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Yeah
That counter
Nano was wasted, no need to commit blade too
gr
I feel like yeah NY should’ve adapted faster
Shanghai basically just rotate EMP and a tank ult to win
Unlucky new york
And it’s very clear that they target Zarya after every EMP so they should pocket their Zarya after EMP
Can we appreciate how much of a chad fearless is
Who here wants a Fletta MVP skin?
old titans would adapt
Countdown cup means I can safely farm tokens
Am now happy
All stars and mvp skin here I come 
And then in fights that get scrappy Shanghai just win because they have so good mechanics
why is it TBD
idk
It’s part of CC and they don’t have the teams that play
No idea
Bumper would out chad fearless
They haven’t seeded all the teams
Nah bumper would hard feed in this meta
So they just have no idea who plays that match
Well, his playstyle worked great for titans
whether rein or winston
titans are aggro af
How fucked do you reckon the casters sleep schedules are
the tbd is the matches for the 12 seed and 13 seed in na
Do we call them night workers at this point
Depends which casters
haksal torb
that turret😆
Respec
Okay NY are finally playing super anti sombra
About time
Imagine shanghai if hacked healthpacks still gave sombra ult charge
Emp time
yup thast an emp
New york still going though
Void on sigma GG
F for fleta
Fleta rip
did you see fletas blade
You were saying about void 
it stopped like .2 seconds before anamo would have died
Turret carry
ez torb
bianca keyboard position exposed?!?!??! (NOT CLICKBAIT)
Time for banzo
Wait why was LJG on zen
the bumpzo
next week is no matches?
@karmic grotto dont think so
the bumpzo was kinda poggers tho
Jeez that piercing freeze
Shanghai just said nope
league is really awesome
???
Lmaoo
nerf mei
nyxl got smoked
Yep Void on sigma
4:25 vs 2:00
F
Damn
Tickless
Yep Void on Sigma
C'mon dragons
yepcock
ggs
gg
gg
Yep Void on Sigma
but i you gotta respect how fast jjonak got the amp matrix in the last fight
that was winnable tbh
Pog
BOTH MY TEAMS WON TODAY I FEEL SO HAPPY
Unless Paris beefs hard today they have seed 1
Who has seed 1 in apac?
Shanghai
Ah. Didn’t know if it was Chengdu or Shanghai.
Unless Shanghai lost Chengdu couldn’t have been 1
Chengdu second?
yeah this is an interesting starting bracket
Chengdu uses first pick to go for London
Hangzhou v Seoul 
and lastly
Guangzhou v New York 
lol empathy that nickname
the upset potential is there
Chengdu just got to play Ball Zarya
Which is probably their best tank comp
O
at least I have them highest than I've ever put them to win their first tournament
for bad seoul
they put up a fight
err how would i put it
they had a 6 minute time bank on volskaya
their round 2 ended in a draw, so yeah they lucked out and Guangzhou could not make it look easier on map 5
Who put Houston in APAC?
Okay so NY wins first game
Hangzhou and Chengdu the other games
Unless Ball a Zarya is shit
Then London wins
you've got two good ball players in ameng and JMac
But then Shanghai beats NY and Hangzhou beats Chengdu
Giving us a Hangzhou Shanghai finals
Where Shanghai should win pretty convincingly
This is it, the great London comeback
Nomegalul
Lemme dream dammit
a corn can dream
idk, chengdu don't have bad internet to blame it on if they play bad after their performance these past 2 weeks
this weekend everyone's got no idea how high they stack
ameng has bad orisa
despite... thrashing spark and seoul for their final regular season matches
yeah I think they got lucky with no double shields
Okay Seoul bad but beating HZ is at least an accomplishment
Seoul is the bottom of most people's rankings
but that doesn't hold up to how they will play tournament wise
There isnt a way people rate london below seoul now is there?
Hangzhou is definitely in the upper half of APAC rn
I don’t think anyone has Seoul not at the bottom
Platchat had spark until they realised they beat seoul
yeah it's pretty good scale as to how seoul got to where they are now
keep in mind, seoul and spitfire have a lot more matches to finish this regular season
Here's all the pacific teams, with Dallas and other disappointing teams I left in for reference
They are incorrect
yeah spitfire will have some good practice
Liquipedia has the correct ones
Seoul are 11th rn and barely just because they went hot once in a tourney
They have 3 extra wins from tournaments
they dont deserve that spot
When was the last time they won a regular season match
June 28th
their last regular season match win results, smh
Dallas has been performing the highest in their entire org's regular season
thanks mostly to doha/decay/onigod mix and the OG boston tank line
Seoul would be 16th without their tourney wins smh
NA closing wins might drop seoul out of the top 12 advantage
they'll get seeded against NYXL or guangzhou
Seouls past 2 wins:
June 28th : 3-0 Chengdu
May 9th : 3-2 vs Shanghai
I thought all teams go to the playoffs
I think Gladiators could take Seoul’s spot
@clear crane yep they still do, I'm talking about some advantages they get... which doesn't mean a whole lot atm
ah
map differential
this year might be the closest we've ever seen so far to a good mix at the top level
Mmm
S1 was dominated by NYXL, S2 was Titans/Shock. This year was mainly SHD and Shock until the Summer Showdown
Maybe they are considering Seoul 8/16 not 8/19
this entire middle could change quite a lot with a 5 map difference
if Outlaws wins against * cackles * Shock and
- laughs *
wins countdown cup
If any team in the middle wins a game they can move up or down so fast
that's 4 Wins
10-14 which tanks them higher than dallas if they get no more wins
Also Paris are really hoping to not drop a map today
i know it's hard to believe, I'm betting nothing on that happening
Can’t see Paris dropping a map
Paris I had not expected to break top 6 with this roster at the end of last season
Everyone forgot that Rush is god tier
I had them top 8
absolute god tier korean coaching + talent for <1 month of backlash from diehard paris/EU fans
Paris coaching is just good
totally Xzi's high tier hitscan and nosmite playing when benbest was at his benworst
Xzi has such a good McCree
And benbest suddenly looking great on not rein
his orisa has been excellent
Could be Levi
Took some meh players and made them look good
Levi Rush and Aid are the coaches, with Ninek as “GM”
But pretty sure he helps as well
yeah can you imagine we are living in a timeline when flow3r didn't prosper for 2 years and sp9rkle did while he was signed less than 12 months at his peak
Too bad there’s no Gauntlet this year
Im looking forward to next year already as a Paris fan. 2 big decisions to be made: Is Fielder signed beyond this season, and will Muze replace one of BenBest/NoSmite
or will Paris sell him for $$$
Muze??
honestly the conteders roster is really good
Is Mer1t old enough for owl yet?
I wonder if Lr1s permabenches Dogman
Very likely
most likely
But Lr1s is in Korean unless that was bait
Merit just turned 18 I beleive
depends if he sees it as competition for the role because of how fast he gels with the team
rewatching
Seoul vs
Guangzhou on Oasis
really I'm surprised seoul didn't take it on library
it was 99%-0%
Cup winner in APAC is def coming from that NYXL/GZ/SHD side of the bracket
and the during overtime GZC takes it
yikes...
NY have to do their homework if they want to beat Shanghai doe
ah but you see they did
take the L and find out what Dragon's weakness is in time to rematch GZ
which might screw up their chances for a countdown win
NYXL is no longer that snowball team
I feel unless Orisa solidified back into the meta that NY should beat Guangzhou
Will the Genji nerfs make it in time for the cup or after
guangzhou just bored after widow and orisa was unplayable with hero pools
I think they are after
so they really just experimented and took the 3-0 last week
Seoul needs like a proper rebuild. Not throw giant money at players from former OWL teams...Getting rid of Fleta still surprises me
nah they didn't get rid of fleta
didn't see a purpose in resigning for another 2 years so shanghai ate it up for their player signings
they didn't trade players, typical of these asia rosters it seems
Guangzhou would have bought out Neptuno's contract for another 2 yrs
@lucid goblet the 4K Genji


oh god
If Paris 3-0 Washington, they should do it. They cant fall lower than 2 unless they drop 2 maps
If Paris drops a map they are seed 2 unless shock also drops a map
Neither team should drop maps though
@keen warren my preds, including next best predictor and "fuck it seominsoo" on twitter
nah man
Houstan wont take a map
Vancouver is getting schwacked
Tbh
I would'nt be surprised if the literal Vancouver server is gonna release Press release stating that they are separating from the team
I see it as a 3-1 to defiant
Titans have improved but are still kind of disappointing
Not their fault tho
Players i mean
Management is unbelievably fucked though
Bit late
Oh shit, oh fuck
there's your english screencap
preds?
now?
Chengdu have hope
@worn falcon ur kidding right? Spitfire is the only apac team chengdu hasnt took a map off, also hunters are actually awful in double shield
@edgy tinsel Shhh, there is hope for Chengdu
He doubted chengdu, get em
yeah don't go kill the vibe @edgy tinsel
@cloud latch
3-1 
3-2 
3-0 
==
3-1 
3-1 
==
4-2 
idk seoul in playoffs is better than reg season
Then they probably wouldn't lose to london
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Nvm this is Seoul
What am I saying
Of course they'll lose
im going to disagree with you on the guangzhou win
just based off how teams seem insistent on plaing winston
sadly i dont think NY will win the whole cup
They looked good against shanghai
Who is by far strongest team
BiaNca
Rn
yes but who is the second team they have to face
Shanghai
Gosu gamer
the team that just smacked them in 3 maps
No
I mean
one map was an anomally
I really doubt
If at that point they already beat charge AND dragons I really doubt they'll choke
Yeah true
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knew it was going to happen too
Well dynasty might go to the finals again
I will miss seeing his Cake on stage tho
dynasty have looked like hot shit
Depends what version of dynasty comes up
Good dynasty have a good chance of making playoffs
i refuse to pred dynasty make it anywhere in the cup
Bad dynasty gets knocked out with ease
Tourney dynasty is always better than normal
I didnt watch alot of OWL this season, thinking I will watch Paris but why can you enjoy this? We all know who gonna win
Ow justice will win xd
?
Sureee

if paris lose a map thats very bad for them
So you think this will be a close match?
Of course not
@tropic herald You think nyxl will beat charge in double shield?
no
It's just fun to watch
they're not playing chipsa, no wonder washington isn't going to win today
that's what the meta is gonna be
simply based off of the main tanks
Not winston
teams were playing both today
We don't know how nyxl will perform with bianca
They might not even play double shield
With bianca
This season the lower bracket are far more away from higher bracket (besides mayhem shanghai history)
i just think ny rely on mano to make plays and he cant quite do that on orisa
but if orisa doesnt come back for apac then ny are fine
In season 2 houston could win from Shock, but this season 😅
Viol2t not playing isn't gonna change anything
And houstan are currently shitting the bed
When they have twilight
Super Zen 
Shock paris fusion shanghai are good right now, or do I miss someone? I do love hunters to but yeah
Charge
I will rewatch that match in replay viewer
Even ATL what I had big hopes for this season... smh
Charge
Only his pov
Hanbin do be having some filthy sigma stats
HanBin is girthy
True
Has huge cock
New york are up there sometimes as well
Perhaps
Other times they're not
Idk
People call seoul inconsistent but New York are almost as inconsistent 
Choi and cr0ng do be up there
Yeah
Yes I agree with that list
Tbh i’m sure NYXL can do it. Maybe with another main tank but it’s the damn coaches
Nah their main tank is fine
i dont believe mano is the problem
Mano
Crusty doesnt deserve it but would love to see him get released so he can play on another team
Is the most consistent MT in OWL
Arguably best main tank last season
Mano can’t play around ball
Yes
I'd say smurf is the most consistent
Mano had a nasty ball
its more when mano doesnt play a main tank like winston or rein he cant do his normal thing where he picks up the ream
Against charge
team
Do you watch the games
Mano's ball tech is kinda clean
??
Does mano have as good an orisa as the other top main tanks?
Didnt they play someone else over mano on the ball last week?
No?? Wtf lmao
No
mano has a fine orisa but he cant play the same style on orisa like his ball and orisa
wait
@feral zodiac orisa might be his weakest tank
*rein and wisnton
I can remember someone was said like that in tactical crouch
That hotba or idk who played ball
Like his rein Winston are on another tier
I think NYXL should get a Backup MT
O
So either a) make him go hard on learning orisa and burn him out or b) buy an orisa player and it's ez claps for new york
theyve been putting bianca in more as they have been playing more zarya
That might create new synergy problems
let's roll with stitch mccree
Nyxl confuse me
With Mano being on the team for so long
They have top tier players
https://streamable.com/4ln6ak this clip give me doubts about nenne
The new nenne grav
When it's a full league New York perfrom pretty well
Nenne grav 2.0 pogU
wait
ball bully sombra instead the other way around
how do justice have control
???
When it's just apac though it's not as obvious with how good they are
this isnt supposed to happen
I'm not watching either
BENBEST MONKEY????????
lol I didnt knew stitch was in justice
what was any of that fight
@night tusk where the heck have you been
@karmic grotto didnt watch in corona untill paris vs fusion finals
justice used one ult
?????
Sandbagging 
paris spaghetti all over the floor
ye this point was the worst rein point, now we have benbest reinn
Not spaghetti
yes but why didnt they just go orisa
They've flipped the entire fucking banquet table
W
Im actually malding
ttuba
Any paris fans here other than me
Beacuse im sorry
???
I like paris this season, cant call me a fan if I switch every season lol
what is this game
sadge
retired?
also i was finishing up something in BOTW and.. justice took a round???
the fuck
how
paris overestimate how poorly they can play
benbest winston
and justice slowly getting better
roar dead first? never heard of that one
bro justice could be 50000x better if their mt didnt like dying
paris are actually sandbagging
im happy paris is not one tricking xzi and make soon viable aswell
roar always dying first
they wanna lose i guess
ttuba diff
@faint rain then leave. there's nothing for you today
you don't want to watch shock dominate
Im malding
paris is actually throwing
ttuba diff
Just play douvle shield omg
17 final blows damn
playing monkey into double shield
3 ults
Oo
and itworks
Hanbin
just not working out for paris
Huge
it works if u dont throw like paris rn
its not the comp its the fact that benbest is on winston
@karmic grotto where?
But why would you play benbest
roar sadge
last games or what?
what
nvm
tf
no
???????
H
STOP
if justice get a map that would be huge for them
LOL
PARIS WASHED
HOWWWW
PARIS YOU FUCKS
JUSTICE
lmao
kajfa
PLEASS STOP
PARIS
fuck this mab
WHAAAAAAAAAT

Just

this is beautiful
What the fuck
boomed
OH MY
@karmic grotto who played monkey into ds and won?
Washington clutchtice
STOOOP
THIS DIDNT JUST HAPPEN?!?!
Shanghai curb stomped double shield
@balmy wolf Dragons, Spark
ok
I'm confused as to why they didn't just mirror double shield
they are better at each role for that comp lol
well
im from europe
honestly just double shield all of oasis
and?
now I feel slightly better about Houston's loss to WA
i have to work dude
I SEE IT
well rip
How can u cheer for Paris in this match
I SEE THE 3-0
yes
can always watch highlights
Go justice bro
I SEE THE 3-0
@tropic herald cursed but i see it too
i mean sd can win with any comp
spark 3-0ed london
genji dif
lets go justice
well
ttuba diff
Ttuba is kind of crazy om genji tho
Justice tryharding to make shock tryhard so they get #1 seed
To save outlaws from super zen
Lmao
london is shit at double shield so that could explain
The super Zen
Ttuba second best genji in world
Houston is probably hard boomed
that loss yesterday
Was the most painful thing I’ve seen
@sullen berry going OW for a bit, inspired but I'll be back for the later games
Still tho
Paris 3-1
The ending of the Houston match yesterday is kinda like what the justice just did
Crusty said ttuba best genji so ttuba best genji
Not healing Meko
Shock should 3-0 Outlaws now matter what
mayb
Outlaws look dead in the water
super zen
Wait justice actually
Therapist: Dont worry, The Super Genji cant hurt you.
The Super Genji:
Overwatch League Champion
Stage 2 Champion
World Cup Champion
May Melee Tournament Champion
Roll Star
All-Star
MVP Runner Up
Genji God
Zen God
Just fucking
Hey guys what’s ttuba backwards
@karmic grotto quality content 👍
👂

What are you talking abutt
Justice honestly has been getting better
I really wanted to see ANS vs Linkzr except 2 issues:
- Houston is probably hard boomed
- Linkzr either makes the game a 5v6 or goes nuts
@hot heart need to add all star caster in there
True
if they didn't have roar they would be way better imo
justice still have those new players they gonna sign
Since he kinda gigafeeds
Justice have been getting better but at the same time
Why are they beating Paris on maps
Sign the man
Fissure 
And muma
bruh
Fissure Mag Muze
Muma mia
They hace mastered the art of inting endlessly
yes
I honestly think fissure would be a good addition to justice over roar
Yeah
muma is better
that's debatable
hmm
N
Muma can show up at times though
Muma
muma also hyperfeeds
muma? 
Is the worst MT
Hydration replaced him lul
He's better than muma
Yeah def
i actually like roar on anything but rein
Isn’t his Winston giga feed
he feeds just a little
Like Muma Winston is better than his rein it seems
he feeds just a little
@tropic herald
roar is int on every hero
Muma winston is actually decent
Wouldnt be surpised if he got subbed in for Winston
Hydration Winston is
Not very inspirational
hydration is gonna go support next
rascal lulw
Have you seen it's a hard knock life for roar 
Pogu hydration support
yes
Havent seen it
Kariv widow is clean
is the audio out of synch for you guys as well?
dang Rawkus thanked a lot of people
didn't thank super lul
Someone sign laiser
also 🦀 Rawkus is gone 🦀
kaiser
Welp Paris just dominated justice
Lmao
winnable!
Welp
I mean koth is usually a clusterfuck map that can go either way
3-1
and justice ran double shield more than paris on oasis
and double shield is just the better comp
Kaiser is actually good
I just wanna see hog n' ball
ORISA BALL
adn justice have rally
CHENGDU
WASH AND SWEEP
Wait that dash was so risky
I mean
Kinda not
He was gonna die anyway
Might as well get someone
someone said if paris lose a map it would be big but map pools are gone isnt it ?
if paris lose map they probably wont be seed 1
OOO
thats whats big
huh
This man is just
I believed they removed it this season
Sp9rk1e would do well on shock
there is map pools
I mean map score
Imagine if they signed him
It matters for tied set win streaks
do you mean map picks?
O
Hm
Well
Thats probably gonna be a sleeper
Imma wait for shock houstan
Super zen

?
ttuba diff
paris jsut beefed so hard
considering everything that was really good from sustice
My brain
so nasty
sparkle team wipe just about
sparkle 
WHAT WAS THAT
soon f
rip emp
You absolute 
such a weird emp
Why'd they not emp
It woulda been a 6 man
When justice pushed in
Stitch stunned
yes but he was inside their team
You absolute pepega
was it stitch or ark?
Cuz it woulda been a 6 man on a small corridor
Emp in choke like that
such a bad place to emp
^
tagged spawn 
Was almost fucked
just paris eternal thingsTM
oof
jjanu :(
zzzz
double shield
Sp9rk1e and fielder actually cant do more
yeah, soon's not had much value this round
clean grav
DONT DO IT AGAIN SOON PLEASE
What the fuck
Legit throwing
i'm scared
soon??





