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tropic herald
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Actually

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Wait no

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Just 2

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Shanghai or Florida

digital cloud
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if Houston could get him

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that would solve a big problem of theirs

solar bison
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No way sado goes houston

limber pine
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could go to Shanghai if the Fate deal falls flat

hot heart
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Yet mano went to fusion

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Honestly

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I think its better that shanghai go for sado

digital cloud
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is stand1 really so bad that they need sado after fearless left?

next mesa
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they have fateeeeeeeee

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also stand1 isn't bad but like

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idk about his rein and monkey

solar bison
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Sado to shanghai makes sense

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Cuz shanghai like to go aggressive

hollow gazelle
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but moon worked with fate before

solar bison
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True

limber pine
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they don't have fate yet

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AFAIK

next mesa
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yeah but at this point

digital cloud
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the speculations tend to be pretty accurate for these things generally

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not perfectly, but it isn't too much of a stretch

vagrant jacinth
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Yo sado gone

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100% will find another team though

raw ermine
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yep

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would have said to toronto to be with KDG, but they have beast so??

hot heart
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What if beast is just a backup

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A shit one

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But nonetheless still a backup

weak bolt
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Sado to Florida, Fate to SHD

edgy tinsel
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WHAT

solar bison
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Interesting

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Maybe they pick up meko or gargoyle

raw ermine
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nahh

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cracked player

edgy tinsel
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meko isn't better than fury

next mesa
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fury to seoul

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ok

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easy dub

solar bison
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Yeah

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Seoul need an off tank

edgy tinsel
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i don't wanna see gesture fury again tbh

hot heart
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????????????????

sullen berry
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Fury traded or in FA

hot heart
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Wait

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What if Washington get fury

edgy tinsel
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YES

hot heart
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And trade jjanu

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Dude

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Id love that

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Mag Fury

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Holy

next mesa
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it kinda makes sense though

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mano fits better with poko playstyle

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imo

weak bolt
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Fury to Seoul

next mesa
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yes

weak bolt
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Reuinite the trio

next mesa
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well

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not bdosin

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anymore

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sadge

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wait

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profit

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my bad

balmy wolf
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What’s everyone’s favorite team?

edgy tinsel
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Reuinite the trio
@weak bolt nah

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Gesture Fury not again

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pls

next mesa
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why

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are you scared 🗿

balmy wolf
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Huh

edgy tinsel
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i just dont like that duo

plush grail
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wait is fusion gonna fucking pick up mano + meko

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are they really gonna do this

balmy wolf
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Whatever

trail perch
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maybe

edgy tinsel
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and i dont have trust in that tank duo after s2

plush grail
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meko mano would fuck tbh

edgy tinsel
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sado fury was better imo

trail perch
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But like fury fearless?

edgy tinsel
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no

trail perch
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yes

edgy tinsel
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its fearless hanbin

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already confirmed

trail perch
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its not that weird to have 2 off tanks

edgy tinsel
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fury and hanbin

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neither will ever be a sub

trail perch
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poko fury

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both where subs

edgy tinsel
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not really

trail perch
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super smurg

edgy tinsel
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fury was the main starter

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it was mainly sado fury

trail perch
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Money is what counts

next mesa
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im telling you dude

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fury to seoul

vagrant jacinth
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Wtf fury too

next mesa
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old timers

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RUN IT BACK

trail perch
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nah, gesture is mostly washed

next mesa
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how is gesture washed

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explain

trail perch
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his rein winston and orisa arent as good as they used to be

next mesa
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after seeing his hog fuck in the playoffs and you say he's washed

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ok boomer

trail perch
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his rein was never very good

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but his hog is fire

next mesa
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they have marve1

trail perch
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but his other characters are not so much

weak bolt
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Gesture just kind of disappears in normal matches. He’s still a top tank when he tries

next mesa
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gesture is

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more explosive

trail perch
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Marve1 would make it a marve1 fury tank line

next mesa
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sometimes he's dogshit

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that's when they play marve1

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marve1 is very consistent

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he's like

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budget mano

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but with a godly sig

solar bison
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Yeah

limber pine
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Fury was a free agent according to the OWL article anyway

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he would have had to be re-signed to stick

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Sado had a Nov 13 option deadline

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!!owl2021

young fractalBOT
limber pine
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28 players have a Nov 13 option deadline, so I suspect the next few days will be busy

silk frost
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Wtf sado AND fury gone?!

karmic grotto
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Yes, it's business

worn falcon
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Mano / Poko then

karmic grotto
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Fury not gone?

worn falcon
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best duo OWL

limber pine
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fury gone as of a few minutes ago

silk frost
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They kept their worse tank duo

worn falcon
karmic grotto
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oh wait

worn falcon
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He gone

karmic grotto
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xD

limber pine
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I think Mano is a fine replacement for Sado

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Philly's strength isn't their tank play anyway

karmic grotto
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Fusion is going to get a fresh KR tank

silk frost
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I think Sado is significantly better imo

worn falcon
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But poko isnt good replacement for Fury

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:P

silk frost
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I think poko and fury are closer than sado and mano

worn falcon
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I would argue Mano and Sado are like sidegrades.

limber pine
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probably

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Sado got better because he had a better team

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Mano will be fine

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it'll be interesting to see if they get another off tank or let Poko handle it

silk frost
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Idk I think Philly are gonna be worse next year at this rate

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That will be very interesting

limber pine
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Right now, it's likely they'll be a little worse, but some teams have been very inactive

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who knows what teams like Vancouver and London are doing

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"officially"

silk frost
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Well we know what London are doing

limber pine
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that's why I said "officially"

umbral zodiac
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fusion will get a new offtank

silk frost
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But Vancouver should still be low-mid tier based on who was kept

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Do you think Fusion want Piggy?

worn falcon
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Vanc, London, Atlanta, Toronto

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LOL

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oh Outlaws too

silk frost
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Bro Toronto picked up Beast we know where they going

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And Houston still has Boink

limber pine
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I mean, we don't

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not really

silk frost
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2021 houston will be 2020 dallas

chrome cosmos
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Ayo hold up fury???

limber pine
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lots of teams haven't done a lot expect get rid of players. It's too early to tell where everybody will be

chrome cosmos
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As well

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?!!!

trail perch
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2022 houston 2021 dallas?

silk frost
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Only team I don't think we can make a decent guess about is probably NYXL

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Don't know if they'll be restarting like London 2020, keeping some pieces, restarting full western, going mixed, or what

limber pine
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a lot of teams are in that situation

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Houston and Vancouver have 3 players signed

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Toronto has 2

silk frost
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I guess, but I have a bad feeling about where Houston is going, considering I really didn't like his play by the end of the season

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Danteh being his

formal crystal
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Houston only has 2 players signed I thought?

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Unless Boink was on a longer than 1-year contract?

limber pine
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!!owl2021

young fractalBOT
limber pine
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Hydration and Danteh

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Meko posted a LFT but I guess technically isn't gone

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Boink had his option declined, but hasn't posted an LFT

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so technically 2, maybe 3

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There's just a lot of uncertainty to make real arguments about things

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Unless you're Dallas

sullen berry
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Yeah most won’t be able to afford to gut their entire roster, not even Boston can sustain it themselves

raw ermine
silk frost
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Finally china getting the respec it deserves, 3 players from CC have received rumors of pickup

vagrant jacinth
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LONDON NEWS COMING POG

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Bro, Philly releasing everyone

chrome cosmos
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Bro wtffff

vagrant jacinth
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Sado, fury and ivy damb

chrome cosmos
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Not even a philly fan but pain

raw ermine
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ivy gone?

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signing rascal 👀

chrome cosmos
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SMEX SMEX WHAY TIME IS IT

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WHAT TIME IS IT

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ITS HIGH NOOOONONONONNO

plush grail
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PHILLY IS CLEANING

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every hour a new philly player drops

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imagine if they fucking drop carpe holy shit

raw ermine
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carpe had a 3 year contract starting last year

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unless he retires or gets traded

plush grail
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carpe might want to get traded tbh

weak bolt
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Carpe aint leaving if he joins another team he isn't getting the star treatment he does at Philly

tropic herald
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Carpe play with Diem pagshake

balmy wolf
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Dropping fury was a big mistake

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Shoulda been Poko

plush grail
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poko is hot

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poko not get drop

vagrant jacinth
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Poko is too beautiful to be dropped

plush grail
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poko is strange tho

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sometimes he legit looks like a model

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and sometimes he looks like a trucker

limber pine
vagrant jacinth
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Get you a tank who can do both

raw ermine
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Now were gonna get to the stage where A LOT of players are on their 3rd team

plush grail
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fissure was just ahead of the game

raw ermine
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fissure for 5th team? plz

plush grail
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fissure is built different

next mesa
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no ivy no eqo

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they are getting rascal boys

limber pine
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THAT would be something

weak bolt
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I just can't see Rascal to philly

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I reckon Erster

silk frost
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I thought Philly would keep their roster

limber pine
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!!owl2021

young fractalBOT
karmic grotto
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ivy gone

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IVY TO FUEL

limber pine
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Ivy and Fury on expiring contracts

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Sado on a Nov 13 exercise

next mesa
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why to fuel

limber pine
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Maybe Fury and Ivy leaving was their decisions

next mesa
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they already have 2 projectiles 🤔

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yes maybe

limber pine
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sparkle's mei was terribad

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Ivy can be that "play the weird roles" type of player

next mesa
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doha's mei doe?

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idk

limber pine
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I don't recall doha's tbh

next mesa
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I recon doha will be their mei

limber pine
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somebody on reddit said Sado, Fury, and Ivy rejoin KDG in Toronto

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*could rejoin

vagrant jacinth
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Yeah sparkles men was dire

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*mei

tropic herald
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Beast is on Toronto already doe

limber pine
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they did a mixed roster in philly (kinda)

weak bolt
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Honestly Ivy on Shock wouldn't be a bad call. He's reliable, and maybe has high potential

raw ermine
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if they did

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omfg

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I would cry tears of joy

tropic herald
raw ermine
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dump jjanu

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get fury

weak bolt
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I think whichever doesnt go to Justice, goes to Seoul

next mesa
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as a seoul fan

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that's a dub either way

weak bolt
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yeah Seoul have their pick assuming they're willing to pay

balmy wolf
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Mag fury would go hard

karmic grotto
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Justice really wants to win, don't they

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Can't have mag and Fury

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That's illegal

formal crystal
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Based on the current off-season changes, many more to come, washington and dallas are looking both like top 5 teams

edgy tinsel
raw ermine
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damn

next mesa
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pog

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now titans is officially

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shit tier

cursive gyro
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Wtf

worn falcon
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WAIT WAT

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wiat

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that is bait

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the Carpe one

raw ermine
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PHI_fusion

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that can't be real

tropic herald
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That’s fake lol

next mesa
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WHAT

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yeah

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it is

worn falcon
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yeh, that one is a fake

next mesa
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man, fuck off

raw ermine
worn falcon
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Man, Ivy is a top flex DPS

raw ermine
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hmm

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Danedd+Shockwave

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cracked

worn falcon
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Ivy to Shock would be nice PauseChamp

karmic grotto
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Both projectile?

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Or not

raw ermine
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nah

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shock isn't projectile

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danedd is

karmic grotto
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@worn falcon aPES_Crab

silk frost
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ok what is philly DOING

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nvm fake

mint turtle
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@balmy wolf no

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Don't beg here

balmy wolf
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ok

vagrant jacinth
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CARPE

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OMG

round spire
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wait so

vagrant jacinth
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Oh, it's bait

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Jesus christ

round spire
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can someone explain to me why fusion is releasing so many people even tho they've won two times in a row

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i dont really watch the owl but ive been trying to get into it

raw ermine
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?

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won what?

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they haven't won OWL

round spire
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wait they havent

raw ermine
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that was san francisco

vagrant jacinth
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Fusion haven't won owl yet nah

round spire
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oh shit

raw ermine
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twice in a row

round spire
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LMFAO

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got the oranges mixed up 💀

raw ermine
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those players became free agents, and either got better offers, or fusion didn't want to pay them

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covid makes it hard to have a lot of expensive players

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even if you win a lot

next mesa
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fusion hasn't won SHIT

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it's tragic

raw ermine
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yeah

weak bolt
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It's all a ruse, Ninek still works for Shock, and has infiltrated Philly to make them self destruct

raw ermine
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2nd s1 stage 2, 2nd s1, 2nd summer showdown, 2nd countdown cup, 2nd NA s3,

weak bolt
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Crusty master plan is to send his apprentices into other teams so they can allow him to win

raw ermine
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confirmed guangzhou too good?

weak bolt
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Yep, and Houston

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Take those 3 teams out, easy win for Shock

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It's why Harsha went to Titans last year, look how well that worked

raw ermine
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Sabotaged them so hard they came second

tropic herald
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@ leakmafia_OW got some spicy leaks but idk the accuracy

raw ermine
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yeahhhh

tropic herald
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These leaks are big, if true

raw ermine
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this is kinda

next mesa
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I would take happy over glister but

raw ermine
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"what about this???!!!"

next mesa
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who has the better tracer

raw ermine
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"AND THIS???!!"

tropic herald
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But the account is real fresh doe

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I’ll jump on if these leaks are true

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But proceed with caution

raw ermine
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450-500k per year?

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or what

next mesa
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that's actually insane

weak bolt
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No way anybody is being paid that much

raw ermine
weak bolt
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450-500k gets you a whole team for a year

raw ermine
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thats all the teams he trialed?

tropic herald
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Probably

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We can cross a few of those off

weak bolt
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Or he's just trolling on twitter

tropic herald
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Glads Boston and Atlanta

lusty heron
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500k for overwatch

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Bruh

next mesa
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to be fair

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we don't even know player salary

lusty heron
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I need to get gud

tropic herald
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Tbf GaeBullSsi is low key insane

weak bolt
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I could maybe understand 450-500k if it were for a 3 year contract

tropic herald
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It’s also very possible that’s a multi season contract

raw ermine
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this guy again

vagrant jacinth
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I'm dying for London news

tropic herald
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Philly also has ComCast money

next mesa
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Im37

weak bolt
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im37 is already on their academy team isnt he? Not a major guess

raw ermine
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bad pach ratio'd him with "who tf is this guy" in the comments lmaoo

tropic herald
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Ok

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Pog I guess

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We have an immediate leak that will verify this guy or prove they are a phony

weak bolt
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Got to admit that isn't an overly hot leak either, it's been pretty obvious

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London already said earlier today they'll do a coaching announcement tomorrow I think

vagrant jacinth
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Yeah they did

tropic herald
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Yeah we knew it was BH coaches

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But why no fischer?

weak bolt
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Maybe he remains at BH to keep the academy team going

next mesa
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dude those like

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past leak proofs

tropic herald
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That tweet is so low risk high reward lol

next mesa
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I could screenshot one of yall predicting

tropic herald
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Screenshot this

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Shu to Glads

next mesa
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yeah lmao

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super getting carried

earnest leaf
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as per usual

digital cloud
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nothing unusual there

next mesa
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yep

earnest leaf
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kind of a shot in the dark

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But does anyone know the average time it takes for a roster move to be announced after halo leaks it?

weak bolt
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yeah honestly those screenshots could be taken from this channel

earnest leaf
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yea if you make a bunch of guesses, you're bound to get some right

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lemme make one

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Rascal will be signed to philly

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ez

tropic herald
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NineK on Philly

next mesa
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exactly

tropic herald
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Philly dropped Ivy

next mesa
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I could screenshot your message

tropic herald
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🧐

next mesa
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blur your name

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like

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ok boomer

weak bolt
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Wouldnt be hard to photoshop a date in either honestly

next mesa
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the only way to confirm his shit is just

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to see if they come true or not

noble nexus
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yeah I mean faking discord shit is so fucking easy

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especially when you blur names

raw ermine
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yeah

noble nexus
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if the London leaks are true tomorrow

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then fair enough

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but idk man

weak bolt
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See, @tropic herald called it like 3 weeks ago

noble nexus
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lmao

weak bolt
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That took all of 3 mins in Paint. His proof doesn't exactly seem very realistic

earnest leaf
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like halo said

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we don't know, will just have to wait and see

noble nexus
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just have to wait and see

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ya

next mesa
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this off season is still pretty juicy though

noble nexus
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although I'd love to see Rascal go to Glads instead

next mesa
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Fuel 2021 champions depends on their hitscan baby 👀

earnest leaf
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inb4 they sign jerry

noble nexus
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Justice got there first

next mesa
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jerry washington already doe

noble nexus
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l0l

next mesa
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stoopid

earnest leaf
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ah I forgot

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too many roster changes

noble nexus
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I really don't understand that signing

weak bolt
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Just sign Blase for hitscan

next mesa
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diem or happy

noble nexus
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both

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lul

weak bolt
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Happy & Stitch or Diem & Stitch

next mesa
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are there any free agents that got good tracer

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they need a tracer player yeah

weak bolt
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Soon

noble nexus
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probably a good contendies player

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or soon yeah

next mesa
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def not soon doe he aint korean

weak bolt
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but they'll want Korean

next mesa
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whats his name

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Ace

noble nexus
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soon might not get a team this season

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which is depressing

next mesa
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wait no

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but some guy in contenders

weak bolt
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Can probably pick up a tracer specialist from Korean contenders easy enough

noble nexus
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yeah there is probably a fair amount of good KR tracer players in contendies

next mesa
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Can any of them compete with

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I'm not gonna say striker

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At least like idk decay danteh level

weak bolt
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Maybe as a tracer 1 trick, but I suspect if they could play anything else at a high level, they'd already have been picked up by teams

next mesa
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But like

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The good dps players haven't really

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Gotten picked up yet right

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Like valentine mer1t assassin

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(just some names I know lmao)

tropic herald
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Perfact

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Arrow

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Stellar

cobalt spoke
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Wait

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Put diem on philly

tawdry hamlet
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Danteh Hydration roster for the win

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Ez dubs

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Philly really said bye

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To the entire roster OmegaLUL

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Minus alarm

vagrant jacinth
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Lmao danteh

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Fury to Seoul, reunite the boyss

silk frost
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oh no please don't ruin fury too

tidal ridge
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UM

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WHAT HAPPENED TO PHILLY

raw ermine
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yeah

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they gotta save some money

vagrant jacinth
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Philly blowing apart their championship competing roster

tidal ridge
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philly top 20 in the league

raw ermine
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what if sado just reverts to a hyperfeeder in his next team

tawdry hamlet
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Wasn't everyone just saying philly was gonna be top 5 lmaoo

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Now that they blew the ass open on their roster I guess a mid tier reign like performance

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Depending on if they get rascal or not

raw ermine
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TLDR: Immortals might sell the Valiant franchise

tawdry hamlet
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Also, did anyone else find carcars retirement post as kind of arrogant af considering he was never better than low mid tier regardless of team

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Just came off as, "I made the money im bouncing" because nobody would pick him up anyway

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Be like if dalton retired and said, "this game sucks the devs suck they ruined it it's been fun im gone"

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Idk why he thinks dive or rein zarya meta is that bad. Rein zarya, ball hog, and dive and even sigma are all viable

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That's better than it's been in a long time

plush light
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Did carpe get released?

solar bison
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I dont think so

tidal ridge
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@tawdry hamlet he was the worst player in the league this season imo

tawdry hamlet
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No carpe didn't

raw ermine
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ahahahahhaa

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Look at the name of the team in 4th place

digital cloud
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lol

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Dreamkasper remains in our minds

tawdry hamlet
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Oh I've been curious why was there a team called drama alert nation before they changed to tornado

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Was it like a keemstar reference or just a name lol

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Just a weird brand thing I guess

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Like doge just meme team name I guess

silk frost
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don't mention voldemort ):<

tawdry hamlet
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My bad bro I spoke the forbidden name

silk frost
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no Grike did

tawdry hamlet
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Fax

high basalt
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sado left fusion?

next mesa
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yes

silk frost
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SADO TO TORONTO?!

keen aurora
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wtf is phily doing

silk frost
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idk lmao

next mesa
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if they are getting rascal i mean

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sure dude

balmy wolf
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im surprised fury was let go, very few OTs like him

next mesa
balmy wolf
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now this is interesting

true hound
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Kariv mandu

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I think it has good potential

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I think kariv is quite good, just bogged down by shit team

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obv people overhyped him a lot because of his insane showing against the titans/that stage

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but he’s nutty

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it isn’t much but during the echo flash ops tournament he got subbed in and just smashed

tropic herald
stuck radish
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moon wanted fate

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so gg

bronze scroll
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dang it @tropic herald you beat me to it by like 3 characters

tropic herald
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Lol

bronze scroll
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oh well, guess it aint a race

tropic herald
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I saw it pop up in my notifs

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And bolted

bronze scroll
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yeah, same

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you forgot the Tank though

silk frost
#

Fate wanted him too bad

tropic herald
#

ive been going without the tank emotes

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just the role emotes in general

silk frost
#

I think that's a downgrade for Shanghai, anyone arguing against that?

tropic herald
#

lot of extra typing when it can just be a reaction

bronze scroll
#

oh, i thought they said those were part of the preset.

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i mean its just :da, :su or :ta and then tab, but okay

tropic herald
#

idk

bronze scroll
#

anyway, imma go offline, so consider yourself on duty for any other announcements 😝

tropic herald
#

never got a preset or templet

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have fun

bronze scroll
#

same to you

tawdry hamlet
#

So i predict fusion picking up rascal and then running budget tank line

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and hoping the rascal carpe can carry

next mesa
#

Makes sense to sign mano

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Have all their resources f
Go to dps

tidal ridge
#

dude moon wanted fate so badly

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lmfao

tawdry hamlet
#

Yeah surprised they dropped ivy though, he was easily better than Heesu

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But ivy isn't tracer specialist

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So I guess makes sense

tidal ridge
#

as soon as fearless fucking told the org "i wanna play for that team"

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moon got fate

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wonder how much he paid

hidden vault
#

We still don't know who is going to replace moth as ms in shock

tidal ridge
#

his name is SLIME

hidden vault
#

Was that confirmed?

#

I would expect justice to make a play for slime to be honest

noble nexus
#

I doubt Justice can pay more than shock

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plus twilight is on shock

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don't even know if moth is going to LAG for certain

balmy wolf
#

wonder who is gonna go to florida

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dragons seems fine if they dont drop more players

noble nexus
#

sado to florida probably

umbral zodiac
#

slime isn't confirmed to go to shock

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there hasn't been any big rumors about shocks new main support

balmy wolf
#

tbf this off-season is gonna be long as hell compared to the last 2

sullen berry
silk frost
#

LMAO

sullen berry
#

No more valorant first strike updates

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Tyler erzberger and Emily rand who did Overwatch League coverage for them

tawdry hamlet
#

Oh well, off to publish it on a better site me hopes

weak bolt
#

Mayhem, please sign Sado and not OGE. ty

plush light
#

Mayhem, please sign bumper

edgy tinsel
#

no

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lmao

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please no

hot heart
#

Bumper to boston

#

They instantly move from 20th to 1st place in OWL

plush light
#

Bumper, the new one man boston squad winning the overwatch league playing on 6 computers at once.

cedar oasis
#

Fissure to mayhem

cobalt spoke
#

Moth to glads pretty much garunteed

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Covid = no homestands, no homestands = no money, no money = you cant keep god rosters

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Shock can win 3 out of the 4 possible championships this year and still cant keep their entire roster

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Fuck that guy who ate the bat redsWeird

tough wharf
#

Fuck that guy who ate the bat :redsWeird:
@cobalt spoke sorry it seemed like a good idea at the time

weak bolt
#

Shock have plenty of money to keep their players, but that doesn't guarantee the players want to stay long term

cobalt spoke
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Moth left because he wants the bag

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I'm pretty sure rascal left because he wanted to start though

weak bolt
#

Doesn't mean shock couldnt afford to keep him. They may just not think its worth the value others offered

cobalt spoke
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He is the best proj only dps in the entire game

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Isnt that and not having enough money basically the same thing? Basically what im trying to say is that shock pockets arent unlimited this year

weak bolt
#

Having the money, and being willing to spend it is different

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If Glads offered Moth 300k a year, and he's on 150k at Shock, they might not think its worth it. Doesn't mean they couldnt afford it if they did

cobalt spoke
#

Exactly

weak bolt
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That's Shock putting value on players, not them lacking funds

cobalt spoke
#

Ok

weak bolt
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NRG are loaded, and would easily match any other org for salaries if they considered it worth it. But it's a case of smart business vs throwing money at something and hoping

cobalt spoke
#

I got it

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So players leaving is still driven by money though

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And that males me saaaaad

noble nexus
#

when you're Crusty you don't need proven players

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just make new players good

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4head

weak bolt
#

Players are employees at the end of the day, they have such a limited career life, you've got to make most of it

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Most players get what, 1-2 years? High end 3-5 years, and in exceptional circumstances maybe 10-15. That's not long really

cobalt spoke
#

@noble nexus true

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Boink to shock

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Make him a good main support player

noble nexus
#

when moth goes to Glads I hope Shock get Slime

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and play twilight more for synergy

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obvs keep playing viol2t cuz he's best FS

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but y'know

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twilight is good too

plush light
#

Shock should just pull up with super on flex dps to replace rascal

raw ermine
#

Mandu kariv is cracked

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Fate could be a potent main tank with moon's coaching

weak bolt
#

Mandu Kariv is nice, I hope they add a 2nd FS from Contenders as well for the experience/chance honestly

hidden vault
#

Bumper can go back runaway:)

weak bolt
#

Does Bumper actually still play OW? He;s been out of the scene for a year now

raw ermine
#

He probably does a bit

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But not at an owl level

vagrant jacinth
#

Niceu fate to Shanghai

noble nexus
#

Bumper is far above OWL level

#

he's transcended

hot heart
#

I think philly messed up big time

#

Releasing fury and ivy

#

If they get rascal ivy leaving makes sense

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But fury?

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Makes 0 sense

weak bolt
#

unless they want Mek0

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or Fury wanted to leave honestly

#

Bernar might be an option too, will have some synergy with Mano

limber pine
#

Fury and Ivy were free agents

#

it's possible they didn't want to come back

hot heart
#

Fury is probably wanting to actually win something

#

And since philly dont have a single tournament win

#

Idk man

#

Fury to seoul is probably the play now

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And ivy could go to Any team in the league tbh

#

Shock could pick him up even

raw ermine
#

Fury to seoul would be gg

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Fits is the new age birdring

#

And tobi is nus but better at everything

next mesa
#

And profit is fucking profit baby

cobalt spoke
#

Dont paste that in this channel

#

I think seuol is gonna be the best team next season probably

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Other than shock ofcourse 😜

noble nexus
#

I disagree with that

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Seoul weren't even that good last season

trail perch
#

TRUE

noble nexus
#

they went 12-12

trail perch
#

also the tank line for seoul is underwelming for everything not hig

noble nexus
#

they got lucky with meta

trail perch
#

hog

noble nexus
#

their tank line is 2 MT's

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lol

trail perch
#

Which is not very flexable

#

and even if they get fury, fury gesture was only ever REALLY good in dive

noble nexus
#

I think they're a top team if they get Fury

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but even then they're a bit meh

weak bolt
#

Seoul need a good OT, and for Profit/Gesture to play at their playoff standards all year to be a top team

noble nexus
#

Profit and Gesture just kinda carried

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Fits swagged out

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but even then there are better HS

#

I think Dallas are favorites to win next season

weak bolt
#

Not sure on favourites, but they should be pushing top 3 NA with that roster.

noble nexus
#

I think Shock are still gonna be the team to beat realistically

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unless they fuck up and don't get a good MS

weak bolt
#

Shock yeah, Philly should still be up there, especially if they add some good additions

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Justice if they pick up a decent support line & keep Jjanu

cedar oasis
#

And boston

#

The only way is up for them

noble nexus
#

I don't think so

weak bolt
#

19th would be an improvement for Boston

noble nexus
#

they kept c-hex

#

they're still the worst team so far and houston only has 2 players

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lmao

weak bolt
#

Boston could be ok with some decent coaching. They'll not be a top team, but they could sneak some wins I think

noble nexus
#

Boston will only win against the other bottom feeders

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like Vanc

#

but even then it'll be a close game

#

from what I can tell from their offseason so far

weak bolt
#

I reckon they could sneak wins vs Vanc, London, Atl, LAV, Defiant

cedar oasis
#

I wonder if Atlanta will heed good next season

noble nexus
#

Valiant?

#

No way Boston can sneak wins in against LAV

#

they'd have to pull some shit out of their asses for that

weak bolt
#

Valiant weren't great last year. They kind of lucked into the Ashe/Tracer meta which heavily favoured them with ksp and shax

noble nexus
#

most teams were favored with that meta lol

solar bison
#

It wont be easy, but it wont be impossible

noble nexus
#

it's possible

#

not likely

#

Valiant were good last season

#

Boston were the worst

weak bolt
#

If Boston pick up 2 more dps, and come in with some decent coaching & confidence, I wouldn't rule them out of those kinda teams

solar bison
#

Well, valiant havent made any moves yet

weak bolt
#

Boston just always looked lost last year, like they never had a game plan or even a plan b

solar bison
#

Or at least announced them

noble nexus
#

The only move Boston made that's good is keeping myunbong

#

they lost Jerry who was one of the only good pieces

solar bison
#

And punk

noble nexus
#

and Punk

#

yeah

weak bolt
#

Fusions/Punk are decent enough, and Chex is ok if you can let him play what he's good at, rather than forcing him mcree

solar bison
#

Punk has potential

noble nexus
#

Punk Jerry and Myunbong were the only players on that team that looked half decent

weak bolt
#

Boston had 6 players last year, so they had no flexibility at all. Hopefully they fix that this year

solar bison
#

Yeah, and actually spend some money

noble nexus
#

considering the way this season went

#

I doubt they're willing to spend any money

#

with how little they made

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cuz no homestands

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or winnings

weak bolt
#

I think if they pick up 2 hitscan style dps, a MS, and maybe another tank, they'll be in a much better place

noble nexus
#

Fusions isn't it imo

#

he's a good rein specialist

#

and they should keep him

cedar oasis
#

Is roar still playing ow?

weak bolt
#

Fusions really isn't that bad. He's good at Rein/Orisa. Maybe pick up a Monkey player

noble nexus
#

but get a better MT for everything else

#

Roar isn't in OWL anymore

#

I don't think anyways

cedar oasis
#

Roar was good before owl

#

I think

noble nexus
#

yeah he was

#

then he want to Glads

#

and yeah

#

he just plummeted to the bottom of the barrel in terms of MT

#

Glads and then to Justice when they weren't good

weak bolt
#

Honestly if Boston picked up Soon, Im37, Fdgod and then found a winston player, they'd be sorted

noble nexus
#

I doubt they can afford Soon and Fdgod

#

unless they both get desperate and get low contracts

weak bolt
#

Who else is gonna pick up Soon?

cedar oasis
#

Boston could get nene

noble nexus
#

a better team than Boston hopefully

weak bolt
#

Only other team for Soon would be Defiant, Spitfire or Houston realistically

noble nexus
#

I could see Soon going to Houston

weak bolt
#

I think his heroes cross over with Danteh too much for Houston

noble nexus
#

aren't defiant trying to get their Canadian players tho?

weak bolt
#

Nobody has a clue on Defiant. They said they wanted to win, but then signed Beast as MT

noble nexus
#

oh wait yeah Danteh didn't abandon ship

#

lmao

#

Spitfire are getting the all BH lineup I assume

weak bolt
#

I honestly think Boston could pick up some decent players who are going to be willing to take 50k salaries to stay in OWL

noble nexus
#

Fdgod is a role star and he's gonna have to take a 50k contract with Boston

#

l0l

weak bolt
#

heck, stick Muma on Boston as a Monkey/Ball specialist

cedar oasis
#

Couldent Boston get WHORU or is he not in OWL anymore?

noble nexus
#

not sure what's up with him

cedar oasis
#

He could be paid very little

noble nexus
#

but I think I remember him retiring

weak bolt
#

FRD/Pokpo both available as tanks, unlikely to see new teams

noble nexus
#

wasn't Pokpo rumored to be going to another team?

weak bolt
#

Not seen anything on Pokpo, was that the Yakpung rumour for NY?

noble nexus
#

ohh wait yeah

#

similar names

weak bolt
#

Kruise is still technically available for a MS role

cedar oasis
#

If pokpo goes then philly have no ot

weak bolt
#

Pokpo was on Atl, you're thinking Poko

cedar oasis
#

Wait

noble nexus
#

pokpo and poko are diff people

cedar oasis
#

I got confused

#

My bad

noble nexus
#

yeah names are a letter off

#

and both play tank

#

basically same person

weak bolt
#

Boston could pick up Soon, Im37, Kruise and FRD as potential free agents at 50k salaries I bet.

noble nexus
#

how good is Im37 anymore?

weak bolt
#

He's been doing well on Boston Academy

#

So likely to get promoted

#

There is quite a lot of talent out there still available honestly, and thats ignoring Contenders players

noble nexus
#

yeah I'd like to see some new fresh contendies bois in OWL

#

I still can't believe how good Ans ended up being considering he was just a streamer and t3 player right?

weak bolt
#

As long as Boston have options on their roster, and don't restrict themselves to 6 players, I think they can be mid tier

worn falcon
#

This is a Thonk

noble nexus
#

they are heading in the right direction if they're picking up Im37

#

just need another MT with a better hero pool

#

and a MS

weak bolt
#

Key thing is to have more than 2 dps, so they dont have to play Chex on hitscans etc.

noble nexus
#

C-hex's widow was one of his better heroes imo

#

that and genji in the one tourney that genji was good

weak bolt
#

His hero pool is weird, it's like Widow/Genji/Pharah

noble nexus
#

yeah he has a weird hero pool

#

he's ok when he's on his comfort picks

#

he's dreadful when he plays heroes he isn't comfortable on

trail perch
#

Hes dreadful on most characters

raw ermine
#

Colourhex mei. Yikes

trail perch
#

Prob one of the worst DPS in the league

#

Maybe worst

#

Like send back to contenders bad

#

maybe OD

hot heart
#

Nah

#

Colourhex needs to really up his on the heroes he plays

#

I think he can improve as a player

#

Since he doesnt have to worry about learning characters he doesnt want nor know how to play at all

trail perch
#

Remember s2, his zarya was one of the main reasons his team was garbo

hot heart
#

So his picks will improve much more

trail perch
#

He isnt owl level

hot heart
#

Eh

#

On his heroes

#

I think he definitely is

trail perch
#

which heros?

hot heart
#

All heroes

#

Not really

#

Pharah genji

trail perch
#

His genji was awful this year

hot heart
#

His tracer actually improved during parts of the season

#

Individually i think he wasnt too bad

#

Boston just fucking sucked

trail perch
#

His tracer had some good momments, but one character being good isnt owl level

hot heart
#

And the kind of genji that was played was based on playing around the team

trail perch
#

I dont think Sparkle played around the team, they played around him

hot heart
#

Yeah

#

But

#

You need to work with the team

#

Is what i meant

#

And boston couldn't suppott him at ALL

trail perch
#

C-hex was the weakest link of a team of weak links

#

As well as fusions and halo

hot heart
#

Even if he was insane chances are he'd still get fucked

#

Yeah

#

He wasnt the strongest on boston

trail perch
#

But jerry, mbong and punk wherent that bad

noble nexus
#

realistically if they kept those 3 and rebuilt

hot heart
#

Jerry myungbong and punk

trail perch
#

But they kept fusions and chex

hot heart
#

Boston honestly could've been decent next year

noble nexus
#

they'd do a lot better than keeping c-hex and getting rid of Jerry

hot heart
#

Relatively decent at least

#

But hey

#

They might pick up im37

#

So im fine with that

#

But you need more dps

#

Especially another hitscan

noble nexus
#

if they pick up Im37 they're on the right track

trail perch
#

one player cant carry a team, especcially a team with HuK

hot heart
#

Decay

trail perch
#

The only reason they lost crusty in s1 was because of him

#

For playoffs all of justice showed up

hot heart
#

HuK is a fucking pepega

#

On dallas

#

Not Washington

trail perch
#

HuK single handedly ruined a team

#

Dallas had Doha

#

And gamsu

#

The team on paper wasnt that bad

noble nexus
#

Dallas got fireman lifted by their dps line

hot heart
#

Eh

trail perch
#

Aero was just the worst

hot heart
#

They were bad

true hound
#

decarry

noble nexus
#

Aero was a terrible coach

trail perch
#

The org was a mess

hot heart
#

At best average

#

At worst

#

Bottom 4

trail perch
#

I was a dallas fan last year, and the prob was the org mostly

noble nexus
#

their supports and coaching were the worst part of that team imo

trail perch
#

Each of the players besides paintbrush was individually good

noble nexus
#

keep dps and tanks

#

get new supp and coaches

#

and that would've been a top tier team

#

imo

#

well

trail perch
#

I wouldnt say top tier

noble nexus
#

almost top tier

trail perch
#

Note...

noble nexus
#

oh yeah

#

note

#

yikes

trail perch
#

But decay doha was insane

noble nexus
#

onigod was good too

trail perch
#

yeah, but he was compared to decay

noble nexus
#

when they lost decay onigod had to try to deadlift them

trail perch
#

But this year....

noble nexus
#

onigod should get a team

#

he's insane

trail perch
#

Paris i would say

#

or vancouver

#

maybe london

noble nexus
#

dude what are Paris even planning

hot heart
#

London wont be bottom tier

trail perch
#

who knows

noble nexus
#

what can they even plan

hot heart
#

Def not if they pickup BH

trail perch
#

British hurricane will own owl

hot heart
#

Paris though

#

They are looking kinda fucked

trail perch
#

Like runaway

hot heart
#

Vancouver is probably bottom

noble nexus
#

Paris might be bottom feeders next year if they don't start to spend their money

hot heart
#

Paris at least have the money to do something

trail perch
#

what money?

hot heart
#

And have fans

noble nexus
#

they traded their players

hot heart
#

Ye

noble nexus
#

hanbin and shit

trail perch
#

They could sell Xzi and buy 2 players

hot heart
#

They made insane cash

#

Sp9rk1e hanbin and rush

noble nexus
#

they traded most of them and their coach to Dallas

trail perch
#

But how much did dallas pay?

hot heart
#

Probably a huuuuge fucking bag

noble nexus
#

so that's got to be a fat bag that they can spend on players

trail perch
#

They could have sold them for bottom bc the org is going under

noble nexus
#

Dallas are the richest org in owl they had to be paying a fuck ton

hot heart
#

Yep

trail perch
#

But they could have lowballed paris

#

and took advantage of the budget problems that they had

hot heart
#

They didnt

noble nexus
#

nah I doubt they would have risked Paris just laughing in their face at the offer

#

lol

hot heart
#

Sp9rk1e and hanbin probably had other Huge offers

noble nexus
#

yeah

trail perch
#

true

hot heart
#

And dallas paid the most

#

So

#

They got a bag

trail perch
#

so they are just choosing to go budget?

hot heart
#

I dont think they're going budget

trail perch
#

I mean, trialing muma

noble nexus
#

we don't even know if they are going budget

trail perch
#

and western players

hot heart
#

But i dont think they're gonna pay huge cash

noble nexus
#

I mean it's worth a shot to trial muma

#

he's got experience

hot heart
#

Weirdly enough

trail perch
#

He lost everything he had after s1

hot heart
#

Muma got like

noble nexus
#

no reason not to trial him

hot heart
#

Top 40

#

If im not mistaken

#

Like last week

trail perch
#

In what?

noble nexus
#

yeah muma has been doing good on the ranked ladder

trail perch
#

Ranked ladder barely matters

hot heart
#

Eh

noble nexus
#

idk about that

trail perch
#

Punk was number 1

hot heart
#

If you constantly get top 50 or top 10

trail perch
#

Hes not the best off tank in the league

hot heart
#

You are a really good player

#

Obv he isnt

#

If he played in KR servers

#

He'd get fucked

noble nexus
#

Punk got number 1 and then stopped queuing didn't he?

trail perch
#

He did that while KR players played in NA

#

during owl

#

No, he still queued

noble nexus
#

ok nvm

#

there was an owl player that got number 1 and just stopped queuing

#

like a beta male

#

😔

trail perch
#

For that entire season, even when choi was in the region

#

Space and Punk had the top spots

#

Not super

#

not Hanbin

hot heart
#

Still

noble nexus
#

comp sr still matters, otherwise teams wouldn't have a minimum sr requirement for trials

trail perch
#

Ranked ladder doesnt matter that much

hot heart
#

Being a constant top 40

#

Or like

#

Top 10

#

You're probably OWL level

trail perch
#

Is Fran owl level?

#

Shes been GM since like s2

hot heart
#

Probably not

#

?

#

Man

trail perch
#

With a 4500 peak

hot heart
#

4500 is a minimum for some teams