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Hm
This year
Could have saved OWL
Or at least Teams could get some of their money back
APAC teams would have made bank
Aight
Wow. Shock fell apart
super got outplayed
Seoul 3 wins in a row is like franchise record
Dw it'll be 4 next week hahaha 
Just remember
Seoul started off this season
3-0
9-0 in maps
then got 2 wins in next 2 months
Got my eye on mayhem v valiant
3-0?
Iirc it was 2-0 and then they got fucked by dragons and it was all downhill from there
Oh wait
Spark
Nvm u right
You know one thing I wonder is how
Does pro lol get the same amount of viewers on twitch and YT
Like how
The tsm vs Dig game yesterday got 160k on twitch and 165k on YT
OWL in terms of viewership is dead at this point
I complained too much about Orisa so they just deleted my entire role fuck
349
@hot heart aye dw it gets more than R6 PL Regular season
They'll take your role away
Yeah
Lmao r6
That's true
r6 is actually more alive than ow too
is it tho
Yup
Idk much about r6
owl is dead though
R6 is still strong
R6 is coming up on 80 mil
So he like the best player in Na?
Top 3
Oh pog
He has the best Kd difference of all players
I remembered when he first started he had a rough few series
and hes just nutty
I'm not super into it, catch a few games here and there
Personally I think they added to much
I basically just watch EU and then the TSM or Soniqs games
Teams plant with like 15 seconds
I do find it fun to watch though
Left
Yep, last second rush meta
Yeh the meta is :
Clear utility and roamers
then there is like 20 seconds left
My favourite esports to watch rn are league and Cs and Val.
it works tbf
i cant watch cs
Piss me off
riot didn't even wanna do esports in val for a year
I wonder if they will do regional leagues
Like in LOl
Or open circuit
I prefer regional leagues over one league concept like in OW ngl
they will but they dont want to do it for a year
Each to their own
I liked having one big league
But the timings used to be killer for me
Ye but talent gets left out. So many players deserve to be in the league but can’t be because there isn’t enough room
Fucking Myunbong only got 1 offer
From Boston
Imagine arguably the best flex support in Kr contenders forced to go Boston cuz nobody else offered him a contact
he got multiple
Ye
Tbh
Fuck boston for that
But at the same time
Did myungbong really think he couldn't be on better teams?
Like they wouldn't sign him?
Idk
He was the best flex support in Kr contenders
I definitely think he is a better player than alarm
But alas on Boston
We don’t know who is better. One is on a gutter trash team the other is on Philly
He is flex
Flex I'm p sure
He's a monster
A week ago
So? Alarm is nuts my guy
Ye he is a top 3 FS
If you say
I think viol2t is the best
tbh i think alarm is the better ana, i think viol2t is the better zen bap
Imo
he said alarm is top 3
Myunbong could be if he had a team

pls mald tho
Idk, alarm might be better on bap imo
highly is an insane bap tbf, its a shame london is underperforming rn
Idk if i can believe that
Viol2t is the best bap in the world
Highly has potential
all of ldn does
True
id argue schwi has been their weakest player tbh
I'd agree
like jmac has really improved
he looked so good today
london look alot better on dive with clestyn in
Spitfire have a good roster, just underperforming
i think theyre boomed tbf..
i feel like im the only person being positive about them on twitter
Bernar was being sick on the sig a few weeks ago
I'm always positive about the London bois
I still believe they'd be mid-tier if they were in na
Yyup
theyd be like 6th
apac sure is more competitive
I get hype for every apac game but half of na games are just dross
If they start being more consistent they'd be gatekeepers to almost Top tier
1 sec i gotta get this tweet of a clown
Lol nice
some na games are truly sleeper
shock will be fine
although a fusion vs dragons final would be sexy
yesterday?
@Gr1mVAL @1509Decu @WH1SP3R___ @Spitfire @SeoulDynasty @OW_Babel @JackEtienne What you’re saying is bs, realistically the only team London would beat in Na is Boston saying they could beat anyone atm is just wishful thinking.
Lmaooo
im not a london fan but this is some clown shit
well
Defo top tier clownery going on there
God
maybe boston shits on dragons
@next mesa if only
Could you imagine
They'd be boomed for the rest of the season
Imagine if London makes playoffs
If boston shits on dragons i will get their logo tatooed on my head
The run 2.0
omegalul
every team makes "playoffs" so-to-speak
too bad they wont even play againt eachother this season
Just shave your head
And tatoo their logo on your bald head
I would like to see sideshoe do that
For whichever team wins OWL this year
Not tatoo
But
Paint it on like a 4 year old
bren said hes getting hunters on his ass if they win
I'd say spitfire are the apac equivalent of glads
Fucking chengdu
wouldnt be surprised if chengdu absolutely booms shock 😳
Ball meta begins, chengdu start fucking lets gooo
ball hog
if blizzard buffs ball massively, is it safe to say owl is rigged?
It's already written in the script
Oh yes
The age of Ameng is coming
wouldnt be surprised if chengdu absolutely booms shock 😳
@next mesa I will laugh so goddamn hard
They will loose
Does anyone in na?
Smurf probably has a decent ball
Decent isn't good enough
Whoulda thunk we might be ending the season in the chengdu zone
No top tier NA ball players as far as I'm aware
Fat F
Fusions is actually a ball god, he was saving it for the end of the season 
Muma gonna slam back in with ball
Nonstop comp with ball. The man knows everything there's to know
Pls ow gods, let ball be meta
Tbf people used to say monkey zarya was silly and flamed Seoul out for it
Jakerat was fun to watch ngl
They're also ass when they need to be good
The duality of seoul
I want to hate Seoul but I can't because of the old spitfire lads
i want to hate seoul
but i know they already hate themselves
and that makes me feel bad

Can't wait to watch the val vs mayhem I feel like it'll be a great match
what was the deal with seoul I thought they were the bottom team in apac but came out with a w against nyxl?
Seoul is chengdu 2.0 sometimes
- How should I get into watching competitive?
- How do I know what team I want to root for?
- How do the free token thingies work? If I ever eventually get into rooting for a team I wanna show my prideeee
- OWL is on nearly every weekend
(I don't wanna purchase a team skin JUST because haha pretty colors...)
and the esports announcment channel shows you when it starts
yeah
- you home city usually
if that doesn't apply, maybe players
do you watch OWL players on twitch?
or like a specific character a lot?
- Just tune and come chat with us

- Personally I went with the team closest to me
- Watch owl on the league website, link blizz account to your console account
I'll find the team closest to me
The app is much more reliant then the website, so download the OWL app and connect you OW account to it, then watch matches on there
Matches are starting in less than an hour if you wanna watch
Monkey zarya was the of dive
NA stream crashed yesterday, you savages rushed in our french stream ! 
I think the closest ones to me is Toronto
Thanks yall
good choice
Oh they just played today
Are tokens always earned by watching or is it an event thing?
you need to watch official OWL stream but seems it doesnt works well lastly
try the app
5 per hour watched
but sometimes they do double tokens events
Usually for the tournament's yeah
i cant on app, i dont care much much, but its dumb to create en avent and its so bug
Tech issues are just a given, not their fault tbh
mmm lol ?
Nvm
yeah its kinda boring today at least for me
3-0's
and the other could go the distances
so maybe a couple of hours?
4-5
they post highlights afterwards
Ah okay because I want free tokens
oof no agilities
interesting
Logix is pretty consistent though
I look forward to watching Vancouver get fucking plowed
I hope Valiant upset
probably around 4 cause they do a lot of talking in between matches
who is zykk? is he good?
I look forward to playing the stream on my phone while not paying attention at all
Zykk was the replacement player brought in when agilities got burnt out
he is a solid mei
which I what I think he might play
He was from third impact
yeah its kinda boring today at least for me
@gloomy vector everything but the Florida match are probs gonna be 3-0's
Ooh yeah same, I too wanna see agilities pharah
I just wanna see agilities tbh 
yeah that one could easily be a 3-2
DIY project
but just because its a 3-2 doesnt make it a good match i can find a stomp be a good match
Do it yourself! Bastion Bunker-2020 OWL
lul that camera man
searching for notes 😄
Atlanta v vancouver could be a close 3-0
definitely a close 3-0
I mean, say what you will of Paris' performance, but Atlanta nearly beat them
also people in yt chat were saying jeff was in yt chat it obviously could be fake but if it was true kinda funny
Titans going to lose
iLUL
ok but why isn't it live on the mobile app yet
the preshow isnt live on mobile i didnt know that
little annoying but it is what it is
I hope that the shock just fall over and die like yesterday lmaoo
Defiant have been playing relatively well recently
not shock level though
numlocked is looking into my soul
those eyes tho

Logix is first in three categories? Really? That is pretty epic
it doesnt matter if defiant is playing well today with this pool really nerfs them
I think Xzi is mvp this season
and ashe is in pool
so idk
Logix is pretty good ashe
yeah rat is still playing wooo
and no dive interesting
well
SHOCK BOOMED
big beam
this is probably the worst hero pool for the shock ngl
why that shield with sym right there
there goes the defiant
No striker tracer, and these weird comps they don't run
rip game
yeah its a pretty bad hero pool for shock really
BIIIG
So can I watch this on the app or-
game is on so yes
yeah can watch on app, it's on there now
make sure you log in
Oh I see it now
app gives tokens guranteed for me, browser is 50/50
Yeah thanks
so I prefer app
It showed up super late on app
oh wow, i thought they had that then
doesn't show on app until the match actually starts
yeah slightly weird they dont show pre show on app
Will the double shield nerfs be implemented during playoffs?
yes
mhm
The current live patch is what playoffs will be on
Ggs
Playoffs will be on current live patch yeah
I mean we still have no idea where the meta will go
Because ranked is a cluster fuck
although choi hog maybe 
Have to guess Winston dive
Shit
Ranked will not have the co-ordination for a full dive meta to show up quick 😄
I forgot choi has a chad thundercock of a hog
a what
The legend himself chad thundercock how do you not know him?
ikr
LUL
How was twilight allowed to live
i'm still riding the high of seeing soldier yesterday

chad. thundercock.
I saw an interesting tweet earlier. Someone suggesting that it's dumb the Bonus wins count towards Matches Played, as that's screwed shock over for #1 seed
Shock (at best) finish 18-3 with 7 bonus wins. That would put them at 25-3 with a .893 win percentage (25 wins/28 matches played).
Fusion are 19-2 with 5 bonus wins. 24-2 with a .923 win percentage (24 wins/26 matches played).
Was an interesting read
frag read potential is a weird saying to me
whats 150000
The mvp cash prize
oh is it i also thought it was 100k
Are we no longer able to see the votes for mvp?
bro wtf they’re still talking about how ow is a fps or not in owd
I literally went through a full guitar lesson
Oh ok continue
and they still at it
bruh
ok but I want ans to bully logix already where is the ans widow I am used to
Jel keeping up the argument
well it doesnt seem like theyre at eachothers throats so i guess thats good lol
I don't like it when one player is dominant on a role
Which is why watching babybay beat ans sent me to my happy place
Yeah they're being civil
It's just they're being boring
put kariv on ana fools
didn't they say they wanted Beast to play Rein?
No
he got a tire and Choi
Not much
no i know he got the tire
I bet shock is gonna run a weird comp again
Kruise didn’t even get beat
better then his whole team
Lol
ok if logix can do something it will be here
Logix just took 3:40 to charge his ult
there something
Thank Mr Logix
well thats it

it was ok
man logix is honestly a nasty widow player
but roll by shock
shock not boomed then
Defiant Attack was basically run it down mid into Rascal
shock doesn't really boom
So they got full held
after losses atleast
ans did get killed by logix tho on attack
And Shock attack was alright and Logix saved the point on the first fight
Lmao of course my team is losing
i cant spell this map
I think I might switch teams even though I've only started watching today
Hanamura btw
its not like you cant like a team that is bad
exactly
there is fans of boston
LMAO
you do you my guy, you do you
The one guy on Toronto was basically crying on cam after that first match
very niceu shirt reinforce
well i dont agree that they came in dominate but they did hold it well enough
pringles w a v y
i really dont like wavy chips i like the regular pringles
Briannnnn, Briannnnn, I know you can hear what im doing right now
imagine crying
yeah some plays in OWL are very eazy to replicate
thats one reason i love watching esports
i still wanna pull dafran grav in a ranked game
i still do the bumper shatters sometimes in my games then my teammates get mad at me 
i do always do it but on some maps i just do it for the giggles
Bumper shatter?
I do the bumper feed in my ranked games
LUL
bumper shatter is jump shatter around a corner without seeing whats on the otherside
its really funny when it works

16-0 holy shit
same maps, again?
F
aw i missed the start of this
this like those moment where your important dps dies for no reason
looks like its about to end lol.....
Luckily for defiant they died super quick so didn't really give any ults lol
quick match, as expected
gonna be 3-0verwatch today
omg
damn that's insane, they came back from it
LOL
twilight got fucking SNIPED
That bomb was perfect, not even sure was intended to be so lol
smurf is a godly monky
Val vs Fla should be good
ye
Although no Tracer, Shax is a very very good Sombra, but BQB's sig hero is also Sombra, but then does that mean Yaki plays Ashe...
No tracer/Genji, so it's just gonna be the bqb show
shax sombra + bqb ashe id say
KSP Widow could be good though
record?
yeah yeah
possible
free mr logix
i don't think they're brave enough for ball
LAV don't need bravery, they have Gig/Dreamer

Mcgravy on dva could be a decent boost for them too
Mcgravy will pop this game
Who won shock vs toronto
Roadhog 1.0 is back
honestly sigma still is usable he is fine

Shock rolled 3-0 @grave sable
hog is insane
im still surprised theres no new news on OW2 yet
yeah
I'm not
Blizzcon got canceled right?
it launches november
confirmed?
Blizzcon or ow2
no
i just hope there will be a mass nerf to most heros when it comes out
There wont
i know but i hope
Mass nerfs removes a lot of the fun from the game
Main tank is dead on ladder
mass nerf wont remove fun
When is the matches? Are they on now???
I understand Winston is good but that doesn’t change that ladder isn’t that fun Bc without shields people don’t understand how to respect snipers
they been on
Shiiit
Eh I guess
What match is it???
u didnt miss much
but thats good
Although sniper nerfs would be fun
just shock fucking defiant
Rn its mayhem vs valiant
fla vs Val about to start
About to start
Huh?
This should be an okay game
idk how you nerf Widow
She shud def retain her 1 shot kill ability cause thats her niche
yea thats the only thing i can think of
some heros dont need nerfs tho
u wud increase charge time even more?
Those two have constantly been the things that make or break her
Of course shock rolled lmfao
Her mine and her ult are perfectly fine
@clear crane don’t let widow grapple on the ground
What a time to be a shock fan
Just nerfed ash slightly and adjust her dynamite because it hits through shields sometimes
Good
hmm i can see how floor grapple has an effect
it limits her movement
She’s a fucking sniper give her weakness
so much
It would heavily impact her positioning
make her 100 hp 🙂
yikes
Which means a lot of masters gonna become diamonds 
Was their a apac match last night?? I dont think their was
If that nerf happens
shes in a damn one piece suit
There was
monkey kills her faster at 100
There was one game
I don't think you can really nerf widow without making her 100% irrelevant
Who? Plaied??
One shot hitscan no fall off :)
my idea originally for a rebalanced Ashe (before her ammo buff) was that coach gun would launch you half as far and enemies half as far, but at like a 6 second cooldown
Played
seoul v london was ealier yeah
Honestly if she disappeared in OW2 I'd not complain
shock v defiant just finished
They played again????
some heros are in a ok state but alot need nerfs to make a "better game"
shock has 2 more games next week
Damn. I need to catch up badly
Le funny one shot hero except they have a one shot that they don’t need to be in danger to use
jesus christ poor london

two 3-0s
not sure where this seoul came from
yeah...
I've been missing matches
is it the hero pools or is tauyou making that big of diff
And I start my new job tomorrow DX
i'm all caught up
hero pools dont help
Toyou I think is good yes but they also get to beat the shit out of London a lot
hmm KSF Sombra over Shax?
It's Seoul, they'll end up being 3-0'd by Chengdu soon enough. They're so inconsistent
Sombra isn’t good on other points
seoul always turn up against us
yaki on sombra as well
mirror match
Damn
ksf building that emp pretty fast tho
mirror matches are really sleeper most times
S1 dive was pretty fun to watch
ksp got the bob p quick too
Is seoul coaching still the same
for sure, i liked s1 dive
one has to wonder how the game would be without brig
Very good
or the other way around if they had brig day 1
oh yeah 2 2 2 was because of goats
quad dps was great
interestingg
2 2 2 was a good imo
Without brig we'd have probably just seen big nerfs to tracer/genji
even though before 2 2 2 i was a dps
hmm still sombras
sombra isnt the worst on this map
Perhaps also trying to get used to sombra expecting it to be playoff meta
yea im just surprised its ksf over shax tho
Maybe they want to give ksf sombra time so they can run sombra/tracer in future?
maybe during scrims ksf was playing better on the sombra
new briggitte is op
this was a fast map
and i jinxed it
tbh i like that view?
ksp seems to not be warmed up
wtf
they shud make an exception that emp doesnt affect soldier's sprint lol
just silly to think
wait it works on the sprint
yes
the emp actives his joints to lock in place
@clear crane well, then they also should make an exception for cree's 6-shot. or ashe's dynamite
technically it's sorta a passive? so it gets canceled like lucio's aura heal

Valiant boomed lul
the emp actives his joints to lock in place
@gloomy vector
and mccree's roll
just got food, how was the first map?
fast
Very quick
on the mayhem side
emp should make hammond stop his ball and pop out as a hamster. Dva style
florida win pretty convincingly
LUL
i would unironically love that
its just funny to think of lol
that would be too strong if hammond could get out of his ball like ant man
emp just stopping ur ability to run haha
let him run out his ball, but he can only bite people
Yes and give him extra speed
he would actually be impossible to hit on controller/low skill level
soldier's like ah shit i gotta powerwalk now
okay how was the shock defiant match? 3-0 im guessing?
really i wanna know if defiant held their own at all
yes
defiants best player was the tree on point a Kings row
yes
were they looking mentally weak? were their dps not doing well?
its not like the fusion arebad
They were slow, super predictable, and facing an angry shock
but also shock really do alot better without pools
So typical Toronto really
yeah not at all, would just expect it to be closer, not a 3-0 sweep lol
yeah. shock should have been mad after their loss
it was closeon one match
Violet was salty on Twitter lol
new briggitte is op
isn't violet always salty lol
true
haha
and carpe said ez as fuck on twitter
i never thought he wud be this salty tho
If Shock really do get motivated by that loss, it could be bad for all of NA
like in general, with his ladder issues as well
ive seen it work once
they're gonna power up
who?
i guess shock got overconfident then lel
it was a rando in a match
fusion didnt even talk shit
fast af cap
it was just carpe lol
and it was 1 line
o lmao
and crusty and violet had to respond
and shock got salty as fuck
Because they realise they could get rolled by them at some point
no funnyastro was talking crao
what comp did philly play
crap
FA was pretty cordial in the interview with Soe tho
this is way too fast
he only said one line
Crusty will turn that anger into power
LUL the suit was canceled
they showed it on screen but they covered the fuck part
Sado went super saiyan 6 tho
Heesu clutched biggest for Fusion, if he hadn't clutched massively on KR it'd have gone 1-1 at halftime and could be totally different
How many times has GNJ cucked KSF lol
omg this has gone so fast
KSF really doesn't look comfortable on sombra
Congratulations on winning the regular season and first win to us. That's why you guys never win final match wp
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why is he always mad
didnt someone say this was gonna be a close match :KEKW:
Because he's super salty, it's seen in ranked
fr
tiny fuse i meant
Viol2t has a massive fucking ego
didn't he just get a suspension for toxicity lmao
oops
Carpe, This the guy who can’t win without hero bans? And the guy who got benched during a grand finals? And the guy who’s team hasn’t beaten SF Shock since the inaugural season? And the guy who everyone thinks is still goated but ANS, a dude who quit and came back is better at widow?LOL
lol
Every time Shock players talk about him it’s funny
he was taken out the line-up for a match iirc
ITS A COPYPASTA DONT MURDER ME
Im so lost so are league tokens not a thing anymore to earn from watching OWL?
ksp 
F
they are
league tokens are a thing if you watch via OWL app or website
are u logged in?
i love that comment
@edgy tinsel i was scared for a sec 
well tbh i dont think xzi/carpe should get MVP
Like Crusty said during VOD reviews Viol2t would watch a YT video and asked what the video was he’d link it to Crusty lol
but thats just my opinion
Viol2t gives no fucks
Because it says im logged in right but Ive been watching more than like an hour total over the past couple days and nothings happened ingame lmao
@fickle flicker Well it wasnt at first, it was by some malding shock fan
I just made it a copypasta tho
but hes also a top 3 flex support in the league so wat can u do 
^ He has the skill to back up everything he says
hm idk
no skill backs up telling someone to kill urself lol
Hes the best zen AND bap
tundr4 make sure you dont have ad block on i still get tokens so its on your end
If anybody can get viol2t to turn that ego/anger into good gameplay, its Crusty
no skill backs up telling someone to kill urself lol
@clear crane i mean his ego .. . nt that
mb
fair
imo it doesnt matter if you're the best player in the world, you are going to lose sometimes and you don't have to be a baby about it lmao
laughs in chipSa
He's still best zen and bap tho im not wrong
Man I hate Numbani B
100% pro record
100% pro record
@feral zodiac laughs in super genji
I personally don't mind it, it shows they actually care. A lot of players in the league seem to not give a shit
Did super genji get potg
ksp, ksf, and ksaa confuse me way too much
Exactly
Sinatraa tweeting last night was funny tho
i don't mind the banter and trash talk but viol2t was just being toxic and boring
@clear crane did u see the top reply lmfao
Half the players in the league are boomed Bc they’ve stared at a screen for 6 months and just record L after L
wat was it? I think it was u left your team last time i checked
I wouldn't say his tweet was overly toxic. Just tilted
@sinatraa So you're admitting you bailed on your team when they still needed you?
if shanghai can make it past season 1 i think everyone else will be fine
ahhh
@sinatraa Lol at least least they didn't quit their jobs and ditch their teams midseason
Lul
oof
So many hot takes on twitter
Sinatraa really had nothing left to accomplish in OWL tho
Not like he lost his love of the game or anything
owl champ, owwc champ, mvp as well
@sinatraa The only thing you'd be sitting on if you still played is the bench with me
1719

no lies there

zarya and tracer are banned lol
Sinatraa wouldn't have achieved much this season. He wasn't even the #1 dps on any hero on shock
and doomfist is out
chipsa 
I’m excited for ChipSa to get dropped after this season
Uh, he was definitely the #1 doom for shock
He’s actually hot shit on any hero not doom
if u mean dropped and switched to Content creator for Fusion, den yea lol
is chipsa retiring
Idk what it's like outside of goats
oh wait
ChipSa for content creation
was he signed for any reason besides his brother being on the team
He was the best goats zarya
if you have the stream minimized it doesnt count doesnt it
Idk what his zarya outside of goats is like
Sinatraa was the best Zarya in GOATs
I like Diem Zarya better
Chipsa probably makes Fusion more than enough to keep in publicity/marketing
his brother didnt want him on the team

Think how often people talk about him, and he's played 1 map all season...
Why do Fusion care about money they literally are sponsored by Comcast
They have deep pockets
Why do apple care about money, they're literally worth hundreds of billions
Because they're a business still? The more they make, the bigger their budget will be


