But Chengdu make no sense
#esports-discussion
hot heart
silk frost
it'll be like 6 or 7 months no?
plush grail
''surely nyxl will stomp chengdu''
silk frost
starting in april?
hot heart
Rumoured to be yeah
weak bolt
April was the rumoured delayed start I think
weak bolt
Not sure it was OW2, I think it was more Covid
weak bolt
They want to try make homestands plausible
hot heart
So OW2 is just a plus of them delaying then
plush grail
6 months to prepare but im willing to bet boston is still gonna be garbage
silk frost
I heard it was because of OW2 with covid being done being a bonus
hot heart
Huh
weak bolt
OW2 would be a stretch unless Blizzard launch the game in like February
hot heart
Alright
silk frost
no way Boston suck again, they'll pick up some good talent and have a good coaching staff to build it up with
unlike Mineral
weak bolt
They released Mineral I think right?
hot heart
He moved into another position in the org
silk frost
he knows how to win but not how to get there
hot heart
Wait
silk frost
good for GM
weak bolt
I thought I saw a LFT post or something from him, or was that someone else
plush grail
no way Boston suck again, they'll pick up some good talent and have a good coaching staff to build it up with
@silk frost bro don't even lie to yourself, they'll pick up some godlike talent, trade him 2 weeks into the season and pick up a gold player to replace him
either that or boston signs a pedo again pog
silk frost
they wanna win this year
silk frost
wanting to win is the first step out of 20th
hot heart
But what matters is the drive to win
Yeah
Hopefully they do well
Im just sad for boston
It used to be funny
plush grail
i want people like myunbong to succeed
weak bolt
Ah it was Mentalist I saw LFT, not Mineral
plush grail
but the org just doesn't care at all
silk frost
they'll find some pog hidden talent and the coaching staff will be good
as long as they get a promising 2nd assistant coach they'll be potentially good
weak bolt
Chex has potential, if they play him on heroes he's good at and not force him to play everything
silk frost
it'll be so easy to be mid tier with budget paris, houston, potentially bad toronto, maybe meager london, and gameplay challenged chengdu
at least above 3 teams
weak bolt
yeah
plush grail
ameng is gonna come back to owl after having hunted bumper for his tank skills
weak bolt
LAV/ATL have potential to be bad too
plush grail
has LAV even made any changes
silk frost
yeah they dropped mcgravy, gig, and apply
weak bolt
all LAV did was ditch some players so far. They're likely still on a budget
silk frost
they just need a strong OT and they'll be good
plush grail
I just wanna know who's picking up jhong
it's weird how such a wanted player
has been lft for such a long time
weak bolt
Perhaps he's not as wanted to teams as people think
weak bolt
Barely any teams have streamers now
If OWL had sense, they'd make him part of broadcast team
or content team at least
Twitter
Not sure if that got posted yet, but interesting read
tropic herald
And then you apply that to every team
You understand why players are getting dropped by the dozens
silk frost
yeah
upper niche
How are DM Esports faring through other avenues/programs?
raw ermine
They don't seem to exist on liquipedia, although the eternal seem to be the only OWL team with a team in another game that isn't the COD league, but they go by c0ntact gaming there
edgy tinsel
Twitter
raw ermine
yeah I saw them stacked AF
raw ermine
Has a team in contenders ever had 3 ex-owl pros?
raw ermine
He has one
edgy tinsel
hes resigned to houston no?
raw ermine
houston re-signed him
tropic herald
Oh god
lilac ruin
stupid teams are dropping a bunch of players
lilac ruin
Overwatch 2 should be free
edgy tinsel
1: teams going more budget due to the increase of covid19 and further decrease of economy
2: players can choose to go to other teams or ask to leave , so they may not be getting dropped
3: teams releasing players doesn't make them stupid
Also you're already getting half of OW2 free with the new pvp engine so dont complain about that
silk frost
what a genius these teams MUST be stupid there couldn't POSSIBLY be ANY reasoning as to why they dropped their players
totally not just a lack of critical thinking skills on your end
hot heart
This man got ratioed hard
Hmmm
So paris are left with fdgod and xzi
Whats the plan
silk frost
drop them and build up with plats
next mesa
Yeah
tidal ridge
uprising was a top 20 team this season
earnest leaf
hot heart
BRO
worn falcon
Bro
hot heart
Man
worn falcon
Mano over Sado?
hot heart
Its fake
worn falcon
Woman
earnest leaf
Twitter
tropic herald
WHAT THE MCFUCK
worn falcon
Mcduck
worn falcon
Mano gonna be benched if he's not better than Sado
hot heart
Its so weirs
next mesa
WHAT
tropic herald
seeing mano in philly of all teams
next mesa
Sado getting traded dude
hot heart
I think with nineK coaching
Mano is better
Or will he
*be
Wait
If sado is traded
Where would he go
Or is he staying
next mesa
Fuel
hot heart
Fuel Sado
Wtf is this offseason
Sado HanBin Sp9rk1e Diem Doha Fielder rapel
Imagine
This weeks platchat is gonna be insane
raw ermine
Mmmmmmm mano to nyxl
Mmmmmmm
This feels like a downgrade tbh
Sado seemed better on orisa
solar bison
Interesting
hot heart
I think mano and sado are overall on the same level
solar bison
Yeah
hot heart
But i think mano can do more than sado can do with philly supporting him
hot heart
Probably makes him better
solar bison
Was alarm being fed as many resources as Jjonak?
hot heart
NineK is gonna take this team to the next level
hot heart
I think they are now gonna be even better at rein comps
primal coyote
hot heart
Since mano is some freak beast
solar bison
And if they released Sado, many teams are in need of a MT
hot heart
Yeah
raw ermine
mano under ninek coaching is scary
hot heart
But who has the cash? Fuel.
solar bison
Probably
raw ermine
true
hot heart
Ill see myself out
next mesa
they need a good projectile
raw ermine
and unleash their FURY
hot heart
Comedy at its finest
hot heart
If fusion pick up rascal
hot heart
They have the money
And rascal being rascal fusion would do anything to get him i think
raw ermine
rascal on 4 teams?
raw ermine
seems like the former london bench like to jump around
hot heart
its weird to think rascal was a benched player now
Profit was a starter so makes sense
Wait
What if
Rascal to seoul
Profit rascal
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what
hot heart
No thats too much power
hot heart
I know
next mesa
except echo
hot heart
Ivy is FA right?
next mesa
literally just covers everything
raw ermine
profit fits is fine
hot heart
I think seoul dont need much at dps
raw ermine
they need a dedicated off tank
next mesa
yes
next mesa
they are resigning tobi
if they are signing
jehong
because im pretty sure they are going together
ngl
hot heart
Wait so philly didnr re-sign Ivy
hot heart
They have to have something up their sleeve
Eqo is FA
His option was declined
Ill check Ivy's contract status
So
He's still in talks with fusion for 2021
But is looking at other opportunities
He's probably getting re-signed
raw ermine
god damn, imagine Mano-Fury Carpe-Rascal Alarm-Funnyastro coached by NineK. What a team
next mesa
and still manage to get only second place
raw ermine
true
hot heart
That would actually be the saddest thing in OW history
balmy wolf
not gonna overhype this team
they had a near perfect season last season and still lost in every tournament they went in
hot heart
If you have ninek
balmy wolf
this is ninek 2nd HC position i believe
keep in mind he wasnt coaching paris that was rushes job
umbral zodiac
ninek was coaching for paris
balmy wolf
he wasnt
balmy wolf
rush was the HC at the end of the day
umbral zodiac
ninek was supposed to be a HC for paris, but rush came in
rush was hc, but ninek was also coaching paris
balmy wolf
and even then they still struggled
umbral zodiac
struggled how?
balmy wolf
just because teams got shock pieces doesn't mean they instantly become top tier
umbral zodiac
??????
balmy wolf
im just saying people gotta temper their expectations of what philly can do
clear crane
holy shit Mano is hugeeeeeeee
umbral zodiac
yea he's a big man
valid oxide
Psst, you want some leaks?
I called Mano to Fusion, and now I'm calling Fearless to Dallas
silk frost
bro no
hidden vault
But really mano and fury?
Hmm
I thought Philly is more aggressive?
And nyxl less?
Any main suuport philly can pick up and is better than astro?
sullen berry
just because teams got shock pieces doest mean they instantly become top tier
@balmy wolf exactly my point, the pieces are dropped from a championship team aren't all like decay or NineK
If we're going to see fearless on the Fuel
There's going to be lots to look forward to
valid oxide
Also MCD to Spark and Jerry to NYXL
valid oxide
JJonak has been trialing for Spark, Charge, and Dynasty
sullen berry
Yup
valid oxide
Oh, and Glister is gonna go to Justice
sullen berry
Based on what, again?
balmy wolf
just ask a some t2 players about trials they've been doing recently
sullen berry
Those same leaks that gave us mandu to Charge last year or Nero to Glads?
balmy wolf
i remember we saw trial pics of birdring on glads and people were iffy on it
valid oxide
Although Shu to Glads is holding up quite well now
balmy wolf
its only been like 2 weeks and this off-season is hella better than last year
sullen berry
It does
balmy wolf
the shu/moth duo is an old one
sullen berry
Better in what way? The power shift or bigger name players being traded?
balmy wolf
i'd say this year holds the strongest lineup of rookies we've seen in a while
china, KR, and even EU t2 players all have amazing players waiting to get picked up
sullen berry
How many rookies are being traded, I'd have to list them out really
I agree season 3 with what little we got midseason it was a splash at the start of the season
Making up for no new franchise slots to work out the Homestand model with all 20 teams
hot heart
NYXL become apacs ATL
vague badger
The new spark training facility looks amazing
vague badger
Yee
I like that kind of aesthetic though so its good
They probably needed the upgrade after this season playing matches out of the teams' training facilities. Home stands coming back when covid clears up would be nice too
tropic herald
Just realized the Philly frontline is Mano Fury now
Jesus Christ
Talk about goated
valid oxide
Ye. Team Korea frontline!
I think their 2018 roster???
I forgot who played with Carpe tho
valid oxide
Yeah, Mano was 2017 and 2019
hot heart
Philly really need a star Flex dps
Rascal is the only one at that top level
so maybe him
tropic herald
Ivy is a really good flex dps doe
I guess if they can sign rascal sure
Or maybe they go for Pelican
karmic grotto
Pokpo to Dallas? That man was wasted in Reign
Rush can him unleash his full potential
Man's Winston is cracked
weak bolt
So Fusion to run two MT and two OT, or do we see somebody leave
hot onyx
If anyone leaves sadly I think it’s most likely poko
hot heart
Probably
plush grail
Poko could maybe join spitfire?
hot onyx
Plus poko has previous synergy with Benbest and SoOn
plush grail
probably getting dropped cause paris is going budget
they can't afford a top player like poko
hot onyx
I can’t see paris dropping their french players
That would lose them a large chunk of their fanbase from France
hot onyx
I could see them picking up contenders eu players
And dropping xzi
But if they drop the french players they lose the popularity
Regardless of money they do all they can to keep players like benbest and fdgod
hot onyx
Yeah you’re probably right
But they already released the top players like sparkle@and hanbin
So maybe that’s all the budgeting
Cut costs on the expensive korean players and do everything in their power to keep the french players
And build a team with 6 players
SoOn Nico Benbest and FdGod of course to start
hot heart
What
hot onyx
Then they might pick up poko with the money they earned from playoffs
hot onyx
Contract expiring and free agency does not mean they are off the team
plush grail
why would xzi and fdgod stay on a team where they're getting minimum pay when they can get a good chunk of money on a diffferent team
no
paris is broke
dallas is rich
dallas is owned by envyus
envyus is a massive or with tons of cash
plush grail
paris did make some good cash
but they probably had to spend that on the players they had
upper niche
Dallas don't have an infinite source of money.
plush grail
not infinite, but waaaay more than the other teams
upper niche
If you want that, you go to Boston :p
Just that Boston aren't putting any money in to the franchise anymore, they seem to have decided to leave it for dead.
plush grail
boston gave up
hot onyx
I mean
My best guess for bostons reputation is for new players to start out in owl and then move on
plush grail
the money in owl is just dumb
some teams have so much cash
and others can barely have contenders players
karmic grotto
How dumb? That's how it works
Every major league has rich clubs and less rich ones
hot onyx
But that’s not the case with this team because I personally don’t think any player on uprisings current roster other than myunbong would get signed to another team
plush grail
idk i just don't like how dallas is gonna keep buying full teams until it works out
this is attempt 2 now
karmic grotto
They never bought full teams
Except envy in S1
But they already existed as a team before owl
plush grail
they're picking up most of em rn
plush grail
also mano to fusion pog
he leaves the team that always chokes for the team that always ends at #2
hot onyx
The team that used to always end at #2
After shock releasing rascal and dragons releasing diem if fusion keep their current roster this is the year they get a title
plush grail
wait i just realised nyxl has no tanks at all now
hot onyx
Well yeah nxyl are gonna be rebuilding their entire roster
But weirdly enough as a fusion fan I’m not that hype for manos arrival
Sounds like I’m high I know but hear me out
Sado has performed out of his mind this season, playing far above everybody’s expectations
Making a name for himself as one of the best main tanks in the league, maybe even the best in some cases
He played way better than mano this season imo
Plus you have the synergy with sado and the team
So I feel that fusion got mano as a spare for when they need to play a more passive composition
If they use him as a full on replacement for sado I think that it will either be one of the best or one of the worst decisions made in esports
Not saying that mano is bad but compare his season this year to sado with team synergy thrown in the mix and it’s not really rocket science as to why sado would be the better choice for the starting position
I feel that mano himself would’ve been a good pickup for dallas if he’s wanting a starter position
Maybe even guangzhou if they’re planning on releasing rio
But that’s not happening and we can only wait and see wether this pickup will be the next starter or the next chipsa
next mesa
Xzi to uprising
plush light
Xzi to fuel
weak bolt
If Fusion are smart, Mano grinds Ball/Rein, Sado grinds Winston/Orisa. Rein was a weak point in Sado's game play and this fills the gap
raw ermine
If they keep both that's a potent tank line
weak bolt
If Philly really want to win, keeping both would be best
Sado can play aggressive, Mano passive. Dependant on meta, having options would be great
tropic herald
raw ermine
Noooooooooo
raw ermine
Rip
weak bolt
The translation says they're aiming to be back in 2021
Twitter
For full translation thread
spiral edge
i really hope SF shock find a good healer that could replace moth but moth going means twilight gets to play more and it means we will be seeing the shock playing the ana more often
cobalt spoke
No
It doesnt
If moth leaves they need a new main support
Not a flex support to start playing mercy and lucio
next mesa
Yeah lol
vagrant jacinth
Goodbye element mystic, see you soon
vagrant jacinth
2020 keeps on taking
hot heart
At least they'll be back
If they completely left esports
That would've been depressing
weak bolt
Mandu, Slime or FDGod seem the likely choices
weak bolt
I think it's unlikely, but always a possibility. Depends how mixed Shock want to remain
raw ermine
Super has slandered LJG so much
raw ermine
he did
echo quest
tropic herald
raw ermine
"O2boss"
lmao
gonna change his name to "ParisEternalBoss" or "VancouverTitansBoss"?
silk frost
"newyorkexcelsiorandxl2academybossona2-way"
next mesa
noob
silk frost
verbo is alive?!
next mesa
whos that
raw ermine
yeah
silk frost
yeah he was immortals with Fate, Envy, and Agilities
raw ermine
He was the MS before they traded for custa
silk frost
he was pretty good in Apex
vagrant jacinth
Wow, I don't remember him lmao
silk frost
damn I guess I am old
weak bolt
Doesnt Verbo retired and reappear every few months
raw ermine
not really
he left valiant, went to skyfoxes a month later, after a while became a manager, then left, the a large break happened, and now we're here
gilded dagger
plush light
yeah he was immortals with Fate, Envy, and Agilities
@silk frost you forgot kariv. XD
raw ermine
and GrimReality
next mesa
uh oh
silk frost
I didn't forgett kariv, just didn't mention
tawdry hamlet
Damn aspen is literally top 10 now in ladder, I wonder if she just hasn't been good enough in tryouts for league or at least an academy team
since I know league is her end goal
or maybe she wants to wait and see what happens with finnsi
tropic herald
Hasn’t she been on pretty meh teams
Like I don’t know if she is good or bad I just know the teams she’s on are all meh
tawdry hamlet
Doge was relatively good at one point
worn falcon
Doge was stomping
moment
tropic herald
Yea
Pain
What if
Mandu went to Dallas
Or maybe Boston
I’d be really okay with either
raw ermine
Mandu joins myungbong
karmic grotto
Wild prediction here
Crusty knows potential when he sees it
He will acquire Mandu
silk frost
idk
hidden vault
Twilight
next mesa
myunbong > alarm
solar bison
True
hot heart
Myungbang
silk frost
I'd say Twilight is best
his Moira and Ana are definitely #1, his Zen is top 3, his bap is okay,
only argument is Alarm because Alarm is more flexible
Myungbong is a more offensively good ana but his bap and moira are solidly worse than Twilight imo
hot heart
If viol2t had a good ana he would be #1 i think
Best zen and bap in the league i think
balmy wolf
stats wise viol2t has a top 5 ana
however people circle jerk that he doesnt have a good ana
granted its not something we dont see a lot, but hes worst hero is still better than the majority of the league
plush light
Fielder > jjonak
On ana. Zen is comparable.
plush light
Is Anamo really better than Mandu?
weak bolt
Anamo is a safe reliable bet if you're nyxl. Mandu probably has more potential, but seemed to also be a bit more risky
next mesa
Nah I think we all know that viol2ts ana is good, it's just that twilight is on his team
native bramble
raw ermine
I could see jjonak leave nyxl. Being fed up
plush light
I could see surefour going to London as a player or content creator given how long he was on c9
raw ermine
Doubt its as a player, he probably wants to retire and london wants EU players
weak bolt
Titans are probably paying minimum salaries, so chances are they're gonna wait it out a while before signings
No point rushing to get people at 50k. Wait a few weeks/months and then have your choice of the desperate remains
hot heart
Imagine being vancouver rn
Or a vancouver fan
Literally every other team has a better chance of winning something than you
tough wharf
even boston?
hot heart
Ye
They re-signed myungbong
Thats better than anything vancouver could do tbh
And they have Fusions and punk
Not insanely good
But fine
next mesa
Lmfao that's facts
No matter what for titans half of your team is like mediocre at best
weak bolt
Could be worse, could be a Paris fan
balmy wolf
im a shanghai and Houston fan
umbral zodiac
jjonak is better than fielder on ana imo
noble nexus
yeah I mean we've only seen fielder on 200 ping and he looks clean so he's probably a nut on low ping
either that or he's so used to high ping he just flops l0l
noble nexus
I mean it was a joke but if he's actually so used to playing on high ping surely it would take time to adjust to low ping again
noble nexus
considering it's such a big difference between 200 ping and lower ping
next mesa
I mean cmon you're already pretty insane on 200 ping
noble nexus
yeah he's a fucking nut rn
plush light
Its worse if your a s1 boston fan
plush light
I meant in the off-season after season 1
plush light
When they signed c-hex and blasé as their dps duo
noble nexus
yeahh
I don't think c-hex is that bad
he's probably like below average
but not horrible
atleast they're looking better than the titans this offseason
chilly obsidian
i like the dragons
raw ermine
Season one boston was the best they were. They had striker, and Gamsu-Note in a dive meta
silk frost
And neko and kellex on their best heroes
noble nexus
shame he was a fuckin degen
cobalt spoke
Who?
trail perch
Why not, if philly gets rascal and mandu, they have all korean
hot heart
You're competing against an established top lucio
hot heart
Shock dont have a lucio
weak bolt
Why are we assuming Sado is leaving
trail perch
astros brig and bap arent the best
weak bolt
If Philly are willing to run Poko/Fury all year, they'd be happy to do Mano/Sado
hot heart
Im not assuming im just thinking whats phillys plan for him
weak bolt
Sado plays a lot more aggressive than Mano
trail perch
Like in game leaders, but there is no reason to have sado in when mano is better
hot heart
Hopefully NineK sorts that out
weak bolt
I'd almost say you could pair them up, Sado/Fury for hyper aggro metas, and Mano/Poko for more defensive ones
tropic herald
Mano is very aggro...
trail perch
Have you seen s2 nyxl
tropic herald
Like watch mano on rein and ball
trail perch
Mano can switch his entire style to fit anything
weak bolt
Mano isn't a big playmaker at all, even Super said so lately
trail perch
There is no reason for Sado when Mano is there
trail perch
Super isnt the fucking gold standard for ideas
tropic herald
Mano is a play maker on rein
trail perch
Not everything he says is correct
weak bolt
Perhaps, but he's also the one who's played against Mano and knows MT better than allof us
trail perch
Remember when he said Viol2t is the best player in the world?
hot heart
Yeah
trail perch
when hes not even the best support?
tropic herald
Who are you putting over Viol2t on support?
trail perch
Twilight
tropic herald
Really huh
hot heart
Nah
trail perch
or alarm
weak bolt
For Ana maybe, but thats it
hot heart
If its not Ana
trail perch
Becuas of moira and ana
hot heart
Then just no
trail perch
Because
hot heart
Yeah moira too
weak bolt
Viol2t is far better on Zen/Bap/Moira than Twilight
hot heart
But his zen bap
hot heart
Honestly just fucking insane
tropic herald
I’d say Viol2t Bap is even to Twilight
trail perch
They are definetly comprable
tropic herald
You just got very diff play styles
weak bolt
If twilight was better, he'd have played finals
trail perch
Not true, they ran zen for finals
tropic herald
Viol2t is so insanely good at zen
trail perch
and Viol2t has a better zen
tropic herald
Not running him is a throw
hot heart
Twighlight is still on the same level
tropic herald
Yeah
hot heart
Viol2t just has the edge on some heroes
trail perch
Yall are also sleeping on alarm
hot heart
And twighlight has the edge on others
tropic herald
I like Alarm on Ana a lot
trail perch
Who is very comprable in all of these characters
hot heart
Alarm has been freakish
weak bolt
Alarm is good, again best on Ana. His Zen isn't at Viol2ts level
trail perch
Talking pure stats, Viol2t and twilight are the best
on Zen
With alarm next
and then Jjonack
jjonak
tropic herald
I assume Shu and Izayaki fit in somewhere next
trail perch
yes
hot heart
Yeah
trail perch
with bdosin and crimzo
tropic herald
Remember when Dallas had really bug scrimbuxs
weak bolt
I just think you could keep Sado for Orisa/Winston metas and Mano for Rein/Ball. Have them split focus and specialise more
tropic herald
Big
hot heart
So
trail perch
on ana, top 10
next mesa
Crimzo sucks
next mesa
Lol
hot heart
At the end of the season
next mesa
Are you a fanboy
weak bolt
Crimzo is ok, but he's probably not good enough to secure a top team
trail perch
Im talking pure stats
trail perch
healing and damage
weak bolt
I doubt he'll even be in OWL next year unless he's willing to join a budget team
weak bolt
Toronto may sign him as the token canadian I guess
trail perch
His stats are genuinley top 10
noble nexus
his stats are probably padded
trail perch
And thats just a fact
hot heart
He farms stats
next mesa
he's okay
trail perch
If he was on a better team then everyone would be hyping him up
trail perch
Yes
hot heart
Crimzo is crimzo
noble nexus
yeah I don't know about that
next mesa
noble nexus
he's just pretty mediocre
next mesa
Crimzo sucks
hot heart
Yeah
trail perch
Thats months old
hot heart
Okay?
trail perch
From like may
next mesa
so?
noble nexus
yeah that doesn't invalidate it
trail perch
Ever heard of improvement?
next mesa
didn't you say he was top 10 in stats
hot heart
@trail perch make a list of your top FS
trail perch
Ok
next mesa
lol
noble nexus
not even close
hot heart
ROTY
weak bolt
Crimzo ain't getting on a top team this year. If he was top 10, he'd likely be joining one
hot heart
Built different
noble nexus
he should've gotten ROTY
hot heart
True
noble nexus
just stolen from him
hot heart
Crimzo ain't getting on a top team this year. If he was top 10, he'd likely be joining one
@weak bolt yeah
noble nexus
yeah I think he's a great pickup for a team that aren't willing to spend much on a FS
trail perch
Twilight, viol2t, alarm, izayaki, shu, jjonak, fielder, creative, bdosin, crimzo, myungbong
top 11
next mesa
you put myunbong below crimzo
hot heart
Im not gonna even think about thag
noble nexus
is that in order?
next mesa
myunbong > alarm
trail perch
yes
next mesa
lol
weak bolt
crimzo 14th highest healing for Ana in S3
hot heart
What is this man doing
weak bolt
That's out of 23 Ana
trail perch
How many flex supports?
hot heart
Ye
next mesa
wait send me link for stats I cant find it
noble nexus
Yeah FS is a stacked role
weak bolt
Crimzo at 8.4k HP/10, and Fielder at 12.2k HP/10
next mesa
myunbong was clearly better than alarm in contenders
it's just tragic he landed in boston tbh
hot heart
Glads pull a fast one and get their hands on molly
weak bolt
Roolf is at 10.2k HP/10 and you can bet Titans need just as much healing as Fuel
weak bolt
For Lucio?
next mesa
carcar
hot heart
Ye
weak bolt
Btw
weak bolt
Crimzo is the 3rd worst Moira fo rhealing
weak bolt
Only beat Kyo and Highly per 10 mins
hot heart
Kyo
trail perch
hot heart
That dude didnt even play for most of the season if im not mistaken
trail perch
set it to only support characters
and the entire season
Crimzo rates very consistantly on the top end
weak bolt
Honestly Crimzo's stats look like he's inflated his offensive stats because Dallas were awful
hot heart
O
hot heart
It do be like that
trail perch
Seems like ur just a lunatic high korean simp
trail perch
Crimzo
trail perch
But yall just arent listening to facts
raw ermine
their really aren't any good western flex supports
next mesa
@trail perch nah im just not stupid lmfao
earnest leaf
Sleepy 
trail perch
yes
weak bolt
What stats of Crimzo should we be looking at?
weak bolt
I looked a thealing per 10
silk frost
There are plenty of good non-korean flex supports
weak bolt
He's 3rd from bottom on Moira
trail perch
your just wrong
next mesa
molly is asian it counts
hot heart
How
silk frost
I'd say he or roolf has to be considered good
trail perch
crimzo is above jjonak
hot heart
Am i at all wronf
silk frost
Ripa is very good
silk frost
Well that's a bloated stat if there ever was one
Everyone knows Jjonak sucks at Moira
earnest leaf
Are people trying to use stats to prove the skill of a player
weak bolt
trail perch
I was using jjonak as a benchmark
silk frost
I mean Crimzo was a decent player for the Fuel
next mesa
crimzo was okay
earnest leaf
He's not bad
earnest leaf
Just nothing special