then there's no point in keeping geguri either then
#esports-discussion
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weak bolt
I agree, Geguri should be gone too. Only reason she'd stay would be for the PR spin
Same way as Philly has Chipsa
tropic herald
She is a good off tank but considering Shanghai’s caliber
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they should sign a backup for void
weak bolt
Bernar would be a decent call but I suspect he proved himself enough this season to earn a starting spot somewhere
tropic herald
You would play someone over void if you develop a new talent to be better than him
Kinda same story as Pelican to Fleta
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I just think it's unlikely
weak bolt
Question is also does DDing want to sit on the bench for another year
tropic herald
Who’s this new LIP guy from T3? Some random hitscan? I sure don’t think Shanghai develops him into a superstar dps player
weak bolt
Dding may want to try join a team he can start on. If so, he'll not want to stay with SHD
tropic herald
Bc they wanted flexibility
weak bolt
Probably as he could flex Ashe/Hanzo/Sombra
karmic grotto
Some of you are committing wrong think
next mesa
It was clear that it was hanzo tho
karmic grotto
tropic herald
They did stay Hanzo
Yes
Which maps were they again
That could tell a story as well
weak bolt
Im curious to see what happens with Paris. If rumours are true that Xzi and Hanbin are leaving, that's big
next mesa
Why would they leave though
tropic herald
I wonder where they go
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They just got sparkle
weak bolt
NYXL?
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Xzi would be an upgrade over nenne
tropic herald
Paris is an alright team and it’s clear that Hanbin and Xzi are the upper end of players on that team
weak bolt
Both instantly start on NYXL roster
tropic herald
So that’s probably one reason
karmic grotto
hanbin and xzi possibly not in Paris anymore, unless some other team buys them + the head coach
next mesa
Although I do entertain the idea of pine on nyxl again
Either way nenne not cutting it
tropic herald
NYXL getting Hanbin and Xzi would be massive
next mesa
Nyxl always manage to fuck their talent
tropic herald
But NY needs to make a decision this year
They need to play aggro
Or passive
Not both
weak bolt
Controversial, but you drop Jjonak
tropic herald
And please stop omega pocketing Jjonak
It makes Mano look like he’s feeding
Bc no resources go to your Main Tank
tropic herald
That’s not how the game works anymore
weak bolt
Mega pocket Jjonak doesn't work any more, league has evolved well beyond that
tropic herald
Teams are better than that
next mesa
They should focus on haksal
weak bolt
Nyxl signs Hanbin, Xzi, Myunbong, Slime. Then you run Mano, Hanbin, Haskal, Xzi, Slime and Myunbong. Lets go
tropic herald
That’s expensive
tropic herald
But it’s a good roster
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It's not happening
tropic herald
Realistically no way
weak bolt
Myunbong is available as Boston will always sell
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4 blockbuster trades
weak bolt
Xzi/Hanbin already rumoured to go somewhere
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Nah
tropic herald
Sell Jjonak for big stacks
weak bolt
NYXL is funded by Andbox, I'm sure they'd make the cash
next mesa
Not after signing haksal
tropic herald
Houston Jjonak
weak bolt
Hotba, Bianca, Nenna and Libero likely bring you in enough funds to cover 2 big transfers
next mesa
I think they need to decide on bianca or hotba
tropic herald
Or sign Hanbin
weak bolt
Bianca likely has the potential, I don't think Hotba is enough to win anything long term
A lot of trades may also come down to which players want to stay in Korea
tropic herald
Yeah Hotba seems to be past his days
weak bolt
If NYXL is going back to NA like reported, that could be a big influence on some
next mesa
They don't get worse
tropic herald
Jjonak to Seoul
karmic grotto
Every day a new team announces changes
tropic herald
Moth to NY 
weak bolt
You keep Jjonak as a backup, as he sells jerseys, but you bring in a flex support to start over him
Or wheel him out as a Zen 1 trick
cobalt spoke
I think he will stay on shock, shock gives him like 150k
weak bolt
Moth isn't leaving Shock unless some team offers him 3x what Shock ever will
weak bolt
I'm sure most would go for Moth if he was easily obtainable. But you'd likely struggle vs Shock
Even just being on the bench/scrims he'd likely add value to any team
cobalt spoke
Half of the teams dont even want NA players
How.mamy teams have full korean/chinese rosters?
tropic herald
Chengdu, Shanghai, Hangzhou, Seoul, Florida, uhhhhh
Those are full APAC
There’s some with majority Korean too
cobalt spoke
Washington
weak bolt
Nyxl, Washington
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Nyxl
tropic herald
Like Shock, Guangzhou
karmic grotto
I wonder what Justice will do
weak bolt
London too
karmic grotto
they must speak!
tropic herald
Drop Roar
cobalt spoke
Does Guangzhou have na players?
weak bolt
Guangzhou have Nero/Neptuno, but they kind of dropped mid season
tropic herald
Guangzhou has Nero and Neptuno
cobalt spoke
So thers 8 teams who wouldnt even think about signing moth to begin with
tropic herald
Well
Moth plays on a team with 5 Koreans most of the time
So uhhh
He probably is pretty good at the Korean thing
cobalt spoke
Yea
weak bolt
Shock still generally comm in English though I think. But yeah his Korean is likely better than most NA players
cobalt spoke
No hes not
cobalt spoke
Shock comms in english
indigo heath
im shock
tropic herald
Shock comming in English is so dumb
I understand they can all speak English
But there’s three players on that team that don’t have Korean as their first language
weak bolt
Super/Moth are large parts of their comms, so it's to be expected. Remember all of S2 had Sinatraa too
cobalt spoke
how many of the remaining 11 teams have main support issues?
weak bolt
Probably 11 😄
tropic herald
11
cobalt spoke
Really?
weak bolt
Atl, Boston, Fuel, Houston, Gladiators, LAV, Paris, Defiant, Justice, Titans. Moth = Instant starter
cobalt spoke
Paris has fdgod
weak bolt
Philly is probably one of the only non Korean teams that he'd not instantly start on
weak bolt
FDGod is great at lucio, but his Mercy/Brig have looked bad. But yeah not guaranteed Moth would start I guess
cobalt spoke
Well moth wouldnt trade to that team because shock wants him more
weak bolt
Yeah Moth isn't going anywhere
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Shock was comming in korean during summer showdown
weak bolt
There is literally nobody Shock would replace him with
tropic herald
Unless another team wants Moth more
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It's one of the main reasons why twilight was in instead of moth on brig
cobalt spoke
No its not
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It was
tropic herald
Twilight brig was better for the meta
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Crusty said it
cobalt spoke
Its because they needed to swap between nap brig and bap zen, but that was another part
weak bolt
That was a weird meta for sure. It kind of suited double flex-supp more
tropic herald
But it did
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Zen was only played like for a week
cobalt spoke
??
weak bolt
In game comms were in Korea, but scrims/team meetings will ahve been english still
cobalt spoke
It did
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During the ban
tropic herald
Long maps had zen over brig
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In summer showdown?
tropic herald
Yes
cobalt spoke
Yes
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Don't remember zen
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Wait
weak bolt
Zen was played as they went Ashe/Tracer instead of Genji for some of it
tropic herald
Yeah orb tracer OP
Comming in korean is so much better too
The way grammar works so good for fallouts
Call
weak bolt
I just want Fuel/Houston signings already. Watching their fans get super hyped is always fun
next mesa
Okay yeah I don't see any zen
But I'm only looking at paris vs shock
They didn't play havana
cobalt spoke
That just proves even more that moth doesnt speak korean
cobalt spoke
So he cant go to a korean team
pseudo canyon
Can someone link me the OW Contenders schedule so I know when to watch?
next mesa
who did they play before eternal
I dont see any zen
oh against boston
they went super genji viol2t brig twilight zen
hot heart
I wanna see twighlights zen again
weak bolt
Playing twilight gave them the chance to also play Zen, even if they didnt play lots.
hot heart
So wheres xzi going
hot heart
If he actually goes to shock i think that would make some sense
hot heart
ANS might need breaks
weak bolt
My bets on Nyxl, but we'll have to see
cobalt spoke
Ans is fine
weak bolt
Shock don't need Xzi
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idk
hot heart
Mental breaks i mean
cobalt spoke
Choi plays almost every map for shock
weak bolt
ANS/Striker can cover hitscans more than enough that it'd be wasting Xzi
cobalt spoke
True
weak bolt
Where as teams like nyxl could really do with a great hitscan player
hot heart
Ye
cobalt spoke
Shock already has 4 dps players
next mesa
no nyxl is saving space for pine return
valid oxide
Wait, so contenders isn't gonna be back until July of 2021?
weak bolt
Contenders is still on going till end of Nov I think
worn falcon
LOL
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next mesa
dont break up my boys
weak bolt
Ta1yo was signed to be a future talent on Shock. Give him 6 months of Crusty coaching and see how he goes
cobalt spoke
True
valid oxide
So when's the next contenders game? I don't see anything on the schedule
cobalt spoke
Dps players playing zarya is kinda scary
Look at decay or sinatraa
If ta1yo can do some of that?
👍
quartz cairn
can contenders be watched on mobile?
weak bolt
DPS players who can track super well play Zarya good yeah. But then when they have ot play Dva/Hog/Sigma? uh oh
quartz cairn
thru the OWL app
cobalt spoke
Heres the thing
Super can play hog
And choi has the overall highest teamfight winrate on sigma
weak bolt
Looks like have to watch on the Contenders homepage
quartz cairn
can contenders be watched on mobile?
thru the OWL app
weak bolt
Shock don't need any players unless any of the current roster want to move on. They're more likely to sign some T2 players with potential
quartz cairn
for tokens
weak bolt
Contenders website for tokens, not the app
quartz cairn
so just the normal OWL website
weak bolt
No, the contenders one. http://overwatchcontenders.com/
next mesa
is ta1yo tracking though
would striker zarya work better
either way they have choi?? so its ok
cobalt spoke
Ehh
weak bolt
Zarya is a weakness on Shock, but I wouldn't put it past them to have someone grind it in off season
cobalt spoke
Choi zarya is just ok
vagrant jacinth
Yo that's p sweet, I was interested in watching contenders anyways
weak bolt
No point signing a player for 1 off tank. Can just have a player or 2 grind Zarya to a capable level
cobalt spoke
It is
But its not at god level
And thats shocks standard at this point
Also even tho I said choi plays alot
Choi needs a break
cobalt spoke
2 they said
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no more like mix
cobalt spoke
No new main tank?
next mesa
They don't like
off tank main tank
for some reason
like they made ball and sigma
they were sort of in the mix
cobalt spoke
Ball ended up neing best on main tank
And sigma ended up being cancer by being a inbetween
next mesa
yeah but I dont think they really predicted that
like they're trying to not make a tank that's like "yeah that's def a main tank" or something
idk
hazy ruin
but i think they shouldnt have made the profile to everyone, i think before, only pro players that were in contenders could get that
weak bolt
Sigma was a good hero, it just combined too well with other shield heroes
hazy ruin
ya rein sig still works
cobalt spoke
Yea
hazy ruin
almost as good as rein zarya
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sig anything works
hazy ruin
not really
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shut
silk frost
He was poorly designed to be a main tank
cobalt spoke
An off tank with 1500 hp on his sheild is not balanced
hazy ruin
see idk why orisa, a main tank has less shield than sig, an off
weak bolt
He'd have worked well as a main tank, if MT/OT roles were properly split
hazy ruin
at this point the devs should know community says sig is off tank and orisa is main
weak bolt
But when you could role out with 2 main tanks with Sigma being nearly an OT as wlel, it was too much
silk frost
He was designed to be a main tank but his barriee mandated constant dropping and replacing, and he has no way to engage
silk frost
Yeah
They shoulda made it so his shield didn't block damage until it stopped movint
Moving
cobalt spoke
Even sigma with a 900hp barrier wasnt balanced
silk frost
They could go to original sigma and REMOVE his barrier and he'd be balanced
silk frost
I said could
cobalt spoke
If they need to buff sigma just buff grasp a little bit
weak bolt
Honestly he was ok at launch on his own, it was the fact he could be comboed with Orisa for near constant shields & halt/rock combos
cobalt spoke
Yea
silk frost
Not really tbh
weak bolt
Sigma has his weaknesses, he literally can do nothing to you if you're anything over medium distance
silk frost
He was designed as a MT with a one shot, massive AoE damage from 22 meters, and DM on a cooldown
hot heart
Sigma answered the question of what if a single hero had every op ability possible
silk frost
With a flexible Rein shield
next mesa
he did quite a lot of damage
hot heart
Yeah
The rock primary combo fuckin sucked
You just got your cheeks clapped i you got hit by a rock
cobalt spoke
He was
cobalt spoke
Sigma was like a brig with the dominance over the game that you get from being a tank
hot heart
But if we're talking effect on the game
cobalt spoke
Sigma was more op
hot heart
Brig was the meta
cobalt spoke
Yea
silk frost
I mean after his rock was nerfed to have a set stun duration, his shield to 900, grasp to 12s, no more rock 1shots, and lower hypersphere damage, he was STILL sometimed chosen to OT for Winston
cobalt spoke
And even ball
silk frost
Yeah
Like Brig may have been busted but after receiving a similar number of nerfs she wasn't able to be played everywhere
I think she may have been overnerfed tbh
cobalt spoke
Nah
weak bolt
Brig was OP due to armour being OP too
cobalt spoke
Brig by the end of stage 3 was still good
And sigma is a fine off tank right now for brawl and double sheilds
silk frost
Sigma was played in 2 finals in a row
Brig was played in 1
Sigma has had a massive reign of dominance
weak bolt
Shield bash through shields was broken as fuck though lol
silk frost
Lmao of course
I wish more supports could do things through barriers
Only harmony and mercy beam (not the valk ones) go through shields
And armor packs
weak bolt
I think thats fair, Moira/Ana shouldnt be able to heal through shields
silk frost
I agree for Ana, but Moira maybe could only have her pee weakened when going through shields?
Because right now she's only viably paired with Brig and Lucio
cobalt spoke
And still decent if you want to run ball sigma
weak bolt
I kind of wonder whether OW2 will have a shift from 2-2-2 to maybe 1-2-2 with only 1 tank honestly. If they're ever going to change it, OW2 is the chance
vagrant jacinth
Pog
karmic grotto
heck yeah
weak bolt
yeah usually like a good chunk into next season
vagrant jacinth
Might rinse my remaining owl tokens tbh
weak bolt
Tend to get Championship skin first, then MVP one a bit later
vagrant jacinth
I wouldn't mind paying for more later
karmic grotto
I'm waiting until Zarya Contenders skin comes, but that will take time.... :(
weak bolt
Probably get some during the season break too. Signing up to newsletter, that kind of thing
karmic grotto
dawn vale
finally. t2 support
vagrant jacinth
I think matches start tomorrow 7am for me, if I converted the time properly
weak bolt
Some Korean contenders later today/tomorrow I think yeah
vagrant jacinth
Better late than never ig
karmic grotto
True
'm hoping some day they bring owl and contenders overlay
I would pay for it
hidden vault
danteh will juat be a Diya on outlaws
atomic smelt
whens the next contenders live
sick bough
is contenders on yt still or twitch
raw ermine
YT
eternal badge
Wait how do you get that Genji skin?
edgy tinsel
free
eternal badge
Do I just get it for logging in?
Or is there like a stream I have to watch like I did for the free tracer skins?
cedar coral
me when i hear the word fragi
eternal badge
Wait so I read the info about the contenders skin. Is there an app for it like the owl app to watch through? Or does it have to be through the site?
And does it have to be live content?
Like can I watch old streams for the skins? Cuz the only streams in oct is the 28-31 right?
tight hill
What’s up with London Spitfire blowing up thier whole team? There were some talented players they just needed a couple improvements
raw ermine
they wanted to go British/EU reportedly
karmic grotto
London wants to go Western
silk frost
poggu
sand violet
Glister is getting sold
theyre rebuilding to make money boston style lol
moving up their academy team is cheap af
and they can make money off of selling their good players
like glister
eternal badge
What do we have to watch for the sym and mercy skins?
sand violet
contenders
tight hill
Souel needs him back
eternal badge
Isn’t the next live stream like the end of the month?
tight hill
We needed a good hiscan
true hound
seoul has fits..?
next mesa
fits > ans
tight hill
The big thing for us is a proper off-tank
next mesa
you know what seoul needs though
tight hill
Maybe toyou
tight hill
And another gesture
tight hill
Fax
next mesa
everyone thought it was the weakest
tight hill
Profit underperformed at times this season notably being benched for illicit when echo came out
next mesa
out of the 4
hot heart
You literally cant be underrated
next mesa
@tight hill true
tight hill
Yeah
hot heart
I think profit could have a sick echo next week
plush grail
legit did not expect shock to drop anyone
hot heart
What??
plush grail
legit why would shock drop anyone rn
plush grail
they showed that this squad was able to win back to back championships
hot heart
Again
raw ermine
Probably he got a good offer from somewhere else
plush grail
why the FUCK would you leave the shock rn
hot heart
What offer
plush grail
unless you're getting a crazy offer
plush grail
idk shanghai already has good coaches right
hot heart
Maybe fusion but thats a bit of a stretch
next mesa
maybe he just twanted to go
hot heart
Maybe
plush grail
did dallas just go broke for a decent coach
next mesa
michael jordan wanted to quit
after his first ring
and he did after his third
like at one point you're like
ok I achieved everything
oh yeah also someone should sign eskay as streamer
ngl
hot heart
Ye
Maybe eskay could be a streamer for ATL
Or
Shock
Idk
I dont think shock have streamers at all
raw ermine
Teams might be scared off by the Violet controversy, but it would be pog to see eskay as a streamer
hot heart
Viol2t the player or Violet the streamer?
raw ermine
Streamer
hot heart
What happened?
raw ermine
Violet got dead named by Houston management which is a big no no and violet cut ties with them.
hot heart
Okay that's fucked
Hmm
Hopefully streamers dont get treated badly
Eskay should avoid houstan then
next mesa
wasn't violet the one at faul
t
Idk I didn't follow
anyway yeah eskay is fucking cool and also huge pr
weak bolt
Junkbuck must have been given an offer to head coach a team. Be curious to see how Crusty gets on next year without him, after losing NineK last year too
Guessing they keep Casores now though, after getting him for Playoffs
weak bolt
yeah they still have decent coaching team, especially if they can keep hold of Casores
Wondering whos paying for Junkbuck though, Houston or Fuel maybe?
hot heart
What about justice
They could use someone with experience on a top team like shock
And they definitely have some star players
weak bolt
Justice committed to Pre I think at end of last season when they went full Korean
hot heart
I just feel like they could potentially do it
weak bolt
Junkbuck is American but speaks Korean I think too, so would be very good for a mixed roster
weak bolt
Yeah, my bets on Fuel honestly
tropic herald
He would go good for Fuel
weak bolt
They're going to be willing to throw money at it, especially if they're committing hard to this season
According to reddit detectives, he recently started following Toronto's management teams. So guess he may be heading there too....
viral veldt
wasn't violet the one at faul
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Whatd violet do?
digital cloud
Houston no
silk frost
Danteh is washedtei
digital cloud
Him Meko and Jecse
weak bolt
Jecse has already been let go
earnest leaf
but if he was on shock and played sombra, people would argue him as a top 3 sombra
plush grail
wait is meko a FA too?
next mesa
@earnest leaf I think he is already in the conversation as top 3 sombra
plush grail
actual pog
weak bolt
Danteh to Shock would be amazing, but I think he'd basically be a sombra one trick as he wouldnt play over Striker on tracer
next mesa
after lip, fits, and heesu probably?
plush grail
meko can finally leave the shitshow that is the outlaws
next mesa
like he's in the conversation
karmic grotto
@weak bolt But Danteh was already in Shock in S1
next mesa
bruh they had sleepy as flex support
silk frost
Danteh was getting worse and worse throughout the year
earnest leaf
as was outlaws
karmic grotto
SlEePy 
next mesa
wym danteh was fucking
weak bolt
Hot take, but I'd take Danteh to Philly over Carpe
next mesa
yes
earnest leaf
Dps players can look mega bad if their team is aswell
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get that garbage take outta here
earnest leaf
especially when not on hard carry dps like widow
limber pine
Danteh has a weird hero pool
karmic grotto
Member when people thought ttuba was dogshit?
digital cloud
Over carpe? I agree but most people wouldn’t
silk frost
yeah but he wasn't getting the same EMP's, his aim was lower, and even when his WHOLE TEAM was improving to the point of 3-1ing FLORIDA I was still unimpressed
earnest leaf
tbf ttuba played poorly on everything but genji for a time
but then he became a chad
karmic grotto
Yeah
limber pine
ttuba is overrated
karmic grotto
He worked had
silk frost
Ttuba is solid
digital cloud
So is carpe
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after his genji epiphany he has been doing better
limber pine
Don’t @ me
karmic grotto
@ SpookyGuy
weak bolt
Ttuba turned up for playoffs, be interesting to see if he can carry it on
limber pine
karmic grotto
:(
weak bolt
Danteh to Toronto could be decent too. Danteh/Logix/Agilities DPS line
karmic grotto
Bring Poko as well
plush grail
nah
pretty sure glads cant pay him enoigh to stop being a full time streamer
he makes bank now
weak bolt
Toronto/Dallas seem the most suitable places for Danteh assuming he leaves Outlaws, but I'm not sure I see either spending the cash
earnest leaf
why are nrg people replying to danteh with 👀
karmic grotto
You ever seen xQc the pro vs xQc the streamer?
earnest leaf
Twitter
digital cloud
Oh no
weak bolt
Because it gets plebs like us talking about Danteh to Shock
plush grail
wait which org is nrg
karmic grotto
xqc with space is a good combo
hot heart
Bro
earnest leaf
ngl they prolly baiting us hardcore
hot heart
Danteh to shock
hot heart
That could honestly work
karmic grotto
hot heart
Sombra and tracer player
plush grail
why even bother with danteh when you have striker
weak bolt
He'd be pretty much perma benched outside of a Sombra meta
hot heart
And a top player too
digital cloud
Striker better tracer
weak bolt
You'd never play him over Striker on tracer
hot heart
Sombra then
karmic grotto
specialist
plush grail
pretty sure if striker tried he could also become a better sombra
digital cloud
No one needs specialists anymore
weak bolt
I don't think Danteh would want to sit on Shock bench again honestly
digital cloud
Shock could get anyone
karmic grotto
@plush grail but ans was sombra?
plush grail
picking up a player just for sombra is fucking stupid
silk frost
danteh kevster birdring rotation on glads maybe
weak bolt
3 Hitscans would be a bit OTT there I think
karmic grotto
but kevster is already good
plush grail
danteh to the charge
karmic grotto
kevster just needs low ping
silk frost
Danteh isn't hitscan tho
karmic grotto
I wonder if kevster has a visa
weak bolt
Hitscan/Sombra/Tracer then, all 3 of them play those really
plush grail
danteh just randomly joins a korean roster, feeds his brains out cause he can't comm at all
weak bolt
Toronto would be the team that needs him most imo
digital cloud
They won’t spend for him
weak bolt
S4 seems washed/retired. Logix could then focus hitscan, and Danteh tracer/sombra
karmic grotto
Space is not cheap
plush light
Does Kevster has facil features
karmic grotto
man's at least 200k salary
weak bolt
Echo is a nice pocket pick, but whether it becomes meta again is hard to know. Especially if Widow stays so strong
silk frost
2021 season is looking like dive echo tracer or scrap sigma
plush light
Dante be grinding off tank on stream
silk frost
you think OW2 will be out before 2085 dude?
karmic grotto
ah
weak bolt
Assuming OWL S4 is even on OW2 patch/heroes which we have no idea on
next mesa
There's going to be a lot more info
digital cloud
We are likely getting a beta at blizzcon
hot heart
OW2 will most likely be released mid 2021
silk frost
hopefully
hot heart
So
next mesa
in like 6 months?
karmic grotto
We have no info on OW 2, the suspense is killing me. At least show some of Sojourns abilities f*** sake
weak bolt
You have to think the teams are aware of what next season is
weak bolt
You can't spring all the info on the teams in February with an April season start
next mesa
yeah that's true
limber pine
I don’t think there’s a chance of that happening
weak bolt
They gave the teams like 4 months notice of 2-2-2 I think
next mesa
doesn't it make sense
plush grail
for sure owl teams are being told way ahead of time of the new heroes and possible changes
limber pine
Mid season yeah
next mesa
owl new season starts on overwatch 2
digital cloud
Probably stay on ow1 for the whole season if they don’t implement it by the beginning
next mesa
It doesn't make sense
like imagine getting all these cool heroes
and your esports scene
is still at the old game
for an entire year (almost)
like idk
limber pine
I’m saying OW2 won’t be next year
digital cloud
They also emphasize preparedness
weak bolt
I think if anything, you delay season 4 and hold some in between tournament if they plan to launch OW2 by Summer 2021
next mesa
Idk
digital cloud
5 new heros will destroy the meta
plush light
Fielder + good ping = every one else dead
next mesa
Original launch was this year
karmic grotto
Contenders vs OWL teams, LETS GO
plush grail
contenders vs owl is never gonna happen
limber pine
Idk if they had an original launch
next mesa
they should at least release a trailer
plush grail
if contenders teams beat owl teams
limber pine
AFAIK
next mesa
maybe some gameplay
plush light
Metro did that leak
plush grail
people are gonna start to doubt owl
next mesa
yeah metro
weak bolt
My bet is we hear about it at Feb Blizzcon, and then see it towards the end of 2021
next mesa
@plush grail no I think they will just sign those contenders players in owl
hot heart
Metro leaks are the best dude
next mesa
Metro leaked right ok yeah
limber pine
Agreed errrorr
karmic grotto
they are planning on putting 3 KR contenders teams in APAC tournaments for S4
next mesa
imo I think they will release a beta in february/march
karmic grotto
they alreayd have the heroes
plush light
If Shockwave goes back to contenders I'm out
next mesa
It's a brand new game
hot heart
Makes much more sense than mid 2021 ig
weak bolt
Bare in mind OW2 isn't just 5 heroes & new map type. You ahve a whole PVE game too
next mesa
5 heroes makes sense
limber pine
But it’s not just 5 more heroes
next mesa
Its also new maps
karmic grotto
They already have the heroes designed and are testing them
hot heart
Oohh
limber pine
It’s a completely new game realisticly
karmic grotto
Some French streamer/caster saw 4 silhouettes 1/2 years ago
weak bolt
I suspect they'll aim for the end of 2021, and use the OWL teams for balance/beta testing the new heroes/maps/game mode in the background through S4
plush grail
muma's gonna main a new tank and find a new way to feed his brains out
weak bolt
They have a whole league of pros at their disposal, it would make a lot of sense to use them for OW2 Beta testing honestly
plush light
Mama needs to be a junkrat main
plush grail
maybe light playtesting
next mesa
I just don't think it makes sense to announce ow2/have ow2 in beta testing but your pro scene is playing the old game
karmic grotto
plush light
Muma
karmic grotto
OW 2 should be beta
next mesa
like yes preparation
karmic grotto
let me join!
plush grail
owl pro scene just switches to valorant 2 months into the season
next mesa
but also, fuck it just do it
weak bolt
Problem is if OW2 launches and is hugely broken balance wise, what do you do with OWL, weekly patches?
plush grail
no
they dont care
took them months for 2-2-2
we'll probably just have a broken game for a while
karmic grotto
RELEASE IT
next mesa
fuck it dude
plush grail
if there's a op characters they'll probably give them super minor nerfs and then just suddenly take away everything
weak bolt
It'd be the smart move for Blizz to use OWL to beta test & balance beforehand. If they launch and the game is a flop, then it'll be curtains for OW in a lot of peoples eyes
next mesa
regular season games
plush grail
thats how overwtach works
next mesa
It's okay
See all the new heroes in pro play
all the pros figuring it out
at the same time as the actual players
idk would be pretty pog
valid oxide
https://twitter.com/danteh/status/1316833141303070720?s=21 oh wow Danteh gone as well
Twitter
plush grail
kinda is like that with the release of new heroes
when echo was new
everyone played her for like 2 months
nobody really knew how to play around her
until they found out
and now echo is just a niche meh character
weak bolt
Not totally gone @valid oxide , the others were told they wont get extended, where as Danteh has the option by sounds of it
hoary sierra
the only reason for danteh to stay with them is the pay
next mesa
also he wont get benched
weak bolt
Or they have a plan to go big this season
plush grail
according to linkzr outlaws were pretty solid in scrims
weak bolt
Was it Houston that got bought at an Org level this year mid season, and is now an acutal org and not just someones side project?
plush grail
maybe the other teams let them win
hoary sierra
yep @weak bolt
weak bolt
Might be with an interested Org behind them, they make an effort this season, and have culled what they consider dead weight so far
hoary sierra
if they're smart they offer danteh a pay raise and build a team around him i feel
plush grail
bro
hoary sierra
if they consider danteh and jecse dead weight they gotta rethink some things lmao
plush grail
what if mickie comes back
hoary sierra
didnt mickie go to valorant?
weak bolt
Danteh hasn't been dropped to be fair. They may want to extend him and he's just seeing what he can get
weak bolt
Jecse is a weird one, maybe there were internal issues or something
next mesa
mickie is trash
plush grail
bro
next mesa
no offense he's a great person
hoary sierra
i mean as a content creator he went to valorant, didnt he?
weak bolt
Mickie was an OG of OW, but didn't keep up with the progress of the game. Same as a bunch of players from S1
plush grail
hey atleast mickie just retired
weak bolt
Miro, Jehong, Tviq etc.
next mesa
miro was toxic towards women?
vagrant jacinth
according to linkzr outlaws were pretty solid in scrims
Danteh said the same, pretty much undefeated
plush grail
he's still great
forest raven
Only reason jehong isn't in the league rn is because the Titans org is 2 iq
weak bolt
Jehong did kind of fall behind other supports. Compared to his old status in OW anyway
plush grail
miro was toxic towards women?
@next mesa no miro is good, harryhook was one of the last envy ogs but got removed because he said some bad shit
next mesa
oh harryhook
bro doesn't matter
jehong is goated anyway
he doesn't need to do shit
but he still wants to come back, and I respect
plush grail
jhong isn't even looking for a team rn
plush grail
but im pretty sure he's prolly getting offers daily
next mesa
He's gotten like so many offers for coaches and managers
weak bolt
Agreed hes one of the greats, but in todays OW, I think he'd almost tarnish his reputation a bit
plush grail
yah but he's not LFT on twitter right
karmic grotto
crusty said he would like to coach mirage esca, wakawaka etc..
next mesa
but he's like fuck this
next mesa
He might not even be in overwatch
anyway esca and jehong will be together I think
after military service
weak bolt
I think they'll end up making a team of some sort and getting into contenders and creating an org like Runaway
weak bolt
Was it Tobi at all this season? He was dropped and then re-signed I think
plush grail
also just stating facts, sbb is the best captain
weak bolt
Maybe Liquipedia is just wrong, who knows
plush grail
gesture himself edited it
next mesa
super shock captain
plush grail
for the luls
weak bolt
I mean Fusion have Carpe listed as his Captain, but I thought someone said he barely talks
plush grail
im pretty sure we dont know the actual captain of any team
plush grail
because carpe is for sure not the captain
plush grail
thats for sure
plush grail
but idk if the captain status is known by fans
maybe the people on the wiki just assumed
like, oo carpe is good let's call him the captain
weak bolt
Think its just a fan perception kinda thing
Hmm, Titans are going to have to announce whether they keep all their current players by tomorrow, or they're free to go looking for new offers. Wonder how that goes
next mesa
I know in s1 the players of seoul were just talking about oh yeah we just all agreed to have jehong as our captain
kinda no brainer decision though
weak bolt
I think all teams probably have 1 or 2 players as their leadership figure, and that's probably what people consider captain
next mesa
doesn't he want to be in a mixed roster
plush grail
please dont tell me the outlaws are gonna keep danteh and meko hostage on this shit team
weak bolt
Meko is probably on a huge pay cheque at Outlaws honestly, and if they want to keep him, he'll sit tight
plush grail
what about philly