Either way
#esports-discussion
tropic herald
feral zodiac
If you can make a bigger profit
tropic herald
ChipSa won’t be a player next year
feral zodiac
You'll try to make a bigger profit
tropic herald
Thankfully
feral zodiac
Watch him sign to boston
weak bolt
I could see Fusion keeping him honestly
fickle flicker
does chipsa genuinely believe widow is broken
gloomy vector
hell still be on the bench LUL
outer zenith
It's less about money (at least directly) and more about popularity/notoriety.
clear crane
no company likes to operate on a loss
feral zodiac
BQB
tropic herald
Widow is genuinely broken
clear crane
its #1 the money lol
feral zodiac
You madlad
tropic herald
Too bad ChipSa is the face of the movement
quartz cairn
that was very poggers
edgy tinsel
does chipsa genuinely believe widow is broken
@fickle flicker this is what i wanna know
weak bolt
If he's only on 50k a year, you keep him around for the popularity and on the chance of a doom meta
outer zenith
Of course, the reason they want the notoriety for ChipSa is because it leads to more money. So...
It all comes full circle.
clear crane
fusion dont even have 12 players
vagrant jacinth
bqb fucking dunked on them
clear crane
so hes not even really wasting a spot if they need that spot
fickle flicker
yeah even with him on the bench, people are memeing and talking about chipsa, fusion is always being discussed, ez moniez
gloomy vector
KSP literally has zero emotions on a win and lose is the same expression
true hound
Yes chipsa has said mostly everything he says on stream is exaggerated but he legitimately hates widow (with fair reason ngl)
clear crane
Jake needs an actual mic lol
true hound
j omegalul ke
vagrant jacinth
jake mike pog
true hound
noo
gloomy vector
its the same as brens mic LUL
clear crane
London should just go full EU
outer zenith
It's more or less the same reason Shanghai will kill to hold on to Geguri despite the fact that they have no plans of playing her. Popularity.
tropic herald
Jake and Bren live together iirc
gloomy vector
i mean its the one bren used
tropic herald
So they use the same setup for casts
fickle flicker
really? cute
weak bolt
Bren and Jake live together, so its probably the same mic
vagrant jacinth
^^^
fickle flicker
imma write caster x caster fanfic
tropic herald
It’s a big flat
tropic herald
More than just Jake and Bren
gloomy vector
it is the same mic i corrected myslef
outer zenith
But that was London.
fickle flicker
gg tac
weak bolt
Bren/Jake/Jaws are there, and some non owl casters
clear crane
i think its bren jake and jaws that live together
vagrant jacinth
mhm
outer zenith
That's like ChipSa and Super (on Genji) playing Boston.
weak bolt
Isn't it the old Fusion mansion too?
clear crane
i wonder if akm, unkoe and trill live in the dallas team house
gloomy vector
oh i didnt know that
clear crane
that must be awkward
weak bolt
Dallas all have apartments in a complex I think? They're probably there
vagrant jacinth
i'll brb, need some juice
tropic herald
Most teams don’t have a house
feral zodiac
Most teams have apartments right now
tropic herald
I don’t know if any have a house actually
feral zodiac
Shock do
weak bolt
Think they have apartments for housing, and then their own office/gaming space at an Arena
clear crane
isnt shock a house
weak bolt
Shock is apartments + complex
weak bolt
Boston is a house I believe
gloomy vector
yeah they have team apartment super has said that
tropic herald
They probably can’t use a house
clear crane
makes sense. idk if i can survive with 8+ other ppl in the same area for the past 6 months or so lol
tropic herald
The Shock boys love eachother
weak bolt
Its probably cheaper to rent 5 or 6 apartments in the same complex, rather than a house big enough for 12 players
clear crane
Shock have a great culture
gloomy vector
yeah literally every video of them
tropic herald
gloomy vector
reinforce laugh reminds me of the bullies in Christmas story
weak bolt
Custa is still winning, LAV will still finish top 10 in season standings I think?
clear crane
? i meant overall predictions
weak bolt
Sideshow LAV haircut/tattoo to happen
clear crane
o tat was a bet?
weak bolt
I think Bren said he'd get a Hammond tattoo on his butt if Chengdu win S3 too
clear crane
think hes pretty safe there
tropic herald
Ball Zarya won’t be shit for playoffs
fickle flicker
i'd get a hammond tattoo on my ass for free
tropic herald
But I doubt Shanghai get Chengdued
weak bolt
Maybe they don't need to
clear crane
anyone else's stream choppy?
weak bolt
SHD meet shock or fusion in semis, and Chengdu beat that NA 😄
tropic herald
I see no realistic world where Shanghai aren’t in finals
weak bolt
They'd play #2 in NA in semis right? So in theory they could end up vs Shock before grand final
clear crane
not determined yet
tropic herald
Yes but shouldn’t matter anyways
clear crane
but if they do end up #2 they can
tropic herald
Also season standings aren’t the same as final four seeds
clear crane
NA regional winners is 1st seed
weak bolt
That's how I could see Shanghai not making end finals
clear crane
winenr of losers bracket is 2nd seed
gloomy vector
i mean there is a chance for them to get knocked out in the finals on 2nd round but is so unlikly
clear crane
if shock end up 2nd seed, they will play shanghai first game, and den shock wud need to lose to philly, or gz i guess to face shanghai in loser bracket, and if they win that, den there wont be shanghai in finals
tropic herald
Given where the meta is going I do not think Guangzhou will be repping APAC
clear crane
whoever the 2nd apac team is
tropic herald
It’s going to be Shanghai and Hangzhou/NY
clear crane
but both shock and shanghai cant be 1st seed
gloomy vector
NY isnt making it i dont think
clear crane
for them to meet before winners final
tropic herald
Man playoffs gone on for a while
weak bolt
Playoffs could be wild, meta is shifting a lot
clear crane
isnt there some 2 week break
tropic herald
They start next two weeks from now right?
weak bolt
Could be some big upsets
weak bolt
3rd Sept for playoffs
tropic herald
The two week break after regionals is all stars
clear crane
so basically the 2 NA teams going to Korea
weak bolt
Grand finals are around 15th Oct I think? Give teams time to get to Korea
clear crane
wont be participating in All stars
gloomy vector
i cant wait to watch the widow tourney its gonna be so fun this year
weak bolt
Depends who makes the all stars
tropic herald
All stars is online
gloomy vector
its seems a little predictable
clear crane
but they will participate in NA all stars from KR?
gloomy vector
they play in NA teams
weak bolt
I think they'd do NA all stars from Korea, but probably just the 6v6 match and not widow match
200 ping isn't going to matter for an all stars meme match
gloomy vector
yeah the meme match might be fun to watch i didnt like last years match or 2 years ago
i forget which on i didnt like
weak bolt
Might just get the widow 1v1 that doesn't have ANS/Striker/Carpe in if those 3 are all stars but end up going Korea
clear crane
tat was fast
weak bolt
I'm kind of surprised KSP isn't trying widow at all
clear crane
tat was hella fast...........
outer zenith
Fate just dancing on 'em...
gloomy vector
i hope its not gonna be a 6 6 kind of match
outer zenith
vagrant jacinth
fate getting revenge lmao
vagrant jacinth
they're just rolling
weak bolt
LAV will get point A in overtime, and then not a tick on point B
clear crane
Val look bad without Shax Tracer
weak bolt
did they just solo emp fate?
clear crane
i think the emp was to stop the flux as well
cause i saw valiant players just slowly fall back to ground
weak bolt
Dreamers winston seems super feedy
vagrant jacinth
wow they capped
gloomy vector
errror called it so foar
clear crane
awww
weak bolt
Damn, got it wrong
gloomy vector
dang
weak bolt
I think I put too much faith in mayhem
gloomy vector
5 mins tho
clear crane
florida always lets enemy complete 2cp lol
gloomy vector
thats a lot of time
vagrant jacinth
not this time? question mark?
clear crane
horrible stagger
tropic herald
What map are they on
outer zenith
gloomy vector
oh you were telling the future
weak bolt
Does is still count if this is an OT Cap and 0 ticks on point b?
vagrant jacinth
kris stronk
clear crane
aw
weak bolt
my florida faith is too strong
clear crane
lol
outer zenith
gloomy vector
the full cap
weak bolt
Lets have some 6CP
vagrant jacinth
florida what are you dooing 
gloomy vector
i dont want a 6cp
gloomy vector
i mean full stall at first tick LUL
clear crane
wat a sleep
outer zenith
weak bolt
These Ana sleeps have been crazy for both teams
clear crane
wtf
weak bolt
Has this been the same fight going on for like 3 mins?
true hound
fr
vagrant jacinth
Y E S
vagrant jacinth
JEEZ
outer zenith
SPAM THIS SLEEP SO VALIANT REVERSE SWEEP
leaden flicker
Hi I am looking for a team to join and play with on the regular
karmic grotto
Remember when dreamer was trash
vagrant jacinth
wow wow wow
leaden flicker
I am 2100 gold in rank
weak bolt
Try the LFG channels, this is an esports channel
leaden flicker
Just shows everyone can get better
vagrant jacinth
But do Florida suck enough on 2CP to blow a 5 minute time bank?
@outer zenith looks like the answer is yes
leaden flicker
Sorry
outer zenith
It would seem so.
karmic grotto
Why are they using microphones
weak bolt
When Mickie carried them on brig? 😄
vagrant jacinth
lmaoo 
@feral zodiac
feral zodiac
Mickie 
true hound
mickie god of pma
weak bolt
Seems like a life time ago now
clear crane
that Outlaws team was closest we will ever get
to an all non-korean great team in OWL
vagrant jacinth
s1 was such a beautiful time
clear crane
wen Muma was actually good
outer zenith
I miss Fragi... But only on Rein.
outer zenith
If season one Outlaws just had a solid Tracer player, they would have been a top contender.
digital cloud
eh
weak bolt
S1 OW was just so much worse level of play vs now. It's crazy to go back and watch
digital cloud
I would have thought they just needed a tracer, but I think they still would have screwed up
it is the Houston way
clear crane
I think their best tracer was Clockwork
outer zenith
Who was more or less washed by that point. Sad to say.
vagrant jacinth
still typing 
outer zenith
Ha. I accidentally left my keyboard active.
feral zodiac
KSPPPPPP
digital cloud
KSPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPp
clear crane
Holy fuck KSP
earnest leaf
king sized penis
outer zenith
MVP CANDIDATE, KS- Oh wait...
outer zenith
SPAM
outer zenith
clear crane
I placed a yolo bet on Valiant when they were down 0-2... 
vagrant jacinth
totally wasted
weak bolt
Dreamer was back in, think they hoped they could stall it enough
vagrant jacinth
big flux
next mesa
shanghai finals for sure
vagrant jacinth
BQB!
next mesa
but a dynasty fan can dream
gloomy vector
honestly this has been a good match i thought it was gonna be a boring day
weak bolt
Feels like this game has been 10x longer than Shock defiant
gloomy vector
and like these matches make me wonder why bqb isnt on mvp and yaki is like i know yaki isgood and all but still
outer zenith
To be honest, I was initially hoping for a 3 - 0. Would have brought the total up to 10 shutouts out of 12 games so far this weekend.
vagrant jacinth
i knew this was gonna be a closer match up
weak bolt
bqb is consistent but Yaki has had a lot more peak moments. Probably why he got voted
clear crane
mvp is weird
gloomy vector
it really has been a 3-0 week end like >70% of them has been 3-0
weak bolt
People dont tend to remember consistency, they remember clutch moments & carries
gloomy vector
yeah thats why i really dont like mvp
outer zenith
Literally 9 games out of 12 have been 3 - 0's. And we still have the 13th game coming up.
gloomy vector
i kinda wish it was type in username/battletag cast types but i know you could write cheese write ins like chipsa/muma
vagrant jacinth
DAAAMN
weak bolt
Gargoyle rein
feral zodiac
Jeez
vagrant jacinth
holy
clear crane
gloomy vector
that usually doesnt work twice
vagrant jacinth
big gamble paid off
gloomy vector
custa is so happy rn
vagrant jacinth
ikr
weak bolt
vagrant jacinth
gloomy vector
i do like jake and zp in all but i like side and zp better
wintry kraken
Sideshow is married to Bren
gloomy vector
i just remembered how jonny was so cocky and laughing so hard at custa picking val
so it would be so funny to see the reverse sweep
outer zenith
True.
wintry kraken
No chance for other combos of casters, unless one is under influence
outer zenith
SPAM THIS SLEEP SO VALIANT REVERSE SWEEP
gloomy vector
i brought it up because Bren had problems yesterday and ZP filled in for them
so it was ZP and Side
vagrant jacinth
outer zenith
vagrant jacinth
what a poet
gloomy vector
oh i just remeber this from yesterday someone made the thanos gauntlet with zp being thanos and the other casters being the stones
clear crane
wait wen did lastro say that
weak bolt
its a photoshop I think
clear crane
o boo
outer zenith
clear crane
yea chat spamming wheel
outer zenith
clear crane
im not too sure
vagrant jacinth
oh fuck, soe's cats are hospitalised
outer zenith
weak bolt
They're at vets, should be ok as she spotted the problem early
outer zenith
Alinity jokes inbound on YouTube.
vagrant jacinth
yeah, from what she's said i think she got them help in time
outer zenith
Hopefully they're all right in the end. I'd hate to have to pass up on the chance to start a conspiracy about some OWL team/coach not being pleased with Nori's initial hero pool selections and vowing revenge. Biding their time for months until the end of the season.
gloomy vector
well florida might throw on 2cp but they clutch on control
ummm
i might have spoke too soon
vagrant jacinth
plush grail
ummm is florida ok
weak bolt
This map will favour orisa play, so Florida may come back
well usually, but seems they want to dive
gloomy vector
i mean they could hog this
plush grail
unless they dont go orisa
weak bolt
Just let KSP and BQB 1v1 for the win
vagrant jacinth
K S P
weak bolt
That's KSP's face always, he only has 1 expression 😄
outer zenith
Perma disgust.
vagrant jacinth
feral zodiac
God damn the madlads are gonna do it
outer zenith
SPAM THIS SLEEP SO VALIANT REVERSE SWEEP
vagrant jacinth
don't jinx it
feral zodiac
Ah shit
plush grail
wait why were they talking about brig rally, there's no briig in play
weak bolt
because nano brig is often memed as the Raid Boss of OW
vagrant jacinth
oof
gloomy vector
not gonna lie i do want the Val to win this
karmic grotto
I am lying, I want valiant to win this
viral veldt
Winnable
plush grail
WHAT
vagrant jacinth
OMG
deep wolf
LETS GOOO
viral veldt
weak bolt
wtaf was that
vagrant jacinth
POG
gloomy vector
wow
digital cloud
THE CHOKE
karmic grotto
Clutch lucky factor
digital cloud
SWEPT
vagrant jacinth
WHAT THE FUCK
silk frost
welp
weak bolt
KSP almost smiled
vagrant jacinth
tropic herald
Florida actually lost that come on man
earnest leaf
mcgravy is happy
silk frost
dreamer is a beast
clear crane
wowwwwwwwwwwww
plush grail
dreamer and mcgravy were so clutch there
vagrant jacinth
dreamer coming in clutch
deep wolf
custa's prediction
gloomy vector
KSP almost smiled
balmy wolf
dreamer's reaction is AMAZING
gloomy vector
then when back
vagrant jacinth
mcgravy too
lean spire
What the duck
vagrant jacinth
fickle flicker
what an exciting match to watch
outer zenith
YOU SPAMMED SLEEP SO VALIANT COULD REVERSE SWEEP
karmic grotto
remember we dreamer was dogshit at start of the season
dusky canopy
Can't wait to see Custa and Rein
warm elbow
Ksp basically carried
earnest leaf
ksp actually has no fucking emotion lmao
vagrant jacinth
custa gonna be hype af
feral zodiac
Mayhem your spaghetti
gloomy vector
yeah dreamer is ok
weak bolt
Big win for LAV, will get them a much better chance at a higher regular season placement
fickle flicker
ahahah yeah ez win for custa
karmic grotto
Ksp trying to be eqo
fickle flicker
mayhem choked so hard lmao
vagrant jacinth
slo mo the whiffs lmao
fickle flicker
ksp will (rightfully) get a lot of credit, but mcgravy and dreamer popped off fr
gloomy vector
yeah custas and jonnys reaction must be so good rn
tulip shore
Yeah the tank gameplay was nice
weak bolt
5th seed in NA looks pretty valuable, and it's super close between LAV, LAG and ATL
tulip shore
Especially last fight there
fickle flicker
really enjoyed this series
silk frost
Boston is so BAD
fickle flicker
i guess a better word for dreamer is consistent. he was there when he needed to be
silk frost
10%
outer zenith
No they aren't. It's just that Boston's competition are better...
weak bolt
Dreamer kinda fed for first 2 maps, but seemed to adapt decently after half time
tulip shore
The ball at the end was nice
gloomy vector
LUL K
tulip shore
Maybe he should have played it more
gloomy vector
if there competitors are better doesnt that make them bad?
fickle flicker
yeah the first two maps were a completely different game lmao
feral zodiac
Who plays next
gloomy vector
titands reign'
feral zodiac
Also if everyone else is miles better than you what is likely the problem :/
tulip shore
Anyone know what's the salary for an owl player
feral zodiac
Minimum 50,000 dollars a year
gloomy vector
50k or greater
feral zodiac
Some get paid over double that
outer zenith
Please don't take my joke seriously.
tropic herald
We have to watch Atlanta v Titans??? I’m going to gouge my eyes out
outer zenith
tulip shore
That's a joke right ?
weak bolt
50k min wage, I think some are rumoured at 200k+
gloomy vector
oh i thought you were serious LUL
fickle flicker
pretty sure sinatraa was highest salary in owl, 150k?
tulip shore
Seriously wtf
upper niche
The minimum salary is 50k, and there's a lot of caveats around that. That's minimum paid salary, and has to exclude other stipends as not being considered.
feral zodiac
That was his mvp earning
tulip shore
I thought it was like barely minimum wage
fickle flicker
ah my bad
upper niche
There's rumours of a few players being on figures close to 200k.
feral zodiac
MVP is a huge cash pool
weak bolt
Sinatraa was 150k in S1, no idea on S2. Rumour was Decay was even larger salaries
feral zodiac
Decay was on a 300k contract overall
fickle flicker
yeah that wouldn’t surprise me @upper niche
feral zodiac
Idk how long it lasted
tulip shore
How the fuck do the teams get so much cash ?
gloomy vector
ads
fickle flicker
sponsors
gloomy vector
like coke
weak bolt
They paid 20mil to get into OWL in first place
feral zodiac
Investments
vagrant jacinth
sponsors
upper niche
@tulip shore They're mostly owned by rich people as a hobby.
weak bolt
50k salaries are nothing
gloomy vector
i mean investors not ads
fickle flicker
yeah lmao it’s pocket change
feral zodiac
Also
tulip shore
Its 20mil to enter a team in the league ?
upper niche
Noone in OWL is making up the operating costs with sponsorship at this point.
feral zodiac
Farm sponsorships from asia and you're good
weak bolt
Yes, 20 mil was the buy in for teams in S1/S2
upper niche
Season 1 buy-ins were USD12m. They went up for season 2.
fickle flicker
they have coca cola and t-mobile as sponsors, that’s going to bring in a lot
upper niche
I dunno where you're getting 20m from, it's outright incorrect.
feral zodiac
Fissure had really big earnings when he was playinf
hot heart
weak bolt
20m may have been S2 then
fickle flicker
which teams joined in s2?
upper niche
There's no set figure for the buyins post season 2. every team have different figures based on contracts and agreements.
gloomy vector
but also OWL got a bonus to exclusively stream on YT
upper niche
There's rumours two fo the chinese Season 2 teams paid as high as 48m.
weak bolt
ESPN reported it was 20m for S2
vagrant jacinth
inaugural season buy in was 20 mil im p sure
tulip shore
Thought it must be quite big money but thought the players would earn fuck all lol as they mostly seem to live with their parents
tropic herald
BiliBili got that money
vagrant jacinth
i think 30 mil for the expansion teams?
upper niche
It was variable.
fickle flicker
oof
feral zodiac
As far as I know the first 12 teams cost 20 million dollars
fickle flicker
so does that money go to blizz or back into owl..?
feral zodiac
I don't know the other teams
upper niche
Basically, OWL wanted 18 teams for season 2. They approached a few potential owners, a few came to them, and a few came in late or insisted they wanted in after they had already found their 18.
tulip shore
Anyone know the financials for the league like revenue
gloomy vector
its rumors
feral zodiac
ESPN said that new expansion teams paid anywhere from 30 to 60 million, but take that with a grain of salt
upper niche
Season 1 had an expenditure of just shy of 500m.
weak bolt
By looks of it, buy in costs started at 20m and may have gone higher
gloomy vector
i didnt know what to use
vagrant jacinth
Twitter
fickle flicker
@gloomy vector speculation?
upper niche
Season 2 started at around a 20m figure, yes.
tulip shore
So that 20 mil bought the teams in to the league for life right
upper niche
No
feral zodiac
A lot of London's grand finals team are some of the highest earners as far as I know
gloomy vector
yeah thats a better word
feral zodiac
Well
upper niche
It's a franchise. And Activision/Blizzard can strip it away at any point they want. The contracts are shit.
tropic herald
Profit was expensive
tulip shore
So if a team is shit will it get booted or not
feral zodiac
Birdring as well
weak bolt
It effectively bought them in for life. Blizzard won't just boot a team out
upper niche
Not necessarily. More like if a franchise owner does shit that makes the league look bad.
gloomy vector
well they cant strip it away at any point they want because of contracts
tulip shore
So the prizes of 50k for winning one of the tournaments is small change then
gloomy vector
but if they breach then sure
feral zodiac
Teams getting booted is unlikely unless some legal shit comes up
weak bolt
Unless an organistation does something catastrophic to breach contracts, they should be fine
feral zodiac
If a team is just bad they wont get kicked out
upper niche
They're very 'American' contracts, and by that I mean 'we can do whatever the fuck we want, you "signed a contract"'.
gloomy vector
no they wont
upper niche
They won't remove 'bad' teams on that basis.
They might remove them say on the basis of not being financial or being unable to meet their obligations to players and the league.
gloomy vector
ok i think i misunderstood
feral zodiac
I wonder what would happen if they added a relegation/promotion system from contenders to owl
upper niche
It would take a lot to come to that.
tulip shore
Lol if only I knew when this game came out the starting salary lmao
feral zodiac
Would be fun to see though
weak bolt
If a team keeps turning up with the minimum players required for their matches, they'll remain
feral zodiac
Ignoring the obvious costs
Would probably also save contenders
From the pathetic excuse for life support it's on
upper niche
Contenders could have been saved if teams had been contractually required to field and support a development team.
gloomy vector
i mean it was expected to be "high" paying because its activision owned
upper niche
But OWL didn't have the forethought to put that in to the contracts.
feral zodiac
Well yes
weak bolt
Contenders would need to have some decent return for Blizzard to put anything into it
gloomy vector
true
digital cloud
thank goodness Atlanta seems to be replacing dogman
feral zodiac
Which it would get If it got the proper support
digital cloud
nah, for funzies
weak bolt
Only Blizz's accountants know the real situation
digital cloud
obviously profit, no other reason to do it
weak bolt
Everything else is pure speculation
upper niche
Contenders has the same problem OWL has - the feed in to it is terrible. Like, how does average Joe find out "hey, I want to play semi-pro Overwatch" - there's no obvious path to how and where to play competitive games of that nature.
digital cloud
they want to profit somehow
gloomy vector
yeah it would make sense if it wasnt for profit
feral zodiac
Yeah the ow path to pro is utter shit
gloomy vector
wwouldnt
upper niche
It was sold to investors as a viable business venture.
tulip shore
Well it could not not for profit but a marketing benefit for blizzard and the game
feral zodiac
Some people have claimed everyone is losing money
outer zenith
It always comes down to profit in the end. Now whether that's short term or long term profit is the real question.
karmic grotto
When I first heard about pro scene, I was hyped about it, but the more you know about it, the less hyped
weak bolt
Teams are likely losing money this season due to Covid and no homestands
upper niche
I've not heard of anyone making money from it, unless it has a huge fanbase in the China region.
gloomy vector
esports in general is a risky business
feral zodiac
The china fanbase is massive
gloomy vector
well i mean other than asia
weak bolt
Boston are rumoured to be pretty profitable over the years
Because they spent nothing and sell big each year
tulip shore
Hahaha
feral zodiac
It reaches 400-500k viewers regularly on chinese streaming services
upper niche
Honestly, long-term I expect OWL to die off in NA and see Chinese owners buy up the team franchise slots.
tulip shore
That's one way to run things
feral zodiac
Korea has huge numbers as well
upper niche
I would not be surprised if at the end of Season 5 there are as many as 8 Chinese teams.
digital cloud
NA used to have like a quarter million viewers
I am sure it dropped off in China too
upper niche
Contenders Aus gained more viewers from Frogger joining than it had ever been able to achieve on its own 😄
tulip shore
Yeah they need to add a few Chinese teams theres not enough
upper niche
It's not that there are not enough Chinese teams... there's too many American teams.
weak bolt
That wasn't just NA numbers remember. That had all the Asia games during those hours/streams too
upper niche
Unfortunately, and no good comes of this, the league is run in a very 'American' way with a very 'American' mentality.
tulip shore
That might be true, a lot of boring to watch games
gloomy vector
yeah but NA was first before Apac was a thing right
digital cloud
there is always going to be bad teams
tropic herald
feral zodiac
Only times NA had anywhere close to a quarter million viewers was during grand finals or when the game was very new
weak bolt
OWL could heavily depend on the popularity of OW2 as well
digital cloud
law of averages
fierce narwhal
THAT BLIZZARD
upper niche
'Bad teams' are not an issue. Every league has bad teams.
fierce narwhal
got eaten lol
upper niche
Can anyone say Season 1 Shanghai Dragons?
tulip shore
There's quite a gap though
upper niche
Season 1 Florida Mayhem?
tulip shore
How many seasons have there been
upper niche
Yep. And look at Season 1 London, Season 1 Boston even!
digital cloud
I think even the worse teams of this season would be top five of season one
weak bolt
and good teams can become bad (Titans)
digital cloud
hot take
feral zodiac
Not sure on that
upper niche
Season 1 NYXL, they've been average ever since. NYXL are the new Seoul Dynasty.
flat brook
Sure thing for Titan.
feral zodiac
Boston look worse that they did in S1
flat brook
Titan is crazy! Can’t adapt well.
gloomy vector
well better players come and go and metas change alot
weak bolt
It's probably a fair take. S1 overwatch was really bad in comparison to S3 OW
upper niche
Season 1 OWL is like Competitive Diamond now.
feral zodiac
No
gloomy vector
also skill is a bigger factor
feral zodiac
Not by a long shot
upper niche
If you were to go back and grab a VOD of a Season 1 match, you would see better play in Diamond.
tulip shore
It would make more sense with 2 leagues and a relegation system, but that would be a bit less fun i think
digital cloud
that is a bit fantastic of a claim akashra
feral zodiac
I heavily doubt that akashra
weak bolt
yeah S1 OW was really bad. The whole game has evolved significantly now
upper niche
The big difference is team coordination and planning.
gloomy vector
no thats just wrong again akashra
upper niche
Maybe you don't remember watching some of the trainwreck matches that were Shanghai vs Florida? 😄
gloomy vector
this is just a sad match
weak bolt
S1 OWL was really really bad if you watch it. It was more about individual plays vs teamwork
outer zenith
That's an exaggeration, but it doesn't invalidate the overall point. OWL play now is by-and-large better than it was. But, that's obvious. It's to be expected.
That happens in every game.
feral zodiac
If it wasnt there would be a big problem
Well more than big
Huge
Ginormous
Colossal
upper niche
I think as well when I say 'Diamond' people think I am claiming 'low diamond on the border of plat' - no. There's a fair difference between low diamond and high diamond bordering on Master.
gloomy vector
but saying S1 was like diamond now is just wrong
weak bolt
I'd say your average GM match now is probably better quality than S1 owl by a large margain
digital cloud
that might be more accurate
upper niche
Pft, GM has been better than S1 OWL for a long time.
feral zodiac
Which owl teams are you saying were equivalent to high diamond games
All of them or a select few
gloomy vector
yeah more time with the game and different heroes come out so different plays come out
feral zodiac
Because there were still big differences between teams back then
upper niche
@feral zodiac Keep up. Anything involving Shanghai or Florida to start with.
earnest leaf
did s1 shd unironically have masters?
feral zodiac
Keep up with what
outer zenith
You're getting too hung up on the "Diamond play was better" exaggeration.
upper niche
Ph great, the OWL website is broken again.
gloomy vector
yeah if youre not getting tokens use the app
i really wasnt expecting anything from this match tbh
2x 100 - 0
thats ruff
feral zodiac
Was anyone
weak bolt
Biggest question, would S1 SHD beat the Casters to Contenders roster (Sideshow, Bren, Reinforce, Custa, MrX and ?)
upper niche
Oh wow, Dallas Fuel were terrible in Season 1 too 😄
tulip shore
Any idea how much game hours annowl player might have
And who might have the least hours in the league
upper niche
Mr X is like... low gold.
tulip shore
How many that might be
weak bolt
S1 OWL is weird when you look back on it, Teams only played 10 regular games
upper niche
I've watched uber, mrx and soe play. It's... not good.
feral zodiac
Dallas, an example of why buying the popular players isn't always the smart thing
feral zodiac
What
weak bolt
If you want a prime example of popular players doesn't mean quality, look at Toronto 😄
upper niche
Like, people like to hang shit on Bren and Sideshows playing... there's a big gap between Bren and Sideshow and the others.
tulip shore
I thought that might be on the lower end
upper niche
@weak bolt I must admit, I really thought Surefour and Kariv were going to do things for Toronto.
feral zodiac
To be fair there are one or two good players in Toronto
gloomy vector
well an example for CS a ex Pro has 17k Hours now
weak bolt
Kariv has been a bit shafted really, he's barely had a time to play Zen/Ana
S4 I think is washed, but thats just my take
feral zodiac
Remember when boston looked a little less boomed with punk
Then it all fell to shit again
gloomy vector
i mean CSGO not CSS
tulip shore
CS is really boring looking
weak bolt
That's not that much hours for CSGO really
tulip shore
No way you even need that many hours in csgo
feral zodiac
8
true hound
17k hours wtf
feral zodiac
Yeah 17k is wtf
tulip shore
My younger brother has 4k in dota
true hound
I probably have 17k on Minecraft
gloomy vector
i agree 17k is alot
vagrant jacinth
17k holy shit
feral zodiac
That's more time than I've spent gaming all together
tulip shore
I've probably got about 10k hours on games over a lifetime
true hound
streamers must have a shit ton
weak bolt
It's 59 worth of days per year over 12 years. That's like what, 6 hours a day for 12 years?
tulip shore
Might be an underestimate or over
outer zenith
is that 17k in CSGO specifically, or does some time in previous iterations of Counter Strike get lumped in?
true hound
idk how many I have on overwatch
tulip shore
Can't imagine spending that many on csgo or any one game tbh
true hound
On rocket league I have 900 I think
feral zodiac
6 hours a day for 12 hours 
gloomy vector
no CSGO
weak bolt
6 hours a day for 12 years*
true hound
Damn
gloomy vector
that was fast
feral zodiac
That's a quarter of every day wasted
upper niche
I feel like I'm playing less OW since covid, but actually I'm already at more this season than previous seasons.
gloomy vector
they stomped him
feral zodiac
Ok, wasted
weak bolt
My math was bad, if you played every day for 12 years, it's only 4 hours 😄
Casual numbers
feral zodiac
That's still
gloomy vector
like i said i know a OWL player that has at least 5k hours so idk
weak bolt
OWL players probably play 8-10 hours per day most days I'd think?
feral zodiac
Hasn't he got like 300 hours on every heroes
weak bolt
between scrims/ranked
feral zodiac
Probably
tulip shore
My gf has just over 400 hours since about April
gloomy vector
that was so sloppy by the reign only can win by ult use
tulip shore
Kind of wish I was the type of person that just played one game but I'm not at all
Of my most played games, I have about 2k hours on eve online, 1500 on dawn of war 3, 1500 on pokken tournament and 1500 on smash
And a lot of games with a few hundred hours in
If I put all that in overwatch I'd be earning 50k
outer zenith
That just makes you like... a bunch of other people out there.
Nothing to be ashamed of.
tulip shore
Not ashamed
vagrant jacinth
i don't think i've ever comitted that much time to a game
weak bolt
If I put my game hours into an actual career I'd probably be a millionaire by now 😄
tulip shore
Just thinking there are a lot of people that just play one game
And I can't really do it
vagrant jacinth
lmao error
weak bolt
I had like 400+ days worth of time in an mmorpg
tulip shore
Believe it myself
vagrant jacinth
become a pro streamer
viral veldt
Just realised I was 4 minutes behind😎
gloomy vector
4 mins
tulip shore
A friend of mine is a pro wow player and has several years in it
vagrant jacinth
lmaoo
digital cloud
nearly back capped
gloomy vector
this is alot closer than i thought it would have been
fierce narwhal
hawkwave
weak bolt
ATL really need to win this one for their season placements
They have LAG/Shock next week
balmy wolf
shockwave has been popping off
tulip shore
I'm guessing team coaches will watch every game played in the league
gloomy vector
errror so yeah they need this win for 2 possible loses next week
tulip shore
To decide which team theirs should pick to fight
tulip shore
If high seed
fierce narwhal
yea
outer zenith
Not to mention their pride. You really don't want to lose to the Titans, let alone at the tale-end of the season.
fierce narwhal
true true
gloomy vector
LUL someone has a mayhem spray
fierce narwhal
LOL
gloomy vector
glads spawn camp POG
weak bolt
LAV play LAG & Titans next week. and LAG play Florida, LAV and ATL. 5th Spot in NA could go any of 3 ways
fierce narwhal
true
gloomy vector
i want glads 5th spot
fierce narwhal
wooo dalton
weak bolt
5th place allows you to skip the whole round 1 of NA regionals, could be huge
also guarantees you get into losers bracket at worst
gloomy vector
shockwave throw?
fierce narwhal
ok
gloomy vector
honestly losers bracket might be the play
fierce narwhal
why are they going bap lucio?
tulip shore
I wonder which owl player picked up the game most recently
Probably most of them played since release
weak bolt
Where on earth was Carcar going then
edgy tinsel
I wonder which owl player picked up the game most recently
@tulip shore technically ans if u count someone quitting and coming back
edgy tinsel
whos running it
weak bolt
Bap Lucio seems to be popular for double shield teams
gloomy vector
well as long as this is an esports there will be "new" players
weak bolt
ATL and Titans both running it @edgy tinsel
fierce narwhal
yeah
fierce narwhal
lol
true hound
BIG
outer zenith
We've got a real game here.
balmy wolf
that was sick
vagrant jacinth
masaa coach gunned
fierce narwhal
wow
true hound
all of titans comin out big
digital cloud
REIGN YOU IDIOTS
gloomy vector
what was that clip LUL
true hound
dalton with the brain
fierce narwhal
why doesnt owl stream on twitch
true hound
ksaa with the fat flux and pogwave with the finish
lean spire
Lmao YT chat giving shockwave the credit for that 5 man flux
gloomy vector
pumpkin MOney
edgy tinsel
@gloomy vector i can get u a better clip brb
fierce narwhal
oh ok
gloomy vector
they probably got a better contract with YT(google)
fierce narwhal
ok
vagrant jacinth
gloomy vector
nice
tawdry hamlet
shockwave and dalton really carrying lowkey
weak bolt
They look better playing slow instead of dive
tulip shore
@edgy tinsel how long did he quit for ?
raw ermine
who quit?
tulip shore
Ans before becoming a league player
raw ermine
2019-01-16 – 2019-12-23
he was retired in between that time period
immediately retired after leaving his old team, Blossom, and immediately unretired to join SFS
feral zodiac
How many games left today
tawdry hamlet
just this game left
titans vs reign
1-1
if titans manage the win
I will be shocked
I hope they play route 66 like they did yesterday lmaoo
vagrant jacinth
@tropic herald reign came in super hard after titans capped and forced them to back off that way
vagrant jacinth
BQB THE GOD
digital cloud
yeah, Atlanta was very sloppy of eichenvalde
clear crane
atl using any cheese strat?
vagrant jacinth
no bastion yet no
fierce narwhal
saucyyyy
digital cloud
gator good
digital cloud
I regret everything
fierce narwhal
wow
SHOCKWAVE LAG???????
LOLOLOLOL
HE WAS LAGGING IN THE GAME
he should pause or smth
where did everyone go
clear crane
GIMMIE BASTION
fierce narwhal
yea
clear crane
booooooooooooooo
deep wolf
LETS GO
fierce narwhal
YESSS
clear crane
YESSSSSSSSSSS
deep wolf
BASTIOOOOON
fierce narwhal
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
BASTIONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
edgy tinsel
why would they pause over him lagging
digital cloud
the strat
vagrant jacinth
BASTION
edgy tinsel
hes still gonna be on 150ping
upper niche
lol. How has the bastion survived this long.
clear crane
this is so damn cheese
fierce narwhal
OOF
digital cloud
difficult to dive
upper niche
left, right, left, right, left, left, right, left...
clear crane
wow they defended better den Paris
digital cloud
yes they did
tawdry hamlet
what the fuck is atlanta doing
upper niche
Building ults.
digital cloud
Atlanta just sandbagging
true hound
big pogwave
tawdry hamlet
Atlanta has played like wild this weekend lmao
digital cloud
fuel 3-0ed titans yesteryday
upper niche
shockwave talking shit when they're about to get pwned.
digital cloud
and Atlanta is supposed to be better
vagrant jacinth
boom
true hound
boom
digital cloud
I mean, even with them being much worse than we though coming into the season
clear crane
aw
upper niche
yeah, 8th overall, so that sounds right.
Why cant OWL just give us the ladders split up on the website, is it that hard? :/
digital cloud
maybe titans prepped more for Atlanta?
tawdry hamlet
well they definitely didn't prep for fuel lmao
they played horrible yesterday
but the dps is having a really good game
oof
vagrant jacinth
oof dc
edgy tinsel
HOW TF IS SHOCKWAVE SO DAMN GOOD LOOKING
edgy tinsel
he still looks fine af on it
grizzled valve
i lost respect for reign
true hound
clear crane
Not really
vagrant jacinth
oh boy
clear crane
Titans played that really well
edgy tinsel
that's such a bad take polar
grizzled valve
bastion really is hard to beat
vagrant jacinth
absolute disgustang take
tawdry hamlet
lmao