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LETS GOOOOOO
FUSION FANS MALDING LIKE EGGSHOW
ggs
gg
ggs everyone
gg
gg
ggs 😦
gg
yep
ggs

DAB ON EM
told ya shock would win

expected tbf
VAMONOS
Super interview pls
gg
GG
GG
fusion just fell apart
yep

sado isnt good
poor heesu
gggggggggggggggs
that was boring
shock really shouldnt have run ans on the sombra, they might've 4-0ed

turn the cams off
poor alarm
i dont wanna see em cry
he played so well
ggs
philly really not gonna win anything huh
GGGGGGGG
6000 sr
gg
poor alarm
Take rascal out and fusion wins
@raven escarp That was 1 map. Still would have lost the other.
nah
ripp
unlucky dps meta for fusion
they could just put in taiyo instead of rascal
noice
yeah im surpised they didnt play him at all
shock >>>
imagine if they didn't let architect leave
they'd be even better
TWILIGHT MVP
most unlucky timing for him to leave
TWILIGHT FOR MVP
well, they got twilight when architect left
viol2t is better imo
maybe they couldnt afford it or smth
ta1yo is a really good gengi
we didnt get to see him tho
aight boys time to get my 2nd shock shirt
thats a lot fucking sleeps holy shit
twilight secured oasis
That's the Cr0ng answer
Gg
30 sleepys my god
I still think alarm is the roty front runner
fleta mvp
@forest raven yes
That's the Cr0ng answer
@sullen berry lmao yess
Philadelphia "We've Still Won Nothing" Fusion 
lmao philly fans are malding bad rn
rt shock
Shock adapted and beat philly at their own game
that's fucking terrifying
Zero practice genji i dont need practice no scrim time EZ WIN
GGS @Fusion
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also
jfc
i gotta say tho dragons looking the best on dive
lol
damn
so it's shanghai vs sf ?
rascal just practing his blades in his head
prob
i dont think
This team is terrifying @earnest leaf
Didn't Super only play Genji against Boston?
they lost because they had no carpe
id love to watch dragons vs shock
super is so damn smug i love it
if the current experimental nerfs go through to orisa sig, I wonder if rein will take over
The ego grows Weirdchamp
if it does shock beats dragons 100%
if it goes to winston zarya mainly, dragons might beat em
How are the Shock so good
I think it will take a long long time for there to be another team that could beat the Shock roster at rush
Crusty's crack pipe can do magical things
teamwork, thirst for win
Super literally just said they didn't plan to run him on rein
Is that it season 3 is over?
Drugs
What is this team??????????
MVP talent on every role, and on the bench, that no other team can match.
damn
they're too goddamn good
I'm glad I've stuck with shock since s1
Aw dude
no rascal no win
so does this mean that there will be another shock skin?
No
borger
Is season 3 over now ?
This wasn't the actual playoffs
oh my bad
Two more weeks of regular season games
get sticked bugged lol
Then postseason
When does postseason playoffs start
they played this one for wins on the record right
kind of sucks that smurf isnt in the mvp list
if i get the code is it wrong to get a another team skin?
Okay show me Shock v Shanghai now
like
Thanks
houston out
s
They’re the best
Two outstanding main tanks
Ex NYXL off tank
Terrifying support duo
Quarter finalists get 1 bonus win, semi finalists get 2 bonus wins, winner gets 3 bonus wins @scenic saffron
Two of the best hitscans Blase and Linkzr
And losses aren't recorded
oh okay, thanks Draw
I think if sombra and dive are still the best
Shanghai win
If rein is more viable
Shock win
Fearless rein is not anything to sleep on
Philly coaches actually throwing
Their rush comp is clean

philly is runaway 2
Shock is the best rush team in the world
I want to see Shanghai rush into Shock rush
Fearless has shatters like Eye of the Kaiser
in the dive im putting my money on dragons
in rush its pretty even
if u didnt watch the apac showdown, dragons basically played it like a regular season game
it wasnt even close
Shanghai didn’t want to lose their first map to Hangzhou
shanghai are so stronk
It's amazing how much more hype overwatch is when orisa is out and ana is in
IKR
lol
Does an MVP skin only come from the actual play offs
Mhm
MVP skin is for the season MVP
And there's a champion skin for the team that won the year
playoffs are next
2018 jjonak was mvp and got the zen skin, london won and got the winston skin
ye
2019 sina was mvp and got the zarya skin, shock won and got the doom skin
and then zarya
@warm elbow
seoul,shanghai and seoul pog
oo rematch on the 15th
will there be world cup this year or not
Probs not
and im p sure we got seoul again the weekafter
well i dont think itll make a difference
Christ
@forest raven ok thanks
It's only 9:30am
hopefully i get 60 tokens
LIP
SP9RKLE
MANO
CRONG
ALARM
MOTH
Would be my dream starting 6
super and space said they wouldn't play in it
and the 100 for the code..
space said no?
I think
So they’d have to Go uhh
I know super did
theyre playing owl games on cam so they should ba able to play world cup on cam
00:35
Man I watched that flank
yea no US aint winning the WC again
For DPS I’d def put Danteh
The balls on Twilight are massive
that lineup of 3 shock players was enough to pull it through
ye
wait was alarm crying
I remember they said just listen to moth and they win
If you want to win just get part of a good OWL team and som other talent
Alarm sadge
If Korea wants to win just get Shanghai’s starting 6
lmao
pretty much
With all of them
We said that last year
And they got boomed by France didn’t they
Or close to it?
in the group stages
SK didn't even practice last year lul
however they lost to the US
i feel WC gonna be hard to pull
France didn’t even have a good WC roster
unless they play for regions
Hey
too bad he aint in the league anymore
ez clap
zunba has a legendary zarya
Miro pepeHands
nerds
dive may be overtaking DS on most maps
Mei nerd 🤓
I really enjoy Winston Zarya Bc the dps lineup and support lineup seems to be map dependent
Ofc that’s also with not shit genji
F
I wonder how many I got
bro how will mayhem beat them
PhAt rip
maybe back then

I wonder how titans would be rn
If they didn’t cut the roster
And kept bumper
probably numero uno
we all want to see dragons and shock
hm
Oh uh, soe's had some bad news? I was wondering why she wasn't on
shanghai fucked spark so hard today lmao
Yea, hope soe is all good
ye
Yeah same
Wow
i havent played games all day
Shanghai has five more series wins than shock but only a map differential five better
Philly has one more game iirc and it’s Shock
So Philly gets another loss and Shock has 3 more games last Philly lol
lmao
Pog
Dragons have 1 yes
But shock will def take 2
Unless Shock sandbag which they aren’t known for
Shock always go hard
well they havent lost a regular season game ever since they lost to both la teams
lmao
I love locking at Shock map records
Those first 2 matches were something else
Looking
That was strange
That wasn’t the first time we saw Sinatraa on rein either
still can't believe we did that
And then Shock immediately took a map off of Sinatra’s zarya
and then people overhyped but dont realize its way too early to call it
super was so bad in those games 
like when people thought seoul were a top 3 team
Smurf not an MVP candidate btw
fearless not an mvp candidate btw
kekw
Remember pre season when Void was getting shit talk for not being good enough
remember inaugural season when boston were top 4
Thank crusty for that
LIP has been the biggest surprise so far in the season
we all thought diem was gonna be the starter hitscan
but nope LIP comes in and pounds
LIP roty 100%
alarm tho
Or just MVP
Hanbin
bruh hot damn
hes only lost 3-4 maps this season
Smurf insane
Zero practice genji i dont need practice no scrim time EZ WIN
GGS @Fusion
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Where you at @tropic herald
Here

So in sync
Rascal op
Lol
fearless
Fearless a close 2nd
only cause Shanghai believed in him again and not like Rascal who was pretty much chased out of Dallas
Now I want the next plat chat
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true
Hang on I'm apparently blocked by swingchip
LOL
I haven't even messaged the guy
Swingchip is a woman
Oh must be some offline time before the playoffs, who knows
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Private accounts getting their content retweeted is kinda strange
when is trill akm and unkoe announcing their retirement to move to Valorant full time?
End of the season
pretty much saw 0 playtime from them, ive seen them play tons of Valorant from other streamers
when they ride out their contract
At least Zach had some dignity
zach getting hate from Valorant community too, feels bad
he had a huge blunder yesterday
what did he do?
Swapped brig
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What did i just witness right now
here is the TLDR from Tikatee's article
TL;DR
On Fuel, we tried to force Decay to fit into a team he didn’t share a vision with. This led to his understandable frustrations as we struggled to meet his expectations.
On Team Canada, I relied too much on player individuality and experience and didn’t provide enough structure to them as their coach, which contributed to our poor showing.
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Direct quote
And that's why shock is so goddang good
Cause they like each other
so much that they wrestle on beanbags regularly
as "adults"
And crusty knows how to run a team
Fuckin
Shock were kinda asleep in the beginning against florida
Game break, talk with crusty
Team came out and fucking spanked the mayhem
OH NOOO
I remember giving jeff kaplan all my credit card info because he wanted to make another OW
LIBERO NOOOOOOOOOOO
Good to help others out
Just watched some of the matches
I wish Chengdu could've won 😔
When do they get the ability to go quad dps again lol?
When ameng becomes commissioner of OWL
ameng gets all the ladies
I just went on his twitter
idk
why this is so funny
You have been insulted by the Ball god, Jeff Kaplan
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I feel so bad
but this is so funny
ggs @DallasFuel choi when u have grav please please calm down and use ur brain
2046
Whoa choi
calm down
love seeing koreans get memey
Can someone summarize the tourney
What are some highlights
I was outside
I know carpe didn't play?
Why
Paris took advantage of a new meta in the summer showdown
Cause Heesu was a better sombra, i guess?
well
the games up until semis are irrelevant
Shock had some questionable performances but woke up against florida with ans' widow and against philly with rascal's genji
cause its just rolls
Shock exists within a hyperbolic time chamber
And Dragons are the best team in the world at dive
Dragons poopoo'd all over spark
Lip is stupid at sombra
Dragons look untouchable, Shock are omega clutch and omega adaptable, Fusion are great but not good enough, Paris look quite a bit weaker @next mesa
charge fucked off somewhere
Everyone adapted to sparkle genji I guess
Cause at first it pretty much assblasted everyone
Xzi looked kinda cold
now with the removal of brig armor pack sparkle couldn’t fuck as hard
damn sinatraa really might be the best valorant player in the world now
Nice
They were
no, he did meh today
?
it is more so with valorant due to the value abilities provide
second highest on his team was 24
no, 38 was yesterday I think
oh
i didnt see today
but yesterday was it just a straight up carry?
cuz that seems ridiculous
it was in the end rounds I am told
he seems to have clutch factor to an extent
but I would argue his team tends to be more consistent than him overall
I am interested to see how rawkus, babybay, and corey end up
they looked semi decent
zacharee
did not
We won’t see Sen or Faze play for a while neither are in the knight invitational
And idk when the next ignition tournament
Is
Weird thing to bring up, but people really triggered that super was interviewed for the match instead of twilight.
Real question. Why the fuck do people care? It’s just an interview.
OKAY WHO THE FUCK IS VOTING FOR XZI?
the same brainlets voting for carpe for mvp
eye
I disagree
I think there's no real MVP of 2020
like in 2018 there was an obvious one
jjonak
in 2019 there was an obviouis one
Sinatraa
in 2020, who's the obvious standout of the league?
above every other player?
I mean I'm honestly so upset Shu is so overlooked because he was gonna be my MVP
I think he was the 1 player who's never been below incredible and has been head and shoulders above most other players in the league
well until Shu can deliver the results the team have already put in
chara and shu will continue to be slept on as a support duo
esp when alarm + funnyastro set such a high bar straight out of Contenders NA success and a slight dent going into Contenders KR
are you referring to stats
yeah
or results of the MVP run
the current stats
with a bar graph
no offense to OWL, but I find it PERSONALLY offensive to see EILEEN AND XZI AS MVP CANDIDATES WHEN THEY'VE BOTH PLAYED LIKE 1/3RD OF THE SEASON
wouldn't it be fair to xzi if he had a legitimate reason?
and that he performed not worse - but better after an injury?
However it gets shortlisted, they had to evaluate across the whole season up until a certain point
they ignored Moth, Benbest with his glowup (although I can understand it, that was more of a personal yearning), Gargoyle, Shu, and Guxue (another personal thing), and instead EILEEN???
this tells me they couldn't look past summer showdown, where every part of the player was put into their assessment
yeah like Eileen is so out of left field
agreed
I think he was the weakest candidate of the starting 6 in Guangzhou
but still MVP-worthy according to the ones that elected him in the first place
he's looked hit and miss at his worst
Honestly my MVp would be alarm or Viol2t
but you can't say his genji looked like it was scuffed during the one tournament in the season he stood out
I think his genji has always been good
"wore" lol
xD
lol
but his genji hasn't been bad
but what else has he done
I'm sorry I'm just so pissed that HE got a nomination when I could find 1 player who deserved it more on almost every team
except chengdu
fuckin chengdu
I apologize for kinda hijacking the chat here lol
my definition of MVP is what happens if you subract this player and substitute them with:
DPS MVP = TTuba
Tank MVP = JMAC
Support MVP = CarCar
it took some stats to back that up
look at the list of highest deaths in their career and tell me which of these are surprisingly good at their role
@silk frost
I should have made a time lapse of this
I'm gonna do a rewatch of the NA semis
that had to be the tightest matches before the Fusion and Shock finals
given the unfortunate performance off the back of Spark's hot streak against seoul and chengdu
Finally, some good aussie contenders
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae_hxGxe5IU
50 minutes
@sullen berry Is there gonna be Frogger hate this week?
wdym
I mean Froggers viewers basically single-handedly saved the OWC viewer figures last week
But yeah, there were also an army of haters in chat.
should that really surprise you
as much as people meme about the viewership
that kind of goes hand in hand
I've got a couple apac games that I missed so imma watch them a bit later on
Double tokens was very pog too, I gained like 300
made bank from 11 tokens
less than halfway towards a future all-stars tank skin
so long as there is regular season matches, I'm still going in on these streams
nice chart
Apac stronk
gatekeepers of the top 12
london depends on how many times they need to be taught a lesson
or if they can get some EZ wins so Seoul don't have to throw away strats with toyou
<-- Anyways, textbook production coming your way while I stream this in VC
How are Seoul that high
i have no idea
because the lower half of NA is just that bad
Fleta hits 100k votes
by voting?
Im lowkey hoping ANS gets MVP in this season because i want a special widow skin lmao
Although unlikely

if carpe wins tho we might get a special widow skin anyways
but I think they get to choose which hero and his favorite hero is cree
Fleta already said he’d get an Echo skin
So I know where I’m putting my hope
I wonder what skin we’d get if certain teams won
Like Shanghai would be a sombra skin right?
eh idk
I feel like they wouldn’t do that
Just cause sombra is cloaked half the time
ye
No
A miro skin would be dope though
then we’d have 2 Winston skins cause xqc and miro got mvp
Bc they got it for overall season
i feel like miro and jehong should have gotten winston and ana skins for the impact they had
ye
oh wait xqc got winston skin
ok then nvm
still jehong's ana skin wouldve been so cool
2018 WC mvp was jjonak right
Imagine if playoff mvps and roty got skins too
ye
If they were to do apex skins or something jehong and miro would get skins
Yea Corey popped at 2020 wc
for mvp i hope a main tan... oh wait
how's ANS doing these days?
overwatch league wasn't formed until late 2017
not the greatest
aw
wasn't he basically picked as a widow specialist?
yeah
why would they make him play something else
hitscan is good elsewhere
no prominent ashe player in shock
i see
gotta get someone to pick her up to a high owl level
They make him play other heroes Bc if they want to play widow they play him but widow isn’t good for entire maps
they need him to be more like rascal to widen his hero pool
makes sense
yeha
otherwise
Like widow is great for some of KR but you should definitely swap to Ashe or Sombra at some point
he becomes a Korean equivalent of Kephrii
kephrii 
Kephrii isn’t good
what happened to him?
Crusty don't need a Korean equivalent of Kephrii
valorant
Kephrii is in masters hackusating random diamonds
he recently returned
but to the disappointment of players
Kephrii hackusated yeHHH and Gargoyle in one night
yep
“He’s too urgent”
they also throw his games regularly because he's streaming full time
let me just do a big brain manouver and hackusate this Jjonak guy who's stomping my game
Kephrii is on the enemy team wyd?
trigger bot time
Im lowkey hoping ANS gets MVP in this season because i want a special widow skin lmao
@sturdy drift he isnt even a candidate
the spoon 
what a parisian
How to survive primal when you don't have sleep WORKING 2020 NO SURVEY NO VIRUS https://t.co/ZnzdGkLXYN
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What is this

@edgy tinsel yeah i was joking in the way that I want a special widow skin no matter what
If any candidate is giving us a widow skin it would be Carpe
and he go OOB
Xzi soldier would be refreshing
His soldier is nice
soldire is played in OWL?
But I feel like they make you pick a hero you played lots of
soldier*
carpe would be either widow or tracer
There was one week where Soldier was meta
wtf
One
he has the most play time across the past 2 seasons
interesting
wtf is that clip
Wait why did carpe not play again
We've Won... But at what cost?
As a coach??
Yep...
Makes me happy and sad
Bazzi and Persia on the same team in Valorant
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also support t2
@raw ermine his hanzo was on fire in OWWC
like dietz nuts?
What a fun snack
meat nuts
if spazzo isn't signed next year as a coach, I will be absolutely livid
https://www.ggrecon.com/articles/talon-s-head-coach-spazzo-on-scrimming-owl-teams-winning-pac-his-career
He was with Fusion UNI?
damn
I though he could be head coach just off the fact he was doing well with talon
but damn
Weeks 28-29 Hero Pool: Genji, Tracer, Zarya, and Brigitte Out of Rotation
No genji tracer
We gonna see echo ashe again?
Zarya was alot more used
Wow charge/hunters dodged one hell of a losing streak i bet
higher chance for her
With zarya banned it's just gonna be double shield again
No profit zarya kek
Kekw
imagine if you said that to someone in 2018
Yep
SPITFIRE GONNA THRIVEEEEEEEEEEEE
brig is dead anyway

Gesture vs JMac for two weeks
Jmac is better ngl
^
individually gesture fares betters
but they'd rather be putting up toyou if he can either practice or give gesture a break
Well Fleta and Xzi have over 100k votes for MVP
Dang fleta caught up
are you fucking serious
genji tracer zarya brig
nope, not sigma, nope, not orisa
this is with their nerfs tho?
so much winston was played, it's possible orisa wasn't there
but sigma should have 100% been picked
The double shield nerfs and all that won’t be there
So we have good ol double shield for another 2 weeks
And then maybe playoffs will be on the good patch?
@tropic herald Did you see the clip from super's stream
pro or ranked, I'm done with that boring low iq comp
What clip
Watch supertf's clip titled "Devs changing the meta to be more fun for playoffs"
People wondering why Orisa Sigma and brig are getting nerfs
....
Thank God they're getting nerfed
once again
That Brig has too much survivability
She's literally a tank
At least Hanzo can one shoot her now
250 + 250 = 500 HP
Hanzo had 0 reason to be played prior to brig nerfs
I don’t miss Hanzo I just think he should have more than a 0.0% play time
2 shields should have never been meta
@tropic herald is that during countdown cup or overall
That’s the current 2 weeks
But I’m not sure if the cup data has been added
So it could just be one week
Given how long monkey play rate is I’m gonna guess that was just last week
Low*
hitscan hanzo was scary
We are going to see a lot of Orisa Sigma Ashe X Bap Zen
Hey anyone play on Xbox and is on nae looking for contender leauge I'm dva main
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Ok
sparkle mei

nico mei
Even the OWL teams replying to the OWL tweet for the new hero pools are against these pools LMAO
Real account
???????
Mm
M
M????
????
"Here are the heroes that will be diving out of the #OWL2020 rotation"
Just putting salt in the wound
Stop
lmaoooo
Sigma and Bap were never banned the entire year
RIGGED
At least brig got banned
Ye
should i get shd skin for dva or ball?
Who would you guys have on your dream team? (Starting 6 only)
Ehh let’s say 2 per team limit
Lip Striker Sado Choi Viol2t SanGuiNar/Alarm
Moth is Lucio/Brig which is what’s needed for main support
And imo Mano’s one of the best all around tanks
He had a solid winston Rein and orisa
His orisa and rein are subpar imo
I dont remember his Winston
His ball is good
also brig is dead now
I think his reins good just doesn’t suit his teams style
Maybe he does, we've just never saw it, secret weapon
NYXL wants to play protect the president with Jjonak whereas Mano wants to play what’s working rn
While Jjonaks good I think NYXL needs to trade him
There’s so many good flex supports and they’ve tried Jjonaks style for 3 years now and it can’t push them to the top
Fearless, Hanbin, Carpe, Haksal, Twilight, LeeJaeGon
Exactly what danxv said
But id switch the support line
To Viol2t
Keep leejaegon i think
I’d go Carpe but for a starting 6, LIP having a good sombra in his hero pool is too good to pass up on
Tanks not getting enough recognition
very hard to pick between smurf and fearless
i'd pick void over choi because i fully believe his zarya is superior
yea zarya is choi's worst OT
unless i'm a melon and void didn't play zarya
now the dps lineup is a really hard choice
Fearless over smurf
is this team to fit every meta or just the current meta
smirf has a good rein
but yeah fearless is probably better
on rein
smurf has a much better orisa imo
super rein>
Fearless' hero pool is a bit better
ez
and winston i think they're dead even
Super rein is the best rein the league its not even close
disagree
Yea I don't know of another rein that is better than him
Who's better
Ye
Eh
fusion players are hard to judge
Sado is a good rein
unless they're alarm
Mano is consistently good
mano is a solid overall MT
Fearless is better than both of them maybe at rein
best main tank in the leavue ez
Not sure though
who else plays rein in owl
muma mia
Mumas winston is decent
and never touch rein again
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