The same sources who leaked mano to philly and the previous dallas signings and fearless to dallas says jerry to nyxl and kevster to shock, so
#esports-discussion
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solar bison
Nooo
tropic herald
If glads reunite Rascal and Birdring I have to be a fan
next mesa
This is pretty credible
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jerry to nyxl kinda makes sense I guess
solar bison
They do need a hitscan, right?
next mesa
jerry is a hitscan
trail perch
He was an offtank when they signed him, then made him a hitscan
solar bison
I dont think so
vagrant jacinth
Yeah, Jerry to xl probs
raw ermine
Fate might be a better orisa
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hanbin is definitely the second best
raw ermine
other than that no
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like this is a top 2 tankline
solar bison
Yeah
noble nexus
yeah but orisa isn't good anymore
next mesa
Fearless's orisa is decent
solar bison
You never know the meta
raw ermine
All tank lines should have a good rein winston orisa and ball
next mesa
his rein might be super tier and his winston as well
yeah idk about his ball
honestly
stand1 played ball
trail perch
its just synergy
noble nexus
yeah ig
next mesa
his ball
trail perch
maybe stand1 better played with the team on hog
noble nexus
but I thought they looked stronger with the hog sigma using fearless
next mesa
honestly the only way this team meets expectations
noble nexus
surely fearless has a good enough ball to flex over if he has to
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Is grand finals
noble nexus
they also could have just switched MT's in and out like shock did
the shock switched super, smurf and choi in and out looked well coordinated
imo
if shanghai did that with fearless hog in the upper bracket bit they would've faired better
noble nexus
yeah Sadge
noble nexus
if you're Jerry the only way you can go is up lol
he might actually be on a good team
hot heart
hidden vault
who is pelican?
noble nexus
well he was
raw ermine
dps from o2blast
hidden vault
sorry i meant flex supprt*
noble nexus
pelican was an 02 blast dps
hidden vault
i see
noble nexus
idk much about pelican since I don't watch contendies to but 02 blast are a good team afaik
raw ermine
They won s1 of this year
noble nexus
also what do you think shock are planning if they sign kevster?
raw ermine
Who said that?
noble nexus
someone else leaked it
raw ermine
link?
next mesa
The same source that predicted all the dallas signing sand mano to fusion
says kevster to shock apparently
hot heart
Well then
noble nexus
yeah I can't find the link at all now
hot heart
Im gonna assume it might actually be true if thats the case now
raw ermine
shock need a projectile
hot heart
They do
raw ermine
ta1yo is more hs
hot heart
Kevster cant play a top tier doom tho
Kevster isnt top tier
He's good
But not there yet
Under crusty that would change
noble nexus
Crusty can make anything top tier
hot heart
Ye
hot heart
Thank Mr. Crusty
noble nexus
idk what Taiyo's purpose is anymore
hot heart
Hmm
noble nexus
I assume he's a backup HS or a replacement because Ans or Striker want out
raw ermine
crusty only signs players he thinks he can make top tier
hot heart
Yeah
noble nexus
Yeah that man has a gigabrain on him
hot heart
Honestly if they get kevster
noble nexus
no one is on his wavelength
hot heart
I can see him being a top dps next year
hot heart
When i think of kevster i think of somone with insane potential under a great coach
And just like
next mesa
dude now they have like 4 hitscans
with 2 of them being able to play a bit of projectile
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like just assuming
hot heart
Idk why ta1yo is on shock if they do sign kevster
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Idk man they should sign a fullprojectile
noble nexus
I think they could probably have Taiyo transition to a projectile and make it work
but that's a risk
noble nexus
no one does
hot heart
You just gotta see how it plays out with crusty
You know its gonna go incredibly well
But like
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ta1yo got obliviated by viol2t in 1v1
hot heart
How he goes about doing stuff you cant really predict i think
hot heart
Viol2t is a god gamer
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wait no by ans
weak bolt
I dont even wanna try predict who Shock should sign until we know who is even leaving
noble nexus
that's also not a surprise
hot heart
I think at this point
noble nexus
Shock are fucking flooded with good players
hot heart
Probably one person left thats gonna leave
noble nexus
I think super stays until atleast the 3peat
weak bolt
For all we know, Shock could lose Moth to LAG, Smurf to SHD, Viol2t to Dynasty
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doubt
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dragons already signing a main tank
hot heart
Especially smurf
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fate
noble nexus
yeah Dragons are going for Fate
weak bolt
Who knows any more, I wouldnt have put money on Dragons selling Fearless
noble nexus
that also only leaves a whole at MS for Shock
considering they'd still have super and twilight
hot heart
Viol2t could happen but that all depends on what crusty wants to do with the FS role
noble nexus
they'd need backups
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there's rumors at least
noble nexus
but they'd still be top tier
weak bolt
Jerry LFT too, wtf is going on
hot heart
Pain
weak bolt
and MCD to Hangzhou? 😮
noble nexus
I'm hopeful that Jerry gets a team better than Boston
weak bolt
I dunno how to even rate Jerry. Is he good, is he ok, is he just popular because he was a meme
weak bolt
Did Jerry ever play on EM? That may define his future 😄
next mesa
I think he was overrated
hot heart
But he was really popular in terms of memes
hot heart
He had bis moments
noble nexus
he isn't bad tho and he can have some moments
hot heart
*his
noble nexus
if he had a better team he could shine I reckon
weak bolt
I dont see who'd sign him
Toronto would be like the only team I'd think, but they said they're aiming to win
next mesa
ta1yo says
he rotates his sens every week
dude crusty should beat some sense in this man
noble nexus
Honestly Taiyo should have have some sense beaten into him by Crusty after he saw his crosshair
weak bolt
who needs sens when you have that crosshair
karmic grotto
today is gauntlet?
plush light
No Jerry no win
weak bolt
Today was a date mentioned in a video mentioning Gauntlet. What it means, nobody has a clue
Could be today they confirm a gauntlet in 2021 for all we know
raw ermine
yeah
weak bolt
What if, Gauntlet is used to find 3 or 4 teams to beef up the APAC division in OWL 😄
There was that rumour a while back of them wanting 3 teams to bolster APAC tournaments
loud elbow
echo quest
chrome cosmos
Is yakpung even good
silk frost
Also if boston were money hungry pigs this year they would have SOLD jerry, not RELEASED him
silk frost
Listen dude that was like a week ago
hot heart
Rheyne with the leaks
Listen dude that was like a week ago
@silk frost yeah we don't talk about it
hot heart
Apparently the same person that said mano to fusion
silk frost
When someone said "this wasn't even the juiciest move" I said something like "yeah probably fearless" as a meme
Yknow what I bow to Reyne
wanton birch
What’s the twitter user?
hot heart
Idk
silk frost
Then I predicted it yesterday
wanton birch
I don’t get why glads would do that though
hot heart
Cash
silk frost
Rheyne = halo
hot heart
Rheyne = literally everyone
silk frost
Why would shock want kevster?
wanton birch
Cause he’s insane
silk frost
They have ans and taiyo tho
silk frost
Both play mostly hitscan
silk frost
If Kevster goes anywhere it'll be Boston
silk frost
Gimme another team he could go to then
hot heart
Houstan
silk frost
That sounds way more aggressive than I intended it to lol
hot heart
Lmao
silk frost
Houston maybe actually
silk frost
They have 0 hitscan
hot heart
Theyd be insane
silk frost
I mean kevster on the Outlaws sounds ultimately cursed
silk frost
Naw dude boston kevster makes way more sense to me
Houston'll probably be like #20 next year
tropic herald
raw ermine
its online
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why
viral veldt
weak bolt
Jerry to Dallas would be hilarious, I hope for that
hot heart
What if they just go fuck it and sign Edison
hot heart
Or erster
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they should sign diem and then sign like
the best tracer player available
in contenders
like idk who
ace
raw ermine
:)
tawdry hamlet
sadge jerry
quartz cairn
cedar oasis
Wb nene
weak bolt
What are these rumours that Jjonak is trialing for HZ, GZC and Dynasty lol
raw ermine
Wouldn't be suprised if NYXL is rebuilding
they failed to win 3 years now
JJ is no longer the best flex support
Mano is gone
SBB is kinda washed
raw ermine
I just realised Shredlock and roolf are the only canadian players in OWL
digital cloud
was going to mention them
raw ermine
its a curse
next mesa
depending on the hitscan and ms obviously like on paper, I think this is the most stacked team
so far
raw ermine
Agilities and Surefour are not in OWL currently
"Inside source"
really narrows it down
at least danye is in OW
plush light
depending on the hitscan and ms obviously like on paper, I think this is the most stacked team
@next mesa main tank?
raw ermine
It's leaked to be fearless
plush light
Right, I forgot.
They should sign happy for hitscan
He used to be EM
For apex s5 trials
next mesa
Happy was on that team for 5 games
Obv he's super nice though
But him being EM prob won't take factor
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Jjonak rumors trying for different teams
Breaking: jehong joins sbb in nyxl and wins as "old men"
lethal mango
shouldn't the chinese english vodcast be starting now?
for contenders
i thought it would be on https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/contenders/ ?
im seeking the skins :(
raw ermine
allegedly
cobalt spoke
Why would the best singular player on the role leave? And its and important role too.
raw ermine
Money
cobalt spoke
Shanghai doesnt have money?
raw ermine
they came 3rd when expecting to come first, and when you're paying an entire rosters worth of MVPs and top level talent, 3rd doesn't bode well.
cobalt spoke
So make the team worse?
cobalt spoke
If fearless leaves Shanghai who will Shanghai pick up?
cobalt spoke
He plays mt?
raw ermine
yeah
cobalt spoke
Is he good?
raw ermine
he is ok
He didn't play much cause of fearless
played for a lotta NA contenders teams
cobalt spoke
Shanghai cant afford to take a downgrade in the main tank role
I know this may just sound like more shock praise from me, but the best overall main tank play comes from shock, and super and smurf will mtd stand1 when it comes down to it
Which is why no team can afford to have a bad main tank
tropic herald
im pretty certain super just said moth to glads without saying it
also yeah
moon wants fate
cobalt spoke
Moth literally just said up his new monitor at his house
Doesnt sound very glads to me
Also someone said that if he was gonna get signed to glads it wouldve happend already
tropic herald
what are you even on about
cobalt spoke
I'm saying that moth is staying on shock
raw ermine
LMAOOOOOOOO
btw in regards to moth
halo is highly reliable
and seeing as this is confirmed by him to virtually be done
I think its true
raw ermine
yeah
https://twitter.com/JaruOW/status/1253130156077539328
https://twitter.com/JaruOW/status/1320071094875779072
I feel like these are connected...
Twitter
Twitter
He left doge?
Hybrid hasn't tho
noble nexus
I'm a shock fanboy and even I can tell moth is going to glads
which I think is great
cuz glads have never really had the best support line imo
well not recently anyways
hot heart
Well if you're interested in it nows your time to learn
Off season of OWL
@worldly lichen
If you wanna keep track of rumours of the OWL off season follow Haloofthoughts on twitter
And you can watch a few OW podcasts
My favourite is Platchat
Maybe you'll like that
sullen berry
Jjonak might be vulnerable to a bad deal
Since early 2020 was when they made their first trade deal with Meko
They're not selling players to the same extent Uprising or Shock would
limber rune
@sullen berry general kenobi?
hot heart
So
If shu goes to glads
Then jjonak to GZ would make some sense
But even then
Arent there better options?
plush grail
yeah nyxl wasn't top tier
but joining a different team cause you wanna win
joining GZ isn't it chief
plush grail
or jjonak might just chase the money like meko
hot heart
Ye probably
chrome cosmos
I wont be surprised if jjonak leaves
high basalt
where ever jjonak goes i go
wanton birch
What do you think power rankings for teams will be with all the rumours and signings
cobalt spoke
Idk yet
wanton birch
So far I’m going to have to say , Dallas is looking like they’re top three
cobalt spoke
It looks like things might be more balanced next season?
Like
The bad teams might be less bad, and the good teams might be less good?
hot heart
I think the good teams will still be good
But that depends on their pick ups and who they drop
cobalt spoke
Yea
cobalt spoke
There is still alot of off-season to go
hot heart
Like there's almost no trash team
Just all mid tier
And then the tier between top and mid
And then top tier
hot heart
Like for example if the fate rumours are true shanghai are making a missplay
And if moth actually leaves that could be bad
cobalt spoke
True
hot heart
But realistically all these top tier teams will stay top tier
cobalt spoke
Fearless leaving is also not good
hot heart
Shock Shanghai Philly
cobalt spoke
Philly with Mano was probably a really smart move
hot heart
Yeah
Fearless leaving is a problem
Idk what they're thinking with Fate
Unless fate just pulls out a monstrous MT next year
They just downgraded heavily
Imagine if shock released Smurf and went for someone like Karayan
Okay
Maybe not that insane but relatively close
It would fuck shock over if it didnt work out
So im really worried for SHD tbh
In most metas teams are as good as their MT
wanton birch
Where are we placing the glads ?
I’d say they are probably after Seoul and Washington
weak bolt
If Glads get the rumour signings, they are probably 5th/6th ish. I still think their dps line could be a risk with Birdring/Kevster/Mirror
hot heart
Yeah
tropic herald
Rascal goes to Glads
tropic herald
Like you just have to be a Glads fan at that point
hot heart
That would be insane
But what does their MT situation look like rn
Since the mano thing didnt turn out to be correct
Who do they pick up
cobalt spoke
You just cant stress the main tank role enough
hot heart
Yeah
tropic herald
Gladiators Sado 
hot heart
Eh
cobalt spoke
We've seen teams with trash dps do well but never teams with trash main tanks
tropic herald
Glads Super
cobalt spoke
super wont leave shock
Smurf cant leave shock
As long as super and Smurf are a constant other main tanks will tremble in fear
weak bolt
Watching the Shock comms video from finals, their English is pretty crazy. I think any player could join that team
weak bolt
yeah even the quieter players when they do speak, use great english
plush light
Super is gonna replace rascal at flex dps
weak bolt
Shock should just get the wallet out and buy Fleta
worldly lichen
Wait wasn't Jerry on the defiant?
weak bolt
I'm curious, do we think there is a chance of S4 owl without Jjonak next year?
plush light
Jjonak is washed
raw ermine
He might go to another team but leave it entirely? Idk
vagrant jacinth
Yeah I think he'll still be around next season
weak bolt
I'm thinking more if another team trials him but doesnt actually want him. Do nyxl try drive his salary down to a much smaller amount
Find a new team or take 50k per year situation
vagrant jacinth
If nobody picks him they'll probably try
plush light
Jjonak is like aimgod but a little better
hot heart
Really good coaches
And needs to change it up
Jjonak is like aimgod but a little better
@plush light in that his bap and moira are horrendous yeah
His ana is still pretty competitive
His zen can be feedy at times
He needs to step it up
And change it up
raw ermine
It's a positioning and choice making character rather than mechanics.
raw ermine
His bap is poor
plush light
Jjonak is bad at bap
raw ermine
I love how nyxl still have 3 players from the original roster and one signed a few months in
plush light
With the new changes he might get better because it makes his primary fire used more
balmy wolf
his coaches were shit, idk how he hasnt gotten better at him
but either way a team getting jjonak is a win for them
weak bolt
GZC probably have the more potential, but more roster slots to fill as well
tropic herald
HZ already got MCD
hot heart
Jjonak on another team just sounds so weird
Like your in a parallel universe where everything is normal but jjonak is on a team that isnt NYXL
hot heart
Ye
vagrant jacinth
Same with mano tbh, him being on Philly feels strange
weak bolt
NYXL currently has 0 players on their roster officially
vagrant jacinth
They going budget?
weak bolt
I reckon they're going budget, or at least a lot cheaper. Probably cutting salaries by a lot
hot heart
Or going half good players
vagrant jacinth
That's what I'm thinking
weak bolt
I think if they weren't cutting costs on the good players, they'd have renewed already
hot heart
Yeah
weak bolt
but you can probably heavily reduce cost of sbb, libero, jjonak. I don't think any of those 3 are really vital to the team
vagrant jacinth
Exactly
hot heart
I think libero would be a good player to keep
Sbb would be decent too
Leadership is really important
But tbh sbb cant keep up anymore
So idk
weak bolt
They were likely on big contracts for 2020 to keep them around for homestands
I bet sbb sold lots of jerseys, tickets to fan greets etc. That's less needed now
vagrant jacinth
Solid point tbh
weak bolt
They also probably know, SBB/Anamo etc wouldnt get on a team elsewhere
So would take a pay cut to keep on the team
I highly suspect all of them were told "We're not going to renew you, but we'll offer you this lower rate. You can either go find another team or accept it".
vagrant jacinth
Wonder how xl fans feel
weak bolt
Latest rumours I saw for him was Florida was a possibility, but then people say he wants a mixed roster
hot heart
SBB goes with xzi to a team lmao
hot heart
Why do i have the feeling this is going to be huge
weak bolt
Possibly news on Diem/Eileen, or Team CC I guess
tropic herald
hot heart
O
tropic herald
L
hot heart
Pain
Anyway
I know neither of them
Leave Jimmy dps line
Leave jimmy
Best duo name
Leave Jimmy alone
weak bolt
What about Jimmy and Jerry
weak bolt
Jimmy, Jerry and Jjonak
hot heart
Triple J
weak bolt
on Justice
weak bolt
dont forget Jjanu
weak bolt
Casted by Jake and Jaws
hot heart
The Jjjjustice Casted by The Jj's
And were out of names with that start with a j
I cant rest now
Lmao
hot heart
Probably some Chinese contenders team that did subpar but have decent dps
Or contenders trials even
Idk
weak bolt
I dont see them anywhere on Liquipedia, but its sometimes slow on name changes
oh found them, Formed Sept 7th 2020
Searching for Jimmy comes up with someone called Xargon
and Kaneki appears to be a Pharah/Sombra/Tracer/Brig player
weak bolt
Are they like the Chinese equivalent of Team Doge, just a bunch of randomers formed to make some cash with no real org
hot heart
Has the team won anything?
weak bolt
Chinese open division S4 - 1st
2nd in Contenders 2020 CN Season 2 - Week 3. Lost to Team CC
hot heart
So they're pretty decent
weak bolt
They made nearly $6k in earnings, so arguably just as much as Houston Outlaws
weak bolt
Honestly i feel that combo would work pretty well
hot heart
Yeah i mostly think rush could do nenne some real good
earnest leaf
Fuel has so many options for hitscan
hot heart
And they cover tracer meta
earnest leaf
Inb4 jerry to dallas
vagrant jacinth
Ffs the Washington Jjjjjustice
hot heart
Dude has an incredible mei
And a really good tracer
And a really good hanzo if i remember correctly
weak bolt
I'd kinda low key like to see Erster to Shock. Give him some of that Crusty loving
hot heart
Dude
If erster goes to shock
Honestly could see him being MVP next year
Or some shit
Erster under someone like crusty is insane
vagrant jacinth
Anyone know anything about kaneki/Jimmy?
vagrant jacinth
Fair
weak bolt
Not sure anybody outside of the Chinese contenders scene would do really
vagrant jacinth
Plat chats right, what we gonna do if there's no chengdu zone next season
weak bolt
I'm sure we'll find a team to fill that void
weak bolt
Paris to sign Cloudy and go for the Rein in your backline strat
hot heart
Im really interested in what defiant is gonna do
What if they go all out
Well they kinda cant since well
Everyone thats top tier has a team
Or is basically in final talks
weak bolt
Defiant are weird. They looked like they wanted to go big, but then either didn;t have as much money as they thought, and in a panic, re-signed Logix
hot heart
See
I wonder if they'll do what valiant did
And pickup a great coach
And budget players
Or less known players
weak bolt
Question is, is KDG really that good
weak bolt
I reckon that Philly roster last year could have achieved the same by self coaching
hot heart
Yeah honestly philly had the pieces
They were always gonna be a top team
But
I still attribute some of that success to KDG
Tho that playoff run was disappointing
weak bolt
I reckon Toronto will end up signing 1 or 2 star players, and filling the rest with nobodies
hot heart
Yeah
weak bolt
Then around half way through the season, they'll ditch half the roster for more
weak bolt
I could honestly see them doing something like signing Sado, then pairing him with Mcgravy
hot heart
See
I could see them signing mcgravy
Sado Probably doesnt go to defiant
Mcgravy doesnt have many offers probably
silk frost
Apparently heres current rumors:
-Jerry to NYXL
-Jjonak trials for Hz, Gz, and Seoul
-Glister to Justice
-Kevster to Shock
-Fearless to Fuel
-Shu to Glad
-MCD to Spark
-Sado to Glads (RUMOR)
-Aztac to Justice (RUMOR)
raw ermine
Korean contenders support player
raw ermine
Actually he is on loan to wgs armament from uprising academy
Not true. Remember Persia?
Lol
digital cloud
isn't Roar korean
hot heart
We dont talk about rOar
cedar oasis
Did fissure quit overwatch?
hot heart
I think he's LFR
*LFT
But im not sure
He def hasnt quit overwatch tho
To my knowledge
next mesa
fissure didn't quit
silk frost
Behind like 1987, mcd, and idk who else
next mesa
we dont know if hes LFT because his twitter is like private
weak bolt
At least we should get some more info next week, with Fri being the extension deadline for a bunch of other contracts
vagrant jacinth
Glister to justice would be 
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decay doe
vagrant jacinth
Someone pick up my boy babel
plush light
Gister to mayhem
Glister plays better flex than bqb
For things like doom and tracer
cloud latch
glister yaki pog
silk frost
Babel to Boston pog
hot heart
All of sf shock to boston
potent meteor
I dont honestly watch much esports but it sucks watching everyone leave. Overwatch is like 5 years old now so people are gonna stop joining the esports because they get good at the game but the game will die within a year and a half or so and need to switch to another game.
Ik the game isn't dead but I think in roughly a year in a half it will start declining or already have been. I haven't been keeping track but I see more esport players leaving rather than joining.
.
Do they get bored of the game or what?
raw ermine
Some go to other games
some are just washed
This year was tough cause of the pandemic so lots of people got dropped
hidden vault
yeah teams are trying to "save" money
noble nexus
I mean hopefully by the time OW2 comes out they aren't restricted to streaming on youtube
cuz twitch had so many more viewers
and youtube sucks ass
also when OW2 comes out OWL will almost definitely get a lot more popularity
hot heart
Tbh
noble nexus
yeah but surely they didn't sign a multiyear contract
then again they'd have gotten a bag for multiyear
noble nexus
yikes
when it was on Twitch normal midseason games had more viewers than the finals when it's on youtube
shit's rough
worn falcon
i missed something here? https://twitter.com/Viol2t_OW/status/1324123298192453632
Twitter
true hound
probs just trolling again
vagrant jacinth
Profit the goat
next mesa
that was 2 days
vagrant jacinth
Yeah he did lmao
worn falcon
yeah, but i dont know if he was meming or something
instead he flexing his rank 1 and 2 in support
raw ermine
^TLDR: Follow your favourite casters on social media and they're more likely to be re-signed by OWL.
Idk if its true or not, but in case it is follow them
caster/Analysts/hosts
digital cloud
I dunno, looks like just an uber appreciation thread
also, most of the casters are top tier
I miss monte and doa though, despite how crap monte is as a person
raw ermine
digital cloud
imagine getting copyrighted for music, the thing that entirely revolves around using assets in the public domain
I suppose we can sue people for listening to music they haven't bought when someone plays it in public too
well, that aside, can he get back on twitch eventually?
next mesa
probably yeah
weak bolt
He may struggle, twitch support is pretty awful
weak bolt
Uber will be back. They're just contracted during the season, so free lance during off season
wanton birch
I swear , if glads disappoint again next season cause their main tank ......
They better be signing someone good
silk frost
rumors say sado
wanton birch
At this point I don’t know if I want to believe the rumours XD
Kevster to shock better not happen
weak bolt
Twitter
wanton birch
Odd
wanton birch
I would have thought jjanu mag would be pretty good
wanton birch
Maybe they sign him on a new deal ?
weak bolt
Can't blame him for asking, there may be oppurtunities he prefers
like Seoul still need an OT right?
next mesa
yes
weak bolt
Spark may potentially consider him an upgrade over QoQ. Can't blame him for seeing what choices he has
ESPN Esports let go of a bunch of their journalists, wonder if any get involved in the OW scene now
silk frost
Piggy?
raw ermine
piggy is leaked to houston
weak bolt
I think in all likelihood Jjanu stays at justice, he's just checking what he can get to boost his salary
raw ermine
Guess he is gone
weak bolt
Beast was playing on Oddysey or something last month yeah. Can't blame him, keeps him active rather than just LFT
weak bolt
I do love how AT blatantly just memed the BH name
raw ermine
yeah lmao
raw ermine
not all of them
just the bad ones
Bernar, CarCar
Whoru
get Na1st instead anyway
weak bolt
Wait, Toronto sign beast again? Ok they’re going budget too
Also lol at Aero going to coach faze in valorant
weak bolt
Aww shame, would have been amusing
digital cloud
imagine Aero throwing games for his players in another game
raw ermine
"IM COMING FOR YO CAREER LOMBARDO"
digital cloud
well Faze in valorant is sort of like the fuel
they are better than the tier 2, but trash compared to the rest of tier 1 lol
raw ermine
Even with Corey babybay and some random csgo dude they can't win
next mesa
Isn't corey apparently like not that good
raw ermine
yeah
It seems all the good snipers in OW are trash
Saya, Corey, probably other ones
true hound
cause val is a brain game
not as much of an aim one
for OW hitscan players, it’s a heavy aim and brain game that plays far different than a tac shooter
digital cloud
saya is on omen
he isn't on this game's equivalent of a dps, so I think him being "inconsistent" makes some sense
he isn't always in a position to get frags
not sure what is up with faze though
I am hoping personally they just need experience
raw ermine
They need a lack of Zachary "ZACHAREEE" Lombardo and Shane "Rawkus" Flaherty
digital cloud
Rawkus and zacharee are actually not so bad in Valorant
they and babybay are probably roughly on the same level rn
Corey and Marved are the top two
raw ermine
thats concerning if Corey is one of the best
true hound
did y’all see this
Imagine if this was true - Jjonak to dynasty, Shanghai with Viol2t
raw ermine
whoa
Jinmu leaves hunters rip
I feel like seoul doesn't need those players
creative+bdosin is fine
and fits is excellent
noble nexus
yeah hopefully
Moon really do be trying hard for Fate so he probably has his reasons
Moon is almost as gigabrain as crusty
and that's a lot of brain
wanton birch
is it time for glads to give up on dpei ?
noble nexus
I felt like Florida was really good
they were mid table but they were putting up fights
against like shock and shit
next mesa
that was def a successful season for florida
raw ermine
I still think kuki deserved COTY
balmy wolf
they actually had a positive record this time
raw ermine
He took a last place team to 5th?6th? with 2 player signings
granted, they were both really good
tawdry hamlet
Toronto going to blow ass next season bet
I can't possibly fathom a good roster unless they just pull a fuel and pick up everyone's leftovers with large amounts of money
Mr. Logix and beast are barely upper mid tier on their own
And they dumped agilities 
They could always pick up people like dogman or paintbrush I guess but that's still nothing great
raw ermine
yeah
idk why we need beast
maybe he becomes good under KDG?
Maybe alarm told him the secrets to coaching him?
tawdry hamlet
Maybe so, seeing the widow 1v1s just exposed how meh logix is, like he's above dalton and chex but far below top tier hitscan
I guess he's like ksp tier
Hopefully they actually do okay
But with so many teams stacking talent Idk who they could pick up that'd be any good
I am sure they can pick up some na free agents like danteh or something to just make them good
But I wish agilities stayed he was solid dps
tawdry hamlet
He's good at being better than his teammates lmao
But nah he isn't bad he's upper mid definitely above chex and dalton but not amazing by any means
I think apac hitscans in general are just far more consistent
Idk why
tawdry hamlet
next mesa
no he's not upper mid bro he's like bottom
like he's not bad obviously
but the hitscan role is just stacked
wait lemme get that list
Idk man I don't put him above like fits ans bqb carpe heesu jerry decay edison happy striker sbb xzi birdring lip diem fleta ksp
you can argue with like, maybe jerry and sbb