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deep wolf
2-2 and this KOTH might go 1-1
sonic olive
Nothing scarier than an angry mercy
hot heart
This is lookin like a sfs win
deep wolf
HUGE TOUCH
little tusk
Fuck yeah lets go sfs
nova wadi
zzzz sfs
ornate rose
fiery oasis
Gg
forest raven
Yeah the boys
quartz cairn
no pls
ornate rose
gg 😦
deep wolf
LETS GO SHOCK
earnest leaf
GG
forest raven
Can't beat shock on koth
round leaf
gg
gloomy vector
well gg
hot heart
GGs
neat lantern
GG
trail gyro
cant wait to watch this tomorrow
velvet mesa
lets gooo
true hound
GG
velvet mesa
ggs
gloomy vector
so its the same match like dynasty
deep wolf
Asian teams are leagues above NA OMEGALUL
balmy wolf
Deja vu
pliant jolt
damn the same thing happened ytd lol
forest raven
Anyone else got deja vu right now?
sonic olive
Oh dear
Shd were all over the place, what thr hell have i just wasted my time watching
little tusk
Fuck yeah
deep wolf
little tusk
See shd isnt unstoppable
deep wolf
LETS GOOOO
true hound
Shd second kings of choke
little tusk
Fucking shock poppinh
hidden rivet
ggs
true hound
!!!!
young fractalBOT
!!
quartz cairn
am sad
hot heart
SHD second half was great
balmy wolf
Please. Just counter Striker and you can win.
little tusk
Woop woop
next mesa
Gg
hot heart
First half they sucked
pliant jolt
hopefully seoul vs philly isnt gonna be a roll
tropic herald
Pain
earnest leaf
You don't counter striker
forest raven
Shock went up 2-0, had a closs loss on volskaya, got full held on the payload map of their choice, then won Busan 2-0
velvet mesa
that last push to their spawn in meka basa probably cost them the win
next mesa
Dragons bounce back
true hound
Please. Just counter Striker and you can win.
@balmy wolf see that’s the hard part
lmao
balmy wolf
Lol
little tusk
I hope philly wins but idk
gloomy vector
well same with dynasty but shock stop them too so idk who is gonna win
forest raven
Striker is the best tracer
true hound
Carpe is their best widow and tracer
deep wolf
stuck like this
earnest leaf
man
unkempt gale
philly prob beats dynasty but gets crushed again by shanghai again
true hound
And heesu can’t be Carpe 2.0
earnest leaf
we have two more games still
balmy wolf
I woke up late, was the map 1 a roll like map 5?
little tusk
Carpe ivy then instezd of heesu?
sonic olive
Feel like I haven't just watched shd at all
true hound
It’s hard because Carpe is in his own caliber
forest raven
Striker tracer and smurf winston is the best dive duo on the planet
true hound
While shocks 2 dps are Carpe level
deep wolf
sullen berry
fiery oasis
Control sucks for SHD against high level player
unkempt gale
#OWL2020 #WINNABLE
true hound
Just striker diffd
unkempt gale
HE IS JUST NOT NORMAL.
little tusk
Was striker this nuts?
sonic olive
Gonna be in the finals though so second round
true hound
Bcuz fleta can’t mirror
hot heart
Wait
true hound
Yep
balmy wolf
this is the third fucking time shock is asbout to get reverse swept and wins
little tusk
Get dafran huehue
true hound
sign kabaji fools
forest raven
Striker is the best tracer and smurf is the best winston
little tusk
Frfr
balmy wolf
STOP IT SOCK YOURE GIVING ME A HEART ATTACK
ornate rose
true hound
@forest raven smh not how you spell x q c
balmy wolf
they need to keep super in on all map types not control
forest raven
pepelaugh
tropic herald
Guys this is very clearly the journey motif for Shanghai
little tusk
Het kabaji dissappeared when dafran dissappeared 🤔
true hound
yes
balmy wolf
idk why smurf is in on 2cp and payload maps
fiery oasis
They should've kept lip in?
sonic olive
Yeah I think so
ornate rose
maybe
true hound
yea
balmy wolf
@fiery oasis definitely 😂
forest raven
I wonder what Lip's winrate is across the entire season
viral veldt
Missed the last map because I had to go home from school 😢 😢
little tusk
Oof
hazy ruin
who won
forest raven
Over 90%?
hazy ruin
i missed cuz my alarm didnt go off
sonic olive
Shock
balmy wolf
sonic olive
3-2
little tusk
Man I wonder if Ill be home in time to watch philly seoul
forest raven
Shanghai = no lip no win
balmy wolf
Memes aside, super is a good player but most importantly he has very good leadership. he just pumps out energy
sonic olive
Shd were just... Interesting
true hound
shoulda signed kabaji
balmy wolf
Seoul v SF game was more interesting imo
true hound
😔😔
hazy ruin
guess they underestimated them
ornate rose
2 more games coming up, so much owl tokens
little tusk
Kabji > striker tbf
balmy wolf
I was pretty happy to see them put fleta in so my boys could win
forest raven
That's true
neat lantern
super has band kid vibes
little tusk
Actual fact
balmy wolf
both seoul and shanghai games went exzctly the same way, funny
this game was pretty even for the most part
sonic olive
Super is such a dick but he's hilarious
balmy wolf
however the tracer diff is huge ngl
little tusk
Super is a good guy
true hound
he’s a funny man
little tusk
I like him
hazy ruin
super has a baby face
balmy wolf
super does it ironically
sonic olive
I love him
ornate rose
super's cool, i watch a lot of his streams
neat lantern
super was the "wheres my hug at" guy in hs
vagrant jacinth
pepehands
true hound
is Seoul bs philly next
balmy wolf
Lol
little tusk
Lmao
fiery oasis
Alil better
sullen berry
earnest leaf
glad to see danny doing interviews for non-koreans
fiery oasis
Just that extra smidge of striker better
true hound
Fusion players vs London spitfire players
Gg Seoul takes W
if Sado decides to walk into their team that is
pliant jolt
69%hook accuracy
balmy wolf
SMURF MVP
pliant jolt
nice
sonic olive
69% hook accuracy
Nice 
fiery oasis
Sadi Chado
balmy wolf
deserved
unkempt gale
nice
hazy ruin
naisu
unkempt gale
balmy wolf
deep wolf
unkempt gale
naisu
idle gorge
they should've mentioned that it's the funny number
balmy wolf
Super TF 'thot smeller' Delisi
balmy wolf
guys what do you think about bigoose and shaz leaving glads?
true hound
Dunno why you wouldn’t put carpe, one of the best widowmakers, onto fucking widow.. sure his hanzo is good but you literally have ivy for that
Sadiators
gloomy vector
its weird fork
ornate rose
balmy wolf
i mean its sad but they were the glads' weakest link
gloomy vector
like i associate them with glads
fiery oasis
I don't think SHD can come back from this. I think they're boomed
cobalt spoke
deep wolf
BUSAN
cobalt spoke
Nice
deep wolf
fuck
balmy wolf
especially bigoose its sad he left but he made wayyyy to many mistakes
shaz was good but it wasnt his best season
gloomy vector
wait you thought it was busan you must be tired
cobalt spoke
And its not gonna happen against shock
sonic olive
Sad for the LA Big Geese
little tusk
Heesu got almost 0 picks yday
balmy wolf
or kariv
little tusk
Theyll need carpe on widow
gloomy vector
omg imagine myiungbong on glads they could be good next year
little tusk
Aint nobody gonna forget carpes widow clutch
balmy wolf
Glads need to pick up myoungbong or kariv. just throw an unholy amount of money at them and theyll come
little tusk
On liyjang
true hound
Carpe clutches everything
little tusk
Lijyang
deep wolf
balmy wolf
Shanghai fans are really toxic
gloomy vector
but thats arguably bostons best player so not gonna happen
deep wolf
dragons are now in the gulag
little tusk
He cluctches my balls
little tusk
Yeah one of the best
vagrant jacinth
Straight to gulag
little tusk
Esp considering the stakes
balmy wolf
@gloomy vector yeah but what does he get from staying at boston?
vagrant jacinth
They'll bounce I back I beliiiieve
true hound
we all know
gloomy vector
well his contract
upper niche
So UberX casting this game?
true hound
Best widow is a very difficult argument
gloomy vector
yeah it is
mental vine
im starting to get the feeling that I should get SF shock gear for this year
upper niche
Nice suit 😄
true hound
if you want raw mechanical skill, it’s 100% Sayaplayer on widow or any hero
no contest
balmy wolf
We need jay3
gloomy vector
thats why saying youre good at widow isnt a great accomplishment imo
at least at a pro level
true hound
but there are many contenders, KSP, Carpe, ANS, birdring, etc etc
mental vine
Time and time again, SF shock is the FIRST Co-Korean/US team to be unstoppable
true hound
Saya is king but so are many others
little tusk
Saya aimgod
true hound
everyone’s just kinda got good aim lul
little tusk
What happened to him
true hound
injury
velvet mesa
no chipsa no win
balmy wolf
We need a better meta
little tusk
Shoutout pine tho
true hound
idk anyone who has a combo of those both in OW
balmy wolf
Double sniper isnt really suitable for a tournament
little tusk
Over like every game ive seen
gloomy vector
i mean we got more chipsa matches than i ever thought that was gonna happen this season
true hound
ppl say ANS is best aimer but I’m like tracking is a part of it too :/
No disrespect to ANS ofc
Arguably the best widow next to a few
true hound
TS
little tusk
Idk if saya flickef a lot
true hound
but that’s not big in OW I guess
little tusk
Whats ts
true hound
Maybe if you play ana you need lots of target switching
little tusk
Ah
gloomy vector
yeah i dont really think ans is the best widow but i dont think carpe is better than him
gloomy vector
zarya is the best char for tracking
true hound
I think decay is one of the best widows 100%
Because of his insane carry performances against good teams
He just does it somehow
neat lantern
Profit isnt really the best tracer but hes my favorite to watch
unkempt gale
what are they wearing
gloomy vector
whatever mrx is wearing looks weird
neat lantern
yeah i love profit
unkempt gale
they out here wearing shanghai and dynasty
little tusk
I mean every dps player is a god tier aimer already
ornate rose
LETS GO PHILLY
little tusk
Ppl like danteh etc are nuts as well
true hound
Ye
neat lantern
i think striker is better tho for sure
ornate rose
mental vine
literally Shock is the ONLY diverse team being consistent and dominant
gloomy vector
linkzr can be super good
true hound
just inconsistent but that could be down to Muma being so bad at the game
neat lantern
im very behind on OWL i used to watch religiously
gloomy vector
what is this music???????
little tusk
Yah
dawn monolith
goddamnit I afked and then the game was over, who won?
mental vine
literally moth is basically the ONLY american that hasnt switched @ all in the playoffs
sonic olive
Shock
little tusk
Linkzr is a bit like pine
sonic olive
3-2
little tusk
Can be very flashy
neat lantern
fleta on genji good times
dawn monolith
let’s goooo
mental vine
like literally have you seen moth got subbed?
little tusk
Has philly vs seoul started?
gloomy vector
yeah moth is very good at stability
neat lantern
Moth is a very good support
mental vine
he is the ONLY white dude in a most dominant asian team
ornate rose
Moth and Viol2t both really good supports
true hound
watching shadder genji a great
mental vine
no question they are gods
little tusk
Isnt necros better tho
gloomy vector
well he is a good mercy weirdly enough
little tusk
Necros is maybe less versatile than shaddet
true hound
Necros is very like
mental vine
mercy AND lucio
balmy wolf
necros lmao
gloomy vector
like saying youre a good mercy is weird to me
true hound
Necros can get too aggressive at times
IMO
Shadder feels a lot more controlled and ints less
balmy wolf
shadder was getting scouting by OWL teams before his injury
mental vine
i mean have u seen moth doing the 1v1 against florida's tracer
neat lantern
mercy is more than point and click
balmy wolf
necros is a ladder player
little tusk
Mechanically I feel like necros is the best genji
true hound
However I don’t think anyone tops Necros mechanical skill lol
balmy wolf
shadder is a flex dps
mental vine
im just so happy shock is the best diverse team in the league
neat lantern
im rooting for seoul soley bc of profit and gesture
mental vine
not korea dominated team
neat lantern
miss them on london
sonic olive
Cmon Seoul
gloomy vector
oh i know mercy is more than just point and click but it sounds weird that someone is a good/main at mercy (i mean at a pro level)
cobalt spoke
Who thought shock would lose?
ornate rose
mental vine
lol as i watched grand finals right now i literally forgot about fusion and seoul
gloomy vector
like being a lucio main is impressive to me but mercy just is weird
mental vine
because dragons and shock's game is just so long
balmy wolf
Smh, Seoul robbed again from being the home team in their home country.
neat lantern
i unironically think mercy is fun to play
cobalt spoke
=/= 🍆
ornate rose
yep @little tusk
little tusk
Rip ip still on train home
sonic olive
Heesu jesus
upper niche
because dragons and shock's game is just so long
@mental vine OWL have never been good at keeping matches running to a planned schedule - or scheduling timeslots.
little tusk
This time table SUCKS
gloomy vector
i honestly want philly to win this and for them to beat the dragons it would be peak comedy
then for them to lose to shock
and get 2nd place
mental vine
@upper niche which is why i forgot about fusion and seoul instantly
upper niche
Remember Season 2 when they tried to change the allocated timeslots to 90 minutes when in Season 1 less than 50% of games had taken less than 2 hours?
cobalt spoke
Yea, but first philly has to take down someone they already lost to
ornate rose
why fury on dva instead of sig
mental vine
yea but they probably learned from their mistakes
little tusk
Is carpe on widow
ornate rose
carpe on tracer
mental vine
tbh shock is an inspirational team
gloomy vector
like no joke i rather have seen justice play if philly is playing like this
mental vine
like people believe that an ALL-korean team would be superior
but like this team, its so unique
tawdry hamlet
And here I thought they were #1 Na like 3 weeks ago
dawn monolith
so whoever wins now goes against Shock tomorrow, right?
mental vine
whoever wins the loser bracket
balmy wolf
If gesture doesn't get mvp for his hog im raging
ornate rose
winner of shanghai game goes to finals
balmy wolf
ball/dva lmao
dawn monolith
oh my bad, I can’t read 
mental vine
striker CLEARLY carried ans
ornate rose
fury needs to get off dva
pliant jolt
carpe????
deep wolf
ornate rose
mental vine
is it just me or is my tokens not even updated
deep wolf
why arent these aligned
gloomy vector
this is what i mean this is snoozer if it continues like this i wish justice made it so the underdog story would still be there
i honestly might take a nap for the dragons game later
ornate rose
carpe finally switched
gloomy vector
i dont think dynasty was the underdog tho
tawdry hamlet
this meta switch kind of shit on them
gloomy vector
like they had a honest chance against dragons
tawdry hamlet
I mean not an underdog but obviously a tier below shock and dragons
ornate rose
i feel like dynasty will 3-0 fusion 😦
tawdry hamlet
they were 4th in most power ranking vids I saw
gloomy vector
like they did well against both teams
tawdry hamlet
I think on paper they were the underdog
gloomy vector
i am
tawdry hamlet
but in performance are going off
shut fossil
so hi everybody today well today is a 100$ bet
upper niche
Yeah, they did
gloomy vector
like those tourneys gave teams free wins
upper niche
But the free wins stuff was fucked the way they implemented it - or changed the way they were going to implement it last minute.
ornate rose
2 final blows for carpe 😫
deep wolf
philly got stomped :/
shut fossil
alright if seoul win this it's a 230$ return
upper niche
The free wins were originally supposed to count as wins only - not matches played. They changed it to be matches played - so SFS ended up with a lower percentage. If it had been the other way, SFS would have had a higher win percentage with the 'bonus' wins.
tropic herald
Gesture saw 1.5m for winning and now he tries
strange ridge
who is the manager for the fusion
azure geyser
Carpe needs to be on hitscan. His tracer ain’t it.
strange ridge
im gonna have to give em a call
upper niche
So in reality teams didn't get bonus 'wins', they got bonus 'matches played'.
ornate rose
just put carpe on the widow
strange ridge
^
ornate rose
let heesu play hanzo
strange ridge
put carpe on widow and take heesu out
balmy wolf
imagine winning both tournaments and still not being #1 seed
upper niche
74 owl tokens. 26 to go, oof.
pliant jolt
why not ivy hanzo carpe widow for next map
north tendon
lol
north tendon
carpe wont change anything tbh
strange ridge
heesu's gotten like 6 kills in total in the past 4 maps
north tendon
philly outclassed
pliant jolt
poko hog? jk
strange ridge
also take out sado for poko
gloomy vector
yeah philly just wont ever win
strange ridge
sado is doing nothing
gloomy vector
its funny but so sad
tawdry hamlet
lmao the hear me cheer thing about to get fucking memed
shut fossil
@strange ridge it's Kim Dong-gun his number is TBD
strange ridge
what
tawdry hamlet
unless they filter it someone is going to say some dumbass shit
pliant jolt
actly just put chipsa on hog
north tendon
^
hazy ruin
wait so is shanghai dragons locked at 3rd? whats the next match after philly v seoul gonna be?
north tendon
this guy gets it
strange ridge
chipsa might get more kills on widow than heesu
north tendon
put chipsa hanzo
hazy ruin
yes
north tendon
you know its nasty
hazy ruin
chipsa hanzo
azure geyser
Whoever wins this v Shanghai
upper niche
Put Chipsa on Symmetra.
quartz cairn
chipsa mercy
upper niche
See if he's any good 😉
pliant jolt
they didn’t even bring chipsa to korea cause hog is still meta
hazy ruin
@azure geyser thx and then its gonna be seoul v shanghai (lets assume) and then shanghai/seoul v shock again at finals??
upper niche
doom in to hanzo widow/ashe lol
north tendon
ye ik aka
gloomy vector
LUL even in the react thing theyre getting fucked its 70 to 29 LUL
hazy ruin
doom into hanzo works bro
north tendon
profit is the real clutch tbh
hazy ruin
^
true hound
chipsa hanzo 🙏🙏
hazy ruin
they should have brought chipsa in instead of carpe honestly
true hound
it’s actually pretty good lol
hazy ruin
chipsa could clap carpe any time
true hound
this is true
strange ridge
there's no way sado and heesu aren't getting dropped next season lol
gloomy vector
can we get another bumzo
north tendon
i think sado is gone
weak bolt
Heesu wont get dropped
He's arguably the best sombra in the league, and with how often Sombra becomes meta, you want that
hazy ruin
@strange ridge if there is next season lol, its gonna be OW2L most likely
north tendon
get kaiser on philly
tawdry hamlet
oof poko!
gloomy vector
yes Poko
north tendon
oh shit
azure geyser
Poko!
north tendon
here we go
tawdry hamlet
oof no carpe
strange ridge
thank god
tawdry hamlet
interesting
strange ridge
why is heesu still in
pliant jolt
POKOOOO
strange ridge
why have they not swapped heesu
strange ridge
go back to the vods and count how many kills heesu got on widow in all 3 maps
ornate rose
oooh poko is in
pliant jolt
are they gonna run sombra
gloomy vector
well they lose when they had carpe for the shock match and when carpe wasnt playing they won LUL
pliant jolt
if not why keep heesu
strange ridge
because carpe can do better
weak bolt
Carpe is so overhyped its ridiculous
hazy ruin
he is better than heesu tho
strange ridge
he might be overhyped but his stats are just better
deep wolf
carpe is as streaky as linkzr
gloomy vector
its not like carpe is bad its just he might be at least a little overhyped
weak bolt
Carpe's Widow can be near invisible a lot of the time
hazy ruin
and who was subbed in for, ik he is overhyped but the hype is because he is OG season 1 and he is popping this season
weak bolt
Carpe is a great tracer, but outside of that he is only good.
hazy ruin
his widow good too
tawdry hamlet
Xzi is better widow than carpe bet
gloomy vector
well gg philly
hazy ruin
i love seoul's style
balmy wolf
lol this is a coaching diff
deep wolf
it feels like philly doesnt have any coordination
strange ridge
yeah
neat lantern
my boy profit poppin
balmy wolf
philly does not understand this meta properly
hazy ruin
they leave one person on cart and then win the fight and then CHASE them after they win fight
strange ridge
yesterday on volskaya they were playing like plats
deep wolf
seoul just walk in and get kills
hazy ruin
^
tawdry hamlet
The second they fall off the meta philly just go brrr
weak bolt
Philly just aren't that good of a team. They are only really good when the meta truly favours them with Monkey/Sombra
hazy ruin
its very rush down even if its not lucio meta
azure geyser
They were solid double shield too
hazy ruin
like this chasing down style and staggering their opponents i like it, you dont see it a lot because they themselves might die but they time it so well that they dont
azure geyser
But the hog meta has exposed them
hazy ruin
why is hog still meta tho
weak bolt
Double shield they were ok, but they got like 13 games worth of playing awful teams at the very start of season
hazy ruin
he got nerfed right
balmy wolf
I like to think that Seoul has one of the best plager synergy of all teams.
weak bolt
OWL is on the patch without the hog nerfs
azure geyser
Yeah but they are still using the old patch
strange ridge
just a dps diff
neat lantern
philly throwing
hazy ruin
but why?
gloomy vector
whats the record for this map?
pliant jolt
this is just sad
hazy ruin
god already capped 2nd
gloomy vector
this is just not a good match
hazy ruin
5 minute something @gloomy vector
gloomy vector
so sad
deep wolf
profit 
strange ridge
LOL
gloomy vector
i was joking i knew they wouldnt get the record
strange ridge
thats actually bm
pliant jolt
?
balmy wolf
seoul still winning lol
true hound
profit 🙏
deep wolf
ok hear me out
pliant jolt
lmao
hazy ruin
this just goes to prove APAC > NA except shock which is on par with APAC
balmy wolf
Profit with the 900 IQ bait
deep wolf
is chipsa currently in NA
weak bolt
Yes
deep wolf
fusion dominated in NA
neat lantern
fits popping
weak bolt
Fusion didn't dominate NA. They farmed easy teams because of their region and it gave them an inflated record lol
hazy ruin
dps ana kek
upper niche
Well... at least Philly will get some funds to pay for the travel for coming 4th ;p
pliant jolt
LMAO
gloomy vector
also what is chipsa actually gonna do agaisnt 2x sniper meta he would realistically get fucked
north tendon
so like are philly fans gonna stay quiet for the rest of the year
true hound
chipsa would 1v6 youre wrong
pliant jolt
creative > ivy + heesu
north tendon
lol
fiery oasis
I'm worried about SHD tho
north tendon
this is just oof
upper niche
Philly 5 weeks ago were better than this.
azure geyser
Fusion was great all season they just didn’t thrive in this meta.
balmy wolf
uhhh
true hound
just dont do the nyxl pls
gloomy vector
wow he actually said dps diff
balmy wolf
gesture has looked like the best hog this playoffs
fiery oasis
Who came closer to beating shock ?
upper niche
I completely expected something like this to happen, a big break and teams just... forget how to play.
north tendon
I love how shanghai coach tweeted is this ez as fk?
upper niche
Dynasty.
true hound
they need to fix that fucking wall
true hound
there are numerous walls throughout maps that are glitchy af you cant climb on w/ genji hanzo
upper niche
SEO v SFS was way closer than SHD v SFS
gloomy vector
honestly i dont know if dragons are gonna beat dynasty again like last time it was super close
north tendon
yeah seoul seems really good
gloomy vector
and they just lost
fiery oasis
Thats what I'm worried about
north tendon
then again its all about adaptation
upper niche
There's a very real chance we'll see a SEO v SFS final
true hound
y sub out the fish
upper niche
it would be bizarre as hell, but... yeah
fiery oasis
Seoul have found their grove with fits popping tf off
north tendon
its profit anything is possible
gloomy vector
yeah i wouldnt be surprised if dynasty vs shock finals
north tendon
yea fits playing out of his mind
hazy ruin
honestly i would still want to see #1 APAC vs #1 NA
pliant jolt
unfortunately its actually dps diff
hazy ruin
no chipsa no carpe = no win
true hound
kekw
weak bolt
Fusion are just bad at this meta. Outclassed in tanks & dps
strange ridge
top level overwatch play btw
north tendon
also gesture is so disgusting on hog
true hound
marve1 with the 1 hp flux pepelmao
north tendon
def like a top 3
pliant jolt
alarm invented bionades?
hazy ruin
fuck online class
azure geyser
Heesu isn’t halfway to his ult wtf
weak bolt
Even Alarm is doing nothing special
fiery oasis
I don't think stand1 can match gesture
north tendon
yeah stand1 isnt as good but he was decent imo
worldly coyote
Wait so whoever wins here still have to go against shanghai?
weak bolt
yes
north tendon
that gibraltar game tho was nuts
fiery oasis
And we can forget about fleta
weak bolt
Winner of this vs SHD to earn that Finals spot
strange ridge
top 2 heesu kills in the last 2 maps
gloomy vector
i mean if philly win this i just cant see them beating dragons
and even less see them beating shock
strange ridge
yeah
pliant jolt
the thing is even if carpe was overhyped, heesu literally has not done anything in the past few maps
fiery oasis
This GF just shows how big the gap is between shock.......dragons.......Seoul..................Philly....................everyonelse
hazy ruin
i have a legitimate question: how do they manage to mirror each others comps without knowing and in spawn?
azure geyser
If Philly win this they have to completely change something. This Seoul team could make a run though
true hound
carpe is good lol
sullen berry
they know what they're playing
sullen berry
they have the kind of knowledge only pro teams and scrims will give them
fiery oasis
If Philly win this they have to completely change something. This Seoul team could make a run though
@azure geyser practiced comps during scrims and it's still a guessing game they aren't sure of a mirror till they see the other team
sullen berry
If philly wins this (it's only recent success but it's really hard to watch)
hazy ruin
but like some times they have different things, like Seoul vs SFS on hollyowood Seoul went pharah first and then switched after they had double hitscan
gloomy vector
heesu missed?
shut fossil
wtf the hitbox is shit
gloomy vector
he literary was standing still? it looked like
shut fossil
he litteraly shot him in the head
strange ridge
i've been saying since the first map yesterday to take him out lol
fiery oasis
Server prob
shut fossil
how the fuck is that a miss
fiery oasis
Lol they playing on ladder servers 😂
deep wolf
fury keeps missing important hooks 
weak bolt
It's almost like Philly have a problem with their mental. In big games, they disappear
hazy ruin
heesy poppin
fiery oasis
I don't even think Seoul care about this point lol
hazy ruin
lol facts
strange ridge
it wasn't the hitbox btw, he just missed
strange ridge
i went back and looked and it was to the right of his head
fiery oasis
They need eqo, feels like he's the only one that can change that mental
true hound
profit absolutly owns the killfeed
fiery oasis
LOL heesu
neat lantern
hanzo shoots redwood trees out of his bow
hazy ruin
why is funnyastro on mercy
if he was on lucio
and they had a main healer
it would be ez popoga hyperclap
fiery oasis
If he goes Lucio then alarm will prob go moira
pliant jolt
no mercy = insta lose
hazy ruin
how
fiery oasis
Ahahah gesture just doesn't care haha
hazy ruin
they are running double sniper
pliant jolt
its crazy how many times funnyastro has rez’d them
hazy ruin
literally they dont need damage boost cuz they one shot anyway
pliant jolt
they need rez
ornate rose
😦
fiery oasis
Gesture alpha hog
gloomy vector
i just cant see how they can win this
hazy ruin
but do they really
strange ridge
comically large dps diff
hazy ruin
is the rez that necessary
weak bolt
Fusion just being outclassed in all 6 roles. They need to take a risk and do something totally different
gloomy vector
also the healing from mercy is greater so they let this comp play better
hazy ruin
they need to stop mirror comping
fiery oasis
Funnyastro spoke alil too soon
azure geyser
Yes. All damage boosted headshots on tanks chunks people.
gloomy vector
they can really play anything else well tho
like they brought out the dva and it didnt work'
fiery oasis
Have they ever switched comps mid match before?
vagrant jacinth
This is a wild finals
gloomy vector
but i dont even know if dive could work
weak bolt
I think you go for the Sombra/Ashe with Hog/Sigma/Zen/Mercy
fiery oasis
The gap is just so huge
sullen berry
gloomy vector
also if they switch comps mid match the ult diff will be so great
sullen berry
guess the team
vagrant jacinth
Lmao
gloomy vector
so sad
weak bolt
Philly fans wishing that the grand finals had come 1 month earlier
gloomy vector
this is why i just cant see the dragons as the underdog with this consistency
fiery oasis
Kudos to Seoul for pulling their socks up and turning into a literal top 3 team in the league
hazy ruin
woah when did they play busan match lol
deep wolf
PHILLY SHOULD JUST PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER AND WIN 4HEAD
hazy ruin
i didnt even see that
fiery oasis
Right? It ended so fast
pliant jolt
they know they’re gonna lose if they mirror again, why not just try dive
fallen holly
this tank and dps diff is insane
hazy ruin
i love how when fleta left seoul they became top 3
weak bolt
Seoul aren't really a top 3 team over the whole season. This meta really really helps them
weak bolt
It's a bit like S1 London. They were ok all season, then play off meta was huge for them
true hound
gesture hog is too good
fiery oasis
Yeah the meta is diff and they're popping off
gloomy vector
well thats the luck in ability based esports
like metas will rise and fall teams just have to get past that
fiery oasis
Gestures hog is the most alpha I've seen, well supers solo queue hog agnst SHD was even more alpha
hazy ruin
omg thank god its friday dude i didnt want to do one more day of online school
gloomy vector
if a team is able to win then they realistically deserve to be there
neat lantern
gg fusion lol
weak bolt
The way this is going, Fusion are only just earning more than Justice for this whole season 😄
hazy ruin
honestly i wonder if justice was there instead of fusion
would it have gone differently
dark hedge
ayy shock beat dragons
gloomy vector
maybe but prob not
weak bolt
Dont think so, Zarya seems to be very out of meta now
dark hedge
also why is fusion getting rolled by seoul
neat lantern
i was hoping for dragons tbh i think they deserve to win it all
fiery oasis
Nah I think the gap is too big between the top and the rest
gloomy vector
that wasnt a tank player
hazy ruin
@dark hedge just like yesterday lol
trail gyro
Why is Custa breathing so heavily
gloomy vector
i still wish they made it
trail gyro
is it the swedish fish
dark hedge
fusions just boomed lmao
trail gyro
ah
neat lantern
seems like it
pliant jolt
hes sad fusions losing
neat lantern
i like watching fusion lose
dark hedge
poor philly
deep wolf
fusion needs chipsa 😔
weak bolt
NA really is look like a poor region apart from Shock imo. I reckon if you put NYXL or even Chengdu in here, they'd beat Fusion
neat lantern
profit is a chad dps
true hound
indeed
next mesa
we wouldn't know, but as far as we can tell
earnest leaf
Remember this is a weird meta shift
true hound
🙏
next mesa
shock is just on another level
earnest leaf
So still kinda a toss up
true hound
i feel SHD is shock level except in consistency
neat lantern
i miss S1 london spitfire
dark hedge
did shock run anything stupid against dragons
shut fossil
dragons
gloomy vector
yeah also some metas help more than others like some NA teams could be better then some APAC teams depending on the meta
weak bolt
I think we have to go Shock > SHD > APAC > NA
true hound
legit we had a repeat of the same 2 maps, Shock goes clean on the first 2 and then Seoul/Shanghai actually got into shape and fucked them
next mesa
I like dynasty more obviously, but I don't know if they can take down shock, I trust dragons a bit more
true hound
Shock comes in strong and even if theyre down theyll eventually get back up
autumn basalt
philly rolled gg
next mesa
shock koth
true hound
SHD and Seoul come in weak and then fuck when theyre down maps
next mesa
is too good
true hound
exactly
gloomy vector
no i wouldnt say all of apac is greater then the rest of NA but for the most part yes
weak bolt
Shock vs SHD is the final we need after this season
next mesa
you know
next mesa
im surprised
true hound
couldnt get clean map wins b4
earnest leaf
Imagine if they played super hog instead of smurf hog
weak bolt
Anybody else outside of SHD/Shock would be a bad end to season imo
earnest leaf
ez 3-0
dark hedge
who wouldve thought philly would come in 4th place
next mesa
That nobody has played dive yet
next mesa
runaway?
earnest leaf
shd tried dive
true hound
beginning of this szn titans
earnest leaf
but shock forced them to go more ball poke
true hound
w/ fissure jehong
next mesa
dragons tried dive against shock?
gloomy vector
could dive even work when ppl are running hog like this
next mesa
I see
dark hedge
og titans didnt look that great at the start of the season tbh
next mesa
@true hound easy 4-0
hazy ruin
i wonder how NYXL would do
next mesa
shut up nerd
hazy ruin
true hound
they looked good until that whole fallout thing @dark hedge
weak bolt
Dive is just not going to work. You're going to get Discorded & Hog headshot and boomed
true hound
they ddint scrim for like 2 weeks in a row
and got yoinked by charge and like chengdu
cobalt spoke
Ball sigma works though
balmy wolf
so far no team has a tracer good enough to mirror striker
weak bolt
Ball is disruption to allow your hitscans to kill stuff. Totally different to dive
cobalt spoke
I think ball sigma is shocks way of bringing up the tempo, the slow paced hog gameplay is not their style
Hence why they havent lost control points with it yet
weak bolt
As #1 seed, Shock will get 1st pick on KOTH map right? Could be huge
earnest leaf
Shock has looked good on hog when super plays it
upper niche
getting way too tired to stay up watching... 'this'.
balmy wolf
once smurf is hog its just gg for shock
weak bolt
I feel like Shock will come out and 4-0 tomorrow honestly
upper niche
Bit of a shame that it's mostly a mirror meta
earnest leaf
imo it always just ends up moth/viol2t and striker are on another level to their competition
little tusk
How do grand finals happen btw?
weak bolt
2 matches going 3-2 will scare them and they'll be super motivated and just dominate
little tusk
Shock gets map advantage?
true hound
@little tusk bo7
little tusk
Or like a point to begin with
true hound
i think thye get first map pick
weak bolt
I think Shock get 1st map pick, that's all
little tusk
But if sfs loses
upper niche
@little tusk I don't believe so? OWL have never run their double elims like that.
little tusk
Then theyre done
little tusk
While lb players basically got a 2nd chance
true hound
lip is like a chad
ionic mica
Yo Shock won right
upper niche
I remember back when we used to do that in CPL.
next mesa
like
true hound
@ionic mica ye 3-2
weak bolt
The biggest advantage to Shock is that they play 1 less match than the other team
next mesa
can he go sombra
next mesa
no
true hound
shanghai almost reverse sweeped them until striker went sicko modd
upper niche
ie, to win from the lower bracket, you had to beat the winner of the upper bracket (to take them to the lower bracket), then beat them again.
little tusk
Yeah but does shock get no advantage for winning winnersbracket?
ionic mica
Me
hazy ruin
@little tusk wdym advantage?
weak bolt
The advantage is map 1 map pick, and playing 1 less game
dark hedge
kk
little tusk
Lower braket teams get a second chance
next mesa
They should though
little tusk
If shock loses now they're done
next mesa
try sombra
ionic mica
Sometimes OWL seems rigged.
dark hedge
also why tf is hanzo meta all of a sudden
ionic mica
like they force it 2-2
true hound
hanzo better than ashe because of sonic
elfin venture
Why did shd choke against sfs
next mesa
shock's already in grand finals
upper niche
OWL is very.... 'american'. In all of the bad ways.
true hound
@elfin venture idk
little tusk
Yeah because they won everything
weak bolt
Because 0 shields and no mobility makes double sniper OP
next mesa
I don't get it
upper niche
But admittedly the double elim bracket thing you're talking about isn't really the worst of things OWL do in their implementation.
next mesa
why aren't they putting carpe on widow
true hound
bcuz theyre smoking
elfin venture
@weak bolt I rewatched it and they should have picked hog and sombra
weak bolt
Perhaps his Widow hasn't been good in Scrims
upper niche
Less 2CP more Escort! 😦
next mesa
dude
next mesa
they are smoking
they are so stupid
it's last map
and they don't put carpe
ok gg they lost
weak bolt
There must be some logic behind it. They must have had reason to commit to Heesu Widow
upper niche
carpe just wants to go home 😄
hazy ruin
lol
true hound
carpe just wants to be higher than 2nd place
true hound
in the beginning