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compared to the other talent that flooded in S3 Logix is meh
no context mayhem survey
i got a 99 on it 
considering i'm not their target audience
41 is solid
considering I have no idea if robin hood or cash had anything to do with the Mutineers instead of Mayhem
fleta deadlift is when you get 50%+ kill participation right
Well done! You got them both right! The corporate partners of [Florida Mayhem] are SoFi and Frontier Communications.
fleta deadlift is when you get 50%+ kill participation
Final blows
A “Fleta Deadlift” is the name for the scenario a player accounts for 50% or more of their team’s final blows in a map, and was named after the player Fleta who performed this feat on team Flash Lux.
Fleta Deadlifts are tracked by their “Size”, corresponding to how close the player comes to the 50% target of the team’s final blows. The player earns a “Full Deadlift” when they reach a size of 100% in a map or match win.
Full Deadlifts have been achieved on single maps, but no player has earned one in the Overwatch League… yet.
that's precisely why it's become a stat in the first place
people looked at fleta and thought "why aren't they winning throughout season 1?"
so on a per map basis, this is a genuinely nice thing to track
lmfao
the coaching was actual joke
yes let's put (at the time) best flex support player on tank
jesus imagine if libero and fleta were on the same team
the pauses in beteen maps for a rerun is insane
I assume it's because the original contenders stream is normally this long
cursed map 6 run for IR
Current and past Charge academy lineups facing off against each other
Heh
yeah I think GZA.T1W had stunted their growth
But I'm impressed they've actually managed to drive them to become a top 2 team with reliable tanks in Silver3 and Highbee
this is gonna be amazing
hell yeah
hang on
spoilers for contender's china
wait
that doesn't work
fuck
whatever
spoiled
yeah I'd quit on spoiler tags
for a top region that's not talked about on most discords
wdym
this one should be good, without spoiling anything
i just need to know how they fare, not so much the results these days
just don't look at Liquipedia the spoilers are on there
like in EU and the british hurricane streak
yeah except CC probably have the best player between the 2 teams there
lul Yaho
gets two ticks solo on hanamura
and they needed a primal winston to defend the point
ok but why tf did cc switch diya to ashe
when he crushed on tracer
they should have just kept him tracer and innovation on ashe
probably why they lost with 2 minutes remaining
when they dominated busan
what's been happening?
bilibili probably going to lose unless cc choke
then cc will be 2-0
yeah bili is getting 4-2 imo
they have 3 minutes to draw
if cc win this
I am the prophet
lolll
one of these points will be capped in OT
I still think cc the better team but their first round not running mercy and switching their dps was kind of wack
I mean I guess they comfy on brig
but mercy on 2 cp is nice
well yeah lmao
player wise
but bili actually putting up fight this match
just surprising me I guess lmao
reminds me of season 1 2020
also kind of new to watching contenders I assume the academy teams always do really well vs others?
lmao that's some hammond movement right there
nah CC dominates and BLG is good
but Flag Gaming and T1W are better
fair enough
CC is just nasty tho
oof
China: the C9 region
lmao 6 ults and time
bili might actually win
nice
oof
team cc how tf they do that
it's CC

I see defiants going budget again
And not even good budget
So if he doesnt get picked up he retires
How hasnt he gotten offers
I guess he isn't that good
He was actually pretty decent on Houston
The Justice have declined my option for 2021, we are still in talks for my return but I am open to hearing offers from other teams as I make my future plans. I can be reached at [choul99@naver.com or discord JJANU#6672].
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Welp
Budget teams are in a position they can wait it out and cherry pick the good left overs for dirt cheap contracts. Jecse probably falls in that category
Another one bites the dust
Nevix might come back
As a coach yeah
Returns to crusty as a coach
https://twitter.com/JJANU_ow/status/1324797279060987904?s=19
what the hell justice?
The Justice have declined my option for 2021, we are still in talks for my return but I am open to hearing offers from other teams as I make my future plans. I can be reached at [choul99@naver.com or discord JJANU#6672].
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Returns to crusty as a coach
X doubt
wow you are so late
Jjanu to Toronto
Jjanu would probably rather take a 50k salary from Justice than join Toronto
Ehh
Toronto have Beast and Logix. Justice have Decay, Mag, Stitch, Ttuba etc. It's an easy choice
Yeah but if he doesn’t get a contract tho
Yeah Ik
Prolly lotsa players would take 50k salary now just to play.
He’s probs just doing to pressure them into signing him
Ofc he is. He's getting other offers to Justice give him a bigger offer. Only way he'll not re-sign is if another team like Seoul go after him
Wb nyxl signing him
Hard to know what nyxl are even doing, they have comitted to 0 players for 2021 so far
some teams wait for a full roster before going public
and lots of options are stll open until nov 13
yeah but their options are SBB, Libero, Anamo and Jjonak. None of those are guaranteed signings for sure
What likely happening is Jjanu and WJ are renegotiating the contract he signed mid season
yeah that was probably a desperation contract
It might also be they want to sign him till 2022 like they did Decay
I feel like justice are gonna build a star roster over the 2020 offseason/2021 season
And then show up only at stage 4
Justice could legit be scary
Who would sign Jecse 
Probably not
at least jecse got owl expereience
A: Ah, yes. Jjonak feeds so much. Who cares about his youtube channel content? Jjonak on Rein is a literal throw. Carpe-Fury is easy. JJonak is the issue. ```

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1325099845045071873?s=21 based off this tweet
I WON THIS ELECTION, BY A LOT!
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A: I have a long way to go but I’m confident in - and this is something that I’ve picked up fairly recently - Torbjorn. I seriously think I’m the best Torb in the game. Torb meta comes? I’m going to roll everyone. We had a Torbjorn meta once when we played Orisa. That really opened my eyes up to the potential of this hero. So Torb, that’s one. ```
be the one with the Torb
Dafran returning just to throw on torb
Dafran Vs Carpe torb
Torb meta, make it happen
he did tho
Who did carpe vibe check on volskaya that one time
He hammered him
Was it like someone on ATL or VAL?
KSP Or edison maybe?
*KSF
It’s fearless
Assuming the announcement of fearless is in like an hour
Yeah
God dallas really just pulled out the fucking wallet and said give me your players
please welcome Dallas Muma
Imagine
then the circle of Dallas would continue
for real though, with the team they are setting up, anything less than top 5 would be a failure
Failure, or a true Dallas performance
well it would be true to the spirit of Dallas to fail
but it would, nevertheless, be a failure
Muma yeah
Muma redemption arc
They replied to the tweet saying "Ya'll ready?"
Guess its sooner than an hour from now
Dallas picks up muma, he becomes the best MT in the league
doubt
Muma was only competitive against Roar for worst tank
Hydration was better
Hydration
Cause he wasn't over aggressive
God I hate the Dallas Fuel, announcement of the announcement of the announcement of the actual announcement
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So true lol
I wouldnt mind if they could plug their leaks. I mean, we've known for like 3 days now
yeah and it was hype as it wasn't leaked much I dont think, or if it was, it was only just before it happened
yeah, sounds like Philly dont have anyone leaking then, but nyxl do
NYXL snitches
Still waiting
For some reason
Imagine if the leaks were untrue
And they jebaited us
And they pickup Smurf
I assume we'll see a SHD goodbye post before the Dallas announcement, but then isn't it super late in china now
It is
Although I guess thats a good time to post you've just released your top MT
Imagine being a SHD Fan
First thing you see in the morning is your MT, a top three MT at that, leaves the team to join the fuel.
Especially after they didn't keep Diem, you'd be hoping for some good news soon
I feel like SHD is gonna sign contenders talent
Yeah worries me they wont take the great progress from last year and build on it. They'll settle for being ok
If they do build on it tho
SHD is gonna be scarier than last year
Well
Maybe not
Since fearless left
What happened to youngjin
Retired
Shanghai announcement
How do you easily build on Fearless and Diem
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9pm for all you Pacific
Like an hour from now?
No
7.5 hours time
EDT
So I guess Dallas are doing their usual 24 hour pre announcement announcement
By SHD
Unless anything has changed, I believe Shanghai are meant to be announcing Fearless's departure first, which is in about 7 1/2ish hours
Is 7.5 hours
China is asleep
Yeah
The Twitter accounts generally announce stuff in their city’s time zones
Best time to drop one of your top players, when everyone is asleep and can't rage 😄
The dallas fuel social media manager is having a blast this offseason
I think they must get paid per announcement tweet
trials is live but does that count?
if not then contenders SA is live in around 2 hours and 9 min
yeah I am watching the spanish stream since it says it drops
Sneaky drop from SHD
This says so much about society today
bruh
So inspirational
So true
As I am also trying to rumour bust this off season. My understanding is that the highly rumoured deal of Kevster leaving the Los Angeles Gladiators to join the San Francisco Shock is incorrect.
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yeah that didn't sound right
hmhmhmhmhmm
Do you guys think Nene is bad
I see people saying that he is overrated but I think he is solid
He was good
I'll most likely be taking a break from OWL next season. I've dealt with alot the past 3 years and wasn't in a great state of mind because of it. But, meeting a bunch of new people and hanging out with them has corrected it a bunch. So it's prob for the best to take a break....
Dont think anyone is surprised by this
If OW2 is good it'll probably bring back a whole lot of streamers and former players of the game
It'll probably feel like valorant when it first came out
Im so excited for 2021
Do yall think fissure could be a top MT if he chose to join a team next season?
Yeah if s4 retired id just be a bit sad
If he joined the right team yeah he has the potential, but im not sure many would take the risk
Fissure shanghai?
lol I wish
i mean hes still good
but after being on glads, he was on dynasty who were meh and then titans who imploded
𝗧𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗞 𝗬𝗢𝗨!
Today we say thank you to @Arkyjun for an amazing two years as he retires from the @overwatchleague. A leader on and off the field of battle, ArK was an exemplary player and paved the way for Justice. We wish you success on your journey.
#JusticeFighting https://t...
oh no
Even though he isnt that great
I fucking loved watching him play in the playoffs
That and picking opponents in playoffs
He was always so nice
cracked mercy
Yeah
stats wise ark had a legendary mercy
The one hero i think he genuinely is really fucking good at
If only his lucio was that good
He's a great rep for every team he's become a part of: LW Red, NYXL, and Justice
certainly not the last if they want a team to build their brand around a mixed roster or having a good in-game translator
He's retired
God this just sucks
With all the good that comes from the offseason and insane pickups and trades
There also comes just sad times
yeah, I'm just wondering where he goes, he studied to be a Nurse remember
he might be a hero elsewhere
Damn, I really liked ark
I guess Justice wanted a better MS though, and he decided he was happy to call it a day
Ikr, happy ark made me happy too
Damn dude sleep
Yeah idk what I've been doing
What a sad note to end the day on
Same for me but it's like 1am
Sleep 4head
Too busy cryin
on a side tangent I've started to appreciate aimgod ever since his performance resurged during playoffs
wouldn't have been possible without Ark as co-support tbh
he'd probably tilt seeing no success early in the season
Yeah bruh
Sms 
Route #5:
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📍Arrived: Fuel.
We're excited to welcome @Fearless527 to the Fuel! #BurnBlue ht...
damn I was right
damnnnnnn
@valid oxide
nooo fearless
the 1st stage of the fuel cycle is hope
the fuel cycle
uh oh
if the fuel don't come atleast top 5 next year the players will have probably decimated their careers
dallas is a retirement home
anyways, here is what your casual main supports looks like in APAC
https://twitter.com/ChengduHunters/status/1325100979549728768?s=20
We know this is tough but we should take solace in knowing that this decision was made by Fearless to reunite with his old Element Mystic teammates. Just because he is no longer a Dragon doesn't mean his redemption stops here. Keep cheering for him, we know we'll be! https://...
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are they retiring 8
When did halo say fearless to dallas?
Update:
Sources have confirmed that the Dallas Fuel and Shangai Dragon's have complete the trade for Main Tank Eui-Seok "Fearless" Lee to join the Dallas Fuel. https://t.co/2MTLkq3Imh
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check the date ^
it was less than a month I'm pretty sure that Hastr0 has wanted to reunite some players from EM
Its been 2 days and fearless gets annouced for fuel
Now when did he tweet for moth?
well he never mentioned fearless exactly
but we're really going off Halo's rumors
OWL: According to sources, the rumours of the Dallas Fuel going for a version of Korea's Element Mystic seems to be true. As a deal has supposedly been reached for Paris Eternal's Han-Been "Hanbin" Choi
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who knew it would be growing off the back of Paris' EM players
@worn falcon https://twitter.com/YiskaOut/status/1324110935380942853?s=20 was this earlier? I believe Halo pressed the tweet button when he saw this
People might disagree when it's announced (though not by a lot) but I personally think Dallas hasn't even announced their nuttiest signing yet.
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Shanghai Dragons Fate next
Dallas Taimou
For anyone wondering, my confirmed reports awaiting announcements:
Shu & Moth to LAG
Sanguinar & MuZe - Mayhem
Yakpung - NYXL
Pelican - Reign
Fearless - Dallas
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Moth to glads
Pelican is the o2 blast mt right?
I'm so sad
Or dps
Pelican is a flex
I mean
Why is shock throwing the 3peat?
You can’t say you love someone unless you are willing to let them go
I cant complain
Moth probably doesnt even want to go
once ferarless is released, dallas takes him within an hour
It was a trade
Moth is useful too
Money for fearless
What is shock gonna replace him with?
oh ok
Shanghai - fearless or this new dallas roster - fearless
oof nevix is gone from owl
what happened to the old vancouver main tank?
No way dallas just yanked fearless lmaoo
when is overwatch league coming back? its been a month
when is overwatch league coming back? its been a month
@balmy wolf bruh
its called 2021 season
pro players need breaks too
The mad lads did it
they set the stage
Dallas are set for an incredible season 4
Inb4 they pull a titans and boom their roster 2 weeks in
I wonder what hitscan and MS they sign now
I dont think they will
Its a possibility
But i dont think it'll happen
This team needs to win something
Hitscan is wide open
Yep
They managed to field solid options in each role
And have open season for two common roles
They sign nene
https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1319406078019424256?s=20
was hanbin alr announced?
OWL: According to sources, the rumours of the Dallas Fuel going for a version of Korea's Element Mystic seems to be true. As a deal has supposedly been reached for Paris Eternal's Han-Been "Hanbin" Choi
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why post this then
he announced this 2/3 weeks ago
According to sources, the Guangzhou Charge have signed former Element Mystic DPS Se-Hwan "Choisehwan" Choi
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I'll most likely be taking a break from OWL next season. I've dealt with alot the past 3 years and wasn't in a great state of mind because of it. But, meeting a bunch of new people and hanging out with them has corrected it a bunch. So it's prob for the best to take a break....
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So not to retire?
Sounds like he's basically retiring from OW, but leaving his options open for OW2. Don't think he'd have got a team in S4 anyway
I love how Ark thanks Jay3 and Jerry for the support. That's random

lol at Lip on twitch, stream is titled "SHD Main Tanker"
Lmao roasting stand1 like that
Do you guys think that Dallas needs to sign a backup MT
Or OT
Because even Shanghai had 2 MT's
Fearless doesn't have a ball
His orisa could do some work
For ot
How is hanbins dva and zarya idk
HanBin is known for his Zarya
Bc he played it in the Hackfist comp
God this team would fuck in hackfist
Sparkle called him a sig one trick
Yep
Honestly not sure what team would match Dallad in that meta
Rein
*dallas
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Rein Zarya Doom Sombra Ana Lucio
Ok so, any news apart from fearless?
Ark retired
MAYBE
S4 taking a break from OWL
Choiswehan is rumoured to be picked up by justice i think it was
Oh yeah, I went bed sad about that
No
O
S4 prolly wouldn't have gotten a team this season imo
Guangzhou are getting him
Was he good?
Was he pre Doha and Sparkle?
Tbf
He was on KDP when they almost one tendies
It's incredible
Possibly
Where does nero even go
@balmy wolf in 5 and a half hours (rounded to the nearest half hour) contenders south america plays.
Does watching trials count towards the skins?
I could half see Nero to shock
He fills that flex role pretty well, and has the potential to be top class honestly
🍟
Chipsa plays literally all the proj dps
If he actually got attention from coaches (unlike when he was on philly) he could probably be really good
Eh
I think nero would be a much better candidate for that flex dps position
Technically, Glister/Sanguinar and couple more
They took the options just to sell them
Chipsa is useless outside of a pure doom meta, and even then there is no real proof his Doom is that good at owl level
Tbh
The only hero he can compete at the high-ish level on
With good support and good coaches
Is doom
No
If Chipsa was capable on other heroes in OWL, he'd have been signed to teams for something other than PR
You need someone with actual potential
Coaches bring out potential
That's like saying teams should sign me, because with enough coaching I could be good enough
And improve on what you already know
Nero is someone like that
He has potential
We've seen glimpses of it
ChipSa doesn't
At least rn
So sign chipsa to a contenders team
Let him make it obvoius that he's a good player
Perhaps he isn't good enough for a contenders team and that's why he hasn't been signed
No
Chipsa is never really going to compete at that high level
I think he kinda just doesnt want to
He's basically a doom 1 trick
It'd be like a team signing Eviltoaster
Eviltoaster
No
Eviltoaster is just some trolly orisa player
and Chipsa isn't just a troll doomfist player who memes on ranked for content?
I think he memes
He doesnt
But its just like
You won't see a team signing Ball for OWL on the off chance of a wreckingball meta
He genuinely just gets fucked sometimes
He plays 1 hero potentially at an OWL level
If he could play other flex dps heroes good enough, he'd be on a contenders/owl team
In contenders he'd probably do meh
onlooky
How do you know he doesnt want to
tbf why would he even wanna go to contenders he literally gets money by fucking around in ranked
Yeah true
Streaming money
In his tweet for leaving Philly he quite literally said he wanted to focus on content creation
Ez
Contenders would prove himself for OWL if he was good enough
But he likely knows he isn't good enough for OWL on anything but doom, so is happy to just say he doesn't want to
Ball to chungdu
I don't see him on an OWL team
Ball 🙏
I want an overwatch league no role lock tournament
Ameng vs ball matchup
Thor will come, when we expect it the least
OWL no role lock would just be Goats again
it would be triple shield
If they did 1 tournament with no role lock
They'd probably just stick to what's meta
Instead of going goats
Cause they'd have no time to scrim it
Whichever team has 3 good tanks and 3 good supports would probably win
Shock probably would not win it now
They'd not have a zarya
Smurf zarya?
Philly would probably win because Fury/Poko + Sado or Mano
But the supports and MT
It exists
Yessir
Its ok
Smurf on zarya
Moth hasnt left yet techinically
Yeah philly would probably take it
Unless ta1yo or striker pull out a fucking large zarya performance
No eqo
Philly would mess up and end 2nd
I picked eqo for the brig, not sure who else would play it
Ivy on zarya and fury on brig
Bro if goats was a thing again
Philly would come 2nd
Bumper could legit be signed for such a high salary
Chengdu would win with Ball + 5 dps
Just watching the plat chat ep with super, it's so interesting
yes
Philly getting rolled by shock in scrims
Scrimmed Shanghai once too, wonder how that one went
they beat dragons
I wonder how shock would have done if they ran twilight ana
Prob same result tbh
I wish every platchat episode had a guest player
Losing mirror match ups and running monkey dva on oasis every time
So good to learn their opinions on teams and stuff
Oh they beat shd? Shock are fucking stronk
Stronk bois
Yeah I'd love more player appearances
I wanna see space next
See the problem with having players on is that some players just dont have good english
And cant communicate well enough
Ig you could invite danny onto the podcast
He's pretty cool
Why does everybody act like Shanghai is such a good team?
They are good
But shock has quite literally looked better for the whole season
nah
they basically smashed their competition
Consistently
in APAC
they always looked good and whenever they faltered someone would just carry and win the teamfight anyways
Seoul got lucky
dragons where insane all season but finals
No
philly choked supremely bad
Shanghai still@put up a fight but profit fits is too strong 🙏
APAC quite literally was the weaker region on peak gameplay
honestly if they kept fleta on the bench and leejaeghon didnt feed it could have ended much different
Maybe not avg tho
i think moon knew fleta shouldnt be playing over diem but was afraid if they still lost with fleta not playing he would be roasted for not putting him in
even if it was the right call
only on tracer 😤
im gonna be honest, i dont think shock are much weaker losing moth
main support is probably the least impactful role and when you have viol2t youll always be good
They can probably just get slime
shock slowly turning into titans
I wonder who Fuel will pick up next
honestly the biggest impact losing moth has on shock is the impact he adds to another team
If not seuol
Fuel needs a hitscan now
Yea
i think
idk fuel looking strong
Birdring on Fuel would be nice
i mean glads with the rumoured roster is pretty damn strong
honestly i think dpei should go but whatever
kevster was like top 5 stats on al;l his heroes with 200 ping
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FAQ
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@forest raven ok
wut
Wait
On other teams he has travelled the world, but it's time to make his home in Los Angeles.
Join us in welcoming our newest Gladiator, @muze2401! https://t.co/iJqiiSU3YE
oh
Dominoes starting to fall
So then
Florida MuZe wasn’t right
Man
My current understanding is that Uprising Academy/WGS Phoenix support Jeong-Su "Aztac" Park, could potentially heading to the Guangzhou Charge.
hmm
Hot pickup
Boston always picks up the cheap and good
What do you mean?
halo misreported muze
Halo got a singing wrong
We riot
So now Reddit is gonna shit on him
https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1324365645673320449
MuZe to Glads instead
For anyone wondering, my confirmed reports awaiting announcements:
Shu & Moth to LAG
Sanguinar & MuZe - Mayhem
Yakpung - NYXL
Pelican - Reign
Fearless - Dallas
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This is wrong
Some are bound to be wrong
Now the question is
Who are mayhem signing at MT
And are they really signing sanguinar?
OGE 👀
SanGuiNar one is probably true
SHU AND MOTH TO MAYHEM INSTEAD!!!!
Mayhem Sanguinar makes sense
Ye
I think Fate is gonna be kept there
Really?
That's the rumour
Coach moon really loves fate huh
Yep
Oh no MuZe deflected
Muze to Gladiators makes some sense. Curious who on earth Mayhem are gonna pick up though
hopefully moth and shu to glads still happen
That one seems pretty likely, nobody has really been denying moth leaving
Hopefully moth stays on the sf rock and they continue to dominate
what about the sf waters
SF have been pretty quiet this off season so far. I think they'll not make many changes for next season and it could come back to bite them
So what teams are currently looking strong on paper
If rumoured transfers are somewhat accurate; Philly, Fuel, Gladiators, Shock, Justice
@worn falcon https://twitter.com/YiskaOut/status/1324110935380942853?s=20 was this earlier? I believe Halo pressed the tweet button when he saw this
decay back to glads
People might disagree when it's announced (though not by a lot) but I personally think Dallas hasn't even announced their nuttiest signing yet.
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or fleta haha
I think that related to the Fearless tweet
Decay is signed to Justice for 2 years on a brand new contract
I think happy to fuel
This might sound nutty, but I think carpe might get dropped from fusion. This is because they signed mano and because carpe didn't play in playoffs.
They signed mano, making me believe that they will drop sado, indicating that they are done with their season 1 core
damn glads have had 7 main tanks
It's always been a problem spot for them really
People had high hopes for OGE there but he seems to always disappoint
MuZe is a promising player and I wish him all the best on Glads. However, at no point during the off-season did we talk to MuZe. Moral of the story: don't get your hopes up over leaks until an official announcement unless you're in the top-secret discord like me and @Spex_J
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so according to leaks, Fearless went to fuel so fate could go to shanghai so muze could go to florida?
lul
OGE to where then?
SF have been pretty quiet this off season so far. I think they'll not make many changes for next season and it could come back to bite them
@weak bolt you act like the current shock roster is bad
It's not
Sure, but they're potentially down Rascal and Moth from last year, and last year wasn't a total stomp for them. Other teams have boosted their rosters already, shock have added no improvements yet
Look
Every team that has improved their roster was bad before
Philly hasnt gotten any better, dragons hasnt gotten any better
By that logic the only team left would be souel
Philly added Mano already
Directly? Probably not, but does he upgrade Philly? yes
Shock have already lost Rascal, and Ta1yo is not the same level. Moth going too with no rumoured replacement yet
Rascal is gone garunteed
We know that
Moth is (sus?)
I guess
Lets assume moth doesnt leave
Then what?
Shock also lost 2 further coaches
Agape doesn't have a great reputation, and Casores has no real coaching experience, he was an Analyst
I trust in the Crust
Shock will still be top tier next season
but there are more teams that can contend for titles than last season imo
Didnt we say that last year?
Last year they weren't anywhere near as dominant. The NA division was also full of crappy teams
This year they'll have a much harder job unless they add some big additions to fill the gaps
I'm talking about your comment
They're likely going to need a top tier flex dps, and a very good MS to stand a good chance next year.
ta1yo has proven no value so far. I mean, they started Super on Genji and brought in Rascal genji over him
I mean Ta1yo was probably picked up to grow into a flex god
Exactly
not as an insta starter
Yeah, and maybe he will achieve that, but at this moment, it didn't look good
They also started Super over him vs Boston and Rascal was already a good genji
plus synergy
I feel like Ta1yo can grow into a god gamer
but not yet
Choi needs to be heavily grinding Zarya too, that's a big gap in Shock roster
Big gap?
Choi is a mid tier zarya player
Id say
Not a "big gap" though
Like, he does his job on the hero
Compared to their play on other tank heroes, it's a big gap
I guess
they need to have people top tier on the heroes they play
if they want the 3peat that is
Playoffs this year showed you need to have good depth on all heroes, or you could be in trouble
also hasn't viol2t been rumored to leave too?
Only him doing semi troll twitter posts and stuff
Idk I thought there were some chinese leaks on reddit about it
He was trolling
some chinese websites were leaking that shit so idk
I just think it'd could be very easy for Shock to be complacent as 2x champs, while teams around them improve
Ok
So lets look at the good teams built this ofseason
I hope Rascal goes to Glads tbh
if he does Glads are a top tier team finally
assuming moth and shu do end up going there
Dallas, seuol if they can be consistent, dragons, philly
Dragons currently looking weaker than last year
Ok
