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NA
didn't see it
about 3 hours ago I boot up EU servers for games and there it is
go back to NA and it's there
I got it when I logged on
Asia is fine, but i never play with a couple of those toxic players rejected form their own servers
It's always worked on my account. You tell me
it worked when i was on na
i switched to eu to play with some friends and now its not there
Has anyone received the tracer skin for ps4?
i got it for xbox
Well xbox might be different. I want to confirm and see if anyone got theirs on ps4. Because there seems to be a problem
dr
I haven’t gotten anything on PS4
Ok we have one report
I haven’t gotten anything on PS4
@trail brook me neither
@forest spindle I have the same problem
can we just focus on esports and stop complaining about tokens all the damn time
tru
at the end of the day it could've gone to either of them
but viol2t staying on zen for the majority of the series was a diff maker
viol2t the 3rd dps
viol2t yet finding another way to avoid ana lol
legit viol2t is the epitome of a dps player on support and zen/bap are such perfect heroes for him
He was the only hog that was honestly looking just as good if not better than gesture
yeah they looked pretty even
They said that in it was the first finals that wasn't a sweep
but didn't 2018 go 3-1? or am I trippin
it was
aint got shit on ps4
Ps4 has a problem
Not sure what
But it does
Anyway
Super was a mad man on the hog
Ngl i think he'll see more playtime next year
How long until the rerun stream ends?
2 more maps
Ya PS4 seems to have an issue where you can’t even get the skin even though you watched the required amount
Bruh then im not gonna get 100 credits 😦
now that szns over
I’m excited for roster changes
well at least the good ones/teams in need of them
I definitely see Philly taking up a dedicated Tracer player
Houston has hinted they are gonna do something soon
but what? hopefully pick up a new mt
i don’t see anything other than an MT change yeah
and as many new players for all rolls as they can
wouldn't hurt to be stacked
though Houston doesn't do that historically
Danteh will stay definitely. Linkzr maybe too. Not sure about Blase/Hydration
I feel like hydration just kinda doesn’t have a role on the team I guess? Blase has his exact hero pool
Danteh is good, Linkzr seems better, blase is decent on his heros
Hydration
I don't know
he hasn't looked so hot
but he wasn't a mt before he was forced on
Linkzrs known for being streaky but at the same time I realize he’s been playing with Muma for 3 years
But also it feels like he just isn’t confident
well Muma sort of used to be good
and I do think the confidence thing is a big part of it
because he really does play at top Widow level when he is on
definitely, Less confidence = you get more boomed easily
if u don’t believe in urself from the start gg
not even just me being a fan boy I think, he has had really great performances against top widows
houston needs a better projectile dps
blase could probably fill that if he worked on it
suffer together my brudda
he has a nice genji already
yeah man
Blases doomfist is so damn good
really exceeded all expectations
dude
and doom is great
I can see blase picking up hanzo and pharah
dude when he got kicked out of nanoblade
Already plays pharah I think
I was like fuck
but then creative hit that fat nade and I just nutted
But then they got fat anti

Hydration just kinda there
remember when hydration played doom
Idk what you would ever play him on
he was a decent mt for someone that never really did it at top level
but yeah, he
he just seems sort of washed to me in general
his pharah
god
boston
the memories
if houston can only make 1 move then it has to be MT
Boston 
they just never seem to be a cohesive team regardless
I’m assuming EQO and Boombox get dropped for philly
it has been a problem for them for years
Poko is going FA I believe
they literally never look like a functioning team
all the players expect for boink are all midlevel or teeming on top tier
Fr
but the coaching sucks bad for them
Houston have glimpses of hope and times where they do quite well
But otherwise it’s like nah
Probs Boston
The coaching for both Atlanta and Houston turned decent teams to trash
philly has been good all year expect when it counts
that is just carpe
yeah tbh this has been a pretty good season
the curse of carpe
u cant have a roster that stacked and not win a single trophy
you can with carpe
He's not even fucking playing
Ryujehong has it worse
RJH actually has 2 apex seasons
nothing left to prove
yeah he won back to back apex titles
like
that's fucking pog lol
he left a legacy and was a champion
except he never even touched OWL championships
tru, but his effect on the game is more than enough
I mean he is still the goat but it has to burn him some
especially since I think he was more than good enough to have pretty much deserved it year 1
London getting it was bs
seoul was bad in season 1
bad coaching
did they have different coaches than APEX?
you know im confused
you know how esca and jehong made a promise to go to same team after his military service
yea
and then jehong wants to go back to owl, does that mean esca too
or maybe they'll be like fuck it, valorant
no probs not
they have mentioned doing Valorant a bit
its probs valorant
proceeds to stomp on sinatraa
yeah, he is the opper
which is weird because corey is on his team
would have expected him to do it
if esca actually was in the league I think he would've been a true goat candidate
but thats a big what if really
dunno
EscA was good but he was also considered like a super good leader right?
he’d always grind what his team needed as well
depends
really no reason to have whoru when you got haksal
but i doubt he is gonna stay on NY
whoru is just mini haksal
all the other top teams have elite projectile dps
kind of funny how jjonak was such a bright spot in s1 and then slowly started to drift away in terms of being on top
i think jjonak was like miro but u know hes still good in the league
set the standard for a hero and then was surpassed
was he surpassed
I think he kinda just mega feeds sometimes
but still averages most damage per 10
on zen
viol2t easily surpasses him
Jjonak is very aggro indeed
alarm is just freakishly good on all supports besides mercy/lucio
glory days of jjonak right clicking everyone to death and getting zen nerfed
Shit was crazy man
viol2t is like alarm in how they both of them play all flex supports at a high level
ya
expect maybe ana but viol2t prefers supports that frag harder
I feel like Glads is gonna be real good if they get big pickups
Because their DPS are nasty already
theres plenty of them
f5 season gonna be fun
my eyes on are NY
I wanna see where libero goes
flex supports, as in just ana and zen right
Real question is what will Season 4’s streamer/popular player pickup be
Season 1 we had seagull. Season 2 we had dafran, season 3 we had chipsa
I wonder who is next
i was gonna say ml7 but the streamer bag is too much
ml7 is never going pro
yeatle, but i see him going t2 1st
ANS was basically the twitch streamer gone straight to OWL guy
but chipsa was more popular at the time
ml7 stated multiple times that he wasn't going pro though
and like didn't he even decline invitation to play with romania in world cup
well streamers going pro is rare thing to occur so were picking needles in a haystack rn
ANS and chispa were basically it
and Chipsa wasn't actually picked for talent either, so it is basically just Ans more or less
after seeing gesture and super im gonna play some inspirational hog in ranked
ANS for context was serious pickup, while chispa was for marketing
@next mesa you don't
@balmy wolf chipsa did market them yes, but for the heroes he does play hes not bad
people can argue til they are blue in the face that Chipsa is maybe the best doom on his team, but if they were going to get someone for doom at all they could have tried blase, Sp9kle, etc.
but who knows, i really doubt chispa wants to go pro either way
its ez money to stream and have a salary on top of that
he was for marketing, period, not for talent
his stream got bigger from the signing itself
@digital cloud ok
sign necros 😤
same thing as chipsa
I could see it being only half marketing then, because they thought they needed a doom player but they got chipsa
they already had 2 projectile players on the team
so in the rebroadcast i have watcxhed 3 hours
then they could have gotten a better player for doom. it is all marketing
wheres the skin
hog is also bad in comp
wasnt carpe the one who played doom anyway last yr?
I think most of fusion Dps can play Doom to a high level
yes
So its only half marketing, because they could have just gotten a random streamer but they got a doom player
said he doesnt wanna go pro but
no, it isn't half marketing, because they could have gotten dozens of better dooms
They got chipsa cus he’s big meme
he gets fucked by any decent owl doom
It was a competitive thought to get a doom player in the first place
Lmao, no
not when the doom player can't hack it in the first place
Hack it?
When the doom player can’t beat a widow maker I don’t think skill was the intended reason
If they only wanted marketing they couldve just picked up emmong or something
they chose him because of his brother
that is not unrelated, even if it wasn't nepotism
And thats deviating away from what I said
they might have picked up emmong if not for the consideration of his brother
who knows
well, brother in law or whatever he is
at the end of the day, chipsa is not a good enough doom to justified a signing like him when they 3 players who could play him at a high level
it was marketing and it worked
Ok
doom got nerfed after the 2019 grand finals anyway
But its not pure marketing
yes it is
How?
sp9kle destroys him. blase destroys him. haksal does. any other person on an owl team that plays doom that I can't think of does
Erster
and? all other dooms destroy him. the hero pool is irrelevant
But they dont
Chipsa is still undefeated in owl
I'm pretty sure he has the highest stats, even if it was against a dogshit team
Hold on
how do you know he can't compete
he isn't in games. he isn't in scrims. if he even was good enough, he won't be now
LETS FUCKING GO ||SAN FRANCISCO||
just watch it and if it does then you know
just watch it
Wait is the tracer skin only for watching today or was it for watching any of the games that happened these past few days
only for today
Bruhh im watching the re run but I don’t think it count
nope
Ugh cant believe I overslept 😕
I am trying confirm a theory that there is a bug on ps4 that disables people from getting the tracer skin
and you dont get anything for watching post show
I don't think that's possible now
you can but thats almost over
@stuck radish i think i’ve been watching since map 4
Wait so you don’t get tokens or anything for post show?
nope
U need 2 hrs on a live broadcast
Post show should count as long as its all adding up to 2 hrs
Rebroadcast is over now
I didnt chsck but ill see if i got drops

Pretty sure post show does count cuz i got the skin

I just went to tracer and looked at her skins and they were all the way at the top

lmao
Yah I haven't got it yet either pepehands
Imma wait a day and see but rn, gonna rewatch the maps
i didnt get it
@orchid oxide Tokens or the skin?
When do the all stars skins leave
12th
friendship ended with seoul now shock is my friend
after all the watching of the OWL to get league tokens for the lucio emote
at the end of the grand finals.. I got 195
total
im gonna die

wondered why i didn't get the owl tracer skin drop
turns out i already had it from 2018
that's lame
Good one
they should have chosen another hero
Idiot
why are they in reruns!!
dont u have all owl skins from the owl pass
no only a select number of heroes got grey skins in 2018
but u get numerous from the pass
i'm including those
combining the previous all-access pass + 2018 twitch cheer rewards
grey skins were available for
D.Va, Genji, Hanzo, Junkrat, McCree, Mercy, Moira, Soldier: 76, Tracer, Widowmaker
if i'm not mistaken
no one else
anyone know
if theres gonna be anymore opportunities to get league tokens
idk if im trynna spend 6$ to get 100 extra league tokens when im only 5 away
Very most likely not
@gusty saffron not until next season
Season's over
excluding giveaways
@orchid oxide if you got the skin, it should be in the hero gallery under tracer
not the owl tab
then you didn't watch for 2 hours
according to blizzard, anyways
God these matches were so sick
I only got 25 and watched the whole thing, sigh
i don't believe they will
the rerun was for NA audiences
since grand finals originally began at 6 am PDT
i'm fairly certain there will be no more reruns
I was there for last year's finals and it was so anti-climatic
Vancouver just getting steamrolled
The old Vancouver
I hope they do another skin like goat brig
we can expect the mvp & champion skin next year
That one was really cleverf
march/june is when to expect the champion/mvp skins
there's no way of knowing if we'll get something like goat brigitte again
but if we do, that'd be around february
they drop limited-edition skins every year
at minimum 4 per season
(champion, mvp, 2 all-stars)
those each cost 200 tokens
Not getting Jjonak's Zen skin still haunts my dreams
you'll need 800-1,000 tokens if you want every exclusive skin next year
Blizzard'll gladly accept your monetary contribution
then at least save 200 tokens, in case one of them piques your interest
well there's no other way of getting 50 tokens right now
Pay up 
i just want more grey skins
Just buy shock skins bro
i don't like them
They're grey
they're shock
They're not the Overwatch League branded skins
Never doubt the shock
more surprising is that SHD didnt win vs dynasty
And quarantining for 2 weeks
Ya this sucks. There is a problem with PS4 where no one got the drops even though they watched
I'm mad Seoul didn't win
was the grand finals patch the op hog patch
Hog hasn't been changed in the last month
@humble yarrow it's ok they exceeded all expectations
seoul still got $750,000
@next mesa yea they did that why i was hoping they would win
They beat shd thats why i hoped they would wib too
wait rlly seoul made 750k
did anyone get the tracer skin and spray today?
I did on xbox.
hmm
did you watch it the first or second time
because they did a rerun and supposedly you could earn the rewards from that too
my acc wasn't connected apparently even tho it was last week
so i didnt get anything this week
pepehands
tuff
i paid for more owl tokens because the system is so broken and i wanted both skins
i miss twitch
ik
just connect ur acc to blizz, and connect ur blizz to twitch
but nO gotta move a hundred times
twitch chat was also
something.
any idea when the mvp skin comes out
to only stream there and their site
probs before the 2021 season
i think itll probs be for either: widow, tracer, or echo
most likely the last
i hope its tracer tho
or echo too
ill probs buy the skin no matter what
same
cause i got 300 tokens sitting around
i dont have that lol
yeah
and they usually look nice
im hoping for a fire dragon or chinese dragon themed echo
thats why i bought the doomfist shock skin
that'd actually look so good
i didnt get the DF skin
nor the zen / zarya skin
i got the mercy all stars and both all stars this year
i dont have the zen one
wait how could you buy the last year ones
no i bought it when it was there
well somone else got me it
lucky
lucio one is very good too
yea, lucio looks nice too
i had the genji and tracer ones on xbox
i didnt get the genji nor tracer
very sad they didnt transfer
i was honestly kinda confused whats happening then cause it was when OWL was new
so i was like 'oh nice skins lol' and after they disappeared i realized what it was
yeah but it was also really easy to get tokens back then
you could get drops of like 50
instead of this 5 per hour bs
thats like actually nothing its insane
yeah
same
tbh i might just start saving more tokens, cause i have like 13-15 OWL skins for mercy
my friend bought all of nyxls skins just from drops
yeah he watched like every stream
lol
and whos gonna win
and when u reached milestones they gave u like 100 tokens
that was nice
i dont understand why they left twitch for such a terrible interface like youtube
youtube has nothing
and the owl website barely works
only the app is like ok
yea
and even then its not the best
the owl website doesnt work, ive tried so many things and it doesnt work
and on the app it randomly logs me out (like it did this weekend)
which i hate cause i cant tell if it changes or not
YT is impossible to give drops on
their best bet honestly was to stay on twitch
they couldve tried to strike a deal with twitch, but i guess YT was too good to pass up
i think i was signed out too honestly
because i just checked and i am signed out too
which would explain why i didnt get anything yet
🙂
yeah ig
and couldnt even log on to OW until this morning
and i was confused why i didnt get like 50 tokens
cause i left my phone on for like 80% of the games
and it was triple tokens week
and checked the app AFTER finals
and saw it said to log in
🙂
yeah i tried the website for that triple day and it didnt work
yeah lol
poggers
yeye
i hope genji gets one
they only showed off 3 legendaries
idk, looks to me they showcased everything
true
3 legendaries and 3 epics
right?
i feel like there could be one more legendary
i assume the 3 epics are the weekly skins
yeah thats right
tbh idk, theyre working on OW 2
the brig sombra and echo skins
so they may or may not be rushing half the events
actually the skins are made a year in advance
tbh tho, last event they changed lucioball slightly
yeah but i dont think they would start that with halloween
or at least months in advance
a whole year?
yeah
ah ok
probs like 8+ months
thne
then'
tbh i just want a change to junkenstein
their just on auto mode with updates
yeah
easy arcade wins tho
all i do now is photobomb the intros with friends
i want an all heroes mode
or some form of change to it
maybe like defending from point A all the way to in the castle
please...
lol

they did a really fun change for Lucioball so I'm holding out hope for something new
shock penis\
How do I pick a role to try to go pro in?
Honestly most players who got into owl played all sorts of heroes
Sado from Fusion and Hotba from NYXL play a ripper dps
But they stick with Main tank because they know how critical their role is with their mechanical skill
I mean im playing main tank for a team rn
But I don’t really enjoy playing MT in ranked
Neptuno on Guangzhou Charge is a former CS 1.6 Pro player back in South America, he plays main support in OWL because he said personally someone has to carry the team's healing.
Because scrims and ranked is so different
I don't believe Neptuno has fun partularly on that role, but Kruise is a shining example of getting lost in your head chasing the pro scene
He applied for teams as a dps and a main tank
I play a mean dps too and I enjoy playing dps in ranked
And failed at both during tryouts because he applied for two completely distinct roles
My logic is like this, I should find a role to master
Hell Kruise on support has helped him focused on one particular set of skills
But he never really mastered something until he put all his effort into one hero, you should do the same if it makes you comfortable
I would be uncomfortable playing support, I grew out of it and play main tank
dps players when
DPS Shu
I feel like as a dps I can focus more on what I am doing but on main tank there is so many things other than yourself you have to think about you know
wasn't moth global elite in csgo or something?
Im so bad when it comes to making decisions 😤
Ask yourself an important question then
Why are YOU good at overwatch? And how do you know you are playing at your best?
I think as a main tank that's much easier to answer given enough time
But that should apply to dps just as easily, forget about what heroes apply to the situation. Whatever is in your hero pool is your hero pool
The lower your current SR, the more time you have to decide
^
Feels bad for moth tbh, he had to play mercy for all of the finals
He might like playing her
He's also one of the best mercy's on the planet
Ye
has anyone gotten the skins/spray
Yeah I have
I also got OWL spray and skin by watching it on OWL website using Opera broswer.
Was the problem with OWL skin and spray appearing only on NA and ASIA servers fixed ?
Moth is an amazing mercy and no longer nervous
Was the problem with OWL skin and spray appearing only on NA and ASIA servers fixed ?
@balmy wolf ?
nvm got the skin if im on the asian servers just not on europeanen
Profit heard plat chat talking shit about his ashe
still no tracer skin on eu region 😩
most alpha move ever
lose the map, as expected of Seoul and Shock keeps ball rolling
Win the map you shatter a 2 year win streak and boom the fuck out of them
Taking one of tbe best teams in esports to their best map and beating them
Or an undefeated map
🙏
Profit is such a beats
*beast
Its unbelievable
Like
He's so flexible
And even when he flexes to other picks
He's top tier
Dude is definitely thr GOAT of OW
Even if seoul lost the grand finals
Yh
For tank I’d say maybe Choi
Theirs a lot of good tanks but I think he stands out the most
Profit Fury Jehong
Fury is just a legend
But philly is cursed to never win a finals so
@tropic herald
Oh yh fury
God that's hard to narrow down
Have you guys accepted that shock is the best team yet?
Shock is the SKT of OW
Have you guys accepted that shock is the best team yet?
@cobalt spoke prays be Shock And supers large cock
Profit, gesture I'd nominate. Don't which support I'd say though, jjonak maybe?
for GOAT?
idk i feel like jehong would be better
bcuz hes been there since the very very beginning and has always been considered a great ana player
profit is profit and even tho shock won its kinda obv who the best dps was
tank is hard tho bcuz i feel like there are so many
not just one who absolutely runs over the rest
I think Tobi solidified himself as GOAT yesterday. He's been in the scene for years
Miro
Yeah you might be right about jehong honestly
Tank I feel like probably has a few more candidates than the other roles
If anyone was robbed it was my mans smurf
Tbh
smh Alarm deserved ROTY no doubt
I think smurf
Was the best MT
All season long
Him fearless and sado
We're beasts
Smurf was better than sado
im stealing that vid lmao
Me too
Yoink
Smurf was better than sado
@cobalt spoke only edge sado has is having a crazy rein
Other than that
Smurf is better on every hero
And super has a better rein
Yeah
bumper #1 🙏
lmao same
You guys are mad sleeping on hydration
shock has the best players on 3/4 main tanks
i miss titans
i wonder how far they would have gotten
Fissure & Jehong r massive pickups
Old runaway seems like a fever dream now
idk if SHD would have gotten beat by beginning of S3 titans but i have a feeling
bcuz the individual skill of all those players is nutty, + past synergy from runaway
Has super gotten goat?
Deffo a candidate imo
Supers genji made him a GOAT candidate change my mind lmao
Smurf was fucking nuts, sad he didn't get any awards
Super the flex role god
Smurf didnt get nominated for ANYTHING
Lmao I'd love it
Profit mvp could happen but thats only if seoul absolutely dominate next season
Can i ask why super is considered one of the best mt’s when i have only seen him play very consistently on rein and a little hog?
His rein
Is something else
He can flex a little
And isnt bad at anything really
Except D.va ig
I mean thats debatable
His ball was okay if i remember correctly
Because i have seen his orisa and that is mid tier at best
And his winston seems like it was pretty good from what i remember seeing last year
But it was goats
So idk if that fits in 2 2 2 metas
His orisa isnt bad to where it hurts shock
His winston is ok but not as good as the top mt’s
But when you have the best orisa in OWL
You kind of just bench him
And he only plays rein
Or for double off tank
goat is muma
Tbf they played him on genjj at times and that didn’t hurt the shock either
Yep
against Boston tho lmao
well yeah
Not completely lost on the genji
just play safe and bladebot
/r/owtmz been quiet
Hmm
I can agree but you could not put him in the same level as haksal or sp9rk1e on genji
Not even top 10 in the league
Obv
He just got an insane amount of room given by striker and choi
Ye
And this might be controversial but i have seen better orisa performances from the likes of numlocked and gamsu than super
He just isn’t comfortable with that hero
Which is fine since he has a good rein and shock also have smurf
But to consider super as a goat when he really only has one hero he can play at a top level is imo bonkers
I think if super had more playtime
@hot heart signing rumors cant start before the window have opened
They can if teams are planning on picking people up
Idk man, he's incredibly consistent and shows he can play these other tanks too. Plus the energy he brings to the team should be considered also imo
no, because plans will never be rumored
Okay
Idk man, he's incredibly consistent and shows he can play these other tanks too. Plus the energy he brings to the team should be considered also imo
@vagrant jacinth ye
when the bids starts coming in, then you will see the rumors start popping
Ye probably
right now teams are just trailing players to get a good idea of which they can potentially pick up
the only rumor so far is london dropping and trading all their players
Dude
If London drop literally everyone
And not keep glister bernar and maybe highly
There's no hope for them
well i wouldn't put that far, they have good staff from british hurricane
they have a really good overview over EU
it would be optimal for them to go mixed yes, but that don't seem to be happening
the only rumor so far is london dropping and trading all their players
Coaches too I believe. Big sad
also that yes
you wont find a better flex support in EU then highly
but they might be able to snag boombox so he will be good
Coaches are gone
Would Fusion get rid of Boombox tho?
yes
they want to go british, or at least EU
he didn't even go to korea
maybe if he got a better contract
Boombox is good enough to be a consistent starter for a team, and being british makes him extra attractive for London
if london could get funnyastro that would be good for them
Lmao, no way they're gonna get him
Fusion would be absolutely braindead to give away FA
NOOT NOOT
NOOT NOOT
London will bring in the hurricane boys
Orrr, ksp, boombox, funnyastro lets gooo lmao
I'm not too sure, I'd guess some of them might be
I did like this roster, was hoping they'd stick with it and make a few changes here and there
korean - london good maybe
maybe philly will give him away if carpe wants full korean
Bernar was sick
Schwi and although didn't really impress me, I preferred glister/babel
Ah man
Just read stuff ans was talking about in his stream
453 votes and 28 comments so far on Reddit
Jesus
Hope he'll get better
There are so many people that love him
Im sure that can seem like pressure
Yeah, he was fucking cracked and that's still an understatement
Dealing with all this and still performing like that? My god
Seeing him cry had me tearing up too, hope he gets better
🙏
If the shock 3 peat it will truly be a dynasty
Anyway hope ans get better
Now that he's not rookie more
Nothing left to prove
He can just chill
dude is a hella good widow
He's an all round top dps player
Ans 2021 mvp lets goo
If the shock 3 peat it will truly be a dynasty
I think shock already is. If they do it again next year, they'll definitely cement that for sure
Carpe and faker 
I dunno actually. I thought he left with munchkin
Apparently he had a wrist injury at some point
yeah
5 months now
Boston could have been something akin to the shock
ah
It really could have
Who's gonna pick up myung
Glads
Is the only team
They released their only supports
It has to be myungbong
Or some fat signing
If you release shaz
Then you must have a good reason
Well in sports terms usually
3 peat or 4 finals in less than 5 years
Is dynasty
Like the early 2000 lakers were dynasty but not the late 2000s lakers
Anyway not important
#P
pp

3 peat or 4 finals in less than 5 years
@next mesa This happens a lot in AFL. Adelaide, Brisbane, Collingwood...
can someone tell me what the genji naruto music is called
Or we get the same teams in the grand finals or winning two out of three years.
eg, West Coast v Geelong in both 1992 1994. West coast v Sydney 2005/2006. Geelong d PA, Hawthorn d Geelong, Geelong d St Kilda, Collingwood d St Kilda 2007-2010.
Idk what afl is
australian football league