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weak bolt
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Do players have to accept and exercised option if a team chose it? I assume so

clear crane
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most likely yes, unless it was a mutual option

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but i think OWL only has team options

cobalt spoke
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I think all 4 of the shock players will re-sign anyway tho

weak bolt
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So in theory Paris extending hanbin/xzi/sparkle could be to trade/sell

clear crane
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lol u really want that to happen

weak bolt
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I want to save them from the tortures of a bad mixed roster

earnest leaf
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Why would paris ever trade or sell hanbin and xzi

weak bolt
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Money, roster direction change, unhappy players

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Also just noticed roar still signed for 2021 hahahhaha

cobalt spoke
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Yea

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Roar is literally the reason that they lose all the time

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As soon as you bench roar? Almost beat the best team in the league

keen aurora
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idk

limber pine
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I think it's less the play of roar and more the play of decay

next mesa
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just 👏 get 👏 new 👏 mt

cobalt spoke
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No

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A good main tank on that team would make them mid tier atleast

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Decay is just a good player

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And he does carry

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But someone like super or fearless could do that too if they replaced roar

bleak narwhal
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hi

raw ermine
next mesa
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RUN

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AWAY

raw ermine
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super weird

limber pine
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if you say so

raw ermine
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he was top 1 dps in his room

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unparalleled

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probably wasn't

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he MIGHT have been top 10

digital cloud
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Any of the good dooms would have easily trashed him

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I will be generous to him for once and say he could have beaten some of the worse dooms

cobalt spoke
hidden vault
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Meko just sign with nyxl if not where else you gonna go?

plush light
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Nyxl resign pine, fl0w3r, ark, janus, and meko? Please?!?!?!?!
I FEEL NASTALGIC

limber pine
fringe laurel
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Another one

raw ermine
tropic herald
raw ermine
plush light
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Defiant released everyone

clear crane
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Thanos Snap

raw ermine
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so the block chops

clear crane
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Vancouver, there's ur new flex dps

next mesa
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nah I mean you don't know how good chipsa would've been because doom meta never came

lapis portal
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Wdym? They picked up CHipsa bc of the doom meta

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But shortly after doom became a none viable pickagain

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so he only saw one game of play

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and that was bc vancover was god awful at that point

next mesa
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it's safe to say his doom is def better than carpe's and carpe's doom is at the least serviceable

lapis portal
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ive never seen carpe's doom, so i cant talk about him, but Chipsa is definitly one of the better dooms in the world

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although GetQuakedOn is probably better

true hound
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bro ur buggin

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GQD is a shitter

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rollout randy who doesn’t play the game

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just farms clips

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Kevindurant is actually good

tropic herald
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Doom one tricks ConcernedSick

raw ermine
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yeah

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cause of OW2

lapis portal
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GQO is a good doom, wdym

next mesa
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Have you seen his vods

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lmfao 80% is just him feeding

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he is good though

true hound
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Chipsa actually makes an attempt to play the hero

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GQD just hardstuck low gm feeding

next mesa
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like honestly I think he knows the hero the best

lapis portal
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Gqo definitly knows more about the hero, he has memorized the rollouts and stuff, Chipsa doesnt really do that a whole lot

tawdry hamlet
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Bruh

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Toronto be like hold up lemme drop my whole roster

lapis portal
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True tho

next mesa
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everyone be like*

true hound
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ye but rollouts r trash

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he’s very good mechanically tho and knows the map well

lapis portal
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Rollouts arent trash, they are just a way to get kills, or to get to point a to point b

true hound
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they just get you killed most of the time

lapis portal
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If GQO didnt do rollouts everytime and only used them when needed, then he would easily be top 100

true hound
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maybe

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but rn he feeds

lapis portal
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kinda

true hound
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and he doesn’t wanna stop the feeding

lapis portal
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Hes a 1 trick

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Of course hes not going to stop feeding lol

true hound
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nah but like KD holds 4.5k on doom

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which is really good

next mesa
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he can get t500

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but like

barren quest
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Maybe GQD would be good if he focused on winning instead of getting clips

next mesa
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most of the time he kinda vibing in master

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yeah

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I mean he's always like

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"watch this watch this"

lapis portal
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Thats how GQO got famous tho

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By getting clips

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By doing a ton of montages

next mesa
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it's like very high risk pretty good reward

lapis portal
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He would not be as known if he didnt

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yo but we should talk about why toronto litterally dropped their entire roster

clear crane
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might be going budget

barren quest
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Hmm Kruise to London?

raw ermine
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O_O

clear crane
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Toronto is one of the few orgs not owned by a crazy rich org

lapis portal
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true

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but those who do have crazy rich orgs are still dropping players by the ton

karmic grotto
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To save

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But also

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Make space for others

clear crane
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prob reinvesting

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knowing they need to put together a better team

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and their current players wont do jack

lapis portal
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Well my theory is that they are getting rid of players to make a ton of room for OW2

clear crane
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I dont think OW2 will change the fundamentals too much

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if anything its just players will need time to grind new heroes

karmic grotto
worn falcon
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basically the fundamentals are gonna be still here

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if anything new heros, new map and new game mode (Push)

lapis portal
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The fundamentals won't be the same , but with 7 (I think, could be wrong) new heroes, that could make the game that much harder

clear crane
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i cant see it changing

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esp if they plan on allowing crossplay between owners of OW and OW2 in pvp

lapis portal
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They arent doing crossplay

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Its basically where ppl who own OW 1 will get access to the PVP part of OW2

worn falcon
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PVP is gonna be the same OW1 and OW2 gonna play the same game

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the difference is gonna be the PVE

lapis portal
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exactly

clear crane
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right so why would the fundamentals change then

worn falcon
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if they do a change, lets say Hanzo. That change is gonna be in OW1 and OW2

clear crane
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besides the new push mode

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i dont see the other modes changing much

lapis portal
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They could

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They were messing with 2cp remember?

worn falcon
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?

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what

lapis portal
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So I feel like they are trying to make the mode better

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mode(s)

clear crane
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hmm sure

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but what would that have to do with making room for players for OW2

lapis portal
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???

clear crane
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you said ur theory is that teams are getting rid of players to make a ton of room for OW2

worn falcon
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^

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Veterans OW players gonna play OW2 the same way as before, maybe slight adaptations to changes.

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But the fundamentals are gonna be here.

clear crane
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Saturday should be juicy. Might be a leak or 2 here and there up to then but thats when free agency is officially open

next mesa
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hey

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did surefour ever win anything

red anvil
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yes

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the first OW esport tourney after OW release

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Agents Rising

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May 2016

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After that - No.

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@next mesa

next mesa
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yeah just saw the wiki page

red anvil
worn falcon
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Surefour the flex god > Fleta is Meta

lapis portal
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Kephrii flex god

valid oxide
limber pine
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I think all of TD is unsigned

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!!owl2021

young fractalBOT
weak bolt
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TD going for their 3rd whole new roster in 3 years

raw ermine
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We'll have logix for all 3 lol

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no roky tho

high basalt
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Chipsa was released?

weak bolt
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Of course he was

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Philly ditched their streamer programme a while ago

plush light
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No chipsa no win

raw ermine
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they realised doomfist metas are few and far between

plush light
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Chipsa plays widow to win

balmy wolf
high basalt
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chipsa has a point tho

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he made $72,004

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while only playing 1 map

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with a 100% winrate

raw ermine
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I thought this was a staff leaving

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phew

raw ermine
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72004$? thats rather specific

frosty acorn
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is owl dying i see tweets on my timeline of players leaving idk much about overwatch esports

raw ermine
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Its the offseason

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teams are realising their core from 2 years ago is bad

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and are making changes

frosty acorn
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Ah okay

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thank you

cobalt spoke
raw ermine
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cursed

quartz cairn
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no

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stop

raw ermine
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Did we get what caused Haksal to retired? Or if he will return?

quartz cairn
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most likely just quitting the competitive scene

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might still play the game

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or maybe hes moved on

worn falcon
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Or maybe just burned out

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Covid-19 is a hella shit on mentality, since you know you can't do much outside ir without the crowd.

next mesa
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plus you know

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titans cucked him

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made him seperate from his bois

tropic herald
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Over half of the players in OWL have become free agents

clear crane
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Haksal kinda said it was also due to the negativity he was receiving from korean fans

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on his IG post afterwards

digital cloud
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why were they being negative?

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runaway being dropped was not their fault

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it was the fault of whatever morons dropped them

clear crane
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apparently he's toxic in rank

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Theres an Overwatch League Ao3 section... lmfao

balmy wolf
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haksal has an infamous history in rank like it or not

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and that history has stayed with him throughout the years

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especially after the last OWWC where SK lost

quartz cairn
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didnt sinatraa have a bad history too

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of toxicity

clear crane
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mhm

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Viol2t is hella toxic

quartz cairn
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damn

balmy wolf
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sinatraa grew out it and made an redemption, most dont

quartz cairn
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Redemption poggers

solar bison
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Viot2t got a map suspension in OWL or something for being toxic

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And i heard that Haksal was moving to a different game, but i could be wrong

tawdry hamlet
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why dump bdosin tho

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he was good support

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sadge

keen aurora
hot heart
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Creative was really good during playoffs

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But still

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Bdosin had the experience

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Maybe he was dropped to save money

clear crane
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Kariv or Bdosin might go to Glads

next mesa
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Idk about bdosin leaving his bois but

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Maybe

tawdry hamlet
vague badger
hot heart
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Hmm

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How good is shy

balmy wolf
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2018 owwc is where he got notoriety as a hitscan dps

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but after that hes been dark since hes been scrimming with spark supposedly

karmic grotto
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Nice

hidden vault
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shy hmm

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damage right?

pseudo canyon
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there's a contenders match starting at 6 am

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can i just leave the ow contenders website on and itll automatically come up when it starts?

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cuz i dont wanna stay up that late

tawdry hamlet
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they dropped smex

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idek who he is

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on paris

weak bolt
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The latest transfer rumours are pretty wild. All of the EM boys from Paris to go to Dallas. KDG to join Nyxl. Paris/Toronto to go full western and 0 Korean

tawdry hamlet
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well I can't think of anything memorable

weak bolt
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Smex was out injured most of season. He had a heart operation I believe

tawdry hamlet
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ah ok, was hoping it wasn't one of my watches a whole tournament and can't even name starters moments lmaoo

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some teams like atlanta I just blank on their tank line

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or toronto supports I forgot existed for a while

weak bolt
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Forgetting Kariv is a crime. He’s adorable

edgy tinsel
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Twitter
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uh

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flower?

high basalt
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COD mobile?

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?

weak bolt
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Is it perhaps same name, different person?

karmic grotto
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I think so

hot heart
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Yeay

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Flow3r doesnt have a 1 in it

high basalt
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You think super is going to renew his shock contract

hot heart
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Probably

upper niche
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It would be a hell of an offer from another team to bring him elsewhere during a covid-affected period.

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I would doubt very much too many teams are going to be willing to outbid a team to get a player for 200k+

karmic grotto
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So that leak huh

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who is a gossip

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That Dallas will get former EM including coach

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It's not a fact yet, but it can me

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Doha/Sp9rk1e/xzi/hanbin/rush

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The reunion

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You know what that means?

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HACKFIST IS BACK

hot heart
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Dude

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If dallas do it

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And nab MuZe

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They're gonna super good next year

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If they arachne too

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Bro

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The opportunities

upper niche
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@karmic grotto Frogger to Dallas ;D

karmic grotto
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bruh

hidden vault
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tbh I'll love to see a super space team

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too bad space is locked

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into glads

karmic grotto
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xqc/space

hidden vault
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haha xqc not coming back

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and I don't think dallas is going to get ex EM they are locked into eternal

tawdry hamlet
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oh well fielder gone

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also anyone gonna watch contenders or nah

karmic grotto
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wtf

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not working

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the tokens

karmic grotto
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How am I supposed to earn skins while the website is not working properly

weak bolt
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Paris must be going full western if they released Fielder

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No way you'd just drop him like that otherwise

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Justice better pick him up. Fielder deserves better

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If Dallas really are picking up the EM core, they could be nasty next season. i'm not sure I could cope with the Dallas fan smugness

karmic grotto
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According to Paris

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nvm, I was thinking about something else

weak bolt
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Reddit leaks suggest Paris losing EM core, and Dogman on stream saying he's heard leaks saying the same

plush light
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Maybe fielder can't get a visia easily?

weak bolt
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Then you'd still keep him at 200 ping lol. He played better than most FS in league

hot heart
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Yeah

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But does he want to play at a constant 200 ping?

weak bolt
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playing in OWL on a current high end team vs risking not playing

upper niche
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Who was the Boston player on 200ish ping?

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Punk

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thougth he was a Kiwi not an Aussie.

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I mean he bloody turned Boston around just having him on the team for the last few matches.

weak bolt
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He was only on high ping for a couple of games I think, didn't he make it to NA pretty quick?

plush light
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That was his coms and synergy with fusions though

upper niche
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wait what, it's Punks birthday today?

weak bolt
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Looks like it

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Bdosin and Slime LFT makes me a little sad

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and Tobi

karmic grotto
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tbh, I'm craving to owl season 4

weak bolt
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Honestly I'd love to see Slime & Fielder & OGE to Justice

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That team would be pretty nasty with Decay/Jjanu/Stitch and them

karmic grotto
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What makes you think they will be a great team with synergy

vague badger
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Jjanu and stich had their contracts expire tho

weak bolt
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yeah but Justice have said they're still in negotiations

vague badger
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Ah

weak bolt
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It's like the Moth story

karmic grotto
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this week

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means we will get an answer Saturday

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So

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Contenders KR gets LAN finals

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But OWL isn't able to do so

upper niche
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OWL had a lan final.

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for the top 4 teams.

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They were all in the same building.

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also lol, TD released Surefour

karmic grotto
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They were?

upper niche
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yeah. The teams were in a different room (or maybe one room with a big divider)?

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but yeah, same building.

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Oh snap, TD also released Kariv, Agilities and Zykk.

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That's like... 3 players right there that I thought were gonna make TD a strong team at the start of the year.

weak bolt
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TD ditched everyone

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Full Korean rebrand time

upper niche
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They declined options on everyone yeah

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I dont mind teams having a full Korean roster but FFS take the franchise to a home city if that's what you're gonna do.

weak bolt
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Funny thing is TD went Mixed -> Korean -> Western -> ??? all in like 3 seasons

upper niche
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From a marketing perspective, it's just difficult to make money.

weak bolt
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It's weird. They arguably had one of the most marketable teams this year, but barely did anything with it

upper niche
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I must admit I did miss seeing Surefour constantly flirting with Mica lol

weak bolt
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When you have agilities & Kariv, why not make fan content. It made LAV so popular

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Also holy hell. Just opened the survey OWL has mailed out, and it's like 1000 questions. They are going into loads of questions on Crisps, Drinks, Gaming chairs, RAM. All to try get info on sponsors

karmic grotto
upper niche
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Can't be as bad as me having to fill out my council election form today. 27 candidates, number every box. Like dude, I am not reading 27 1-page position statements, fuck that.

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I kinda figured Seoul would sign those two then build the team aruond them.

clear crane
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2 seasons u mean

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which makes it worst haha

weak bolt
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Name all the beverage companies you know. Rate them all 1-5. Did you know coke sponsors OWL? Would that make you buy coke? - Repeat for Crisps, Gaming chairs, RAM (And probably more, I rage quit)

karmic grotto
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Beverage?

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Heineken

weak bolt
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I must have gone through 50 different questions and with no end in sight, I just closed it lol

karmic grotto
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Wait, pepsi is even bigger than coca cola

weak bolt
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yeah pepsi is huge

karmic grotto
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They should get pepsi instead of coca cola for marketing

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But you know

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Getting an alcohol company....

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Not quite child friendly

weak bolt
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but Coke Zero Energy, it made Hex so energised...

upper niche
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It tastes sooooo foul

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We had Coke Energy in Australia last year, it didn't last long.

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A lot of companies often use Australia as a test market for products, so we get stuff before it's seen in the US.

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A lot of the Coke flavours are like that, so it's always weird traveling to the US and they have Coke flavours that we had years ago.

weak bolt
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NoSmite gone too

plush light
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Benbest was just really good this year

weak bolt
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His winston is still dodgy, but I guess they have a plan for that

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Muma to Paris as a winston 1 trick 😄

plush light
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Benbest = budget super

quartz cairn
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does anyone have the symm skin yet

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i wanna know if the iste works

tawdry hamlet
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this contenders shit looking fire

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and nope

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but the game is good

quartz cairn
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alrighty

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ill probs check after these games

tawdry hamlet
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Damn good shit

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Runaway getting clapped kind of

ancient tartan
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hello gys

quartz cairn
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hi

tropic herald
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Not entirely credible but massive if true

limber pine
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london staying full korean would fly in the face of everything we've heard so far

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KDG to NYXL is such an obvious conclusion that it's not even really a leak

weak bolt
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I think the london bit is bad, but the rest seems accurate

next mesa
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if bdosin leaving, just sign jehong

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easy

raw ermine
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^

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So the first new player signing in shy for the HZS

true hound
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yes

next mesa
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im glad they are staying

plush light
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But tobi left. Why would they sign jehong if they drop tobi? It would make no sense

raw ermine
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tobi and jehong to dallas

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and miro

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and zunba

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and whoru

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and

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XEPHER

limber pine
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lul

next mesa
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ew no

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not to dallas

raw ermine
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xepher on dps

next mesa
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@plush light tobi not left yet

limber pine
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his 2021 option was declined

next mesa
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yeah

limber pine
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so technically he's a free agent barring an update

next mesa
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doesn't mean he is leaving though

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we'll see

limber pine
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It means that without an update he's gone

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he'll have to be re-signed

next mesa
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urd

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yes

limber pine
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Seoul has their pick of supports really

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simply by being seoul

next mesa
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mmmm

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seoul will always be an attractive team being the korean representative

limber pine
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yup

quartz cairn
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are u guys watching

limber pine
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WGS/Runaway is a turning out to be a great match

quartz cairn
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contenders

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orerjfowjojogjorgt

limber pine
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yeah

quartz cairn
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reverse sweep

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!

limber pine
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I think it was 2-1 at one point

wintry kraken
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free contenders watch time donated by korean guys

limber pine
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but yeah both teams have looked great and terrible this match

next mesa
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it was 3-1 yeah

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its 3-3 now?

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they put mag back in and lost on eichenwald?

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tragic

raw ermine
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is this a pause or a mid-match meeting

limber pine
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between maps

next mesa
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probably a break

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yeah

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map 7 damn

limber pine
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KR doesn't do "halftime" like NA and EU

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AFAIK

raw ermine
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map 7 damnnn

next mesa
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which I think is pretty good

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this is contenders season 2?

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what patch are they playing in

limber pine
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OWL finals patch AFAIK

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Roadhog patch

next mesa
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yeah thought so

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fancy seeing echo

limber pine
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Valentine's been really good despite not having the Mercy pocket

next mesa
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wow

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both snipers are popping

raw ermine
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genji and ana

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poggers

wintry kraken
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casters cursed this map; they say they can't draw. Draw is technically possible

next mesa
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they need to get this hanzo off highground

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genji now

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reaper now??

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weirdass

slow kraken
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I’d prefer contracts to be more beneficial to players rather than teams

limber pine
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okay

next mesa
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this revenge guy

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looks really good

haughty niche
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gaebullsi so good

next mesa
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tragic

raw ermine
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Revenge was in OWL

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but never got played

valid pawn
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I brought a huge ass bear today

raw ermine
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rip

valid pawn
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So happy

next mesa
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yeah his name was really familiar

limber pine
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he was on Spark's bench

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behind Bebe

next mesa
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they have no ults

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this is really bad

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for runaway

quartz cairn
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i wantwgs to win jgitgjowrjgti

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the comeback

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welp this is gg

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lmao rip revenge

next mesa
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gg yea

viral veldt
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Gg

quartz cairn
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the brig

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damn

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gg

next mesa
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gg

limber pine
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brig wins the game

raw ermine
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gg

next mesa
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of course dude

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it's brig

true hound
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gg

raw ermine
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cucked by brig

dry mesa
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wow

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that was really entertaining

raw ermine
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runaway 2nd again

wintry kraken
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did runaway hired nyxl players ?

quartz cairn
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dang

next mesa
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that's just tragic

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runaway

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3 times 2nd place

wintry kraken
#

@next mesa it is the pink i bet

quartz cairn
#

change the jerseys

next mesa
#

no pink is nice

#

their jersey is iconic

dry mesa
#

no pink is nice

balmy wolf
#

Lol whats a dps diff

wintry kraken
#

but what if pink is causing them to lose

dry mesa
#

its a color

#

it doesnt have that power

balmy wolf
#

F4ze stonks going down

#

This is why double ot players doesnt work

dry mesa
#

i'll never financially recover from this

next mesa
#

so

#

they are all going to owl

#

yes

balmy wolf
#

I only see mag and merit going to the league

#

Wgs is hot rn

dry mesa
#

time to all spit into the covid microphone

next mesa
#

valentine

quartz cairn
#

guy has a mask

#

poggers

limber pine
#

aztac and im37 already on loan from BU

next mesa
#

is that guy going

limber pine
#

and Lori is on Boston

balmy wolf
#

I dont understand why assassin is on hitscan duty

#

Hes projectile put him on echo at least

#

But yea shame for mag not picking not hog early on

#

Once f4ze is in their stuck with hog for the rest of the match

dry mesa
#

not picking hog wins games sometimes lul

balmy wolf
#

Actually i messed up

#

Mag should've been on ball and wooyhal on hog

#

Cant have double OT players at once

tight hill
#

Did souel get rid of Tobi, Toyou, and Bidotin

#

I can’t spell his name for the life of me

raw ermine
#

They decline the options for all 3

#

which either means the players/org didn't want the player to return

tight hill
#

Ok

raw ermine
#

or they did, but the player wanted a different contract

tight hill
#

I don’t get that if it’s from the orgs prospective they where our most consistent player

#

S

#

But creative and resign slime and maybe you make it up

#

But we still need an off tank

limber pine
#

Grab Kalios, Whoohal, GBS or F4ze from contenders

#

or buy Bernar or Hanbin

tight hill
#

I was about to say hanbin lol

#

I saware we can’t get out of our own way

limber pine
#

or Meko, Hotba, Fury, or JJanu

#

free agent off-tank is stacked

tight hill
#

Yeah

limber pine
#

oops said hotba twice lol

tight hill
#

Fury whould be a good option considering gesture and profit

#

We getting the band back together

limber pine
#

Fury would be nice, but it's possible Philly will do everything they can to re-sign him

tight hill
#

Yeah he is one of those big time talents

raw ermine
#

NYXL need a solid off tank

#

like one of those contenders boiz

weak bolt
#

Got to be Mek0 back to NYXL if they want a big signing, or Fury. Looks like Hanbin is off the cards

solar bison
#

Was shy any good in contenders?

limber pine
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

I know he was on the 2018 world cup team that did really well

solar bison
#

For china?

#

Or SK

next mesa
#

why did they release fielder

#

fielder was really fricking good

#

???

weak bolt
#

Probably going full western

next mesa
#

There's like 0 good western flex supports

#

ok so like

#

that means

#

hanbin sparkle xzi

#

all leaving as well

weak bolt
#

Dallas

#

with Rush

#

All according to rumours anyway

hidden vault
#

why cause dallas pays more

#

?

#

and I don't get why anyone don't want to get the other half of EM

#

only Hanbin Sprakle Doha and Xzi

tight hill
#

Where did hanbin go

hidden vault
#

imagine if dallas did that

#

phew make or break for dallas

next mesa
#

sparkle and doha though 👀

#

it's hackfist time

hidden vault
#

that leak directly contradicts lodon going western

#

and only french is left in paris lol

#

again

limber pine
#

minus soon

#

!!owl2021

young fractalBOT
limber pine
#

they have until Nov 13th to exercise his option

hot heart
#

Imagine if paris built around Hambin Xzi Sp9rk1e And fielder

#

I still dont understand dropping fielder

#

It makes 0 sense

keen aurora
#

fielder and nosmite are released

vagrant jacinth
#

Damn bro fielder gone??

keen aurora
#

but shy from there academy team is there

red anvil
#

Fielder technically didnt get released

#

he were only on one year contract

keen aurora
#

Paris Eternal announce the release of Support 'Fielder' and Tank 'Nosmite':

#

oh ok

red anvil
#

@limber pine that's technically wrong language to use

keen aurora
#

dont ping admins

#

they have other stuff to do

vagrant jacinth
#

Fielder will get picked up

red anvil
#

Ive spoken enough with that guy to know lol

vagrant jacinth
#

Profit and gesture being re-signed though PogChimp

keen aurora
#

oh ok

#

i think all teams dont know who to pick as support so they asked everyone except london

red anvil
#

Profit and Gesture didn't get re-signed i think, they were sitll on their +1

keen aurora
#

carpe is still with phili for like 2 more years

red anvil
#

uh 1+1 more year

#

second year is a team option

vagrant jacinth
#

Yeah^

#

Any one know anything about shy?

red anvil
#

he's probably the best chinese DPS player

#

its a pickup many have waited for

vagrant jacinth
#

Haha why have they put the support icon in announcements

red anvil
#

he technically played flex support for a lil while lol

vagrant jacinth
#

That's cool he came from the academy team though

#

I like spark so I'm hype

red anvil
#

he's been there since he was 16 or so

#

after he was at the chinese world cup team

keen aurora
#

rilly?

#

oh ye

limber pine
#

what is technically the wrong language? @red anvil

red anvil
#

Using the word released

limber pine
#

where?

red anvil
limber pine
#

departure?

red anvil
#

Wait I'm an idiot that's not you

limber pine
#

lul

red anvil
#

Departure is a way better term yes

hidden vault
#

soon isn't staying in paris?

red anvil
#

Neither confirmed yet

limber pine
#

^

#

PAR has until the 13th to pick up his option

#

if not, he's a free agent to either re-sign or get signed to another team

keen aurora
#

everyone would hate nyxl if they release sbb or jjonak or anamo

red anvil
#

All 3 is gone stay for at least one more season

keen aurora
#

rip

red anvil
#

Unless they go for some bug trade but unlikely as heck

keen aurora
#

london released everyone?????

#

decay would prob go to nyxl

#

to fill haksal

hidden vault
#

nyxl doesn't need another hitscan lul

raw ermine
#

they only have sbb...

red anvil
#

Happy might go nyxl

keen aurora
#

oh ye

#

peeps were excited with whoru joining

#

but now he got replaced by haksal

#

oof smex from paris is released

next mesa
#

a few people said

#

they saw paris resigning xzi on twitter, but then the post got deleted?

limber pine
#

wasn't that Xzi memeing?

#

plus we already know PAR picked up his option

hidden vault
#

then that dallas EM news is probably fake

red anvil
#

He could be memeing either way, also that dallas rumor I've seen from 3 different places now so it seems very legit

hidden vault
#

dallas has to pay paris a huge sum then

#

considering they released all the players except doha

tropic herald
#

Well Dallas also has a lot of money and this move looks like the: Empire just won a title for Envy how come Fuel hasn’t

hidden vault
#

empire?

#

is that some other envy own game team?

tropic herald
#

CDL

hidden vault
#

Dallas Empire?

#

do they share the same stadium lol

worn falcon
#

Damn releasing Fielder, their solid support. I guess 200 ping and being too far was too much :(

hot heart
#

Damn

next mesa
#

Slime

#

to justice

raw ermine
#

ooh

next mesa
#

match made in heaven

#

okay

#

please

hot heart
#

Aimgod Slime

#

Doesn't slime have an amazing bap?

#

Or am i thinking of someone else

next mesa
#

I don't think we have ever seen him on bap

#

like first of all he never plays and tobi plays bap on dynasty so

hot heart
#

I meant from like last year

#

Idk

#

Probably thinking of someone else

#

From All the FA's rn

#

You could make an incredible squad

#

Mag Fissure MekO Bianca Jjanu

#

So many amazing OT's rn

#

Couldn't go wrong with any of them

#

Some juice this week maybe

#

If i see more eyes on my tl though im gonna cry

next mesa
#

bruh literally all eyes

#

it's like damn stop blueballing

#

me

hot heart
#

Depending on who dallas pick up first

#

That will set my expectations for them

#

If they pick up some average talent

#

Ill expext average talent across the board

#

If they pick up a superstar

#

Ill expect a star studded roster

hidden vault
#

seriously justice could pick up ex runaway

#

pick up slime

keen aurora
#

eqo is free

next mesa
#

illicit is kinda doodoo

#

but then again when you're fighting against profit 😬

red anvil
#

He probably didnt get nearly enough scrimtime to show his level

#

people are harsh against him but like, Seoul was planning to running ProFits always

next mesa
#

ProFits dude

#

godly duo

hidden vault
#

nahh give profit a better partner

#

and why kick bdosin?

worn falcon
#

Give profit fielder

plucky viper
#

On the assumption that Paris doesn't go crazy and go full western, who do people think they could pick up to replace fielder?

vagrant jacinth
#

Woah widow health nerf

#

Mccree gone chunky

raw ermine
#

yeah

#

fan the cree

#

but sym buff is good

#

and widow nerf

#

brig is decent

#

idk if she needed that

#

but hanzo can still one shot

next mesa
#

wym give profit a better partner

limber pine
#

Fits definitely not the problem in the playoffs

#

well, his widow anyway

raw ermine
#

it was how good sfs was

raw helm
#

Anyone know why haksal retired?

limber pine
#

I think he's burned out

#

some posts about how he might try LoL

raw ermine
#

He was playing it on stream

quartz cairn
#

does anyone have the OWC Symm skin?

#

I checked my acc after watching (im pretty sure) 7 hours

#

ill wait till next week i guess to try again but if i dont get anything after the first game i just dont get anything

#

so idk what to do ._.

#

kinda wnated the skins but ig blizz cba to make their site work

echo quest
weak bolt
#

Was sites does that take into account?

echo quest
#

All sites that show OWL other than CN streaming services because they don’t have public numbers

weak bolt
#

So discounting a large amount of audience when games are in APAC times for a change 😄

stuck radish
#

atlanta just released like half their roster

#

wtf

raw ermine
#

as we expected

limber pine
#

We knew based on the contract article that they would

grizzled mango
#

Officially release?

limber pine
#

it's just offical now

weak bolt
#

half a roster is quite good for teams this year, lots ditched nearly all of it 😄

limber pine
#

!!owl2021

young fractalBOT
next mesa
#

bruh

#

ATL just dropped like the whole thing

#

@echo quest yeah it's dead now

#

in na

echo quest
#

Erster and Pokpo shouldn’t have a problem

limber pine
#

it's not dead in NA

echo quest
#

Finding a new team

limber pine
#

remember the start time was like 6 AM in NA

next mesa
#

APAC carrying

#

it was 9am for me

#

and like EU too

#

it was okay time for EU right

#

honestly im not sure

limber pine
#

like mid-day

echo quest
#

Hopefully OW2 increases the popularity

shadow condor
#

is there live streaming on the contenders website? I'm still looking for the place to get symm and mercy skins

echo quest
#

Of OW in the west

limber pine
#

ATL still has a starting 6, so hopefully they can build around that

grizzled mango
#

The whole not getting views discussion is kinda complex... change in time means less live view and more vod views. Also makes it hard to guage it since youtube did sht job. The question is how are sponsor deals coming along

#

Atl release makes sense given how their year went

echo quest
#

Erster went from a MVP caliber player to looking meh

#

What a drop off

#

ATL tings ig

limber pine
#

ATL seems intent to relegate him to the bench

#

for some reason

grizzled mango
#

Apparently he had been underperforming in scrims. My guess is burnouts

#

Although i think coaches are partially responsible for that

weak bolt
#

His hero pool is kinda weird too honestly

next mesa
#

so they sticking with lr1s

grizzled mango
#

I guess lris didnt impress me too much but maybe with more time

next mesa
#

well

#

they really had to change dogman

#

yeah give more time maybe

weak bolt
#

Funny thing is Dogman is probably still the best western FS out there too

karmic grotto
#

Jesus

#

Christ

#

NOOOO

#

Atlanta

#

Why :(

plush grail
#

i mean

digital cloud
#

Coaches dumb

karmic grotto
#

It was, inevitable

#

Yeah

#

Or not, I don't know

plush grail
#

im pretty sure the only teams that arent being axed rn are

karmic grotto
#

Maybe they want change

plush grail
#

dragons and the shock

karmic grotto
#

They already gave them 2 year contract

#

Masaa is strong af

#

Seems like they have 1ris

#

But nothing concrete yet

#

Dogman himself wanted to be free agent

plush grail
grizzled mango
#

Toronto make playoff... I will believe it when I see it

raw ermine
#

getting KDG hmm

#

not a bad start

karmic grotto
#

But who will be the players?

#

Also

#

Defiant must be active and visible

#

When owl was played

#

I forget they were even there

#

That's how forgettable they were

next mesa
#

bruh logix

#

like

#

so he even that good

#

idk man

#

deadass I would put shockwave above him

weak bolt
#

so KDG rumoured to TD and NYXL so far lol.

tropic herald
#

The TD one only said he was being trialed though

iron crater
#

Is ta1yo still on the shock?

digital cloud
#

yes

raw ermine
#

So...

#

the halo has a thought

weak bolt
#

Looking pretty innevitable now

#

3 seperate leaks suggesting it

grizzled mango
#

Halo leaks 🧐

slow kraken
#

How good is logix in that post above

#

They said “they saved logix, well because he’s logix”
What does that mean

earnest leaf
#

logix is good at video game

next mesa
#

Yeah but like he's honestly mediocre hitscan

#

Maybe even on the bottom tier

#

Like compared to the rest of the league

weak bolt
#

Interesting if Hanbin is going but Xzi isnt

grizzled mango
#

I dont see a point of selling only half the korean players

#

@next mesa logix isnt bottom tier by any means i say hes actually above average

next mesa
#

Idk man I don't put him above like fits ans bqb carpe heesu jerry decay edison happy striker sbb xzi birdring lip diem fleta ksp

raw ermine
#

I'd put him above jerry and sbb

digital cloud
#

yeah, saybeolbe has not had any showings lately pretty much

#

and jerry is a bit overrated

#

the rest I think are pretty solidly above him

#

never really realized how stacked hitscan is in OWL

#

dang

#

well, striker is mostly only tracer, so maybe not him

earnest leaf
#

It's one of the hardest roles to be noticable in

digital cloud
#

of all those listed other than Jerry and sbb, I think Edison was the least noticeable because of Atlanta sucking

weak bolt
#

It's hard to know how good Logix actually is, as he's always on garbage teams

next mesa
#

Even like I'd put shockwave above him

#

He's been popping off pretty consistently on a bad team

#

Yeah jerry is debatable

#

Yeah it's true logix on shit team prob played a factor

balmy wolf
#

The thank logix meme didnt became a thing to poke fun at him

#

He just carried so hard

#

Being on S1 flordia and toronto didnt help either.

vagrant jacinth
raw ermine
#

signing jay3

vagrant jacinth
tropic herald
bronze scroll
#

Guess washington is really going to miss him. They did 2 posts about his release in 60 seconds.

limber pine
#

aye

high basalt
#

again?

bronze scroll
#

Yeah

karmic grotto
#

New main tank for justice boys

next mesa
#

This time without sinatraa GWpinkuSadOtato

bronze scroll
#

i mean, new alot for justice

balmy wolf
#

wonder if decay is gonna move or stay with justice

bronze scroll
#

they declined the options on 4 of their 7 players

next mesa
#

I see no reason for decay to leave

#

idk

#

justice got some potential

balmy wolf
#

declining doesnt mean much

next mesa
#

yeah

bronze scroll
#

fair

#

they could give them new contracts

balmy wolf
#

thats the idea since its a decent core

bronze scroll
#

yeah. I still have to get used to the idea that because the league didnt do to well this year the contracts of most players are way to high for the state of the league. So thats why so many people had their options declined.

tropic herald
#

I know he is trolling but a man can dream

balmy wolf
#

i mean dallas getting some of the em players would be huge

next mesa
#

also like

#

no xzi but hanbin?

#

kinda weird bro

#

just get that two for one

balmy wolf
#

who knows

#

but now dallas is not burden with 3 yrs contracts they can flex their bucks to players

next mesa
#

true dude

#

and I would assume like

balmy wolf
#

oh and they traded a player from cod for half a million

next mesa
#

releasing everyone except doha

#

just makes a statement

#

we going full korean baby

#

wait wym

balmy wolf
#

they have cash from a trade they made in COD

#

the trade was nearly half a million

#

envy as an org won the cod league recently

#

so they got cash on hand

next mesa
#

ohh

raw ermine
#

yeah

#

They are also co-owned by a dude in the dallas energy sector

#

so probably alotta oil $$$

upper niche
#

A lot of the people who own OWL teams them owning a team is just a hobby in the same way you might build RC cars or go Mountain Biking.

#

Instead of just buying a ticket to the show, they just buy the participants of the show.

tawdry hamlet
#

lol rip roar

karmic grotto
#

@upper niche honestly

#

I would have done the same

#

If I was rich

#

I buy a spot

#

Get some players

#

Coaches

#

And enjoy the show

upper niche
#

It's no different with rich people who buy Basketball/Baseball teams, NASCAR/Indycar/Formula 2/3 teams. Now dance.

umbral zodiac
#

it's a hobby with money making potential

#

expecting a profit is a pipe dream

tidal ridge
#

dallas fuel vs toronto defiant when?

obtuse socket
#

I don’t understand how any team that buys a spot would make a meaningful profit.

20mil or whatever for just the spot and assume 1mil in expenses a year. The BEST I can imagine a sponsorship could do is maybe a couple mil but that would hardly make up for it over a couple of years. (Prize money is for sure not going to cover shit lmao)

#

Sure they have merch too but let’s be honest how many people actually buy it?

true hound
#

not to mention they lost a fuck ton of money over the loss of home stands I assume

obtuse socket
#

Ye for sure

hidden vault
#

The leakes stated EM 2018-2019

#

Anyone rmb-ed the tanks and support?

#

Unique undine Alpha takoyaki?

balmy wolf
#

mcd was one of them

hidden vault
#

Was mcd support?

balmy wolf
#

yes

#

flex support to be specific

ember quartz
#

Was buying gear and I found this site.

#

Anybody here know whether or not it's up to date?

#

Seems the most popular are Logitech G combos.

#

But it may be preference to buy everything under one brand.

tawdry hamlet
#

Afaik the g pro wireless is the most popular with the razer and finalmouse being up there as well in terms of popularity

umbral zodiac
#

I think a brand new iteration of the GPW is about to come out, since Logitech is pushing brand new colors for the old one

ember quartz
#

Yeah I like Logitech wireless mice the most.

#

Cable just doesn't seem as comfy.

#

What I'm still looking for to this day are good video settings 'cause I refuse to believe Overwatch visibility is just this bad.

#

Maybe I have some settings that affect lighting in a weird way?

#

I wish they'd let you play with UI and weapon viewmodel 'cause some weapons are just taking up half the screen.

umbral zodiac
#

I've played around with the settings a lot, and even at the worst it still blinds you

#

you just have to get used to it, I guess

echo quest
#

Im not sure why the viewership on Yt is so shit

#

For league

#

YT viewership

#

Is equal to twitch’s

sullen berry
#

It's been a problem more of their marketing and discoverability on YouTube, it's still very new hosting and making good matches searchable by name

#

That's why May melee or Countdown Cup will have more views, put a name and a storyline to it and now the games have a lot more significance

#

Regular season games would have moments thag were either completely one sided or very hard to watch in NA

#

while the same teams would have to repeat matches against each other in Asia

#

And YouTube isn't well supported in Asia, at least when the viewership on say Bilibili gets millions due to better localization

weak bolt
#

YT is really bad at promoting live streams. If they can improve that, it’d help a ton

cobalt spoke
#

Thoughts?

weak bolt
#

Super has too much integrity for that

#

He’d rather retire than join fuel

karmic grotto
ember quartz
#

I actually did not know OWL was a thing for years though I just recently started playing again after I stopped at about Season 4.

#

Hype is usually what sells tournaments and such.

upper niche
#

Thoughts?
@cobalt spoke Thoughts: Don't do shit like this, it's stupid.

cobalt spoke
#

What

karmic grotto
#

That's it. I'm going to copy this pepe

vagrant jacinth
#

Lmao

#

Dallas bout to get more fans

balmy wolf
#

guess paris really is going full western it seems

plush light
#

Yes! Roar is gone

tawdry hamlet
vagrant jacinth
#

Dallas about to fuck?

balmy wolf
#

who knows

#

getting the core of EM is a good start

plush light
#

Dallas management fucks their teams, no matter how good the players

tropic herald
#

Also turn on dallas notifs for today

#

Yeah I think it’s happening

hot heart
#

Dallas

#

They're done playing

#

Drop some crazy amount of cash that literally no one would refuse

forest raven
#

Dallas boutta have a good team after four years pog

plush grail
#

wow justice dropped roar

#

so unexpected

karmic grotto
#

SHOCKING

weak bolt
#

Paris vs London going to become the new toilet bowl for s4

vagrant jacinth
#

Let's goooo

balmy wolf
#

when does s4 start?

#

like, how long is the off-season?\

weak bolt
#

April is current date for start I believe

vagrant jacinth
#

Yeah I think so

limber pine
#

There is no official start date for 2021 yet