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worn falcon
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Even without genji shock made it a super close game vs paris
@earnest leaf they got their gengo specialist

digital cloud
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GET THE HEALERS

sullen berry
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Third Impact has basically disbanded unofficially since last couple days/weeks

digital cloud
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well, yeah

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but the players could still be together

sullen berry
raw ermine
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taiyo

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NICE

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3 hitscan?

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hmm

sullen berry
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Ta1yo vs Sp9rk1e

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BIG IF TRUE

worn falcon
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ta1yo for gengo
striker for Tracer/McCree
Ans for Widow/Ashe
Rascal for Mei

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and super for the benched gengo

digital cloud
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Shock just had to go big for Genji didn't they

next mesa
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whos ta1yo

tropic herald
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Ta1yo to Shock PauseChamp

digital cloud
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dude from TI

tropic herald
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Flex dps for TI

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Well

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Hitscan

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But can flex

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Oh wait

worn falcon
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🐢

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Assistant Coach

tropic herald
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F

silk frost
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a japanese player for shock?!

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also London finna lose out big there imo

tropic herald
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Anyways Ta1yo I think is the “Architect” that crusty was looking for

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I wonder if that means there is a “Sinatraa” yet to be signed

silk frost
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I thought he was hitscan?

tropic herald
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He’s one of those players who has a genji along being hitscan

silk frost
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oh like a Birdring

swift moth
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well the question of who is playing genji for shock has now been answered

worn falcon
tropic herald
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Super was just a standin

silk frost
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super was a meme imo

karmic grotto
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what the fuck

worn falcon
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apart from rascal he is the only with gengo

karmic grotto
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taiyo made

tropic herald
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This also lets them play their standard aggro style if rein is meta with genji

karmic grotto
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HE FUCKING MADE IT

worn falcon
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doubt they made him to play mccree/tracer when they have striker

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can fill with Ashe

tropic herald
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I’m going to be sad if more TI players don’t get picked up to OWL

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I’m fairly certain Ta1yo is there for his genji

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And maybe a sombra??

silk frost
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waiting on Na1st to be in OWL

swift moth
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wait this explains why shock was hiding the fact that they were scriming super on genji

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but also I might be overreading it

silk frost
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can we talk about the snt thing

worn falcon
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SFS opened a trial after the defeat in the tournie

swift moth
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snt?

worn falcon
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so i guess they got a bunch of applications

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SNT asst coach for London

tropic herald
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I can imagine there was tons

silk frost
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how many fuckin plat genjis do you think applie

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applied

tropic herald
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Didn’t snt play for Florida at one point?

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Wait he did!

worn falcon
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yes

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then became coach

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aWesomeGuy

silk frost
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he did London's scouting

raw ermine
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changed his name

tropic herald
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There is currently no reason to not be a shock fan

digital cloud
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I hate winners

feral zodiac
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Huge sfs signings PogChimp

digital cloud
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and naturally gravitate towards losers like Houston and Atlanta

feral zodiac
worn falcon
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There is currently no reason to not be a shock fan
@tropic herald There is reason to be Chengdu fan

tropic herald
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Yeah if you hate winners sure

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But is there a single player on shock that you can’t like?

feral zodiac
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Oh wait empathy already linked the tweet

digital cloud
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super

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sinatraa when he was on

feral zodiac
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Viol2t maybe

digital cloud
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moth annoys me for some reason

tropic herald
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How

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Literal how

digital cloud
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"for some reason"

feral zodiac
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Surefour made me love gladiators

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Now look at them

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:/

tropic herald
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Glads are the LargeHugeFinns with Birdring and Space

worn falcon
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i hated space when SFS

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babybay when SFS

feral zodiac
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I like most of current sfs

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Crusty is the best of course

tropic herald
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I believe it is physically impossible to dislike Choi

feral zodiac
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Well

worn falcon
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Weeeell

feral zodiac
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What about when he's fucking over your game winning nano blade ZaryaLUL

earnest leaf
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Space never played for shock

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@worn falcon

worn falcon
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wait

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that was Valiant

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yes

earnest leaf
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yea

feral zodiac
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What did you not like?

clear crane
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Ta1yo is on shock!?

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There's your Genji

rare magnet
tropic herald
edgy tinsel
tropic herald
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Where’s Lr1s 👀

raw ermine
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lmaooooo

swift moth
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wait whats his crosshair

worn falcon
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No Lr1s 👀

tropic herald
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That’s what ta1yos crosshair is

swift moth
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lmao

tropic herald
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Oh

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I see

digital cloud
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what do you see

tropic herald
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I think I know where Lr1s is going

digital cloud
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it would be an upgrade

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but he could just be acknowledging he is bad

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which is pretty obvious

tropic herald
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Lr1s liked that tweet, although I could be reading too much into it

digital cloud
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well, that is more than nothing

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but they kept dogman in even with a potential alternative all the time

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so I am not too inclined to think they have decided to ditch him

karmic grotto
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is that player a good one

digital cloud
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TI in general was pretty good

silk frost
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Dogman needs to level up before a rawkus level support benches him

digital cloud
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heh

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he is sub Rawkus though in my book

tropic herald
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Are you implying that Lr1s wouldn’t be a vast upgrade to Dogman?

digital cloud
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I think it is more that most people would be an upgrade to dogman

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well, most Contenders/OWL people

tropic herald
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Also more looking

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Lr1s follows multiple coaches and players of Atlanta 🤔

digital cloud
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I see we have come to speculation again

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the speculation in this discord has been rather accurate in the past though, to be fair

tropic herald
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It’s all speculation but I think too many things that line up this well really point to something

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I could also be very wrong

sullen berry
clear crane
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lmfao Bren went all in on Genji Super

sullen berry
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but this had me mad upset for the guy

tropic herald
digital cloud
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you are slick\

sullen berry
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20 minutes of sideshow malding at houston's L

silk frost
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I agree

sullen berry
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credit where it's due for Babybay

digital cloud
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he is right to be mad

sullen berry
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he's had his own 18 minute video from Atlanta with all his close teammates with Shock and his mom finally got to appreciate him committing to esports

digital cloud
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Danteh threw that game

silk frost
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That isn't fair

swift moth
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he did?

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I dont remember seeing danteh throw

silk frost
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First half Houston looked good and Danteh was popping

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Then second half Danteh started looking absent

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And I believe same happened with Rapel, 1st half good 2nd half poo

digital cloud
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Eichenvalde was a definite throw for him

silk frost
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They looked boomed after 66

digital cloud
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and then they looked boomed yeah

silk frost
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Only Blase maintained composure the whole time

clear crane
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Blase is unboomable after dva jail on Boston

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and then forced on mccree for houston earlier

raw ermine
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He has the mental fortitude of a rallying, nanoed brig

tropic herald
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F for Justice

raw ermine
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yikesss

swift moth
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yikes

digital cloud
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Should have poached them while they could

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Too late now

hasty sable
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oof

clear crane
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We need the second part of that tweet

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answering why or how it fell through if they tried

digital cloud
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tl;dr they are Washington

swift moth
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I read some of the info in his twitter posts as well as the intellectuals in the comments and it may have been possible that taiyo/kevster were not chosen because washington wanted stich and jjanu

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and also ttuba seems to be a great genji

raw ermine
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you guys remember when Florida played quintuple DPS on nepal? or was that a fever dream of mine?

swift moth
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I dont remember that

raw ermine
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I must find the vod

next mesa
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ta1yo signed with shock

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someone introduce me

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who dat

tropic herald
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https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/Ta1yo

Liquipedia Overwatch Wiki
ta1yo

Sean Taiyo "ta1yo" Henderson is a Japanese-American player who is currently playing for the San Francisco Shock.
He is known for his remarkable Ashe play and his unorthodox crosshairs among the small Japanese Overwatch community.

next mesa
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tracer genji mccree ashe

digital cloud
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if he can Widow too he is basically meta proof

next mesa
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but they dont need a hitscan

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unless ans wants to take a break sometimes

digital cloud
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he might

next mesa
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watching atp apparently it will be

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genji and hanzo

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well

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congrats

night tusk
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small question, did Super played Genji on a official OWL match?

cloud latch
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yes

worn falcon
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yes

edgy tinsel
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yes

silk frost
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yes

sullen berry
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Yes
Ta1yo is Japan’s gift to NA Contenders

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He’ll make a great media personality alongside ans and super

karmic grotto
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How do you know that?

sullen berry
tropic herald
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Ta1yo is cracked

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That’s the first reason

night tusk
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super on genji is mentioned so many times, it starts getting annoying lmao

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how did he ? why did he ?

sullen berry
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looking at when i last seen you here Ando

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I swear it was like months ago before online started

next mesa
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this is photoshopped right

digital cloud
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I hope not

sullen berry
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Lighting doesnt match imo

digital cloud
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if only he was on a white couch, the meme would be complete

next mesa
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unlikely that he is already in shock headquarters

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idk doe

tropic herald
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If it’s photoshopped it’s very well done

next mesa
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actually he's already in america

sullen berry
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Yes

next mesa
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so nvm it's possible

digital cloud
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moth like "I want nothing to do with this"

tropic herald
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He was living in somewhere west coast iirc

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Idr where the TI house was though

next mesa
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anyway excited to see how shock performs

edgy tinsel
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how did he ? why did he ?
@night tusk he begged crusty so they tried it in scrims and it worked so they played him

next mesa
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also it was against boston lol

sullen berry
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Its no different to say, seagull learning D.Va

edgy tinsel
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^^

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or Hydration learning MT

tropic herald
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It was basically: we have a benched player who can fill a hole we have, why not use this player?

feral zodiac
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Is viol2t just a fucking giant

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Or is he standing on the bed

tropic herald
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He’s standing on something

clear crane
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Slur/Provide is not allowed to play in Contenders

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I see cancel culture has made its way here

balmy wolf
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Ta1yo reminds of decay

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Or kevster

clear crane
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oh wtf Taiyo is already in the Shock team house

digital cloud
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the new generation of dps gods

clear crane
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I thought he was back in Japan

balmy wolf
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He got signed last min

tropic herald
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I think the Japan thing was bait maybe or a coverup?

balmy wolf
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No it was real

clear crane
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so did he fly back or just never boarded

tropic herald
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Hmm ok then

balmy wolf
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His last chance was shock open tryouts

tropic herald
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Open tryouts were a while ago

clear crane
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His hero pool completely overlaps everyone else tho

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although its all of them put together into one lol

balmy wolf
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Hmmm more like architect hero pool

tropic herald
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He’s definitely the new Architect

balmy wolf
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Flick scan along with projectile

clear crane
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so no more Super Genji?

digital cloud
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likely not

tropic herald
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Genji and Hanzo is what I imagine he will play most of the time he’s in

balmy wolf
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And rascal had admitted to having the pressure being too much

clear crane
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I can see Shock running Super against Titans

tropic herald
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Rascal was expected to play every flex dps which is quite a task

clear crane
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He cant be worse den Dalton

tropic herald
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Dalton getting shit for expecting to be good at Genji as a hitscan player SADGE

earnest leaf
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Ta1yo is probably there for genji, and a hitscan flex if genji doesn't work in a game

clear crane
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meanwhile a hitscan who can play Genji just got signed

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why didnt titans jump on that lol

tropic herald
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Money likely

earnest leaf
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ngl titans are probably gonna rebuild a bunch in the off season

clear crane
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it still surprises me they went with SW over TI back at the beginning of the signing

earnest leaf
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keep whoever is playing well rn then dump the rest

clear crane
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but im guessing the coaches were a huge part

earnest leaf
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cheaper

balmy wolf
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T1 was probs expensive

clear crane
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Titans are loadeddddddd

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surprised

balmy wolf
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Its a different world rn

clear crane
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but yea with covid everyone is not profitting

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so i can see why

tropic herald
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Anyways, now we wait for another signing

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Whenever it happens I will be very happy

clear crane
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for Titans?

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or in general

tropic herald
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Oh not Titans

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Just the league in general

clear crane
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ah

tropic herald
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There should be another one soon

clear crane
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rumors of L1rs to Reign

tropic herald
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Idk when tbh

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That’s what I’ve been thinking or just been seeing rumors all over

clear crane
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he would def be an upgrade

tropic herald
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The Dogman tweet made me think about it

clear crane
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rip Dogman

tropic herald
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Like come on

clear crane
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peak jjonak or current jjonak

digital cloud
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current, surely

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peak was insane

tropic herald
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Do you watch any NA contenders?

digital cloud
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I watch doge and impact when I see them on

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both are quite good

clear crane
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I watched more last year

tropic herald
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Like come on look how good he is

clear crane
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ahh i remmeber this

worn falcon
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Which team needs support?

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Uprising?

clear crane
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flex?

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titans

digital cloud
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the most?

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probably titans

clear crane
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uprising needs a new main support

digital cloud
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Atlanta though is thought to be who is getting him

clear crane
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they need a new everything

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besides flex

tropic herald
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Atlanta is just the most sensible

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True, Boston needs some real upgrades

clear crane
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Lr1s not being on the new TI roster is def a huge hint

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I wish we cuda had a world cup this year

tropic herald
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Yeah that’s what really gave things away that he was somewhere

karmic grotto
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Atlanta is consistent in their performance. Not high tier, not low tier

clear crane
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would def be intersting to see the rosters outside korea

edgy tinsel
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Titans need a new main support more than flex right

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or is CarCar flex

clear crane
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hes main

edgy tinsel
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they need a new main

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more than flex

tropic herald
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I think the ideal thing would be to upgrade the entire Vancouver support line

clear crane
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its hard to tell honestly. wen a team performs that bad its hard to see any positives

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KSAA is the only one that has really shine imo

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and Shockwave to an extent

edgy tinsel
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CarCar got alphad by kruises lucio

tropic herald
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KSAA and COCKWAVE are the two standouts

edgy tinsel
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or was it kellex

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idk

clear crane
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prob kruise. think kellex already retired

edgy tinsel
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it was on lijiang

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CarCar got 1 n 1/2 ults

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kruise got 3

clear crane
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I cant wait till Muze is 18

edgy tinsel
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It wasnt even a blowout either it was 100-99

clear crane
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Imagine Titans dump their entire roster and sign the current Runaway roster again aPES_Think

edgy tinsel
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please no

clear crane
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They will get arguably the best contenders MT and also a great dps in Merit

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but yea i dont think it will happen haha

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ChoiSehwan is like the next Sparkle

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Has a great Genji and Doomfist

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AND he plays for EM XD

balmy wolf
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Lr1s has been consider a top flex support for a while now

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If hes getting signed anywhere he be up there

clear crane
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I predict he will be signed with the next 2 weeks

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before August

tropic herald
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Considering he is in Korea now

balmy wolf
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Tay1o got lucky since hes also American so no visa issues

clear crane
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200 ping Lr1s

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nbd

raw ermine
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I found it

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the Mayhem play quintuple DPS

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against sfs

feral zodiac
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I'm so happy with how KSAA has performed

blissful heron
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true

next mesa
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yes rumors of lr1s going to reign

raw ermine
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makes sense

next mesa
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yes they need to upgrade dogman

blissful heron
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I don't believe the rumors

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buddy of mine debunked it

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but i can't tell you who

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or people will get mad

raw ermine
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O_O

silk frost
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Crazy thought

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What if they pick up 1987

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He's looked really good in china

balmy wolf
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picking up chinese players is a lot harder for western teams

vagrant jacinth
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What games y'all looking forward to this weekend?

silk frost
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I'm looking forward to week 26

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also yeah picking up chinese players is hard for a western team, but from what I've seen in Contenders, I genuinely believe 1987 is a top 3 flex support not in OWL

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speaking on china, am I the only one who was wishing SeeYA would get into OWL for 2020?

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because I'm really upset he retired, he had a lot of potential imo

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ok I was looking and poking around and I had a crazy thought

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what if houston rebuilt and got diya

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a core of diya/meko/danteh

blissful heron
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linkzr is fine

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i hope they sign henningsen

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he's got a very adaptable playstyle

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meaning he can play passively with meko

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but he can also go stupid aggressive and get value with it

silk frost
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maybe

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hasn't he been kinda mediocre in contenders tho?

blissful heron
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recently

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but his team is kind of bad

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besides kssar and majed

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who are ok

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they also just formed

silk frost
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I don't watch much europe contenders I'm just basing my knowledge on liquipedia lol

blissful heron
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i like TU so i watch their games

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but the players have some work to do if they want owl

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munk could be good with proper coaching

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his widow aim is insane

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but his flanks are bad and seem unplanned

silk frost
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do you think Hadi could be in OWL?

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that's a player I've actually noticed in EU which is rare lol

blissful heron
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i don't know really

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very aggro

rare sluice
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whats everyones sr

blissful heron
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2700 but i coach masters and below mostly

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what's it to ya

rare sluice
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what

next mesa
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my career best is 351

silk frost
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are you talking about the players we're talking about?

rare sluice
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u coach masters but ur lower

blissful heron
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dude

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casores is the best coach in contenders

silk frost
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you know Crusty is plat right

blissful heron
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and hes diamond

next mesa
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crusty coaches shock but he is plat

worn falcon
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Crusty is plat

blissful heron
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crusty is plat

worn falcon
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Lol

next mesa
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whats ur point

rare sluice
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true levy

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and crusty didnt want super to play genji

blissful heron
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you can understand the game without being good

worn falcon
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Wizardhyeong is diamond

blissful heron
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harsha is gold

silk frost
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yeah but wizardhyeong isn't that good imo

blissful heron
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well true

next mesa
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bro wym

worn falcon
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The nyxl coach didn't have much experience in ow

silk frost
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he's solid but not incredible

blissful heron
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he's washed now

worn falcon
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He is solid

blissful heron
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but he was a genius initially

next mesa
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who's the nyxl coach again

blissful heron
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IMT

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garbage coach

next mesa
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because god damn he's fuckin trash

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imagine taking like a god tier roster on paper but just shitting on it

worn falcon
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The guy is a psychologist guy or something

rare sluice
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gyra what role do you play

silk frost
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he saved them in the playoffs last year

worn falcon
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A doctor

blissful heron
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the skillset doesn't translate

silk frost
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give him SOME credit

blissful heron
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@rare sluice flex support

next mesa
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bro

rare sluice
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so do u coach all roles

next mesa
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this mans doesnt know how

silk frost
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?

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I'm sorry I'm not that knowledgeable about drama

cloud latch
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just hoping nyxl gets a new coach

blissful heron
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personal coaching for a 3.4 avg team, mostly for supports where i teach positioning

rare sluice
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also do people pay for ur service

silk frost
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what do I not know about levy

blissful heron
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no i do it for funs

next mesa
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no

blissful heron
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i like it

next mesa
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Nothing

silk frost
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p-please

next mesa
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im just saying he doesnt know how to coach

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ok nvm

silk frost
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oh lol

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sorry

rare sluice
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would you want to coach an owl team

worn falcon
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lol

blissful heron
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no i suck lol masters is nothing

next mesa
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how is hotba's sigma

blissful heron
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i wanna go to school and stuff

silk frost
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I think Hotba is a good enough sigma

rare sluice
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what do you see most masters fail in

blissful heron
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uhhh

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lemme think

silk frost
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not a dominant one, but does his job

next mesa
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hmm

blissful heron
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consistent aiming

next mesa
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what is nyxl's problem

silk frost
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like you'd have Crong, Gargoyle, Void, and Choi as the best sigs

blissful heron
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aiming actually requres brainpower

next mesa
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their roster seem to have no weaknesses

rare sluice
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true

worn falcon
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Hotba is decent, but a side grade to mek0

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For me

blissful heron
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and masters players just kinda bot shoot at tanks for stats

next mesa
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side grade?

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like a downgrade?

true hound
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It’s ok meko is on the superior team

silk frost
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okay I have HEAVY disagreements that their roster has no weaknesses

true hound
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outluls

rare sluice
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true

blissful heron
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ignore the fucking stats and use your brain to generate picks as dps

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this is a dps problem

next mesa
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ok

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present arguments yesh yesh

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si si

rare sluice
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yeah understandable

worn falcon
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The monies and the experience in mixed roster

silk frost
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I think Jjonak isn't playing up to snuff

rare sluice
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dps always compare stats

worn falcon
next mesa
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hm

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jjonak?

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I haven't watched much

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of him

blissful heron
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i compare stats lol it's hard to avoid but do your best to ignore

silk frost
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he plays a very frag-based playstyle

next mesa
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yes well

silk frost
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not good for the current meta

blissful heron
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jjonak is playing like ass

next mesa
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he's fuckin jjonak

blissful heron
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imma be real

next mesa
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hm

silk frost
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he still plays like he's zen on ana and bap

blissful heron
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his mechanics have gotten worse

silk frost
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I don't even think that

blissful heron
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and his positioning was always bad

silk frost
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I think he's just less dominant than his surroundings

blissful heron
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but it just worked lol

next mesa
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yeah idk about his bap

silk frost
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like before he could get away with it, but now people actually know how to beat him

next mesa
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but his ana and zen were always pretty top tier doe

silk frost
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people can out-frag him and out-heal him

next mesa
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I see

silk frost
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I think only his zen is top

next mesa
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I think he has like

blissful heron
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s1 nyxl is just hard to explain

next mesa
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one of the most deaths on bap

blissful heron
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they were just good

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and due to that, the individuals are overrated

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besides sbb

next mesa
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ok what else

blissful heron
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sbb is fkin nuts

next mesa
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for weaknesses

silk frost
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no I think that back then, they WERE really that good when looking at the surroundings

rare sluice
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do you think shock would be unstoppable if they just played ans on widowmaker

blissful heron
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well

silk frost
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I think his ana is a big weaknesses

blissful heron
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on widow maps they are already dominant

next mesa
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like besides jjonak

silk frost
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oh Mano imo

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amano?

blissful heron
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on non widow maps they don't play ans

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MANO

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like his orisa?

rare sluice
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that makes sense

silk frost
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they wanna have an aggro playstyle and Mano isn't good for it

next mesa
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because his rein and winston or pretty top tier man

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hm

rare sluice
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but does ans play anything besides widow

worn falcon
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Mano orisa Is odd for me

silk frost
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I think his rein is really good, but not top

next mesa
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and ashe

silk frost
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his monkey is tob

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top*

true hound
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Mccree and Ashe p much

silk frost
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and his orisa is good

blissful heron
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can i give yall my nyxl speil?

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speel

silk frost
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sure

next mesa
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how

blissful heron
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however you spell

silk frost
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I'd love to hear it

next mesa
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is rein is totally top tier dawg

blissful heron
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imma shut up and type for a bit

silk frost
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that's okay

next mesa
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his*

silk frost
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I just don't really think his rein is all that insane

rare sluice
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im ready for this

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also is nyxl a good team

next mesa
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he was probably best main tank last season?

rare sluice
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because i only know sf shock and fusion

silk frost
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like he does a very good job, and maybe I'm just overrating other reins

worn falcon
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Mano top chimp and Rein, okay Orisa for me

silk frost
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ok best MT last year was probably Mano honestly, but that's just because he was so consistent

next mesa
#

@rare sluice they have a very stacked roster on paper but results have been disappointing

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yes

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that's a strength of his

worn falcon
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Dunno, I don't like much his Orisa, but may be my issues with the hero too

silk frost
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like if NYXL had fissure backing up Mano, I could see a replacement happen there

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because remember Fissure is still out there

worn falcon
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Fissure is too chimp and rein too

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Not good orisa

silk frost
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fissure is the aggressive mano

rare sluice
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who is the best team

worn falcon
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*top

next mesa
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could you say that fissure was bumper but with a brain

silk frost
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there isn't really a top team anywhere

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everyone is beating everyone

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no one can really be #1

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if I had to say then shock but that's just because shock

worn falcon
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Lhcloudy Is the bumper successor

silk frost
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LHCloudy is the western bumper

rare sluice
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whats great about shock

next mesa
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yes but he's on a shitty ass team

rare sluice
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who is the star player

next mesa
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@rare sluice everyone is star player

rare sluice
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cause i know super isnt the star player

silk frost
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ANS, Choi, and Viol2t mostly

next mesa
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they have no weaknesses

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striker's back broke in that paris match

worn falcon
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Super is top Rein

rare sluice
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Choi plays tank right

next mesa
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yes

silk frost
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super's a top rein

worn falcon
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Hogyobin

next mesa
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also top genji

blissful heron
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so basically they are playing a very western playstyle with a korean team known for bait and punish. as good as mano is, if language wasn't an issue and you subbed in hadi for mano they'd win a lot more games because he knows how to manage aggressive play. the issues right now are the tankline and support line for nyxl, trying to adapt to what they're being told. their dps might be the best in owl, but the tankline is like water and electricity and the support line is confused. keeping the dps (who all speak english besides haksal) and signing aggressive playstyle western tanks and supports may solve their issue

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done

next mesa
worn falcon
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OP

silk frost
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I'll take "takes I already knew" for 100

rare sluice
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Super is world cup champion stage 2 champion may melee tournament champion world star all star mvp runner up

blissful heron
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genji god

next mesa
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hadi?

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who the fuck is that no offense

silk frost
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so you want NYXL to go western?

rare sluice
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gyra thats what took 5 years to type

blissful heron
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yeah

next mesa
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no way nyxl goes western

blissful heron
#

no way they do

silk frost
#

Hadi is a western MT in EU contenders

blissful heron
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but it'd work

next mesa
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unless they dump their whole roster

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like titans

worn falcon
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I think nyxl is pretty lost in what to coach their players and giving them good pointers

silk frost
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what if Diya goes to Houston and Linkzr goes to your hypothetical NYXL?

worn falcon
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Instead trying a whole mess of strategies

silk frost
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with Hida

rare sluice
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does any of the teams need a widow main

blissful heron
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that would be good, but linkzr isn't sbb

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i would keep him

silk frost
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yeah but Linkzr, with proper coaching, could be better than SBB on non-tracer hitscan

worn falcon
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They keep sbb because his tracer, Sombra

blissful heron
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good point

worn falcon
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And... brig

next mesa
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they already have nenne

blissful heron
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but nenne is nuts too

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like i said

worn falcon
silk frost
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SBB is like Striker, if you took 20% of Striker's mechanics and put it into leadership

blissful heron
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their dps are the best in owl

silk frost
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but can Nenne comm?

blissful heron
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he speaks fluent english

next mesa
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Sbb is their comms

silk frost
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ok

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I legit just want Diya in the league

next mesa
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haksal can be their comms I think?

worn falcon
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Nenne is pretty flexible, sbb is more the grease for nyxl

silk frost
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he's so good

next mesa
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haksal brig is insane

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they dont need sbb brig

blissful heron
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since ta1yo is owl now

next mesa
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dont even know

blissful heron
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i can say

next mesa
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that sbb played brig

blissful heron
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best hitscan in tendies is diya

hot heart
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They signed ta1yo

worn falcon
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I was remembering the last season, sbb played brig

hot heart
next mesa
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makes sense

worn falcon
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Was slapped

hot heart
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Bro

worn falcon
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Goats brig tho

silk frost
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I was saying he was best hitscan in contenders since early this year ngl

hot heart
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Ta1yo is gonna slap

silk frost
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I think Diya may be the best PLAYER in contenders at this point

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hot take ^^^

blissful heron
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diya should be played over lip straight up

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lip has good aim

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and he gets a lot of space

worn falcon
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Diya was owl already iirc

blissful heron
#

but he's not necessarily better than diya

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diya has better aim and positioning

worn falcon
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Unless there is another Diya

silk frost
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no Diya is in OWL technically

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but he's on a 2-way with Shanghai

blissful heron
#

don't say owl

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say starter

silk frost
#

and no way he plays over Fleta, Diem, and Lip

blissful heron
#

he doesn't play over fleta he's not a flex dps

worn falcon
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Move Diya to... Chengdu

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Ez

silk frost
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don't ruin my boy

worn falcon
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Or Seoul

blissful heron
#

i'm just saying he should play WITH fleta

silk frost
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over Diem and Lip?

blissful heron
#

anyone notice how quiet lip went in the finals?

silk frost
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are you sure?

next mesa
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lip wasn't quiet

silk frost
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I mean when he came in they started winning and when he went out they lost

hot heart
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I wouldnt do that

next mesa
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wasn't diem's fault

blissful heron
#

it's not diem's fault

hot heart
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Lip and diem are so good

next mesa
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diem bodied happy on several occasions

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more like fleta's genji got cucked by eileen

silk frost
#

I just think Lip was slightly better than Diem in that series

blissful heron
#

they just play better with lip because he frontlines lol

next mesa
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perhaps

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better teamwork

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idk

blissful heron
#

once they get a pick they unbind s

next mesa
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Diem does have better widow doe

silk frost
#

ok here's a statement for you

next mesa
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ok

blissful heron
#

also shanghai is the only team that haven't incorporated chinese players into the lineup

next mesa
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what

blissful heron
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china is nearly as good as korea according to some

next mesa
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who else has

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besides

blissful heron
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only chinese team

next mesa
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chengdu and

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oh

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yeah I mean

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its whatever

silk frost
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Diya, 1987, Leave, Over, Molly, Yveltal, Elsa

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that roster SLAPS

blissful heron
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he speaks korean mind you, they just haven't tried to play him yet for i don't know why

next mesa
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who speaks korean

blissful heron
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in the offseason, if they work him into the lineup, they'd improve a lot

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diya

next mesa
#

well

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do they need to

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who does diya play

silk frost
#

anything hitscan I'm pretty sure

blissful heron
#

the whole hitscan class

silk frost
#

I know his cree, widow, and ashe are top tier for tendies

blissful heron
#

cree widow ashe tracer some doom stuff like that

next mesa
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but like

blissful heron
#

good sombra too

next mesa
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they do have lip and diem doe

silk frost
#

he has a good doom?

worn falcon
#

Also I forgot, do shd have a gengo specialist?

silk frost
#

Fleta is the closest they have

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and CC doesn't either I'm pretty sure

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maybe Spectra is good but I've never seen him play

worn falcon
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Charge? They have Eileen

blissful heron
#

Spectra is crazy

worn falcon
#

I feel sad for geguri tho

blissful heron
#

15 y/o gaming powerhouse

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Ya same

silk frost
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I feel like Hitscan is such a competitive role that every team has a good one

worn falcon
#

Dva/Zarya player not her meta

blissful heron
#

Her sig was good on stream

silk frost
#

I mean if I wanted to stretch, I could see Diya go to Titans, Glads, Houston, Chengdu, and Reign

next mesa
#

void better at dva?

blissful heron
#

But void's sig is crazy

next mesa
#

like in may melee

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void played dva

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right

silk frost
#

Void/Geguri is like Choi/Nevix of 2019

blissful heron
#

And shanghai's synergy is best in the league atm

next mesa
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along with fearless winston

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unless im dumb

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yes probably

blissful heron
#

What happened to nevix

next mesa
#

And it totally showed on junkertown

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uh

blissful heron
#

His sig is uh

next mesa
#

in defiant now I think?

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My memory poopoo

blissful heron
#

U don't get it

silk frost
#

Nevix was good but benched because Choi, now he's on Toronto and is alright

blissful heron
#

He is on defiant

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But his sig poopoo

next mesa
#

yes he is

silk frost
#

I think it was Crusty who made Nevix good on the bench lol

next mesa
#

more like choi was too godly

blissful heron
#

Choi is great don't get me wrong

silk frost
#

don't give Nevix too much flack, he did basically train up Choi to the legend he is on that hero

blissful heron
#

But nevix isn't that good on sig

#

That's like saying

silk frost
#

this is gonna tilt me I can feel it

blissful heron
#

Oh dude crusty made ans into a nutty hitscan maybe we should play crusty instead

next mesa
#

marve1 sig doe

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kinda nutty

silk frost
#

I am confused by that sentence

next mesa
#

yes same

silk frost
#

didn't Michelle play a good sig??

worn falcon
#

Ans was nutty before, but not so much experience with teams

next mesa
#

nonono

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marve1 best sig

silk frost
#

ok NOW it makes sense as a sentence

blissful heron
#

It joke

next mesa
#

by far

worn falcon
#

Meanwhile sayaplayer riding the bench

next mesa
#

in dynasty not in the league

silk frost
#

yeah we're at a point where SAYA is a bench player

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I am concerned for Diya

next mesa
#

like the reason why he was transitioned into off-tank

silk frost
#

destined to dominat etendies

blissful heron
#

Bqb is up there for best glowup in owl

next mesa
#

is because his sig was so nutty

silk frost
#

BqB and Benbest

next mesa
#

yes bqb most improved player

blissful heron
#

Benbest is #1 tho yea

silk frost
#

honestly I'm not sure

next mesa
#

I still think saya have better widow

silk frost
#

Benbest was still a starter, just an underwhelming one

#

BqB was horrendous on everything

blissful heron
#

His rein in goats was shit, i'll come out and say it

silk frost
#

and now he's clapping

blissful heron
#

But this weekend

worn falcon
#

Benbest needs to work on some stuff, he isn't bad

silk frost
#

I think Benbest was and is worse than BqB

worn falcon
#

But reckless

blissful heron
#

That was some of the best rein play i've seen in a while

silk frost
#

barely was, hugely now

#

team France is gonna clap in the next world cup

blissful heron
#

Who won na tho

#

The best french flex support is 4500 tho

worn falcon
#

Someday muma is gonna play again

#

As ball

silk frost
#

wait france has flex supports?

blissful heron
#

There's this one guy sauce

#

He's pretty good

#

Lots of potential

#

But not great for a world cup team that wants to make a run at the trophy

silk frost
#

if only Hyp didn't retire

blissful heron
#

Tru

silk frost
#

I mean last year they placed 4th

blissful heron
#

Hyp bodied alarm in a match one time as zen

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That was impressive

#

Also if houston had a good rein in goats

silk frost
#

and this year they're gonna have a hugely improved Benbest, Soon, FDGoD, and anything else they could want

blissful heron
#

They might have actually won something

silk frost
#

oh my god if Houston didn't have RAWKUS

#

fucking R A W K U S

blissful heron
#

Why is he in owl lol

silk frost
#

I think he's made improvements in 2020

blissful heron
#

I mean

true hound
#

he’s godlike

blissful heron
#

He could be a good zen player

silk frost
#

but holy shit that 2019 performance was a low

blissful heron
#

But that's all

silk frost
#

his Ana is good

#

that's all I have to say

blissful heron
#

His ana is fine

silk frost
#

nothing else

blissful heron
#

Zen good

silk frost
#

oh shit I can feel my hot take alarm going off

#

jk

true hound
#

Rawkus ints at the worst times

silk frost
#

his ana > his zen imo

#

he flanks like a MORON on zen, but on ana he doesn't some reason

#

as much

#

also the first time he EVER won a championship was 2019 world cup

#

where he was carried by the other 5 players

#

like holy shit that roster was nasty

blissful heron
#

Imagine if they signed zuppeh and chayne going into 2020

#

Houston

silk frost
#

oh my god

#

I forgot Zuppeh existed

blissful heron
#

He was good for florida

#

But now he's retired and washed

#

Sadge

silk frost
#

I thought he was the worst player?

blissful heron
#

There was no worst player

#

They were coached by mineral

silk frost
#

I mean CWoosH was the best

#

or Logix

blissful heron
#

That's all i have to say

silk frost
#

lol

blissful heron
#

Mineral makes people worse at the game

#

Trust me

silk frost
#

I trust you

blissful heron
#

Good

silk frost
#

I mean boston

blissful heron
#

Boston fan btw

silk frost
#

don't have to trust too much

blissful heron
#

Yeah sad season

#

Especially when byzenith exists and actually cares about the game

silk frost
#

honestly I'd rather be consistently beaten down and broken than what Houston has done

blissful heron
#

At least it's quick sadge

#

You were gonna beat dallas too

silk frost
#

don't

#

speak of it

#

we don't talk about that

blissful heron
#

Also why is rapel so bad

silk frost
#

he's not that bad

blissful heron
#

Jecse deserves better

silk frost
#

he's mediocre

blissful heron
#

He went from rjh to rapel

silk frost
#

I honestly think Houston to support coaches are like dallas tank coaches

#

they have no clue what to fucking DO

blissful heron
#

He charged coal at half the pace of crimzo

silk frost
#

I don't remember this

blissful heron
#

CRIMZO i tell you

silk frost
#

and I don't want to remember this

blissful heron
#

I watched the ult bars in pain when a fight broke down where coal would be really handy for houston

silk frost
#

they only have 3 coaches, I could see a pickup there and on flex heals

blissful heron
#

And rapel was at like 75

#

Their dps line is cracked

#

Credit to hooreg for unwashing jiri

silk frost
#

jiri?

blissful heron
#

Linkzr

silk frost
#

oh lol

blissful heron
#

His first name is jiri

silk frost
#

he put Linkzr in the dryer

#

and now he's unwashed

blissful heron
#

Good lather

#

Lol

sullen berry
#

Least he doesn't get almost permabenched

silk frost
#

honestly though do you think Nohill, 1987, and Over going to Houston could work?

sullen berry
#

Like we did with Spree on spree's row

silk frost
#

dude on Spree's row, he CLAPPED

blissful heron
#

You would have to drop the korean players

#

Its bad to have 3 languages

silk frost
#

would you though?

true hound
#

I heard dinkzr

silk frost
#

I mean Guangzhou and Philly made it work

blissful heron
#

Meko and jecse are cracked

#

Rapel sucks

true hound
#

linkzr is either nonexistent in the game or has his name plastered all over the killfeed

blissful heron
#

But they've committed to mixing in koreans

silk frost
#

I'd be surprised if 1987 didn't speak korean or english

true hound
#

huh rapel is fine

#

Anything is better than rawkus

blissful heron
#

It's not the team to mix in chinese players

#

True

#

But rapel is barely better

true hound
#

Like danteh is always good

blissful heron
#

His moira is particularly bad

true hound
#

Linkzr is either not there or absolutely nuts

#

and Blase is your local doom 1 trick

silk frost
#

Blase is all around solid ngl

blissful heron
#

Hydration doesn't provide as much space as say

#

Smurf

swift moth
#

who is 1987?

blissful heron
#

Blase is a great bench player

silk frost
#

team CC flex support in China

blissful heron
#

Model bench player

true hound
#

as long as they throw blase on one of his good heroes

#

He’ll do good

silk frost
#

I really rate blase

true hound
#

Please no blase hitscan

#

it’s scuffed

#

His doom is so good

silk frost
#

cmon just 1 more run of blascree

true hound
#

his genji is quite good as well

#

Those are his two heroes lul

sullen berry
#

It's also bad, truth be told, to integrate an all Korean roster midseason

blissful heron
#

Yeah lol

silk frost
#

top 5 doom, good pharah, good genji

sullen berry
#

Making it NA instead was even worse

blissful heron
#

washedington

sullen berry
#

Vancouver proper

silk frost
#

OH WHAT IF WASHINGTON PICKED UP THOSE PLAYERS

sullen berry
#

Vs Vancouver former

silk frost
#

OVER, 1987, AND DIYA

blissful heron
#

Vancouver impresses me

#

All things considered

true hound
#

1 word

#

Shockwave

sullen berry
#

Lol why would diya fearless or gegs leave Shanghai?

blissful heron
#

2 players on ping

silk frost
#

Shockwave is cracked

#

Diya never will get played on Shanghai

sullen berry
#

2 way play

silk frost
#

do you think he'll get it tho

sullen berry
#

But nonetheless will get his moment

silk frost
#

he's behind Diem and Lip

blissful heron
#

He should tho sadge

sullen berry
#

Soon™

#

Maybe they so a shock vs Uprising in their next match vs hunters

true hound
#

Who would he sub in for, subbing out Fleta is a crime

blissful heron
#

Lip

#

If they work on getting diya into the lineup

silk frost
#

what if Diya just came in and was suddenly somehow a godly genjij lol

blissful heron
#

The results would speak for themselves

sullen berry
#

Ah but it's the logical choice, he should be able to make things work like he did when subbed for anubis

silk frost
#

wait Diya was in on Anubis?

#

when

#

give me the vod

sullen berry
#

Seems like the contracts for all signed OWL players indicate they must play at least once

silk frost
#

give me NOW

sullen berry
#

2019

silk frost
#

...oh

#

...nevermind

blissful heron
#

Avast

silk frost
#

WAIT DOES THAT MEAN LULLSISH WILL SEE PLAY

blissful heron
#

Kekw

sullen berry
#

Pay me to get out of work early and I'll even throw in the Geguri vs Spitfire win on map 5

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... In 2019 too

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Geguri did play this year 🍷

silk frost
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I think I remember that

blissful heron
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Avast played 0 maps

sullen berry
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Wasn't great, but better than no show

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Snow played.

silk frost
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honestly the more I think about it, the more I like a lineup of Over/Jjanu/Diya/Stitch/1987/superich

blissful heron
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Huk thought main supports would be hard to come by

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So to be an ass

silk frost
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throw in a flex DPS

sullen berry
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Iddqd has the highest widow stats per 10 mins iirc with 0 deaths

blissful heron
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He signed 3

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Yep

silk frost
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wait when did he do that?

blissful heron
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Iddqd is forever a legend

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1 map

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On dorado

silk frost
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no the main support thing

sullen berry
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Yeah a shame the production of season 1 watchpoint tapered off during stage 4

silk frost
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I remember when IDDQD tore things appart

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that was unforgetable

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but 3 main supports?