esports-discussion

[trail perch]

I mean Eskay had that 4400 peak

[hot heart]

In open trials

[noble nexus]

yeah

[hot heart]

Okay let me explain this

In sr

[trail perch]

ranked ladder is very questionable

[hot heart]

Not rank

[noble nexus]

if someone is like 4.6k no point in not trialing

realistically

[hot heart]

Constantly being like around 4550 or something

[trail perch]

Chipsa was #1 DPS in EU

[noble nexus]

chipsa is best to touch the videogame

[trail perch]

And his doomfist wasnt even t5 in owl

[noble nexus]

what's your point

[hot heart]

Could mean You're good enough to trial for OWL teams

But

Its still weird even at that high of an SR

You could be good

But

That could he your peak

[trail perch]

You need competative experience

[hot heart]

And a coach couldnt get more from you

Yeah you do

[trail perch]

And real results

not high rank

[noble nexus]

Muma has experience

[hot heart]

yeah he does

[trail perch]

Is Danteh the best tank in NA?

[noble nexus]

isn't that was this ranked ladder talk is about?

[hot heart]

Danteh is overall a really amazing player

[trail perch]

Muma hasnt had good results since s1

Danteh is insane

[noble nexus]

still experience

[trail perch]

But not the #1 player in NA

[hot heart]

Ranked isnt everything

But

Its important in that you can say okay well im good at the game but i dont have experience

And

Top 30 fluctuates alot

My point is

If you are really skilled and are constantly at that high of an sr

You deserve a spot on a conteders team

To get experience

[trail perch]

So send muma to contenders

[hot heart]

And then maybe an OWL team

Muma to contenders could work out tbh

[trail perch]

He would benefit from reproving

[noble nexus]

yeah but muma could atleast trial owl teams to see if he compares

no harm in doing so

realistically

[hot heart]

Ig

[noble nexus]

he should go to contendies tho

[shy sun]

moth + danteh + iddqd + fills

= win

[noble nexus]

iddqd was bad in owl

[hot heart]

Iddqd lmao

[noble nexus]

he played one map

[hot heart]

Other than his dorado 5k

[shy sun]

iddqd is for the emotional support

[hot heart]

He got boomed

[noble nexus]

yeah he did

he just wasn't that good

[hot heart]

Man

Idk what shock do now

[shy sun]

Honestly.

[hot heart]

If viol2t leaves

[shy sun]

BQB

[noble nexus]

that's the issue with giving popular players contracts

[shy sun]

Build your superteam around him.

[noble nexus]

Idk about viol2t leaving

doesn't seem likely

twilight more likely to leave imo

[hot heart]

Yeah

[sinful sedge]

was wanted ever in owl?

[noble nexus]

seems like he wants more playtime

[hot heart]

But i think as shock

You gotta think about the long term

[sinful sedge]

bc i see him wearing a dallas fuel jersy sometimes

[hot heart]

You've won 2 titles

[noble nexus]

wanted was never in owl

[sinful sedge]

but i dont think he was ever on the team

okay thx

[noble nexus]

he was never owl tier

mccree otp

he also left to play valorant

then jumped off the bandwagon

[hot heart]

But what does it matter if in the long run you just lose that money paying players with extremely high salaries

NRG has mega cash

But like

They think smarter

[noble nexus]

I think they'll trade moth to Glads and pickup Slime

[shy sun]

they'd much rather pool their funds into csgo than owl

[hot heart]

If that makes sense

[noble nexus]

they'll start to play slime and twilight more

and viol2t will want to get traded

so he can full time start

that's my pred for next season

[hot heart]

If they pickup slime they need to revitalise him

Dude was benched all year

[noble nexus]

dude

Trust the Crust

[hot heart]

Ik

[shy sun]

You think Slimes situation is bad?

[hot heart]

Nah

[shy sun]

What about Nevix

[noble nexus]

I could see Nevix going into a coaching position

[hot heart]

But i think he needs a jolt

Nevix as a coach would be good

[noble nexus]

he helped Choi with his sigma when he was on shock

[hot heart]

Dude taught choi how to play sig

[noble nexus]

and Choi is one of the best sigs in the league

[shy sun]

Nah Nevix is still young + a good flex at pro level

[hot heart]

So he def could do well as a coach for less experienced players

Yeah

[noble nexus]

he's still good

[hot heart]

But if i were him

[noble nexus]

as a player

[hot heart]

Id give it one more go as a player

[noble nexus]

but I doubt he wants to compete anymore

[hot heart]

Then if i dont get a good opportunity

Retire as a player

And become a coach

[noble nexus]

when you go from the Shock to Toronto

[shy sun]

Nevix still want's to play its obvious

[noble nexus]

the change is noticeable

l0l

[shy sun]

I believe he's been attempting to build Uni teams

But still wants to get back into OWL

Sucks that teams can't scout talent lol

[noble nexus]

he's taking a break from OWL anyways

so I doubt he comes back till next season

[shy sun]

Ouch atleast he's still willing to give the leauge another try

[noble nexus]

he could be a good midseason pickup for a struggling team next season

[next mesa]

dude

diya's gonna retire

it's an actual fucking tragedy

[noble nexus]

😭

[shy sun]

Hmm

I dont think an OWL team will match Shock

[hot heart]

yeah tbh rn

SHD picked up fatw

And idk about that

[noble nexus]

I think Dallas are the only ones that stand a chance of matching the Shock rn

[hot heart]

Philly just dropped amazing players

Or parted ways

And dallas seem to be the only ones standing up to shock on paper

And even then

[noble nexus]

Dallas need a HS still

[hot heart]

They probably dont have a chance in terms of supports rn

Yeah

[shy sun]

The shit-tier leauge teams need to consider contender pick-ups

[noble nexus]

Justice have upset potential against the shock

[hot heart]

If they pickup diem

[noble nexus]

Diem or happy to Dallas

and they're title contenders

[shy sun]

Mag, Alarm and Leave

Easily OWL-level

[noble nexus]

well I mean they're all in OWL now so yeah

[next mesa]

idk

[shy sun]

Are they tf

[next mesa]

bruh

[noble nexus]

Alarm got ROTY

[next mesa]

wtf

Alarm is rooking of the year

are you high

[noble nexus]

Mag is on Justice

[shy sun]

I haven't watched since S1

[noble nexus]

and Leave is on Chengdu

[shy sun]

Haha

[tidal ridge]

leave was on chengdu this year

[next mesa]

Leave was a bit underwhelming

very underwhelming in fact

but by the end

[noble nexus]

everyone is underwhelming when they're on the same team as gigachad Ameng

[next mesa]

of the season

[tidal ridge]

also mag in season 1 was underage anyways

[next mesa]

he was okay

[tidal ridge]

wouldnt even be able to be siigned

[noble nexus]

they can sign underaged players

just can't start them

well they could in s1

idk if they can anymore

[next mesa]

uh

[tidal ridge]

he wouldve been like 15??

[next mesa]

they wanted to sign mag

in s2

but he was underaged

[noble nexus]

ok yeah if he was 15

[next mesa]

also like

[noble nexus]

then fair enough

lmao

[shy sun]

I want to see OWL teams buy cracked MM one-tricks with Dva bodypillows

[next mesa]

right now shock has a problem

[shy sun]

Nothing else matters

[next mesa]

they don't have a flex dps

they have 3 hitscans

and also moth might leave

so that's a problem

[noble nexus]

I mean Ans played their mei a lot

[tidal ridge]

shock are fine

still top 5 NA no matter what they do

because of crusty

[noble nexus]

Taiyo plays genji

[shy sun]

Okay

[noble nexus]

same with huge large man super

[shy sun]

is iDK in leauge now

[next mesa]

yeah obviously

[tidal ridge]

yeah

[next mesa]

yeah idk is in hangzhou charge

wait

did he get dropped

I forgot

[noble nexus]

might've

[shy sun]

That's a pogchamp. I predicted it wayback in 2017

Is he good

[noble nexus]

eh

[next mesa]

He got chosen for the korean team

owwc

but that's like the only year that they lost

[noble nexus]

hangzhou weren't that good in general

[next mesa]

and everyone was criticizing crusty

[noble nexus]

their dps were great

[tidal ridge]

id be surprised if someone on team korea wasnt in the owl

[next mesa]

should've picked twilight

not idk and bdosin

[tidal ridge]

besides in like 2016 and 2017 when it didnt exist/it was starting

[hot heart]

Yeah crusty messed up

IDK and bdosin wasnt the play

[tidal ridge]

even in 2017 everyone on team korea was on an OWL team lmmao

[noble nexus]

yeah that wasn't the right pick for the WC KR teams

[hot heart]

Team KR is always OWL players

And always on top teams

[next mesa]

@hot heart but apparently twilight didn't do that great in the trials

[shy sun]

team CA is the best

[hot heart]

Honestly

[next mesa]

anyway

[hot heart]

Even if he didnt

Id take him

[noble nexus]

Twilight not playing great is still better than bdosin

tbh

[hot heart]

Twighlight isnt the type of guy to ever really perform badly

Like

At his worst

Still better than almost every FS in OW

[noble nexus]

yeah

[weak bolt]

https://twitter.com/im37_ow/status/1326876829131530241?s=21

im37 (@im37_ow)

@haloofthoughts For anyone wondering, my confirmed reports awaiting announcements:

MuZe - Mayhem

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Twitter · Nov 12, 2020, 1:17 PM

[next mesa]

idk if shock will still be #1

[weak bolt]

Im37 out here roasting halo

[tidal ridge]

how do u guys feel about guangzhou's new sup line

mandu kariv

[noble nexus]

lmao

[next mesa]

it's solid

[noble nexus]

mandu kariv is good

kariv is the weaker out of the 2 imo

[hot heart]

Im37 you chad

[noble nexus]

but he's hella experienced

[next mesa]

I think he's underrated this season, but also at the same time overrated because of his performance against titans last season

[noble nexus]

and he did play on toronto so that could just be his team dragging him down

[shy sun]

From what I've recently GC look like a serious contender for Top 3

[plush light]

Super fills any of the shock's hero pool gaps

[next mesa]

@shy sun no

[noble nexus]

Super plays any and all heroes the shock need him to

[next mesa]

who does charge have

left

[hot heart]

Have you seen dallas?

[noble nexus]

yea GC aren't contenders for top 3

[next mesa]

okay an advantage that dallas has

over shock

is their flex dps

[tidal ridge]

bruh lori basically leaks his signings by just tweeting eyes

[next mesa]

they have doha and sparkle

[noble nexus]

the sparkle mei was kinda not good was it not?

[hot heart]

Nah

[next mesa]

no

sparkle mei was doodoo

nico mei better

[noble nexus]

but realistically what hero gaps are left by Rascal leaving the Shock?

[next mesa]

honestly doha would probably be their mei player

mei

echo

[noble nexus]

Ans played their mei

[next mesa]

every projectile in the game

no rascal played mei

rascal had arguably the best mei my guy

[tidal ridge]

https://twitter.com/Spitfire/status/1326583766815485954

London Spitfire (@Spitfire)

👀 Big news this week!

Likes

1386

Twitter · Nov 11, 2020, 5:53 PM

[noble nexus]

they kept Ans on the mei so he could switch to HS for control maps

[tidal ridge]

i didnt see this

[noble nexus]

didn't they?

[next mesa]

ans only sometimes played when they wanted to also switch to hitscan

yeah but rascal was clearly the better mei player

genji too

[noble nexus]

yeah he was clearly better

[next mesa]

let's be honest

pharah

although striker could play pharah I think

[noble nexus]

yeah I mean striker can play some of the projectiles

but they need Ivy or some shit

Rascal was best echo in the world

[tidal ridge]

every dps player on the shock has at least a little experience with 1 or 2 projectile heroes

[noble nexus]

not even close

[next mesa]

well

fleta was

[tidal ridge]

echo is so fucking bad

so

[next mesa]

arguably

also the best

but in apac

[noble nexus]

oh wait yeah

[next mesa]

anyway

[noble nexus]

Fleta played that hero

[next mesa]

lmao its gonna be his mvp skin wym

[tidal ridge]

who plays echo

[noble nexus]

I never watched apac cuz it was at like 5am for me

[tidal ridge]

???

same

[noble nexus]

apac was also just boring considering shanghai rolled everyone

[next mesa]

who played echo

[noble nexus]

echo is a fun hero smh

[next mesa]

there was a time where echo was meta

[tidal ridge]

watch fleta and alarm pull a sinatraa and haksal

[noble nexus]

two seasons in a row the mvp retires after getting mvp

[next mesa]

wym

only sinatraa retired

oh you mean

[noble nexus]

haksal retired this season

[next mesa]

rookie of the year

[noble nexus]

that

[next mesa]

I was like

jjonak didnt retire

[tidal ridge]

i miss when shock had like 7 dps players

and no backups for tank or support

[next mesa]

anyway it just sucks that

[noble nexus]

Shocks entire team is dps

[next mesa]

if diya was korean

[noble nexus]

they're hyper aggressive

[next mesa]

he would've gotten signed already for sure

[noble nexus]

Diya is chinese right?

[next mesa]

yes

[noble nexus]

rip

[next mesa]

and they need to sign a 2 year contract

because their visas are hard to get

so if you only sign one year it's like kinda not worth

[tidal ridge]

shock has had 5 supports, 4 tanks, and 9 dps players

[next mesa]

either way, it's just an actual tragedy

Diya was probably the best dps player

in contenders I think

[tidal ridge]

diya to chengdu

[next mesa]

unlikely

[noble nexus]

yeah

[next mesa]

in his post he said

[noble nexus]

I don't think that'll happen

[next mesa]

his best chance of getting in turned him down

and when you're chinese

it's either charge or hunters

[tidal ridge]

ok chengdu then use leave

[next mesa]

it's either charge or hunters

at this point, charge makes sense

eileen diya dps

but since that one made sense the most

and he said he got turned down

its like

idk man

[tidal ridge]

i mean guangzhou has a history of being mixed, they might just go full korean with eileen

[gilded dagger]

True

[tidal ridge]

does new york have literally any players?

[next mesa]

they do

jjonak anamo sbb

[tidal ridge]

oh on liquipedia it says they haven't re-signed anyone

[plush light]

Is diem still good

[next mesa]

yes

two timer

widowmaker champion

[tropic herald]

https://twitter.com/muze2401/status/1326921685765742592?s=21

MuZe (@muze2401)

@im37_ow @haloofthoughts LMAOOOOO

Twitter · Nov 12, 2020, 4:15 PM

[raw ermine]

He is really good

[tropic herald]

This entire thread lol

[noble nexus]

Halo getting clowned for one wrong report

[keen aurora]

bruh i fudging swear nyxl better not disband

[noble nexus]

nyxl will still exist

but they either start over without the core they've tried to use for 3 years or they underperform again

[keen aurora]

they've always been at least top 10

[gilded dagger]

Ya

But their team is kinda dead

[keen aurora]

Ye I don't want them to end up like vancouver

[gilded dagger]

Ya

[keen aurora]

stuck with rookies

[noble nexus]

their players are too good for top 10 to be a success for them

[gilded dagger]

But shockwave and dalton r good

[keen aurora]

ikr

[noble nexus]

on paper nyxl were one of the better teams in the league

[gilded dagger]

But like it’s just them carrying

[noble nexus]

but they underperform imo

[gilded dagger]

True

[noble nexus]

also vanc was just shockwave and dalton

[gilded dagger]

They were better when they had like pine ark and memo

[keen aurora]

Thet did rily good in season 1

[noble nexus]

no one else looked owl level

[gilded dagger]

Meko

[fathom apex]

Last time I watched OWL, Shanghai was the worst team, wtf happened? lmao

[keen aurora]

Ye

Shanghai got some better plyers

[gilded dagger]

Ya

[keen aurora]

and improved there game sense

[noble nexus]

Shanghai stopped trying to use a chinese only roster

[gilded dagger]

They just got fate

But that was probably cos of fearless leaving

[noble nexus]

They downgraded in terms of MT

[keen aurora]

they actually won stage 3 season 2

against sf

[gilded dagger]

Ya

[noble nexus]

yeah they were decent towards the end of goats

[fathom apex]

And now NYXL is like 9th or something

[keen aurora]

7th

[noble nexus]

NYXL are kinda not good

they keep using the same team hoping it works

[gilded dagger]

Who thinks fuel might win season 4

[keen aurora]

There roster was sucky this season

ye def fuel

[gilded dagger]

It was ok

[noble nexus]

I think fuel are title contenders

but no saying who'll win

[keen aurora]

they might go full korean

[gilded dagger]

Jjonak honestly under performed

[keen aurora]

they didn't give him much space

or mano

[gilded dagger]

Ya

[noble nexus]

Jjonak's only good heroes are ana and zen

[keen aurora]

thats why mano left

[noble nexus]

he feeds on everything else

[gilded dagger]

They’re coaching screwed them up a little bit imo

[noble nexus]

mano's playstyle didn't align with the teams

[gilded dagger]

Ya

[noble nexus]

and the coaches never tried to fix that

[gilded dagger]

Cos he played conservative

The rest played aggressively

[noble nexus]

yeah

[gilded dagger]

Do u know what happened to flow3r

Cos idk

[noble nexus]

retired I think

[gilded dagger]

Mm

[noble nexus]

he kinda never played

after WC he went to NYXL and they rarely used him

afaik

[gilded dagger]

Ya

Since they had haksal libero and sbb

[noble nexus]

I think flow3r just streams games now tho

[keen aurora]

flo3r went to runaway

then he retired

[gilded dagger]

Mm

[noble nexus]

yeah

[gilded dagger]

Element mystic vs runaway was such a good match. Man the memories

[noble nexus]

and now he streams

EM is basically being remade on Dallas

so that's cool

[gilded dagger]

Ya

[keen aurora]

remember when luntaic-hai vs runaway, the genji gods were going against each other

[gilded dagger]

I think Dallas is gonna sign one more tank mayb even 2 and another DPS

[keen aurora]

Sadly Lw-blue/nyxl lost to runaway in the quarter finals

[gilded dagger]

Idk

Depends on how much money they have

[keen aurora]

They have so much

[noble nexus]

Dallas are rich as fuck

they'll sign either diem or happy

[gilded dagger]

They’re probs gonna go full Korean

[noble nexus]

and get a backup OT probably

maybe Fury

[gilded dagger]

Cos they didn’t resign note or crimzo or and ppl like that

Or dado

[keen aurora]

they should sign diem and happy

[noble nexus]

they didn't resign note crimzo and paintbrush because they were bad

[gilded dagger]

I say happy

[noble nexus]

lol

[gilded dagger]

Cos he had a god tier season

[noble nexus]

diem is better than happy

[keen aurora]

what was it

[gilded dagger]

But a bad coaching staff

[noble nexus]

but diem rarely started full time

[gilded dagger]

Diem is also good but I like happy more ngl

True

[noble nexus]

yeah I like Happy

but Diem is better

[keen aurora]

I didn't rilly see much diem

[noble nexus]

yep

moth gone

https://twitter.com/SFShock/status/1326932772645040128?s=20

San Francisco Shock (@SFShock)

Sadly, today we announce that @moth_ow will not be joining us next season

Moth joined us in 2018 where he became a pillar of this team in and outside of the game and exemplified all the qualities of a Champion

Thank you for supporting us, and we will ALWAYS support you Gra...

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Twitter · Nov 12, 2020, 5:00 PM

[gilded dagger]

No

[keen aurora]

Whos gonna sign super

supers gone

[gilded dagger]

Ik

[keen aurora]

and rascal

[noble nexus]

super will probably resign

[keen aurora]

bruh he was so good

[gilded dagger]

Super will probs resign

[noble nexus]

rascal is apparently going to fusion

and moth to Glads

Glads will have one of the best supp lines in the league

if moth goes there

[mint slate]

WHAT

[gilded dagger]

I maybe rascal to fusion

Because they released ivy

[keen aurora]

BRUH

[noble nexus]

yeah rascal is an improvement over Ivy

[tropic herald]

Glads Morh

[gilded dagger]

Mhm

[noble nexus]

and Rascal wants to start

I assume

[keen aurora]

fusion is going to have a good season

[mint slate]

wtf moth??????

[noble nexus]

moth wanting a bigger bag

[bronze scroll]

yeah, this moth thing was pretty clear

[noble nexus]

mhm

[gilded dagger]

Cos they have moth and ninek

[mint slate]

they can't be 3 times champion now

[noble nexus]

they can be

[bronze scroll]

im expecting an announcement from another team soon

[noble nexus]

yeah

Slime to Shock

I reckon

[tropic herald]

Slime or Unique

[nova wadi]

moth to glads poggers

[noble nexus]

either one would be a good pickup

not better than moth

moth is probably the best MS in the league

imo anyways

[tropic herald]

Idk

It depends on what you want

[nova wadi]

still crying about the fusion ngl

[noble nexus]

LJG is a little too aggressive sometimes

[tropic herald]

I feel like SLime is a better Lucio than Moth but Moth def has the Mercy and Brig advantage

[solar bison]

Yeah, he is

[noble nexus]

yeah Slime has a good lucio

[solar bison]

Slime was titans s2 lucio right?

[noble nexus]

ya

[keen aurora]

Fusion went aggresive

[tropic herald]

Then moth Bap is alright I guess

[noble nexus]

don't need moth on bap when you have viol2t

yepp

moth to glads

[solar bison]

Rascal/Viol2t is better

[bronze scroll]

https://twitter.com/LAGladiators/status/1326934072422137856?s=20

Los Angeles Gladiators (@LAGladiators)

Time to light up the league.

By popular demand: join us in welcoming @moth_ow to our 2021 roster! https://t.co/5JMJ43NSuu

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Twitter · Nov 12, 2020, 5:05 PM

[tropic herald]

@bronze scroll you too fast wtf

[noble nexus]

remember when bap came out and rascal played Shock's bap

[gilded dagger]

Moth and shu holyyy crap

[noble nexus]

that's a real gamer

[solar bison]

Nice

[noble nexus]

moth shu support line fucks

[tropic herald]

If Nero goes to glads

[solar bison]

Glads got to do good

[tropic herald]

I will Pog

[bronze scroll]

Thanks, I knew Glads was gonna get him, thanks to Halo. So i pre made the message.

[keen aurora]

moth is gonna die

[tropic herald]

Toronto Esports type beat

[gilded dagger]

Imma a shock fan boy this kinda hurts

[solar bison]

Space moth have WC synergy right?

[tropic herald]

I guess

[noble nexus]

yeah

[solar bison]

Ok

[noble nexus]

they're also probably friends

lol

[tropic herald]

Muze Space Kevster Birdring Moth Shu

[gilded dagger]

At Least shock have twilight

[tropic herald]

Damn

[solar bison]

Lets just hope dpei doesnt fuck up

[keen aurora]

his reputation is ruined

[solar bison]

Glads roster looking stacked

[noble nexus]

idk why they're trusting dpei with this roster

I wouldn't

[solar bison]

Well, dpei has a decent record

[tropic herald]

I don’t think dpei is HC still?

Or he has actuall support

[noble nexus]

he is isn't he?

[solar bison]

He is HC

[noble nexus]

idk

[solar bison]

Not manager anymore though

[noble nexus]

atleast he doesn't have to do everything

hopefully he can coach this roster into being a top tier team

[solar bison]

Yeah, glads probably need to sign some more coaches though

[noble nexus]

because they have the potential

they need to sign more

[solar bison]

Get some assistants in there

[next mesa]

what the fuck

@yobu

[solar bison]

Yeah, they have top 5 potential

[gilded dagger]

Ya

[next mesa]

what the fuck

I mean

[solar bison]

What?

[next mesa]

I expected it

but like

It's still huge

[solar bison]

Watch glads get rascal

[gilded dagger]

Honestly shock and Shanghai is still looking strong fuel and glads are looking good

[solar bison]

Washington looking good too

[next mesa]

and justice

[solar bison]

Charge getting some buffs

[next mesa]

I feel like rascal goes to philly but idk

[solar bison]

Maybe

[next mesa]

Halo says

gladiators are his favourites?

[gilded dagger]

What if charge gets rascal?

[solar bison]

No way

Why would he go charge?

[noble nexus]

nah I reckon rascal to glads is the most likely choice

[solar bison]

Yeah, he has played with birdring and moth before

[next mesa]

charge has eileen

[noble nexus]

unless fusion are winning the bid war by enough money for him to not care about old teammates

lol

[gilded dagger]

Rascal to glads or fusion

[next mesa]

I dont know if the tankline is enough

[silk frost]

IVE BEEN SAYING IT FOR A WHILE

[next mesa]

to be championship contenders

and dps too

[silk frost]

RASCAL BIRDRING DUO

[next mesa]

space is good, but there are much better ots

[gilded dagger]

Glads will probs replace legatee with rascal

[silk frost]

RUN IT BACK

[next mesa]

muze is unproven in owl

[solar bison]

Yeah

[noble nexus]

Space is incredibly consistent

[solar bison]

Space is top tier though

[next mesa]

still dont know about kevster

[noble nexus]

he's not the best

[next mesa]

there are better though

[noble nexus]

but he's good enough to contend with some of the better OTs

[silk frost]

Only 1 person can ever be the best

[next mesa]

like void choi hanbin crong, he's not at that level yet

[silk frost]

Space is damn close

[solar bison]

I mean, yeah, especially when you have people like crong void hanbin choi in league

[next mesa]

yeah

[solar bison]

You cant beat them

[next mesa]

he's not in the S tier

[noble nexus]

Space has only ever been dragged down by bad teams

imo

[solar bison]

Space is A-B tier

[next mesa]

yeah

[noble nexus]

Space doesn't really have bad matches

[solar bison]

And he does have the skill

Mechanically

[gilded dagger]

He’s goood he’s just underrated I think cos of all the Korean tanks

[solar bison]

Yeah

Korea will always be producing top tier talent

[next mesa]

He's just not on your mind

when you say

best off tank

[gilded dagger]

Mhm

[solar bison]

True

[next mesa]

I dont know if birdring and kevster will be enough

[noble nexus]

birdring rascalllllllllll

[next mesa]

oh yeah they also have mirror

[solar bison]

Well, birdring has had an up year s3

[noble nexus]

mirror just kind of exists

[solar bison]

Mirror is decent

[gilded dagger]

Ya

[solar bison]

They did do good with mirror

[gilded dagger]

They don’t play him tho

[solar bison]

True

[noble nexus]

^

[next mesa]

mirror was on

zarya lmao

[solar bison]

Yeah

[gilded dagger]

XD

[solar bison]

I wonder, was void always that good or did Moon coach him better than Dpei

Same with decay

[gilded dagger]

Tbhidk

[solar bison]

I mean, in season 2, glads did pretty good in the finals

[hot heart]

So its finally been announced

[noble nexus]

I always thought Decay was pretty good

[hot heart]

Moth shu backline

Sweet lord

[next mesa]

decay was like

the most hyped dps right coming in

[gilded dagger]

Decay was rlly good

[next mesa]

but he did kinda bad with glads

[gilded dagger]

Ya

[next mesa]

his zarya wasn't that great in goats

[gilded dagger]

Pretty sure he hated fuel

[next mesa]

for void

[solar bison]

I think dallas got a steal in the oge decay trade

[hot heart]

Thought you meant decay for a second lmao @next mesa

[solar bison]

Decay did better than oge

[next mesa]

yeah I meant decay

[gilded dagger]

Ya

[hot heart]

To think glads had OGE void decay on the same roster

[solar bison]

Oge decay was a trade

[next mesa]

not OGE

[solar bison]

Oge to glads, decay to fuel

[next mesa]

didn't they trade oge for decay

[chrome cosmos]

Moth

LMFAO NVM HE ALREADY IN A TEAKA

[solar bison]

Imagine if void decay stayed on glads and they acquired shu and moth

[gilded dagger]

That’s op

[keen aurora]

holy cow thats op

i seriously wanted decay on nyxl

[gilded dagger]

Void space decay bird ring moth and shu

Woowoowowowo

[keen aurora]

op

[solar bison]

Whos the mt

Muze i guess

[trail perch]

SUPER

[true hound]

Viol2t on seoul pls

[gilded dagger]

Nooo

What about super

[solar bison]

Super glads main tank

I think

[balmy wolf]

^

[true hound]

Imagine the combined power of profit and Viol2t

Insta championship

[gilded dagger]

Omg

And gesture

That scares me

[solar bison]

Season 4 hype is insane

[gilded dagger]

Yay

Ya

[solar bison]

Watch it disappoint

[gilded dagger]

XD

[next mesa]

jehong back to seoul

[solar bison]

With boston on number 1

[next mesa]

sign whoru and esca

[solar bison]

And fuel 20

[next mesa]

lets go

[gilded dagger]

Lmaoooo

[solar bison]

I think fuel will have to disband if they get 19 or 20

[gilded dagger]

Lmao

[solar bison]

The shame would be to much

[gilded dagger]

If they do end up there

[next mesa]

with this roster

[gilded dagger]

It’s a waist of money XD

[next mesa]

it's impossib

[plush grail]

whoever gets esca jhong

[next mesa]

elol

[plush grail]

wins

[next mesa]

@plush grail agree baby

[keen aurora]

it'll be sad if fuel doesnt win

[solar bison]

Well, i dont care if fuel win or not

I care if they get bottom 4

[gilded dagger]

They just need to place high

[next mesa]

this season will be a failure if they are not at least top 3

[gilded dagger]

I want fuel to win cos spr9k13 is my fav player

[solar bison]

I guess

[next mesa]

with that kind of roster, yeah

[solar bison]

But there are so many stacked teams

[gilded dagger]

Ya

[solar bison]

Shanghai, San Francisco, LA, Washington, Dallas

[unkempt gale]

rip fusion

sado and fury gon

[gilded dagger]

Does eternal wanna be full French or full euro

[solar bison]

Maybe fusion

[unkempt gale]

big L

[raw ermine]

God damn sfs

[earnest leaf]

So now that moth gone is official

[raw ermine]

Moth is gone

[earnest leaf]

Who do they get

[unkempt gale]

wait what

[plush grail]

being a nyxl fan rn is suffering, fusion yoinked mano, charge yoinked mandu and the others just left

[unkempt gale]

moth gone is real

[raw ermine]

I thought they would get mandu

[unkempt gale]

no way

[gilded dagger]

They have twilight and viol2t

[keen aurora]

same im an nyxl fan

[plush grail]

maybe fdgod

[solar bison]

Get slime

[gilded dagger]

It they need another support

[plush grail]

fdgod is a good lucio

[keen aurora]

bruh we dont need fdgod

[next mesa]

fdgod is not on the same level dude

[plush grail]

and they only really need a lucio

[gilded dagger]

Fdgpd will stay with eternal

[keen aurora]

we need eileen and happy

[gilded dagger]

Cos they’re going full French or full euro

[keen aurora]

not eilleen

[next mesa]

slime is probably only comparable one

[keen aurora]

diem

[next mesa]

oh

I meant for shock

[noble nexus]

Slime to shock is what I've been saying since moth to Glads leak

[gilded dagger]

Someone answer me, is eternal going full French or full euro

[noble nexus]

we don't know

[keen aurora]

idk

[plush grail]

full budget

for sure

[next mesa]

def not going full french lol

the options are so limited

[plush grail]

also full french is also full EU pog

americans smh

[noble nexus]

nah they got a fat bag for trading hanbin and sparkle

[gilded dagger]

Ya

[noble nexus]

no way they go budget

[gilded dagger]

They could sign shockwave then

[keen aurora]

rip kairv-aglities combo

[noble nexus]

unless they're being stingy

[plush grail]

paris is fucking broke

wdym

[keen aurora]

kariv and agilities combo gone

[noble nexus]

they traded hanbin and sparkle

to dallas

[plush grail]

yeah

[noble nexus]

same with rush

[keen aurora]

ye

[noble nexus]

that's got to be a fat bag

[plush grail]

because they couldn't affor their big fucking salary

[keen aurora]

shadowburn needs to go back to eternal

[plush grail]

paris is going full budget EU

[next mesa]

@noble nexus they literally said they are going budget

[noble nexus]

wait did they

[next mesa]

in their post

yeah

[plush grail]

they said that like weeks ago

[noble nexus]

I thought they said they weren't

[next mesa]

that was the dragons

the dragons said they aren't going budget

[keen aurora]

oof

[noble nexus]

ohhhhhhhhh

yeah it was dragons

[plush grail]

can't pickup shadowburn when you can't even pay 1/5 of his contract

[gilded dagger]

Lmao

[keen aurora]

anyone remember sayaplayer?

[noble nexus]

ya

isn't he on a valorant team now?

[keen aurora]

i think

[gilded dagger]

Where did seominsoo go

[keen aurora]

idk

[gilded dagger]

Did he retire?

[plush grail]

seominsoo became a full time binding of isaac rebirth streamer

[gilded dagger]

O

[keen aurora]

he retired

[gilded dagger]

😢

[weak oyster]

Missing Ria rn

[plush grail]

seominsoo never retired?

he's just inactive

and not lft

[keen aurora]

why u friend request me

@gilded dagger

[bronze scroll]

tomorrow is going to be a big offseason day.

[gilded dagger]

Rlly?

[keen aurora]

rilly?

[noble nexus]

most contracts end

I think

[bronze scroll]

Tomorrow or the day after

[keen aurora]

oh ye

[noble nexus]

either a lot of pickups

or a lot of retirements

[bronze scroll]

tomorrow is the last day for teams to extend options

[keen aurora]

No people make there desctions

[bronze scroll]

untill 23:59 Pacific time if i am correct

[noble nexus]

I'm leaning on the side of retirements

[keen aurora]

ye

[gilded dagger]

Myb

[bronze scroll]

most teams wont wait that long, but after that they all become free agents

[keen aurora]

pacific is the most behind timezone

[bronze scroll]

actually, one second

[gilded dagger]

Yes

Imma shock fan boy

[keen aurora]

yessir

[noble nexus]

ShOcK fAnS mAlDiNg

[next mesa]

@cobalt spoke how are you feeling

[cobalt spoke]

Sad

Why

[next mesa]

do you want to talk about it

[cobalt spoke]

No

[plush light]

What is it

[stuck radish]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooo moth

[bronze scroll]

Okay, done, here we go:

[gilded dagger]

What

[next mesa]

👀

[bronze scroll]

used too many new lines.

[mint turtle]

filter mutes 😻

[bronze scroll]

back now, let me do it in smaller messages

okay, multiple messages mute

oh well

asked a mod to send it for me,

[mint turtle]

Players becoming free agents starting 13-11-2020 23:59 if their team does not take the option:

Colourhex

Jinmu
Ameng
Elsa
Lateyoung
Kyo
Yveltal

Rio

KSF

Libero
Saebyeolbe
Anamo
Jjonak

NicoGDH
Soon
Benbest

Poko

Fits
Illicit
Marve1
Michelle

ok cool i dont get muted

[bronze scroll]

thanks @mint turtle

[mint turtle]

pog

[hoary wigeon]

Hi, I'm looking for an overwatch team.
I play support (moira main) (flexible)
High Gold
Dm me if you want further information

[mint turtle]

npnp

[bronze scroll]

nice

[mint turtle]

@hoary wigeon try lfg channels

[bronze scroll]

anyway, thats what i wanted to send @gilded dagger

[hoary wigeon]

Ok thanks

[bronze scroll]

those are all the players becoming free agents tomorrow

[gilded dagger]

Epic thx

Literally every single good nyxl player

Pomo and fits are big

And Jimmu and amenh

Ameng

[bronze scroll]

i mean, they will become free agents if the teams dont excercise their options

[gilded dagger]

True

[bronze scroll]

so the teams could still say he we want to keep you, and then they dont become free agents

[gilded dagger]

Wait but Seoul just resigned marve1

??????

[bronze scroll]

did they?

[raw ermine]

yeah

fits marve1 and creative

[bronze scroll]

oops my fault, missed that one

cross checked both liquipedia and the OWL provided contract tracker. to see if they had not been released early. You cant see resigns on those (at least not the way i used it)

my fault

[silk frost]

Can we real quick talk about the shu moth support duo

That shit will mega slap

[raw ermine]

yeah

Toronto Esports reunite

[vagrant jacinth]

Moth to glads

[bitter summit]

Just a general question- how many of you would be genuinely interested in getting engaged with their favorite teams/players in the OWL?

[vagrant jacinth]

Anyone know anything about im37?

[raw ermine]

He was the path to pro speedrunner

[bitter summit]

If you’re genuinely interested in being apart of a community that does this, you should check out Espo.io 👀 it doesn’t cost any money. And we’re genuinely trying to bring fans of esports closer to their teams

[vagrant jacinth]

Carpe resigned!

[raw ermine]

re-signed*

[vagrant jacinth]

*re-signed

Lmao

[raw ermine]

yeah

Im37 went from open division to OWL in 3 weeks time

[next mesa]

@bronze scroll seoul re-signed marve1, fits and creative

[vagrant jacinth]

Holy fuck

[next mesa]

👍

[raw ermine]

joined toronto, played with them, got benched for mangachu,logix, and ivy

got released

went to different contenders teams

got signed to Uprising acad

then loaned to WGS

won contenders korea

and is here now

Carpe back was already obvious

[gilded dagger]

Yuh

[vagrant jacinth]

Ty

Hype to see him in action then

[gilded dagger]

Is im37 good never heard of him

[raw ermine]

seeing as he was OWL ready in 21 days from his P2P start

and won contenders korea

probably

[worn falcon]

Gib me Mano and Meko on Philly pl0x

[vagrant jacinth]

Wonder who else reached out to moth. Goes he had a few offers

[worn falcon]

almost any team with monies

[hot heart]

Probably like atlanta

[worn falcon]

he is not cheap for sure

[raw ermine]

best MS in OWL can't be cheap

[vagrant jacinth]

Yeah moth making money

[bronze scroll]

@next mesa yeah, i was made aware of that. Unforunatly i had to ask a mod to post the message because anti spam limitations, so i cant edit the message

[next mesa]

oof

[worn falcon]

but thinkin, any team with monies, mixed or non full korean were the ones bidding for moth i guess

[bronze scroll]

So, looking at the carpe is back tweet. I feel like there is 2 options right now. Either fusion is posting this like he guys, yesterday sucked, but remember, at least we still have carpe. Or, option 2, we will get more signings/returns today, in which case, i am expecting the next one in about 45 minutes. At 15:30 AST.

[raw ermine]

probably gonna be an "alarm is returning" post

[tidal ridge]

NOOOOOOOOOOO MOTH

[raw ermine]

yep

He's crossed the state

[tidal ridge]

nero to glads?

toronto esports reunite?

[raw ermine]

That's what I thought

yep

[tidal ridge]

shock will not go b2b2b

super to glads

imagine

i will become a glads fan

[raw ermine]

nah

[tidal ridge]

my 3 favorite western players would be on one team

[raw ermine]

they got muze

[tidal ridge]

i mean shock had smurf did they not?

and super still played and was a decent backup

[keen aurora]

whos im37

[raw ermine]

P2P speedrunner

won contenders korea with WGS

[tidal ridge]

didnt he get signed to defiant from ladder

[raw ermine]

sorta

within 21 days, he went on an open division team, got signed to a contenders team, and an OWL team

[tidal ridge]

speaking of defiant

free KDG

[raw ermine]

no

He needs a chance

he had a blank slate

and is molding a team

[tidal ridge]

KDG gets signed, toronto might be a superteam
Beast gets re-signed

>Beast gets re-signed

[raw ermine]

thats true

but he probably has a plan

[tidal ridge]

but this means

toronto doesnt want to be a superteam

they just want to be higher than bottom 15

[raw ermine]

well who knows

at least KDG signed him

as opposed to management

[tidal ridge]

most forgettable team in the league right now is atlanta

because theyve done jack shit

[raw ermine]

they have leaks tho

[tidal ridge]

what are their leaks

[raw ermine]

pelican joins them

[tidal ridge]

mm

also waiting for erster

to get re-signed maybe

even though he had a disappointing year

u know what coach could make him rascal? the coach who made rascal rascal

erster to shock

[keen aurora]

i hope sbb,jjonak and anamo stay

[silk frost]

Erster overrated imo

[autumn basalt]

wtf moth joined glads

[keen aurora]

just becuz he got a 4k with pulse bomb stuck it on a oirsa doestnt mean hes good

i got a 5k with a pulse bomb before

[autumn basalt]

nice

[keen aurora]

thx

[autumn basalt]

ur technically better than