noble nexus
they would've
idk
Charge were relatively successful imo
considering they shared a region with the dragons
silk frost
kayleee is solid
tropic herald
Kaylee and Sehwan should be a good duo
digital cloud
yes, the only conclusion we can get from that
sullen berry
Transitioning idk
hidden vault
hot heart
yes, the only conclusion we can get from that
@digital cloud ah yes
But since fdgod left
Wonder where xzi goes
silk frost
Xzi wants a mixed roster so...
hot heart
Yeah but where would that lead him
What team has both the money and could attract top players like xzi
And is also planning to go mixed
Or already is
silk frost
Maybe NYXL go mixed
hot heart
I think they might drop sharp
But idk
Or trade him to paris or teams going mixed or western
I think ATL is becoming more korean
digital cloud
they have been pretty korean from the beginning
autumn basalt
all western teams korean rebuilds
karmic grotto
Korean OWL
plush light
Sharp is good
weak bolt
Shockwave is a FA yeah, there was a vague rumour of him to London, but his management agency kind of disputed that
next mesa
some 👏 one 👏 sign 👏 diya 👏
vagrant jacinth
^^^^^
karmic grotto
fuel will annonce hitscon todo
trail perch
Diya to Fuel?
raw ermine
I doubt it. Unless diya can speak korean
trail perch
He said he could shotcall in korean but that doesnt mean much
Maybe he does after being on a mostly korean team for 2 years
sullen berry
Dallas Fuel Happy heh
weak bolt
Fuel is a mystery at the moment, rumours are denying Happy/Diya/Xzi, so I'm expecting Glister
cedar oasis
What about nene
next mesa
I think those would all be a downgrade
compared to happy/diya/xzi
obviously xzi super unlikely honestly
probably happy/diya
one of those + a tracer specialist
fuck it bring sbb
weak bolt
Nenne seems highly rated by people involved in OWL, just not by fans
next mesa
other than super who else
weak bolt
Nearly all the casters/analysts rated him very highly
next mesa
that's just surprising
cedar oasis
Is there a reason Dallas wouldn't want xzi
He has experience with alot of their players
raw ermine
just sign pine 4head
trail perch
Nenne is rly good
especially if they need an extra zarya aside from DPS
Your getting a nutty hitscan with a good zarya on the side
raw ermine
sparkle was the goats zarya for EM
raw ermine
trail perch
ugh
weak bolt
plush light
Nenne is rly good
@trail perch nenne was bad this year
trail perch
This year he wasnt as good as usual
But that doesnt mean he is a bad player
I still wouldnt call him bad
sullen berry
@raw ermine hahaha he did a funny
trail perch
his bad is still better than linkzr or logix in NA
trail perch
I mean, his widow wasnt that awful
next mesa
who played hitscan for chengdu
trail perch
It wasnt the best
next mesa
nah it's bad
trail perch
yeah, and the asian based snipers are insane
Every team had a good one
Glister, GodsB, Happy, Nenne, Diem, Leave, Fits
Pretty stacked roster
trail perch
I was going for more the sniper specialists
trail perch
yeah but like diem>
trail perch
You can also say Bazzi widow...
next mesa
way better than baconjack
trail perch
I would say maybe godsb not glister
shy remnant
bazzi retired start of the season right?
sullen berry
around the first weeks of online play
trail perch
I think... but his widow was good at the start
sullen berry
around the time sinatraa retired
shy remnant
i didnt watch apac at the start od online so i dont know
sullen berry
yeah the month long period of uncertainty was really hitting people differently
trail perch
why
trail perch
But danteh happy?
thats a good dps line
Danteh is maybe the best western player in the league
and happy is a insane sniper
shy remnant
did linkzr leave houston?
trail perch
yeah
shy remnant
oh
sullen berry
https://discordapp.com/channels/94882524378968064/233904315247362048/776703260982509598
on happy mutually parting ways with Guangzhou, it's pretty solid
trail perch
linkzr was just worse
next mesa
happy to dallas doesn't make sense in that case
sullen berry
it's still good to have connections with as many western teams
weak bolt
Houston picking up another top player? maybe they arent doomed
sullen berry
they wouldn't know unless the conversations were heavily leaning towards Dallas Full Korean during the postseason conversations
tropic herald
They getting a new hitscan
shy remnant
and releasing others
tropic herald
Not public yet doe
trail perch
CATS hitscan right?
shy remnant
huh
trail perch
That was the leak right?
shy remnant
idk
next mesa
lmfao
next mesa
ok but danteh/happy might be top 5 dps duo
karmic grotto
every team can have a top 5 dps duo
cedar oasis
Are Houston keeping meko?
silk frost
idk
but I think Danteh really dropped off by the end of last season
if he steps it back up then it might be a really good DPS duo but for now...
I'm not hopeful
trail perch
He dropped off less than jehong...
silk frost
his sombra play went from excellent to awful
silk frost
so has Yeatle
silk frost
I don't like to use ranked as a benchmark for skill, it's so much more chaotic than OWL even at the t500 level
solar bison
True
silk frost
yeah fair
I still don't have much faith
considering how he was as bad as he was at the end of the year, he looked like Colourhex had a concussion
trail perch
Your over exagerating
silk frost
a little
trail perch
chex was still worse
silk frost
but his EMPs were wrong, he was over aggressive, he used cooldowns too fast, there were a ton of poorly used cooldowns, all that fun stuff
trail perch
unpopular opinion, chex was the worst player in owl last year
silk frost
I'd say either Jmac, Muma, or Halo
trail perch
That could have come from bad coaching or poor mental
Not Jmac as worst
I can see Muma or halo
silk frost
I mean Jmac fed like a mother fucker
silk frost
yeah but he was a good IGL
trail perch
Is Jmac?
silk frost
I don't think we heard anything about if jmac did that for london
I believe it was SanGuiNar
silk frost
I could be talking out of my ass tho
silk frost
nah Fusions was alright
tidal ridge
fusions was like D
trail perch
nooooooooo
tidal ridge
not a high bar to cross
silk frost
yeah but I think Gator is noticeably worse than Fusions
silk frost
I mean Fusions impressed me once or twice last year, but Gator never even did that
trail perch
But gator was just consistant
tidal ridge
consistently bad, yeah
trail perch
Fusions had some low lows
silk frost
I hate it especially because Pokpo is a better orisa and gator was probably a better sigma than hawk
trail perch
TRUE
silk frost
like Sephy didn't know what the fuck he was doing right?
trail perch
Sephy is a great person, not a good coach
silk frost
gator/hawk might've been good in contendies but OWL is a different beast, and they couldn't step up to the plate
trail perch
I miss the selfless days
silk frost
EXCEPT FOR GATOR'S SIGMA and DEBATABLY his rein
tidal ridge
how bad was kyky on dallas
silk frost
worst coach in OWL history imo
tidal ridge
didnt he say "u just have to trust me"
trail perch
Love him, I watched a little bit of contendies
Nothing but good things about the chosen one
Its going to be confusing to have 2 chois tho
trail perch
Depends on if they really end up signing SMS
if they do idk about the rest of the team, they my #2
If they dont I think that chinese members can really amplify guxue to pop off
But they wont be as good
cedar oasis
They have architec
solar bison
Where do you rank guxue in terms of main tank
silk frost
top 3
cedar oasis
I think he is solid but not top 3
solar bison
Last year he was definitely really good
trail perch
maybe because spark wasnt as good
solar bison
This year he dropped a bit, but was still good
silk frost
I think it was moreso his supporting cast than him though
like only players I think were better in MT are Sado and Fearless
solar bison
Remember when someone called ameng a gigachad or something in s2
cedar oasis
Idk kinda got worse
silk frost
YOTTACHAD AMENG
silk frost
I don't rate smurf that much
solar bison
Smurf, fearless, sado i think outperformed guxue in s3
cedar oasis
What about hydration
silk frost
I don't think Smurf is amazing
solar bison
Hydration is the best MT to touch OW
silk frost
aight imma have to stop you right there
cedar oasis
Super
trail perch
Good ball
silk frost
Smurf is a very bad ball, did we see the same smurf?
trail perch
Does grand finals mean nothing to you?
silk frost
I will agree his orisa is incredible though, easily #1
trail perch
Smurf styled on marvell
silk frost
I wasn't impressed by his ball
noble nexus
Smurfs ball did what it needed to do
he only got caught out because creative was sleeping him a lot
trail perch
Smurf winston was just better than Sados
noble nexus
he was wasting seouls abilities tho
solar bison
And thats the job of ball
noble nexus
exactly
solar bison
Get CCed
trail perch
Smurf was sooooo goood
solar bison
Ball is just a cooldown waster
trail perch
top 2 mt in NA
noble nexus
ball is just a turbofeeder hero
solar bison
Amengs ball is just built differently
cedar oasis
Mano had a good ball this season
noble nexus
amengs everything is built different
silk frost
I forgot he played ball in the grand finals ngl, and if he's constantly getting slept, that's not unlucky or "Just creative hitting him," that's him getting bad play, and he poked too much
silk frost
he took a TON of damage
trail perch
Hes supposed to get slept
noble nexus
him getting slept is what he's supposed to do
cedar oasis
Top 3 ball
noble nexus
lol
trail perch
That was his job lol
trail perch
Bc it also wastes hook
solar bison
If anyone can take it, its ball
noble nexus
creative isn't firing sleeps into the entire team to hit ball
trail perch
Smurfs ball was top tier
silk frost
I'm aware
solar bison
Cuz ball can survive
silk frost
but he didn't survive, he took too much damage on his way in
noble nexus
ball doesn't auto die when hog looks at him so it's sort of the best case scenario when playing against hog
trail perch
The only thing smurf wasnt top 3 on was like rein
solar bison
Which is why shock have super
cedar oasis
Did smurf play rien?
silk frost
I'll give you a top 8 abll
trail perch
Once or twice i think
silk frost
blal
solar bison
Who is 2nd to only bumper, if 2nd at all
silk frost
ball
trail perch
name 7 players better
noble nexus
Idk if we're being serious bumper could never look that good on rein on any other team
lol
noble nexus
the guy just inted into the enemy team and won cuz twilight slime and haksal
silk frost
Oge, Ameng, Ball (EU contenders if we allow it), Rio, Gamsu I think slightly
noble nexus
yeah s2 was great
silk frost
now I run into the problem of WHO THE FUCK EVEN PLAYS BALL
solar bison
Oge over smurf?
silk frost
yeah his ball was his best hero imo
cedar oasis
Mano?
silk frost
mano is another good one yeah
cedar oasis
Did fate play ball
silk frost
if we do allow contenders players, I think Gaga and 800 in China are better
solar bison
No
trail perch
incorrect
silk frost
Fate's ball is okay
solar bison
Maybe just average
trail perch
Better than smurf?
silk frost
yeah Rio and Gamsu were really good when they played it
solar bison
Rio ball was real good
next mesa
Mano ball
solar bison
Yeah, we said mano
silk frost
they played a much more safe ball playstyle that worked better than the "oh hey I'm slept in front of the enemy team again"
solar bison
Well, meta calls for different things
silk frost
it's fine to be slept, not as fine when you can't get peel OR survive
solar bison
The meta where rio played wasnt with hog
sullen berry
Ameng said during goats era that the best wrecking ball before himself is Rio
silk frost
yeah s2 is where Rio especially shone on Ball
solar bison
Rio>Ameng?
sullen berry
so I think that says a lot about rio, who was pretty disappointing after the regular season
in terms of versatility, I'd pick Rio over Ameng
solar bison
Rio has a lot of potential
solar bison
Guangzhou has a really good team
sullen berry
because you are NOT going to have any adapability running ameng unless it's a counter start that works in their favour
solar bison
They never were super great, but never shit the bed either
silk frost
yeah he's just not a PLAYMAKER, and he shouldn't be, not with Chrong, Neptuno, and Happy on your team
sullen berry
Rio hasn't stated where he's going, now I really want a Rio Jersey
It's literally three letters
cedar oasis
Chrong was a chad
sullen berry
and two numbers
silk frost
lol
solar bison
He’s not staying?
silk frost
he should go to NYXL, I'm sure he's decently cheap
cedar oasis
Is he leaving?
silk frost
I think GZ need a new main tank to change the atmosphere though
sullen berry
More likely that eileen or Rio have re-signed, their player option hasn't been declined
silk frost
it's been a little samey and we've seen how 3 years of a main tank can hurt (HOUSTON)
solar bison
True, they refreshed the DPS and Support roles
silk frost
Guangzhou could be a destination for Yakpung
solar bison
Eileen and Crong have to stay on charge
cedar oasis
What about sado
solar bison
If they dont, waste of talent
silk frost
I feel like Sado to Mayhem makes a ton of sense though
but if he DOES go to Guangzhou then holy SHIT
solar bison
Maybe, they do need a MT
silk frost
guangzhou sado might actually be bad now that I think about it, Mandu and Kariv are very bloodthirsty supports, they need a lower resource player like Rio for them to play around I think
sullen berry
Well let's have look at their roster to date, then 
Choisehwan 
Rio
MyKayleeeee Cr0ng
Eileen
Mandu
Kariv
it would be a disgrace not to have a third tank in this lineup
silk frost
yeah they want to put every resource they have into that DPS and support line
the tank line should be fine
maybe they sign another low resource MT
but who
sullen berry
they've done fine without, it's just for some healthy competition in the starting lineup
silk frost
maybe a chinese prospect like Gaga or Over?
cedar oasis
What about fissure
sullen berry
Gaga is very high
solar bison
Choi boi and MyKaylee are Chinese or Korean?
silk frost
idk he could be molded into a low resource one
sullen berry
on Chengdu's list of must have signings
silk frost
both korean
solar bison
Ok
sullen berry
CSH not choi boi
silk frost
it's choi boi
solar bison
I know
silk frost
because our old choi boi is the choi man
silk frost
Chengdu and Hangzhou probably both want Lige really bad
all out fisticuffs for that man
solar bison
Whats his position
silk frost
off tank
sullen berry
Hangzhou should also go towards Seominsoo
weak bolt
Lige is rumoured to Spark at the moment
solar bison
Interesting
silk frost
easily best off tank in contenders china, probably top 3 off tank out of OWL
silk frost
probably
weak bolt
Spark apparantly want a 12 man roster, so expect a few more people there
sullen berry
I talk to FISMS (the fan guy for SMS meme)
silk frost
he has a potential peak around Crong I'd say
sullen berry
there's no way I see him missing next year
solar bison
12 man rosters are a double edged sword
sullen berry
but you never know with 2021 without any reassurance players want to return after the Vancouver implosion
silk frost
I dislike 12 man rosters personally
sullen berry
according to Charge COO Eddy Meng, it's not going to happen
12 man roster is too expensive just to set up shop for internal scrims
solar bison
They provide some starting lineup competition and some flexibility, but then, its hard to make middle of the year signings, and they can get expensive
sullen berry
when there are better more trained ones in contenders korea who can do the same job really
weak bolt
Have you seen Spark's new house? Money is no object to them
solar bison
True
silk frost
spark not Charge
solar bison
Bilibili is rich
tawdry hamlet
sullen berry
we're not talking actual boston financials
weak bolt
We're talking the Chinese Dallas
sullen berry
no GZ has never really made the most out of a 12 man roster
tropic herald
silk frost
WAIT
tropic herald
LOL
sullen berry
money for roster building has its budget
cloud latch
LOL
trail perch
HOLY SHIT
cedar oasis
yooooooo
trail perch
HOLY SHIT
sullen berry
verified yes
tawdry hamlet
silk frost
HE WANTED A MIXED ROSTER
cedar oasis
DAM
trail perch
POGUUUU
silk frost
WHAT
solar bison
No suprise
trail perch
YESSS
silk frost
OK FUCK IT DALLAS WIN 2020
trail perch
HOLY SHIT
silk frost
20201*
cedar oasis
FUEL
weak bolt
I guess he didn't get offers from a Mixed roster in the end
trail perch
DALLLASSSSS
silk frost
DALLAS WINS
solar bison
20201*
solar bison
@silk frost are you in the future
cedar oasis
FUEL CANT DISAPPOINT NOW
solar bison
Now, if they do, it’ll be more hilarious and sad
weak bolt
They still need a tracer player/backup hitscan imo
cedar oasis
If Dallas fail then they should just give up
keen aurora
oh cra they got xzi
weak bolt
Xzi lost a bunch of last season to a wrist injury, they have to be pretty certain thats sorted to not sign a 2nd
silk frost
if Dallas fail just sign a plat team and I'm sure they'll do better
vagrant jacinth
They did it
tawdry hamlet
A plat team could beat houston any day
silk frost
fair
silk frost
that's how Fuel do it if they shit the bed
solar bison
Yeah
cedar oasis
I don't see a way they can fail
solar bison
Or they just disband
cobalt spoke
Shock roster > fuel roster
solar bison
Maybe
silk frost
not without Moth
tawdry hamlet
Everyone talking about fuel being a let down all the time meanwhile houston out here like 
solar bison
Crusty>Rush
noble nexus
fdgod is barely a downgrade over moth
silk frost
we always knew Houston would be shit
weak bolt
They need to be top 3 NA to meet expectations. Anything below that is a failure
solar bison
S1 dallas anyone?
cedar oasis
These are proven OWL players
silk frost
oh no I think FDGod is the 2nd best main support
karmic grotto
XZI
tawdry hamlet
Ans is a better widow than Xzi but otherwise Dallas looking solid against shock
karmic grotto
I fucking told ya
cobalt spoke
When fdgod goes to shock he's gonna be just ad good as moth
silk frost
only problem is that Moth is so significantly better than everyone ever
silk frost
._.'
weak bolt
NA is going to be crazy this year, with Shock, Philly, Dallas and LAG
sullen berry
@karmic grotto no really, who
silk frost
._.'
tawdry hamlet
Who cares about Philly tho
noble nexus
I think Philly are gonna be worse
karmic grotto
cobalt spoke
@silk frost not really
silk frost
._.'
cobalt spoke
Fdgod is also bringing a way better brig than moth, remember that
earnest leaf
ah I'm loving the new dallas eternal mystic team
solar bison
Ok, we get it
tawdry hamlet
Woah you predicted a reunion of players who played together before who would've thought
silk frost
dude Moth brig was great
weak bolt
Philly have let some players go, if they did that, it's pretty sure they have replacements coming in
sullen berry
you can't spell multiple generations of EM without: Sp9rk1e, Doha, XZI, Hanbin, Fearless and Rush
karmic grotto
@tawdry hamlet I've had faith before anyone else
cobalt spoke
No it wasnt
solar bison
Yeah, i guess
cobalt spoke
Moth's brig was good
karmic grotto
cobalt spoke
Fdgod brig is def better though
weak bolt
Like if Philly sign Rascal, they're right back up there in top ranks
silk frost
who would they get at off tank?
without Fury they need someone like Piggy to make up for it
noble nexus
are philly really gonna be able to replace fury?
weak bolt
Jjanu, or Mek0 are both available
earnest leaf
double hitscan could be a bit iffy for them
tawdry hamlet
But if they don't sign rascal they'll just be a high mid tier
silk frost
I don't think Jjanu and Meko are ready to be on that level again
weak bolt
I think Jjanu is comparable to Fury honestly
solar bison
S4 looking to be hype as fuck with Washington, Dallas, Charge, and Glads rosters looking to be stacked, Shock going for the 3-peat, Philly trying to get stuff done, Dragons trying to remain dominant, and much more roster moves to make teams like spark title contenders
tropic herald
Doha or Sparkle need to get a top tier tracer fast
silk frost
and Paris will wet the bed
solar bison
Well, cheap roster
silk frost
I think Doha can do it
solar bison
What do you expect
silk frost
and fury and jjanu comparable
weak bolt
Dallas still lack a tracer player, and I think their support line isn't as strong as Philly/Shock currently
silk frost
I'm gonna have to disagree
sullen berry
@karmic grotto how did you figure it out before Halo, did you just go by intuition
tawdry hamlet
Paris shipped out their whole ass roster of course they are going to suck s4
silk frost
who's 2021 worst team? Houston or Paris
weak bolt
Paris and London are going for cheap, not for the future
silk frost
you underestimate their lack of power
tawdry hamlet
Probably vancouver or toronto tbh
solar bison
Well, london is planning for future
tawdry hamlet
If london really gets pogwave and promotes some hurricane dudes they could be mid
solar bison
Yeah
silk frost
London will probably beat up on all the lower tier teams next year
tawdry hamlet
Glister Pogwave dps line
solar bison
I wonder what the s4 preseason power rankings gonna look like
next mesa
Xzi ?
solar bison
And its only November
tropic herald
If I was power ranking now
next mesa
Or like
tropic herald
Glads would be my top
weak bolt
Sounds like Xzi didnt get any mixed roster offers worth it
next mesa
Why didn't he join with sparkle and hanbin
silk frost
yeah what mixed rosters even exist
next mesa
Alright makes sense
solar bison
Well, the EM people used their influence to pull him
Or maybe to build hype
And torture us
weak bolt
He probably held out for a bit to see what was available, and then said Fuck it, give me that cash
solar bison
Reasonable
weak bolt
Maybe he was hoping a team like Philly or Shock would come for him
next mesa
And
solar bison
Philly have carpe/heesu
next mesa
Xzi needs to get better at ashe
solar bison
Shock have ans
tropic herald
I’m a MuZe simp
weak bolt
Yes I know they do. But Philly also had Fury a week ago and nobody thought he'd leave
solar bison
Glads have top potential, yeah
tawdry hamlet
Time to watch Soon do everything in paris
next mesa
Also
weak bolt
This off season is like ridiculous to predict. If 2 months ago we'd have said Fury leaving Philly, Moth leaving Shock, you'd all have laughed
solar bison
Muze Space Birdring Kevster Mirror Moth Shu
tropic herald
Pokpo
solar bison
Not bad
worn falcon
So