esports-discussion

[raw ermine]

and in NA

[weak bolt]

Guess it depends how committed you are. Contenders is probably best way back to OWL if you really want back

[worn falcon]

sometimes can work

unless you're Fl0w3r

[next mesa]

fl0w3r might... stil work

[raw ermine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0-HVP09NeI

Contenders china is live for those who wish to get skins

[cobalt spoke]

I'm so sad

Rascal leaving shock is so sad

He was gonna be the first one on the chopping block

Even tho he is the best proj only dps in the league

Proj dps life

[true hound]

wrong that was shadowburn 😤😤😤😤

[cobalt spoke]

Who?

[tidal ridge]

was rascal even useful this season

[cobalt spoke]

No

He only played like 50% of maps

Because he doesnt play hitscan and shock has 2 of the best hitscan players in the league

Therefore why would you play projectile? It gets less value for the same amount of effort

[tidal ridge]

Makes sense then

They don't need him

[balmy wolf]

lol

they woulndt win 2 tournaments without him

i suspect hes retiring

[tidal ridge]

ta1yo basically repalces him

[balmy wolf]

ta1yo is not a projectile like rascal

whats with being people saying that

tay1o is a hitscan with some projectile

[tidal ridge]

didnt ans or striker play mei as well

forgot which one

[balmy wolf]

for one map

rascal on most projectile heroes was top 3 on them

mei, pharah, echo, genji, he played them all an at elite level

[tidal ridge]

meh

[balmy wolf]

just a matter if who shock thinks is a good replacement

[tidal ridge]

pharah and echo were not useful this season

and we have super and ta1yo for genji

his mei will probably be missed though

[balmy wolf]

im just saying having a strong projectile player is necessary

having 3 hitscans isnt gonna cut it

[tidal ridge]

most projectiles werent useful this season

[balmy wolf]

thats doesnt mean they wont be useful next season

[cobalt spoke]

No

[tidal ridge]

they can sign someone cheaper as well

[cobalt spoke]

Widow op

[balmy wolf]

considering OWL is most likely delayed until ow2

[tidal ridge]

rascal is probably expensive as hell

[cobalt spoke]

Thats all

[tidal ridge]

ow2

lol imagine'

[balmy wolf]

it pretty be stupid to not sync owl for it

[sullen berry]

Rascal leaving shock is so sad

[fringe laurel]

Noo rascal

[sullen berry]

inevitable

but still sad

[tidal ridge]

i dont even understand why ow2 is even being made

[sullen berry]

to bring it out of obscurity in 2021

plus

[tidal ridge]

just make ur game...good

[sullen berry]

if you've invested time and money into an old game

[tidal ridge]

new maps, new heroes, hero reworks

[sullen berry]

look at CS: Source

before CS:Go took off

and before that

Condition Zero

[balmy wolf]

ow2 is mainly pve

oh and the new engine were all getting

[sullen berry]

^

[digital cloud]

and some maps and heros

and push

[tidal ridge]

its kind of dumb to make a very established esports league and at the peak of it (season 2 not this season) to announce a new fucking game

that will make the game the esports league is established in obsolete

[digital cloud]

it is the same game

[balmy wolf]

expect its one and the same

[digital cloud]

it is like an expansion

[sullen berry]

and

you're clearly missing the point of competition in esports

games change, some do it differently

call of duty has been releasing new game content every year

[tidal ridge]

i know

[sullen berry]

but literally all of it is single player, so I don't get your point

[tidal ridge]

but i hope they give teams some time to adjust

imagine they release ow2 and theres a game the next dayy lmfao

we'd be watching a bronze game

btw

hypothetically

probably wont happen

blizzard isnt dumb

[balmy wolf]

it aint coming until maybe april of next year

[tidal ridge]

thats the middle of the season

[balmy wolf]

and theres gonna be a beta most likely as well

thats if the season is starting normally

which is probs isnt for reasons i stated earlier

[tidal ridge]

thats a long ass off-season

[sullen berry]

the teams are in talks regular talks with Bllizzard to make decisions like changing map formats, patches during the regular season.
Less so this year since they had to focus with online infrastructure and getting the players hardware to you know, play the game

[tidal ridge]

i dont know a lot about ow2 either and how different it is

[balmy wolf]

tho i imagine owl players get to test ow2 before anyone gets it

[sullen berry]

good thing we have a bot

[tidal ridge]

pretty sure most heroes are the exact same though

[sullen berry]

but nothing is really going to be concrete until we hear about it before Feb

!!ow2

[young fractal]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/overwatch-developer-post-archives-overwatch-2-quick-fact-list/425653/2

https://i.imgur.com/kajHVdT.png

[tidal ridge]

and we get like maybe 3 new heroes

push?

payload?

[sullen berry]

you never heard of push?

[tidal ridge]

nope

[balmy wolf]

we getting like 8 maps or something

[sullen berry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzcrcBM_Yfg

[tidal ridge]

its just payload

[sullen berry]

imagine hearing about xqc and never watching a single video on YT kek

it might play out like payload

[tidal ridge]

its just paload except the enemy team can push it back faster

[sullen berry]

looking forward to more symmetrical maps - need more longer maps

[tidal ridge]

cant wait to see the cloud9 org play push

[cobalt spoke]

Arent most symmetrical maps smaller than normal ones?

[sullen berry]

if you put a map like toronoto and scale it in the current engine , it would probably experience performance issues

since they want to release gothenburg, monte carlo and Rio down the line

[tidal ridge]

imagine an escort map thats a straight line

[sullen berry]

sniper hallway

[tidal ridge]

every fight would be a coinflip

[sullen berry]

Unless you're Shanghai

you plonk fearless onto the payload

and as soon as he gets pressured, fleta has already marked the snipers for the kill

[torn fossil]

My day has been ruined

[digital cloud]

ok

[next mesa]

sniper hallway

I don't think the payload will get pushed

[solar bison]

Maybe heavy shielding?

[next mesa]

spam + video

I guess

[torn fossil]

Wait I have a question

Has there ever been a female ow league player?

[solar bison]

No

[digital cloud]

geguri

[solar bison]

Wait

[next mesa]

yes

geguri

[solar bison]

Geguri

[torn fossil]

Oh nice

I never knew that

[next mesa]

she was

[digital cloud]

she is not good enough rn

[next mesa]

decent

okay

[torn fossil]

What team?

[next mesa]

dragons

[digital cloud]

shanghai

[solar bison]

Didnt play this season

[next mesa]

she did play this season

[torn fossil]

Ah

[next mesa]

in like

one match

reverse sweep against london I think

[sullen berry]

Why hello there 👋 @torn fossil

[next mesa]

according to instagram

[solar bison]

Oh

[torn fossil]

Hey kenobi

[next mesa]

"everyone played"

in that match

so I assume dding too

[solar bison]

Really?

[next mesa]

not sure though

I didn't watch the match

[solar bison]

I think dding played

[digital cloud]

there are other female players that might make it though

[sullen berry]

Yeah I could see more players like gegs coming online but obviously the pressure and the presence makes that very difficult

[digital cloud]

aspen

uh

one other I forget

and one retired

[next mesa]

damn imagine like

[digital cloud]

so uh

[next mesa]

being geguri doe

living in teamhouse with just guys

[digital cloud]

future looking bright

[torn fossil]

Yea

[next mesa]

must be kinda weird

[solar bison]

Maybe

[digital cloud]

why

just like college

[solar bison]

But theyve made it work

[next mesa]

you have girls in college

[solar bison]

Professional environment

[next mesa]

do you not have girls in college

yeah

i'm just saying

anyway

[sullen berry]

@torn fossil she left after one week of this video being posted https://youtu.be/tGDL0pSeQmU

[torn fossil]

Ono

[sullen berry]

It's sad though

[next mesa]

why

[digital cloud]

she retired

[sullen berry]

She didn't say specifically why she chose to retire

[next mesa]

I see

[solar bison]

Is there gender issues in pro gaming environment cuz most games dont have many female pros

[digital cloud]

somewhat

people tend to be a bit critical of female players

[sullen berry]

But let it pass and remember we live in a time where bad short term decisions do exist and up ending careers seemed logical at the time

[solar bison]

I know there was a lol full female team

They were a joke though

[next mesa]

they were a fucking joke

[digital cloud]

they were awful

[next mesa]

It was just for marketing

[digital cloud]

they were chosen for being female

not good

[next mesa]

yes

[solar bison]

Worse than season 1 dragons

[sullen berry]

They also got radically BMed in game by other teams

[next mesa]

in LoL there are like some actual good female players though

like chosen because of her skills

[digital cloud]

the teams were pretty much farming them

[solar bison]

Yeah

[next mesa]

not like full marketing strat

[solar bison]

I know

[digital cloud]

like, you could probably have an all female pro team

[next mesa]

yeah they got rolled by like

they set like

fastest game lost

or something

[solar bison]

They set many records

[next mesa]

the record

like 14-15 min

I forgot

I watched the video about them though

[solar bison]

Like least maps won

Or something

[next mesa]

I can't believe

They palyed like 40 games

[solar bison]

Akshon has a video

[next mesa]

before they got kicked out

[solar bison]

I think

[digital cloud]

theScore too

[next mesa]

actually ridiculous lmao

yeah I watched thescore

anyway feelsbad for the girls I mean

[digital cloud]

I hope more female players get into esports soon

on the pro level

[solar bison]

Yeah

[next mesa]

just getting lied to

thinking they were good enough to compete

[solar bison]

There is good female talent

[next mesa]

yes

[solar bison]

Just not getting the offers

[next mesa]

idk

[digital cloud]

no offense, but they would if they knew about them

[next mesa]

females are kinda marketable

lmfao

[digital cloud]

being female and good enough to be on a team is a gold mine

[next mesa]

yes

[digital cloud]

like, geguri arguably was not good enough to be in OWL, but she was good compared to the rest of her team

and that mattered

c9 has an all female valorant team people have a lot of hopes about

[cobalt spoke]

Thats pretty xqcL if you ask me

[digital cloud]

?

[cobalt spoke]

No but seroiusly

Female representation in esports is great

[solar bison]

Well fran is a content creator for reign

[digital cloud]

if they are good

[solar bison]

Or was

Im not too sure

[digital cloud]

if they are not, it is bad representation

like the lol team

that set back players in lol like a decade

[solar bison]

Well

[digital cloud]

people meme about it a ton

[solar bison]

If a all female team is good, they are pushed aside, but if they are bad the spotlight is on them

[digital cloud]

they are not pushed aside

[solar bison]

Which is why we heard about the LoL team

[digital cloud]

there is no top tier cs female team

no top tier female ow team

period

maybe there will be

I hope there will be

[solar bison]

they are not pushed aside
@digital cloud well, if there was, they probably wouldnt be as celebrated as the current teams

At least in the current environment

[digital cloud]

that may be true

sexism does exist in esports quite a bit

but if they were good enough, we would see them in the big leagues, even if most people only cared about the guy teams

[solar bison]

True

[digital cloud]

I don't know if it is because esports is more of a "male" environment or what

[solar bison]

Well

[digital cloud]

I personally think that there may be a reaction time difference, similar to sports

but I don't know

[solar bison]

Maybe

But nba is mre popular than wnba

Mainly because nba is better

Thats not a good point nvm

[sullen berry]

If charge ever quit being a multicultural team

take a big gamble and go mixed gender

[solar bison]

I dont know

What would marketing be

And would it be multi gender or all female

Because i dont know if players want to risk it

But, of course, risks are good

[sullen berry]

I'm not talking about a huge leap, female gamers in China are obviously a big time sink so signing one to be their token star player would be good change of pace or an org

[solar bison]

Without them, no progress is made

[sullen berry]

Overwatch has only now come to the realisation that mixed rosters do work, but they still thrive under a deep KR core

[solar bison]

True

[sullen berry]

Without it there's little to no mental shift that they can do to outperform the top teams

[solar bison]

So are you suggesting a mixed gender with a male core

[sullen berry]

Perhaps

[solar bison]

If executed correctly it could work

But if done wrong, its 10 steps back

[sullen berry]

If the OWL's marketing hinges on anything, it's players who can shine without having to be at their top every single game

[digital cloud]

Has to happen sometime

[solar bison]

I dont think any teams would be willing to risk it

[digital cloud]

Either we eventually have mixed teams

[sullen berry]

Softer reps like best main tank super or best tracer sbb are slightly more sustainable

[digital cloud]

Or we acknowledge esports has a divide like sports

[solar bison]

Well

[sullen berry]

They can't acknowledge any divide if its not there

[digital cloud]

We don’t know

[solar bison]

If scientists do studies on reaction times etc

[digital cloud]

That is the point

[solar bison]

Then that can prove the divulge

Or if it doesnt exist

Might be a stretch trying to get them to do it though

[sullen berry]

At this point in time, contenders has a divide but that's more to do with the gaming culture and skill gap

[dry mesa]

reaction time isn't the only thing that determines a good player tho

[sullen berry]

^

[solar bison]

I know

[digital cloud]

Well yeah

[solar bison]

I put etc for a reason

[digital cloud]

But presumably women can think the same way

[dry mesa]

seems like the convo is focused on RT

[solar bison]

Oh

[dry mesa]

no player has exactly the same set of skills anyway

[solar bison]

Well thats just a big part of fps

I used it as a generalization

For skill

[dry mesa]

but this is more than an fps

[digital cloud]

There is no reason to think female players can’t strategize or communicate the same way

[dry mesa]

positioning, strategy, accuracy is not the same as reaction time

[digital cloud]

I would think reaction time would be the difference, if any

[dry mesa]

shot calling, decision making

[solar bison]

True

[dry mesa]

multi tasking

[sullen berry]

Here's hundreds more non-measurables people have raked over and over because it matters when you hear:
A) custa is a good shotcaller
B) Fissure benched himself during the playoffs
C) Erster/Daco is missing from Atlanta Reign
D) Coolmattplays OWL General Manger 2021

[solar bison]

Love c

[dry mesa]

even mental and morale

[solar bison]

But daco left

[dry mesa]

some people get tilt

perform bad

[earnest leaf]

I know we wanted to move away from RT, but I found a small study that showed males had overall faster reaction times than females in almost every age group

[digital cloud]

All?

[solar bison]

Link?

[earnest leaf]

was only 120 people (60males 60females)

[solar bison]

Ok

[earnest leaf]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456887/#:~:text=factors are removed.-,Gender,is not reduced by practice.&text=[16] also showed that males responded faster than females.

[digital cloud]

Not a good study then

[solar bison]

Well, small sample, i dont trust it

[earnest leaf]

yea just a smaller one

[dry mesa]

gender is listed as 9th out of 27 factors in that study that measures reaction times

[solar bison]

Link?

[dry mesa]

the one above

[solar bison]

Oh

[dry mesa]

fatigue has a bigger factor if anything

[solar bison]

I mean age is a big factor

I dont see 90 year olds hitting flicks

[digital cloud]

I just think that physical metrics make more sense than assuming we need to check a difference in strategy, mentality, positioning, etc.

[dry mesa]

yeah thats why older players retire sometimes

not at peak

as much as people want a clear cut data to support their bias, its probably numerous factors

[solar bison]

True

[digital cloud]

Certainly it is

But it has been determined, despite that, that sport is divided by sex

I don’t see why we could not see if that is the case in esports

[solar bison]

Yeah

[dry mesa]

Ultimately, there are some great women OW players that probably should be signed, but lots opt out due to harassment

[digital cloud]

It probably does happen a great deal

[solar bison]

If one mixed team does good like paris, certainly many will follow in its footsteps

[dry mesa]

there is no need to separate, it isn't the 1950s

[digital cloud]

There is if women are better overall

Or men

[solar bison]

Of course korean western is different than female male

[digital cloud]

Because then it is a stomp either way

[solar bison]

So female male might be harder

[dry mesa]

women OW players have shown they are OWL level talent, but many opt out due to harassment

[earnest leaf]

Who are those women that opted out but could of made owl?

[digital cloud]

What proof do you have that is the reason

I think that makes sense

But I would like some evidence that is the case

[earnest leaf]

I don't know of any since I don't follow t2 or t3 at all

[dry mesa]

a thread about it was posted in r/overwatchleague yesterday

[solar bison]

Umm

[digital cloud]

Can you provide it

[solar bison]

Geguri

She is in owl

[dry mesa]

hold on

a few others have left

[solar bison]

So Dragons have to have done something to make her want to be on team

[digital cloud]

Money

[dry mesa]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OverwatchLeague/comments/ji0t0l/serious_why_is_geguri_still_the_only_female/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[solar bison]

Unless there were ulterior motives

[dry mesa]

https://www.heroesneverdie.com/2019/1/4/18168399/overwatch-contenders-second-wind-ellie-controversy

Geguri, while playing in Korea at 16 years old, was accused of cheating after her performance in a tournament.

no one believed she was good solely based on gender

[solar bison]

I think that if one female player joins a team and she plays good, many others would follow her

[digital cloud]

Yeah, there is harassment

[solar bison]

And then domino

[digital cloud]

I do not deny that

But Ellie was a dude’s alt account

They admitted it

[dry mesa]

https://twitter.com/bawlynn/status/1078519193492844544?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1078519193492844544|twgr^share_3%2Ccontainerclick_1&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heroesneverdie.com%2F2019%2F1%2F4%2F18168399%2Foverwatch-contenders-second-wind-ellie-controversy

and

Season one champions, the London Spitfire, have a female general manager in Susie Kim. The Washington Justice have Molly “AVALLA” Kim as the league’s first female coach, and Kate Mitchell as an assistant general manager.

It's absolutely unacceptable for members of this community to bully, harass or doxx players for their gender. It shows why there's so few women in this sport. We have to do better, not just for the women and girls playing this game now, but for those growing up watching us.

— Justice Kate Mitchell (@wispy timbereMitchellOW) January 3, 2019

Analynn Dang (@bawlynn)

Holy shit ranked is so fucking cringe lmao

I literally talk on voice chat at the start of the game and someone starts screaming that we lost bc there’s a girl on the team

Then they proceed to afk and throw the entire game 🙂

Retweets

323

Likes

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[earnest leaf]

and then the person accusing her made her prove she wasn't cheating and made a bet to retire if she wasn't

[dry mesa]

we know

[earnest leaf]

ohnonon

[dry mesa]

read the entire article

that tweet linked in the article also why women don't try to go pro

[digital cloud]

The fact that some are harassed does not prove that is why women are not joining

[dry mesa]

it is a shared experience by nearly every woman on the planet that harassment often times deters women from reaching their fullest potential

[digital cloud]

Unless that is explicitly stated by the player, it is speculation

[dry mesa]

that literally came from the player's mouth

so

idk what more you want

[digital cloud]

One example, yes

[dry mesa]

alright

moving on

not worth trying to "prove" sexism to you

[digital cloud]

I know sexism exists

[dry mesa]

alright good

moving on

[digital cloud]

I am saying that may not be the reason women do not join

[dry mesa]

....

moving on

[earnest leaf]

so what's the list of female players that could of gone pro in owl that didn't due to harassment

[digital cloud]

I think Malice wants to move on Flame

We should just change the topic

[dry mesa]

yes

[rich bear]

@quartz cairn did u get a skin?

[sullen berry]

https://twitter.com/ShanghaiDragons/status/1320576512119242753/photo/1

Shanghai Dragons (@ShanghaiDragons)

A letter from our GM Van

Twitter

brace yourselves

[digital cloud]

diem?

and Luffy?

whyyyyyyyyyy

and Diya?

awww

[earnest leaf]

diem will easily find a new place

dding too I think

idk much about diya or geguri since they don't play often

[tropic herald]

Diem and Luffy will get picked up surely

Dding probably too

[earnest leaf]

diem to dallas

do it hastro

whip out the check

[silk frost]

Diya is the best player in contenders

He'll kill everything

[tropic herald]

I have no idea if any teams will pick up Geguri

She’s good yeah

[silk frost]

Maybe in contenders

[tropic herald]

Diem would actually be good for dallas

Hmmm

[digital cloud]

she would benefit from contenders I think

[tropic herald]

I would love Dallas if they pick up diem

https://twitter.com/shanghaidragons/status/1320577873464434690?s=21

Shanghai Dragons (@ShanghaiDragons)

[EN]
Diya has been with the Dragons since the beginning of the league. He's been with us every step of the way on this long journey. After crushing it in Contenders, he's ready to take the next step. We know that no matter where he goes, he'll end up a star. To Diya, thank yo...

Twitter

https://twitter.com/shanghaidragons/status/1320578942403792899?s=21

Shanghai Dragons (@ShanghaiDragons)

[EN]
Since joining us in the inaugural season, Geguri has been a joy to our team and inspiration to so many. From incredible tank plays all the way to dad jokes, she can do it all, and we hope they only continue in the future.

Twitter

Giving the players individual tweets too

Nice Shanghai

[digital cloud]

wow, geguri looks different than I remembered

[tropic herald]

https://twitter.com/shanghaidragons/status/1320579768501362688?s=21

Shanghai Dragons (@ShanghaiDragons)

[EN]
DDing's insane Sombra and Pharah plays were some of the highlights of our 2019 season. His skill and hero pool played a massive role in our #Breakthrough, and we will always be thankful to him. We hope he continues to fly the friendly skies in the future.

Twitter

[digital cloud]

Diya too

dding looks the same

[sullen berry]

#esports-discussion message

Diya still yet to announce anything personally

[tropic herald]

The fact that eileen knows what’s happening

Does that mean Diya is going to Guangzhou

[sullen berry]

Eileen has friends in Chengdu

but spark as unlikely as it may be

is not out

[tropic herald]

https://twitter.com/shanghaidragons/status/1320580702094721024?s=21

Shanghai Dragons (@ShanghaiDragons)

[EN]
Some of the most thrilling headshots OWL has ever seen have been the work of diem. After two years of being a Widowmaker champion, he's moving on from the Dragons. We wish him a bright future, thank you.

Twitter

Wait Diya to Chengdu

Kinda big

Who’s their current hitscan? Baconjack?

[sullen berry]

whose left

they dropped both TW players in baconjack and ATing

[tropic herald]

So they don’t have a hitscan player as of now

Yeah Chengdu makes sense

More than Hangzhou who have Godsb and just promoted Shu

Shy

[limber pine]

https://twitter.com/ShanghaiDragons/status/1320581956258664448

Shanghai Dragons (@ShanghaiDragons)

[EN]
Luffy was vital in our #Breakthrough last year and has contributed greatly to our success this season. He's done everything we've asked of him and we couldn't be more proud of the player he has become. We will be following his career and wish him the best of luck!

Twitter

[sullen berry]

that's all 5 of them

[tropic herald]

Truly painful

But I hope they pop off as starters elsewhere

[limber pine]

diem will likely find somewhere

not sure about the rest

[sullen berry]

diya

[digital cloud]

wasn't luffy good?

or am I misremembering

[tropic herald]

Luffy was very good

He was subbed in a bit and I always thought he played well

Just Izayaki was better

[silk frost]

Surprised diem gone

[limber pine]

all 5 were on expiring contracts.

[sullen berry]

^

[limber pine]

seems like orgs have heavily leaned in the direction of letting players in that situation test free agency

!!owl2021

[young fractal]

Roster Construction Rules for 2021 OWL Season: https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/news/roster-construction-rules-for-2021-overwatch-league-season
2021 Player Contract Status: https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/news/2021-player-contract-status
r/Overwatch 2021 Rosterpocalypse Megathread: https://redd.it/jbnajq

[earnest leaf]

diem to philly honestly wouldn't be bad imo

lets them run double hitscan more comfortably

for stuff like ashe tracer widow tracer

[limber pine]

yeah

decay is the only re-sign so far, but it's still early in free agency

there's still 20 or so players that have expiring contracts that we haven't seen updates about

[earnest leaf]

https://twitter.com/ansansniper__/status/1320586500598239232 oh ans rip

ANS (@ansansniper__)

@SFShock @Rascal @NRGgg 😂

Twitter

wrong emoji lol

ah he deleted it already

[tidal ridge]

Geguri, Diya, Luffy, Dding, Diem

diem to dallas tho?

👀

[digital cloud]

imagine doha, sparkle, diem

[tidal ridge]

that would be a sick dps line

i was hoping mag dallas

but washington is also cool

filling the main tank hole that plagued them the entire season

[tawdry hamlet]

I don't blame them for leaving since shanghai barely played them this season, but Diya, hell yeah I am glad to see him back I remember his 2017 performances

Diya to chengdu pls

I love chengdu

When was the last time Geguri played a match?

2019?

[silk frost]

Yeah

Diya deserves to stsrt

Start

[viral veldt]

Pretty sure geguri played this year

[silk frost]

Once

[hot heart]

She did pretty well

[cerulean elm]

I need help on getting the contenedors skins 😖

[hidden vault]

fearless is still on the team tho

[plush grail]

damn the dragons dropping so many people sucks

they just got screwed over by the grand finals meta

they probably don't have the money they need to keep star players like diem

[hidden vault]

really? shanghai?

about money?

i think the Chinese own team would do better thisbyear because of the economy

[plush light]

:

What's going through my head when I'm looking at the Free Agent market this off-season https://t.co/8ItGXP2mZf

Oop

[hot heart]

https://twitter.com/MCD_OW/status/1320636314299949057?s=19

MCD (@MCD_OW)

finally 👀👀

Likes

323

Twitter

Bro

https://twitter.com/rush_coach/status/1320653297368219648?s=19 Rush's reply to the tweet by MCD

OW_Rush (Hee-Won Yun) (@rush_coach)

@MCD_OW wow 👀

Twitter

[hidden vault]

yes

he is em

finally somone taking up em supports

what about main tank and main support?

Alpha Takoyaki Undine Unique?

[quartz cairn]

I got pinged here~?

Big confusion

[gaunt acorn]

@quartz cairn not from what i can see

[hidden vault]

it's probably deleted

[gaunt acorn]

that's what i checked

[hidden vault]

well well well

the mods sees deleted messages

[quartz cairn]

Lemme check again

I swear i was piged

Pinged

Probs deleted

Well probs just a ping and run lol

Oh nvm i see

[hot heart]

Ping and run

Alpha Takoyaki Undine Unique?
@hidden vault AlphA and Unique are probably moving up

[gaunt acorn]

@hidden vault always have

[umbral zodiac]

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1320688982884290560?s=20

Arran “Halo” Brown (@haloofthoughts)

My current understanding is that the Dallas Fuel are supposedly continuing the Element Mystic story and are expected to sign Support player Jeong-Ho "MCD" Lee.

Another player who played under Rush in Korean Contenders

Twitter

[next mesa]

Dragons really just dropped diem

Best widow in the league

Kekw

[hidden vault]

@hidden vault always have
let me guess edited too?

@hidden vault AlphA and Unique are probably moving up
how do you know?

[gaunt acorn]

@hidden vault yes -- edits, deletions, etc

[hidden vault]

[hot heart]

how do you know?
@hidden vault because they're really good if im not mistaken

Starting to watch EM games

[hidden vault]

yup okay but why not Takoyaki or undine?

[hot heart]

Dont know much about them

[quartz cairn]

is there a way to add a certain site to your blizzard account permissions

i keep closing and opening, relogging into, and logging out / logging back in on the OW contenders site

and i still dont see the contenders website on my blizz acc

they also said sometime that OWL website is diff from contenders website

but i cant get contenders to my conncetions

so is there an option to like, forcibly add a website to ur permissions

[next mesa]

@cobalt spoke are you depressed

[cobalt spoke]

No

[next mesa]

it's gonna be okay man

[raw ermine]

diem to dallas?

[digital cloud]

people want that

not sure that it is confirmed

[next mesa]

Diem to dallas is a good match

if he wants to start

I mean diem doha sparkle kinda hot

[hidden vault]

nahhh

[vagrant jacinth]

Diya gone

There goes my dream

[hot heart]

Welcome to the offseason

Pain pain and some cool signings

[cloud latch]

...pog

[raw ermine]

https://twitter.com/jihun_OW/status/1320712560732196864

jihun 지훈 (@jihun_OW)

그동안 감사했습니다. 은퇴글

Read: https://t.co/jntidglXBb

Twitter

Rip Korean Ameng retired

Their can only be one

[next mesa]

0

[raw ermine]

til BallOW joins OWL

[next mesa]

man's about to quadruple boop his way to grand finals mvp

[plush light]

What does the jihun one say in English?

[raw ermine]

It was a short time for less than a year in London, but I was really happy to meet great team members, coaches, and it was an honor to compete with many great players. In the beginning and the middle of the season, there were times when I was in pain and had a lot of difficulties, but if I look back, I think I had more good memories. But personally, I think it's a bit disappointed to me. Lastly, I'm going to retire as a professional gamer and while taking care of my health. Thank you so much for always supporting us. I hope you have a good evening. I'll say hello to you tomorrow stream. Thank you very much.

[plush light]

Oh

Thx

[raw ermine]

Dallas change branding?

[next mesa]

lmao

[digital cloud]

I have to wonder now if sparkle knew he was going to dallas with his doha tweet

he probably did

but at the time I assumed sparkle was just acting like he usually does

[tropic herald]

https://twitter.com/shanghaidragons/status/1320598846322466817?s=21

Shanghai Dragons (@ShanghaiDragons)

To Diya, Geguri, diem, DDing, and Luffy,

Thank you. You will always be Dragons. You will always be family.

Retweets

187

Likes

1273

Twitter

[tawdry hamlet]

Fleta will be on that list eventually bet

[next mesa]

what

are you dumb bro

you really think they gonna drop the mvp

kekw

[solar bison]

If they did though

Plus, fleta is still on contract

[hidden vault]

eventually a few years later

[weak bolt]

That list isn't surprising. Good moves on the SHD side to fill their roster

Only surprise was Diem, but maybe he wanted to move on

[digital cloud]

Diya is supposedly a god too

but the rest make sense

[karmic grotto]

He wouldn't get much playtime with lip there

[weak bolt]

Diya has been good in contenders, I guess they've given him some time in Scrims at some stage and it hasn't been worth keeping

Diem would really only be there as a widow one trick I suppose

[digital cloud]

maybe as potential back up if an injury occurs

of course lip and Fleta are both good hitscan

[tawdry hamlet]

I meant on the list of honored jerseys dummy

not the list of dropped players

I wonder how long overwatch league is even going to last

at its current state I see like 2 more seasons if that

but with ow2 probably like 5 more

maybe

idk if that many

[limber pine]

OW2 will give new life to everything

hopefully blizz can have OWL in a better spot by then

[vagrant jacinth]

Hope so, I want owl to flourish so bad

[tawdry hamlet]

me2

[raw ermine]

^

[tawdry hamlet]

honestly league style in an esport kind of wack since the games are changing by the years

I don't get the approach vs just like independent approach like most other games

except cod

[valid oxide]

https://twitter.com/Fusion/status/1320758106989756416

Philadelphia Fusion (@Fusion)

In and out of practice these two individuals have been crucial to Fusion's success...

We're thrilled to welcome back both @Mobydik_ow and @ChrisTFerOW as assistant coaches for the 2021 season!

Twitter

[tawdry hamlet]

it does make it a lot more interesting to watch

[raw ermine]

noice

[weak bolt]

At least half of the Chipsa family stayed at Philly

[vagrant jacinth]

Who do you guys think will pick up diya/diem?

[raw ermine]

"the chipsa family"
love it

Diem could go to dallas

Can diya speak korean?

[vagrant jacinth]

Im not sure you know

Diya to chengdu?

[tawdry hamlet]

I wonder if Nero will resign since I think he is free agent soon

hmm

and I hope diya goes to chengdu

then my fav players would be playing together

[next mesa]

I'm pretty sure dragons would've liked to keep diem, but diem wants to start

that's just my speculation though

lip is just more flexible

[vagrant jacinth]

Yeah most likely

Diya to chengdu would be good, I wanna see my man play

[next mesa]

yeah does chengdu even have hitscan

lmfao baconjack

[vagrant jacinth]

Nah, baconjack retired iirc

[next mesa]

o

so yeah it's good

diya to chengdu

[vagrant jacinth]

Make it happen hunters

[solar bison]

We haven’t had any news on the hunters besides baconjack and ating leaving right?

[raw ermine]

nope

[vagrant jacinth]

Nothing so far ye

[tropic herald]

https://twitter.com/xzi_ow/status/1320736302657015809?s=21

Xzi (@xzi_ow)

👀👀

Likes

480

Twitter

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1320759921168785408?s=21

Arran “Halo” Brown (@haloofthoughts)

Update: While Sources have not currently confirmed the team, they have confirmed that Xzi is going to be leaving the Paris Eternal https://t.co/sEF8qFyUjB

Twitter

[hot heart]

I swear to god

O

Thanks for the tweets spookathy

Now

NYXL Is the most likely candidate

[tropic herald]

Dallas looking kinda sus

Bc Dallas also have MCD on the way

[hot heart]

How good is MCD

And would you pick up xzi or diem

[tropic herald]

He was the flex support on EM when they won gauntlet

[hot heart]

Since money literally doesnt matter

[tropic herald]

So I’d say MCD is best

[hot heart]

In KR contenders?

Damn

[tropic herald]

I’d pick up both if I had the money tbh

[hot heart]

Alright

[tropic herald]

You get a nutcase widow

And a nutcase McCree

[hot heart]

Eh

Better pickup one

Then a tracer specialist

[tropic herald]

It just depends what you want more

McCree or Widow

[hot heart]

Hmm

Id say probably pick up diem

Wait

What if erster goes to dallas

I can actually see that

He plays mei tracer

Two heroes that neither sp9rk1e or doha cover

[karmic grotto]

Xzi to Dallas?

Pls, let the steam be real

[hot heart]

It was confirmed not to happen i think

[karmic grotto]

Who said that?

[hot heart]

Halo

[karmic grotto]

Nobody is sure

[hot heart]

Yeah

And

If you were picking up xzi why not announce him with sp9rk1e and hanbin

Unless you wanna hype it up

Idk

[karmic grotto]

It's because as Paris said

You are still negotiating

You don't need to announce everyone at once

[hot heart]

Yeah ig

[karmic grotto]

Same with Dallas

[tropic herald]

xzi probably knows his worth so he is trying to get more money

[karmic grotto]

They want to announce Saturday/Sunday

And then it changed to week

[hot heart]

Hmm

So lets say hypothetically

They sign on xzi

Who do they sign to play tracer/mei

[tropic herald]

i wonder if toronto or dallas pick up og

pge

og e

[solar bison]

Not dallas

[tropic herald]

make doha play mei and sparkle play tracer

[hot heart]

If dallas pickup OGE that would be something

Is the sp9rk1e tracer good?

[tropic herald]

it has room to grow

[solar bison]

No

[hot heart]

I remember it being bad

Like

Not bad

Just

[solar bison]

Ok

[hot heart]

Not good at

[tropic herald]

its alright

[hot heart]

Top tier

[tropic herald]

its certaiinly not his genji

[solar bison]

Not sbb level

[hot heart]

Hmm

So

HanBin Xzi Sp9rk1e Doha MCD

Who's the MT

[raw ermine]

Kaiser

[hot heart]

Ah yes

Kaiser

What if dallas just pick up Fissure

[solar bison]

Dallas stacked

They miss playoffs again

[hot heart]

Until i see their MT

[karmic grotto]

Agree

[hot heart]

Im not sure about them being a top team

[solar bison]

True

[karmic grotto]

MT is going to be one the most impact roles

They need a real tank to shine

[hot heart]

They'll at worst be top 13 or 14

[solar bison]

In NA or overall

[hot heart]

Overall

[solar bison]

Ok

[hot heart]

Who are The MT FA's

Rn

[solar bison]

Well

Oge

[hot heart]

AlphA

[solar bison]

Pokpo

[hot heart]

MT

Not OT

Hmm

[solar bison]

Pokpo

He main tank

Not poko

[hot heart]

Bro

Im dumb

I saw poko

[solar bison]

Lol

[hot heart]

Anyway yeah

Pokpo Hanbin could be good

I feel like pokpo was just wasting away on ATL

[solar bison]

Mano contract expires

Maybe he goes to another team

[hot heart]

And yong and rush could revitalise him

Eh

[solar bison]

Mano to passive though

[hot heart]

Mano doesnt go anywhere probably

I mean

If dallas really want to

They could offer him a huge salary

[solar bison]

True

[hot heart]

And just yoink him

[solar bison]

Ninek went to fusion right?

[hot heart]

Yeah

[solar bison]

Ok

[hot heart]

Sky is the limit this offseason

[solar bison]

True

So many good free agents

[hot heart]

So many great players as FA's

[solar bison]

So many rebuilding teams

[hot heart]

Im interested to see what toronto do

[solar bison]

They have kgb

[hot heart]

Maybe the vailant approach

[solar bison]

He could do some magic and turn them around

[hot heart]

Or the dallas approach

Of throw money at people

[solar bison]

2 polar opposites

[hot heart]

And get the best players

Yeah

Usually how it goes

[solar bison]

Yeah

No middle ground

[hot heart]

Or some half assed in-between in previous years

[karmic grotto]

I need season 4 or I'll riot.

[solar bison]

Well

[hot heart]

I cant wait till april

[solar bison]

When does it start

[hot heart]

If OW2 is out before OWL starts

Probably gonna be the craziest season ever

[solar bison]

OW2L

[hot heart]

the sequel no one asked for

[solar bison]

Who kills the bots fastest

[hot heart]

Aka who rolls boston the hardest

[solar bison]

Yeah

Boston needs a turnaround year

2 years of being bottom feeders

[hot heart]

Removing mineral and re-signing myungbong was a decent start

[solar bison]

Yeah

[hot heart]

So

We'll see where it goes from there

[solar bison]

I think jerry can be good with good coaching

[hot heart]

Yeah

[solar bison]

He has shined before

[hot heart]

He was always a decent hitscan

[solar bison]

Yeah

[hot heart]

Nothing too crazy

But not elite

Like

[silk frost]

They should be good in 2021, all of the players were good they just had an awful support system (coaches and halo)

[solar bison]

The fact that he was on boston didnt really help

[hot heart]

Yeah

Halo was

Something

Just remembered

[solar bison]

I thought he was korean till halfway through the season

[hot heart]

They had swimmer on the team

[solar bison]

Yeah

What happened to him

[hot heart]

Retired

And just streams i think

[silk frost]

The Boston Curse

Hopefully they don't flop like a fish this year I think they have potential

[hot heart]

Boston downfall

Yeah

[solar bison]

Boston pulls a justice

[hot heart]

Fusions punk is a decent frontline

And you have myungbong

[solar bison]

Does shit in reg season and gets 3rd in NA finals

[hot heart]

So you're good at FS

But now the question is

[solar bison]

MS

[hot heart]

Who do you pick up at MS and flex dps

Colourhex was just disappointing last year

I remember when i had hope for boston

The offseason before s2

And then it all went down hill

And now boston is here

Trying to build a squad to climb out of the gutters of bottom 3

[solar bison]

Yep

Why was bostons roster so small

Like 6 people

[hot heart]

Lmao they dont even care anymore

[solar bison]

Wdym?

[silk frost]

It's obvious

Mcd is a freak

[solar bison]

Oh

[keen aurora]

lol

[next mesa]

Mcd is flex support?

[keen aurora]

i kinda wanted s3rk1e on nyxl

[next mesa]

Is he anyone good

well no shit he's good but like

[keen aurora]

but dallas is empty only doha

[next mesa]

apparently there are better

[keen aurora]

ye

onigod was eh

but it was a big oof decay went to washington

[solar bison]

And decay flexed and 3-0 dallas on Washington

[raw ermine]

good for casores

I expected that after the other 2 left

[earnest leaf]

ah just as I predicted

[keen aurora]

i swear if moth goes to bostion ima cry

[solar bison]

No

Wont happen

[earnest leaf]

crusty gonna make casores a nasty coach

[keen aurora]

why did archetict go to hangzhao

[solar bison]

I wanted to start

He*

[keen aurora]

start where?

[cloud latch]

spark

[silk frost]

And because he has existing synergy with godsb from x6

[keen aurora]

oh ok makes sense now

[worn falcon]

@earnest leaf Crusty is gonna overheat, with some drops and their ex analyst/assistants

[cobalt spoke]

Crusty?

[raw ermine]

the head coach for sfs

best coach in all of OW

[cobalt spoke]

So far shock has lost 1 assistant coach

[raw ermine]

2

[cobalt spoke]

Net

[raw ermine]

yeah

[next mesa]

gained 1

[plush grail]

man I really hop casores becoming a head coach on the #1 will lead to more ex YAB players making it into owl

[next mesa]

just let crusty do everything

[cobalt spoke]

He is not becoming a head coach

[plush grail]

wait no my bad

not head coach

[cobalt spoke]

He is becoming an assistant coach

[plush grail]

but still, if the shock still does well people might want to pick up some YAB players

[cobalt spoke]

What players do shock even need?

[true hound]

muma

[plush grail]

shock sign muma just to have a little challenge

try to win with muma on winston

[cobalt spoke]

Shock has all tanks accept zarya at a top tier level

[solar bison]

But chois zarya is good

[plush grail]

inb4 fucking zunba returns to owl

[cobalt spoke]

Yea

[next mesa]

zunba dude

pog

[cobalt spoke]

Choi zarya is high tier

[next mesa]

it's okay

[cobalt spoke]

Not top 3 tho

[plush grail]

tbh a zarya specialist might be worth it

[cobalt spoke]

No it wouldnt

[plush grail]

zarya has always been meta

[next mesa]

just sign another off tank

[cobalt spoke]

Just make ta1yo a zarya player

[next mesa]

That targets zarya

that specializes in zarya*

[solar bison]

And if needed they can play dva sig for more flexibility

So they can switch off a zarya comp if its not working

[cobalt spoke]

No

[true hound]

zunba zarya

yes pls sign

[next mesa]

they need another off tank anyway

[cobalt spoke]

Choi sigma and d.va is top 3

No doubt

[solar bison]

Yeah

Void and choi are top off tanks in the league

[cobalt spoke]

Shock doesnt need a whole new off tank player just for zarya

[next mesa]

They can still play choi

[cobalt spoke]

True

[next mesa]

It's just burnout for choi to play in every single match

[plush grail]

im really interested to see how dallas is gonna fuck up in s4

[next mesa]

like if they're giong up against scrubs

they can bring out the other tank

[plush grail]

the current team is looking solid

[solar bison]

True

[plush grail]

but they're gonna fuck it up

[next mesa]

idk man

[solar bison]

No

[next mesa]

aero isn't there anymore

if dallas just shuts the fuck up and give them money

[solar bison]

They get super to play off tank w smurf

[next mesa]

I think it'll be fine

super's off tank is trash ngl

[earnest leaf]

shock is fine tank wise

[solar bison]

Exactly

[next mesa]

Have you seen his sigma

[solar bison]

Yeah

[earnest leaf]

super sigma ohnonono

[next mesa]

he did like

[solar bison]

Super needs to be like mirror

[next mesa]

1k damage

god

it was hilarious

[solar bison]

And play on every single role

In one game

Against boston or something

[cobalt spoke]

super is fine

[solar bison]

That would boost his ego the most

[next mesa]

super on zen

[plush grail]

idk they could try super on lucio for like 1 game

[next mesa]

replaces viol2t

[cobalt spoke]

So shock has good play ob like every tank

[next mesa]

?

[solar bison]

Super lucio

[cobalt spoke]

If viol2t and moth stay they have good enough play on like every support

And then just dps

[solar bison]

I feel like he would feed

They have good play on most meta dps

[earnest leaf]

Since they lost rascal they might need someone to fill that hole

[solar bison]

And taiyo can fill rascals shoes with crusty coaching

[earnest leaf]

unless crusty is getting the other DPS to learn his heroes