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weak bolt
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Dallas seems the most likely for Nero imo. US based, likely to need some new DPS players. Pays large salary

raw ermine
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JJanu rein LUL

balmy wolf
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but hog still has a place in playoffs

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Shock won with it on Gib?

earnest leaf
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shock was getting rolled on it until they swapped

balmy wolf
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ah

stuck radish
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shock tried to defend with hog zarya on gibraltar defense but got rolled and swapped to dive on 3rd point

dark hedge
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yeah i think mayhems got this

tawdry hamlet
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I mean I thought philly had it from one teamfight too sadthonk

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I has eaten my words

fading nimbus
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after watching philly/shock play this match seems like children playing

dark hedge
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fate pog

stuck radish
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ans sombra has improved a lot

bitter egret
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meanwhile

little island
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jjanu OP

raw ermine
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Decay still has LAG spray?

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lmao

bitter egret
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i have a question

dark hedge
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does shock even have a good hog player

weak bolt
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Yeah, lots of players have their old teams sprays

little island
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super

balmy wolf
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choi

vagrant jacinth
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justiceee

bitter egret
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why is florida mayhem playing lucio moira with dive?

weak bolt
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Choi is a good Hog, but he's also their only real zarya

little island
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it's not dive it's rush

balmy wolf
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what a god

raw ermine
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AIMGODDDDD

bitter egret
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oh

balmy wolf
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sleeping that shit was spicy

fierce narwhal
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WJ

dark hedge
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bqb pog

fierce narwhal
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WHAT

fading nimbus
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wtf

fierce narwhal
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HOW DID THEY LOSE

vagrant jacinth
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oof

bitter egret
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i assume rush is just dive but you just leap the enemy team at really high ass speeds

raw ermine
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I thought WJ had more people tbh

bitter egret
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same

little island
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yeah they basically "rush" in

fierce narwhal
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yayyy

real gyro
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ok maybe florida bad

dark hedge
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theyre winning

fierce narwhal
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

gloomy vector
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i just cant see justice beating philly here assuming they win

real gyro
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ok maybe not

fierce narwhal
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HOWW

vagrant jacinth
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omg how

dark hedge
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justice choked

bitter egret
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@dark hedge i think eviltoaster would agree with ur user ngl

weak bolt
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Philly could suffer vs this comp as Sado could potentially hyper feed

vagrant jacinth
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ah man

bitter egret
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wait

dark hedge
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rip justice

bitter egret
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wtf was that pulse bomb from bqb

gloomy vector
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what was the bomb LUL

little island
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that's it

bitter egret
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maybe he thought someone was there

little island
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justice out

balmy wolf
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fate clutched so hard

little island
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lol

karmic grotto
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Lucky fate

gloomy vector
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yeah i guess that was a prediction bomb

dark hedge
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bqb tried to stick the sombra

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i think

vagrant jacinth
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pls justice

dark hedge
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justice lost

fierce narwhal
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How tho

gloomy vector
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ok ever since the website update ive been getting a unexpected error for the site

dark hedge
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even if they win well its gonna be hard to take ruins with zog

cobalt spoke
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Everybody said philly would win?

weak bolt
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Playing winston into this comp must be horrible

fierce narwhal
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like how

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did wj lose dat

bitter egret
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my favorite part of OWL is listening to the random "hello"s

gloomy vector
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no i said its a 50 50 on who takes the win

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but i thought it was gonna be a 3-0\

bitter egret
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bqb got fucking popped

gloomy vector
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so i was wrong on tnat

fierce narwhal
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ok good

weak bolt
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F for admin_bee

fierce narwhal
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wj has 5 ults

real gyro
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OBS BASTION has taken over

fierce narwhal
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so yea

balmy wolf
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bruh bqb just go tracer

fierce narwhal
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they still have 4 ults

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ez

dark hedge
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lmao he did it

bitter egret
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bqb trying to fade over to ana to kill her is a fucking mood

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did

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decay

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JUST ULT

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INTO

fierce narwhal
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GRAV

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OMG

bitter egret
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.

fierce narwhal
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GRAV

bitter egret
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He threw it right into DA

fierce narwhal
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PHAT GRAV

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very phat

bitter egret
fierce narwhal
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ez

real gyro
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decay 2 good

dark hedge
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i was kinda hoping justice would choke again

vagrant jacinth
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hot

balmy wolf
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charity grav

weak bolt
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Decay can use gravs on cooldown lol

balmy wolf
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its on cooldown

fierce narwhal
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lel

vagrant jacinth
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this'll be something

balmy wolf
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y'all dont understand. Decay used grav to bait out DM.

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LUL

fierce narwhal
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lul

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bc grav has a shorter cooldown than dm

gloomy vector
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i do want to see the photo thing but i dont use twitter so no

fierce narwhal
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with decay

dark hedge
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why arent they running snipers

bitter egret
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idk

fierce narwhal
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bc its not meta

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ig

bitter egret
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maybe they just want it to be fiesta

fierce narwhal
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idk

bitter egret
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no, it's definitely good on this map

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widow without that dropoff can still 1v1 widow cross map and win without doing like 120 dmg on a headshot

dark hedge
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i guess they want the sombra reaper to shut down decay

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also widow nerfs arent even live yet on owl

bitter egret
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yeah i know

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that's why i said

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without

dark hedge
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bqb?

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how did he lose to bob

balmy wolf
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wtf fla dps just fed

fierce narwhal
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because o>q

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o>q

dark hedge
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lmao

fierce narwhal
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lol

bitter egret
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uh

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if they want sombra reaper for decay

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and they also have dva to matrix ult

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decay carry?

dark hedge
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they have dva for hog

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i think

bitter egret
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wait is it so they can dm people to safety?

dark hedge
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nano bob pog

gloomy vector
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what they lose this ?????

dark hedge
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yea

stuck radish
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nano bob

bitter egret
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bob has better aim than all of us

gloomy vector
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ok i thought florida was bought o lose this

dark hedge
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its unlikely they win with zog on ruins

balmy wolf
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holy shit the dps fed again

dark hedge
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wait they might lose

true hound
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grav on cd

dark hedge
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ok nvm

bitter egret
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it really is fucking grav on cd

dark hedge
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they somehow won with zog on ruins

karmic grotto
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Of course

earnest leaf
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i stg if justice win this

raw ermine
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poggggg

earnest leaf
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and beat philly or some shit

true hound
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LETS GO DUDE

halcyon surge
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how many times has fate died jesus

bitter egret
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to be fair

vagrant jacinth
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leggoooo

fading nimbus
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the Russian Hooker comp wins again

fierce narwhal
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GGGG

bitter egret
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they didn't run ashe or anything else

vagrant jacinth
tropic herald
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Holy

bitter egret
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so they couldn't use range

balmy wolf
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goddam how are fla losing their dps before the fight even starts

weak bolt
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Winston is always gonna die a lot vs zarya hog, you have literally no choice

tropic herald
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Decay tracking is so nice to watch

true hound
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ikr

wanton birch
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LETS GO JUSTICE

dark hedge
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mayhem shouldve ran snipers

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smh

gloomy vector
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i hope justice beat florida and philly

halcyon surge
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they literally lose fate every fight

true hound
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@balmy wolf bqb is just hard inting into jjanu

lime bridge
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GO JUSTICEE

autumn basalt
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justice vs shangai

true hound
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i think bqb keeps trying to contest jjanu but straight up gets hooked and dies

autumn basalt
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please

tropic herald
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Winston feeds into Hog Zarya it’s just inevitable

bitter egret
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decay tracking looks like someone's having a controlled seizure with their mouse

balmy wolf
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yea idk wtf bqb is trying to do solo killing a tank when no one is near him to help

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die before the next fight even started

wanton birch
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YAKI KINGS SHIT

gloomy vector
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honestly i want to see justice finals and im not a decay/justice fan but it would be the best underdog storry

vagrant jacinth
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same

dark hedge
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i hope washington loses

autumn basalt
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i wanna see seoul vs justice

dark hedge
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no offense to washington

weak bolt
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I'd like to see Justice make it to Korea and then just get boomed by SHD

stuck radish
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philly shouldve run chipsa

autumn basalt
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me to

stuck radish
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they wouldve rolled shock

dark hedge
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but i would feel dirty if zog brought them to finals

halcyon surge
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naw

weak bolt
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Same heroes available to everyone, not like Justice are only team that can run zog

halcyon surge
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it would be funny if the 12th seed won everything

dark hedge
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i just hate hog

gloomy vector
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why tho if it works then it works its not like its a cheap comp

dark hedge
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lmao

balmy wolf
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Sucks for you ig

gloomy vector
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oh so a hate bias on hog

dark hedge
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ye

balmy wolf
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apac is hog haven m8

dark hedge
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pretty much

balmy wolf
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Better then double shield finals like last year

dark hedge
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i would take double shields over hog

balmy wolf
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dragons have even run hog to make it to the final 4

stuck radish
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imagine if philly loses to washington

weak bolt
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Hog isn't as powerful as Genji was in summer showdown, and everybody loved Paris in that meta

stuck radish
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unlooky

gloomy vector
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yeah i hate hog too but i still want to see this underdog story

balmy wolf
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I like shanghai story tho

autumn basalt
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yes

balmy wolf
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0-40 to champions

gloomy vector
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no dragons case is dif

halcyon surge
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0-40 to losing to the 12th seed

dark hedge
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Hog isn't as powerful as Genji was in summer showdown, and everybody loved Paris in that meta
@weak bolt i didnt like paris

gloomy vector
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like dragons this year hasnt been trash

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so its actually diff

balmy wolf
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Last year the werent either

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They beat ny shock and titans all in one stage

gloomy vector
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yeah

dark hedge
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they beat the top 3 teams back to back to back

balmy wolf
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When they all went goats and they didnt

weak bolt
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SHD is just a nice story, as an Org they went 0-40 in a season, so then winning a stage finals, and now to grand finals

dark hedge
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nyxl titans and shock

halcyon surge
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that was a diff shanghai

balmy wolf
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Still

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Its still shanghai

gloomy vector
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yeah thats why i dont care if dragons win

quartz cairn
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that was a whole diff team almost

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but i still support dragons

halcyon surge
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literally all 6 players were diff

gloomy vector
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its not the same team if it was the same team then sure

balmy wolf
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No

weak bolt
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Fearless was on S1 roster

gloomy vector
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but its not

balmy wolf
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Fearless

halcyon surge
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no i mean the one that won stage 3

quartz cairn
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fearless and like 1 other person

balmy wolf
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true

quartz cairn
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were the same

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i think

gloomy vector
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no i was just sayng its not the exact same team

balmy wolf
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Yeah I think luffy was s1

weak bolt
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and it's not just the 6 players, it's an org as a whole

balmy wolf
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or was it geguri

quartz cairn
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i think geguri was beginning of s2

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or end of s1

dark hedge
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geguri was late s1

quartz cairn
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completely forget . - .

dark hedge
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i think

weak bolt
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Geguri was end of S1

halcyon surge
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geguri came in like stage 3 of s1

quartz cairn
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did she play?

balmy wolf
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still 0-40 poor girl

true hound
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are they just gonna farm nanoblade

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decay has grav on cd

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it wont work

quartz cairn
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ye

autumn basalt
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shnagai

quartz cairn
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nano blade + mercy dmg = 1 shot

balmy wolf
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grav = no

quartz cairn
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so just dmg boost BqB till nanobladek

weak bolt
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Just deflect Decays gravs and gg

balmy wolf
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just win 4head

quartz cairn
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just cap 5head

weak bolt
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his grav & deflect cooldown are pretty well synced

balmy wolf
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just throw smile

autumn basalt
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click heads

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its that simple

quartz cairn
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indeed.

autumn basalt
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how are people in low ranks lol

balmy wolf
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Because they are bad but try to blame teammates

fierce narwhal
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lol

quartz cairn
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no

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because they dont become 5head

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and click on heads

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smh

balmy wolf
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Like if youre stuck in that rank for over 2 seasons, it isnt your team my guy

bitter egret
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"force the justice to be thinking"

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"but they just like going forward!"

fierce narwhal
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BOB V BOB

dark hedge
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bob 1v1

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pog

fierce narwhal
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yes

bitter egret
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decay with high energy nano'd

autumn basalt
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diamond border

weak bolt
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I swear we see this every justice game. Decay gets on point with grav and they win

autumn basalt
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plat

vagrant jacinth
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scary af

bitter egret
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gangjam missing point blank sleep

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me too

fierce narwhal
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DECAY

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ikr

dark hedge
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tf is gangnamjin doing

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he looked so lost

karmic grotto
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Justice are using their brains

raw ermine
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He is missing so many easy shots

bitter egret
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mercy should just damage boost decay

karmic grotto
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Leveling up real time

bitter egret
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also

karmic grotto
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ML7 would have slept Decay

bitter egret
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why the fuck was gangjam even in range of zarya

karmic grotto
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He was not

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Decay went to him

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And he died

bitter egret
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"WHAT IS GOING ON"

karmic grotto
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Punished for his position

bitter egret
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"GET THAT PAYLOAD MOVIN"

vagrant jacinth
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lmao

fading nimbus
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lol

vagrant jacinth
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jjanu

fading nimbus
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what a play

vagrant jacinth
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oof

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there we go

karmic grotto
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Wait until I buy a new mouse

dark hedge
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why did chris try to rez that

karmic grotto
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Then I'll start playing ranked and go back to playing Zarya

dark hedge
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i thought mayhem was better than this

karmic grotto
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How you mean better, Justice don't have that much extra time

vagrant jacinth
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ikr

dark hedge
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im not saying mayhems bad

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but they made very questionable mistakes

true hound
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boomed by zog

vagrant jacinth
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nah, this is pretty much how mayhem been playing all season

raw ermine
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Another missed one?

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that's something my gold brain would do

rotund reef
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anybody else getting unexpected errors?

cloud latch
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yup

fierce narwhal
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OBS BAASTION BACK

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RIP ADMIN BEE

fading nimbus
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gangnam playing strange

karmic grotto
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Jesus

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Dps dying for no reason

deep wolf
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adminbee left the game monkas

fierce narwhal
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BASTION

karmic grotto
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That's what I don't like

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For no reason getting killed

weak bolt
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I wonder how much of an advantage Justice have that teams probably have no way to scrim against this comp

deep wolf
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all the top teams scrimmed eachother in the monkey/dva bubble

weak bolt
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Did Ark just try to valk kill bqb lol?

karmic grotto
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Hahaha

deep wolf
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now justice is stomping them with bruteforce

karmic grotto
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Ask lmao

vagrant jacinth
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oh

karmic grotto
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Ark*

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Getting the pistol

gloomy vector
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wow

fierce narwhal
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APPPPPPPPPPPPPLE

vagrant jacinth
halcyon surge
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wow

raw ermine
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YAAAASSSSS

fierce narwhal
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YESSSSSS

karmic grotto
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That position from aimgod though

true hound
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BOOMED

vagrant jacinth
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leggooooooooo

karmic grotto
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Flanking Ana

halcyon surge
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justice didn't make a single mistake

gloomy vector
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florida = bad

halcyon surge
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tf

woven badge
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decisive af

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damn

halcyon surge
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their execution is almost flawless

gloomy vector
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like this was obvi strong on defense but on attack they got boomed

weak bolt
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I dont think Florida are bad, I just think this comp is actually incredibly strong vs Winston rush comps

karmic grotto
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Justice has been perfecting this comp

woven badge
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^

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they really have

vagrant jacinth
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totally

gloomy vector
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when i put ____ = bad its a meme

weak bolt
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It's just most teams don't have a great Zarya so can't mirror it

silk frost
karmic grotto
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While other teams play goats, they play the chengdu way

woven badge
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BQB LMAO

halcyon surge
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lmao

vagrant jacinth
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bqb's done

gloomy vector
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what map is bad for zog

karmic grotto
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That's gonna be a meme

dark hedge
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whens allstars

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next week?

weak bolt
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Volskya isn't great for zog

halcyon surge
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ye

dark hedge
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allstars skin reveal tmrw pog

halcyon surge
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anubis first point isn't that good either

karmic grotto
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Let them choose volskaya

gloomy vector
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yeah but if they take room then zog wins

karmic grotto
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Extra live scrim for justice

silk frost
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BQB gotta go get to the flower shop

woven badge
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volskya has been so good for justice

weak bolt
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Justice have played so much now though that they are prepared for most maps

gloomy vector
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wow i wonder what a gear memes

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means

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lol i put memes

vagrant jacinth
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junkahtaown

halcyon surge
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they dropped volskaya to shock tho

karmic grotto
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That's the advantage that Shock doesn't have

gloomy vector
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like you actually have to be bad to get these wrong other than the star craft one

karmic grotto
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Justice is building endurance and experience playing against dice comps

weak bolt
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To beat Justice it appears you need to dominate in the long range damage comps

karmic grotto
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Dive*

halcyon surge
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ye

woven badge
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justice is very upclose and personal

weak bolt
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Zen/Mercy/Ashe comps are best bet. But you also need to outplay Stitch

halcyon surge
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they need like long range plus ana for nades

woven badge
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outplay stitch lul

gloomy vector
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i was here for crunch time

woven badge
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next plan?

weak bolt
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Distract him with a tracer like Shock did

woven badge
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true

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but that requires a good tracer

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which rn isn't in high demand

silk frost
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reverse sweep

woven badge
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nah

halcyon surge
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mayhem aint the shock lol

weak bolt
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Yaki/Carpe are both crazy good tracers, so there is a chance. But never know

silk frost
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CRUNCH TIME

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CRUNCH TIME

weak bolt
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Philly vs Justice is going to be a case of can Sado avoid hyper feeding

balmy wolf
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i doubt mayhem can make good halftime adjustments like the shock can

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so this is in the bag for justice

woven badge
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mayhem also has to deal with the fact that they're losing to what everyone thought was the worst team

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which is ouchie

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mental game

silk frost
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looks at boston and houston
Y-yeah, worst

woven badge
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wasjus was literally a meme the entirety of 2019

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SHD 2.0

weak bolt
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I dont think anybody considers justice a bad team in this meta

next mesa
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Justice sus

woven badge
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right now? ofc not

next mesa
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Rolling everyone

balmy wolf
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houston had the right idea comp wise but their execution was poor

woven badge
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but 3 weeks ago?

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no way

weak bolt
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The moment Justice have to play a main tank, they're garbage tier again

woven badge
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^

silk frost
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Boston have been worse the whole season

woven badge
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justice have won the same amount of games in this playoff as their entire 2020 season

silk frost
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more, no?

woven badge
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thats still pretty poggers imo

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no i think its 4

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right?

weak bolt
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Any meta requiring a main tank and Justice probably went out in first round though lol

woven badge
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oh yea

feral zodiac
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If they win this they've won more

woven badge
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^

silk frost
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when*

woven badge
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EXACTLY

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WashingtonJustice LETS GOOOO

silk frost
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finally

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I feel like my nearest team is good

balmy wolf
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yea at this point u have to mirror justice

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sometimes wintson/dva is not worth running

halcyon surge
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ye

weak bolt
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Problem is nobody really had a good Zarya

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and like 0 practice on it

balmy wolf
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welp its not like mayhem gonna reverse sweep anyway

silk frost
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Fate would have to be on zar here

weak bolt
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would be funny to see Fusion come out with Poko/Fury tomorrow and play Zog

balmy wolf
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the apac region has embraced the hog

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dragons reverse swept against seoul using hog

silk frost
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did they?

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I thought it was back and forth

woven badge
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does anyone know how many brackets were submitted?

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obvs 0 remain, but how many originally?

silk frost
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like thousands

balmy wolf
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idk

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but the 1st match in playoffs 90% of the brackets were broken

weak bolt
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Was like 10k wasn't it? 500 were left after match one, which was 5%

silk frost
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150

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150 were left

woven badge
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thats so crazy imo

balmy wolf
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the majority thought boston would lose

woven badge
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ofc

silk frost
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I mean Houston shouldn't be so bad

woven badge
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its boston

silk frost
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they really shouldnt

balmy wolf
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and houston just dipped even lower than boston

weak bolt
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Houston did the smart thing and started their holidays early

true hound
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lmao

weak bolt
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Rather than losing a map 5 C9 later anyway

silk frost
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BRO

true hound
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the sad part is that the Pharah comp is actually good (we saw Profit fucking with it)

silk frost
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fuck houston

true hound
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outlaws r just braindead

weak bolt
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They saved you all that pain of a map 5 c9, you should be happy

silk frost
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THEY LOST

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TO BOSTON

weak bolt
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Boston didn't look bad in the Zog match up to be fair

woven badge
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they really didnt

silk frost
woven badge
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and jerry was pretty good

fierce narwhal
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what is zog?

woven badge
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zarya hog

fierce narwhal
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ok

balmy wolf
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but once the final 4 starts i think the meta is gonna be pure hog mirrors

weak bolt
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I reckon if Boston had ended up vs LAG or Fuel they'd have won their 2nd round match

silk frost
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not SFS

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SFS will play dive

balmy wolf
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nah all the apac teams rn are running hog

woven badge
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no

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apac is playing d.va winston

balmy wolf
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dragons got forced to get off dive and run the mirror to win

tropic herald
weak bolt
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Seoul is running weird comps, SHD had to mirror it a bit

halcyon surge
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ok but thats if the mayhem can execute it well

weak bolt
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NYXL are playing Genji at times, Apac is kinda weird

balmy wolf
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seoul is running hog which is meta, nothing is weird about it

woven badge
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not at all times

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nvm misread

weak bolt
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NYXL vs Dynasty should be a good game tomorrow

silk frost
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Seoul are running Hogma

woven badge
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apac is the deranged uncle that the parents are afraid of, but the kids love

true hound
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NYXL are playing Genji at times, Apac is kinda weird
@weak bolt well they do have haksal

woven badge
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^

true hound
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he can kinda do whatever he wants on that hero

woven badge
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haksal broken tbh

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he needs nerf

halcyon surge
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only one that can make genji work in a non-genji meta lol

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well until it doesn't work

autumn basalt
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i wish i would of found out about free leauge tokens at the start of the season

weak bolt
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League tokens didn't come in till mid way through, if that makes you feel better

woven badge
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and they're buggy af

autumn basalt
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yeah that does

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thanks

halcyon surge
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o no their running dive + genji again

karmic grotto
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Low IQ grav

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Why

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Could have saved it

deep wolf
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as if they need the grav

halcyon surge
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decay literally charges it up in a sec

deep wolf
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they didnt need it lol

balmy wolf
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What did I say

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ez 3-0

halcyon surge
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ez

woven badge
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ggs

true hound
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boomed

autumn basalt
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hog zarya cringe

woven badge
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was jus finals

balmy wolf
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Dont even blame it on meta

silk frost
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Muma once died 63 times in a match?

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yikers

halcyon surge
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lmao

balmy wolf
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People get triggered by the meta when their team gets smacked

autumn basalt
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im not

balmy wolf
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Florida could easily go the same thing

true hound
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not to mention they got like one week worth of scrims to actually counter it

balmy wolf
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welp justice are so close to actually being in the final 4

silk frost
balmy wolf
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Predictions:

halcyon surge
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why are they still running dive thats a gg

balmy wolf
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WASHIGNTON 3-0 EVERYONE

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LETS GET IT GAMERS

autumn basalt
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they might beat philly

halcyon surge
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will*

balmy wolf
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That one might be closer

silk frost
true hound
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florida kill 2 of justice's DPS but dont kill the other 2

balmy wolf
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9 yro

woven badge
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most played hero on assault maps?

balmy wolf
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Monkey

silk frost
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ashe

balmy wolf
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Maybe ana

woven badge
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its ashe

balmy wolf
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Of all time ashes used to not be played at all

woven badge
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specifcally asked for damage

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hanbin peak dps sr?

true hound
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this is just so unreal

silk frost
woven badge
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it really is

halcyon surge
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i feel like justice literally cannot lose against dive running it is basically suicide

vagrant jacinth
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ark???

woven badge
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which shock player is responsible for the chandelier bastion?

weak bolt
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Architect

woven badge
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okty

upper niche
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ahaha, I just woke up... what? 😄

woven badge
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i thought it was more a combo for me

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owl triva for tokens

upper niche
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I honestly thought this would be the end of the WAS run

weak bolt
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Think he ulted himself up there then sat on chandelier I think?

woven badge
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idk why i was thinking mei walled him up

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but yea that makes sense

silk frost
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The fucking social media bingo for mayhem

weak bolt
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Honestly the social media from most teams this season has been amazing

woven badge
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spawn kill smh

silk frost
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ever since the "You did 1 map better than your B-team" tweet Mayhem have been amazing

woven badge
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mayhem cant even win at this point

silk frost
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they can

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just barely

woven badge
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they can only draw

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realistically tho

silk frost
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fair

woven badge
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if they do that be clutch

silk frost
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OH MY GOD

vagrant jacinth
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OMG

true hound
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OMG

halcyon surge
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RIPPPPPPP

karmic grotto
woven badge
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SO CLOSE

vagrant jacinth
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holy fuck

halcyon surge
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stitch clutched that

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wow

true hound
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JESUS

woven badge
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THAT WAS SO FUCKING CLOSE THAT HURTSSS

silk frost
halcyon surge
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smol boi

silk frost
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I wanna put him in my pocket

halcyon surge
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stitch on widow

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nvm

silk frost
true hound
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no way they hold this

autumn basalt
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why

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tf

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do you have these

woven badge
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player cams

silk frost
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LOL I love them

weak bolt
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Probably just taking them with live player cams

silk frost
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yeah it's player cams

tropic herald
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Ok

vagrant jacinth
tropic herald
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Nice

woven badge
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ggs

raw ermine
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GG'

halcyon surge
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well gg

true hound
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GG

silk frost
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the Mayhem end their season in a wimper

vagrant jacinth
#

wild

weak bolt
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Justice vs Fusion, let me have it now

little island
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WILD

woven badge
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mayhem went out fighting tho

tropic herald
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Justice have dropped 3 maps in the post season

worn falcon
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Justice OP

vagrant jacinth
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philly next

worn falcon
woven badge
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it was so close to having timebank

halcyon surge
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they dropped 4 maps not 3

stuck radish
#

and now justice has to fight an angry and vengeful philadelphia fusion

worn falcon
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OT difference

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Now they need a MT

tropic herald
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Where was the fourth map again?

silk frost
halcyon surge
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valiant

tropic herald
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Oh yeah

gloomy vector
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ok so this is a comp it seems like only jutice wins on its not like goats where everyone can play it

tropic herald
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I forgot that happened lol

halcyon surge
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its like when shanghai found the counter to goats

weak bolt
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Who the hell do you scrim to prepare vs Justice too? Nobody else is playing Zog

silk frost
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scrim Seoul

stuck radish
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poor justice

weak bolt
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Can't scrim Seoul from NA lol

stuck radish
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if they win against the angry fusion then they have to fight the shanghai dragons

gloomy vector
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like i still dont believe justice beat philly like they can but i think the odds is 40% chances of winning i just dont see philly losing this match up but ima hope they can

silk frost
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that was the moment when Washington went on to 5-0 the Fusion

weak bolt
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I can see Sado hard feeding vs Jjanu

autumn basalt
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shangai vs washington

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lol

woven badge
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5-0 PogChimp

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shangai

silk frost
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poor Philly

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always coming up short

dark hedge
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how tf did mayhem lose 3-0

stuck radish
#

dw

gloomy vector
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man philly fans on suicide watch if justice beat them LUL

stuck radish
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philly will get 2nd place at least

weak bolt
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Justice just earnt themselves $250k winning that match

silk frost
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jesus christ

stuck radish
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no

woven badge
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if philly loses, are they out out?

balmy wolf
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the curse still exists for philly since its still a final

vagrant jacinth
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philly should stop them, hoping they flop though ZaryaLUL

silk frost
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Justice pick up Fissure?

stuck radish
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they have to fight philly first @weak bolt

weak bolt
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3rd place in Regionals = 250k prize pool

stuck radish
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wait

karmic grotto
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Wtf

gloomy vector
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yeah if philly loses to justice they are out

karmic grotto
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I thought justice had to play shock

stuck radish
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isnt that 4th place for grand finals

tropic herald
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Justice have one job

stuck radish
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no

tropic herald
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Beat Philly

karmic grotto
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This is bs

stuck radish
#

shock is already going to korea

tropic herald
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Come on Justice

weak bolt
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4th place is 350k, 3rd 450k, 2nd 750k, and 1st 1.5M

balmy wolf
#

winners finals grants you 1st seed

upper niche
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I was just wondering about that heh

stuck radish
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and justice got knocked into the losers bracket by shock earlier in the playoffs @karmic grotto

weak bolt
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So Justice winning that just got them $250k lol

halcyon surge
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nice

karmic grotto
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@stuck radish dude I know that

woven badge
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tying their franchise best in the finals lmao

gloomy vector
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yeah i want justice to win so bad so for that great underdog story moment

upper niche
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So Washington in the space of two weeks has gone from 19th to at least equal 5th.

weak bolt
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Maybe that'll pay for Decay for next season

tropic herald
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250k isn’t that much if you think about it

stuck radish
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washington is like 3rd rn

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they kicked the shit out of paris

halcyon surge
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wasn't even close

silk frost
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I feel so bad for Mayhem

weak bolt
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250k pays for you to run 5/6 of Boston's roster salaries 😄

gloomy vector
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oh yeah i forgot to put

silk frost
upper niche
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So Justice winning that just got them $250k lol
@weak bolt Yeah but 250k is nothing. It may only be 50% of that goes to players, and then it's split between them.

gloomy vector
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florida = bad

woven badge
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250k split among 6 ppl pluss coaching staff is pretty low

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31k at best

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per person

stuck radish
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as if 31k is just peasant money

weak bolt
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Still a large bonus for a good play off run

stuck radish
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lmao

tropic herald
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@gloomy vector silence Houston fan wut_cat

rare magnet
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who beat justice in play offs

dark hedge
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whats the situation in apac

woven badge
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31k more than they have now, ofc, but not that much for being 4th best in the world

dark hedge
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did dragons already win

halcyon surge
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shock

autumn basalt
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dragons stomped seoul

woven badge
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dragons won

autumn basalt
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and nyxl beat guangzhou

woven badge
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they are 100% in finals

weak bolt
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31k for winning 5 games isn't bad if you think about it that way 😄

autumn basalt
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so nyxl vs seoul

upper niche
#

250k split among 6 ppl pluss coaching staff is pretty low
@woven badge There are more than 6 players on the roster

tropic herald
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Dragons didn’t stomp Seoul, they did beat them though

upper niche
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And they dont get the full amount among the players

woven badge
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how many ppl are on justice roster

tropic herald
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There’s 7 players on justice, 3 coaches and then idr the management

weak bolt
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250k is still a nice bonus for an Org that likely wasn't expecting anything this season

autumn basalt
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yeah your right

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they got reverse swept though

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i think

woven badge
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so 25k per person not including management

tropic herald
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No

upper niche
weak bolt
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250k likely pays for Salaries of 1 or 2 players next year as an Org

tropic herald
#

Shanghai didn’t reverse Seoul

woven badge
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not reverse, but it was 3-2

tropic herald
#

It went Seoul Shanghai Seoul Shanghai Shanghai

upper niche
#

So basically the contracts were changed early in 2018 to require teams to not only provide 50% of finals bonuses to players, but that they also must be equally distributed.

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There were early player contracts that enabled individuals to take say 50% of any finals bonus for one player as part of their contract. They clamped down on that pretty quick.

tropic herald
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So they get ~20k each?

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Each player

woven badge
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just about 20-25k

rare magnet
#

have justice played philly in play offs yet

tropic herald
#

Mmm 18k it looks like

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No

weak bolt
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Wonder if they have to distribute any to players who have been on roster this season, like Ellivote

woven badge
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which is a pretty penny, but still kinda low for 4th best

tropic herald
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@weak bolt no

woven badge
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dont think so

tropic herald
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Being 4th best in NA doesn’t mean your are 4th best doe

weak bolt
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18k per player for winning 5 games, is pretty damn nice

gloomy vector
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@tropic herald anytime someone loses to justice i said that

weak bolt
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Roar getting 18k for warming the bench lol

upper niche
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Wonder if they have to distribute any to players who have been on roster this season, like Ellivote
@weak bolt They currently don't BUT I'm sure there's going to be a controversy one day in the future where a team drops a player just before a certain point in time to avoid a payout and that'll surely result in a change in the way the rules sit.

tropic herald
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I am anger

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How does one be a Houston fan

gloomy vector
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i mean how does one lose to justice PepeLaugh

woven badge
#

mek0

tropic herald
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Roar was supposedly being a part coach

upper niche
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Frankly the player roster rules in OWL are total bullshit. Typical US franchise sport crap

tropic herald
#

I mean how does one lose to Boston?

gloomy vector
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LUL

weak bolt
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Ask the Gladiators 😄

upper niche
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Teams should not be able to significantly change once a season starts.

tropic herald
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2 times this season too

weak bolt
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Rosters next year could be a mess, but then it's kind of needed

upper niche
woven badge
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justice just built different imo

weak bolt
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Teams like Fuel having to pay out salaries to AKM/Unkoe/Trill all season is kind of ridiculous

upper niche
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Rosters next year will be a joke with 30-day players. You're now supporting a franchise not a team.

tropic herald
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So teams were just expected to sit on 6 players for the rest of the season?

vagrant jacinth
#

bren ZaryaLUL

upper niche
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Rules on bonuses need to change so that they're divided to all players who were on the roster at any point for any period of time, in part to help stop this crap.

tropic herald
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Except leaving your team means you don’t fulfill your contract anymore

weak bolt
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Next year your team can drop you pretty much instantly though, so players can potentially be screwed over

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I mean I can't see it happening, but it's possible

autumn basalt
#

does anyone play tmr

tropic herald
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Yes

woven badge
#

philly justice

weak bolt
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NXYL vs Dynasty, and Philly vs Justice

tropic herald
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Seoul NY and Justice Philly

autumn basalt
#

what time is the nyxl game

upper niche
#

Next year your team can drop you pretty much instantly though, so players can potentially be screwed over
@weak bolt So much is wrong about the way OWL is run :/ It's just... too pathetically American to become successful 😦

weak bolt
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nxyl game is like normal apac hours

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Roughly 10 hours from now

upper niche
#

7pm AEST for SEO v NYE

tropic herald
#

Did they ever say the short contracts would stay for next season?

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I just assumed they were due to this year being a clusterfuck of issues

dark hedge
#

if there is a next season

weak bolt
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There will be a next season, rumours of it will be online again like this one

dark hedge
#

is it confirmed

upper niche
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I don't think there's any question OWL will continue in some way for a few years - but it may end up moving heavily to Chinese teams, particularly if they buy out franchises.

weak bolt
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Nothing is officially confirmed yet, but teams like Shock have said they've already signed their core for next year

dark hedge
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ah

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makes sense

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they wouldnt have signed taiyo to have him barely play

upper niche
#

I would not be surprised if OWL gets through season four like this and mayyyybe seasonn five, but I think seasons six through eight will end up having a heavy Asia focus.

balmy wolf
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im assuming the core is the team that was signed before the season started

upper niche
#

If there's money to be made by people like Kraft selling off the franchise rights, they'll do it.

autumn basalt
#

owl season 24

balmy wolf
#

i can easily see more asian teams in the league

tropic herald
#

Even still Shock dropping players seems unlikely

balmy wolf
#

as long as they can make money they'll continue with it

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i can see twilight moving to another team

dark hedge
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the overwatch 2 league

balmy wolf
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twilight is on a winning team but he aint starting

weak bolt
#

I think S4 will stick to online matches and go till OW2 comes out. S5 may be based on OW2

tropic herald
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Considering how popular OW is in Asia I don’t see why they wouldn’t make more Asian teams

autumn basalt
#

i want normal comp seasons to reset in ow2

upper niche
#

Like lets see Blizzard say to someone from say... Nanjing "$40m for a new Franchise" and Kraft goes... tell you what, we'll sell you the Boston franchise for $30m...

dark hedge
#

@balmy wolf he was starting before this meta

balmy wolf
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not much tho

dark hedge
#

he played a fair bit

upper niche
#

They will be aimining to move to stadium matches, they're losing too much money by running this online format.

tropic herald
#

Twilight was the Ana player/ Brig player

dark hedge
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he played brig and ana during double shields

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pretty much ever since he got picked up

tropic herald
#

Yeah online is only temporary

stuck radish
#

moth probably likes being unbenched

tropic herald
#

Live matches were supposed to be the money makers for OWL

upper niche
#

How funny would it be if Washington beat Philly tomorrow? D:

tropic herald
#

It wouldn’t be unlikely

balmy wolf
#

amazing

tropic herald
#

And I’d enjoy seeing Philly fans cry

weak bolt
#

I think you have to believe Online for at least another 6 months honestly.

vagrant jacinth
#

praying for it

stuck radish
#

philly needs to unleash chipsa already

tropic herald
#

That is if OWL stays in Na

upper niche
#

I think it's more likely what we'll see is regionalised tournaments in safe area

tropic herald
#

They could also just move to Korea or something and be immediately safer

autumn basalt
#

i wanna see chipsa play in that

weak bolt
#

Moving all teams to Korea is a possibility I guess. But you'd risk all your NA viewership

upper niche
#

For instance, say certain Chinese or Korean cities become safe and able to run organised events before the US.

#

Those ones they'll run say three or four week events in those regions.

balmy wolf
#

once a vaccine is ready then homestand will come back slowly

upper niche
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How they're going to make that money in the US though I have no idea, unless they go "fuckit"

weak bolt
#

I think they'll aim for Online for regular seasons, and then some form of LAN matches for monthly tournaments

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You'd probably have to really limit fans though, and do a lot of covid testing throughout. Form 'bubbles' like in other sports

balmy wolf
#

its possible to do a lan bubble

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move everyone to one country and just make it s2 expect without the audience

weak bolt
#

yeah problem is the audiences is probably where the money would come from

upper niche
#

Yeah, but that's where the money comes from, audiences.

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There's really very little point flying a team and support to a venue otherwise.

weak bolt
#

I mean I guess you could try socially distance audiences, and cut out any fan interaction with players. But is it worth it

balmy wolf
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well for one you can have a semblance of a normal seasonn by moving everyone to 1 place

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and not have regional shit again

upper niche
#

OWL has always been that way though, treating the US like its the center of the world and insisting on US-based 'ATL'/'PAC' base divisions.

weak bolt
#

I think the regional stuff remains. Players/teams aren't going to want to move back to US from Korea

upper niche
#

It's like... pull your heads out of your fucking asses and split the league normally.

weak bolt
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If anything, I could see 3 NA teams moving to Korea and having 10 in NA and 10 in Apac

upper niche
#

If it weren't for the exorbinantly high franchise fees and ridiculous contract terms, you would have had an Aus team 😄

weak bolt
#

All-stars is after grand finals right?

balmy wolf
#

i think so

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tomorrow is gonna be spicy af

weak bolt
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Wonder how many retirement posts are waiting on players to not be picked for it

balmy wolf
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at least this time theres money in all-stars

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tho i just wanna see the skins

weak bolt
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Sounds like we see them soon

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I'd guess announced soon, and bonus tokens during grand finals to boost viewership

balmy wolf
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i exactly have 400 so if their good then its worth not using them until their released

weak bolt
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I got to 210 and then realised I wouldnt make it to 400 before all stars so left it at that. If both are exceptional i'd maybe buy some

balmy wolf
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i hope we get a zen skin

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for support

stuck radish
#

tomorrow is the official reveal of the skins

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rein dva or winston dva

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cmon blizzard

balmy wolf
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oh yea they never released a tank all-star skin before

weak bolt
#

After this season, it should probably be an Orisa skin

stuck radish
#

next all stars is gonna be dps

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most likely

balmy wolf
#

well its been dps + support since 2018

stuck radish
#

yea

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it was dps

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then support

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it will be tank now

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then next it will be dps

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and so on

silk frost
#

yeah

stuck radish
true hound
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3 pm tomorrow fellas

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the blessed time

stuck radish
#

why

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what happens at 3

balmy wolf
#

Bruh

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I told you 3-0

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Everyone said I was crazy

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By everyone I mean one florida fan

stuck radish
#

lmao

#

florida got rolled

balmy wolf
#

Like raped

stuck radish
#

philly also got rolled

balmy wolf
#

Eh

#

It was closer than this

stuck radish
#

yea but

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3-1

balmy wolf
#

Lmao philly gonna lose to justice

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Rookie of the year will go to lip and mvp will probably be fleta or carpe

stuck radish
#

the remaining teams have until october 8th to train for grand finals

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this will be interesting

feral zodiac
#

Roty will be alarm

balmy wolf
#

Nah

#

I say lip

feral zodiac
#

?

balmy wolf
#

Not true

stuck radish
#

roty ans

#

ez

balmy wolf
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I mean hes good

#

But like rookie always depended on who wins

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Last year 2nd place got it

feral zodiac
#

Nah

earnest leaf
#

Alarm deserves ROTY

feral zodiac
#

Alarm easily

balmy wolf
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Theres a vote for roty?

crimson plume
#

yeah

earnest leaf
#

AS much as the other rookies have performed well

balmy wolf
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So does lip tho

earnest leaf
#

Alarm hopped into owl and became arguably a top3 FS

feral zodiac
#

Oh there's a vote?

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So ans has won?

balmy wolf
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Just saying a lot of the rookies this year could easily take it

crimson plume
#

even though im a shock simp Alarm definitely deserves ROTY

feral zodiac
#

So many shock fans

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Are gonna suck off ans in the voting

balmy wolf
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They are bandwagons

earnest leaf
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You could argue ans

balmy wolf
#

Theyre gonna be Justice and Shanghai fans now

stuck radish
#

i became a fan of shock because of super

earnest leaf
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Came in after being on a t2 team for a bit

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then retired a bit for streaming

balmy wolf
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Im a ny fan cuz im from ny

earnest leaf
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and came into owl and became the best widow

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a top ashe/cree

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and now the mf is whipping out a solid sombra

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Fucking crusty

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Actual nut

balmy wolf
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Crusty might be the best coach

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Moon too

earnest leaf
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Also philly has one day to prepare for a team that had been winning 3-0 vs each team and only dropped 1 map in another win

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and the only team to beat them was the shock

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in a damn 3-2

balmy wolf
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And shock 3-1ed them

stuck radish
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3-2 round 3

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wasnt it

feral zodiac
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Yep

earnest leaf
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yes

balmy wolf
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100 to 99

feral zodiac
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Not to mention

balmy wolf
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OK

feral zodiac
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Justice got the third fastest attacking kings row time ever in that game

earnest leaf
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yep

balmy wolf
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I have a bad feeling for philly

feral zodiac
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Against

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The fucking shock

earnest leaf
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Hot take

balmy wolf
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I dont like them I just feel bad

earnest leaf
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Justice beat philly 3-1

feral zodiac
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Who the hell beats shock with 4 minutes left

balmy wolf
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Not a hot take

feral zodiac
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That ain't a hot take flame

balmy wolf
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Thats very likely

earnest leaf
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I guess yea

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and that's fucking hilarious

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One of the worst teams in NA get a perfect meta and start ass pounding teams

balmy wolf
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All because of decay bringing this team together

stuck radish
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i feel like shock is one of the maybe 2 or 3 teams that couldve come back from a 2-0 by justice of all people

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it would be so humiliating

balmy wolf
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Decay joining sparked this team

stuck radish
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at the time

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now we know justice is a very solid team

earnest leaf
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Decay motivation combined with people on their comfort roles

balmy wolf
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In these playopffs

earnest leaf
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Ttuba and stitch becoming chads

feral zodiac
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Look at decay then think about what sinatraa would be doing on zarya right now

earnest leaf
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Stitch clapping KSP, giving ans trouble

balmy wolf
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Aimgod is literally an aimgod

earnest leaf
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like fuck

balmy wolf
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Ark playing like s1 ny ark

feral zodiac
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Put everyone on their best heroes and it's ez wins

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Unless ur boston

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Then u still just lose

stuck radish
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i feel like philly is gonna have huge trouble with justice tomorrow

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winston v hog on its own is very worrying for philly

feral zodiac
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Considering how close they brought it against shock

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I see that as well

earnest leaf
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For philly to win they need their dps to hard pop off

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But the sad part is carpe is their best widow/ashe/tracer

stuck radish
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they need carpe on there