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jagged crater
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oooh, was it a deal he did with mcgravy

tulip shore
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no idea but maybe

raw ermine
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it isn't shopped

jagged crater
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yea im watching the stream vod right now

raw ermine
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on his r/

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someon posted a drawn picture of him as Natsuki from DDLC

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after he played the game

jagged crater
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the makeup is actually good WTH

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still dont know why he did it tho

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I commend the effort

hot heart
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Super on the red carpet

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I can already see it

hidden vault
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this?

tropic herald
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Why does he look so short

balmy wolf
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its natsuki

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he kinda has to

karmic grotto
balmy wolf
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lol

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Hewo UwU

tropic herald
balmy wolf
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I think carpe fleta or void are getitng mvp btw

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Kinda obvious but just saying

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Nvm void is underrated by a lot of ppl

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Its Fleta carpe and xzi in that order

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If xzi gets it im not gonna be happy tbh

agile pewter
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Fleta or Carpe

silk frost
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why is Eileen above Choi, Voil2t, Alarm, Void, and Crong

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Moth and Shu robbed imo

raw ermine
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the 2 mvp websites are very different

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they removed alarm's bots

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and maybe xzi had some?

silk frost
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but like who tf is voting Eileen

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agile pewter
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Seoul seems pretty high

plush grail
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paris that high up with the genji nerfs?

feral zodiac
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Is super a complete midget or is the shock apartment just really tall

plush grail
feral zodiac
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Paris aren't too bad

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I'm surprised at dallas

plush grail
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we can't really properly rank apac and na rn tbh

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they haven't played in months

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who knows, maybe shanghai ends up losing to boston and apac just gets stomped

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or maybe apac is way ahead of na

feral zodiac
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All I know is that there's a really clear line between the top 7 and the rest

plush grail
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ehhh

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top 6 maybe

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florida was good for a bit but kinda fell off a little

silk frost
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watch as I blow your mind

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79% of votes for the MVP race have gone to DPS players, who make up 50% of the ballet

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14% of votes for the MVP race have gone to Tank players, who make up 30% of the ballet

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7% of votes for the MVP race have gone to Support players, who make up 20% of the ballet

next mesa
tropic herald
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Why are glads below Spark Seoul Valiant and Reign

true hound
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why are outlaws not #1

feral zodiac
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Because glads have been inconsistent most of the season

true hound
next mesa
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yeah I have no problem with glads being below those 4 teams

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like at one point they were so shit tier

balmy wolf
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fax

agile pewter
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why are Seoul that high

tropic herald
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Yeah that’s my next question

agile pewter
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or at least they seem pretty high to me

tropic herald
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Why are you willing to put Seoul so high who have had a similar season so high but not Glads?

agile pewter
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oh crap I cant send images

karmic grotto
next mesa
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seoul have higher peak?

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& apac stronger?

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idk

agile pewter
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who have they beat outside of London

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for the last 6-7 games

next mesa
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nyxl

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they have only played london

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for like 4/6 games

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they just played against eachother

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they lost to sparkl

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spark

agile pewter
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they beat NYXL and London

next mesa
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yes that's what I said

vagrant jacinth
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Yeah I think Seoul too high + glads too low imo

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I'm hype af for playoffs though

agile pewter
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if Reign lose then Im bandwagoning the Mayhem

digital cloud
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reign def lose

vagrant jacinth
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Lol

feral zodiac
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When are the firstgame

tropic herald
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Next Thursday it looks like

vagrant jacinth
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Yeah, September 3rd

edgy tinsel
digital cloud
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Oof

tropic herald
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Gotta love that little rivalry

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Only if the teams could back It up

vagrant jacinth
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I love the shit talking so much

tidal ridge
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remember when owl teams were supposed to go to their home cities this year

royal bone
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wanting to make an OWL finals hype vid, so I need input

what are your favorite moments from pros (In-game, and out of game) from this year?

raw ermine
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You're making a compilation?

royal bone
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Not really, like a literal trailer

raw ermine
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ah

royal bone
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Not a montage/compilation

raw ermine
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for a trailer

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I would think

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the Carpe 4k on nepal vs Washington at the washington homestand

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Fleta 4k against (seoul?) on kings row point 3

true hound
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Fleta 4K, Carpe 4K, literally all of Sparkle in the summer showdown, EQO clutch, super on genji

raw ermine
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EQO clutch yeah

tropic herald
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Fearless shatter on Busan Meka Base in summer showdown

true hound
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dragons reverse sweep

royal bone
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Also, moment out of the game would help alot too

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Anything that maybe struck you as emotional, hype interviews, team cohesion? Stuff like that for Out-of-Game

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I really want to include Saebyeolbye holding Flow3r's hand

raw ermine
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oh

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not just this season?

digital cloud
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ah, Houston

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16th both times

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inconsistently consistent

raw ermine
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Vancouver's fall from grace

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depressing AF

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-17 spots

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on the other hand

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Florida's rise to grace

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+14 spots

agile pewter
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Shock stayed in practically the same place

next mesa
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You shouldn't make a finals hype trailer now

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you should make it when you know which 2 teams are contending

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and then make montage on both teams

next mesa
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Tobi is so hot wtf

feral zodiac
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London's fall as well

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Rise of paris

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How tf did glads get 5th

balmy wolf
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Paris +10

plush grail
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imagine going from 1st to 18th

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because you were too fucking greedy to provide your top level players with a decent living space

karmic grotto
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That's a side of the story...

plush grail
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has the org made any statement on them leaving

balmy wolf
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I think they just wanted to get more contenders teams so more players had a chance

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\Kinda like tier 2 in OWL

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Thats gotta suck for titan fans tho.

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Im sure the same exact thing with happen next year btw

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The only one I see them keeping is shockwave

edgy tinsel
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because you were too fucking greedy to provide your top level players with a decent living space
@plush grail ???
london couldn't afford their players anymore

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C9 took a HUGE ass fine which affected spitfires budget

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Spitfire actually had a very nice house

feral zodiac
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They're talking about vancouver

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@edgy tinsel

edgy tinsel
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i mean it could've technically been accurate for london aswell

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ty tho

sullen berry
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A comparison of s2 and 3 standings
@raw ermine biggest losers coming into online play: Hangzhou, Vancouver, London, New York (all 3 playing against APAC teams), Atlanta and Seoul

edgy tinsel
feral zodiac
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Taimou gonna get smoked

hot heart
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Shadowburn

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Dude

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The legend

next mesa
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taimou and sdburn omegalul

true hound
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shush

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they were considered some of the best players in the world ok

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just like 3 years ago pepelaugh

forest raven
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Shadowburn got benched by eqo

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And taimou got benched by burnout

true hound
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yep

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dude didn’t enjoy the game but kept playing, burnt himself out and got benched

edgy tinsel
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sdb is their jett

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hmm

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i think taimou will be their sage

feral zodiac
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Now eqo is benched by ivy

hidden vault
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eqo wasn't bench in season 2

little island
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ivy heesu

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eqo retired soon?

raw ermine
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nah

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I doubt it

hot heart
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He's still a freak on the genji

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I have a feeling genji will be back at some point

next mesa
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def wont with the nerfs

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imo

silk frost
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Considering the power of hitscans and projectiles going down?

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It's a maybe

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Only issues are that Echo and Hanzo are still monsters

digital cloud
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Widow is still going to be very powerful too

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the range nerf does affect her, but she still can one shot up to 76.66 meters, which is still quite good

next mesa
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yeah no reason playing genji when tracer echo are better now

digital cloud
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ashe might still be good as well, even if the experimental goes through

true hound
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I’d say so, if it’s dive Ashe plays well into it

hot onyx
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We’re forgetting eqo is a monster on echo

digital cloud
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no, most of us remember eqo is a decent echo, but we also remember him . . . not getting played much

hot onyx
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Imo he’s one of the best echos in the league, and if echo is meta again fusion won’t have a single problem

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He played better that ivy in that respect

edgy tinsel
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one of the best echos ...

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no

true hound
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best is probs fleta

raw ermine
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Or rascal

edgy tinsel
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rascal 100%

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although has a rlly good echo aswell

tulip shore
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is league on again on friday ?

raw ermine
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NA playoffs start the 3rd, APAC the 4th

zealous reef
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no EU Contenders broadcast today? Just NA?

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ah starts in 12 minutes. They fixed the time

edgy tinsel
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lets get it

plush grail
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if we vote unkoe into all stars is he actually gonna play

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Or is he gonna be benched and play valorant

true hound
raw ermine
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you can't even vote for him

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he isn't listed

next mesa
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im looking forward to fusion vs dragons final

true hound
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inb4 philly gets second again

next mesa
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I would be fine with either

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but if they got second again carpe might actually be mentally boomed and short circuited

true hound
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fr

raw ermine
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dva cosplay next?

karmic grotto
balmy wolf
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Ew valorant

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Anyone actually like that game?

true hound
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i guess so because it gets more views than a 3-year old fully franchised esports league

balmy wolf
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Because its new and shroud is playing it.

true hound
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lol

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40k viewers for OWL is still very sad

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plus Valorant's honeymoon phase is over, the game came out in Beta a while ago so all the hype has died down and a proper playerbase has stabilized

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and their tournaments getting more than 40k soo

next mesa
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valorant is trash

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if I wanted to play something like valorant I would have just played csgo

feral zodiac
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Ow probably gets way more in china/Korea than valorant

karmic grotto
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I think

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Because the absent crowd that there isn't much enthousiasm to watch live

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And also the switch to YouTube

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It's fucking shit

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How the heck is blizzard selling these lies to the team owners?

balmy wolf
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Idk youtube is terrible now

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Idk what theyre doing

next mesa
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I don't mind the move to youtube

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unpopular opinion

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I think youtube is more accessible than twitch

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but then again if you are watching owl you probably have twitch

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and also emotes

karmic grotto
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Yes

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That's why people wanted twitch, the community

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And benefits

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Even though youtube has better infrastructure for long term

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How are you convincing the viewers after months maybe years (little bit exaggerated) without having emote system, private channels and command center

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6 months later and we didn't hear a thing about how their plans

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are being made real

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What exactly are we getting out of this? VODs?

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They're selling us the idea of vods so they can get away with not working on building an esports platform

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my thoughts on it

hot heart
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Tbh

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For me

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VODs are the best

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Im not awake at the times owl is on

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On account of the fact im in the middle east

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Asia games are better tho

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Na is fucked

true hound
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YouTube is overall, technically, the better platform in terms of features

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easier rewinding, VODs, fresh content

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only issue, as Adriel said, is the community

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Twitch is KNOWN for Streaming, thats its literal brand, YouTube is obviously known for, well, making videos

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despite having the better platform YouTube hasn't really established itself (and probably never will) as THE Streaming Service

karmic grotto
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If they really want to distinguish themselves, they should start to change the outlook or UI of the official esports games channels to become more streamer like

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It's too similar to normal channel

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But I guess even that they aren't capable of

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💩

tropic herald
raw ermine
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fair enough

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I would have given Kuki it tho

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cause florida went from last to (6th? something good) with 2 additional players

tropic herald
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Shock went from 9th to 1st

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And

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This was when there was 12 teams

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So that’s basically like being 16th

raw ermine
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This is this year

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between last and this year

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it's "of the year"

tropic herald
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Well

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Idk

raw ermine
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and still, since this is being given RN

tropic herald
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I like crusty

raw ermine
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techincally, Crusty went from 9th to 2nd

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cause regular season

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not playoffs

tropic herald
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Okay yeah

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But who won

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In a dominant fashion

raw ermine
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Crusty's year was last year, if the award existed

tropic herald
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Moon

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It’s moon year

raw ermine
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if we really get into the nitty gritty

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Mineral did as good as crusty

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in a bubble lmao

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but fr

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florida +14

tropic herald
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Listen I love Florida

raw ermine
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moon +10

tropic herald
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But Kuki taught them how to play double shield

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At least Shanghai can play multiple comps and hit number 1

raw ermine
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He still got them out of a last place finish

balmy wolf
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Shanghai had the longest lost streak in sports history and now theyre are very likely to win grand finals 2 years later

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Granted it is a completely different team aside from fearless

raw ermine
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and geguri and diya

balmy wolf
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Yeah srry

raw ermine
balmy wolf
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Geguri the only female in owl

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Well female player

next mesa
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did crusty win it

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who's dragons coach

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he should also have

balmy wolf
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Moon

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Moon is the coach

next mesa
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well

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moon should get it lol best season record

balmy wolf
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Ya know

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When I first started watching IO picked a monster team and a shit team

slender tiger
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when is the next owl game?

balmy wolf
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NY cuz Im from ny and shanghai cuz they were the worst

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Sept 3rd I believe?

slender tiger
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really?

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ok

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its weird since there are no matches in the scheduled tab

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on the website

raw ermine
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yeah

viral veldt
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Hybrid PogChimp

vagrant jacinth
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Yes Sept 3rd

raw ermine
balmy wolf
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He realized how shit the game is

raw ermine
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?

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wdym

balmy wolf
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Mr cow

raw ermine
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he was a streamer

balmy wolf
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He IS a streamer

raw ermine
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for the sentinels

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he wasn't playing

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as a competitor

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Valorant or Overwatch?

balmy wolf
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Exactly, realized how shit the game was and didnt wanna stream it

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Also this is a hot take, but I believe overwatch is in its worst state its ever been in.

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Dont get me wrong, I love the game

raw ermine
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Sentinels don't do overwatch things

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this doesn't change whether or not he'll stream it

true hound
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I highly doubt he won’t stream it lol, where the heck are you drawing that conclusion from - his contract probably just ended, Sentinels hasn’t done OW shit

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he literally was playing hog and zarya on stream

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he was saying “most main tanks are playing off tank, off tank requires more aim, and I have better aim than most main tanks. therefore I get more sr”

raw ermine
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It was a request from XQC to terminate

true hound
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yh tf if xqc was gonna quit OW when the game was in a shit state hed probably have done it a very long time back

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he just doesn’t stream it everyday, usually twice a week

tropic herald
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Wasn’t he in sentinels for a work visa

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But you know he’s in Canada again

raw ermine
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poggers

next mesa
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he was in sentinels for a decent amount of time now

raw ermine
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since feb 2019

feral zodiac
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If we're talking about balance overwatch is far from it's worst ever state

balmy wolf
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Nah just in general

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Community mostly tho

feral zodiac
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Eh

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Community is the same it's always been

edgy tinsel
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https://twitter.com/bischu/status/1298762794267840513?s=21

Bischu (@Bischu)

Just found out both my grandparents passed away last week due to covid and natural causes. Combined with losing 20lbs from my flare up and pain, my mental is boom. I hate how I always procrastinate and avoid when I'm stressed out, wish I saw it sooner. May they rest in peace....

Likes

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Twitter
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:((

hot heart
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Hope he recoveres soon

karmic grotto
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Does Contenders play with current patch?

hot heart
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Think so yeah

edgy tinsel
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eu doesn't

feral zodiac
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Contenders plays two weeks behind iirc

hot heart
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Am i the only one that thinks shock might get blown out

tulip shore
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Looks like they are losing to Philly tbh

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And think Shanghai would probably beat Philly

feral zodiac
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why is that?

tulip shore
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Just based on their last game against them

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But Philly just seem to be finding form

feral zodiac
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Eh

hot heart
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Against shanghai

tulip shore
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But I've not got a lot of evidence just a hunch

hot heart
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If they dont perform very well

feral zodiac
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Against shanghai
@hot heart ?

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Oh wait

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I'm dumb

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Shanghai I can see beating shock

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Philly I'm not sure

hot heart
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Philly wont

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Now way

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Even if sado fucks

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Fearless and void on winston zarya would roll philly

true hound
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ye sad thing is if philly makes it to the finals we all know they’re getting 2nd again

hot heart
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I think they even know it

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Shanghai is just above everyone when it comes to the Winston zarya comps

feral zodiac
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Yeah if it's winston zarya shock are fucked

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They have smurf on winston but choi is lacking on the zarya

hot heart
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The super zarya

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Lmao

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Also

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Aggilites has been playing alot of hog on stream

feral wing
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choi is lacking on zarya

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but hes still decent enough to hold his ground

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and i would rather have smurf on winston

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shock will find their footing and probably blow everyone out to go and win the season again, dont get your hopes up about any other outcome

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philly found a weakness in shocks play and exploited it to its fullest, whenever that happens to shock they always come back even stronger

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i still favor shock to win the season, theyve proven more to me than shanghai have

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Shock have faced tougher competition in general than what Shanghai have

feral zodiac
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Why do you think shock will blow out everyone

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Like, what do shock have that someone like Shanghai don't

feral wing
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i dont necessarily think they will blow out everyone, that was more a figure of speech

feral zodiac
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What's their advantage

feral wing
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but im fairly certain they win again this year

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better teamwork and coordination, better coaching, i heavily favor Shocks supportline

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Shanghai havent had any real competition this year at all because there arent any other top tier teams in APAC

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so its hard to tell how good they really are

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you can analyze and break down their play as much as youd like, but you cant be quite sure about how strong they actually are until they face another top tier team

vagrant jacinth
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I don't think that's true

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I think everyone bar london could beat the vast majority of na imo

round cargo
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shanghai doesn’t have smurf

feral wing
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smurf diff

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also

round cargo
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Smurf could 1v10000 all owl players

feral wing
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the way i see it

round cargo
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so shock wins

vagrant jacinth
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Shanghai have had a few close calls in apac

hot heart
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If ans gets on widow

round cargo
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ans genji main

hot heart
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They're gonna have an unbelievably bad time

feral wing
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the bottom 4 teams of APAC are quite bad

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London especially

hot heart
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Eh

feral wing
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Spark never impress me

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Seoul have their moments but they are in general bad

vagrant jacinth
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They'd still be mid tier na I reckon

round cargo
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chengdu is fun tho

hot heart
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Probably

feral wing
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Spark would be like

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Atlanta/Glads?

hot heart
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Eh

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Nah

feral wing
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a bit lower?

hot heart
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Ye

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ATL have Been doing pretty well

feral wing
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the whole APAC is a better region thing just isnt true imo

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sure they dont have boston

hot heart
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I expect them to do good in the Playoffs

feral wing
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or vancouver

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etc

hot heart
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For me it isnt the whole region

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Just top 4 or 3

feral wing
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but they still have their fair share of shit teams

round cargo
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all good apac players are in western countries

hot heart
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Is kinda just better than most NA teams

feral wing
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Shanghai, NYXL and Charge are better than most NA teams, yes, but i would still expect NYXL and Charge to lose to teams like Shock, Philly and Paris

hot heart
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Ye

feral wing
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i dont even think it would be that close honestly, it depends on meta, but the way I see it, Shock/Philly/Paris would handle them quite easily

hot heart
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Shanghai are the reason people say apac is the better regioj

feral zodiac
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Idk about paris

hot heart
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Them and NYXL when they were good

feral wing
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Paris are weird, but so are NYXL and Charge

hot heart
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Yeah me neither but they'd beat philly and shock

feral zodiac
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Exactly why idk about them

hot heart
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I meant they wouldn't

feral zodiac
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Ye

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Charge have huge potential for an upset though

vagrant jacinth
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Paris could absolutely lose to charge/nyxl

hot heart
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Shanghai kinda just outclass teams in some metas

feral zodiac
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They outclass them in most

hot heart
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True

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Only meta they dont is brawl

feral zodiac
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Also

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Happy is a better widow than ANS

hot heart
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And they're still one of the best

feral zodiac
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Change my mind

hot heart
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I wont

feral wing
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im guessing youre a charge fan

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?

hot heart
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Ans is better

feral zodiac
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Nah

hot heart
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But

feral zodiac
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Glads fan

hot heart
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Idrc

feral wing
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widow is really just about which player drank the most monster energy drink that morning

hot heart
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Happy is an Ans caliber player

feral zodiac
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True

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Lul

hot heart
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He just gets fucked over sometimes

feral wing
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widow is such a sleeper hero to watch

vagrant jacinth
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Agreed

hot heart
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No she isnt

vagrant jacinth
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Lmao

feral wing
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legit im pretty sure i fell asleep on havana during glads atlanta after birdring hit his like 4th shot to make atlanta reset

vagrant jacinth
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Not even a little

true hound
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doom is the most fun to watch imo

hot heart
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Specifically when you watch good widows

true hound
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widow is fun to see when it’s a straight like 4K

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Otherwise it’s zz

hot heart
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Like Ans

feral zodiac
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Most fun to watch for me is probably zarya or sigma

hot heart
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On rialto

feral zodiac
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Ik that might seem weird

hot heart
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And ilios

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Is so fun

feral wing
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Widow controls way too much of the match for it to be fun to watch

true hound
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like when birdring decided to flank on oasis and get a 4K

feral zodiac
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Rein is fun to watch as well

hot heart
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But thats top level widow

feral zodiac
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Remember birdrat

true hound
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the tp tires

hot heart
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I remember

vagrant jacinth
#

I love watching rein

feral zodiac
#

Fleta deadlift on nepal from birdrat

hot heart
#

Saved glads on nepal

feral wing
#

i prefer watching the teams go at it and win due to teamplay and strategy etc than just one player clicking a few heads

feral zodiac
#

Who do u guys think the best genji in the league is

feral wing
#

widow just isnt fun to me idk

hot heart
#

Sp9rk1e

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He's so smart

feral wing
#

since when

hot heart
#

Since the summer showdown

vagrant jacinth
#

I'd say the same I think

hot heart
#

Man went nuts

feral zodiac
#

Sp9rkle is really good at knowing where everything and everyone is

feral wing
#

the thing about sp9rk1e is he plays way too aggressive at times

feral zodiac
#

Now yeah

hot heart
#

Tbh

feral zodiac
#

Summer showdown he was really good at being passive

hot heart
#

He has the support

#

Benbest pulls were so good

vagrant jacinth
#

Yeah he can afford to

hot heart
#

Who's second tho

feral wing
#

he could

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afford to

hot heart
#

Eileen

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Rascal

feral zodiac
#

Haksal

hot heart
#

Super

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Lmao

#

Yeah tru

#

Forgot about him

vagrant jacinth
#

Rascal looked pretty good but I'd say haksal

true hound
#

best genji? Sparkles play in that showdown is god tier but if we’re talking all time it’s probably Haksal

feral zodiac
#

Fleta eileen and rascal are all really good

#

Ivy as well

hot heart
#

Nah just this season i think

true hound
#

WhoRu is god but they don’t play him cause he plays waaay different from Haksal

feral wing
#

W H OMEGALUL R U

hot heart
#

All time is Haksal no doubt

true hound
#

WhoRu is probably as good as Haksal lol but he’s not a team player on genji

feral zodiac
#

Old shadder: allow me to introduce myself

feral wing
#

oh god

true hound
#

We all know the best genji is s e a g u l l

hot heart
#

Forgot about eqo

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Eqo is fucking nasty too

feral zodiac
#

Ivy is being picked over eqo

true hound
#

idk why you play ivy over EQO

feral zodiac
#

Probably for a good reason

true hound
#

EQO is more fun to watch ngl

feral zodiac
#

Ye

true hound
#

But ivy is more flexible with mei

feral wing
#

eqo had the single best genji performance ive ever seen in the summer showdown finals but ever since hes been lacking

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wouldnt say hes in the discussion atm

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especially because hes benched for ivy

feral zodiac
#

That was the best finals i've ever watched

true hound
#

#1 is necros smh 😤😤😤😤

feral zodiac
#

Easily

vagrant jacinth
#

It was so hype

feral wing
#

actually number 1 is shadowburn Smile

true hound
#

Yess

feral zodiac
#

Lul

feral wing
#

i miss shadowburn

true hound
#

same

feral zodiac
#

Same

hot heart
#

Shadowburn dancing was the highlight of OWL 2019

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I remember

true hound
#

ah yes

hot heart
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When they played the original video

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And he danced

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Pepejam

feral wing
#

i think shadowburn wouldve done well on paris this season

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if that had happened

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better than nico at least OMEGALUL

true hound
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he’d be free to play genji again

#

no more zarya jail

feral zodiac
#

Nicomegalul

feral wing
#

shadowburn Sadge

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now he plays valorant

#

good for him that he enjoys it, but i despise valorant so i cant follow him anymore PepeHands

next mesa
#

haksal best genji

hot heart
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Nuh

worn falcon
#

TTuba best genji

feral zodiac
#

Nah

little island
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eqo

worn falcon
#

Nah, TTuba. Crusty wanted TTuba

feral zodiac
#

But then he discovered super's latent talent

worn falcon
#

cosplaying?

karmic grotto
#

next week owl

next mesa
#

yes

echo quest
#

Gc Busan disbanded

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Only runaway is left

raw ermine
#

Where does it say that

karmic grotto
#

source?

raw ermine
#

Blossoms just disbanded, it seems

earnest leaf
raw ermine
#

but GC Busan Wave? nothing said

#

yeah

karmic grotto
#

Contenders is dying

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It was dying

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But when KR team start to disband

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It's dying quickly

raw ermine
#

Technically, Blossom didn't say it was disbanding, it just said thanks to its players

#

did it say somewhere else?

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other than twitter

echo quest
#

Oh my bad. I should have clarified Team blossom’s org owned the OG GC busan. Gs busan wave is ran by a different org

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That’s what reddit said

#

KEKW

karmic grotto
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bruh

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dont listen to reddt

lost jacinth
#

apex should've been allowed to be its own thing

digital cloud
#

Blizzard is just greedy

lost jacinth
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

digital cloud
#

But I bet it comes back when OWL fails

#

Or I hope it does

lost jacinth
#

it will for sure

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or some form of it

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but blizz will quash anything that gets too big and they're not making the $$$

digital cloud
#

Watching the production of the recent Lunatic Hai vs Runaway game gave me some hope

#

That was fun to watch

lost jacinth
#

they could've worked a way to involved apex

#

idk keep EU & US for OWL and keep Apex for KR league and then have some grand final

feral zodiac
#

Owl won't fail

lost jacinth
#

yea

feral zodiac
#

It's way too popular in china/korea

#

what'll happen is that the teams will be bought up by Chinese/Korean companies

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Instead of NA ones

digital cloud
#

I know the viewer numbers are higher there, I just sort of assumed it wouldn’t be enough to recoup the losses

#

But I guess that makes sense what you are saying

#

I hope they keep the players and franchise branding and whatnot

feral zodiac
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400k avg viewers is probably enough to recoup losses

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And that's china alone

digital cloud
#

I dunno, I am. It an expert at this. Just seemed like a relatively small number considering the amount of money each team cost just to buy in, much less other stuff

#

I am not an expert*

#

Stupid autocorrect

feral zodiac
#

Eh

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Sponsorships are really big money

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And there are an endless slew of them in asia

digital cloud
#

You are probably right

#

I do wonder how waning interest from players might affect it in the future

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Normally I wouldn’t care, because players leave

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But Sinatraa leaving was a bit odd

feral zodiac
#

It'll probably keep a core playerbase similar to something like league

#

Sinatraa got bored of the game

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He was playing it for 10+ hours a day so I can't say I blame him

#

Ye it was odd that he'd just won mvp

#

But at least it wasn't just because the game is 'dying'

digital cloud
#

Sure, but how is that different from playing Valorant 10+ hours?

#

Plus he got paid more

feral zodiac
#

Valorant is new

#

and he legitimately enjoys it

digital cloud
#

Weird

feral zodiac
#

He was burned out on overwatch

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You know what I mean

#

When a game becomes your job you often lose the passion for that game

#

A lot of pros in other games play other games/don't play games at all in their free time

digital cloud
#

I suppose, but I have always thought that OWL seems to leak pros more than other games

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I don’t have definitive data, but burnout is rather common

feral zodiac
#

Probably because you hear more about owl when you play overwatch

digital cloud
#

I follow other games as well

#

CS, Dota, Tf2, hearthstone, a bit of LoL

feral zodiac
#

Search up pro esports players quitting 2020

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Almost every article is on csgo kek

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And CoD

broken elm
#

cod bruh

digital cloud
#

Actually I mostly am getting Ow and fortnite in my results

#

If only there was an article that compares the departures

#

That would be helpful

#

Wouldn’t have to rely on anecdotal evidence

feral zodiac
#

Hmm

#

Yeah

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Might just be cookies or some shit deciding our search results

digital cloud
#

Probably

#

Either way, ow is having huge departures

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Patiphan, Corey, Sinatraa

#

Would be like b4nny leaving Tf2

feral zodiac
#

Hmm true

digital cloud
#

It just doesn’t look good to have your game lose players if that caliber, especially at the top of their game

#

But hopefully, we get new and better players

#

Just not a good look

#

Of that caliber*

echo quest
#

T2 is dead and considering shock’s owner is unhappy and c9 wanted to sell their team doesn’t paint OWL in a good light

#

That and young talent like Phatiphan and Sugarfree leaving too

idle forge
#

Lets be honest, blizzard pumped in way too much money into OWL but never laid a foundation for it

#

only pros could make a decent living, everyone else struggled for a chance.

#

it wasnt really that sustainable

karmic grotto
#

Hard to lay foundation when your foundation already exist

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MONEY

#

and lying

hot heart
#

OWL should have started small

#

Or

#

Smaller

karmic grotto
#

Maybe it shouldn't have started at akk

#

all

#

apex was the highlight of overwatch pro esports

feral zodiac
#

Apex was incredible

digital cloud
#

I mean, OWL is good, don't et me wrong

#

get*

#

but Apex was the apex

next mesa
#

some hitscans don't feel that rewarded for their aim

karmic grotto
#

imagine double shield

#

how are you able to play hitscan with double shield

digital cloud
#

Widow

#

ashe

#

tracer

#

well, after nerfs

#

it was doom and reaper for a while

#

so also reaper

hot heart
#

When's OWL back?

tropic herald
#

Next Thursday

hot heart
#

Nice

#

Thanks

worn falcon
#

🤔

raw ermine
digital cloud
#

I would like him to return as well, but I sort of agree he might be getting too old

#

I mean, I think he is better than dog man, for instance

raw ermine
#

He doesn't wanna coach

#

hm

#

fair enough

hot heart
#

Where would he fit

#

Like what team would use someone like him

true hound
#

any team if they want PR and a good ana player

hot heart
#

What is he good at

#

Other than ana

#

Might watch the vancouver games

#

With the old runaway roster

digital cloud
#

He was a pretty decent zen

#

I just don’t know if he still has what it takes is all

#

But eh might

#

He might*

raw ermine
#

Replace creative on seoul?

#

How good is bdosin's ana?

digital cloud
#

He has a very good Ana

balmy wolf
#

Bruh

#

Hes beeter than bdosin

#

And y u hating on my man for being a little older than everyone else

digital cloud
#

I am not hating on him

#

it is fact that he is older, and that almost always leads to worse performance

next mesa
#

older doesn't always mean worse performance

#

usually it does

#

but he says personally he doesn't feel like

#

He is worse

edgy tinsel
#

He is particularly old for professional play now

digital cloud
#

that is why I said "almost always"

next mesa
#

like he says just personally

digital cloud
#

you know

next mesa
#

he feels like his performance hasn't decreased

digital cloud
#

because it doesn't alwaus

#

always*

next mesa
#

I would love

#

for jehong to get signed

edgy tinsel
#

Has he done his military service yet?

next mesa
#

yes

edgy tinsel
#

when did he do it

next mesa
#

long time ago

#

lol

#

like

#

before ow came out

#

ow came out right after he was done

edgy tinsel
#

oh i only got into ow when owl s1 was announced

next mesa
#

give or take

#

lol

#

but didn't he

#

make a promise to esca?

#

if he's going back to owl

digital cloud
#

to play in tournaments, I think?

#

not to not join OWL

next mesa
#

no im pretty sure it was

#

to be in the same esports team

#

but

#

didn't specify game

#

what if he goes to paris

#

or nyxl

worn falcon
#

Ryu is 28 yo, nice

#

i think he have a few years to go pro tbh

#

Now the thing is, where he fits?

#

Justice?

#

Dallas?

#

Uprising tracerkek

hot heart
#

Dallas is just a no i think

#

Justice maybe since he played with jjanu for a bit

earnest leaf
#

just saying

#

justice should drop roar, sign fissure, sign ryu, and yoink some good korean contenders MS

#

Or legit just grab fissure and become a better team instantly since roar is pepega

hot heart
#

Fissure on Washington would be sick

#

Tbh

#

Maybe they could go for myungbong

#

Boston sure as hell aint paying him well

#

Or

#

As well as washable would

#

Or other teams

little island
#

Boston just needs a reset.

#

If they manage to hang on to myungbong they should drop everyone else and build a new team around him

#

Maybe Jerry can stay if they don't pick up a better hitscan

#

but everyone else has to go and i mean everyone

#

coaches, managers, etc

true hound
#

y

#

the players are fine

#

theyre all very good

#

but from the way Boston org is theyre gonna look awful, no matter how good the coaching is

#

no chance to shine because you just lose every fight to a team who's just gotten more than an ounce of proper coaching

#

Punk is great, Fusions is great, Chex always looks bad because hes forced into off roles since theres no one else to fill the gaps in between him and Jerry's pool, Jerry is fine, myunbong is a god, halo was top tier in contenders and most likely got boomed because of how Boston is, which is why he doesnt look good

raw ermine
#

Chex is kinda more of a hitscan

#

then projectile

#

but Jerry is better hitscan

#

and he is forced to play projectile

#

same situation as ZacharEEE

next mesa
#

I swear Jerry kinda overrated

earnest leaf
#

He's a mediocre hitscan

#

not much too him

true hound
#

Eh idk

#

It’s not like Boston has space to work with to let Jerry do anything

#

I just wanna see how each person performs on a team that isn’t dogshit tier

#

Hard to pop off when your team loses every fight

earnest leaf
#

Hitscan generally is one of the roles where you can see a good player pop off even if their team is pretty bad

#

Like decay on dallas

#

idc what people say dallas has been pretty shit this year, but you still saw decay perform extremely well at times

#

Jerry isn't some top of the line hitscan, just a middle of the pack

true hound
#

yh probs

#

At the same time though there’s Dallas tier and then there’s Boston tier

#

Both pretty shit tho lol

echo quest
#

Logix

#

Is a monster

#

Sucks

#

He is on TD

earnest leaf
#

yea logix is another good example

#

Pretty solid player but on a shat team

feral zodiac
#

Kariv

balmy wolf
#

ironically kariv could've been on any other team but he stayed with agilities

worn falcon
#

justice should drop roar, sign fissure, sign ryu, and yoink some good korean contenders MS
@earnest leaf this makes me wonder if Justice have the monies

#

They have half runaway

#

And doubt fissure and jehong are cheap

true hound
#

Fissure and jehong (allegedly) were like 350k

feral zodiac
#

Ryujehong is like the god of owl

balmy wolf
#

Godfather*

worn falcon
true hound
#

insider juice

#

did u watch

#

I’m assuming the dude saying it is some T2/T3 player who knows the second wind players who went to titans

next mesa
#

Yeah like shockwave is popping in titans

#

Even though they are really bottom tier team

balmy wolf
#

I think some players on titans might be better than they seem

#

Same with bostons situation

#

Peopl have titans last year reputation to live up to as well, its prolly stressful

past spoke
#

https://twitter.com/Hangzhou_Spark/status/1299196339054612480?s=19 wacky

Hangzhou Spark (@Hangzhou_Spark)

チームスパークは今回、「とある科学の超電磁砲T」とのコラボレーションを発表させていただきたいと思います。ビリビリこと御坂 美琴が背番号3のチームユニフォームを身に付けて、名誉メンバーとしてチームスパークに加盟する。これから、超電磁砲の力がプレイオフで勝利を導いてくれるでしょう！

Retweets

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Twitter
#

titans not bad half their team in eu

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when they get ksaa shockwave tsuna in na its over

#

ksaa is super hindered by it

#

sucks

crisp prairie
#

yeah i mean i've always said spark should sign misaka mikoto but everyone said i was crazy

digital cloud
#

are you crazy? that is clearly Misaka Misaka a few years in the future

feral zodiac
#

Who tf is misaka

balmy wolf
#

...

#

Google it

sullen berry
#

@past spoke they finally signed their mascot, not bad

#

I've got nothing more to do tonight than watch a bunch of Index this weekend

sullen berry
#

I guess they weren't big on being called IO

raw summit
#

all of this weeks games are cancelled?

gaunt acorn
#

@raw summit the regular season is over

#

playoffs begin september 3rd

raw summit
#

oh yeah, i got a bit confused since it showed games for week 30 till like yesterday on the website and today its all gone

hidden vault
#

https://twitter.com/Hangzhou_Spark/status/1299196339054612480?s=19 wacky
Finally

Hangzhou Spark (@Hangzhou_Spark)

チームスパークは今回、「とある科学の超電磁砲T」とのコラボレーションを発表させていただきたいと思います。ビリビリこと御坂 美琴が背番号3のチームユニフォームを身に付けて、名誉メンバーとしてチームスパークに加盟する。これから、超電磁砲の力がプレイオフで勝利を導いてくれるでしょう！

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Twitter
#

But here's the English version

vagrant jacinth
raw ermine
#

Fuckin weebs

raw ermine
#

Supposedly Blossom "released all their players and staff" rather than straight up disbanding

next mesa
#

they finally signed lol

#

considering their original logo was her it was only matter of time

edgy tinsel
clear crane
#

Weebs out!

vagrant jacinth
#

Every day owl gets closer to being an anime

hot heart
#

I love it

#

OWL x Anime's

#

Shock x dragon ball

#

That would be cool

vagrant jacinth
#

Very

#

I wanna pick up some owl merch mayn

worn falcon
#

<3

edgy tinsel
#

KDA isnt anime...

hot heart
#

I think they were taking about the HZ thing but yeah

edgy tinsel
#

mb then

fierce narwhal
#

wait why is there no match today

#

isnt it usually on fridays

viral veldt
#

Seasons ended

#

Starts sep 4th I think

hot heart
#

September 3rd

raw ermine
#

Regular season, anyway

tropic herald
hot heart
#

Oooo

#

That's fucking sick dude

bright cypress
#

welcome for what?

hot heart
#

?

raw ermine
#

Post is playing MT for team envy

#

duh

hot heart
#

True

#

MT Post malone

#

But yeah

#

What do they mean welcome

tropic herald
#

Post owns part of envy now

hot heart
#

??

#

Why

#

I mean

#

Cool

#

But

#

Why

tropic herald
#

Post has the money

#

He probably likes COD

hot heart
#

True but

#

What does he gain from this

tropic herald
#

He probably gets money from the mercy they sell

#

And he gets Envy fans

hot heart
#

Yeah guess so

tropic herald
#

Which is a really big group of people

hot heart
#

Aight

#

Cool to see post x envy

#

Hopefully we see more of him

tropic herald
#

I can’t be the only who just didn’t see the contenders plug right?

next mesa
#

what the fuck lol

#

and TSM signed hikaru (chess grandmaster) like wtf is going on with esports orgs GWliliumLaughTae

feral zodiac
#

Fps chess

opaque ginkgo
#

Hikaru is cool he streams and stuff

hot heart
#

I would watch Fps chess

next mesa
#

just watch bullet

raw ermine
sullen berry
raw ermine
#

yum

#

looks good

past spoke
#

yummmy i want

hot heart
#

That looks so goood

tropic herald
#

Not even sure what half of it is but I’d eat it all

hot heart
#

Me too

feral zodiac
#

how many maps did boston win this season

raw ermine
#

14

next mesa
#

hey that's more than I thought

feral zodiac
#

And they lost, what, 90?

raw ermine
#

61 I think

#

yes

#

tie 4

hot heart
#

How many maps did shanghai season 1 win

raw ermine
#

21?

#

they had more games

hot heart
#

Yeah

#

Boston is on that same level of bad

feral zodiac
#

they have a 6.5% map winrate

hot heart
#

Ouch

silk frost
#

Boston playing 40 games woulda gotten 26 wins

#

Map wins

#

But they were getting 3-0d, not 4-0d

#

Which meant they had less opportunities to win maps

earnest leaf
#

No team will be as bad as s1 shd

#

Like straight up no one

hot heart
#

But they will be close

feral zodiac
#

Iirc s1 Shanghai had legit masters on the team

hot heart
#

Lmao really

#

Who?

feral zodiac
raw ermine
#

woah

#

here is an excerpt from the team "Ninja's in Pajamas" in regards to their OW team (back in 2016-17)

#

Their style of play was a unique one, commonly called the "3x3 strat" or the "NiP strat". It was usually shown as 3 tanks and 3 supports, and no DPS heroes. Their hero line-up mostly appeared as Ana, Lúcio, Zenyatta, Reinhardt, Zarya, and either Winston or Roadhog as the last hero

#

NIP invented G ZaryaLUL ATS

feral zodiac
true hound
#

b r o

#

that’s triple t a n k

#

I think they’d have soldier over zen tho at times

raw ermine
#

I define goats as a triple support deathball

#

fair enough

true hound
#

Faze ran genji over soldier for some reason (hint: quiet Russian man who is good at genji)

round cargo
#

when is the earliest shock could be going up against shanghai?

feral zodiac
#

Losers bracket

round cargo
#

realistically

feral zodiac
#

For the finals

round cargo
#

but like which tourney

#

i don’t rly follow owl

feral zodiac
#

Play offs

round cargo
#

I just watch games here and there

#

I just watch games here and there

#

I just watch games here and there

feral zodiac
#

Damn

round cargo
#

hello internet

feral zodiac
#

Lul

round cargo
#

cause like last few cups

#

it was split regions

#

why?

#

the virus?

warm elbow
#

When does MVP get announced?

raw ermine
#

during playoffs

gloomy vector
#

i think i saw 9/13

#

it was on YT

edgy tinsel
#

I dont think anyone had actually ever thought overwatch was more popular...definitely just bragging tbh

raw ermine
#

yeah

digital cloud
#

wish it was that big

#

honestly, I like dota and league, but I don't get how more people find that interesting than OWL