im inclined to believe it as i dont think owners want that over their head if it turns out to be true
#esports-discussion
karmic grotto
Bro
Decay can start on any team
Holy shit
Nicos contract to run out soon
Maybe Rush gonna get Doha
Reunion
Element mystic
weak bolt
Give Aero a 3 year extension, and sign Muma, Lullsish, Chipsa and roar
karmic grotto
timid jacinth
Hey
Last night I ran into Blase’
And we asked him if he would like to be traded or play for a different team
He responded with no comment lol
verbal gorge
cant wait for decay to win next season
timid jacinth
He’s a genji one trick in normal comp
hollow zodiac
i don't understand why Dallas keep Akm and unkoe, they don't play Ow anymore, they full focusing on Valorant but dallas keep them... They prefer to fire Decay lul
verbal gorge
contract obligations
they are releasing decay cause decay wants to leave
im guessing he wanted to leave for another team but dallas released him after the signing window so he’s stuck doing nothing till next season
hollow zodiac
Oh okay thx
hollow zodiac
Yep
rocky pulsar
Even though, Akm and Unkoe should retire if they want to stop OW and go on Valorant. It's the more ethic thing to do
hollow zodiac
true
rocky pulsar
Yep but that's not very cool imo
verbal gorge
why?
rocky pulsar
So many pros have retired to go on Valorant when they could've done the same
true hound
huh
verbal gorge
thats prolly because they already have a team
true hound
its perfectly fine
rocky pulsar
Hyp, Sinatraa etc...
true hound
how is taking advantage of free housing and a salary in the middle of a pandemic being unethical
its just being logical
viral veldt
Is akm signed I've heard of him but never seen him
verbal gorge
yes akm is still signed
viral veldt
To who?
verbal gorge
fuel
rocky pulsar
Yes it's the more logic thing to do but it's selfish I think
verbal gorge
???
rocky pulsar
Both for fans + the team
karmic grotto
Aero still not fired. What a shit org
verbal gorge
u cant fault any of those 3 players for getting paid according to their contracts
green stump
More of the Fuel management proving why popularity doesnt mean they are good coaches/managers
rocky pulsar
Yeah that's the more surprising thing ^^
karmic grotto
Mediocre results for three years.
Keeps releasing star players instead of trying to work with them
By not changing themselves
true hound
omegalul
green stump
Its likely not a matter of 'working' with the players, its more the staff not able to keep up with their players
verbal gorge
well hastro talks about aiming to become a championship team while at the same time firing the only person keeping fuel from not being utter dogshit
rocky pulsar
No they're not doing anything wrong "legally" sure. But that's not something I'm ok with
green stump
Judging from this season alone, and by previous statements made by like Ricard Lewis, the staff dont know how to make Fuel great, and only relay on good players to carry the team, which burns them out considerably
true hound
i can totally see why Decay doesnt want to practice
if thats his reason for it (as in, not being a diva, but actually being burnt out as fuck)
karmic grotto
Yet they don't consider on firing Aero. He must have blackmail material
rocky pulsar
They have had so many good players over the years, it has to be coaching's fault
true hound
lul
karmic grotto
BLACKMAIL
true hound
they just dont know what to do
clear crane
true hound
idk man
clear crane
verbal gorge
eh no
true hound
yeeted
clear crane
Burn down Dallas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rocky pulsar
Dallas dead for the rest of the season
true hound
throwing away players
rocky pulsar
Maybe Boston can win now
green stump
Its more likely Decay wanted the team to do more specific kinds of practice and wanting to expand on their micro/macro gameplay and spend more time working towards players who can actually perform at the level Decay needed to win (or anyone else who left) and the staff had no idea what that meant
rocky pulsar
They destroyed Effect too sadly
clear crane
so that was like Rascal lol
clear crane
NA coaches are shit
verbal gorge
effect self destructed kinda
karmic grotto
Setting up goals
verbal gorge
fuel certainly didnt help
green stump
Most of the Korean players have experience with their korean coaches, who are all about the micro/macro, and then going to NA, especially with coaches who are more concerned about their finances and money, than making the players better probably was like a slap in the face to him
karmic grotto
I'd rather had Decay stay with Gladiators
But now he is free.
Can he still find a new team?
verbal gorge
glads has their own issues too
rocky pulsar
Rush succeeded in making Paris a good team in a few months (KR recruitment helped too ^^)
green stump
It was probably a situation where the players would come into the room, and aero would say
"okay, lets watch some replays today"
And they would and the coach would go
"Okay...what do we need to improve here?"
which is a Big negative on Korean players
rocky pulsar
No he can't, trade deadlines seems over according to OGE
karmic grotto
Aero: well, you know what to do.
verbal gorge
rush managed to make nico look good in a playoff series sooooo
true hound
sparkle runs laps around everyone hes a chad
verbal gorge
im just implying how good a coach Rush is
green stump
The korean players count on the coaches to FIND these things, and explain how to improve and benefit from each specific micro/macro play. The players then grind out those improvements into their overall Macro win condition.
If the coach is asking the PLAYERS to determine what they need to do, then it creates bias and an extreme lack of perspective
verbal gorge
decay could prolly coach fuel better than aero does
karmic grotto
The latter
verbal gorge
if he gave a fuck
rocky pulsar
I think it's good to ask players what they think their mistakes were, but only if you have the answers for them after that
karmic grotto
Perspective. There is was no real plan in the matches. Does any of us had any idea what Fuel was even doing most of the time?
verbal gorge
uh
karmic grotto
Decay hard carrying the dumpster fire of a team
verbal gorge
prayer circle for decay to hit shots on widow?
true hound
lmao did you see Doha's "nanoblade" yday
clear crane
Aero has never ever been a good coach
karmic grotto
@true hound
clear crane
he has nothing on his resume that shows hes a good coach
verbal gorge
‘nano pls’ ‘no’ ‘ok have a nice day’
green stump
Its likely the plan was
"Okay, keep clearing LOS for Decay or make space for decay so he can do his work" So Decay would just basically grind mechanics while everyone else was trying to catch up, but there was no fundamental specific gameplan set up, it was just indidivual improvement and when that didnt work, it was just the regulard "okay..you guys know what you need to do, try harder" without realizing that the ENEMY TEAMS would be doing everyting possible to LIMIT decay because they KNEW he was the only problem on the team
karmic grotto
true hound
@green stump so as demonstrated with the Shock
like, i forgot the exact game
but Decay got shut down so fucking hard
and Fuel were absolutely useless
karmic grotto
Many teams in NA don't have that kind of strategy to work with
verbal gorge
rmb the may melee where decay dominated outlaws on rialto? they played shock the next time and shock just played around decay and fuel got rekt
green stump
They didnt need to shut down decay, just limit his LOS and then force him into a duel with unfair odds
karmic grotto
They have mechanical players, but 0 performance visible
weak bolt
Aero's only achievements are when good teams have carried and would have done so without him
green stump
and its very easy when the front line is just basically playing like bots
verbal gorge
they legit cant do anything if decay is shutdown
karmic grotto
Coaches are the leaders, the ones with the vision. But... what can you do as players?
green stump
Not only that, but they could win the game just by stalling for LOS objectives..
verbal gorge
watching shock play that game was such a good experience tho
especially after watching outlaws support line peek decay 300x in a row a few days before that
true hound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2Vc5L_Giew ah okay found it, I remembered the round because it was kings row and Decay had absolutely 0 LOS on Attack
green stump
Basically, all the enemy team needs to do is just not give the proper LOS Decay needs, even if they are a WORSE TEAM than Fuel, if they just do that, they will WIN based on TIME gain
true hound
they got shredded
karmic grotto
Basics 101
green stump
Because they know the Fuel are extremely shitty when to to managing ult fights
karmic grotto
When in doubt, go back to ranked basics
green stump
so you just need to overwhelm them with ults, and they will win, they dont even need to fight decay or win fights, just make him waste as much time as possible
karmic grotto
It's like they forget the basics of their role
green stump
which would explain why Decay didnt want to practice, whats the point?
true hound
so its like
Fuel doesnt know how to play well around Decay, just relies on him to carry, while Paris plays perfectly around Sparkle
karmic grotto
I see
true hound
and enables him as much as piossible
karmic grotto
That's like saying Decay
verbal gorge
yeah
verbal gorge
watching paris play around sparkle is such an experience
tossing in immortality to enable him
true hound
cause like in the melee its not like sparkle was mr. 1v6
green stump
@true hound The entire Paris macro game is enabling Sparkle, so Sparkle was basically showing his pathing and how much time he needs and how much of whatever resources his need and whatever, and instead of saying "okay team, make it happen"
The coach went "Okay..first...it might be impossible to enable you the whole time cause the enemy team knows you are a major threat, so instead, we should make it so the rest of your team has to be dealth with FIRST and you can use that time frame to get 1/2 kills in, so lets work on first maxing out our aggression /mitigation game so we can force Benbest and etc to be a force to deal with to find openings"
Instead of enabling sparkle, they just made the rest of the team be a bigger problem
Because since they all know how to enable sparkle, just leaving his team up to run around will give Sparkle his way in, so its a catch 22
THATS MACRO MANAGEMENT
which is not seen at all with Dallas
true hound
ah
verbal gorge
if decay is taking so much pressure off your team
u should be able to do something
as 5
green stump
bingo
true hound
easy to shut down one player standing out on a shit team, versus shutting down a player with the help of a good team putting the same amount of pressure
green stump
and as an enemy team, its way way easier to deal with that super good player, when his team is feeing your team ult charge like a damn buffet
verbal gorge
if everyone is focusing sparkle they arent looking at the rest of paris
and the rest of paris get to fuck
clear crane
The players themselves on Dallas arent that bad. Its literally just shit coachig
verbal gorge
decay prolly happy being free from aero
green stump
The Dallas Coaching staff is looking at just Decay or a star player to carry them, without even realizing the reason Decay was able to carry them in the first place, was because the enemy team didnt expect him to play that well
verbal gorge
kekw
green stump
Once the enemy knows they have to watch out for Decay, everything falls apart
karmic grotto
I bet, if Decay would go to... uhm
true hound
crush the carry, crush the fuel
green stump
Send decay to a team who WONT put him immediatley in game, make him a map specialist
and he would love that
clear crane
Decay cant even play in OWL till S4
karmic grotto
greatly
verbal gorge
not sure about map specialist
verbal gorge
i think decay is at the level where he can play every map
green stump
Im saying it for DECAYS benefit
verbal gorge
prolly just needs other win conditions
instead of being pressured to hard carry EVERY game
clear crane
If OWL is gonna look to go back homestands and traveling S4, ur gonna need like 12 man rosters, just to relieve a lot of burden
green stump
If you want decay to become a titan, you need to put him more as the specialist for certain maps, allow him to really put his talent to work in carrying games on specific maps
it makes it much harder for the enemy team to practice fighting decay when they have to worry about 2 other team comps at the same time
Because decay is really really good when hes allowed to duel uncontested
But if he has to worry about doing that for every single map of the game, thats gonna burn him out fast
karmic grotto
When you are not an owl coach, but have better analyse than owl coaches (looking at you Fuel)
verbal gorge
doesnt feel like map specialist works especially well
verbal gorge
maybe not play him on control
verbal gorge
yeah but nico isnt decay level
true hound
idk why but they won that map didnt they
verbal gorge
he can focus on certain strategies
true hound
did they play nico for that reason (having multiple comps for philly to worry about)?
verbal gorge
and be a strength even when not top tier and multiple heroes like decay is
tropic herald
Nico is very good at playing the smart dps heroes
clear crane
and their Echo
tropic herald
The brain on that man is something else
clear crane
as big as Cloudy?
tropic herald
Idk
green stump
You cant have one player be your sole duelest for every single map, Hitscan Dueling is extremely grueling for DPS players, unless its like Tracer where its much less pressure. You cant have one player doing all the dueling for every single map, against every single team in the league. No one could take that amount of pressure and stay sane
true hound
cloudy ascends all
verbal gorge
no cloudy doesnt use brains he uses his big balls instead
true hound
owl burnout big
feral zodiac
Gotta be passionate for the game
green stump
The fuel force their players to handle so many situations, so many maps, so many matchups, without any support, direction, or win conditions that players cant handle all of it, and start fucking up, which makes it WORSE on them because then they have to fix this shit when they are forced to know SO MANY DIFFERENT plays, situations, players, etc without any form of guidance...
tropic herald
green stump
and then when those players get pissed and dont want to do it, suddenly its their fault?
tropic herald
✍️🧐
true hound
KyKy omegalul
verbal gorge
the only team i can really think of that uses multiple widows is shanghai dragons
clear crane
Paris does it sometimes
verbal gorge
fuel did the multiple widow with taimou/akm id say it didnt go well 🙂
true hound
Taimou sadge
clear crane
and I think both Carpe and Heesu play Widow
green stump
yeah but you still have a shitty staff behind them
green stump
talking about dallas
true hound
ohh
green stump
Thats pretty much what they did, and well...
true hound
He got alcohol addiction and all sorts of bad shit happened
karmic grotto
money money money
green stump
yup..Decay was making money for the fuel..
true hound
Never subbing out your hard carry, now is burnt out and doesn’t wanna practice
hmm I wonder who’s wrong here
verbal gorge
well id need to grab a carton of beer if i won 2 maps for my team and they subbed me out only to get reverse swept
karmic grotto
This is why KR staff teams are more successful than NA staff
green stump
well..
earnest leaf
It seems the bots on dallas have no idea what to do
karmic grotto
tropic herald
https://twitter.com/unterow/status/1290368248161026048?s=21 god Dallas is getting burned to the stake
Twitter
green stump
lets be honest, a lot of 'coaches' and 'staff' in KR can be just as bad, if not worse (remember that there tends to be a lot of unethical practices for Korean players and chinese players)
swift moth
you hate to see it
weak bolt
Doesn't matter to Dallas, their fans will still follow them. They'll make 'big changes' over the break and they'll all be expecting them to be top 3 again
green stump
@true hound Gambling, stealing money, harsh working conditions
verbal gorge
LOOK AT SEOUL
swift moth
has dallas ever been top3?
clear crane
guy gets wayyyy too much credit
verbal gorge
they are literally korean dallas LOL
green stump
lol the horror stories of the Korean League of Legends pro syndicate can give you nightmares
weak bolt
In the eyes of Dallas fans, they start every season as a top 3 team
swift moth
oh lmao
true hound
Outlaws are sad but fuel
verbal gorge
ehhh
earnest leaf
@green stump Krystal lying so he can go smash everyday and collect a paycheck
true hound
Fuel is just like plz
green stump
@earnest leaf lol
verbal gorge
im pretty sure fuel fans alr know their team sucks
green stump
nope
Their team is good
Its just wasted resources...its the staff who doesnt know how to do anything with them
true hound
every post match thread is Aero plz
weak bolt
It's part of the Fuel cycle. You start the season with dumb expectations, shit hits the fan mid season, and you go "oh well, go agane" and repeat
earnest leaf
The players aren't even really bad for fuel now
swift moth
I think last season was worse with the zach brig situation
green stump
lol I mean, look at when they had Jayne
true hound
The inventor of esports
verbal gorge
zach was a nut at hanzo tbh
swift moth
zach was not meant for brig jail
verbal gorge
he was a specialist dps getting stuck on roles he couldnt play
weak bolt
You could make a netflix season on Dallas honestly. It'd have so much drama
green stump
I like to think of the Dallas coaching staff as those coaches who tell players "Dude, you should be in a higher rank, you play like a ____" and creates massive inconceptions and misunderstandings in the players brain, because those coaches just want you to feel good, not be good
verbal gorge
GOATS was a really weird experience tbh
if ur dps player cant play zarya why not get an off tank player to do it
swift moth
well decay really is one of the best players
verbal gorge
if ur dps player cant play brig why not get a support player to do it
tropic herald
Stylosa to Fuel?!?!?!
true hound
Yes
verbal gorge
really mind boggling stuff
true hound
overanalyzed: fuel edition
green stump
lol I mean, it wouldnt hurt, but wouldnt make anythign better either lol
true hound
“What the fuck are you doin mate”
weak bolt
Dallas players aren't bad, but you can see they lack proper coaching. I bet if you gave that roster to Crusty/Rush/Ninek for 3 months, they'd be like 4th or 5th NA at minimum
true hound
free all of Boston smh
verbal gorge
think fuel should just go full western
swift moth
@verbal gorge in case you had to swap off of goats, that way you would have a 2 2 2 lineup readdy
tropic herald
Twitter
verbal gorge
didnt look like anyone was swapping off goats for like 6 months
weak bolt
Myunbong is fine, he'll have like 1 more game for Boston and then he's off to the highest bidder
swift moth
hunters
karmic grotto
green stump
Its just more evidence of just how shitty the OWL teams were at the start, and how much the people who were making these teams and the OWL manamagent had ZERO IDEA how to set up a fucking esports team
Monte, save us
verbal gorge
well only hunters? and some teams like outlaws that realised they couldnt play goats at all
clear crane
Any change with Dallas needs to start with Aero and Hastro
Everything else doesnt matter until that
weak bolt
Boston probably only have 1 more game this season, their playoff match and when they lose that they're done for the season lol
true hound
Blizz forcing the league omegalul
swift moth
@verbal gorge the phrase "hunters" and the phrase "only hunters" are different things
true hound
dunking on all the T2 tournaments pepelaugh
swift moth
please don't put words in my mouth
verbal gorge
hopefully myungbong isnt boomed from playing on boston
tropic herald
How come Blizz can’t just regulate teams better
true hound
Fusions is a fucking champ
karmic grotto
At least, that's what we expect
verbal gorge
‘only hunters’ is my own words
verbal gorge
i didnt put anything in your mouth sir
karmic grotto
Mineral LOL
clear crane
What do you mean by regulate
true hound
Regulation
Of teams
Except they kind of can’t because it’s a 20 mil buy in or something
green stump
Monte again proving he knew what was happening in the scene showing the deep problems in owl.
true hound
Regulate bottom teams to a lower league
clear crane
ooo like EPL
verbal gorge
relegations?
clear crane
yea the 20 mil buy in. no one wants to agree to that
edgy tinsel
replace mineral with aero
true hound
He’s bitter but he has good takes
verbal gorge
any bets on who dallas will sign to hype fans up next year 
clear crane
i can see players just choosing not to sign there
similar to boston
unless they ahve no other offers
verbal gorge
no it has to be a good korean that will break their back trying to carry the team and then flame aero for bad coaching and eventually get released
clear crane
like Decay and Gamsu didnt even choose to go Dallas. They were traded there
verbal gorge
true..
clear crane
same with Note I believe
green stump
Its likely just a situation where the mangaement and staff on Fuel are more intersted in being friends and having a team together, than making a good esports team..
clear crane
and Closer
verbal gorge
rip closer
clear crane
Doha is the only one I can think of who signed there
verbal gorge
everyone forgot about him
tropic herald
Pelican when Dallas hijack his Guangzhou contract and he’s playing for Dallas out of now where
clear crane
same with Onigod
karmic grotto
Nai, they might as well be a Contenders team
verbal gorge
feelsbadman
karmic grotto
or a T3 team
green stump
@karmic grotto close enough at this point
Lucky for everyone here, I found a clip of the dallas management team meeting
verbal gorge
friends together worked for envy, maybe thats why hastro thinks that will get him success xd
true hound
did they meet at in n out
karmic grotto
With the power of friendship!
verbal gorge
maybe if you are good enough friends you will get nanoed when you blade kekw
green stump
wait sorry...I think thats the Vancover Titans meeting...its so hard to tell the difference these days >_>
tropic herald
Maybe even the Justice meeting????
green stump
NO WAIT, my bad again, thats the blizzard conference room with investors
karmic grotto
Despite Boston having lesser players, they still have "coaching"
true hound
Outlaws meanwhile
tropic herald
The orgs still suck ass
clear crane
Justice just need a new MT
true hound
It’s like up and down
clear crane
and they will look much better
true hound
Outlaws cause me pain everytime
clear crane
Go throw 500k at Mag
tropic herald
I swear if Justice played like this all season they’d be more in Toronto’s place of standings
true hound
reverse swept by fuel, beaten by justice, hard throw their map 5
tropic herald
They just were boomed for so long
verbal gorge
lets not talk about outlaws
karmic grotto
In reality, the quality of the owl should have been much higher. If they want Overwatch League to be a success, don't let them look like dumpster fire teams
verbal gorge
i dont have alcohol left for this
true hound
Outlaws sadge
clear crane
Justice did kind of have it unlucky
We never saw the tank duo of Lullish and Ellivote
clear crane
that coulda been something
true hound
Cause muma is a feeder and hydration was thrown on it
green stump
and then pops up on my suggestions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c4bKR01GEg
verbal gorge
i mean
karmic grotto
OWL should have been miles ahead of Contenders with exceptions
verbal gorge
they manage to lose maps in the most unimaginable fashion
true hound
Carpe is more clutch than all of outlaws
karmic grotto
Imagine playing for an owl team, knowing you're dogshit and still playing
But 50k is 50k
clear crane
Twitter
clear crane
This is some great timing hahaha
true hound
I’m pretty sure he was a music student before the OWL
tropic herald
Effect big brain
Fuel is trending so he drops his mixtape about Fuel to get exposure
feral zodiac
tropic herald
God I love it and hate it
green stump
oooooo Dragons picking up Decay?
karmic grotto
green stump
might be intersting
tropic herald
They should pick up Decay as a flex if anything
tropic herald
Yeah decay hitscan god but he’s also up there with Projectile
true hound
Dding is still on right
tropic herald
Yea Dding is still there but he’s redundant
tropic herald
Linkzr retiring would make sense
feral zodiac
From the old roster who still plays regularly for Shanghai?
true hound
S1
feral zodiac
The one that lost everything
true hound
Fearless
tropic herald
No one really but Fearless
true hound
I think Diya is 2 way
tropic herald
Basically all them retired
feral zodiac
Sad
tropic herald
Except the few Koreans
karmic grotto
Decay kinda expensive
balmy wolf
isnt effect a shitty person though?
He took the controversy as an opportunity to plug his music
edgy tinsel
Effect isnt a shitty person
karmic grotto
well he was with his drama
karmic grotto
And that became a drama later on
verbal gorge
outlaws picking up decay would be big
shanghai would prolly drop diem if they wanted decay
true hound
Outlaws picking up a consistent hitscan would ruin the fun
clear crane
If Dallas loses to Washington in the cup next week
I can’t see aero still around....
Then again.....
hollow zodiac
oh oh oh hello Dallas
https://twitter.com/reprize_/status/1290365507686862848?s=20
Twitter
karmic grotto
Who?
clear crane
was it all reprize
or packing10 that was behind the mindset
of beating those teams
beat those teams but still didnt accomplish much....
true hound
huh
edgy tinsel
swift moth
huh
swift moth
yeah it is
edgy tinsel
Are u pepega its clearly very real
hollow radish
Lots of players leaving for Valorant. haven't seen this many changes in a while
hollow radish
Overwatch has the potential to be much better than it is now, it just needs something to bring it some life or refresh it
viral veldt
Owl gets less views then rocket League lmao
I didn't know rl pro scene was that popular tbh
true hound
its very fun to watch (RL)
even the early tournaments where it was much more of a shitfest
the RLCS S1 grand finals is like, a diamond game nowadays
the mechanics those players put on display is crazy, rocket league's skill ceiling is endless
tropic herald
feral zodiac
Gotta get someone for when they burn out onigod as well
dark hedge
they have akm
feral zodiac
Whomegalul
tropic herald
Yeah seems weird that fuel would’ve signed a guy to their OWL team when all he does is play valorant
inland pawn
thank god the fuel fired decay. the guy cant even solo 1v6 against top tier teams. It's great that they still have the incredibly talented coach Aero though. I wouldn't want it any other way.
feral zodiac
True
inland pawn
Go to the Shock and stomp on fuel like Twilight did to the titans 🙂
blissful heron
dallas
inland pawn
all the bottom teams
inland pawn
its either that or hes unemployed LOL
hot heart
Maybe he could go to apac
inland pawn
learn chinese and go to chengdu 
tropic herald
He would be pretty good for Seoul
hot heart
Chengdu
He would
But
Then again profit is a beast
Also
Would they even have the money to sign decay
He cant possibly be cheap
Hm
Maybe charge
Nah
They have happy
Hm
tropic herald
Thing about Decay is that he’s not just available to be a hitscan
He has quite a few flex under his belt too
inland pawn
like zarya 🙂
hot heart
His zarya was pretty good
Ngl
Glads did well without decay in terms of dps
Kevster has been impressive
And birdring did not disappoint
hidden vault
It's funny that wasnt areo the one that coached team USA? If his coaching was so sub par how could he have won?
blissful heron
i think the issue is oge's synergy for the support line
oge seems very disconnected from the healers
hot heart
It's funny that wasnt areo the one that coached team USA? If his coaching was so sub par how could he have won?
@hidden vault because the 2019 USA team was stacked af
It had shock players
At their peak
You cant loose
blissful heron
aero isn't a good coach haha
hot heart
He isn't
blissful heron
he has flashes of brilliance with his teams
but someone like packing has the consistency
hot heart
God knows what the man does on dallas
blissful heron
sleep and poop
hot heart
Packing is a good coach
blissful heron
lol i'm kidding
hot heart
Yeah i know
blissful heron
he just doesn't understand the game in the current state
hot heart
Aero or packing?
blissful heron
aero
there's some coaches who are bad because they don't do air
but aero isn't one of them
he does a lot of work
hidden vault
I mean team korea was stack af with crusty wasn't it?
blissful heron
idk and bdosin are really overrated
moth rawkus was the better backline
rawkus pulled his weight
and moth is the best MS in the world
hot heart
I mean team korea was stack af with crusty wasn't it?
@hidden vault USA was even more stacked
hot heart
Yeah
blissful heron
and crusty had a month to work with his players really
so it's about the individual talent in owwc
for example
hot heart
I mean how are you really gonna beat a team consistent of OWL s2 winners
blissful heron
team ksaa was a good team
hot heart
And some other great players
blissful heron
because of good aimers
tropic herald
Rawkus was on Moira
tropic herald
Moira was the meta flex support at the time so the Bdosin diff didn’t matter
tropic herald
Meanwhile id say that iDK is good but not for a non goats Lucio
hot heart
I just think USA had the advantage
Especially since most of the team was shock players
Or half i think
true hound
wdym
hot heart
They had good synergy
true hound
ohh for wc
earnest leaf
didn't team USA also scrim a lot more
tropic herald
Yeah
true hound
moth super and sinatraa all for wc
hot heart
Im surprised viol2t didnt get played for SK
blissful heron
that rumor was disproven actually
tropic herald
USA wanted to win while Korea probably assumed they would be gifted it
swift moth
now muselk makes fortnite clickbait lulW
hot heart
Muselk went from a YouTuber you either liked or didnt care about to someone you'd cringe at
swift moth
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
feral zodiac
Didn't fucking muma lead the us tank line that year
blissful heron
team usa this year could be like
swift moth
that year was 2016
blissful heron
Danteh Nero Dalton Gator McGravy Moth Dogman
hidden vault
All not in overwatch
blissful heron
probably the best lineup possible
true hound
for this year?
blissful heron
yeah
true hound
super aint playing though
blissful heron
y
true hound
idk hes not doing it
blissful heron
ok
feral zodiac
Mcgravy is cracked out this year
blissful heron
this team could still win the whole damn thing
hot heart
Oh
true hound
KSF?
blissful heron
danteh is a bit better
true hound
oh
tropic herald
I mean KSF yeah but Nero
blissful heron
for team korea tho let's think here
hot heart
Nero
hot heart
Decay maybe
hot heart
Carpe
tropic herald
Slime
edgy tinsel
danteh space moth dogman gator mcgravy and uhh
@true hound this is a joke right
hot heart
Dogman
tropic herald
Why you gonna have McGravy when@you can have Hawk
true hound
which other NA MT are you gonna take
hot heart
Oh nonono
true hound
for KR id def see Alarm/Slime/Twilight for supp
tropic herald
Wait
blissful heron
sp9rk1e carpe fleta Fearless Hanbin Shu Leejaegon
tropic herald
LeeJaeGon
true hound
DPS is Carpe/Fleta?
blissful heron
yeah
true hound
carpe fleta would be abuse ngl
tropic herald
LeeJaeGon Alarm backline 
true hound
yes
tropic herald
🧐
blissful heron
pepelaugh
true hound
fearless void yes
tropic herald
Fearless Mag MuZe Smurf are all options
blissful heron
i'd say hanbin is better
edgy tinsel
id rather an NA Contenders MT over gator tbh
tropic herald
But Fearless Void got that synergy
true hound
cloneman
blissful heron
put rush in the drivers seat
edgy tinsel
Was thinking Salieri
true hound
bro denmark
blissful heron
gator is better than salieri
true hound
Shax, Dafran, Shockwave
blissful heron
denmark is kinda stacked right now
hot heart
The almighty trio
blissful heron
let's grow dude
hot heart
True
true hound
put kragie too
hidden vault
Smurf choi
blissful heron
i've advocated a lot of henningsen to houston
edgy tinsel
Do u think SK will int their lineup this year
blissful heron
he meshes really well with meko'
because he plays passive but likes to be a playmaker
edgy tinsel
no
blissful heron
nononono that would never work
edgy tinsel
Mag to justice
edgy tinsel
bc roar is shit
edgy tinsel
roar to houston
blissful heron
language barrier and like meko plays like my grandma but she goes super sayan when she's mad
that's meko's playstyle
henningsen could really even out that tank line
and also sign a good flex support houston
rapel is an ana 1 trick
who's not even that good at ana
blissful heron
houston has great dps
true hound
Danteh is always super good, Blase is a doom one trick and linkzr is streaky as fuck
blissful heron
streaky players on good teams are the best players
they just pop off
no streaks
look at rascal for example
really streaky player for dallas
edgy tinsel
Thats dallas
blissful heron
but on shock he just went absolutely batshit crazy
tropic herald
He was streaky because Dallas have shit management
edgy tinsel
Thats like the tsm of LoL , ruin all the pros
tropic herald
Shock know how to cater to more than just English people
edgy tinsel
Rascal was great on spitfire too
blissful heron
even in contenders he was streaky
my point is shock likes coachable, but streaky players
even striker
a lot of players that crusty coached had a lot of potential but also no impact sometimes
true hound
eh i still think linkzr is the god of streakiness
tropic herald
Bro the thing is just that Linkzr is streaky
blissful heron
feel like shit want it back
true hound
thats his shtick
tropic herald
He goes really hot then is cold
blissful heron
if he had a good main tank like henningsen backing him up
he'd really begin to pop off
but linkzr isn't the issue
the problem spots are flex support and main tank
edgy tinsel
who tf is henningsen and why do u keep mentioning them
blissful heron
danish main tank
edgy tinsel
doesn't help
blissful heron
love the way he plays the game
think of it this way
he plays like meko
but he takes over the calls
so the disengages go smoothly
then a dps player just shows up on the flank or sommn
plush grail
where do y'all rate the fuel now
next mesa
whats goin on
next mesa
ik decay got dropped
plush grail
akm is kill
next mesa
I thought decay was happy with dallas
next mesa
because they tried turning it into korean or something
so I was like why would they sign paintbrush
idk
edgy tinsel
@next mesa hastro basically said
Reee decay no work with team
Kinda like
Reee rascal no work with akm
vagrant jacinth
Omg decay's gone
vagrant jacinth
tropic herald
#FreeDoha
hot heart
Doha could go to a top team
feral zodiac
Decay to shanghai
plush grail
i guess dallas really is the team where talent just goes to die off
the OG envy squad got fucked
they had racsal, one of the best dps players but still let him go
tropic herald
Seeing people say it’s a player problem is what really hurts me
Yes the players aren’t amazing but when this many players get fucked by the system maybe we look at what causes this
plush grail
dallas just needs a reset
plush grail
we dont even know if decay is burnt out on ow
or just tired of dallas
but nah seoul has profit
plush grail
yeah fits and profit cover everything they need
stuck radish
give him to boston
next mesa
I mean now that decay is gone dallas will literally be shit tier
plush grail
florida might need decay
tropic herald
It’s not even the players faults
cloud latch
london?
tropic herald
Florida May want decay but I doubt they’d get him
tropic herald
Boston? More like retirement home
plush grail
remember back when punk just joined boston
and they actually didn't look bottom tier but like
just below average tier
tropic herald
That’s called honeymoon period
plush grail
also brussen who just dipped
and like 3 months later
joined a contenders team lmao
digital cloud
no way
tropic herald
OH MY
silk frost