the last time toronto made bank
#esports-discussion
sullen berry
not bad, you forgot the extra $5k for the atlanta match
balmy wolf
i just assumed it was even
sullen berry
same
balmy wolf
stupid why its not
balmy wolf
like outlaws justice get 5k but titans reign dont
sullen berry
they actually winded up with more money
for playing against chengdu at their worst
bad ping that night
china giving their own home team the L connecting from China to give another the W
least they weren't impacted by a fire, but they were not playing in ideal conditions
tropic herald
It’s just 5k more right
tropic herald
Envy
tropic herald
I don’t think it’s anything to do with the org
More that he’s envious of his old teammates
cloud latch
😔
next mesa
Old teammates?
sullen berry
Honestly if dallas figures out pandering to the community while also making optimal decisions with the team as a whole like we've seen glimmers of this season
Gonna start betting on Dallas becoming more prime to win the Countdown cup
balmy wolf
"glimmers"
you mean doha and decay breaking their backs to get to any form of win?
sullen berry
Doesn't need to be worded thag way, but sure
balmy wolf
its true
tropic herald
I think if the meta turns to dive Dallas would be in a good spot
sullen berry
The synergy kinda buckles somewhere between crimzo, doha and just the tank line in general. Nothing for certain but they can build on this elim
Just have to pull it together and work out to resign for next year
tropic herald
I feel like fuel should really consider revamping their tankline
feral zodiac
Might need to bring in a better support or two
feral zodiac
You can have more than two supports if we include the bench 
balmy wolf
they have 5 supports lol
balmy wolf
2 are bigger bench warmers than akm
tropic herald
They should drop some of their supports
feral zodiac
Dallas still have harry and akm?
hot onyx
Paintbrush and Crimzo aren’t bad players but owl is in a stage where unless every player on your starting lineup is a star player you’ve got almost no chance of getting a title under your hat
tropic herald
Actually basically all but Crimzo
feral zodiac
Why
balmy wolf
and trill
tropic herald
Wait is dallas’ roster full rn
balmy wolf
probably
feral zodiac
So basically they're keeping envy players
sullen berry
I just believe dallas does not know how to negotiate player trades and then build on them... remember rascal wasn't terrible if the system around him wasn't going to work out
tropic herald
Yep it’s full
feral zodiac
So many players they need to let go
raw ermine
Unkoe, AKM, Harryhook, Trill
tropic herald
Yes Dallas has good pieces but like half of the roster is dead weight
feral zodiac
It's like the Shanghai bench 
true hound
dallas is 1/2 ow players and 1/2 valorant players
balmy wolf
They would also be a team that loses to chengdu
@feral zodiac So any team
bc any team can lose to chengdu
viral veldt
When does owl come back?
true hound
next week
sullen berry
https://twitter.com/Saints_OW/status/1279872866486571009 I spot a Yeatle 
raw ermine
yeah
raw ermine
yesterday a million teams announce their rosters
feral zodiac
Any big twitch names in the rosters?
raw ermine
Kssarplays
feral zodiac
Ohh
sullen berry
just follow the ow contenders community twitter
over.gg also does a good job of tracking player movements
raw ermine
or go to liquipedia
balmy wolf
^
sullen berry
may melee got little outside coverage
summer showdown even less
overwatch league social circles just can't do a good job being relevant to other esports scenes
so long as overwatch is still such a pain to play to the audience that can still appreciate a good genji blade
also I miss having active dray in this channel
tropic herald
Ediesty 
true hound
people are taken by surprise cause genji hasnt been strong in a very long time
also they think any genji player = braindead ult bot
tropic herald
OWL players say it’s not Genji making it bad but because of Genji plus Orisa
true hound
i mean some are but thats if youre a loser
tropic herald
Where you’re just playing Genji goats
feral zodiac
Because now people think genji is 1vs6
true hound
ye lmao
blades take setup and ability tracking
when you have to slash two times close quarters you take a fuck ton of hits
plus genji is still very glassy
next mesa
genji is only getting so much value because of halt and brig
tropic herald
A lot of the blades are also happy with just forcing cooldowns and ultimates
true hound
yeah
feral zodiac
Legit people on twitter were going hurrr durrr nerf genji he can 1vs6 owl teams
tropic herald
That doesn’t change the fact that his ult rate is still absurd
feral zodiac
True
true hound
but blizz forum-esque opinions dont exist
i mean depends
Jel brought up a good point saying that Brig armor lets him be so aggro
now without it i can see blade not being farmed as quick
tropic herald
They made his neutral strong and now his ult is insanely busted
true hound
even still i do think it needs a bit of a tone down, but we'll see
next mesa
his ult is definitely not insanely busted
feral zodiac
Rally still exists
sullen berry
@next mesa I think it's how regular the intervals are - GOATS was slow but maybe something inside new viewers have only just realised how to play passively and do it right for the ult economy
true hound
not insanely busted, but i think its strength lies in its speed to charge and how many cooldowns it forces out
next mesa
fury+alarm cucked like half of sparkle's blades
true hound
if youre patient with the blade you would get nuked and force out lots of abilities
yeah
nanoblade is a different story however
i can see why people are mad cause of the hard nanoblade farming, its pretty ez to win fights with
true hound
nah im saying in ladder
next mesa
mmmmmmmm
true hound
farming nanoblade hard every 30 seconds is a gg
top that with a good neutral game allowing you to contest positions and take 1v1s
its kinda naisu
next mesa
since when do you farm blade and nano every 30 seconds
true hound
exaggeration
feral zodiac
Also
true hound
yk what i mean its fast
feral zodiac
That's putting everything into two ultimates
And sacrificing a better support for ana
true hound
yeah i guess so
feral zodiac
Genji with rally armour + orisa pull > nano blade
next mesa
i mean rally kinda cucks nanoblade ngl
true hound
but i can def see it being strong in ladder cause not everyone can coordinate nuking the nanoblade
next mesa
yes
true hound
i mean its always been strong in ladder but now its faster
owl i dont see it
they run double shield for days
next mesa
ngl I have 5 minutes on orisa and I carried my team on hollywood
I was like fuck it ima play orisa
feral zodiac
The reason orisa is picked and they barely nerfed it :/
true hound
oh bruh
sullen berry
so now what happened to the shock vs eternal semis? Did people kick a fuss during the match or because the match was postponed following up on a technical incident before their match?
next mesa
they should reduce radius
true hound
8 second cd for mini grav with large radius
and combo potential with literally everything
feral zodiac
No lol, obiwan
next mesa
what
true hound
nah the pause didnt make the round restart
feral zodiac
Happened twice to shock
next mesa
thats unlooky
feral zodiac
So now people are like hmmm cheating yes
true hound
i meaaan
balmy wolf
we are joking
true hound
yt chat is pretty dumb
feral zodiac
Every time sp9rkle gets blade "Crusty pull the plug"
viral veldt
Have y'all seen sparkle rage compilations?
feral zodiac
Yep
next mesa
cant wait for plat chat
I bet the title is gonna be some shit like
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
viral veldt
I don't understand what he's saying but it's funny af
forest raven
"SPARKLE BEST"
tawdry hamlet
God league this weekend was so fucking goood
Can't believe Paris pulled that off
Especially over fusion not just shock
Carpe was playing insane I thought fusion had it
ok so who would you guys say is like the Lebron James of Overwatch League, like the no contest best player in the league
balmy wolf
i think it also shows alot about shock that they took the clear best team in this meta to 5 whilst running an inferior comp
true hound
yeah this showdown was nuts
the 2 paris matches were just absolutely crazy
both extremely close with clutch plays and sick genji play
tawdry hamlet
I wasn't able to catch the last few maps of shock v Paris, was there any big reason Paris won like shock had someone out? Or a worse team or what
Or did Paris just actually win
raw ermine
Paris won normally
tawdry hamlet
That's dopee
raw ermine
unless they planned to play moth but he was sick cause they played twilight
but i don't think that's the case
tawdry hamlet
I hope this tournament is a sign that defiant is going to be getting better
Idk I think they may have gotten lucky a little tho
raw ermine
I was worried about the LAV game cause of them having 2 players out but the ATL game was much more convincing
tawdry hamlet
They're playing good but idk if their play was as good as others
tropic herald
I think defiant is better than they were but they still are just middle of the pack
plush grail
raw ermine
new roster?
next mesa
no info
barren copper
damn paris clutch
tropic herald
Twitter
next mesa
yay
why is shock recruiting players doe
like I dont think they need anyone
genji specialist? lmao
next mesa
his back fuckin broke
damn
super actually contacted
crusty
yo put me in ima play genji
balmy wolf
Q. What is the team doing during the break?
A. I just want them to not play Valorant… our team is screwed.
next mesa
Q. The secret to Striker’s insane Tracer performance, which almost beat out the Genji meta?
A. He eats all three meals really well, look at his tummy — Tracer performance correlates directly with weight class. The bigger you get the better you aim. Striker eats McDonalds all the time so right now he’s in good shape. I looked at him and I think wow we don’t even need a Genji
holy shit
raw ermine
Aww
next mesa
im boutta get myself some mickey dees
next mesa
hahaha
balmy wolf
. Can you do something about Super talking so much
A. He’s American and this is US culture, I’d like people to understand that. A lot of non-Korean players are jokey on stream, and Korean fans sometimes don’t understand. A lot of Korean fans criticize non-Korean players based on their own standards, like if you see what popular streamers like xQc say, it’s probably difficult to understand how they talk like that from a Korean POV. And sometimes things just need to stay on stream but people drag it off-stream and criticize it. There’s no end if you clip and drag out what famous streamers and players have said in jest. Super’s entire persona on-stream is kind of a narcissist. But if this irked you guys, I’m sorry, please try to understand. I’m close with Paris NineK and all those members. Even if I go to Super and say “Super, Koreans don’t like it when you say these things,” I don’t think Super is going to change. Super’s stream viewers are mostly NA people anyway, and if I’m to explain Korean culture to Super I have to start with the foundational stuff like Confucianism, and I really don’t think I can do that.
long
next mesa
A. ANS still lacks experience. Today, when Xzi flanked to the back and got kills — that kind of play comes from experience.
I think xzi's dick is just big I mean they are both rookies
although ans didn't play much contenders
next mesa
Q. Did you watch the Shanghai match? How did it feel, as a Shock team coach who is disadvantaged when it comes to Genjis?
A. Wow Shanghai’s Genji is good
forest raven
Xzi was on EM for a long while
next mesa
Is that sarcasm I cant tell
raw ermine
Q. You said you’d change teams after three titles, you meant three Grand Final wins right?
A. Oop.
next mesa
because fleta got cucked
raw ermine
This is cryptic
balmy wolf
Q. What do you think about Striker’s Genji, 100% winrate in OWL?
A. Striker’s Genji is a secret weapon. This is a card that Striker uses when he really is confident in something, but I don’t know when he’ll use it.
next mesa
there is a real possibility that we see super's genji
forest raven
Everyone on shock is very banterous
worn falcon
Twitter
next mesa
yeah crusty said we're screwed a lot of times
who is a good pick
what spots are not covered on their team
genji/doom?
balmy wolf
Q. The secret to Striker’s insane Tracer performance, which almost beat out the Genji meta?
A. He eats all three meals really well, look at his tummy — Tracer performance correlates directly with weight class. The bigger you get the better you aim. Striker eats McDonalds all the time so right now he’s in good shape. I looked at him and I think wow we don’t even need a Genji.
LOL
next mesa
yes sent that
worn falcon
A. Moth is a great Brig. But every player plays Brig differently, Brig needs to make split-second decisions and shotcall — I started out using Rascal and then I felt that Twilight was better, so I used Twilight. ```yh everyone malding cause Xzi picked him off everytime
balmy wolf
` Q. Who is Sinatraa
A. Rascal: (pops in) Let me just say this. I really did not get to practice Genji much for this tournament. For real. `
thats who sinatraa is guys
next mesa
why are people even questioning twilight arguably the best fuckin flex support
raw ermine
Q. What was your worst “I’m so fucked” moment?
A. Overwatch World Cup
true hound
despite Xzi knowing to pick him off cause Twighlight could be their win condition with rally
next mesa
wdym routed
raw ermine
Q. If you had to take one Shock player to a deserted island? A. Hmm I’d take Striker, and tie him up with a rope. Then when wild animals come and try to eat him, I’ll hunt them down.
next mesa
Q. What do you think is the reason NYXl got routed?
A. Routed…? I don’t know about that. All the teams know what the best compositions are, we know Genji is the best. But maybe it didn’t work in scrims.
I dont get this question
swept?
true hound
im guessing by routed they mean defeated
makes sense considering they have 2 of the best genji players
next mesa
thats true
Q. What meta do you miss the most, as coach?
A. When we made finals with Orisa-Sigma
bruh what does this mean
orisa sigma is still meta
balmy wolf
Q. Pick a rival coach on another team
A. I lost to NineK so now it’s NineK.
worn falcon
A. We didn’t have a practice room either so we barely see each other outside of meals. Striker likes McDonalds so he doesn’t even come out for meals. It’s hard to see people. ```damn striker
next mesa
Q. Could you beat Guangzhou right now?
A. How could you compare a 4th place team (Shock) with a 1st place team (Charge)? They’re the best team in the world right now… Shock would totally lose, Eileen’s the best Chinese Genji. Without Genji, though? We could take Guangzhou and we could take Paris.
worn falcon
someone gib striker good burgers pls
next mesa
I think this is really interesting crusty thinks charge is best team
wait he didn't really specify
true hound
ayy jehong
balmy wolf
Q. How does it feel to watch Valorant-Sinatraa, and Architect on Hangzhou?
A. Valorant Sinatraa? Ah… be happy… (sigh)
worn falcon
A. I didn’t like GOATS. And also when we played Rein-Zarya-Doomfist-McCree. ```pls
goats was nice
:(
forest raven
I imagine he didn't like goats because goats was the most in depth meta in the game's history
tropic herald
next mesa
Q. Super likes Libero a lot, why is that?
A. Uh… I think we need to respect and understand everyone. I don’t know if Super likes Libero as a player or romantically, but I respect his choices and I support their relationship.
tropic herald
I know he’s joking but man Crusty says he hates Striker a lot
balmy wolf
Q. Would you go to another team for double the pay?
A. Hm… Call me ^^
Q. Can you rank the top 5 OWL teams?
A. Shock is definitely Number 4. Guangzhou and Paris are first.
tropic herald
Towards the bottom he starts to say it a lot lol
forest raven
I wonder if dva will get serious playtime for countdown cup
true hound
ttuba best genji
forest raven
Would let choi fuck on his comfort pick
true hound
o-o
balmy wolf
crusty says he hates everyone tbh
next mesa
Q. Rascal plays a lot of Valorant, please whoop him
A. Hm… Rascal has been playing a lot of Jett. I told him to practice Mei, and he said I’d rather punch the wall playing Sage than punch the wall playing Mei. So… yeah.
lmfaoooooo
@forest raven fr I hope so as well
worn falcon
A. GOATS? Striker Zarya, Rascal Brig… that’s just despair```Q. Best Genji?
A. First place? Ttuba. Second place I’ll give to Architect.
I hope hes joking
next mesa
Q. Do you think ANS has a chance at ROTY?
A. No chance, it’s gonna be Sp9rk1e. Honestly do you think a player who hides in the back shooting guns is going to get that? It’s gonna be Real Man Genji Ttuba or Sp9rk1e
lmfaooooo
balmy wolf
he really rates ttuba
next mesa
but like ngl I think the chances of sparkle getting roty is slim just because of how late he joined the season
even though he is performing very well and up to standards
the hype I mean
worn falcon
A. Uh… I think we need to respect and understand everyone. I don’t know if Super likes Libero as a player or romantically, but I respect his choices and I support their relationship. ```feels like there could be a lot of roty contenders
worn falcon
damn Super
balmy wolf
we are all just resending these now
next mesa
tbh alarm and ans have more of a chance I feel like
balmy wolf
lets stop lol
forest raven
Super and his hubby 
next mesa
yeah
tropic herald
next mesa
u sent that
tropic herald
This interview is gold
balmy wolf
all already sent
tropic herald
Wait
balmy wolf
lol
next mesa
Q. If Genji meta continues, would you train Rascal or would you buy a new player, and if so, who?
A. Ttuba.
really ttuba
tropic herald
He literally says he’s the best Genji
worn falcon
i think he sees more potential on TTuba
true hound
but hes also a coach for Shock so i guess it has merit
worn falcon
from a point of coaching
balmy wolf
we are all resending stuff thats been sent
lets just stop
repeating ourselves
lmao
forest raven
I lost
forest raven
balmy wolf
tbh worst roster they've had in owwc
true hound
idk that looks kinda fresh
balmy wolf
was the worst roster sk has had
forest raven
3-1'd SK 
next mesa
how is that bad roster
balmy wolf
France also beat sk
forest raven
No SK beat France
next mesa
ok yes they probably should've went for better supports
forest raven
Oh right yeah
raw ermine
they played twice
balmy wolf
France won 2-1
raw ermine
1 win each
true hound
idk man across the years its been pretty stacked
next mesa
if jehong on roster = best
forest raven
2016 the rosters were made by fan vote
balmy wolf
That was the best they could've done for 2016
Their roster last year wasnt even near the best they could've made
next mesa
crusty said he didnt choose twilight because he wasnt doing good in scrims
what was the best that they could've made
balmy wolf
twilight didnt get it for doing bad, he said he was more passive than bdosin and idk was more aggressive
next mesa
. Twilight is good. A lot of people bring up the fact that I didn’t pick him for OWWC last year, and if I’m being honest, it was because he didn’t do well in scrims. If he had done, I would have picked him. I didn’t want to say he was bad in scrims, so I tried to say he didn’t fit my coaching style, and that landed badly. But now that I’ve met him in person he’s really smart about the game and he’s a good shotcaller too.
i see
next mesa
crusty
hidden vault
Wasn't he the best coach?
earnest leaf
he's definetly a top 3 coach
blissful wadi
Him and Paris coach
hidden vault
I guess the blame is on SK players then
forest raven
He's been shock's coach since stage 4 season 1
earnest leaf
for OWWC I think team USA just practiced more than anyone
next mesa
this year korea will win man
earnest leaf
They also had a super stacked roster (rawkus was ok)
silk frost
Crusty #1
Rush #2
Packing10 #3
earnest leaf
Q. How is Super’s Genji?
A. Super actually contacted me all the way up to the night before the Summer Showdown, saying he’s really practiced Genji and he wants to play. But I didn’t have the confidence to play a main tank as a flex DPS, and also I’d never used him in scrims. If I let Super play Genji, please assume he did well in scrims. If we lose, you can blame me.
raw ermine
Kuki is a top coach
next mesa
who
silk frost
I think he's good but not top
like I think the only TOP coaches are Crusty and Rush
Packing10, Moon (maybe), Kuki, maybe even SNT are great
but Crusty and Rush are on another leve
level
raw ermine
agape is head
raw ermine
The have Agape, Twinkl, Pavane, and SNT on coaching
next mesa
is aero bribing owl
silk frost
I agree
flat pivot
is 
feral zodiac
Where can I find the montage they were playing during the summer showdown
next mesa
it says this tweet is unavailable
raw ermine
next mesa
ohhh
oh shit
that screenshot was actually epic
that moment
I deadass thought sparkle was gonna kill eqo
forest raven
Overwatch is such a cinematic game
next mesa
that was a good tournament man
forest raven
Overwatch is an anime
worn falcon
fuck shock, Chengdu redemption when
forest raven
Never
next mesa
never
forest raven
Their pepega is innate
tawdry hamlet
anyone get their tokens for the second and third days of watching yet. I only got my first day tokens 
worn falcon
i have 300 tokens, i need at least 100 more if they realase 2 skins again
tawdry hamlet
I know you get them hourly but I stopped getting them after the first day so I only have 25
tawdry hamlet
it was still worth watching though because NA kicked ass
surprised shanghai lost as well
next mesa
haksal genji = instant win
tropic herald
eileen noises
tropic herald
Crong throwing blind rocks and still hitting them
forest raven
Remember when crong threw that rock in gibby server room and knocked sombra out of invis
Man is cracked
Out of his fucking mind
tropic herald
Remember when he rocked hotba out of flux through the window on Lijiang gardens
tropic herald
Haven’t watched the game yet
tropic herald
I can’t think of a role on NY that’s definitely better than a role on Charge in this meta
Charge is just the better team rn
next mesa
same @forest raven
tropic herald
MT overall
forest raven
MT only looks as good as the team is as a whole
tropic herald
But in this Orisa meta I’d rather have rio
forest raven
Ye probs
tropic herald
He’s been playing tons of Genji on ladder
At somepoint he had a 100 wr over multiple days
tropic herald
We have tons of ow
forest raven
Yeah
next mesa
lmao blizzard world
forest raven
Like four more weeks and then the entirety of playoffs
tropic herald
Honestly the Justice games are the some I’m looking most forwards to now
forest raven
If Shock doesn't win the Countdown Cup, that's when I'll start worrying about the team
worn falcon
@tropic herald pls dont support Justice, i want them to win
forest raven
pepelaugh
forest raven
It's a while away
worn falcon
till august we could get like 2 patches between
tropic herald
We would get one probably
next mesa
- it takes 2 weeks to implement a patch in owl
next mesa
we will get the brig nerfs and dva buffs
I think the dva buffs will be huge for dive but brig nerfs mmmmmmmmmm idk
forest raven
idk how much it'll affect what teams play, but I really hope d.va is strong enough for choi to play her
And just ROLL kids
tropic herald
Are we late enough in the season where certain teams are barred from the playoffs
I think realistically Boston and Chengdu are our
forest raven
I think with the unique circumstances playoffs might initially involve every team
tropic herald
They haven’t confirmed how the playoffs will go
next mesa
bruh if dive comes back dragons literally unstoppable
forest raven
Also how APAC and NA will work together
tropic herald
I wonder if they pull a Showdown type thing for each division
next mesa
void dva + fearless winston 😳
tropic herald
Then they bring all the top teams to one place for a Gauntlet esc playoff
What’s it normally 6 playoff spots 6 play in spots?
raw ermine
Who do you think would do the best in 2018 dive RN?
next mesa
dragons
tropic herald
I believe teams like Dragons Justice Florida Dallas Philly NY Guangzhou would all get bigger boosts from a dive meta
pale roost
true hound
bruh shock exists
balmy wolf
kinda dumb question but like why don't pro teams just 6 stack ranked ? they could on a alt so people don't know it's them...
feral zodiac
They can't
next mesa
who is shock's monkey player
balmy wolf
wdym ?
feral zodiac
GM players can only two stack
balmy wolf
you can't 6 stack in gm ?
true hound
nope
balmy wolf
damn
true hound
Removed it a while ago
feral zodiac
Because before
tropic herald
Also 6stacking in GM is cringe
balmy wolf
That's kinda odd even tho i understand
next mesa
there was one time where fitzy just basically played nyxl
feral zodiac
There would be carpe jjonak striker stacks
next mesa
it was epic
tropic herald
Anything more than a duo sucks
tropic herald
Imagine being west coast and having to worry about an owl three stack
tropic herald
Or be on East coast and run into one of the meme stacks
worn falcon
agile pewter
everyones top 500 and then there’s Mano
next mesa
yeah thats what I meant by
there was one time where fitzy just basically played nyxl
haha
wintry kraken
@agile pewter that is probably only because he is doing placements 😄
agile pewter
yeah Ik
harsh tulip
if dallas didnt go against paris they couldve done pretty well
tropic herald
Yeah if any other team picked Dallas they would’ve at least made it somewhere
silk frost
florida?
wheat niche
join esports discussions to discuss esports
earnest leaf
forest raven
Pog
opaque ginkgo
This is a yikes for boston
earnest leaf
shock about to roll out with the super genji
forest raven
viral veldt
I wonder why philly doesn't have match
They looked pretty sad after there match so I'm gunna assume they don't feel like playing rn
feral zodiac
Can we get an F for the team the entire nyxl roster queued against
balmy wolf
@vagrant jacinth we have charge and dragons
silver lining is we have spark too
shock about to roll out with the super genji
genji basically guaranteed to be banned
vagrant jacinth
Two tough matches. Spark match will be an exciting one
opaque ginkgo
Genji ban is shock destroy everyone
viral veldt
How y'all think Paris will do after being Nerf?
earnest leaf
back to mid tier imo
feral zodiac
Probably still a top team
next mesa
If reign manages to win a match I can see them turning their season around
earnest leaf
reign is one of the most overrated teams imo
tropic herald
Is it power ranking time
earnest leaf
they can beat bad teams but can't do anything vs a team with any sense of skill
Power rankings is dumb rn imo
next mesa
@earnest leaf they have been big fucking disappointments
earnest leaf
Since this next patch will be pretty changing of what people currently run
tropic herald
Atlanta are legitimately gatekeepers if shit tier
next mesa
I'm pretty sure beginning of season they were touted as potential title contenders
tropic herald
Well look at Atlanta roster
earnest leaf
Like I gurantee if shock faced paris right after the new patch game out, they would 3-0 stomp them again
tropic herald
What makes you believe Atlanta should be this bad just looking at their roster
next mesa
Their roster is stacked
earnest leaf
Atlanta had a good stint end of last season, then were way overhyped
feral zodiac
Depends, we don't know what they'll do with brig in owl after the armour changes
tropic herald
This@makes me want to look at a power ranking from pre season
earnest leaf
brig miiiight be played, but not with tracer ashe again
And yea zen might be opted for more often
Genji takes a big hit from this since armor was part of the reason he could be enabled so heavily in the meta comps
tropic herald
Lol
forest raven
Moth said he'd most likely be playing more mercy with the brig nerfs
forest raven
Mhm
tropic herald
Also are bans out yet?
forest raven
forest raven
Basically looking for a new sinatraa
earnest leaf
Covering the sinatraa/architect role of heroes
yea
And preferably western said crusty
earnest leaf
So maybe he's mixing up some new comps to run with moth/super
forest raven
Who
earnest leaf
shock should sign seagull
tropic herald
I’m thinking of Reyzr
tropic herald
Then again there’s probably other people
earnest leaf
from what it seems, shock is working on a budget, but not a salary cap
tropic herald
Nero to Shock 👀
earnest leaf
so the open trials are probably to find cheap talent
tropic herald
Yeah, it’s definitely shock wanting to find a diamond in the rough
Just like they did with ANS
earnest leaf
Imagine some ladder rando gets picked up and just pops off
forest raven
I mean that's jjonak
earnest leaf
feral zodiac
Seoul in the pre season power rankings 💪
Seoul now 🥔
tropic herald
New York getting put 2nd
earnest leaf
Roster that looks nasty on paper but drops their pasta
tropic herald
So first off all
forest raven
Seoul Spitfire
tropic herald
Just because you have talent doesn’t make your team good
I think Toronto learned that well
feral zodiac
Flame did you miss the last few toronto games
tropic herald
I also think before Numlocked was signed nobody was a shotcaller or actively comming
feral zodiac
They've seriously started pulling their weight
tropic herald
And then got bodied by fusion
earnest leaf
They were being carried by the meta
agilities is a nasty gengu
gengu meta
Doesn't mean they haven't dropped their pasta all season long
sly fog
Surefour and Logix I think have both stated their not the most vocal of players. Numlocked definitely brings the vocal shotcalling
feral zodiac
Mr logix would like a word
raw ermine
Yeah him and kruise work well as shotcallers
true hound
thank you mr logix
feral zodiac
tropic herald
Just realized Shanghai have 20 wins
feral zodiac
Insane
feral zodiac
No lol
forest raven
True
tropic herald
Shanghai win 6 more games and they would have won double the wins in one season compared to their whol franchise
Wait
Well technically
feral zodiac
I didn't follow that at all
feral zodiac
Damn that 40 game loss streak
tropic herald
13 wins before this season
feral zodiac
I still remember when it was broken
raw ermine
yeah
feral zodiac
Good times
feral zodiac
Old owl 
tropic herald
They can’t get 26 wins this season unless They have more weeks going on past 29
raw ermine
if you count preseason its like 44
tropic herald
Sadge
forest raven
Chorg
feral zodiac
Chorg
feral zodiac
tropic herald
👍
hot heart
feral zodiac
Ravioli bringing out the wall 
sly fog
I think Sp9rkle is the Formuoli. His genji is darker than Eileens imo but Charge has better overall team I think
sly fog
I wanna believe that bc I’m a Justice fan 
balmy wolf
I wanna get into ow league but idk which team to support
forest raven
Any players you like?
agile pewter
if you like watching a team stomp bottom 5 teams and get crushed by anyone with a better record than them, then Atlanta is perfect
primal minnow
Ratlanta
worn falcon
@earnest leaf the only thing can make happy to Crusty is if shock buys TTuba
earnest leaf
ttuba genji op
sly fog
Ttuba op til Genji no longer meta. Then ttuba not as good probably. Sadman.jpeg. I just want the justice to not suck
next mesa
tbh jokes aside @true hound I cant see necros being worse than some of the owl genjis
but he cant play doom
but then again I dont think there's a hero that rascal can't play if you just give him a weekend 
raw ermine
It would piss off everyone again
next mesa
this is just hypothetical it's not gonna happen
next mesa
but like, necros is a really really good genji man
next mesa
imagine sticking with a f tier hero for 2 years just one tricking him
that's some dedication
tulip shore
Whoever it was saying mercy would be good in the genji meta I see their point
As well as Res the healing can make it a lot harder to die to a blade and she is one of the only supports that can potentially escape a blade
And damage boost of course
hot heart
Why would you need her healing if you have a lamp or a armour pack
And shes extremely squishy
So she would be trash
sullen berry
Genji will still die to big burst damage e.g.charging rein - immortality is hard to give up you know
This covers genji on both ends of the damage he’d take against brawl and dive comps focused on targeting him
How else does sp9rk1e or eileen never die first
digital cloud
sp9rk1e is just good
vague flax
what is lamp
sullen berry
Same applies in general for the main tanks of any team that prioritises building ult economy
Lamp is Baptiste’s immortality field. Theres other names, but lamp is more efficient for shorter comms
vague flax
oh thanks
tulip shore
Mercy would be instead of brig not bap
I can't see her being that great in practice but she makes sense
hot heart
Alright
viral veldt
That clip made me laugh to much°
sullen berry
What else sparkled, and it doesn't come as a shock, is how great these tournaments have been. They have been fun all month; the anticipation and drama they build only helps the league.
Luckily, it seems that they've taken a page from the Call of Duty League (CDL) structure and are doing a modified copypasta for Overwatch League. It will only make the league more palatable to more people
Emily Rand's pun game is dripping in this article, and unfortunately I agree with the CDL name drop
upper niche
in practice I don't mind what they're doing with the 3 weeks of matches then a playoffs thing - but all they've done is bought back stages by another name, and the balancing of who plays who needs some serious work.
serene bay
can someone tell me why i still haven't gotten my owl tokens? i've watched about 12 hours this week and last week :/
tulip shore
Is there league actually on?
feral zodiac
No
sullen berry
@limber pine alright if Eileen could absolutely pop off on Genji I still believe Jerry for rookie of the year could still be a thing
Superseded by Cr0ng now
But you never know with the Countdown cuppa
limber pine
Alarm?
hidden vault
sparkle
sullen berry
Definitely a good shortlist available from xzi, alarm, Cr0ng, sp9rk1e, shockwave, Yaki, gangnamjin, ANS, LIP, Leejaegon, Lastro
sullen berry
@balmy wolf why not although
balmy wolf
why not both
and babel
and bernar
if shockwave is on there
lots of spitfire players could be
sullen berry
Nothing against the spits, just haven't looked into their players as much and like spark should be poised to make a comeback this time
I'm not actually sure who is capable of winning the Denis Havelka award during these online times
tropic herald
Gamsu?
karmic grotto
olive owl
fucking tired about not getting tokens after watching whole weekend streamings
not only 1 weekend but now 2 without getting a single damn token
195/200 yet because this crap system
karmic grotto
You have to test that there isn't anything blocking it
Like extensions or
Cookies setting
karmic grotto
I have no issues with it on Firefox and Chrome
next mesa
Jerry on a shit team not gonna win roty
shockwave and sparkle joined later in the season so I don't think they're gonna win roty eituer
balmy wolf
it wouldn't be fair for shockwave or sp9rk1e to get it
bc then it wouldnt be rookie of the year
vagrant jacinth
Cr0ng, ans, babel, xzi, lastro, in no particular order, are probs my top 5 candidates
cloud latch
ww
balmy wolf
not lastro
feral zodiac
Cr0ng for rookie of the year
raw ermine
No Alarm mention?
balmy wolf
alarm over lastro 100%
limber pine
i love lastro, but alarm has him beat 100% of the time
vagrant jacinth
There's a lot of players that you can easily make an argument for, it's a close race
next mesa
Alarm is DEFINITELY top 5 man
feral zodiac
Oh damn
limber pine
outside of a more damage heavy zen, alarm has been the better player.
raw ermine
alarm is the best bap by far
balmy wolf
@limber pine where can i find these stats
raw ermine
what're his brig stats?
worn falcon
i think those are from the stats lab
limber pine
raw ermine
statistically
feral zodiac
Is he masters yet @worn falcon
worn falcon
@feral zodiac He is on Pugs
feral zodiac
Ohhh
worn falcon
RJH, Seominsoo, Pumper
feral zodiac
Ryujehong
worn falcon
i feel i know Kaliosfrom somewhere
feral zodiac
I recognise PYJ
viral veldt
Who are they?
worn falcon
Ex OWL players
viral veldt
Ty
limber pine
@next mesa I was comparing alarm to lastro. I didn't say he was the best overall bap
raw ermine
yeah
next mesa
you're wrong
next mesa
jehong vs runner 😳
worn falcon
maybe retired
raw ermine
ok so alarm is a worse brig fair enough
limber pine
true, but lastro has far less playtime
raw ermine
I guess thats why LAV struggled against the defiant
limber pine
no phi runs double flex support
next mesa
did they run boombox bap
limber pine
yah
Lastro has like >70 min on brig because rain plays it
actually
they both have about the same amount of playtime
tropic herald
@worn falcon they’ve been running those pugs for a few days and they are super entertaining
next mesa
@tropic herald is it on twitch
worn falcon
@tropic herald They playing goats
tropic herald
Yes
next mesa
ok I gotta see this
tropic herald
When I was watching earlier it was
tropic herald
3-3 v 1-3-2
next mesa
jehong stan
tropic herald
But it wasn’t even goats that was being ran with 3-3
next mesa
now it is
worn falcon
Jehong is getting rolled tho
next mesa
wait nvm
tropic herald
Earlier it was Jehongs team winning
next mesa
sigma orisa rein lol
worn falcon
new goats
next mesa
triple shield 
worn falcon
Mei
tropic herald
They ran Winston Ball Zarya On Lijiang and got rolled by the Kalios Pharah
tropic herald
I don’t recognize some of the players though
worn falcon
most of them are from contendies korea, at least when runaway was up
tropic herald
Wait is 우햘
Is that Woohyal
I don’t think I speeled that right
마딱뿌직새 and ParkYoungJin are the two I have no idea who they are
raw ermine
tropic herald
The rest are bunch of Korean Contenders players that I recognize
next mesa
bumper 
worn falcon
Park Youngjin is from SHD @tropic herald