still better than Roar
#esports-discussion
silk frost
true hound
lmao
upper niche
bahahah I only just saw the clips from the Mindfreak G vs I40 Contenders game that got both teams fined - WTF? 😄
earnest leaf
Twitter
balmy wolf
justice off-season is gonna be the hottest thing when the season ends
its the repeat of last season of they do well very late, but they were never able to replicate that success into s3
upper niche
I don't even understand the point of Yeatle's rant
balmy wolf
sounds like an ad for teams
i think its cool for him to purse a pro career, but dont slander your way into it
digital cloud
Yeatle comes across as a huge moron here
silk frost
"Idk bro Ameng is good but I'm better I swear"
hot heart
Is it even an argument that ameng is the best ball on the planet or not?
The man fucks top OWL teams with his ball i dont understand where yeatle was coming from
He plays ladder
Even if its high mmr
It isnt OWL
"I think a lot of people overestimate the gap between TOP T3, T2 and OWL."
-Yeatle
Top t3 against i think any owl team would get rolled
Top t2 is a different story
silk frost
Does he think that Flag Gaming, him, and Shanghai are close?
static shell
He plays ladder
@hot heart right but when you one trick a hero chances are you’ll be better than a pro on that hero if they just practice them 10 times vs other heroes maybe 50+ times
Like I don’t watch much APAC but I don’t typically see a lot of ball
Granted if you had a ball defined meta then yeatle would probably be asked to be picked up by a team
Not just from gameplay but also the fact that he knows his stuff when it comes to ball
earnest leaf
You do know that ameng has been playing ball since s2 right?
even during goats
Chengdu opts to play around ameng because of his ball
I gurantee they would take him over a ladder player who has played a bit of t2/t3
hot heart
right but when you one trick a hero chances are you’ll be better than a pro on that hero if they just practice them 10 times vs other heroes maybe 50+ times
@static shell true but at some point you just cant get better. OWL players are just really talented.
But yeah i wouldn't say yeatle is a bad ball
He's OWL level on that hero maybe
But idk
But he def isnt as good as ameng
Imagine stepping to the Yotta chad
balmy wolf
He may be better, we’ll never know until he gets poached by an OWL team and face the others in same conditions.
And there is no point in trying to find « who is the best ». Among may have done exactly what coaches ask him to do, you cannot criticize this with ranked player’s eyes that is instructions-free.
feral zodiac
Yeatle comes across as extremely insecure about his ball in that post
alpine idol
sour magnet
@graceful remnant @worn falcon you forget how flexible bumper is, he went from a support player to off tank to main tank, if his play style needed adapting he has the skill to do that
sullen berry
you forget how flexible hotba is, he went from a off tank player to dps and back to tank, if his play style needed adapting he has the skill to do that
sullen berry
Give it two weeks from now mate
It's the weekend of 9-11 October
You've got the whole next two weeks to make content
Post your hot takes, predictions
feral zodiac
Imagine seoul win
sullen berry
And the most important thing the bants on which team played poorly all season
Why wouldn't I at this point?
The Hangzhou Spork should have played up to last year's success but failed
sullen berry
Charge had a terrible read on this meta or was unable to put Eileen in during the most important time of the season
WAS about to 3-0 SFS and send them to loser's bracket back then
That would have been the perfect predictions bracket killer
Way before Boston's spoiled 95% of all submitted brackets
plush grail
boston sux
hot heart
What if i told you boston are the best of all time
hidden vault
The only team that surprised us is probably shanghai
And maybe val mayhem and eternal if you consider the middle pack
upper niche
Just wait til Season 7 when NYXL finally make the finals 😄
remote cradle
guys when will the nexxt owl live stream be (i need owl coins)
gaunt acorn
@remote cradle grand finals weekend begins october 8th
remote cradle
so long long time
hot heart
Neptuno just dunked on yeatle
limber pine
hot heart
Hopefully
feral wing
he aint good enough
quartz cairn
dallas then sell him
spark sequoia
hi
shy sun
If not one contenders picks up Yeatle I will just stop watching this shit altogether.
hot heart
Ah yes because one player doesnt get picked up ill forget about the whole of t2
Go watch yeatles stream
Dont watch t2
shy sun
Are you stupid? Yeatle is mechanically gifted.
The fact that he hasn't been picked up in the hour is insane as it is.
feral zodiac
Are you stupid? Yeatle is mechanically gifted.
has yeatle proven himself on anything at a t2 level besides ball
@shy sun
shy sun
He's not going to be picked up by an OWL team.
karmic grotto
If I'm correct, he's LFT Contenders
shy sun
He is going to be picked up by a contenders team.
feral zodiac
So
shy sun
Exactly. Arguably a top 5 prospect.
I would argue that Pines is better but there's a need for tank players.
karmic grotto
?
hot heart
This dude doesnt make sense
Anyway, in a few days we're going to see goats coming back
@karmic grotto true goats is gonna be super fun
What are the goats teams again?
karmic grotto
Twitter
Twitter
so far I've seen 2 of them posting it on twitter. We may see others
inb4
They gonna get Harbleu in there to play Zarya
shy sun
Because Pine wanted to play in a contenders team. I just learned that he's under a streaming contract with NY.
raw ermine
Yeah the saints
spark shadow
hot heart
Grimreality
Silkthread
Jesus its been so long
Gonna be fun to see them play again
Karivs team is probably gonna roll agilities team
plush grail
Has yeatle ever achieved anything
cobalt spoke
No
plush grail
How is he gonna "coach" the best ball player in owl
cobalt spoke
Ameng did look kinda sloppy there tho, ngl
Yeatle honestly wouldnt make those kinds of mistakes, but then again hes not in owl
cobalt spoke
Because he thinks he is
plush grail
he's legit just calling ameng inexperienced and mediocre
plush grail
ameng has probably hit rank 1 too
cobalt spoke
No he didnt
cobalt spoke
No
plush grail
he'd make it for sure right
cobalt spoke
Yeatle is a wrecking ball + off tank player, that doesnt get you anywhere
He plays ball zarya and dva
Thats a hero pool that just doesnt mesh with any team
cobalt spoke
He is
But he wont join a team because he is a ball otp basically
No owl team will pay a player 50k to otp, other than like chipsa
plush grail
i'm pretty sure ameng is the closest you can be to a one trick
if ameng can do it can't yeatle do it but 10x better
keen aurora
yeatle is rank 1
feral zodiac
if ameng can do it can't yeatle do it but 10x better
@plush grail ?
keen aurora
ISnt bumper on titans
feral zodiac
No
keen aurora
which
feral zodiac
He isn't on an owl team rn
earnest leaf
I think people also need to remember people are put on owl teams for reasons besides mechanics or skill in the game
feral zodiac
cough season 1 cough
earnest leaf
heh
plush grail
@plush grail ?
@feral zodiac mans is claiming ameng is a ''mediocre'' ball
yeatle has such a big ego
lost alot of respect for him
is a ladder ball but claims to be the best
and right after his lft post he uploads a video where he calls the best owl ball bad
keen aurora
roolf and carcar worst support duo
hot heart
and right after his lft post he uploads a video where he calls the best owl ball bad
@plush grail lets see literally Any OWL team pick him up now
torn fossil
so im confused about something
why does NYXL play against asia region
and paris play against the US region
earnest leaf
Paris was in the USA for the season and played in the na region
NYXL moved to korea and played in apac
earnest leaf
also nyxl moved because they were in NY and it was getting giga fucked by corona so they dipped out of there
next mesa
true
feral zodiac
Yeatle lmao
next mesa
he really trying to coach ameng when he's like barely contenders
green stump
Personally.. despite yeatle sounding like an ass, he wasn't entirely wrong either, ameng did play rather poorly in that game
inland flare
That's what I'm saying
He pile-drive out in the open and gets hacked knowing they have a sombra
Ameng should've gone winston tbh
viral veldt
Chipsa just said if yeatle had a 1 week of high tier scrim time with a top tier team he thinks Beatle would be best owl ball
What y'all think?
hot heart
No
digital cloud
chipsa is not someone that knows anything
feral zodiac
Nomegalul
hot heart
ChipSa is the clown we look to for entertainment
Nothing else
If someone like carpe said it
That'd be a different story
torn fossil
also nyxl moved because they were in NY and it was getting giga fucked by corona so they dipped out of there
makes sense
next mesa
if yeatle makes it to owl and ends up shitting on ameng then ill take it all back
karmic grotto
well he first has to prove himself
I can see him being a better ball than otp boston signed
silk frost
I mean Muma was a good winston with his mechanics and his primal usage/leaps were pretty clean
I don't need to explain why having good tank mechanics doesn't mean you're a good tank
true hound
They’re ladder players
If they’re coachable
They will be some of the best
I have no doubt in my mind that a player like ml7 will do extremely well in OWL with scrim time and good coaching
digital cloud
there is no way to know how they would be
true hound
He is an extremely good player
digital cloud
so is harb, yeatle, and dare I say chipsa
true hound
I mean yeah you don’t but let’s not put up this massive wall between ladder and OWL
digital cloud
all get crushed in owl
digital cloud
dva is not even necessary any more, but yes that is a problem
true hound
Chipsa is a very good doom player but is kind of washed on his other heroes
Dva is necessary
Like extremely
Because she’s the most picked hero across all of OWL seasons
As much as people want it harb will only ever be signed for PR
digital cloud
because she was does not mean she will be
so was chipsa
so harb could, but I would say that is a bad idea
true hound
kk lemme rephrase
Like actual playtime
Harb would get 0
unless it’s something that favors him ofc
same with Chippers, only time you’d play him is during a Doom meta
true hound
he was gonna be played anyways I think
That one week
but they opted for a torb pick instead
if it’s like a 100% no brainer Doom meta there’s no reason to put chipsa on the bench
digital cloud
they had better options than chipsa
digital cloud
any of the dps they had could have picked it up better for OWL level
true hound
Well yeah but PR
It’s not like they needed another dps
they have enough flexibility already
true hound
Regardless, Yeatle in OWL would be fine with enough scrim time and coaching.. same with any Ladder player who has been consistently good for many, many seasons
digital cloud
chipsa would not be ideal
true hound
It’s just a matter of a lot of adjustment
I think individually plenty of players are extremely good
despite being non-OWL
digital cloud
well yeah, muma is one
true hound
they just need to be coachable
true hound
ik
if you can’t apply your skill there’s no point
But if the player is coachable
Go for it
that does make me wonder who will be signed next season for PR
digital cloud
I sort of doubt any are
true hound
eh ya never know
true hound
yea
digital cloud
yeatle sort of crashed an burned
true hound
man just gotta get on dva (harb)
true hound
yeah a lot of people say she’s really good
next mesa
harb could be owl if he had a dva
digital cloud
he does
he just dislikes it
I doubt it is any good either
but he probably isn't any good anyway
next mesa
his goal right now is still owl
well his hero pool is like
sig/ball/zarya
i dont know
digital cloud
only reason I ever sort of saw him having a shot was cuz he was a tf2 pro
but he washed out of t2 basically
so I don't have high hopes
hot heart
I think he might have missed his peak
If that makes sense
I think when people compare ladder players to people like ANS jjonak
They dont realise how geneticist freakish they are
ANS and Jjonak are just built different
And while yes
Yeatle chipsa and harb are all good
They dont have the same potential as ANS or jjonak
digital cloud
well, that may be true, but . . . most of OWL does not
so I am trying to compare them to the average I guess
feral zodiac
Why are you comparing harb chipSa and yeatle to ans and jjonak
digital cloud
who are you asking
feral zodiac
They dont have the same potential as ANS or jjonak
Yeatle chipsa and harb are all good
Hm
true hound
ANS is a good point considering he’s literally been a ladder widow one trick majority of the time, popped into OWL, and now he’s like one of the best widows
could easily see ml7 doing the same thing
or someone else
digital cloud
not the same
true hound
how is it not the same
they were both ladder players
Praised well at their heroes
ANS had like barely any T2 experience
digital cloud
point is he wasn't just "some ladder player"
and ladder players can make it to OWL
I never said they couldn't
but most streamers I think have a fundamentally different playstyle
digital cloud
so?
true hound
Most considered him as a ladder widow one trick
hot heart
I followed ANS for some time
digital cloud
doesn't mean he wasn't any good
raw ermine
Crusty is a god tho
raw ermine
he could make Yeatle useful
true hound
Crusty is a god indeed
true hound
Chipsas doom is extremely good as well
digital cloud
not owl level
true hound
what defines OWL level
digital cloud
sinatraa and sparkle crap on him
true hound
Because chipsa has never played in that environment
so individually yes
He is good
If he is coached
He will be good
They literally said they WERE going to play him in a doom meta
digital cloud
I guess it is a bit hard to quantify what qualifies as owl level, but when you are going to be crapped on by any doom in owl, I don't think you qualify
true hound
Who says he will be crapped on by any Doom in OWL
there is legitimately 0 way to prove that
digital cloud
you can think all you want he would be decent enough, but no owl doom loses to him
true hound
And you know this how
digital cloud
I am basing this off of his performance on doom in owl against the titans
in which he barely did "well" even with all resources pumped into him
true hound
Ok
Jesus Christ
Why does this argument come up
HES PLAYING DOOMFIST
DOOMFIST
DOOMFIST GETS PUNISHED SOOO HARD
true hound
Sinatraa literally gets the SAME AMOUNT of resources, same with ANY DOOMFIST PLAYER
true hound
They have resources going into them?
How the FUCK do you play doomfist without resources at a top level
digital cloud
and they did better
true hound
It’s legitimately impossible
digital cloud
I never said give no resources
feral zodiac
sinatraa and sparkle crap on him
@digital cloud basing chipSa against probably the best two doomfists the league has ever seen is not exactly fair
Haven't read the rest of the argument
digital cloud
I also said leave and blase
feral zodiac
I cba
true hound
All doomfist players need resources
One meme match is pepega to go off of “becAuse hE goT harD pockEted”
even a dogshit team will punish a doom without resources
No matter how beautiful the engage
Because doomfist is bad hero
digital cloud
in which he barely did "well" even with all resources pumped into him
true hound
he did well
digital cloud
where does it say no resources
true hound
he literally did well
digital cloud
it does not
digital cloud
that is not what I was talking about
feral zodiac
Wtf is the argument
true hound
then what is your indicator of doing “well”
https://youtu.be/HXlNC8nyj2Q I would argue the doomfist play in the first map by Sinatraa is bad..
Chipsa didn’t fuck up really besides that punch off the map
digital cloud
the argument, nope, is that chipsa is not good enough to be in owl
I am saying that, and Zalty disagrees
true hound
I say that on Doom he will do well
true hound
he has fusion on his side anyways
He’s knowledgeable on the hero brings in the PR and can scrim and play if there’s a meta that favors him ez clap
green stump
Even if a doom meta came, sparkle will likely take the crown in that
raw ermine
a
next mesa
chipsa def owl level though
because if we think about it
carpe has owl level doom
and chipsa > carpe in doom
therefore chipsa owl level doom
next mesa
kaiser
true hound
necros
karmic grotto
bruh
as someone said
necros wins 1v1, but sparkle wins teamfight
however, necros is a good genji mechanically
obviously when you one trick genji since 2016
true hound
def
hot heart
Necros is if sp9rk1e was roided up even further
Not in terms of skill obv
But like reaction times
true hound
if we r talking raw mechanics alone necros is probably #1
hot heart
I mean
true hound
but like thats not all there is to genji sparkle probably has the best blades
hot heart
I dont watch necros but obv i know the guy is fucking sick at genji
Hmm
Has anyone heard from myungbong
true hound
myunbong probs getting mad offers
hot heart
Definitely
But
From who
Glads would benefit with him
ATL
Washington but not as much
He's gonna make bank next year
And i think he knows it
Imagine myungbong in the hands of someone like crusty
Also
I feel like kevseter could possibly leave glads
He's so good
He must be getting offers rn
inland flare
-Washington Justice needs a Main Tank
-Needs to keep Decay on their team at all cost
-Need another Main Support
umbral zodiac
sparkle plays genji smarter than necros
umbral zodiac
haksal is super smart but messy in my eyes
inland flare
Any thoughts what I say about the Justice
hot heart
Honestly
Everything you said
Should happen
Ark probably gonna retire
Pick up fissure mag or someone else
inland flare
Nah, I doubt that
umbral zodiac
just need to make ttuba learn more niche heros + that list and Washington will look good next season (maybe get another OT that can play zar/sig)
inland flare
Isn't he from the mayhem
hot heart
Yes
Slime maybe?
He def wants playtime
Washington or gonna need to really shell out to he contenders next year
*be
hot heart
I think
It was on the off-chance tobi gets sick
Or falls off
Slime was a top 2 MS last year
umbral zodiac
who wouldn't pickup a Titans player
raw ermine
Tizi went to a contenders team then to military service.
umbral zodiac
2 years
digital cloud
Does Ans still have service to do?
grizzled mango
Pretty sure every active Korean players still have it left. Only old players like rjh would have done it
umbral zodiac
mandatory service is a death sentence for most sports players, having 2 years off of your prime kinda fucks you up
raw ermine
Jeez I saw mandatory death sentence
karmic grotto
chipsa losing weight
grizzled mango
For sure esport is more forgiving though, if you are capable of being pro over multiple games
But at the same time esport players don't have a chance to win an Olympic medal
umbral zodiac
esports is different in that you won't necessarily be out of touch, but be replaced by younger more capable talent
grizzled mango
Could be but mandatory service time has decreased quite a bit so if you did at relatively early age you can still do well
Rjh did his service before ow and did fine transferring to ow
umbral zodiac
if you did it before you had a career you're fine
still kinda sucks to restart tho, but you just gotta adapt with what you have
grizzled mango
Mandatory service is dumb af but something that kinda has to exist still
umbral zodiac
the dumb thing is NK not mandatory service
feral zodiac
But that might get political so let's not discuss it
grizzled mango
It is
next mesa
Mandatory service is still
umbral zodiac
nope is right
next mesa
25 months or something
grizzled mango
As someone of korean descent I can tell you its pretty dumb
Its less than 2 years now if you do army or navy
umbral zodiac
roar is like nosmite so eh
next mesa
21-24 months
feral zodiac
bad
next mesa
It's not that dumb
grizzled mango
My God thats offensive to nosmite
umbral zodiac
roar looked decent on Winston idk what you're on about tbh
feral zodiac
Ty
grizzled mango
And making every male in the country take time years off after university has shown to have an economical impact on a lot of people. @next mesa but like nope said not really relevant to esport
Roar will prolly become a coach next season
karmic grotto
cringe
digital cloud
It is pretty relevant since it literally takes away players
next mesa
esca
grizzled mango
Well I think most players would have gone past their prime at that point but there are always exception
next mesa
I mean if every male takes time off then the impact will be lower, considering everyone has to do it
grizzled mango
Escape changed to pubg before he started his service
next mesa
idk bruv
yes I know
but he will play with jehong after
same team
so I don't know
grizzled mango
Prolly not as big of an impact but thats 2 years less on experience and time to start a career. I'm not gonna explain the whole thing but the older generations are suffering financially in parts because of it
Idk if esca is coming back to ow
next mesa
yeah but like everyone has 2 years less?
so it's kinda like
equal playing field right?
ok yeah you prob know more than me on this
grizzled mango
Yes and a lot of the older generations are suffering because of it financially
next mesa
I know the fact that you can delay it till you're 28 though
grizzled mango
2 years less of experience and salary. Korea's social security sucks
It also has less tangible effects like i said though necessary but just dumb
karmic grotto
You guys still talking about this? cringe
grizzled mango
No it was 7 min ago stop being nosy. Cringe
feral zodiac
Did runner finish his service?
grizzled mango
Mhm he's running the runaway lol and ow team
feral zodiac
Runner running the runaway
grizzled mango
feral zodiac
No pls
raw ermine
Runner did his service a couple yrs ago
tropic herald
Runner has been done with it for a while
grizzled mango
Yeah i think he finished sometimes last year
karmic grotto
Gator suggested owl/contenders pug/tournament
I think it's a great idea to expose bad owl players and good Contenders players
digital cloud
that would be awesome to see
or like a gauntlet for owl
with contenders and owl teams
I mean, the gauntlet is like a tournament, whatever
umbral zodiac
owners wouldn't want that but it would be cool to see
raw ermine
Have contenders trials but for OWL
4 worst team plays top 4 gauntlet
Best of the 8 gets signed to the worst OWL
2nd best 2nd worst
ETC
not only uprising acad leaves contenders, but boston up leaves OWL lmaooo
digital cloud
also something like a draft from contenders would be cool
I don't really like it for football, but it would really go towards making tier 2 actually worth doing
karmic grotto
Not a bad idea
To sign the Contenders teams (of age of course) who win against owl teams
next mesa
yes
it's actually a really good idea
I read this esports novel right kinda irrelevant
but there's a pro league, and every year the bottom 2 teams gets kicked out
and in the off season, there's a massive tournament where it's like open division
and the winners gets signed
yes what gator suggested basically
karmic grotto
But he wanted only a tournament
Not a change in structure
However
This would be a way to integrate Contenders in owl
Because too many great players don't get a chance of getting signed
KAISER
Too long in the scene, he never get past Contenders
Some players are hardstuck Contenders
karmic grotto
Rumours though
feral zodiac
Not in terms of playing the game, but in terms of how he interacted with the teams
karmic grotto
next mesa
maybe didn't find the right team
feral zodiac
I do know that harb didn't do that great when playing for teams though
grizzled mango
Nope he's benched by yakpung
feral zodiac
Yakpung is decent though
grizzled mango
he would be an upgrade for like bottom 4 teams
grizzled mango
I guess bottom 4 teams and 3rd place NA teams
feral zodiac
he would be an upgrade for like bottom 4 teams
@grizzled mango idk how he compares with fusions on rein
feral zodiac
I would like the idea of relegation/promotion if the t2 scene wasn't dead
grizzled mango
I dont think fusions is that good. I think hes only there to igl
next mesa
well it would be more alive
if there's just a chance for owl
I guess
like an easier ticket
grizzled mango
Promotion will neber be a thing since owl is franchised with 20m buyin
grizzled mango
I dont mind the idea of contenders vs owl team but most owl teams will sweep most contenders
next mesa
no like the bottom tier owl teams
grizzled mango
Even some worse owl team vs best contenders team
next mesa
vs the top tier contender teams
I don't know
I think boston is a contenders team
not gonna lie
like the really shit tiers boston/defiant
grizzled mango
people overexaggerate how unknown contenders are. And I advocate for better scouting but people think there are good players stuck in contenders
its especially rampant today after that yeatle nonsense
next mesa
contenders is pretty unknown
feral zodiac
I dont mind the idea of contenders vs owl team but most owl teams will sweep most contenders
@grizzled mango you'd be suprised
grizzled mango
Vostom just has shitty coaching players are fine
next mesa
it's like 1k
next mesa
yeah I mean the top tier contender teams vs bottom tier owl teams
grizzled mango
Good players from contenders get picked up. Especially next season it will be even more true with open trial
grizzled mango
And I see people complain about NA contenders never getting picked up but just go watch the gauntlet. One team that did well in it from NA got majority of players picked up
feral zodiac
Scrims are how they pick up players
Owl teams scrim contenders teams to gauge who they might sign
grizzled mango
I mean owl can't have everyone.
feral zodiac
From what I've heard that's how tay1o was signed to shock
next mesa
that was only because titans exploded
grizzled mango
Taiyo got picked up from open trials
Although I do bet lower owl teams scout during scrims
next mesa
yes
next mesa
who won na gauntlet
grizzled mango
Not well
grizzled mango
Na hasn't won gauntlet but Atlanta academy came 2nd
next mesa
oh
grizzled mango
Like the whole roster is in owl.
next mesa
yeah my bad
earnest leaf
korean t2 is op
feral zodiac
What about eu vs na
grizzled mango
Like i said if you do well and are good you get picked up
next mesa
koda, gator, funnyastro, hawk
grizzled mango
There isn't gauntlet this year so we won't know but korea t2 is usually >>>> anywhere else
grizzled mango
fusion uni dominated na contenders and went to kr contender to be mediocre
Yeah and although diversity in the league would be great, that's the reality of the situation
next mesa
I remember seeing some twitlonger
where the guy who was like 4600 for consecusive seasons were complaining about how if you're korean in overwatch you have a massive advantage
digital cloud
I mean, it isn't like they have a genetic advantage, it is just how the culture is
grizzled mango
I would take those claims more seriously if there are NA teams that performed well in gauntlet that don't get picked up
grizzled mango
I wrote an essay long ago on why esport was dominant in korea too bad its gone now
Esports is more accepted if that makes sense
earnest leaf
I think esports is a much more support and understood thing in korea
grizzled mango
There were tv channels dedicated to watching esport 10 years ago. Even in NA now thats not a thing
true hound
isnt faker like regarded as a god in KR
i mean hes regarded as a god everywhere but like
grizzled mango
it all started with starcraft and pc bang boom
true hound
hes a national icon
grizzled mango
He's well known among young people for sure
digital cloud
he pretty much is here
I know a lot of people that don't know squat about esports that have heard of him
grizzled mango
Faker is such a catchy name too
next mesa
yeah I don't play league but I have watched a few videos about him lol
raw ermine
went to faker's page on liquipedia
this was a trivia entry
"He is the undisputed best player to ever touch League of Legends and is considered by many to be the most influential esports player in the world."
next mesa
well, yes and not even close
next mesa
no dm coaching allowed
digital cloud
I mean it probably technically is but not here
next mesa
yes
digital cloud
in this chat
ancient pollen
Gotcha ty
cobalt spoke
Ok
Where is all this shock doubt coming from?
Shock lost one game to philly 3-0 during hero pools
And everybody says shock washed
Or shanghai is gonna beat them in finals anyway
Shanghai could be the best team but they play in a region where the next best team is soeul, so ofcoure they are gonna be dominant
earnest leaf
People's doubt of shock does confuse me
They had 4 losses all season 2 were flukes from a poor meta read and they roll those teams now anyways, one was to paris who had sparkle had carrying in a meta perfect for them and barely lost, philly also lost to paris then
Then the last loss was to philly in a meaningless meta and had just beat them 4-2 in the countdown cup a couple weeks before
then just beat them 3-1 in a meta people heavily favored philly in
Although I won't guess on shock's chances vs apac teams because we have no idea
cobalt spoke
Ok, now lets look at shanghai
How many other teams are in shanghais region? 6? And they are all at mayhems level or below? Hmmm
jagged crater
who's the best non-korean dps player rn?
jagged crater
There's 5 unrelated kims on this list
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/570672959799164964/758170268203089980/unknown.png
might as well not have a last name
jagged crater
have not been paying attention so 🤷
digital cloud
shockwave
jagged crater
ksp?
jagged crater
from that list, who would u replace with a western player?
hot heart
Kevster could be an absolute nut next year
karmic grotto
If he's on low ping
I think NA teams should just go to Korea
And play with low ping Internet
hot heart
True
Korea is safer
But that doesnt really say much seen as America has the highest amounts of cases if im not wrong
And korea is the capital lf esports
So finding talent there will be ez as hell
karmic grotto
What are you talking about? 
edgy tinsel
@digital cloud @jagged crater it literally says asian region btw
oh wait
u were replying to a different point
nvm
empty saddle
sullen berry
https://youtu.be/VdXoWJT6lMA
Despite how much I hate that image
Your going to know someone who watches this in 2025 and go "whose this guy lol"
hard flint
Go spitfires!
upper niche
I watched that this morning - the cards actually look kinda good... but I still can't think why you'd want to buy OWL trading cards, nor know of a single person who's bought any 😄
simple canyon
anyone knows if there will be another open division tournament this year?
next mesa
did you really just say that all the other apac teams are mayhem level or below
that's just disrespectful
if anything mayhem is london level
and the rest of na is just garbage
edgy tinsel
i agree w that tbh ^
umbral zodiac
London is more like reign/defiant level but yeah
feral zodiac
I'd put london below the reign tbh
But then again it's reign
So nothing is off the table
next mesa
you really just mushed reign and defiant in 1 level
feral zodiac
If u watch the games
Logix did more than agilities
His back must be so bad right now
edgy tinsel
london definitely not around defiant level
If regions were mixed there would be shock philly then like all the apac teams
imo
earnest leaf
I'd be suprised if london/seoul/spark got anywhere past mid tier in na tbh
Apac hella overrated
shd only consistent team there
earnest leaf
eh
worn falcon
i would put Seoul at Glads level
earnest leaf
Seoul is like justice
poopoo pretty much all season with flashes of brilliance
then get a perfect meta for them and boom teams with it in playoffs
no I don't think seoul is as bad as justice
just similar with how the season went
plush grail
i mean the entire season has been dallas vs fuel and seoul vs dynasty tbh
red anvil
if you guys think Seoul is Dallas/Glads level, then sorry. Your straight up wrong
next mesa
and also seoul went to map 7 in may melee
so like
they alright
except in regular season games they are straight up poopoo
except against london
red anvil
they had one period they were poo, over the whole season they were alright
the 7 game lost streak was eww
hot heart
Seoul is the team i bet could pull something off
cobalt spoke
Sigma hog could be bad against these teams and souel could get rolled
hot heart
Not win anything
But
Make something close
Against shock they'll probably get rolled
grizzled mango
Seoul is a hit or a miss they are ass half the time dominating half the time
hot heart
But
grizzled mango
Depends on meta but on most prolly get rolled yeah
hot heart
I could see them taking a map or two
cobalt spoke
If souel were to lose to shock 3-0 does that mean shock is better than shanghai? Because shanghai just went 3-2 with them
and thats whats expected
hot heart
I think all these teams will improve alot in this break
But
The difference between them
grizzled mango
I think shock is better than shanghai
hot heart
Is Shanghai and shock have the higher highs
Philly are extremely good
But
Not enough to beat shock or shanghai at their best
cobalt spoke
Why do some people think apac is more "competitve" it has 1 good team and the rest are inconsistent or bad
raw ermine
Bruh I swear to god if chipsa wins OWL
grizzled mango
Apac was very strong earlier in the year. I think it has evened out since then. Either way, I think average apac team is better than average na teams
cobalt spoke
Yea
grizzled mango
If phily wins he wins the championship. He is still part of the roster
cobalt spoke
Ok
earnest leaf
there are more good teams in na than apac imo
cobalt spoke
Yes
earnest leaf
really SHD is the only consistently good team
london/seoul/spark were inconsistent af all season
Nyxl was decent but never won anything
karmic grotto
nyxl needs a new coach
earnest leaf
Charge did decently but won the one off tourney like paris
cobalt spoke
And chengdu is meta based
grizzled mango
I think seoul in certain metas, charge, nyxl would do well in na
grizzled mango
Apac was more competitive whole year imo less so later though
cobalt spoke
Ameng bad
feral zodiac
Remind me what Dunning Kruger is,
grizzled mango
He would fit in really well with some people at #overwatch
feral zodiac
Idk all these reddit terms
feral zodiac
So
grizzled mango
Dunning kruger is that people that are ignorant are more confident @feral zodiac
feral zodiac
It's a very reddit term
feral zodiac
Yes
cobalt spoke
"Yeatle is a clown" yeatle is honestly better than ameng, ngl, yeatle did kinda explain why hes better multiple times
feral zodiac
Yubo
grizzled mango
If I pop off and get 50 elim in a game at bronze does that mean I am as good as someone getting 50 elim in owl
cobalt spoke
feral zodiac
If I pop off and get 50 elim in a game at bronze does that mean I am as good as someone getting 50 elim in owl
@grizzled mango nah, get 51 then you're better
grizzled mango
There's been plenty of counter point. I am not doubting yeatles skill but he hasn't shown any result other than doing well in open division and doing well in ranked, which doesn't translate at all to owl level
grizzled mango
Among didnt adept well to late young missing the game and getting more resources. Also apparently that was one of his worst map all season
feral zodiac
So remind me
cobalt spoke
Also he said he scrimmed most na contenders teams and was beating thwm sometimes
feral zodiac
Did yeatle say he would do better than ameng in all situations
Or just in that situation
earnest leaf
scrim bucks mean nothing
grizzled mango
@feral zodiac yeatle literally said he would have won chengdu the game
cobalt spoke
Yeatle isnt in conteders because he plays off tank and ball, not main tank
grizzled mango
Delusional take
cobalt spoke
Nobody needs an off tank + ball player
feral zodiac
That's a pretty yikes take
cobalt spoke
Thats so useless
cobalt spoke
Ok
digital cloud
ball is off tank
digital cloud
though I don't know who is ideally supposed to play ball
feral zodiac
I thought yeatle only played ball in contenders
grizzled mango
He started playing main tank starting with ball
digital cloud
given how zarya is played
grizzled mango
Ball is a main tank
cobalt spoke
Ball is not an off tank
cobalt spoke
Sais who
feral zodiac
where
grizzled mango
No its a main tank
feral zodiac
@digital cloud where
cobalt spoke
Liquipedia sais hes a main tank, owl sais hes a main tank
earnest leaf
Ball is not an off tank in any form
grizzled mango
But that doesnt mean you have to play rest of main tank to get a roster spot