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hot heart
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Mano Moth Shu

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Glads are gearing up

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Holy

karmic grotto
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Shock goes for Korean

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Will they pick up someone from KR/CN?

uneven glade
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its mixed

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and probably will stayed mixed

balmy wolf
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idk think shock is gonna trade for a MS, their gonna be looking at guys from KR

hot heart
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Hmm

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Shock unique

balmy wolf
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i thinks he average

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his team did shit in contenders as well

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Faith from WGS is a good candidate for them

uneven glade
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who would they trade?

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they would buy

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they dont have anyone to trade

plush light
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Carpe and Heesu aren't bad, Carpe just lacks any diversity in hero pool, I can't think of anything he's particularly good at other than widow
@tawdry hamlet Carpe is top tier at everything hitscan, and can play good genji

tidal ridge
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noooo not moth

tawdry hamlet
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He may be good but all the other top tiers are better than him, they need a real specialist is my point otherwise they'll just sit in 2nd place again. Since ans is better widow and striker is better tracer.

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Idk in the finals it just looked like they couldn't adapt at all

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But that was likely more meta related

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Anywayyy I wanna see more signings already pepeheartcry

plush light
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They should have played Carpe ivy in the finals

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They played heesu over carpe

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They also could have played carpe chipsa #nochipsanowin

tawdry hamlet
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Ok but dats fax

plush light
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I think the issue was that they practiced the comp with dive and no hog, which wasn't meta like they thought

umbral zodiac
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nah

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they knew what the meta eas

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just different style

weak bolt
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Fusion just weren't good enough at those heroes in that meta

umbral zodiac
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they played a flank hog style while everyone else played the frontline hog

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they tried to adapt but failed

weak bolt
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Sado hog, worst of 4. Astro mercy, worst of 4. Heesu widow, worst of 4 etc.

true hound
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carpe is just their best widow and tracer player but like

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there isn’t two of him

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so idk who you’d pick up along Carpe

tropic herald
true hound
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oo

tawdry hamlet
weak bolt
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I think even if Carpe played Widow, he was still the 4th best in playoffs. ANS/Fits/Diem have been better

tawdry hamlet
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Idk I had him above fits but fits really showed up so not sure anymore

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Wonder where Xzi sits in the widow ranking

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Or how Linkzr compares to the top widows like ans

weak bolt
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Linkzr could probably keep up on his good days, but his problems always been consistency

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Also moth to Gladiators is surprising, would Super remain on Shock as the only non korean

tawdry hamlet
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Wish there was a better way to compare na to apac widows

neon oar
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Wait is that true?

tawdry hamlet
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I want to see how mr logix stacks up to top widows pepeheartcry

neon oar
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Moth to glads?

weak bolt
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It's a rumour currently, but Halo has been pretty accurate so far

tropic herald
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Halo is generally right

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Of course look at the articles wording

neon oar
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Has gladiator had any good pickups yet? I dont keep up to date with na west exept for shock

weak bolt
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They're rumoured to be getting Shu and Moth so far, but nothign confirmed

tropic herald
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Glads are supposed to pick up Shu

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So if Moth is also going

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That’s a nasty good backline

neon oar
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Yeah

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Where do you think rascal is gonna go

tropic herald
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Idk

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Lots of places

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I imagine a team like Washington or Boston really wants him

weak bolt
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Whereever he wants honestly. I think most teams would tke him

tropic herald
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Guangzhou too

neon oar
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Washington will be really good with him

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I'm definatly not bias towards that

weak bolt
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I don't think he'd join a team with no prospects like Boston honestly

tropic herald
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Valiant maybe

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Neither of the Texas teams doe

weak bolt
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I'd like to see him to Seoul honestly, put him alongside Fits and Profit

karmic grotto
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HAHAHA

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jjonak is destroying mirage on zen

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overwatch league players though...

silk frost
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If moth shu and mano are on glads

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That will be a shock-level team

hidden vault
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Mano not staying with nyxl?

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Is meko staying with houston?

silk frost
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Idk

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I just heard rumors that mano and shu are going to the same team

karmic grotto
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From who?

plush grail
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wait so nyxl ''traded'' mano right

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who are they getting in exchange

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from glads then

burnt pagoda
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if glads get moth,super,rascal,and violet that would be insane

plush grail
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oge teasing getting some big money?

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only korean players the glads have/had are birdring, oge and bischu

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and i doubt they would be interested in any of those

burnt pagoda
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oge is gone

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from glads

plush grail
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yeah but still he might just be a FA rn seeing if any other teams could give a better offer

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im actually gonna lose my shit if suddenly shock and paris just start selling players

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paris already sold most of their big pieces

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but if shock gets rid of racsal, viol2t and moth

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what the fuck

weak bolt
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Shock dropping Rascal seemed innevtible when they signed Ta1yo. Moth going might signal the intent for them to go full Korean. Viol2t wont go anywhere I'm sure

tropic herald
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What main support replaces Moth

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Slime?

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Maybe they get slime

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Which would be Pog

cobalt spoke
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Nah

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super wont leave

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People still think shock isnt the best team

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Until then super will probably stay

tropic herald
hidden vault
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i think super will stay

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the only other person that I think could match up to the "korean" level

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is Space

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it us sad that they wanted to sign moth away

cobalt spoke
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Wdym

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The korean level

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Are you talking about like all players?

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@hidden vault ???

tawdry hamlet
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I mean, tbh it is just usually accurate that Korean or apac players are better at the game. I think he's getting at that like, there are not a lot of na players that stack up well to apac ones other than super, like you look at the best dps America has with like Danteh and some others while korea has profit ans diem carpe etc.

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Not to generalize or be racist or anything tho, not my intention

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Name another good na main tank besides super or space

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Hmm

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Ohh yeah Gator!

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I forgot about him

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He isn't bad

willow tartan
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What is the most one-sided game in overwatch pro history, like not just owl but was there a team that just got utterly stomped or were basically throwing?

tawdry hamlet
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Hmm

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I'd look at the record for fastest captures and you'd probably find your answer

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Not sure where to find that though

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Or just look at some boston matches

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Boston vs Gladiators a few months ago was like that

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This one was painful to watch lmaoo

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It is so frustrating too because individually boston doesn't have a horrible roster they just synergize horribly

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Chex was especially rough

plush grail
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remember when punk got signed

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and they won a game

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and we were expecting a redemption arc

tawdry hamlet
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Jerry I think has potential as a good flex if he was with a better team

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Colourhex I don't think is consistent enough for league, maybe contenders

plush grail
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it's just odd

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because some great players came from boston

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like gamsu, striker and aimgod

hidden vault
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Are you talking about like all players?
more like the korean players of shock. or rather shock players. like what cool said there isn't any other na players who are that good

plush grail
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also real question

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who was the most expensive pickup for boston

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across all seasons

hidden vault
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i suppose

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the forbidden ones

plush grail
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why tho

tawdry hamlet
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Wonder if Houston will ever be good

plush grail
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never

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they're also never gonna win the battle for texas ever again lmao

tawdry hamlet
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Chengdu is the houston of apac lolll

plush grail
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idk chengdu suck

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but atleast they're fun with the wrecking ball shenanigans

raw ermine
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Man, moth to lag?

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Dang

next mesa
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the most one sided

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is probably shock vs titans

vagrant jacinth
next mesa
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what the fuck lmao

silk frost
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fun fact: The Houston Outlaws have won the LEAST playoff series

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#2 is a tie between chengdu and boston tied

raw ermine
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WAITT

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AHAHA

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your joking

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please dont be

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awww it is a joke

tawdry hamlet
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Chad would have been sick

raw ermine
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Now that moth is going to glads supposedly

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him and shu reunite

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assuming both are true

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from toronto esports

next mesa
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moth leaving?

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sus

raw ermine
vagrant jacinth
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Yeah, rumours moth is off to glads sad

raw ermine
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It's exciting though

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glads could be a powerhouse again

vagrant jacinth
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Chengdu chads would've been amazing though hahaha

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Just getting me more excited for next season

weak bolt
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I could kind of see some of the SF shock players wanting a new challenge honestly. They've won it twice already, why not try to do it with a different team

next mesa
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glads were a powerhouse?

raw ermine
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s1 they were really good

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s2 they did well in playoffs

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s3 they fell

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s4 they're back

karmic grotto
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OGE signed?

raw ermine
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seems like it

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posted a bunch of money signs

edgy tinsel
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s1 they were really good
@raw ermine s1 they had fissure*

raw ermine
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yeah

tawdry hamlet
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Ok someone who got the skins, what platform, browser, and pc or mobile did you watch I just want it to work lmao

supple prism
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I got the sym skin but not the mercy skin. Both PC and Mobile works and I use Firefox. I think the green dot can be misleading as only seems apply to the video playing and not any of the other requirements. I will try to figure out which requirements are real to get it to work well.

tawdry hamlet
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aight I will try firefox since crome is not working for me

vagrant jacinth
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Pain if true

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pepehands

raw ermine
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Hmm I guess covid hit them hard

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Hopefully they return after

next mesa
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o

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I was just about to post

raw ermine
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Yeah that seems to be all the teams they have. They already disbanded the r6 roster they had

earnest leaf
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Rumour sms is coming back apparently

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Or a chance maybe

tidal ridge
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sms?

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seominsoo?

next mesa
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doy

raw ermine
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Where was this rumored?

tidal ridge
raw ermine
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They need to give some sort of reward or something to honor element mystic for all they have done if they do disband

tidal ridge
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this tweet

blissful wadi
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If anyone cares I made this

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It has some flaws to it but I think it’s interesting

weak bolt
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I think we'd need some context. Looks like a rating system, but numbers are based on what other than personal weighting

blissful wadi
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Sorry

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Championships-15
Finals appearance-7
Playoff appearances-3
Playoff wins-5
MVP-1.5
Midseason tournament win-3
Win-0.1 per win/# of seasons (multiplier)
This is the formula I used
I added all of the values and then multiplied by the #of games won divided by the seasons they played.

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Point values for each category

weak bolt
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You'd probably want to consider that the Win column will heavily favour teams from S1, as that was 40 games vs 27 in S3 for example

tidal ridge
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Uprising still higher than Fuel

next mesa
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yeah because uprising did pretty good in s1

weak bolt
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yeah the playoff appearance giving the equivalent of 30 wins helps

tidal ridge
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yeah

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funny seeing titans #5 because of runaway

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lmao

kindred arch
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Hey guys I have been playing overwatch and I want to join the overwatch league.

weak bolt
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If you're putting serious effort into evaluating teams, you likely want to break it into each season

tidal ridge
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Some teams have tryouts on their social media

weak bolt
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@kindred arch Check teams twitter pages. You'll need to have been hitting like 4300SR for multiple seasons

true hound
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not even 4300 i think

tidal ridge
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yeah

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that's what I was thinking

true hound
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most want like, minimum 4.6/4.7k peak

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for multiple szns

tidal ridge
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Yeah

weak bolt
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4.3k was lowest I've seen I think, but yeah most want higher

true hound
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ye

tidal ridge
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Unless you're a god at ladder it is recommended to join a contenders team first

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To see if you can actually perform in a competitive scene

weak bolt
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If you're genuine about wanting to play properly, look into finding an Open Division team first, then contenders, and then OWL

tidal ridge
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ok

next mesa
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not the place

true hound
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bruh

tidal ridge
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Were Uprising at a genuine loss when they lost DreamKazper or Mouffin?

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Was*

raw ermine
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Holy crap how are these people this stupid? Do they honestly think they can at everyone on a server with 200k ppl? Why not do this on a csgo server?

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Dreamkapzer was good

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He was the gigaflex

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Similar to architect

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Mouffin was ok

blissful wadi
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There are many flaws to my system

raw ermine
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They had Brussen so they were able to play still

blissful wadi
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I’m going to be doing another one after next season that should hopefully be better

karmic grotto
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But Brussen..

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Couldn't perform to our expectations

weak bolt
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Problem with rankings is that everyone has different values on wins, tournaments, playoffs, mvp etc.

blissful wadi
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Yeah it’s just so difficult to do with only 3 seasons

tidal ridge
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in season 2 stage 1, 5 teams went 4-3 and 4 teams had a hiigher record

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whcih means 1 of the teams that went 4-3 wouldnt qualiify for the playoffs

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which was the fuel

kindred arch
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So to join the team I will have to be like 4300 times?

tidal ridge
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i wonder how that worked

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"the team" is very broad

next mesa
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4300 sr minimum

weak bolt
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What is your SR in competitive @kindred arch ? That'll determine what kind of team you're looking at

raw ermine
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to join what??

next mesa
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this random guy wants to join overwatch league

karmic grotto
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LOL

raw ermine
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I see

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4600 is reasonable for a decent owl player who plays comp a lot

tidal ridge
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it also depends what region you'ree in and what languages you speak

raw ermine
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Korean, Chinese, and English are the 3 main languages

plush grail
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4600 is the average for every owl team

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except for boston

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boston is like 2000 minimum and you're good

next mesa
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tell that to myunbong big dong long schlong

tidal ridge
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super's genji play is like masters

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and boston got 3-0d

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and super played all 3 maps

earnest leaf
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think super maintained like a 46% WR and 4100 as genji

upper niche
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The way this Contenders caster pronounce 'Obey' is infuriating.

earnest leaf
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when he was overtuned too lol

next mesa
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oh-bay?

tidal ridge
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i dont watch contenders because i cant stand the casters

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im too used to OWL casters

upper niche
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I just realised it's both of them. It's not a fucking Oboe.

plush grail
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owl casters are actually pog rn

next mesa
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oh-bay?

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it's fine imo

upper niche
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it's not 'fine'.

next mesa
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it is

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oh-bay

plush grail
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kinda weird if you're a caster but you're mispronouncing names lmao

upper niche
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Yeah, with a six year pause between the two syllables.

plush grail
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imagine your job being to say names

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and failing at that

tidal ridge
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what has been the hardest name to pronounce for casters in OWL

plush grail
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not a single name

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but the ksp ksf duo

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was fun

tidal ridge
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KSF is initials

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KSAA is like king of saudi arabia or something

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but what does KSP mean

plush grail
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kill stealing prick

solar bison
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Probably not

plush grail
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joking

tidal ridge
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how many final blows does ksp have

plush grail
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alot of people mispronounced dreamkazper, it's pronounced as childgrazper

next mesa
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chinese ones?

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;ole

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like

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yangxiaolong

tidal ridge
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but thats not hard to pronounce

plush grail
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also janus

tidal ridge
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the englishized version of it

karmic grotto
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Cringe

upper niche
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WTF, Kellex is in Contenders now?

karmic grotto
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Yes

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Quite some time

raw ermine
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joined BH after jofi left

tropic herald
digital cloud
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never heard of him

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is he good?

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wait, I guess that means meko is probably out

raw ermine
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lets see

digital cloud
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or they want a backup

raw ermine
digital cloud
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well that seems promising

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keep meko though

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AND GET A MT

raw ermine
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Been with the for the time they dominated pacific contenders

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they're the only off tank

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and the longest standing member

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put that all together

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seems like a hot prospect

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also this is important for all of us

silk frost
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pog

weak bolt
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Seems a very random Houston signing, must be letting Meko go I guess

silk frost
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yeah I was expecting Piggy to be picked up, he's probably my pick for strongest player on Talon

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him or maybe Stellar

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I think Assassin may go to Justice

karmic grotto
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Not quite random

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I've been following KR

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He's good

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And comes fresh from high quality competition

weak bolt
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Agreed, but Houston just seems weird. You'd think it'd be someone like NYXL that'd be top chasing him

raw ermine
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Houston randomly gets really good players and surrounds them with mediocre players, and other parts that aren't great

digital cloud
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yeah, they got meko and Danteh, but had the likes of blase and jecse around them

weak bolt
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NA could be crazy next year though honestly, if Dallas, Gladiators, Justice & Houston are all investing well into their teams

digital cloud
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would be nice

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I sort of doubt Dallas or Houston gets good though

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Dallas always fails somehow

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and Houston I don't think ever is really in the running

weak bolt
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Dallas cleared house, if they can keep Hastr0 out of the team as much as possible, they should be passed their old ways hopefully

solar bison
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Dallas has lots of hype for s4

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And they have made very big moves

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With Rush as head coach, the chances of dallas failing are lower than previous years

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With justice keeping decay and picking up MAG, it is a step in the right direction and I am sure they will continue to pick up some good players, or at least get their current ones to improve

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Houston and Glads havent made many official signings yet, but Houston has got junkbuck, who was mentored by crusty

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Glads also have new GM and coach

weak bolt
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If rumours of Glads getting Shu/Moth are true, it's substantial. They'd just need a top quality MT

solar bison
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Yeah

raw ermine
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If covid wasn't here I could see some OW academy teams coming back

solar bison
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But, as a personal glads fan, i dont want to put to much hope into the moth signing since as of yet its just a rumor

raw ermine
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like alt acad, xl2, glad leg

solar bison
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What happened to them?

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I dont remember

weak bolt
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Contenders wasn't profitable

solar bison
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Makes sense

weak bolt
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London get away with it as Hurricane just win everything I guess

raw ermine
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They all said they aren't paticipating in the next season of contenders

weak bolt
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yeah as joining OWL 😄

solar bison
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Hurricane?

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Yeah

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They graduated

tropic herald
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Wait a second

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Viol2t and Moth leaving?

weak bolt
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Viol2t has been trolling hard

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Apparantly he saw rumours of him to Seoul, so he started following them all

solar bison
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And he ends up actually going to seoul

tropic herald
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I’m starting to believe SLime to Shock

weak bolt
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It'd make sense really

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Part of me wonders how invested Shock will be into S4 after winning twice. Will they match spending required

hot heart
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Shock just becomes part OG runaway

raw ermine
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I wonder if sparkr gets signed and they wait til he is 18 or they keep him in BH

silk frost
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probably signed

weak bolt
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June 10th for Bday, so probably signed

next mesa
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Sparkr vsnsparkle

hot heart
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Sparkler

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Please no

raw ermine
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yeah we saw. Very sad unfortunately

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Covid hit them hard

hot heart
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This just sucks

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Hopefully they can make a return at some point to OW

raw ermine
silk frost
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FUCK IT

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SEOMINSOO

digital cloud
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would he be any good at this point?

silk frost
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no way to know

digital cloud
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I mean not for sure

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but we sort of speculate a lot here

silk frost
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I'm gonna guess he's okay, and he'll have a good year next year

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or he's washed and he's retiring

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one or the other

raw ermine
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if you need a zarya or doom specialist

silk frost
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maybe his tracer is ok?

hot heart
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His zarya was top tier

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So its probably decent

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Or good

balmy wolf
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i dont think we've seen seo true potential yet, the majority of his hero pool is projectile

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however his other dps partner was haksal so sometimes flex onto certain heroes where haksal was the better dps

next mesa
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seominsoo

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lets gooooooooooo

cobalt spoke
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Immacryminsoo redsSad

silk frost
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levy add SMS to your name

next mesa
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I literally do not have any more fuckin space but ill try

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also does whoru sms dps duo make sense

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jeje

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Levy JehongWhoruEscaSMSOWLChamps

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okay

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easy

solar bison
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32 characters in that name

next mesa
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dude Im pretty sure this is max

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yeah

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its' max

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I can't add another

raw ermine
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Y'all remember when in contenders Korea when runaway played element mystic and bumper did the hiding shatter on horizon lunar colony and the caster said "goodbye goodnight element mystic? Kinda sad to think about now that they might disband.

hot heart
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I dont remember that but now im just more sad

solar bison
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I don’t remember but yeah, now they are going to sleep

silk frost
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when was that?

flat sky
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Man , as a shock fan I am hoping that shock are trolling with moth and halo is wrong for once

silk frost
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what'll they do do you think?

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maybe scouting hoping for good pickups?

flat sky
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No one can , if you think about it can replace moth

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He is a good middle ground lucio player

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And has a very wide hero pool

silk frost
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yeah he was my MVP vote

flat sky
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And most importantly doesn't feed like leejeagon

silk frost
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and just better than like FDGod and FA

flat sky
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Ya

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Astro's mercy was bullshit

tidal ridge
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as a shock fan i dont mind

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this is an opportunity to have a full korean starting lineup

silk frost
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are you complaining about the non-korean one

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?

hidden vault
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i would prefer shock to maintain both western and korean rosters

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I'm surprised they've not gotten any korean ms as a back up for moth for 2 season straight

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but have done so for super and sinatraa it probably shows that he is that good

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this is an opportunity to have a full korean starting lineup
but yeah would be good to elaborate

hot heart
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There arent better options than moth i think

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Like who else is gonna be able to fill his role in the team well

umbral zodiac
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imo moth is the best main support out there

hot heart
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Overall yeah

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Its probably a money thing

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Well

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Maybe not

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They literally just won the OWL

umbral zodiac
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could be a money thing

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we really don't know what's going on

hot heart
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Yeah

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But moth is gonna find a good home

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If the glads rumours are true

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He'll be backed up by a good team

silk frost
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imo moth is the best player

hidden vault
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funnyastro? who can shot call?

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or slime

weak bolt
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Guess nyxl clearing house a bit too

weak bolt
hidden vault
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nyxl is like the last old timer group

tawdry hamlet
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Oooh I hope houston pick up piggy

balmy wolf
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ooh mandu is on the market

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thats pretty huge since he was the best MS in contenders but he got hard benched

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well dead even ljg in contenders in terms of skill

plush light
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Mandu to boston

hot heart
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Man

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What are paris planning

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They literally just dropped al their french players

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0 man roster i think

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What the fuck

balmy wolf
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still got fdgod

hot heart
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Build around fdgod maybe?

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Idk

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They probably drop him

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If paris dont have some mastermind plan up their sleeve

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They're done for

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The problem i have is that they could have made a good roster with the remaining players and the money they received from the trade

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But they just threw it away

balmy wolf
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well they havent picked anyone up yet

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so we'll see if their still a mid tier team

hot heart
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Honestly

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After dallas and washington just leveling up

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I cant see paris being mid tier

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Not unless they make huge plays

balmy wolf
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im not putting stocks in washington again this time

hot heart
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Im putting stonks in if they pickup a good MS

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Or some freak at flex dps

plush grail
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wait did roster changes happen

raw ermine
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Since yesterday?

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Seems to only be mandu being lft

hot heart
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And the rest of paris yeah

plush grail
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where did paris get dropped

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im not seeing it on their twitter

hot heart
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Because it isnt there

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The players posted LFT

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Fdgod is the only remaining player left on paris

next mesa
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Wizardhyeong left seoul

clear crane
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I am no longer a Paris fan 😦

hot heart
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Yeah

clear crane
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Which team should I jump on next

hot heart
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He's LFT Rn

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And is willing to join budget teams

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So thats something

next mesa
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Fighting

hot heart
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Which team should I jump on next
@clear crane honestly

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I stopped supporting paris too

next mesa
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I'm rooting for whichever team jehong joins

hot heart
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So i dont have a team rn too

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So idk

next mesa
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O

hot heart
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Maybe dallas?

clear crane
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I dont think I can root for Dallas haha

next mesa
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Just be a whore and pick dallas

clear crane
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given Hastro

hot heart
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Yeah

next mesa
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You're there for the players

clear crane
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even tho I love the EM peeps

hot heart
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Hmmm

clear crane
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yup the players

hot heart
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What about washington?

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Or like

clear crane
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and I've always been a hugeeee Rogue fan

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so I honestly just might wait to see where Soon/Nico goes

hot heart
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I feel like soon could go to defiant depending on what they wanna do

clear crane
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My 2nd fav team last year as Toronto

next mesa
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I supported titans because runaway and jehong not because of the org lol

clear crane
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yea they might be my main team now

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I know they have no one right now but KDG is already better den whatever Paris is gonna do

hot heart
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Titans have no plan for 2021 i bet

clear crane
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and they had parts of my old valiant core that I loved last year in Kariv and Agilities

next mesa
#

Someone post Paris

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Dropping all of their players?

clear crane
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it looks like its everyone

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besides FDGod

hot heart
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Yep

clear crane
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Avalla needs to gtfo

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she deserves much better

hot heart
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Avalla to dallas

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Idk man

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I feel like dallas have superstar players

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But its like they cant escape their past

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Even after dropping everyone

clear crane
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I just don't get what they are doing. One of the few teams who were able to put up some sort of fight this year against the reining champs. And then they go and do this. Fine, ur selling all the korean players for money, but now u pretty much fucked over the rest of ur fanbase by getting rid of the french core. The McCourt family really are scumbags

weak bolt
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Wait, Paris dropping all their french players? wtf

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Maybe it's all part of a huge master plan, and they're building round Xzi 😄

clear crane
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xzi confirmed he was leaving

weak bolt
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yeah. I think only person remaining currently is FDGod?

clear crane
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and Avalla 😦

cobalt spoke
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@next mesa fuck the titans org

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You see how they did tsuna?

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I remember the time shock gave them a spanking

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Originally I thought it was too far

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But now I think they deserved it

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And maybe shock didnt go far enough

earnest leaf
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So paris thanos snapped their roster huh

raw ermine
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Yeah. Now they only have a reddit lucio. All you need tho

earnest leaf
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Fdgod and xzi only right?

raw ermine
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People are saying xzi is gone but I couldn't find where it send that

weak bolt
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Theres been no confirmation he's leaving for sure

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I think people took his "I'll miss all the Paris players" to mean he was leaving

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But we've possibly all been uno reverse carded and he's staying

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What if Paris is actually spending big, and buys Mano, Mek0, Rascal, + contenders FS

raw ermine
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Would be nuts

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Kariv?

weak bolt
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Or they alternative is they're going cheap as hell and picking up a random EU roster mix

plush grail
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what im expecting is that

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london picks up the more expensive EU talent

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like the french players

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and paris is going for scraps

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if london doesn't atleast spend some cash on some big EU talent

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it's just confirmed that they dont really care anymore

raw ermine
#

Halo confirmed they wanna promote all of bh, so then plus a hitscan dps to play til sparkr is here and another flex support

plush grail
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bh is a 6 man team

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they'll need atleast 1 more for backup

raw ermine
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Yeah. A flex support and a hitscan dps

plush grail
#

they could pick up someone like bdosin

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maybe even gesture and profit

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birdring is good too

plush light
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Bh is a European team

plush grail
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yeh im joking

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they're all from the og dream team spitfire

plush light
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They could sign shaz and ksp or onigod

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Onigod should replace sparkr until he turns 18

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Spitfire originally wanted a mix between c9 kongdoo and c9 eu

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With sinatraa, space, and mowzassa

worn falcon
#

Paris org pulling a Vancouver PogChimp

tropic herald
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Didn’t Shaz retire

tough wharf
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yep

plush grail
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he jsut didn't wanna play anymore right

tough wharf
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linkzr changed his smurf account profile pic to london spitfire logo, so there is your hitscan

plush grail
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oh wait yeah he's finnish

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linkzr fits in perfectly

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bh is mostly scandinavian

tough wharf
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he can be the father figure also

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as he is 26 which is old in owl

clear crane
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apparently xzi had an ama and said he has offers from other teams but not signed yet

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hence why we think hes gone, but like comeon, hes 100000% gone

weak bolt
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Until Paris make an actual signing showing their plans, I'm going to speculate they're gonna buy Mano, Meko, Rascal, and a top flex support. 😄

plush light
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Onigod would work better than linkzr in case of tracer meta

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Biggose retired, not shaz

raw ermine
#

Shaz did as well

next mesa
#

soon dallas?

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nah

solar bison
#

I dont see that happening

weak bolt
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Soon to Spitfire would work for them honestly

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Experienced hitscan/tracer player

raw ermine
#

Soon could retire. Idk why but he always looks sad.

edgy tinsel
weak bolt
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Rip the dream

silk frost
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Sorry guys I gtg I'm scrimming Shock with Paris

raw ermine
#

Yay soon is here

worn falcon
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yep

weak bolt
#

So they either take min salaries and renew, or hope to find a new team

worn falcon
next mesa
#

wizardhyeong

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local genius

silk frost
#

Nothing until april now

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No world cup

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No games

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Only contendies

next mesa
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where could soon go

tropic herald
#

I really hope there’s some more community tournaments

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Those are fun

opaque ginkgo
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Sameee

silk frost
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Soon to Spitfire?

raw ermine
#

Dang there they go

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Benbest tbh might be the best NA MT after super

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well

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western

digital cloud
#

Gator I think is pretty good

raw ermine
#

He underperformed

digital cloud
#

Atlanta had a bad year

raw ermine
#

but at his peak

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yeah

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I would agree

next mesa
#

sparkle needs to get a tracer

digital cloud
#

If they had better coaching I think gator would have done fine

vagrant jacinth
#

Soon to Spitfire?
@silk frost gonna lose nnn if that happens

silk frost
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Gator is bad imo

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He CAN be good but for now, bad player

weak bolt
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Gator was overhyped on his contenders performance. OWL just exposed that

raw ermine
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tbf a 2nd place gauntlet finish is pretty hard to overhype

weak bolt
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Him and Hawk came in and everybody was like "Amazing tank duo, they're top tier"

raw ermine
#

probably was to do with his teammates being different

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yeah

weak bolt
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Funny thing is he's probably still the 2nd best western MT

next mesa
#

yeah well

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western people suck at overwatch

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except like

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danteh and super

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heh

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oh wait it's kinda bad time considering last world cup winner was USA GWhighpolySansDab

silk frost
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I was coming in with the mindset of "if gator WAS amazing, then he would have STARTED over POKPO in 2019"

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Easily disproving the notion that gator and hawk would be that good

raw ermine
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3/7 of the OW players who won did retire tho

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tbh any western flex sup could have played over rawkus

solar bison
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Yeah

raw ermine
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dogman, maybe even sleepy

solar bison
#

Sleepy doesnt seem to want to return to OWL though

raw ermine
#

yeah

solar bison
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He has his fun streaming

raw ermine
#

he did try out for OWWC 2020 tho

solar bison
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I tune in to his streams

raw ermine
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he was in the final 2

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with rawkus

solar bison
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Yeah

tropic herald
next mesa
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oh shit I got dropped

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oh well

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time to team up with sparkle

solar bison
#

Interesting

next mesa
#

carpe to fuel would be really epic though

solar bison
#

Yeah

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Carpe and diem same team?

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Probably not, they play same heros, though carpe does do tracer

next mesa
#

yeah

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they are essentially the same person

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hehe

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I think carpe is better when he's on the window/ashe/cree doe

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like more impact

solar bison
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True

edgy tinsel
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3/7 of the OW players who won did retire tho
@raw ermine closer, nus, fissure?

raw ermine
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I meant of team USA from last year

edgy tinsel
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ohhh

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i thought u meant owl

raw ermine
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also fissure wasn't on spitfire when they won

edgy tinsel
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oh yeah oops

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who has won owl and retired actually

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sinatraa, closer, nus

raw ermine
#

closer retired?

edgy tinsel
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i think so?

raw ermine
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pinned on his twitter

edgy tinsel
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oh nvm

raw ermine
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I meant Corey, Rawkus, and Sinatraa retired from OW after winning OWWC 2019

edgy tinsel
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Hooreg was technically still on london when they won, was just inactive

raw ermine
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Nah he and the other got released

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like a month b4

edgy tinsel
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nope

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they were moved to inactive

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they weren't released

raw ermine
#

They were released june 28th

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18th*

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the 6th month

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they won july 28th

edgy tinsel
raw ermine
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then they left

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next item

weak bolt
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iirc they released them between end of S1 regular games, and the grind finals

potent meteor
#

I dont mean to be this guy "is overwatch dead" but is the
esports side of overwatch dying? It feels like there are more people leaving esports than joining.

digital cloud
#

OWL was not the ideal move

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there wasn't too much grassroots for the esports before

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not too much tier 2 support

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and it replaced APEX, which was objectively better

next mesa
#

several factors too

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going to youtube instead of twitch

solar bison
#

True

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Many didn’t like GOATs but i am not sure how big of a factor that was

next mesa
#

certainly didn't contribute

weak bolt
#

Always a huge turnover of people each year in OWL in fairness, even more so this year as people are at the end of 1+1 contracts etc.

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Contenders always has a large stream of upcoming talent too, even though it's horribly supported by Blizzard

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OWL really could do with doing something to engage the casual fan base a bit more though honestly.

clear crane
#

wow... respect

raw ermine
#

wait did WJ ever play roar during playoffs?

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dang

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I look away, look back and 2 new contenders/trials EU teams have been made

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dammmmn one has ellivote, lullsish, and onigod

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gg

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AND Jofi+afoxx?

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jesus

tropic herald
#

Can we talk about how if British Hurricane isn’t picked up

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That will be very sad

raw ermine
#

I think halo confirmed its going to happen

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all to london

tropic herald
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https://twitter.com/hadi_ow/status/1323339411979792384?s=21

Hadi (@hadi_ow)

This roster never lost, from the first day and still undefeated.

@hadi_ow
@Molf1g
@SparkR_OW
@Danneddow
@KellexOW / @Jofi_ow
@Ripa_ow

@fischerable / @UnterOW
@ElbionTosscoble
@CommanderX
@Noukky

Everyone is top OWL level and deserves a good team for the 2021 seaso...

Likes

720

Twitter ·
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Like man

raw ermine
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they have new competition

tropic herald
#

Damn

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That’s an insane team

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You have a third of OG doge too

silk frost
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the el classico tank like, the beast Onigod, and a mean support line

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only one I don't recognize is seicoe

raw ermine
#

played on SMCEU a few months ago

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then took a 5 month break

weak bolt
#

tbf if you see how much money BH have made this year from Contenders, I dont blame a bunch of players making a contenders style super team

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especially if BH are about to disappear

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Danteh smurfing comp

raw ermine
#

100 sr above the next

earnest leaf
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How good is eu t2

weak bolt
#

Seemed decent, British Hurricane were dominant

raw ermine
#

London could make a potent team, poaching all of BH and the other top EU players

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all of the other teams are mostly ignoring EU it seems. That we know of, at least

weak bolt
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Yeah if they pick up all BH and add a few experiences EU players, they could easily make a good mid-table team. It won't be championship winning though

raw ermine
#

I still want asking OWL

hot heart
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Damn

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Xzi staying in paris or not

weak bolt
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By looks of it, not a chance

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He'll be traded, but wants a mixed roster

hot heart
#

Hm

#

What mixed rosters are there

weak bolt
#

Houston, Gladiators, Toronto (?), Philly

hot heart
#

I guess glads are gearing up

#

So maybe them

weak bolt
#

Glads already have Kevster and Birdring so idk about them

hot heart
#

Yeah

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Hmm

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Houstan ig

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Danteh xzi

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Holy

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That sounds insanely good

weak bolt
#

Houston could be likely if they are picking up Piggy, and some other good players

hot heart
#

How will they fill the void of MT though

#

Thats always the question for these teams that drop everyone

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At least for me

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There are alot of insane dps and supports in OWL and contenders

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Not many Spectacular MTs though

weak bolt
#

Kaiser still available right?

silk frost
#

if BH do get signed EU will be worse than China

weak bolt
#

and Mano

hot heart
#

Yeah

#

But mano is rumoured to glads so he's off the table for teams maybe

#

But that isnt confirmed at all

#

So he still might be in talks

weak bolt
#

Muze isn't confirmed to anywhere either right?

hot heart
#

Paris

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Rumoured

silk frost
#

oh?

weak bolt
#

Paris are paying minimum salary, no way they sign Muze

karmic grotto
#

Rumoured by whom?

weak bolt
#

Or do you mean Dallas

hot heart
#

Or was it someone else

#

Dallas

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Yeah

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WAIT no

silk frost
#

it's more likely paris sign 800 than Muze tbh

hot heart
#

Mayhem

silk frost
#

WAIT NO

hot heart
#

They were rumoured to sign MuZe and sanguinar

silk frost
#

MADRID

weak bolt
#

OGE is still on the market too

hot heart
#

He is

silk frost
#

oge to contender's

hot heart
#

OGE would probably fuck in contenders

silk frost
#

so then either NA, Korea, or China

weak bolt
#

Doesn't OGE stream? He'd probably make more doing that than contenders

hot heart
#

I think he does

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But i havent watched him

silk frost
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if he goes to like Flag Gaming or BiliBili in China, then there'd be competition for CC

hot heart
#

So im not sure

weak bolt
#

If Houston were to pick up OGE, Piggy, Xzi, Mandu, Danteh + 1 other, they could do pretty well still

hot heart
#

Yeah

silk frost
#

I have my doubts

hot heart
#

But you need an insane FS i think

silk frost
#

maybe Viol2t

hot heart
#

He's FA?

silk frost
#

I heard rumors he was moving on

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idk where tho

hot heart
#

Literally where

#

SHD maybe

silk frost
#

viol2t on that houston roster would be nasty

hot heart
#

It would

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Can houstan afford it though

silk frost
#

whatt have they spent money on in the last 3 years?

hot heart
#

MekO and danteh

silk frost
#

plus they just got Junkbuck, which is a good sign

weak bolt
#

Houston had no proper org behind them for a good chunk of time I think? Then they finally got bought

hot heart
#

But im not sure that would make a dent at all

weak bolt
#

Might have some finances now

hot heart
#

Yeah

#

Hmmm

silk frost
#

maybe Super goes to Houston for Boink

weak bolt
#

Honestly they could go for Xzi and FDGod from Paris

hot heart
#

What direction does coolmatt wanna take them

raw ermine
#

sounds great

#

trade super for boink

hot heart
#

Yeah

raw ermine
#

sfs need ms

#

outlaws need mt

weak bolt
#

Boink to Shock to be assistant Coach

hot heart
#

They'd probably get the whole squad in the trade boink is worth so much

weak bolt
#

Then Boink to become headcoach of S5 champs

hot heart
#

S10 champs

earnest leaf
#

if the moth rumour is true

#

what if slime to shock

hot heart
#

Slime to shock

silk frost
#

only players left on Houston are Danteh, Hydration, Meko, and BOINK

#

slime to shock maybe?

hot heart
#

And then OG runaway support line

weak bolt
#

Slime or Mandu to shock seem like quite likely

silk frost
#

then they COULD give up Super for Bumper

hot heart
#

Slime does have the experience

#

And he's insane

#

So you cant go wrong with him

silk frost
#

Slime was basically Bumper's son

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he only played well with his dad

hot heart
#

Bumper jr.

silk frost
#

there were memes going around everywhere

hot heart
#

Im concerned he might be a little like LJG tbh

silk frost
#

if they sign Slime, they make a power move for Bumper to replace Super and go full korean

hot heart
#

Bumper back in

#

And he just dominates OWL

#

Also

silk frost
#

it kinda makes the most sense now that I think about it

hot heart
#

TiZi is apparently back

silk frost
#

OH MY GOD TIZI FOR OUTLAWS

hot heart
#

Bro

silk frost
#

TiZi Piggy tankline

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with Xzi, Hydration, and Danteh

hot heart
#

Lemme check his twitter

#

He tweeted something recently

silk frost
#

and then Mandu Viol2t supports

hot heart
#

After not tweeting for a while

raw ermine
#

no he isn't

silk frost
#

aw man

raw ermine
#

tizi is on military service

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2 years

silk frost
#

damn

raw ermine
#

he's been gone for 6 months

hot heart
#

It was just asking for keyboard reccomendations

#

Fuck

#

I really wanna see him back

silk frost
#

sadge

weak bolt
#

I'm most curious to see what changes Philly make in off season

hot heart
#

I think we can all agree he was a great MT

#

TiZi And Bumper we're like Super and Smurf

weak bolt
#

I dunno how to judge Tizi, all we really saw from him was Orisa in S2 Playoffs

hot heart
#

We saw some winston

#

Dont remember if it was bad or not

silk frost
#

TiZi was a very good player

hot heart
#

But i dont think it was

silk frost
#

his monkey was good

plush grail
#

miro redemption arc when

silk frost
#

Miro to outlaws?

weak bolt
#

I'm amazed we haven't seen a ton of "sign Kaiser" style posts yet. Wasn't he very popular

tropic herald
#

I think Dogman is going to Outlaws tbh

hot heart
#

Bro

silk frost
#

no way dogman goes to outlaws

hot heart
#

If dogman goes to outlaws

#

Their support line is done for

tropic herald
#

Any doggers

silk frost
#

no chance

weak bolt
#

Dogman is going to Twitch/Youtube to be a streamer, that's it

silk frost
#

probably back to contendies

hot heart
#

Maybe signed to outlaws as a streamer?

silk frost
#

not a chance

#

dogman is like

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Houston's greatest villain

weak bolt
#

If he goes anywhere, its probably like Toronto

plush grail
#

i just wanna know what the titans are planning tbh

#

will the titans build up again

hot heart
#

They arent planning anything good probably

#

They resigned shredlock

#

So

plush grail
#

or just replace the current budget roster with another budget roster and hope they end bottom 5 instead of bottom 2 in s4

hot heart
#

Probably gonna be bottom tier again

weak bolt
#

Titans, LAV, Paris, London, Boston. We're in for a lot of toilet bowl this year

silk frost
#

Vancouver are probably waiting for NA contenders to finish

hot heart
#

or just replace the current budget roster with another budget roster and hope they end bottom 5 instead of bottom 2 in s4
Yep

silk frost
#

see who wins between AT, Oddysey, Revival, or maybe Drifter's

plush grail
#

it's always sad to see old greats ruin their reputation

tropic herald
#

Titans, LAV, Paris, London, Boston. We're in for a lot of toilet bowl this year
But London are getting BH how can they be bad

hot heart
#

They fucked themselves over

plush grail
#

london used to be the best, now they're the laughing stock of apac

hot heart
#

They lost money

plush grail
#

titans used to be legit contenders, now they're ez wins

weak bolt
#

BH are good, but compared to OWL? I think they'll still only be average

hot heart
#

They're not even trying to recoup that money

weak bolt
#

Especially as one of their top DPS isn't eligibile till July

silk frost
#

London are going to be a litttle better, and I think Valiant and Boston should be fine (especially a Boston with ACTUAL coaching and a desire to win and not, yknow make money)

tropic herald
#

I was more commenting on how you said they were toilet bowl tier

silk frost
#

meanwhile Paris, Toronto, and Houston look like the most likely candidates to me to be #20

hot heart
#

It seems like They just play because they paid 20 mil

weak bolt
#

Toilet bowl tier is still gonna exist, in comparison to the rosters we'll see from Dallas, Shock, Philly, Gladiators, Mayhem, NYXL etc.

plush grail
#

real talk tho, has it ever worked out when a full team got signed into owl, except for runaway ofcourse

silk frost
#

NYXL may be in the dumps this year

hot heart
#

Dallas just yoinking em

plush grail
#

i don't see nyxl dropping below mid tier as long as they don't drop anyone else

weak bolt
#

Atlanta could also be awful this year too

silk frost
#

Hangzhou was basically exclusively X6 werent they?

hot heart
#

Yep

#

Architect was on X6 too at some point

#

I think

plush grail
#

yeh choi too

weak bolt
#

I hope Chengdu/GZC/Spark make some big moves this off season, or APAC could be very dull

silk frost
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yeah it was Ria, BeBe, NoSmite, GodsB, all to Hangzhou

#

Chengdu are probably gonna be ass tbh

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I think RUI was worse than the co-head coaches of last year, they really started improving my the end

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3-2 L vs NYXL is nothing to scoff at

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considering where they were last year

plush grail
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i really dont care about chengdu tbh, as long as they keep ameng on ball i'll have fun watching them

weak bolt
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Chengdu just need to stay as a weird unpredictable team

plush grail
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like

weak bolt
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idc if they're good, just give me upset potential

silk frost
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it's predictable how unpredictable they are now

plush grail
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chengdu loses, but in funw ays

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boston just plays the meta and gets stomped

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that's not fun

hot heart
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Every time i said Chengdu is gonna lose a match

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They always win

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No matter the circumstances

weak bolt
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This off season is going to get crazy. Just wish it was like 2 weeks long rather than 4 months

silk frost
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it's always like that with them lmao

hot heart
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They just do

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And it makes no sense

plush grail
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Every time i said Chengdu is gonna lose a match
@hot heart pog it's like nyxl but in reverse