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Mano and dallas wont work
Mano is passive, and the players on dallas like aggression
The tempo will be off
Unless rush and the coaches really think they can change Mano
Though shu to glads is an upgrade
Any supp to glads is an upgrade tbf
If toronto can afford him
Toronto afforded KDG
Logix honestly slightly doodoo
LAG picking up Shu would be a big surprise
Can only think GZC must not be able to afford to compete with LAG
Florida must be close to announcing something
Mano to florida lul
dudw
dude
thanos gif?
really?
must have some huge fucking signings
they used the thanos gif man
Super used thanos as thumbail for his match against Washington 
Mano to Florida might be a possibility, but is he that much of an upgrade over Fate?
yes
Florida were in negotiations with Mag, so they must want a new MT at least
If Shu -> Glads is true, GZC have 0 support players
shu's contract was expiring already, so GZC has had no support players
yeah just assumed they'd be keeping him but mustn't be able to match a LAG offer
Probably
Or they're picking up a bigger signing I suppose, but that'd have to be like Viol2t or Jjonak or something
Probably not
any really nice flex support players in contenders
i dont know any
Meant to be quite a few in Korean Contenders for FS role
Revenge
But a couple days ago, everyone was talking about unique
I mean, you could have caught him on a good day
GZC should pick up Ch0r0ng as their MS just to fuck with the casters
The NA contenders I watched yesterday seemed so tragic in comparison to EU and Korea
What was different?
looks bad
Just looked slow, unco-ordinated and chaotic
The play
The meta was fucking weird too. It was like Ball/Zarya/Tracer/Echo/2 Random supports
NA strats looking weird
yeah it was like ball zarya and ball dva
Anyone remember that game in season 1 were super played zen against Dallas?
he played 3rd and 4th stage I think
either that or just 4th
he came of age like midway
yeah I mean have you seen his widow
could prob start over ans
but just doesn't because he's too humble
viol2t washed
super is just too humble
he likes to make it fair
that's why he's usually benched
Fissure to (...)
is he LFT?
I think so
its been quiet for 2 days
also
fissure was looking for a redemption arc in titans and he didnt get it
sad
he should've
Yeah
He wanted to stay on the titans
Unlike previous teams where he wanted to leave them
Some team should give him a chance if he wants to take it
Plus, main tanks are of great demand in OWL
have yall seen what haloofthoughts has said about NYXL and mano?
does anybody know who this new LA gladiators GM is. They are calling her Brenda in the tweet, tag Bsuh, and liquipedia says she used to be director of operations, but she doesnt have a liquipedia page
i have no idea
i think she worked with charge
She did. But there's no liquidpedia page for her from the charge page
Is she good?
🤷♂️
We truly are the wisest of people aren't we
ive never even heard of her
Same
Look at this shit bro holy FUCK
The shock released rascal because super is like rascal, but more flexible and better at everything
True
#sparkbang
XD
Lmao Ans is so cute asking moth if saying not a tiger just cat is too toxic
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quick question, how often is overwatch league?
currently the offseason
It usually resumes in February
But rumor has it that it will be pushed back to accommodate ow2
bro if NYXL pick up Yakpung they're definitely going budget
Is contenders still happening?
You guys acting like Yakpung isn’t top 3 MT out of Korean contenders
Wait. Someone cares about contenders? Impossible

he won s1 2020 with o2
You guys acting like Yakpung isn’t top 3 MT out of Korean contenders
@tropic herald Who else besides mag could be argued better?
Muze?
I’d say MuZe Mag and Yakpung are the top 3 MTs
Also get the notion out of you head that Yakpung is the same as we saw him on Toronto
do you guys think hooreg could get signed
i didn't pay attention to toronto after stage 1 s2
as a coach
and he was actually decent then
I’ve just seen a lot of people think Yakpung has stagnated in tendies
And it’s annoying Bc he’s been slapping on O2
So I think this is a good move for NY
i thought o2 blast wasnt that great
O2 won season 1
But then got dominated by RunAway who nearly won season 2
So O2 is certainly not bad
i want boston to do something
Hmm
So I can’t comment on if he got better or worse
Cr0ng maybe
Cr0ng didnt get re-signed by Charge?
mano nooooooo
which team has the most people from the original roster announcement
Also Guangzhou supposedly traded Shu off to Glads so it wouldn’t be out of the blue either
Mano 
which team has the most people from the original roster announcement
@tidal ridge for sure not the titans
Who got MCD
They'll do great next year
I forgot
Who got MCD
@tropic herald
Idk
I think someone mentioned dallas picking him Up
But idk
they signed him?
Spark are rumoured to have MCD yeah
me waiting for jjanu and stitch tweets
so dallas is just getting element mystic together again
uprising halo?
Halo of Thoughts
but dallas also bought a different top tier team in s1
that didn't end well
it'll be fun to see dallas mess up a goated roster
Dunno if S1 Dallas would be considered top tier
team envy were considered some of the best
JJANU AND STITCH PLEASE
well they bought a top tier
envy
just like dynasty got lunatic hai
def was top tier
but then FUCKIGN CRASHED
Yeah
Dallas also chucked a hand grenade into their roster in the form of xqc
Definitely didn’t finish second in the league
Yep
Didnt xqc get banned, unbanned, and banned again
yeah
Rip
although honestly when he was actually playing, he was good
7 matches of Stage 1, and then 4 more matches towards the end
Yeah
They also had the Rascal drama in S1, then the Seagull dva, Taimou winston stuff
Drama between him and Fuel I believe. It's why Fuel have a reputation for ruining Korean dps, after Rascal, Effect and Decay
Rascal then dropped to Contenders with NRG, joined shock and rest is history
Speaking of which, have fuel got a hitscan yet?
Nope
Ok
They said more announcements tomorrow I believe
Everyone wants glister or diem to be signed if I remember correctly
I wanna see diem to justice
Decay Diem double hitscan
Mm
Since decay would be their best widow and tracer
But if you let decay fuck on tracer while diem pounds on widow
then you got something interesting
I guess decay can do flex dps and diem hitscan
Justice likely just keep Decay and Stitch and add a flex
But what about ttuba and stitch?
Probably
Whats justice coaching staff looking like?
Have there been any changes?
Supreme still head coach
Ok
They’ve resigned ttuba pretty sure
He only took over late last year so likely given time
If Justice have the budget, you keep Ttuba and pick up a high potential flex dps from contenders
That can work
Yeah
waht if fielder is so used to high ping hes bad
I said that a while back
I'm curious where Mano is going
Lots of teams need main tank
Somebody is paying the big bucks for him
all i want justice to do is to re-sign jjanu and stitch
I remember levy jehong saying that if dallas lost a map cuz of fielder he’d laugh
Justice will keep Jjanu and Stitch, it's just going to be a discussion on salary
"We see a sub from the Fuel here, Rapel in for Fielder"
Fielder can play on korean servers before he goes to team home and he does have time to adjust to 2 ping
A player isn't going to get worse having less ping
Especially with like 4+ months of off season
I think diem is more consistent
they aer both superstar top tier level
Where is diem going?
Maybe
Hmm
Nobody knows
We dont know
People want him to go Dallas
Oh I thought you guys were talking about him because of rumors
Yeah
Where would mano fit in
Not dallas
I would love diem to go to Dallas
Houston for Mano 😄
mano will def get picked up dont worry
Maybe Houston
For mano
mano prob number 3 or 4 main tank
Nah
Bro
If that happens
@next mesa what are the ranks
I was going to say either glads or toronto
what teams could he currently go to
Idek
idk just my opinion but
Outlaws maybe
1 obviously mirror
Mano was top 3 in 2019, but 2020 he wasn't that high
I think im 2020 he showed some crazy moments
I remember his ball during ball zarya meta
- smurf with crusty
- smurf
- smurf without coaching
- bronze smurf
It was fucking nasty
Yeah
So
Smurf/Fearless interchangeable then mano/sado probably
Glads would be interesting, and we know they are spending money
After getting rolled by chengdu
super in there
I still tnink mano is a top mt
imagine a doomfist meta after philly drops chipsy
At worst Top 5
Mano, Space, Birdring, Kevster, Shu + 1 MS
Lol
Or top 6
Yeah
Yeah
their team is always stacked on paper
Yeah
dude like adding haksal to an alreadystacked team
Historically NYXL does good
This is it
NYXL is probably the most consistent team
No
of OWL
NYXL are always good, but never really exceptional
But then they never really moved onto that next level
They were never at Shock/SHD/Phi level
But they were close
Thought you meant s3
NYXL have been top of the mid table for 2019/2020, but out of the running for top tier
#1 season 1
#3 season 2
#7 season 3
Imagine nyxl in the finals
Big time
Seoul are the opposite of NYXL in that sense
Yeah
nah historically nyxl is really fricking good
Their regular season was middling
top teams in 1st and 2nd
And playoffs were insane
Flop in regular season and gods in playoffs
seoul didnt deserve grand finals
I still have hope for NYXL
Nah
washington didnt deserve 3rd place in the NA playoffs
But not as bad
they didnt even deserve to against the san frnacisco shock
No
I think seoul genuinely had more flexibility
They deserve grand finals
They just were able to have a loop hole in the rules
And were really good during the playoffs
Yes the meta was very different from what we've previously seen
It specified that if they didn’t have enough eligible players to travel they could sign someone, so they did.
We talking about seoul
who was not elgible to travel?
But seoul put in the effort
eligible
And they did well
rOar?
Lulshish
I think it was lullish?
How did they not deserve playoffs
what
how did seoul not deserve grand finals
The sweadish guy
they beat charge nyxl dragons philly
You could say meta was weird
I think mop was referring to washington
When he said they didn’t deserve to go against the shock
But not seoul did badly / didnt deserve top 4
technically seoul shouldve been able
Dragons unlucky
Seoul were 11th overall in season. They would have had to go through Play-ins originally
but they were so shit in the regular season and they just started trying during the playoffs
They lose to seoul the 1 time it matters
soit doesnt seem like they give a shit
Well
@weak bolt not this season either way though because of regions
Did you hear what bren said about gesture
And how he shows up for playoffs because of the bag
yeah this season gave Seoul, and Justice, and oppurtunity to shine in playoffs
they dont care about OWL
It was 1-2 months ago
I thought it was funny
gesture best hog
its funny but it shows how little they give a shit about their team
maybe super
Gesture shows up to big games because it's the type of player he is, same as Profit. They thrive on the pressure by looks of it
I know
Happens in all sports, some players just always perform a step up in big games
It was just brens theory
Bren also blames Gestures normal matches on a girl in a flowershop, so I'd not listen to his views
I just got 300 OWL tokens from Dallas for answering "Houston Outlaws" when they asked for a Halloween joke lol
Yeah, they've been handing out codes on twitter, figured I'd take a chance and it paid off
Nice
I feel like boston houston and houston dallas rivalries are all acceptable
Dallas Houston cuz of texas
i love rivalries between teams that suck
Boston Houston cuz of bottom feeding
I rewatched the boston Houston game the other day
Ez coins
OWL has some good rivalries, but then people also get hugely tilted when players trash talk. Can't win
True
when babybay just finishes fucking, nobody batts an eye. but when lastro says sex big dick, society goes wild
he sure did in cs:go
faze's valorant team is literally just former OWL
They really should tolerate more trash talking
got mercy contenders skins 😄
Imagine if Mano goes to dallas
that is likely i feel
anyone else not getting the contenders skins, despite watching more than enough contenders?
i got syms
ive left contenders on in the background for wayy more than 15 hrs and havent got syms or mercy's skins :((
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yeah don't be disappointed if you didn't get sym skin
lots of lost time because were 2/3 into the season
only crowned KR and Australia Contenders champions during their playoffs
LFT OWL Offtank
Former LA Valiant and Paris Eternal
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hmpf
How has finsi been doing lately
Since he won NA Contenders S1 im assuming he's gotten better
matrix what exactly
tell me what's confusing
it doesn't take long to answer any questions
So apparently nano influences deadeye lock speed?
@slow tundra you can also speed boost in for the flank deadeye
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@slow tundra yeah
lol
finsi is a petty decent tank from what I recall
@digital cloud maybe finnsi goes back to paris?
Redemption arc?
If they're going EU it could work
Ye
And soon and nico
Not many EU OT's out there to my knowledge
True
Best roster i could envision for paris is probably Benbest Poko Kevster Eqo
What EU MS and FS are FA rn
I dont understand why paris dont go mixed
Some contenders players
Only way to be a top team in OWL is to at least have a mixed roster
Going full western is just gonna end with a mess of a team
Some contenders players
@solar bison like who
I have 0 knowledge about NA contenders
Well
Not 0
But not much
I dont know
I dont watch contenders either
I am just assuming there are decent players in EU contenders
hot take
dreamer
should be dropped from valiant
also forgot Toronto dropped agilities
we love dropping top tier na dps 
Pain
Pain
Still won more playoff series than Houston
How much has washington even made
Plenty considering a 3rd place in NA
3rd placs earnings are 250k arent they?
Thats crazy
Imagine paying 20 Mil buy in
And earning 5k
The 5k they earned was summer showdown, they won round 1
The shock have made 3.3 million dollars and were sponsored by Marvel studios and Star wars
Million
Lmao
Almost flipped lol
3.3 billion is what supers bank account is lookin like
Yes?
Yeah
Really isn't much in the grand scheme of things
That reminds me
How much have philly and Shanghai earned
960K for shanghai
1 mil for philly
Shock really just said yoink
i think players contracts get a percentage of earnings from tournaments
ye
almost every team has had one big win that got them 20k or more except like chengdu and one or two others
I think even defiant has a summer showdown finish 3rd place
crazy
Dallas got money from the inaugaral season
It's not much money
lol. 50k. So... 25k goes to the players.. split 8-12 ways...
Congrats, here's a $2k bonus.
I dunno man, what's the catch? 😄
Oh those winnings are taxed too
So not even 2k
Funnily enough, someone on shock would be taxed more heavily than someone on philly for example for their prize winnings, more likely atleast
depending on income tax brackets, yeah.
oh no, I just realised I'm sure there's more than one player in OWL that would be stupid enough to believe that earnings would tip them "in to anotehr tax bracket" and "cause them to earn less" as though their entire income is taxed at that higher rate.
mmm idk maybe
in comms check the teams always seem so friendly and chill
like I think of colorhex as a nervous shit dps but then on comms he sounds normal and in my head I am like oh yeah they are all chill lol
just seems to friendly to fuck up
but then again
Boston 👀
Colourhex should be a hitscan player
flex dps
any spicy news
Damn the league finals chat just hating sn for being Chinese omega lol
meh
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to be fair
we dont have owl, owc, or any other events going on rn
there shouldn't really be an issue
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sp9 : i would like xzi again
rjh : just say what your heart wants
sp9 : i um c-c-carpe? ok please edit this i wanna be with xzi forever
rjh : so you wanna be with carpe?
sp9 : wha what are you talking about i never said that
rjh : oh no im just asking, would you like to do it with carpe?
sp9 : i- no no i decided. i only want xzi ```
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this hurts LOL
ahaha "I'll make it so that we can final win something"
Seems about right
nah
with sparkle doha hanbin fielder
doubt
honestly this team is
far more stacked
than any other dallas team
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what are these titles dude
Hurricane, please obey
I dont understand
Is that a reference to something i dont know?
Hurricane =british hurricanes
Obey=Obey Alliance
wrong channel
Hurricane look pretty clean. Be interesting if London just picks them all up
I think london fans would love that
And they probably will seen as they promoted hurricanes GM To Londons GM
If they dont promote them, I suspect other teams would poach some of them anyway
I think they'd need to add a few more to the roster for sure though. Ripa/Kellex as your support line won't be good enough for OWL just like that
Kruise, and an experienced EU DPS/Tank would likely be enough
to be mediocre? 
Just put the whole 6 man british hurricane + chipsa
Numlocked +BH+kruise+Asking
Yeah
I find it crazy how a lot of the highest ladder players like Finnsi aren't actually like in league, I get league is a higher tier than ladder but like this dude peaked at 4738 that is high as fuck like give da man a team or a tryout pls
still haven't gotten either contenders skin
they added that 🟢 to indicate drops are working, yet it's false
@valid oxide both
thank you blizzard
Same like deadass
I don't want to clear my cookies either because im signed in to like 60 accounts that I don't want to resign into
And the green dot is on and I've watched 2 or 3 of this 9 hour streams and haven't got shit
So idk man
Do you have it on a background window etc or not primary focus? Saw bunch of people saying that caused issues for them
no
I full screened it for like 9 hours because I was going to sleep anyway
main monitor all that
I don't care that much it is just a skin but I have ocd about collecting any limited skin before it is gone lmaoo
Just feels like whatever tracking method they use is being blocked a lot by either browsers or plugins etc.
The contenders skins, for watching contenders
Any news about Dreamhaven?
Numlocked +BH+kruise+Asking
@raw ermine +Shockwave
👍
Cockwave
I think it is very possible that Shockwave gets signed to London
do you guys think ksaa has a chance
He was the best for a bit
KSAA to London would be kinda cool
when shock wasn't there
Oh mb
why did titans re-sign shredlock
dalton was decent and roolf is the comms leader
but shredlock???
Canada probably
how do I not have mercys skin yet
?
tons of them now cause of their roster moves
Mouffin was getting married to an underage girl in an arrange marriage right?
rly
Mouffin was getting married to an underage girl in an arrange marriage right?
@raw ermine what
ah yes voldemort is back
@raw ermine tldr for me? lmao
I think he said something like
Redshell: is it okay to be a pedo? Asking for a friend doe
The redshell one wasnt unexpected
Yeah
I think he was outed a few months before hand
Redshell is a comedian
redshell kinda weirdchamp especially him deleting messages from group dm
Yeah
and then threatening lawsuit man is digging his own grave
Bro
Idk man
I just hate that shit like this happens
But it does
Anyway
I feel like xzi might go to spark
If i had to pick a team other than NYXL
It would be the spark
American
however he said on stream it wasnt NY
Boston
houston maybe
Xzi Boston
Not NYXL
If he goes to houstan that would be huge
Atlanta
shock is off the table for him, xzi also said no to dallas
houston
Hmm
Dogman is probably ending up in Houston
Houstan Atlanta
glads too is open
to specify, Yankee is north
Houstan probably pays more
So Xzi Boston
I don't get why he just didn't go to dallas tbh
North US teams:
-Washington debatably
-Boston
-New York
-Philly
Why wouldnt they want him
Philly is the most likely imo
who's better than xzi
Diem Dallas
Yeah

i think dallas is looking at contenders or looking for cash trade
Who says that
Philly
I think philly has the money and his heropool works well in double hitscan meta
Like a double sniper meta
Or tracer widow
they might replace Carpe
Can all the teams that have supposed signings please just announce them
I would like that very much
If they replace carpe
it depends on the days
Also who got Mano
That wohld be crazy i think
Did anyone ever figure that out
nah
I think if mano changed up his playstyle a bit
He'd have more options
But he's still insanely talented
dont know
he could replace a lot of mts
But that's a big if
mmhmm
I think one of the main reasons why he can't be aggressive in nyxl is because
jjonak and haksal
they take all the resources
All eyes ok dallas rn tbh
I mean didn't fissure explain it
anamo is the mom with the milk bottle
trying to decide which child to feed haksal or jjonak
and mano is the starving kid on the ground
or something
I think one of the main reasons why he can't be aggressive in nyxl is because
@next mesa yeah that could be part of the reason
and mano is the starving kid on the ground
Pain
Imagine if dallas just pickup Unique and Mano
That would be insane
I think yeah
Like from what ive heard
He's insanely talented
Id imagine Washington are trying to sign him too
I remember hearing a rumor that Mano goes to a team with Shu
don't remember which team tho
Halo "confirmed" shu was going to glads
OGE is FA
So
Mano could go to glads
And that rumour that you heard could make sense
mano + shu to glads
Houston Fans 
philly actually had hope cool guy
we were never even able to be disappointed
we had nothing to expect in the first place
being at the cusp of being champions and not making it is worse than never being close to greatness in the 1st place
Yeah
Hmm
I feel like if philly can make an addition at dps
They'll be perfect
someone more flexible
I mean sure carpe and heesu are trash
What
i think their perfectly fine
Yeah
they just read the meta wrong hard
But they arent flexible
like they got the comp right, but played it wrong
how is carpe and heesu bad
Thry aren't
if anything, sado is the weakest but even he is still good
You said houston never had hope but they had two top tier na dps
Not really great team but Linkzr and Danteh are both insane
Sadge regardless
Carpe and Heesu aren't bad, Carpe just lacks any diversity in hero pool, I can't think of anything he's particularly good at other than widow
And Heesu is relatively top tier in tracer afaik
His widow is his specialty
Carpe is a solid hitscan, can play cree/ashe/widow/tracer
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So is he inno or not?
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Um
Imagine if out of the blue
Washington sign him
Power move
Mag Jjanu Rascal decay
That would be beyond insane
Hmmm
But they have ttuba
I don't ttuba isn't bad. In my view, he meshes better with Justice than Rascal would
On a side note, I haven't received mercy or Symmetra skin
This is bs
Wait
Did you just say carpe lacks a hero pool?
He legitimately plays every sniper
He plays widow cree tracer hanzo
Ashe
The best sniper on his team and for 70%+ of this season he was needed
whoever said carpe lacks hero pool has not watched a single match of his XD
carpe has touched every hero at a top level
Bro
