esports-discussion

[balmy wolf]

thank god astro didnt beat

[unkempt gale]

fusion has ults now

we should win this

[velvet hawk]

yeah, no defensive ults

glads need mirror hook emp

or kevster click heads

ah gg

[clear crane]

lmfao

everyone on Philly pushed Q

[lean spire]

insane

[earnest leaf]

yea philly had too many ults to lose lol

[vagrant jacinth]

thar we go

[gloomy vector]

it was a good match for both teams none the less

[velvet hawk]

i think Lucio may have been useful there

[earnest leaf]

Although it's a likely 3-0

Glads aren't doing too bad

[balmy wolf]

Qverwatch

[unkempt gale]

fusion is just a well rounded team

[clear crane]

One of the top 3 favs to win it all

3-0 wouldnt be too surprsing

[lean spire]

it was almost a blessing that astro couldnt beat the previous EMP because mirror got a pick on the flank in that fight simultaneously anyway.

[unkempt gale]

top 3 is dragons, then fusion, then probably shock

if not shock then charge

[balmy wolf]

shock is the best

overall

[unkempt gale]

uhhh

[lean spire]

i low key think fusion could beat shanghai

[unkempt gale]

idk abt that one cheif

[balmy wolf]

stats

[lean spire]

but whatever

[unkempt gale]

chief*

[clear crane]

it depends on the meta

if Sombra is meta

[tacit verge]

Im a Shock fan and Im still worried lol

[clear crane]

Heesu and Lip are gonna go bananas

[lean spire]

heesu is up there with lip

[gloomy vector]

no its gonna be bos oh wait

[lean spire]

ye

[unkempt gale]

shhhh tac

[lean spire]

fusion and shanghai are just hella similar

[gloomy vector]

LUL

[lean spire]

they have good sombras and good winston dive

[unkempt gale]

pringles

[civic cedar]

So close

[unkempt gale]

tbh

if fusion makes it to grand finals

[clear crane]

Also got nuts lucio in FA and LJG

[unkempt gale]

im forcing my family to watch it like its the super bowl

[civic cedar]

Haha

[velvet hawk]

Shanghai FUsion might be based on Diem or Carpe or ivy etc.. could be

[clear crane]

Shock doesn’t have that sombra

[unkempt gale]

^

[civic cedar]

My family doesn’t even like me watching this

[gloomy vector]

unless the time is too early its better times for the asian regions

[velvet hawk]

Shock have SuperRoadhog tho

[fierce narwhal]

same

[velvet hawk]

My family don't even know I watch OWL..

I just finish hw late at night and watch this when I should be doing it

[fierce narwhal]

lol

[clear crane]

Shock might actually have the worst dps line compare to philly and Shanghai

[outer zenith]

I too hide my OWL obsession. I don't wish to bring great shame upon my family.

[gloomy vector]

^ true

LUL

[clear crane]

Twilight/Viol2t/Moth can easily match Philly and Shanghai, same with Smurf and Choi if dive is gonna be meta, but the dps line ehhh

[balmy wolf]

bring back goats

[tacit verge]

Lol eSports gonna be the norm

[gloomy vector]

goats was boring to watch

[outer zenith]

Most of the time, yes.

[velvet hawk]

GOATS was amazing to play

[balmy wolf]

it would be interesting with sigma

[velvet hawk]

so fun

[karmic grotto]

I loved goats

[gloomy vector]

yeah goats would have been insane with sigma

[balmy wolf]

vancouver vs shock

[velvet hawk]

PLaying Rein or Zarya in Goats was acc amazing

Vancouver vs Shock finals was depressing

[outer zenith]

Damn near killed pro-Overwatch. Get that outta here.

No GOATS at my dinner table.

[civic cedar]

Someone explain goats for me

[earnest leaf]

It also helps shock has the best widow and best tracer on their team

[velvet hawk]

Goats was dying before role Q came in tbh

[earnest leaf]

Curious as to how good rascal's sombra is

[velvet hawk]

Maybe not in ranked

but in OWl

[clear crane]

hard to say if GOATS was dying because of just a shift, or teams were already trying to adapt to 2-2-2 knowing it was coming for a bit

[balmy wolf]

rein sigma zarya goats would be better than dva

[velvet hawk]

I mean there was 3-2-1

from SHD etc

[unkempt gale]

LETS GO

[velvet hawk]

Triple DPS was rad

[unkempt gale]

CARPE IN

[civic cedar]

Carpeeeeee

[balmy wolf]

frankie is so lame

[civic cedar]

Ikr

[clear crane]

Gg

[velvet hawk]

If Philly lose this map and Carpe gets megablamed like Diem I will die

[balmy wolf]

her expressions feels ingenuine

[unkempt gale]

if philly lose this map

then its gg

because they will pick kings row

[velvet hawk]

What's with the hate on Frankie? Idk why she's getting cyberbullied

[unkempt gale]

arguably philly's best map

[clear crane]

i dont think they can

[unkempt gale]

because

[clear crane]

map 4 is pure escort

[tropic herald]

https://twitter.com/bsuh_/status/1302317261827395584?s=21

Brenda Suh (@bsuh_)

I've addressed this in other threads but there's been a lot of speculation online so to make it clear, Birdring is doing okay. It is definitely scary to see what happened on camera yesterday and the lagging frames don't help the scene look less chaotic, 1/6

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[unkempt gale]

wHeReS SaO

oh yeah

true

[clear crane]

map 2 was the hybrid escort

[unkempt gale]

frick

hmm

[balmy wolf]

i dont hate her, i just dont like her vibe

[unkempt gale]

then possibly havana

[tropic herald]

https://twitter.com/pharaohow/status/1302320417013665794?s=21

PHΛЯΛӨH (@PharaohOW)

// YOU WAKE UP

It's 2018, not 2020.
These are your playoff games today.

Who do you cheer for?

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[karmic grotto]

who's vibe?

jesus christ

danteh

looks like a kid

[clear crane]

Ahhh Envy

[tropic herald]

It’s ChoiHyobins Birthday

[civic cedar]

Let’s go shock

[unkempt gale]

bro this music

[velvet hawk]

agreed

[tropic herald]

Also you think Danteh looks young?

Look up 2018 Space

[civic cedar]

Oh damn

[balmy wolf]

danteh belongs in a better team than outlaws

hey, question for people watching the stream: does it cut out for you as well? when watching on the website, every like ~10 minutes it just starts buffering. dont have the problem on the app, and it's not my internet since that's fine on every other website

[velvet hawk]

Danteh looks younger imo tbh

[balmy wolf]

im watching on yt

[civic cedar]

No not for me

[sage lance]

nah, i'm watching on the site and it's running fine

[unkempt gale]

CARPE IN

wait for ivy?

[civic cedar]

I’m watching on console

[clear crane]

It’s the beards

[unkempt gale]

actually it kinda makes sense

ivy been playing the tracer and stuff

[clear crane]

Heesu has to be at all times for sombra

[unkempt gale]

yeah

[tropic herald]

What map is this?

Oh Anubis

[karmic grotto]

ur mothers map

[tropic herald]

Yep Carpe on Widow or Ashe

[karmic grotto]

i think space should cut his hair

[tropic herald]

Bro Sado needs to stop drinking coke as his water

[karmic grotto]

he looks like an ostrich

[velvet hawk]

an ostrich?

wot

[unkempt gale]

birdring on echo???

[velvet hawk]

Oh my god.. finally Echo. I was waiting to see her

[unkempt gale]

[tropic herald]

an dae

[velvet hawk]

pls

[unkempt gale]

yes but with carpe?

[real gyro]

why would shock sign birdring?

[velvet hawk]

Eh u can't echo vs carpe ig

[unkempt gale]

^

lmao

like i mean no joke birdring is good

actually idk abt u cant echo

like if rascal was the echo rn

i could see it

[velvet hawk]

Bigg00se fed there

[balmy wolf]

birdring is playing reaper against ashe

[sage lance]

to be fair you can't really play anything into carpe

[tropic herald]

Gladiators when they enter carpes LoS:

[karmic grotto]

What are these random fights?

[velvet hawk]

Alarm keeping Astro alive so well

Glads emp early ples

[outer zenith]

MVP CANDIATE, ALARM

[velvet hawk]

well they waited a while... now ults are all up

carpe..

stop

[karmic grotto]

gg

[velvet hawk]

ye

[unkempt gale]

this fusion team is just insane

its not even fair for glads

[velvet hawk]

birdring should widow at this point

[unkempt gale]

i feel bad

[karmic grotto]

should have played pirate ship

[velvet hawk]

Tbf Glads made quite a few mistakes this round

[outer zenith]

OOF

[velvet hawk]

OO

[balmy wolf]

carpe lmaaooo

[velvet hawk]

ok i take back my statemetn

[unkempt gale]

BIRDRING?

[karmic grotto]

?

birdring says no

[velvet hawk]

apologies for disrespecting thew reaper

idk about committing emp there but o well. it could've been winnable ig

[fierce narwhal]

i just came

whats the score?

[velvet hawk]

2-0 Philly

[balmy wolf]

kevster is taking a long time to build emp

[velvet hawk]

Close-ish 2-0 but still

[fierce narwhal]

ok

[balmy wolf]

are you even watching the stream?

[fierce narwhal]

thx

[velvet hawk]

Fury unsung carry

[unkempt gale]

heesu is just insane

[velvet hawk]

I mean Map 1 was close and then Map 2 it could've been winnable for Glads but Philly pressed Q

[fierce narwhal]

are you even watching the stream?
@balmy wolf when i asked, the stream wasnt open yet

but now it is

[sage lance]

wow and they still had time

[velvet hawk]

and glads had no coutnerract Q

[fierce narwhal]

for me

[karmic grotto]

?

[gloomy vector]

wow with time

[fierce narwhal]

wosw

wow

[karmic grotto]

Unlucky.

[clear crane]

Ooooooooo

[fierce narwhal]

yep

[clear crane]

That’s not good

[fierce narwhal]

they could have touched

[clear crane]

They had the ults

[fierce narwhal]

and heesu had emp

[balmy wolf]

astro c9

[velvet hawk]

kinda c9 from AStro

[fierce narwhal]

yea

[velvet hawk]

Philly still win tho

prolly

[fierce narwhal]

is heesu the best sombra?

[gloomy vector]

yeah it feel like funnyastro was the only one who had the chance but thats hindsight

[fierce narwhal]

i heard some people say he is

[balmy wolf]

danteh is the best sombra

[velvet hawk]

He was basically above point

[fierce narwhal]

ok

[velvet hawk]

Lip??!!!

Lip is the best

[fierce narwhal]

oh ok

[velvet hawk]

Shaggy is mad

[fierce narwhal]

lol

[balmy wolf]

??

danteh is the best

[velvet hawk]

ye ok

sure

[gloomy vector]

no he isnt hes good not the best

[balmy wolf]

^

[velvet hawk]

Lip >Heesu>>>Danteh

[balmy wolf]

thats bc his team sucks

[hot heart]

Imagine thinking danteh is the best sombra in the world

[velvet hawk]

Danteh is maybe top 3 NA sombra

[balmy wolf]

danteh used to be a shock player

[hot heart]

Where has your brain gone

[velvet hawk]

he's good

when he was at Shock they were trash

[balmy wolf]

he is one of the best

[velvet hawk]

shaggy u r a crazy mofo

[gloomy vector]

hes not saying danteh is bad he is just saying he isnt the best

[balmy wolf]

yeah but he's improved a lot

tf you mean

learn to read

smh

[fierce narwhal]

imagine glads win

[sage lance]

lmao holy shit birdring

[fierce narwhal]

lol

[balmy wolf]

i said he is one of the best afterwards

ONE

[velvet hawk]

ah ok

[hot heart]

Alright gn everyone

[gloomy vector]

yeah after you said he was the best'

[hot heart]

Hopefully no upsets

[fierce narwhal]

Alright gn everyone
@hot heart gn

[velvet hawk]

still kinda disagree. He's maybe top 3 NA and top 5 world? At most

[fierce narwhal]

meh

at most

[balmy wolf]

thats really good

[gloomy vector]

but not the best

[balmy wolf]

ok so

[gloomy vector]

i agree with good

[fierce narwhal]

i dont think hes top 3

[balmy wolf]

there is no best

[velvet hawk]

I guess so? top25% isn't really good tho

[fierce narwhal]

yeah

[gloomy vector]

there is statically the best

[velvet hawk]

I don't believe in Stats tbf

depend too much on team and playstyle

[fierce narwhal]

tru

[tropic herald]

https://twitter.com/doha_ow/status/1302340430911111174?s=21

Doha (@Doha_OW)

can't erase my sad feelings because the year ended in vain, but I was able to endure it because there were fans who always supported me. Thank you for always supporting me.
Also, Decay wasn't at fault 👻

Twitter

[velvet hawk]

Cr0ng's stats aren't that insane. but he is :)

[fierce narwhal]

lol

[outer zenith]

Either way, I think the superior argument is, would Danteh's Sombra be viewed with a higher level of esteem if he were on a better team?

[velvet hawk]

@tropic herald He isn't talking about shaggy when talking about people supporting him

@outer zenith exactly

[gloomy vector]

yeah but crong is a tank main so his stats compared to a dps wont be the best

[balmy wolf]

yes @outer zenith

[fierce narwhal]

why are they playing like a mix of brawl and dive

[balmy wolf]

i believe danteh could sharpen up in some areas and he's good

[velvet hawk]

@gloomy vector I mean compared to other tanks. If you've ever seen Cr0ng play Sigma he's very peel-based for his team and plays angle alost passively

[fierce narwhal]

oof

this is gonna be close

kinda

[balmy wolf]

sounds like how i play sigma

[velvet hawk]

shaggyyou are actually as good as Cr0ng ngl

[ebon aurora]

goddamn heesu's sombra is actually a nut

[velvet hawk]

includig ur brain

[gloomy vector]

sigma had a couple of dif playstyles

[outer zenith]

Well, if the answer to that question is yes, suddenly we're not really discussing who's the best on a given hero. It becomes more about the team enabling that player to perform well on a specific hero.

[balmy wolf]

how old are you

[tropic herald]

Doha tweet...

[balmy wolf]

the way you talk makes me think youre young

[velvet hawk]

11 and 3/4 😤

Nah I just can't type on new keyboard very well

[fierce narwhal]

dont u have to be 13 to use discord

[clear crane]

What a hack/boop....

[fierce narwhal]

whatever

[velvet hawk]

Ye im not 11

[fierce narwhal]

oh ok

[velvet hawk]

oh no

might be gg

[sage lance]

rip

[fierce narwhal]

ggs

[karmic grotto]

drawable

[unkempt gale]

thats gg

[velvet hawk]

drawable pogu

[gloomy vector]

i hope philly wins so we get next game

[fierce narwhal]

ye

[unkempt gale]

you mean glads?

[fierce narwhal]

this is kinda boring ngl

[velvet hawk]

Heesu farm rapid emp and they win

[unkempt gale]

oh

[fierce narwhal]

he means like next match

[unkempt gale]

ah

[fierce narwhal]

ye

[velvet hawk]

agreed @fierce narwhal THis meta is less fun than summer showdown imo

which was double shield

[fierce narwhal]

yep

[karmic grotto]

lmao

[fierce narwhal]

moira lucio is just so boring to watch

[velvet hawk]

That might be cos Im more invested in Apac tho

[fierce narwhal]

same

[outer zenith]

Boring? I find this match entertaining overall. The meta might be subpar, but these are close maps.

[little island]

Glads out

[gloomy vector]

yeah because next is Val vs Mayhem

so VAL win hopefully

[velvet hawk]

Valiant Mayhem could be nice

LA teams are my favourites in NA I guess

[fierce narwhal]

Boring? I find this match entertaining overall. The meta might be subpar, but these are close maps.
@outer zenith true, i just meant its not very close so its not as interesting as other matches

[balmy wolf]

this meta tests the teams ability to thrive in chaos

[velvet hawk]

Reaper is also boring

[fierce narwhal]

yep

brawl is just boring to watch

[velvet hawk]

I disagree

Rein Zarya can be fun

[gloomy vector]

i mean if it goes more than this it kinda feels drawn out

[velvet hawk]

this tho.. nah

[fierce narwhal]

yeah

[unkempt gale]

very good read on the disengage

[balmy wolf]

how does heesu always get more ult than kevster

[outer zenith]

Glads have more ults.

[fierce narwhal]

yep

[velvet hawk]

Fury enables Heesu more than Space i think

Space has more of his own ult which is prolly cos he's not on complete peel duty

[gloomy vector]

like i want glads to win but i dont really want this to keep going so lets go philly

[velvet hawk]

gg

[fierce narwhal]

gg

[tropic herald]

ggggggggg

[unkempt gale]

GG

[velvet hawk]

LaV vs FL might be nice

[unkempt gale]

FUSION SWEEP

[ebon aurora]

gg

[velvet hawk]

actually ended relatively close

[gloomy vector]

it was close on the first 2

[fierce narwhal]

LaV vs FL might be nice
@velvet hawk yeah

[velvet hawk]

Im genuinely missing Snipers because at least it's not complete chaos

[civic cedar]

I feel bad for LA

[fierce narwhal]

does anyone know when mvp is going to be announced

[wintry grove]

anyone know how to view submitted bracket for owl playoffs?

[gloomy vector]

this meta feels like if you move first you lose

[civic cedar]

Idk @wintry grove

[gloomy vector]

this is why i hated dive meta

[velvet hawk]

@gloomy vector S1 NYXL might be good then

[tacit verge]

I have a feeling Space may retire

[velvet hawk]

yep

[gloomy vector]

for me its boring to watch

[fierce narwhal]

this is more brawl than dive

[verbal gorge]

me a houston fan watching all these teams play sombra

[fierce narwhal]

its like half of each tho

[velvet hawk]

Yeh that's why NYXL were so good at Dive. they were patient

[fierce narwhal]

yep

[gloomy vector]

it diesnt feel too brawly tho at least to me

[outer zenith]

This is Sombra GOATS, but with Dive Tanks. That's all.

[balmy wolf]

why is nyxl apac region

[gloomy vector]

patient dive is such a snoozer for me

[verbal gorge]

too bad hunters lost

[fierce narwhal]

why is nyxl apac region
@balmy wolf because most of the players live in asia so they get better ping

[velvet hawk]

agreed. Brawl is fun chaos.. this is confusing chaos ig. At least with Brawl there's normally one team on one side and one team on the other. everyone is scattered around in this meta

[verbal gorge]

hunters dive best dive

[fierce narwhal]

agreed. Brawl is fun chaos.. this is confusing chaos ig. At least with Brawl there's normally one team on one side and one team on the other. everyone is scattered around in this meta
@velvet hawk ye i agree

[balmy wolf]

why dont they have a team house here

are they poor lol

[gloomy vector]

team houses are expensive

teams have apartments

[velvet hawk]

@balmy wolf wut r u on about.. they just prefer to live in Asia cos theyre full asian and Rent in US is more expensive

[verbal gorge]

prolly cause the korean players preferred to be in korea especially considering the current situation with covid

[outer zenith]

NY, not the US in general.

You had it right the first time.

[velvet hawk]

well I mean they would be in LA I think instead of NY anyway

so i changed

[balmy wolf]

??

nyxl is a ny team

[gloomy vector]

they dont play in ny tho

[velvet hawk]

I guess so.. LA is where they played tho

[balmy wolf]

oh right

[outer zenith]

Remember when Fragi was the mouthpiece for Fusion?

[velvet hawk]

If the league was that 'global' thing then it might be in NY

[balmy wolf]

covid sucks

[velvet hawk]

Fragi+Snillo> Current Philly

[outer zenith]

^

[gloomy vector]

also brackets would have changed some if teams werent limited

like some teams got to farm ez teams

[balmy wolf]

shock

[velvet hawk]

Snillo is just picking Mushrooms with his grandma instead of being a god gamer

[unkempt gale]

funnyastro is just

[velvet hawk]

True.. most NA teams

[unkempt gale]

he so chill

[velvet hawk]

Im telling u Astro is scarily chill

[unkempt gale]

[outer zenith]

I bet Grandma Snillo is a godlike Tracer.

[velvet hawk]

something is scary about it.. idk what tho

[balmy wolf]

well thats good right? at least he isnt like the rest of the ow player base

[nova wadi]

why doo they use pausing internet as a good thing in the ad. like what do you even gain from that

[velvet hawk]

in case your kid is watching OWL instead of doing HW

pause

[outer zenith]

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

[cinder widget]

Valiant beat Florida calling it now

[velvet hawk]

Nah Florida gonna finally beat Valiant this time I reckon

[fierce narwhal]

lol

i did my homework

ez

ez

ez

[velvet hawk]

KSP is way more vulnerable in this meta

[fierce narwhal]

yep

wow 1k final blows

thats a lot

[velvet hawk]

BQB can sombra and KSF takes that role so KSP might have to go on the Reaper

which u can hardly carry with

ah they running Tracer Ashe.. nice Unless Shax learnt sombra ig

Shax can clap

[tropic herald]

Shax on tracer

[velvet hawk]

was Kris' face stretched there?

it looked wide

KSP sombra o.o

[clear crane]

Wait why is ksp on sombra

Shax has a great sombra

[velvet hawk]

I guess he's a better player than KSF in general so might as well. Also maybe they wont use Sombra on other maps

does he?

I was never impressed

[clear crane]

Yea he ended Titans win streak with it last year

[velvet hawk]

and KSF always plays it

Yaki might get boomed by Shax herer

if FL win

tis

[next mesa]

Did fusion sweep?

[wintry grove]

ya

[next mesa]

Nice

Not even carpe

[velvet hawk]

Glads put up a fight

MCGRAVY

3 coals in 1 fight ok

[wintry grove]

mayhem are overrated

valiant got this

[dreamy cave]

That ult usage from Florida was so ass

[velvet hawk]

Gangnamjin has had 3 coals in about 30 seconds..

[karmic grotto]

[dreamy cave]

I know he was farming ult like it was a ability on cooldown

[karmic grotto]

Lose is lose

[velvet hawk]

I still think Florida may have advantage on Hybrid cos of dive

[real gyro]

wait how are Florida overrated they are literally the 4th best team

in NA

[tight hill]

Uhhh no

[velvet hawk]

Well they were farming trash tier teams.. sorta like Valiant I guess

They did well in double hitscan meta tho

[weak bolt]

Florida are pretty good when they can play Tracer + Ashe/Widow comps. Very similar to Valiant. When they're forced off that they struggle

[velvet hawk]

yep

[dreamy cave]

He popped it when they lost that the fight n double support ulted and then he had it again for the exact next fight.

[weak bolt]

Biggest issue is usually when BQB is dealt with. Yaki has been able to flex to Echo/Mei a lot, but BQB countered and they struggle

[karmic grotto]

[velvet hawk]

Apac would've made Florida far worse than whatever total seed they are

[real gyro]

yes

same with most NA teams

[weak bolt]

I think Florida would have been 3rd/4th in Apac honestly. Not as good as SHD/GZC, but I think they'd have kept up with Seoul/NYXL/Spark

[dreamy cave]

Hunters could beat most of the teams in NA

I take that back

[velvet hawk]

Yeah @weak bolt but they'd probably be lower total seed because no Boston to farm

[dreamy cave]

Like 1/3 of all NA loses to hunters for sure

[velvet hawk]

I think Fl would've beaten NYXL, Seoul, Spark in double hitscan and maybe lost with these Ball comps

[weak bolt]

Florida only played Boston 2x this year out of 21 matches

[dreamy cave]

Fl?

[velvet hawk]

yeah but by Boston I mean Boston, Washington, Houston etc

them

[dreamy cave]

Fuel

[weak bolt]

Yeah, but I think in Apac they'd still have farmed London/Chengdu/Spark as much

[velvet hawk]

They mostly beat the teams below them essentially.. apart from Valiant i suppose

I think only early season they would farm them. It's become way more competitive lately

[dreamy cave]

Idk about that. Spark have both godsby and architect for hitscan and are both popping

[weak bolt]

Apac meta would suit Florida a lot more too. They've been really bad at double shield metas, and far better at Dive

[real gyro]

nah bro spark is dissapointing

[velvet hawk]

I always loved GodSb but it's at the point where I think he';s a bit washed. I rated him for ages

but nah

he's fine just not amazing

[dreamy cave]

Gargoyle was fine on sigma. Fate not so much for orisa

He haven't had a widow dominated meta in a while tho. Architect was playing the ash mostly

[velvet hawk]

what?

Architect mostly on AShe?

[weak bolt]

Spark have been pretty bad all season, Architect joined them too late for much effect

[velvet hawk]

I think GodSB has looked best on McCree early season. At that point he clicked heads a lot

[dreamy cave]

Ash has been in for like 2 and a half metas

[velvet hawk]

Yeah but GodSB was Ashe, not architect

Architect was on Tracer, Genji, whoever else was there as 2nd dps

[dreamy cave]

I I honestly dont remember much of sparks earlier matches. I just recall seeing architect on ash for a few matches that I remember.

[weak bolt]

Spark have the tools to build nicely in off season now. Be interesting to see how they do next year

[velvet hawk]

Bebe has actually been good recently. I always thought he was weak link but nah, maybe not

I think Spark missed Ria on D.va. He was really good season 2

[dreamy cave]

Dominant round win, this could be 1-1

[velvet hawk]

Yeah. I predicted Florida to win these types of map. I think Valiant might go for Havana if they lose next map too

just to force KSP widow

[tropic herald]

KSP widow is cool

But BQB is no joke either

[velvet hawk]

True. KSP did outclass him in last few showings tho

[weak bolt]

Maps where shax can tracer will be good for them too

[tropic herald]

Dreamer just hyperfed

[velvet hawk]

True.. for 2CP idk what they'll choose

assuming they lose this

[dreamy cave]

GNJ is just fucking zooming his ult

[tropic herald]

KSP uhhh

[real gyro]

florida is good on 2 cp

[velvet hawk]

i mean big emp.. just no good followup

[tropic herald]

It was big but why did he do it then

[weak bolt]

big emp but they were still recovering from being emp'd themselves

[tropic herald]

His tanks were hacked on low ground

[velvet hawk]

I think this series could be about havana and then control again. just like their last match

[tight hill]

It’s 11

1/1

[rare magnet]

how do u not win a fight with 6 player emp

[velvet hawk]

His team was basically dead

[weak bolt]

Because you're basically already 2 players down, stuck on low ground

[tight hill]

Have you played on latter?

[tropic herald]

His tanks were hacked on low ground
@rare magnet

[dreamy cave]

It was 2 big emp and they were down 1

[weak bolt]

LAV aren't going to win without Shax on tracer honestly. He's basially a 1 trick

[tropic herald]

Mayhem are simply the better team so they take Hybrid and 2CP East

Easy

[velvet hawk]

HAvana will dictate match

[weak bolt]

I could see Valiant getting a 2cp win

[tropic herald]

KSP sombra is not very inspiring either

[velvet hawk]

what 2cp is best for tracer

[lean spire]

volskaya

[weak bolt]

Volskya probably for Valiant

[velvet hawk]

ye

was just thnking that

not especially vertical

[tropic herald]

The problem is now you’re on Volskaya but that’s one of Mayhems better

[weak bolt]

Can run the Widow/Tracer or Ashe/Tracer

I'm just happy to see neither team playing hog

[lean spire]

this meta is crazy

[tropic herald]

Almost like both teams are@good and recongnize that hog is still shit

[lean spire]

like the meta on last map\

its just goats

[velvet hawk]

i hate this meta

i like GOATS

[lean spire]

like toronto vs glads on lijang

insane shit

[weak bolt]

Theres basically 2 metas. A good team meta (dive) and a bad team meta (hog)

[lean spire]

lets see shock dive hog then

[velvet hawk]

I still think Gz might opt for Hog

[weak bolt]

Shock would probably melt hogs. Twilight Ana, ANS Ashe and Striker Tracer

[unkempt gale]

so wait, is it required to go 2-2-2 for OWL?

[weak bolt]

yes

[unkempt gale]

damn

would have been cool to see something like 2 tank, 1 dps, 3 healeer

[lean spire]

are you new to OW or it been a while

[unkempt gale]

newish

i just recently got into OWL

[weak bolt]

We'd probably just see Triple/Quad dps comps without 2-2-2

[velvet hawk]

Hog would be non existent if triple dps was there

[unkempt gale]

true

[velvet hawk]

Ana Mercy triple dps then maybe ball

[feral zodiac]

In double shield we definitely wouldn't have seen quad dps

That would've been the meta with or without role lock

[lean spire]

we'd probnably just see goats sooo

[weak bolt]

Dunno, double shields would melt vs 4 dps

[velvet hawk]

Without role lock it could've been triple shield tanks 😎

[feral zodiac]

we'd probably just see goats sooo
@lean spire goats was already dead in owl before role lock

[velvet hawk]

Triple shield, Bap, Brig Cree

[lean spire]

what was it

[velvet hawk]

kek

[feral zodiac]

D.va orisa was being played

[lean spire]

oh

[feral zodiac]

Then role lock and sig came in

[lean spire]

for like a month or what

[feral zodiac]

Less than a month lol

[velvet hawk]

Yeah Shanghai had beaten GOATS

[weak bolt]

Triple dps was winnng over goats by the end of 2-2-2, but it's possible goats would have adapted again to beat it

[velvet hawk]

in S3

[lean spire]

the first 222 comps were hog orisa right

[velvet hawk]

with triple dps

[feral zodiac]

Yeah they were

[unkempt gale]

frankie is staring into my soul

kinda scared

na production be like

[feral zodiac]

Then people finally realised d.va eats halt

[unkempt gale]

[weak bolt]

yoink and oink comps were still pretty popular, but nearly as boring as double shield

[feral zodiac]

I'll say this

Late stage double shield was fun to watch

[velvet hawk]

agreed

[feral zodiac]

Early double shield was a snooze fest

[velvet hawk]

Summer Showdown was fun. Espcially because Gz won

[feral zodiac]

Yeah summer showdown was one of the best tournaments of overwatch I've seen in a while

[weak bolt]

Summer showdown was just orisa/genji in NA though, not a fan lol

[lean spire]

this is the best overwatch

[vagrant jacinth]

summer showdown was great

[lean spire]

since pre goats

[feral zodiac]

Pre goats was just dive

And more dive

And more dive

[velvet hawk]

May Melee was also amazing because of SHD reverse sweep. This chat was absolute nuts. so much spam

[tight hill]

And more

[velvet hawk]

Goats> Dive Change my mind

ok sorry

dont cyberbbully

[feral zodiac]

I hold them pretty evenly

[tight hill]

@velvet hawk don’t remind me I’m a soel fan

[lean spire]

i miss the rein battle of goats

[unkempt gale]

this match is seriously resident sleeper rn

[tight hill]

I agree goats is better than dive

[fierce narwhal]

ye

[weak bolt]

I like metas where it isn't determined by who has the 1 player playing the OP hero (See Genji, Hog) etc.

[lean spire]

hog isn't op though

in owl

[feral zodiac]

Genji never solely determined the meta

He played a large part

[weak bolt]

Genji determined the summer showdown meta pretty much. Orisa just enabled it more

[feral zodiac]

But sig, orisa, bap played huge roles as well

Brig was just kind of there

[lean spire]

showdown was just genji diff tho

he right

genji and bap diff

[feral zodiac]

Not if justice have anything to say about it lol

[tight hill]

No

[weak bolt]

Justice had their best performance in summer showdown because of genji, same for Paris

[feral zodiac]

They have a nutty genji and still lost lul

To an arguably worse genji

[velvet hawk]

Brig enabled the Genji. The genji player was only as good as their Brig

[fierce narwhal]

who is justice's genji

[feral zodiac]

Ttuba

[fierce narwhal]

ok

[weak bolt]

Defiant popped off in that meta too because Agilities genji

[feral zodiac]

Did u miss the part where logix hard carried them

[velvet hawk]

Ttuba would've been amazing S1 I think. His hero pool seems like the perfect flex dps except from the fact that Projectile DPS was obliterated S2 and S3

[lean spire]

agilities carried

[feral zodiac]

So we just gonna ignore logix then

Ok

[fierce narwhal]

Ttuba would've been amazing S1 I think. His hero pool seems like the perfect flex dps except from the fact that Projectile DPS was obliterated S2 and S3
@velvet hawk i dont know much about this, so what is s1, s2, and s3

[weak bolt]

Logix performed as he always does, but Agilities being able to play OP genji gave them a huge run they shouldn't have got

[unkempt gale]

who is shock's best zarya

[fierce narwhal]

choi?

idk

[lean spire]

i say that because i would watch logix stream after the matches and go through his vods and he admitted his performance wasnt great

[unkempt gale]

ehh

maybe choi

[fierce narwhal]

i have no idea

[lean spire]

he wasn;t carrying

[velvet hawk]

Season 1, 2 and 3 @fierce narwhal . Ttuba had the same hero pool that was necessary in season 1. The Genji, pharah etc.

[unkempt gale]

anyone here know?

[velvet hawk]

Sinatraa sadge

[weak bolt]

Choi is their best Zarya/Hog/Dva

[unkempt gale]

sadge

[fierce narwhal]

Season 1, 2 and 3 @fierce narwhal . Ttuba had the same hero pool that was necessary in season 1. The Genji, pharah etc.
@velvet hawk ohhhhh ok ty

[unkempt gale]

ok whos the second best zaryas

zarya*

[fierce narwhal]

Choi is their best Zarya/Hog/Dva
@weak bolt and sig

[weak bolt]

Probably Smurf

[unkempt gale]

if i had to guess

smurf

[velvet hawk]

probably Rascal honestly

[unkempt gale]

yeah

actually that makes sense

[velvet hawk]

rascal would be the best if he wasn't on Sombra

[feral zodiac]

sinatraa

[velvet hawk]

I think

[tight hill]

Sinatra Leo

[fierce narwhal]

yep

[tight hill]

Lel

[unkempt gale]

bro

i get it

sinatraa

but he gon

[fierce narwhal]

yep

[feral zodiac]

Choi's zarya is pretty lacking

[fierce narwhal]

he go bye bye

[weak bolt]

I feel like Rascal's Zarya would be way too aggressive and he'd feed

[unkempt gale]

[lean spire]

viol2ts good on off tank too

[unkempt gale]

i feel like choi running hog

[velvet hawk]

Well Striker is a possibility??? Same problem with rascal tho. feeds and on DPS

[unkempt gale]

and smurf running zarya

could work

[feral zodiac]

They wont run hog zarya

It's shock

[weak bolt]

They'll be Winston + Zarya/Dva

[unkempt gale]

watch

[velvet hawk]

they'll run Smurf monke and CHoi D,va

prolyl

[unkempt gale]

im calling it rn

[feral zodiac]

They'll force smurf on winston

[unkempt gale]

nah watch

shh

[feral zodiac]

I'm calling it

[weak bolt]

Striker on Shock is 1 of their hard carries

[unkempt gale]

im calling it right now

[weak bolt]

Put him on tracer

[velvet hawk]

Or Shock will come out with some ass strategy like Orisa Ball

[unkempt gale]

wait no

ok

[feral zodiac]

No one hard carries on shock

[fierce narwhal]

ooh

[tight hill]

Hot take justice beats shock

[velvet hawk]

@feral zodiac Striker and Smurf definitely have recently

[feral zodiac]

They're all that good that they don't need to be hard carried

[unkempt gale]

im calling it now, shock is gonna start 2-0, then put in super on hog

[feral zodiac]

@feral zodiac Striker and Smurf definitely have recently
@velvet hawk ok maybe recently

Smurf is kind of big dick on monkey

[velvet hawk]

If stitch shows up like he was yesterday then it';s plausible for Justice

but Ans is scarytoo

[lean spire]

i think it'll be close

[velvet hawk]

and I guess he would be dived every second. scrap that

[weak bolt]

I feel like Stich will struggle more vs ANS, especially if he has to worry about Striker too

[lean spire]

zarya counters dva and hog counters winston

[unkempt gale]

true

[fierce narwhal]

ye

[unkempt gale]

if they play ans on widow, i dont think stitch's ashe or even his widow can remotely counter it

[fierce narwhal]

wait how does zarya counter dva tho

[unkempt gale]

beam

[lean spire]

with her gun

[fierce narwhal]

oh ok

[weak bolt]

Shock will also hard counter Decay. They won't let him get away with as much as other teams did

[unkempt gale]

her beam shreds

^

[fierce narwhal]

yep

[velvet hawk]

@weak bolt ye 100%. and he's not against Hog anymore. He will be dived a hell of a lot

[fierce narwhal]

wow

[lean spire]

how though with like striker reaper?

[fierce narwhal]

valiant is destroying

[feral zodiac]

Reaper?

[fierce narwhal]

nvm

[weak bolt]

They'll just focus him first always, and chances are if Shock focuses you, you die

[feral zodiac]

Why would they play reaper

[velvet hawk]

Fl win this fite i think

[fierce narwhal]

ye

[velvet hawk]

Florida should be winning 2CP

[lean spire]

why

[velvet hawk]

if not then it looks very hopeful for Valiant

[lean spire]

cuz theyre good at 2cp double shield? lul

[weak bolt]

I'm curious if LAV chose to run widow on defense

[velvet hawk]

exactly kek

[fierce narwhal]

big bomb

[velvet hawk]

nah just because they're the better team and 2cp is harder to completely carry on than control and Havana

wow ye 2 supports

[fierce narwhal]

ye

[lean spire]

florida used 6 ults lol

[fierce narwhal]

lol no ults

[weak bolt]

Big follow up on EMP should get this, but they've whiffed a lot

[velvet hawk]

If LAV lose with EMP coal then they are throwing

[lean spire]

gr

[fierce narwhal]

oof

[velvet hawk]

but Gangnamjin with a giga coal again

]jesos

[clear crane]

https://twitter.com/doha_ow/status/1302340430911111174?s=21 🤔🤔🤔

Doha (@Doha_OW)

can't erase my sad feelings because the year ended in vain, but I was able to endure it because there were fans who always supported me. Thank you for always supporting me.
Also, Decay wasn't at fault 👻

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Sorry if someone posted this

[fierce narwhal]

lol

[lean spire]

oh shi

[velvet hawk]

they did but I felt like reading it again. So thanks

[fierce narwhal]

why reaperrrr

reaper so boring to watch

[clear crane]

These comments tho makes me think Doha is gone

Publicly going against the org

[weak bolt]

Would expect him to go anyway honestly. Could see him joining Justice with Decay

Being a korean dps on Fuel seems cursed

[vagrant jacinth]

would love to see that

[velvet hawk]

Justice will be a refugee camp

[weak bolt]

Doha to Gladiators would be nice too honestly

[fierce narwhal]

ye

[lean spire]

if valiant win this they aren't going on a run

ksp sombra just isn't good

[weak bolt]

Doha/Birdring/Kevster sounds like a really nice dps lineup

[velvet hawk]

Theyve already got titans and now Decay. They sucking in refugees

[lean spire]

why would they need doha

[velvet hawk]

gr

they wouldnt

[lean spire]

they can cover every comp

[velvet hawk]

but stil

[weak bolt]

Because Mirror is bad in comparison

[lean spire]

birdring and kevster alone can cover everythjing

[weak bolt]

Projectiles?

[lean spire]

ye kevster right

[velvet hawk]

Once Kevster gets lan he will be god tier

[lean spire]

his genji was super good

[velvet hawk]

PingPrince at least

[weak bolt]

And having only 2 dps is bad

[real gyro]

HE GOT HACKED OUT OF EMP

[velvet hawk]

FL kinda rolled

[vagrant jacinth]

omg

[fierce narwhal]

wow

that happened in the ny game earlier today

the same thing

[real gyro]

ny won map 5

[fierce narwhal]

ye

[real gyro]

oh sorry i thought you was askin what happened

[velvet hawk]

BQB looks 17 and 35 at the same time to me for some reason

[lean spire]

i feel like doha would help shock more than he would help glads

[velvet hawk]

Tru

[fierce narwhal]

this is so chaotic

[velvet hawk]

Shock Doha might be good. Trade for Super kek

[fierce narwhal]

lol

[velvet hawk]

Super to houston tho

[weak bolt]

Super stays on shock, they need a rein player

[velvet hawk]

Smurf can probabl y learn and be A tier

[real gyro]

snowball time

[velvet hawk]

Ig A isn't good enough for shcok

[fierce narwhal]

lol that emp and blossom

[velvet hawk]

Fl feeding ults

[weak bolt]

KSP feeding emp

[velvet hawk]

or not

[lean spire]

ksp is so bad man

[vagrant jacinth]

welp

[lean spire]

ksf is definetely a better sombra

[velvet hawk]

Florida just gave ults to LAV

[fierce narwhal]

yep

ksp and ksf lol

[weak bolt]

They still got 1.5 points, winnable still

[velvet hawk]

I think they want KSP to learn in case of flexibility issues

ye definitely winnable. Although teams always get more cap on second run

[tropic herald]

https://twitter.com/flmayhem/status/1302362615427989505?s=21

Florida Mayhem Are Ready for Playoffs (@FLMayhem)

Hacked out of EMP? That's the @BQB_kr difference. https://t.co/O78V36Ik88

▶ Play video

Twitter

[lean spire]

he could prob get more value from mccree

[fierce narwhal]

not drawable

[weak bolt]

They must have realy struggled with other comps in scrims to be just locking this 100%

[velvet hawk]

nice collapse

[weak bolt]

1/2 the time off the clock already

[velvet hawk]

winnable pog

[weak bolt]

Rain needs to dodge EMP, if he gets hit, no chance

[velvet hawk]

ye tru

[fierce narwhal]

ye

[velvet hawk]

he's hiding

away from the team

ohno

no EMP needed.. that bad

[weak bolt]

At least KSP didnt waste emp yet...

[velvet hawk]

tru

[lean spire]

bqb too

[velvet hawk]

LAV should do quick engage and save Beat

[weak bolt]

Valiant need to go quick and emp first

[velvet hawk]

agreed

[lean spire]

rein hard hiding

[weak bolt]

Perfect for LAV there

[unkempt gale]

LAV 2-1???

[fierce narwhal]

wow

[vagrant jacinth]

[lean spire]

ksp musta been reading yt chat

he came alive

[fierce narwhal]

ggsssssssssssssssssssssssssss

gggggggggggggs

gg

[weak bolt]

Escort next, Gibraltar probably?

[velvet hawk]

ye

[lean spire]

havana i hope

[weak bolt]

I think they'll want a map with verticality and sombra use

[velvet hawk]

Fl never pick Havana

if they want to win

[fierce narwhal]

yep gibraltar

[vagrant jacinth]

good guess

[weak bolt]

Only concern for them would be if KSP locks the Widow, they could hold

[lean spire]

good pick

[fierce narwhal]

ye

[weak bolt]

I expect LAV to mirror though, more sombra/reaper dive

[gloomy vector]

thats a weird one with a car

[fierce narwhal]

egg

[velvet hawk]

Could Echo dive work in this meta? I feel like Shanghai might be able to pull it off

[gloomy vector]

echo has to play close to team so it should

[velvet hawk]

O.o would be nice to see her. Especially Fleta on her cos he wants an Echo MVP skin and if he dominates he should get mvp

[weak bolt]

Echo would just get destroyed by Ashe or Widow really

[lean spire]

echo would just get hacked

[weak bolt]

You'd have to hard pocket with Mercy. Would probably end up the same as Pharmercy

[velvet hawk]

But Ashe Widow get dived and D.va can maybe DM dmg

[vagrant jacinth]

[velvet hawk]

Ig D.va could mitigate echo a lot too

[vagrant jacinth]

BIG

[gloomy vector]

how did that even hit like they had all the time

[lean spire]

map 5

[weak bolt]

Reaper was ulting so couldnt escape bomb

[velvet hawk]

Valiant may have to rely on Busan

Unless that was mAp 1

I can't even remember

[lean spire]

gargoyle insane

[weak bolt]

It was Busan for map 1 I think

I'd guess Lijang

[velvet hawk]

Uh oh

Lijiang isn't amazing for enabling KSP

[next mesa]

Who playing rn

[velvet hawk]

I guess Shax could do something but it's too enclosed

Lav Fl

2-1 but Will be 2-2 soon

[gloomy vector]

wow florida is trash

[velvet hawk]

Maybe

[weak bolt]

This game is going to be decided by who throws their EMP's harder

[velvet hawk]

Actually a close one though. That's nice at least

[lean spire]

ive never seen heesu throw an emp

[feral zodiac]

How the hell have valiant done that

[velvet hawk]

Idk myself

[weak bolt]

Rain with 3 picks in that fight lol

[lean spire]

who's shanghai's reaper player

[velvet hawk]

BQB brainy sombra

[lean spire]

does fleta have to play reaper

[velvet hawk]

Anyone can player Reaper

[lean spire]

no

[velvet hawk]

Literally doesn't matter

[lean spire]

naw dude

fleta reaper?

[weak bolt]

C9 lol

[vagrant jacinth]

LMAO

[gloomy vector]

what

florida is so bad

[vagrant jacinth]

go val go

[velvet hawk]

Florida are brainded rn

[vagrant jacinth]

[gloomy vector]

LUL mcgravey

[rare magnet]

mayhem the anti clutch

[weak bolt]

BQB has had EMP for 2 fights and not used it

[vagrant jacinth]

mcgravy the chad

[velvet hawk]

@lean spire Fleta or Diem could play Reaper. Lip will be on Sombra tho

[fierce narwhal]

lul kek

[feral zodiac]

What the fuck is wrong with florida rn

This should be easy claps

But no

[lean spire]

yeah i dont think fleta's ever played reaper though

[weak bolt]

Florida seem to be more keen on 6 man EMPs rather than just getting 1 or 2 and winning fight

[feral zodiac]

Wait why is reaper the meta

[lean spire]

cuz he good

[fierce narwhal]

ez

[gloomy vector]

this is still winnable for val

[lean spire]

he shreds dva winston and if dvas demeched his ult kills both supports

[tacit verge]

didnt even need that EMP

[weak bolt]

Self healing, lots of damage, and isn't massively impacted when hacked

[fierce narwhal]

val val val val

[gloomy vector]

hack doesnt do anything to reaper and tanks are weak to him

so reaper is good

or at least these tanks

[lean spire]

his ult kills both supports

[gloomy vector]

that too

[lean spire]

if dva is out of mech

[velvet hawk]

Fleta can learn Reaper in 2 hours @lean spire a scary part might be Void D.va because he was sub par in GOATS

[gritty arrow]

beware of the player whose name is jake, please let them know that everyone curses family values guys

[lean spire]

reaper's not easy to learn

in owl

u actually have to make plays

[gloomy vector]

oh i was about to say

then the in owl was added

[velvet hawk]

Easier than learning Tracer and Fleta learnt her in a week seemingly

[lean spire]

fleta's always needed to know tracer

[velvet hawk]

Although I guess all he had to do there was keep the other tracer in check

[weak bolt]

I'm just surprised by the constant lucio/moira supports here. Nobody even tried anything else

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[lean spire]

he was seoul's tracer

[velvet hawk]

They would've tried other ones

[weak bolt]

I meant more in this match. They've just mirrored constantly

[velvet hawk]

Anyway I'm sure Fleta's reaper won't be the problem. That's wat I'm saying

[weak bolt]

If KSP gets emp before bqb uses his, this could be GG

[velvet hawk]

I just hope Void is good enough on D.va to stop NYXL and then lose to Charge :)

[lean spire]

bqb saving emp

for what

[weak bolt]

That is gg surely

[real gyro]

lose to charge?

[velvet hawk]

Florida throwing this harder than the chancla

[unkempt gale]

gg

[real gyro]

sure

[unkempt gale]

florida threw

[rare magnet]

gg

[lean spire]

florida threw hard

bqb specifically

[feral zodiac]

gg

[fierce narwhal]

ggs

[feral zodiac]

Brackets fucked even more lul

[fierce narwhal]

nvm

not gg

[velvet hawk]

Oh actually I liked that

[rare magnet]

winnable

[feral zodiac]

O shit

[lean spire]

oh shit